Something Like This?
- THE COMBINED EFFORTS OF THE BALTIMORE CITY firefighter and police union locals have just unveiled the first part of a multi-media ad campaign designed to inform the citizens about city council’s treatment of the pension plans. One of the busiest intersections in the city is now in view of a billboard that claims that the mayor and city council have “turned their backs” on the firefighters and police officers.
Here's a shot of the billboard:
The next big battle is going to be over pension legislation. It's coming and it isn't going to be pretty. Unless the FOP (and CFD) define the battlefield, Shortshanks is going to do it for us, and as any decent general will tell you, you don't want to fight on the ground of your enemy's choosing. Daley on the defensive would be an excellent start.
The next big battle is going to be over pension legislation. It's coming and it isn't going to be pretty. Unless the FOP (and CFD) define the battlefield, Shortshanks is going to do it for us, and as any decent general will tell you, you don't want to fight on the ground of your enemy's choosing. Daley on the defensive would be an excellent start.
Labels: FOP, pension, we got nothing
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
62 Comments:
We know the "FLOP" would never want to piss off the "evil midget". Where can we send $$ to put up a few billboards of our own ??>>
If our FOP were truthful in a billboard advertisement, it'd read:
"A Number Of Us Have Been Bought By Our Mayor With The Promise Of Lucrative Jobs After Our Stints At The FOP"
What say YOU, Mark Donahue? (unintended rhyme).
Donahue is termed out. He fishing for a new job
Anonymous said...
OT, but interesting. Fox's Mark Saxenmeir did a story on a CSA on the southside on King Drive. The victim was 18yoa, but has a mental capacity of a child. gang raped by several boys and men who all stood in line waiting for their turn. Several offender's left used condoms at the scene. One guy was taken into custody, but was released because he stated he was there waiting for his turn, but got tired of waiting. His mother goes on tv to defend this thug ass rapist. Mom say her son did not participate in anything. "The girl went into the basement on her own. Who knows what she wanted." When the son was asked if there was something wrong with the girl he stated yes, she is slow. He knew she was slow, yet he stood in the long line of rapist, but then stated that she wanted it. UFB!!! The mother is no better. Quick to defend his wrong doing. A good samaritian who was also in this basement during the assault lead the girl 2blks from scene and called police. Prosecution is not likely because of the victim's mental capacity and ability to ID all offenders in the dark basement.
8/03/2010 05:31:00 PM
If this were in any county other the crook county these animals would be prosecuted. Other real counties would see how serious this is and work hard to make sure justice is served and the message is sent. In crook county the ASA's fear the offenders. Now these animals have tasted the "crime pays" taste of chicago crook county and will go on to commit more crimes with out fear. SAD.
Awesome! If all the city unions banded together then shanks and the fifty thieves would have a major problem.
Don't let Daley or the FOP silence Mike Shields.
PENSION REFORM = changeing the rules in the middle of the game.
- pay more in
- retire later
- collect less
We got scamed by the polititions who basically stole from us.
We will not enjoy the popular support of the citizens in this fight.
Dark days are ahead.
This really scares me. I have 2yrs left and wonder will I have to work until I am 70 after I leave here because there is no pension left or they cut my payout in 1/2?
Better cash that retro check fast the city is runnung out of money.
Pension, what pension the city is broke and looking for money fast. Da Mayor has his eyes on our fund and is going to come after it just watch.
A two tiered pension is inevitable on a long enough time frame so we need to get something in return now. I say for starters drop the retirement to 25 years of service if over 55 years of age and the free healthcare. More money is always nice, this is going to happen so for us under the current contract we must fight for benefits in return.
FOP wouldnt do anything that wouldnt get the Daley nod of approval. We get what we get because we dont stick together.
To many scared coppers. I for one am sickened and fed up. We will lose our pension so those who dont want to work will be taken care of.
I have asked Donahue how to quit the FOP. No answer. They will not back you.
We get what we get because we are not united. 5 more years.
Giuliani 017
I stood up at several FOP meetings and told the Board that we MUST hire a Public Relation guy who will go on the OFFENSIVE...Our PR guy could show up at the Mayors news conference with a bullhorn and yell out our position...freedom of speech...everybody else does it...why NOT US!!!!!!!
wouldn't it be nice if OUR FOP had some balls?
Here's a link I saved about the pensions. Not about the Po Po but interesting.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2010/03/illinois-house-passes-major-pension-reforms.html
WE SHOUULD HAVE THOSE SIGNS HERE, BUT WITH DALY, OBAMMO, AND DONAHOE'S NAME ON IT...
june 2013 city workers who retire will pay full cost for health insurance
age to retire will be raised to 55
no more free health insurance for officers that retire at age 55
no more 3% cola at age 55 , officers will have to wait until age 60 unless officers were born before 1955
good luck to officers with less than 10 years
maybe donahue should stop censoring mike shields articles in the flop news letter! Shields is the only guy willing to go to bat for us. He stands up to the city and this is the treatment our union gives him??? We all know a billboard like this will NEVER happen here in shitcago as long as donahue and his people are in power. That entire crew is in bed with shortshanks and we all know it! Bella, Aguilar, Donahue, Davis etc etc THANKS FOR NOTHING!
If I'm not mistaken its only a few thousan to rent a board like that. What's that a couple bucks per P O. If anyone knows how to go about doing it ill trow a few bucks in.
Let me know where to send a donation...we need this kind of press as well.
Also...how about Mauer for Mayor...he would clean house.
The democrates are just laying in the weeds, using Quinn as their front man, hoping to win office in the fall, and then drop the hammer on the taxpayer. This same tactic is being used in Washington. Look out taxpayer, look out civil servant. It is coming.
Daley gone would be best case scenario.
Think it's time Chicago Police Officers had a voice in City Hall? Then let's get Michael Carroll elected Alderman of the 46th Ward.
http://www.carroll46.com/
http://www.carroll46.blogspot.com/
Michael needs your support, both on election day and with your check book. $10, $20' $100 bucks.... Every cent will help Michael win a race he is already favored in. Helen Shiller is not runninng any longer, which gets us even closer to finally having a pro-police Alderman in City Hall. Let's stand up as one and get Michael elected in the 46th Ward.
FOP FOP BUELLER BUELLER????? oh right MASTERS MASTERS MASTERS. I can't wait for the new elections coming out for the FOP.... Finally true CHANGE will come to Chicago!!
If fop wants to do this I am in for $100.00 How about it mark, or is that lobbist job daley promised you as you get your $128,000 a year pension helping to to keep quiet?
it would be nice to join forces,stay safe brothers and sisters, from a chicago firefighter.
the bad thing is THE PUBLIC doesnt have our backs. we are the only ones applying pressure. they will screw us and say'' we are following the wishes of the general public''. a couple of options. we cant strike but we sure can boycott things. the cityworkers on the far southside should buy all items in indiana. gas/food/big tv s etc. #2 bus people down to springfield and rock the capital. #3 the ''silent group'' that supports the police needs to become extremely vocal! the pols/media tools are deflecting the blame onto us. time to put blame where it belongs. i agree that some double and triple dippers pension are way out of line. change them first before you attack our meager pensions.
What remains to be seen whether or not the Urban Crusaders w/less than 10 years on the job will forgo an m4 cleaning session or 4hour gym workout & actually become involved in the Pension Issues ?
Where's the discussion of the mess going on in 15?
The Pension? Earliest it can be bankrupt is 2018-- my guess is 2022.
Did anyone ever bother to ask what happened to the advisors who bought cds, cmbs, cmo and the rest of the derivatives that probably cost the pension fund close to 100 million-- ?
Do you really think that in 2020 or so a mostly minority city will tax itself in the hole to pay off a bunch of mostly old white retired policemen/firemen?
old retired guy
our FOP is to worried about giving their membership a picnic. would never do something like this!
If anyone is interested in putting up signs on billboards or pace bus stops (Cause the CTA will never let us put up a sign on a CTA one) LET ME KNOW. I have been making calls to a few places who do the billboard and bus stop signs. I was looking into it for certain judges that are up for retention and should NOT be retained. But this would be another great cause. They run from about 400 to 1,000 a month for one billboard. Yard signs are alittle cheaper about 200 250 bucks for a humdredemail me at CPD4Judge@yahoo.com
It should like Baltimore Police and Fire could retire after 20 years of Service even if they were only
41 YEARS OLD.
That would be enough to bankrupt any pension fund.
Anonymous on 8-4-10 06:42AM said,
"I have 2 years left and wonder will I have to work until I am 70 after I leave here because there is no pension left or they cut my pay in 1/2?
Do you have any idea how many senior citizens are working today?
My husband is 75 and continues to work full time, because he has to. No physical disabilities, no pain or illness can stop him from going to work daily. I am totally disabled and cannot work, or you can be damn sure I would be out there working in some capacity.
It is hell to work in pain daily and then come home to recooperate sufficiently, in order to get up the next day and begin another day of debilitating pain.
It comes with aging and illness, and we are not complaining. Just understand that you may very well have to continue working past so-called retirement age.
Life is full of admustments. Be prepared to make them.
And vote out these damn socialists who plan to make our lives a real living hell...think Cuba, Venezuela, England.
Give conservatives/Republicans an opportunity to govern...you know how socialism, obama-style, has been workin' out for ya.
Donahue is a "Clinker" on daleys ass !!!!
Will we ever get "Honesty & Integrity" from our Union Leadership ? They're all just giving "Lip Service" as per daleys wishes.
Teachers now have a two-tiered pension. You guys are next. CTU and FOP should be working together. If we don't get to the kids first, you guys get them on your end.
Awesome! If all the city unions banded together then shanks and the fifty thieves would have a major problem.
You won't because time and again you guys MF other unions. ME ME ME
With the federal law that takes away 75% of any social security benefits that we have earned, now they are looking to cut the pension. So much for the windfall that Rostenkowski used to limit benefits ( just before he went to jail). The windfall act also effects survivor benefits. I wonder if the politicos will cut aldermen and judges pensions?
Don't ever think that the F.O.P. is here to help you. I subscribe to the F.O.P. Current updates. I just checked my E-Mail and the F.O.P. current update is there answering Shields complaints. I had no idea what that was about? I just returned to work from furlough and asked around about the retro checks. I wanted to know when the deadline for the deferred comp payment from the check was. I was told that it was in June and if you wanted direct deposit it was in July. Nice to know that they can't use the update to tell us that but can use it to defend their bullshit!!!!!!!!! Thanks again F.O.P. (Fuckin ONEWAY Pricks).
Lets Do It!!!
I have a buddy who is a pension consultant to some of the biggest public pensions in the U.S. He says when the $hit hits the fan the underfunding issue will make the mortgage crisis look mild.
If you add it up across the country he says we're talking about shortages of of hundreds of billions of dollars, may a trillion or more. No one really knows. He says when the taxpayers get socked with tax hikes to cover pensions it will be a taxpayer vs. public employee mentality as most people don't have pensions anymore.
I asked for a study or article. If he finds something online, I'll post it.
Speaking of the pension, has anyone seen any sign of the Annual Report of the Pension Board? It is usually out by July or so, but so far nothing, at least not in the mail to those of us on pension. I know most of you merely glance at it, and then cast it aside, but there is some interesting material in it, and it is required by law.
And vote out these damn socialists who plan to make our lives a real living hell...think Cuba, Venezuela, England.
You need to go back to school you know nothing.
Timothy Geither with the support of President Obama, Requested Congress provide a bill that will provide funding relief for employees that have a defined benefit pension so that they do not go under. Rep Earl Pomeroy a Dem, from N-D provide such a bill.
The Republicans refuse to let it come to a vote- One bill is HR3936 yet there are 3 others the Obama Administration also has in the works to help the Pensions so we receive our pension as promised. trying to make the Republicans respond to the working man is difficult, Also Talk radio is against helping pensions they say its not good for business. I guess help is only for the wealthy. To bad so sad for them workers they should have saved more money.
As of today the republicans refuse to let these bills come forward.
A two tiered pension is inevitable on a long enough time frame so we need to get something in return now. I say for starters drop the retirement to 25 years of service if over 55 years of age and the free healthcare. More money is always nice, this is going to happen so for us under the current contract we must fight for benefits in return.
this is so true. it is the biggest carrot the city has ever held in front of us and we dont even know it. our non-forward thinking union idiots dont recognize an opportunity when its right in front of them.
I'm retired, but If there's a collection for some publicity... "I'M IN!"
This really scares me. I have 2yrs left and wonder will I have to work until I am 70 after I leave here because there is no pension left or they cut my payout in 1/2?
8/04/2010 06:42:00 AM
I have 20 yrs left to work. I am a little bit more scared than you.
Anonymous said...
Don't ever think that the F.O.P. is here to help you. I subscribe to the F.O.P. Current updates. I just checked my E-Mail and the F.O.P. current update is there answering Shields complaints. I had no idea what that was about? I just returned to work from furlough and asked around about the retro checks. I wanted to know when the deadline for the deferred comp payment from the check was. I was told that it was in June and if you wanted direct deposit it was in July. Nice to know that they can't use the update to tell us that but can use it to defend their bullshit!!!!!!!!! Thanks again F.O.P. (Fuckin ONEWAY Pricks).
8/04/2010 03:51:00 PM
Didn't you call Nationwide, the Deferred Comp people to find out about this? Or the finance division? I guess not, did you just sit around wondering when FOP will inform you? I called finance and Nationwide and I found out because I made it my business to find out plenty early.
How do you know when to wipe your ass? Do you wait for a Current Updates to tell you?
Honest to christ, some people sit and do nothing but complain that FOP doesn't notify them to do this or that or the other.
Reminds me of the inhabitants of Cabrini who expect the 'guvment to do everything for them and then they complain when they learn they must participate in running their own lives.
God helps those who help themselves. I depend on myself. Then I have only myself to blame if something fucks up. Jesus, grow up.
Anonymous said...
If fop wants to do this I am in for $100.00 How about it mark, or is that lobbist job daley promised you as you get your $128,000 a year pension helping to to keep quiet?
8/04/2010 10:13:00 AM
FOP president's pension is based on his highest rank, not FOP President. That would be detective D2A pension.
There were 46 responses on the first day of this topic and not one person mentions saving more money for retirement "just in case" there is no pension. Start finding a way to cut your expenses and start saving more cash, you'll be glad you did it at retirement even if we do still have a pension.
What remains to be seen whether or not the Urban Crusaders w/less than 10 years on the job will forgo an m4 cleaning session or 4hour gym workout & actually become involved in the Pension Issues ?
8/04/2010 10:52:00 AM
Your disenchanted self seems to have plenty of time to cruise the internet. I'm sure you are accomplishing a lot. Maybe the hairgels are working out while you are screaming into cyberspace?
To the poster concerned with HR3936-- How about holding the advisors accountable? If the pension had been run on the legit for the last 30 years do you think it would have to be bailed out?
100 million in cds, cmo , cmbs and other nonsense and as far as I can tell, same BS politically connected advisors.
old retired guy
I would like to know why in this last contract there was no mention of compression. Why is the union not fighting harder to get our wages compressed at say 10 years and not 25. There are cities like oak lawn and elgin that compress after 3 years with oak lawn being paid around 75k and elgin at 82k. We need to be pressing the union to fight a hell of a late harder for this pay option. For christ sake at the state level compression is around 7 years and nationally it is 15 years.
04:52:00 PM
Anonymous said...
And vote out these damn socialists who plan to make our lives a real living hell...think Cuba, Venezuela, England.
You need to go back to school you know nothing.
Timothy Geither with the support of President Obama, Requested Congress provide a bill that will provide funding relief for employees that have a defined benefit pension so that they do not go under. Rep Earl Pomeroy a Dem, from N-D provide such a bill.
The Republicans refuse to let it come to a vote- One bill is HR3936 yet there are 3 others the Obama Administration also has in the works to help the Pensions so we receive our pension as promised. trying to make the Republicans respond to the working man is difficult, Also Talk radio is against helping pensions they say its not good for business. I guess help is only for the wealthy. To bad so sad for them workers they should have saved more money.
As of today the republicans refuse to let these bills come forward.
8/04/2010 07:22:00 PM
Unfortunately your logic is flawed. First of all, such a bill would not only be bad for business, it would be bad for all taxpayers. Second, the Republicans cannot stop such a bill because they don't have the votes. Third, it is not the province of the Federal Government to satisfy obligations of a state or a private business for that matter. This kind of bill is nothing more than the creeping Socialism or creeping big-government that we are hearing about. I wish it were otherwise, but it isn't.
This kind of bill is nothing more than the creeping Socialism or creeping big-government
This is why you will not receive your pension as promised.
I have 20 yrs left to work. I am a little bit more scared than you.
You have time on your side he doesn't.
Anonymous said...
I would like to know why in this last contract there was no mention of compression. Why is the union not fighting harder to get our wages compressed at say 10 years and not 25. There are cities like oak lawn and elgin that compress after 3 years with oak lawn being paid around 75k and elgin at 82k. We need to be pressing the union to fight a hell of a late harder for this pay option. For christ sake at the state level compression is around 7 years and nationally it is 15 years.
8/05/2010 08:29:00 AM
Compression wasn't even on the table this last time. I asked about it too. No way it will go to 10 years, the next compression will be to 20 years I guess, unless the city is too broke to give any raises, then they will use compression to get younger officers a bump.
Last time all the over 30 years guys complained like hell so they tossed them a raise that no one else will ever see. But we see top pay at 25 years instead of 30. Should be at 10 at a minimum.
Chicago is the ONLY large city police department that makes officers wait till 25 years of service to receive top pay grade.
That sucks. New York gets it after much less, I think 5, so do many others.
Anonymous said...
It should like Baltimore Police and Fire could retire after 20 years of Service even if they were only
41 YEARS OLD.
That would be enough to bankrupt any pension fund.
8/04/2010 12:56:00 PM
New York can leave after 20 years, any age. But New York City has a City Personal Income Tax. it goes from around 2.6% on the low end to 3.6% plus a $2,000 surcharge on over $60,000 income for head of household.
Add a 3% City of Chicago Personal Income Tax here and all sorts of things could be paid for. And computers would burn up with all the flaming that would go on.
"Unfortunately your logic is flawed. First of all, such a bill would not only be bad for business, it would be bad for all taxpayers."
So defined public pensions are bad.
You'd agree then from this moment forward to give all future CPD pensioners their contributions back and allow them to purchase credits to make them eligible for full social security benefits upon retirement.
Heck, why not save the taxpayers and business interests a poop load of $$$ and move all current CPD pensioners to social security. If a retiree doesn't have enough social security credits or the retiree's CPD pension benefit payout to date has exceeded their pension contributions, too bad. Go get a job.
Better still, don't refund anything to current and future CPD pensioners and don't give them social security unless they got the credits from working in the private sector. If you didn't work enough to qualify for social security and were relying on your CPD pension as a source of retirement income, you should have known better. Don't you attend all the FLOP and Pension Board meetings?
Naw, forget all that. This defined public pension stuff is bad for business and the taxpayers, it's just socialism run a muck. If you didn't save enough retirement $$$ on your own, shame on you. You should have been more responsible.
The bestest option is to give all present and future CPD pensioners zero retirement benefits. Most don't make it past a year or two in retirement anyways.
I agree all cpd officers should receive top pay at 15 years get rid of all step raises after 15 years , no one will quit
bunch of cry babies , wouldn't know police work if it jumped in the back seat of squad car
freeze step raises , the hair gels are whiners and could be replaced with private security
fop use your lobbiests in springfield to get rid of gold braid bill for exempts ,all merit political appointed captains and any rank that person was a merit appointment
I think you members of the CPD better start saving money. The road a head is going to be rocky and workers in the private sector that rely on SSI and their 401K savings are not going to vote for more taxes for you to live better than they can.
The ponzi schemes are coming to a close soon for everyone.
W
This really scares me. I have 2yrs left and wonder will I have to work until I am 70 after I leave here because there is no pension left or they cut my payout in 1/2?
Naw. You'll have to keep working until your 90.But est easy in knowing that those F-ing politicians who bleed our pension fund dry will have made sure that theirs is solvent so they will enjoy a nice, comfortable retirement. Hell, you might bump into some of them when you, at 78 yrs old, are cleaning the table at the restaurant you've been working at to survive.
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