Counseling?
- The Lodge has been made aware that Commanders have been advised to compile a list of officers who have the lowest activity in the district. These officers are then being made the subject of a formal counseling session.
The first question that an officer should pose to the supervisor conducting the counseling session should be, "Would you please tell me what criteria was used to cause me to be counseled?" The counseling session should be ended with the question, "What criterion has been established that I need to meet in order not to be counseled in the future?"
Several members who have already received a Performance Evaluation that is in the "meets" or "exceeds" expectations categories have now been included in this new counseling process.
Any member who has received a "meets" or "exceeds" rating on the annual Performance Evaluation and now has been counseled for low activity should contact the Lodge.
This is the brain-fart of Downtown Ernie Brown. Someone must have neglected to tell him that the Department spent hundreds of thousands, maybe even a few million developing a Performance Evaluation System that's been online for around a year now. You can see all your stats that are wrongly entered by the front office. You can wonder where they came up with the insane CR's-to-Arrest ratios that puts all sorts of coppers "in the red." And counseling people who already "meet" or "exceed" an arbitrary standard that still isn't written down anywhere - well, the Department is just begging for lawsuits.
Yes, you read that correctly - there is NO standard written down anywhere. No list of duties, police actions, target numbers or anything. The entire rating system is just an electronic version of the joke we stopped using almost 10 years ago. A popularity contest. Nothing more.
And since it's been in use for a year now, the Department is no doubt going to find some poor schlub to make an example of by firing them for "lack of activity" which has never had an established standard to judge everyone against. We've got a feeling they're going to make someone extremely wealthy at some point.
Yes, you read that correctly - there is NO standard written down anywhere. No list of duties, police actions, target numbers or anything. The entire rating system is just an electronic version of the joke we stopped using almost 10 years ago. A popularity contest. Nothing more.
And since it's been in use for a year now, the Department is no doubt going to find some poor schlub to make an example of by firing them for "lack of activity" which has never had an established standard to judge everyone against. We've got a feeling they're going to make someone extremely wealthy at some point.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
68 Comments:
I've had it with people that show up do nothing all day then laugh about a check off. They stay down on jobs for hours so others get stuck covering their beats. Then come clear and ask for lunch when they get another. So its about time somebody give the dogs a kick in the rear.
Last man out of his bed gets ten lashes....and the beatings will continue until morale improves.
Someone is always going to be last!
Asshats!
So we are dealing with human beings and a bill of rights and now they are encouraging us to manufacture crime and stats envolving citizens with rights, just to please some number cruncher looking for a merit promotion.
The performance evaluation system is a complete joke. Our own supervisors laugh at it. Several have told us that they would love to rate us "above expectations" because we fit that catagory, but they have to rate us "meets expectations" because the commander was told there can only be a certain percentage in each catagory. So now there is a quota on a quota. A certain desk Sgt. rated the desk crew "above expectations" because they do there jobs well. They all got kicked back and the Sgt. was told to make some "meets expectations." Doesn't mattter how well you do your job you will still be "quota normed." Only on the CPD. Sad.
Damn straight!
What a bunch of crap. It's time for me to get out the video camera to help you guys out without sacrificing safety, etc.
Ahhhh, Micro-mismanagement at it's very best.
Hello CPD? You CANNOT expect peace officers to do the fucking work of 4+ people at once, ok? We all know that they're backlogged. They're not mules!!!!!!!
Time to flood the FOP lines people...
SCC, please unbunch your panties!
According to the guidelines offered when they offered instruction to supervisors on this latest attempt to establish rating standards, we were informed that it would take 3 years of unacceptable ratings in order to get someone fired using this new system. My best guess is that ANYONE who could manage to receive 3 straight years of unacceptable ratings will be no younger than 53 years old, and will have no less than 23 years of service in the dept! So don't sweat the dumb stuff. EB will likely be the next Supt. within the next few years as Dumb-Dumb Daley figures out a way to gracefully toss J-Fled under a Red Line train. EB will then leave the job of Deputy Supt of Patrol to someone with a much better grasp of what the job really entails. Maybe he'll even re-install Dugan there...as long as he promises not to return as a micromanager. Oh, and if you're fortunate enough to rejoin the exempt ranks, Danny boy, don't ever use that insulting 'you're warriors' speech on us again, you political hack.
Performance ratings mean nothing ! I recall being told many times that since I wasn't on the Sgt. List I was gonna lose points to be given to those on the list to boost their standing. This occured in the old days before all the "Merit Promotions" became the method of promoting the "chosen ones".
Oh oh pick me pick me
Doubt they will fire using the "edsel" of a standard, they just dumb it down and phase it out, never admitting what a faux pas it's been, and believe me us supervisors hate it too!
I'll take five mil tax free in a Swiss bank account of my choosing. Good bye dirty ass Chicago.
Reminds me of a time my evaluating Sgt. said, "It doesn't mean anything" go ahead & sign it. My reply, if it means nothing give me a 100. Needless to say I refused to sign. More arcane nonsense in their feeble minded attempt to be legit.
Pick me!!!! Pleeeeease!!!!
I'm aching to get outta this city and a few extra bucks will gladly help out!
According to the evaluation system I've never written a mover or parker but I did 47 search warrants last month.
This system is absolutely a popularity contest. There's a guy on our watch that is such an idiot. He does nothing out there, dodges every job he can and this is the honest truth - HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO FILL OUT COMPLAINTS! He works a beat car and has about 7 years on. This guy got rave reviews b/c he's buddy buddy with the bosses. Mean while, a guy that actually knows the job, brings in a lot of arrests, and works hard gets a lower eval than the idiot.
It's all popularity. It sucks.
I hear that downtown eb is doing a rain dance for this weekend. Bud Billiken is coming. Don't forget all of the after parade juke parties on the south and west side. Didn't j-fled say we were supposed to shut all of those down? I guess that's another zero on my performance evaluation.
Fuck them... While on a tact team my cr-to-arrest ratio was always in the grn and I still was warned that I get too many cr's.
In my opinion some officers do need counseling and have to be asked if they're sure they want to be the police.
Will officers who are counseled have the courage to file a greviance? Sometimes they talk but do not follow through with a greviance. I hope and pray they files greviances against a subjective and confusing system. Expose the lies.
I've had it with people that show up do nothing all day then laugh about a check off. They stay down on jobs for hours so others get stuck covering their beats. Then come clear and ask for lunch when they get another. So its about time somebody give the dogs a kick in the rear.
Or how about when the next watch starts and you have several cars go down right out of roll call. Either they are "down on reports" or getting the desk crew their coffee.
Where are the freakin Sgts when this happens?
If you are on this list and you get counseled, does that affect your next employee performance evaluation?
Having been thru this activity thing 5-6 times over the last 20 years... Its easier to just write a few tickets for 2 periods and then all is forgotton for another few years!!!
it should be the commanders get counseled not the troops-FLOP stand up or incur the rath
FOP WTF
....we were informed that it would take 3 years of unacceptable ratings in order to get someone fired using this new system.
Ok. But aren't we rated in several categories? I know one copper who received meets or exceeds expectations in all catagories except one, and that was reliability. He was told that he had been on the medical too many times that year.
So what happens if on the next eval, he improves his medical time but goes down in another catagory? He now has 2 years of being labled unacceptable?
And when you are labled as being unacceptable in a catagory, as I underdstand it, they are supposed to give you one year to get your act together before imposing any type of punishment.
According to the evaluation system I've never written a mover or parker but I did 47 search warrants last month.
YOU SLUG! LOL!
In 024 the D.C. told the watch commander on days that 4 out of the 10 for the district HAD to come from 2nd watch.
Out of all personel on days, all 4 that were picked fell into one catagory: M/2 with less than 20 years on.
The best thing the City did was get rid of the evaluation system. A complete waste of time. So, of course, they bring it back! You are either an ethical person or not. Counseling will not change that and the lawyers are sharpening their knives for their first assault on this.
That being said: if you get in trouble with this system, you are truly a dog and you know it. So stop beefing here with people that do their job.
In my opinion some officers do need counseling and have to be asked if they're sure they want to be the police.
Well you can take your opinion and shove it up your ass.
You are either a 2 year wonder or a merit promotion hack.
cooter said.Sounds like the BIS program.And you know how mark and sid helped out those officers...They fucked it up and no one signed anything.So the FOP will do nothing just like they did for the other officers.They sold us out and they will sell you out.
OT....ben jorvasky details beatcop shortage in the reader.
IF THE BOTTOM TEN R A BIG DEAL WHAT ABOUT THE TOP TEN?
DO THE TOP TEN GET WHATEVER SPOT THEY WANT?
DO THE TOP TEN GET PUT IN FOR MERIT DICK/SGT?
DO THE TOP TEN GET THE BEST CAR?
ALL U EXEMPTS HAVE NO MANAGEMENT SKILLS TO SPEAK OF.
THE CARROT AND THE STICK LOOK IT UP.
AND DOES A SGT REALLY WANT TO BE THE GUY SIGNING THESE THINGS AND PUTTING HIS HOUSE ON THE LINE.
BECAUSE I CAN BET U MY HOUSE IF I WAS ON THE BOTTOM 10 I COULD FIND 20 OTHER PEOPLE WITH NO STATS, MEDICAL ABUSE, AND NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO WRITE A CASE REPORT.
I have to say when EB was in OCD he tried to change the evaluation system to fit his needs and stated people will be transfered out if productivity dose not improve and it's his way or the highway. Once a call was placed regarding law suits to Management and Labor affairs and the FOP it all went away . He tried to tell everyone senority don't count also and he can do what he wants. Well he's gone from OCD and no-one was transfered and the threat of dozens and I mean dozens of law suits changed many commanders minds. My prediction is this promotion is just a stepping stone for King Shortshanks to dump Ernie all together at the end of the year someone has to take the blame for the Agg. Batts and Murders and when you have multiable Agg. Battery's and Murders on ONE scene someone has to take a hit and won't be J-Fled since the King agreed to that super secret consent decree from the justice dept. and all the Feds running the dept.
I say fire the "poor schlub" if he is such a dog and keep off the bottom. It's that asshole who forces me to handle twice as many jobs.
Fuck you Schlub!!!!!
In the present CPD - as de-policed as it can be - the 10 worst performers SHOULD be fired.
I DONT GENERATE ANY REVENUE FOR THIS SHIT HOLE BUT I DO MY JOB.
GO AHEAD AND COUNSEL ME.
KMA
I/F
Anonymous said...
In my opinion some officers do need counseling and have to be asked if they're sure they want to be the police.
8/12/2010 02:21:00 AM
Another stand up officer. I want to be the police. One job at a time as a 10-99 unit. Lunch, gas, personals and the day is done. What is your complaint young man?
Eh, why not?
We're quite sure that W/C's, District Commanders, Deputy Chiefs, Chiefs, Asst. Superintendents would just LOVE to have a copper moving into THEIR former houses and sporting cars and new toys purchased with funds that USED TO BELONG to the above named people.
Why there isn't an exempt revolt is a mystery to us!
Is there ANYONE ELSE seeing where this nonsense is potentially heading?
franken-fed, masters(x3), brust, daley, klimas, o'keefe and others we're unable to name right now will be in the wind, counting their stolen money and laughing their asses off while this Department is destroying itself from the inside out and tied up in litigation from this idiocy for several generations to come.
If this doesn't have "divide and conquer" written all over it, we don't know what does!
We think shortshanks is angling for a complete do over of law enforcement in Chicago as we know it.
Coppers being disciplined and terminated for failing to meet an intentionally arbitrary, constantly moving and capricious performance standard yet in the same breath some are being told they're performing adequately?
Supervisors and bosses being 1983'd for being the agents of implementation for these standards?
(No indemnification or immunity for a 1983 beef except perhaps for FEDS!)
Why not just cut the bullshit and once and for ALL institute a fair, unslanted and easily administered standard?
"No movers this week but you had a bunch of involved and deeply fucked up incidents that you were the paper car on"
"Low activity on your beat this period but you did get sucked into another sector a lot"
And so on?
And so on...
This has potential to be beyond ugly. No one at or near the top is willing to step in and say "Wait just a muthafuckin' minute."
It's all fun and games to some people as long as only street coppers get hurt. They have no rights that anyone of note in the current regime is compelled by law or human decency to respect but as we pointed out, the only winners will be shorty and the feeb carpet-baggers.
Open your eyes!
you can work in GEU and only have 30 arrest for the year, and possibly be box one or two on only 5 of those which are misdemeanors.. this place is a joke. 30 arrest in 8 1/2 months. wtf...
In my opinion some officers do need counseling and have to be asked if they're sure they want to be the police.
8/12/2010 02:21:00 AM
In my opinion you should shove your opinion up your ass.
Is that the same EB who was recorded on ERI. . . .instructing a murder Offender to tell the Detectives how the whole thing was in self-defense? Oh yeah, it is. Didn't help.
Anonymous said...
I've had it with people that show up do nothing all day then laugh about a check off. They stay down on jobs for hours so others get stuck covering their beats. Then come clear and ask for lunch when they get another. So its about time somebody give the dogs a kick in the rear.
8/12/2010 12:18:00 AM
Ok hard charger go get em! woof! Woof! I will be retiring soon, with my pension,def comp,no cr's,not going to jail! And you hair gel? how's those cr numbers? you in call back yet? getting sued?
Article in the Scum Times today said that parkers written by CPD are down %12. Funny how this stat's timing coincides perfectly with this new "counseling" bull shit. The article also states that the drop in parkers correlates with the police hiring slowdown that leaves 2,230 officers short on the street every day. So the point? Hire more police!!!!
why would anyone working the desk give a fuck what their performance rating was?
It's a district bell curve. So if one copper is writing 100 movers a month, in short you should have about 35-50 a month. Please remember that the idiots that came up with this are civillians and not p.o.'s.
"You can see all your stats that are wrongly entered by the front office."
I looked at contact cards alone. I'm on cards of subjects that I NEVER ENCOUNTERED. Clearly someone misread the star number and voila! I've made a street stop!
The next thing they'll try is "average time down on a job" or something, but since there's no established "recommended" or "maximum" time to spend on a particular type of job, those numbers will also mean nothing.
"In my opinion some officers do need counseling and have to be asked if they're sure they want to be the police."
Is he talking about the Policy Group?
Oh no, wait. They ARE the police.
Damn, I make myself laugh!
So you just fill the judical system, burden the jail system and cost the city revenue. Yeah...you are below expectations!
According to the evaluation system I've never written a mover or parker but I did 47 search warrants last month.
In my opinion some officers do need counseling and have to be asked if they're sure they want to be the police.
You forgot sgts, lts, capts and other members of the command staff.
"Don't worry kid, it's all legit".
This hasn't changed in the history of the CPD.
How about all the incompetents on the job? Either they are dumb and borderline retarded or just play dumb to get out of work, -or- maybe they are pretty smart because of the playing dumb so that they get out of work and the Sgt allows it because the SGt is either too dumb to realize that the person is playing dumb and is just lazy and that the merit SGt is just dumb and possibly borderline retarded. Which is it?
jus axin
Yes, you read that correctly - there is NO standard written down anywhere. No list of duties, police actions, target numbers or anything.
If true, then the "counseling session" is actually a thinly-veiled political weapon, as the term counseling in the context it is being used in has a strong-arm tactic feel. Also, I don't think "counseling" is an appropriate word to use. Review would be more appropriate in this particular instance. "Counseling" is traditionally a psychological term, which can give the appearance of mental status issues.
Really stupid. Hope they don't give this guy too much power and control, because he obviously doesn't know how to handle it.
---not a cop
"In my opinion some officers do need counseling and have to be asked if they're sure they want to be the police.
8/12/2010 02:21:00 AM"
you are no longer allowed to be the police, no matter how much you sincerely want to be.
didn't you get the memo?
This job has truly gone to hell. I am just going through the motions, I am KMA but not yet eligible for free insurance. Soon, soon. Away from the likes of weis and daley.
I never imagined we would be "led" by such scum.
All I know is that if my name appears on a list of non-performers,and there is no clear definition of performance. I will obtain an outside attorney and make the city pay for defaming my good name.
You goofs are wacko- you need counseling.
According to the evaluation system I've never written a mover or parker but I did 47 search warrants last month.
How lucky we are to have you.
Is that the same EB who was recorded on ERI. . . .instructing a murder Offender to tell the Detectives how the whole thing was in self-defense? Oh yeah, it is. Didn't help.
Yep thats the one and the same. Glad you brought that up. Forgot about that story. Dept covered that up for EB also.
Wait a f'n minute. When Cuello was head of patrol, her only and bright idea to deter crime before the city council was to put a camera on the wagon. And the idiots are going to counsel me on how to be the police? Not!!!
In 024 the D.C. told the watch commander on days that 4 out of the 10 for the district HAD to come from 2nd watch.
Out of all personel on days, all 4 that were picked fell into one catagory: M/2 with less than 20 years on.
8/12/2010 07:21:00 AM
\I don't believe it. The DC would be handed his head if this was true.
Wow, I guess their head is so far up their ass they'll never see day light...........
HOW BOUT A REAL LEADER... not one that runs at the sound of gunfire, or thats a frigin puppet for insanity........
There I just saved the idiots a ton of money... at least they could pickup the first dozen rounds for me and my friends.
Anonymous said...
In my opinion some officers do need counseling and have to be asked if they're sure they want to be the police.
You forgot sgts, lts, capts and other members of the command staff.
8/12/2010 02:19:00 PM
Yes, what about the Sgt.'s Lt's etc. no one ever reviews them ever. Many should not even be the police, but since they have clout they are above the rest. Maybe the problem lies within the poor leaders.
Anonymous said...
"You can see all your stats that are wrongly entered by the front office."
I looked at contact cards alone. I'm on cards of subjects that I NEVER ENCOUNTERED. Clearly someone misread the star number and voila! I've made a street stop!
8/12/2010 12:27:00 PM
All the data is entered by humans and "human error" is revelant. Any average lawyer could pick this apart. Put the human on the stand and ask them, "is it's possible that data could be entered incorrectly or not entered at all by accident?" The answer is YES! Our sec. tells us if she can't read the stuff she does not enter it and shreds it. When dealing with humans there can be no quotas.
I've had it with people that show up do nothing all day then laugh about a check off. They stay down on jobs for hours so others get stuck covering their beats. Then come clear and ask for lunch when they get another. So its about time somebody give the dogs a kick in the rear.
written by a supervisor that did nothing probably, the problem with this dept. vs. the old dept. no one stands together anymore. Po's getting cr's on ea. other, snitches, etc. it's a joke.
Bosses doing what ever they feel, going against our contract, no one to back up the po anymore. its a joke
Danny boy, don't ever use that insulting 'you're warriors' speech on us again, you political hack.
If he was political, MORON, he would still be in his old position. Wow duh
The term "counseling" means absolutely nothing! It has zero meaning. But for the ones that are "counseled" I would get an event #(they love em) and document the time and everything else. Then if anything happens hire a lawyer and have fun. Most don't have the clout to have cush house mouse spots or foot posts where they don't do a damm thing, so how can they tell some they are at the bottom when others are below the bottom.
Rumor has it that lt joey g as the acting w/c in 019 days ordered 3 officers written up and then after those 3 were done, changed his mind and wants two more officers written up with a "forgetta bout one of the 1st to be written, he gets a pass this time" What a mush, lets get the beefs and grievances goin. lol'
personal vendetta little big man???
Housemouse gossip or facts???
I'm tired of hearing the voices that seemingly want to protect and stick up up for POs who don't or refuse to work. They should have some damn pride in the their job and some sense of duty. I appreciate the old-timers and what they've been through on the job, but they're still here, they're still alive and the're still getting paid, so they should be doing something to earn that paycheck. I certainly don't expect them to be hoppin' fences to get the dope boys, but there are plenty of other ways to "meet expectation." How about someone sticks up for the working coppers who get screwed by our own brethren who are lazy as dogs?
According to the evaluation system I've never written a mover or parker but I did 47 search warrants last month.
How lucky we are to have you.
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Sorry, I'll spell it out for you. The data was wrong. Who has never written a mover or parker, or done 47 search warrants in one month? The point was how obviously wrong the data was.
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