Outdoor Range Problems
Conservationists from Chicago's Southeast Side are pushing back against a proposed outdoor police shooting range.
Members of the Calumet Ecological Park Association are worried that the frequent shooting at the outdoor range, planned for the 2000 block of East 134th Street, would disturb birds in a nearby wetland.
They also fear that gunfire would disrupt a nature education center and walking trails being built by the city east of the range site across the Calumet River near 130th Street and Torrence Avenue. The facility will cater to families and young children.
"The reality is they don't want any development in open space anywhere on the East Side," said Chicago police Lt. Ray Hamilton, who is overseeing the project. "Their position is that they support the range, just not at this location. Well, that's disingenuous."
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
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Embarassing leadership once again.
Gotta run.
" • Conservationists from Chicago's Southeast Side . . "
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WTF ?????
I think you southeast side "conservationists" are a little to late.
You should have realized that when your piss started glowing in the dark.
You want a bird to come save you, or a policeman who's had some target practice?
The "environment," trees and dirt and bushes and like that, soaks up range noise pretty good. Get some berms bulldozed up for safety, that also directs a lot of noise upwards, and at any distance it's just a muffled popping. If they put up booths/dividers/a roof at the firing line that is lined with some Celotex or other sound-absorbing material, that cuts a lot of it too.
I'm in Hegewisch and I for damn sure hope they get this range. There's a ton of vacant, former industrial land that has no productive commercial use whatsoever, aside from something like a range. Perfect location, this must be done (and I'm biased- the sound of range practice and the smell of smokeless makes me proud to be an American)
As an aside, can any cops give me any inside tips on how maybe we can get some attention on a particularly troublesome Section 8 shithole?
I live on Baltimore Ave and see this every day... The red brick apartments across from Pudgies Pizza just recently took in some supreme shitheads that are of the worst nature I've ever seen. Openly dealing drugs, openly smoking weed, seriously harassing decent people walking by, including little kids. These are piranhas in the goldfish bowl and mark my words, here and now, they will eventually do something very, very, very bad.
Are there any ways to report this sort of thing to the police and actually be taken seriously and not just blown off by the person in the office taking the call?
Think of the children!!!!
Good to see that new Lt is working the streets. Does he know where any of the 25 district police stations are located? Does he know that some of us have to work on Saturday & Sunday? Does he ever wonder what we do between 4pm and 8am? Live it up my man, your head will be on a pike when scores get settled this March.
Heaven forbid, the metric TONS of garbage and who-knows-what-else disturb the litthe fish or birds.
The wildlife in that aera is like the stuff from around the powerplant in the Simpsons. 3 eyed fish and all!
fuck these hippies; didn't that whole area use to be steal mills and factories... what the fuck is a 2 acre shooting range gonna mater?? Is this being taking seriously? could they actually prevention the range from being built?
For reasons we officers in the 004th District can't understand is that the land north of 133rd and Avenue K is the former deposed Nike site. As in the Nike missile, not the shoe. This area is already zoned for military use. That means also weapon firing. There are already roads and concrete barricades in this area. Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is a no-brainer as far as shooting ranges go. The alderman is police friendly so we are sure it wouldn't take that much to get something set up for CPD. The environmentalists wouldn't have a thing to say on this area since it is already zoned for what we need. In fact, we'll be calling Alderman Pope in the morning to see what some blue shirts can do that the white shirts have had a problem doing for some time now.
You know these birds are far more important than the police officers.
Oh boy...we train our Army at outdoor ranges without compliants from birds. WTF?? God help our CPD. What next? Bless you all.
Old Army vet
Whats funny is, I've seen deer and coyote near 58th and Union/Shields on the tracks in Englewood. I've seen A LOT of deer in Harvey at the range on the berms in the early morning hours. Animals adapt, it will be the same at the range at 137th/Doty
Last I checked, there are plenty of birds living in harmony next to O'Hare and Midway. Not exactly places that I'd call quiet. Our feathered friends will get used to the noise. Get over it hippies!
we never should have given up our balls.
The county owns this land not the city.
RayRay is a tool, but he's correct on this issue.
The CPD needs an outdoor range, PERIOD.
SWAT has needed an outdoor range here
in or near our city limits for several years now.
Lots of officers certified now with the M4, and
regular re-certifications are a must. We don't
have any real decent indoor ranges left in the
five areas...they're old, and prone to constant
breakdowns, to say nothing of the air circulation/
temperature control problems. We need to get the
shotgun qualification program back up and running
again too. Lots of POs would love to have the option
to carry their own .12 gauge. The bleeding heart
bird watchers will just have to get over this. I just
hope they build the outdoor range right, and that when it's completed, those who go out there to use
it will do so RESPONSIBLY.
Retired guy speaking. I now live in a rural area and belong to a rifle club in Beloit Wi. Any day that you go there, animals, birds and wildlife of all shapes and forms walk around the grounds with rifles and pistols blazing in the background. There are some huge deer that simply look up when shots are fired and then just go back to eating. Homes are right across the street and down the road. So far the range and all the living critters are getting along pretty well. Then again, this isn't Chicago or Crook County. At least these cheesheads got it right and fired Feingold (lib dem senator) and voted a conservative into the governors office. Quinn is still gonna ruin --- oops---- I mean run Illinois and that does not speak highly for the voters of Illinois.
I can see Ray went right back to where he came from after he was promoted. Morale booster.
How else am I going to practice shooting a gun out of someone's hand and shot to wound?
The conservation people are right though. You always hear people talking about going to Chicago's unknown east side. It's known for.... Well really nothing but hillbilly's that didn't make the cut in Canaryville.
Use the old Brock's candy company on the west side on Cicero. It'll be easier to get to.
After all, the squirrels and sparrows barely flinch on the southside and look at all the gunfire they have to endure in Englewood and Pullman.
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Sorry but those are not sparrows those are called PIGEONS and they are nasty birds.
disingenuous ???
I say:
egregious !!!
What the funk? Fancy word a day graduates?
Anonymous said...
Last I checked, there are plenty of birds living in harmony next to O'Hare and Midway. Not exactly places that I'd call quiet. Our feathered friends will get used to the noise. Get over it hippies!
11/03/2010 04:22:00 AM
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To clarify, on the backfield at O'Hare there is (or was) a small forest right alongside the runways and along the train tracks. And in that forest lived Deer, Racoons, Snakes and above all other things, many birds. None of those animals were bothered by massive jets taking off all day and nearly all night long every day of the week.
A few pops during the day a couple days a week doesn't mean shit, so these hiptards can go fuck themselves and worry about their own asses before they try worrying about a few birds that don't give a shit about them.
Its a shame the idiots in charge lost the oportunity for a enclosed rifle/pistol facility at the airport, but that would have been for free and we couldn't hammer the taxpayers again.
It must be fun watching overpaid adults arguing like 3 year olds
we dont need no range fools!!please...report takers and dispersals!!!now leave me alone!!
This facility is needed and the best available space owned by the city happens to be there.
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What about that big chunk of property the city owns at I-55 and damen. The city owns that property that those silos sit on and it's easily accessible from the e-way. Oh that's right, we need more townhomes/condos in this city...
Why cant the shitty just build an indoor/underground range??Plenty of vacant factories since nobody wants to do business in shitcago anymore.
There are no squirrels in Englewood, sparrows yes but squirrels, No. They eat them
To the person living on 134th Baltimore. Good luck with getting help with that. Little to no police in Hegewisch. Fn shame aint it. The scumbags see and know this and that's why the burglaries, thefts, drug dealings, intimidation, bangers - you name it is out of control in Hegewisch. The commander is more worried about anybody that lives North of 106th street and could care less about all the rest of the good folk, you know the tax payers that live South. Unlike the beat and sector car in 008 that has to stay on the beat where all the city workers live thanks to their alderman's help. Why can't we get the same, we can but people have to stand up and say "enough". Alderman Pope has to say enough too but I don't know why he doesn't. Heard on the radio 433 got pulled off the beat again, just as usual and answered a job on 77th Coles, meanwhile lawlessness continues in good ole Hegewisch. A little birdie told me that that red brick building is owned by the police!
A properly constructed range will have backstops in place to contain the rounds being fired. I say put in the damn range and let the Police start shooting . This has a law enforcement purpose so lets not obstruct it.
Again ray ray doing whatever he wants, he should if reached out first then this may of never happened.
Sounds odd to me. Over here in Englandland a lot of our conservation bodies are quite keen for wildlife reserves to be on ranges as the wildlife doesn't get disturbed by humans. I have been shooting on army ranges and have seen deer grazing a short distance away from the shooters. The wildlife soon gets used to gunfire when it's not directed at them.
How much is the range going to cost. How about hiring more cops with the money first and if we ever get our manpower stable, then work on other training issues and equipment. Just a thought.
For reasons we officers in the 004th District can't understand is that the land north of 133rd and Avenue K is the former deposed Nike site. As in the Nike missile, not the shoe. This area is already zoned for military use. That means also weapon firing. There are already roads and concrete barricades in this area. Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is a no-brainer as far as shooting ranges go. The alderman is police friendly so we are sure it wouldn't take that much to get something set up for CPD. The environmentalists wouldn't have a thing to say on this area since it is already zoned for what we need. In fact, we'll be calling Alderman Pope in the morning to see what some blue shirts can do that the white shirts have had a problem doing for some time now.
11/03/2010 01:48:00 AM
You officers have got something here and am surprised this idea of yours wasn't put on paper years ago. The area is just perfect for an outdoor range. Perfect. I tryed calling Alderman Popes office today and havent recieved any answer yet on what it would take to get the ball rolling but who in the CPD should be contacted? That Nike Site as the Hegewischians call it has a lot of potential for something big. With all the politics and red tape and all I see this Nike Site as a place where future Olympians can use this land as both an INDOOR AS WELL AS AN OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE and have a nature center around too with walking trails. It is right near Wolf Lake. An added bonus is that the trailer court east of 133rd and Avenue K is being torn down so more land is out on that side too. Years ago, Vrydolyak was in charge of the 10th Ward and I'm sure if the cops wanted something like this then he would have helped out since his own brother was in law enforcement. I really think the FOP should get off their lazy asses and check this area out. If any corporate business is interested in helping, it would seem like a gold mine is out here for the taking.
Re : 11/3/2010- 0100 hours.
Your concerns have been heard, and we'll look into it. -GEU
To: 11/03/2010 01:00:00 AM
"I'm in Hegewisch and I for damn sure hope they get this range. There's a ton of vacant, former industrial land that has no productive commercial use whatsoever, aside from something like a range. Perfect location, this must be done (and I'm biased- the sound of range practice and the smell of smokeless makes me proud to be an American)
As an aside, can any cops give me any inside tips on how maybe we can get some attention on a particularly troublesome Section 8 shithole?
I live on Baltimore Ave and see this every day... The red brick apartments across from Pudgies Pizza just recently took in some supreme shitheads that are of the worst nature I've ever seen. Openly dealing drugs, openly smoking weed, seriously harassing decent people walking by, including little kids. These are piranhas in the goldfish bowl and mark my words, here and now, they will eventually do something very, very, very bad.
Are there any ways to report this sort of thing to the police and actually be taken seriously and not just blown off by the person in the office taking the call?"
The guy who owns that dump is none other that a Sgt. in the 25th District. He has been reported to IAD and troubled buildings in the past. He does respond by getting rid of the problem renters, but then just rents to a new group banging thugs. The only solution is to just keep reporting him!!!
Don't birds fly around airports? Always hear of them flying into the planes, those things are as loud as you can get.
Birds aside, Does anyone remember whats under all that earth in that area? It's a fucking dump that was contaminated with Lord knows what! It's not safe for humans!
My grandfather rode out the last years of his CPD career at o'hare. This was early to mid seventies. They would go pheasant hunting on the grounds of the airport after they got off.
"Conservationists from Chicago's Southeast Side"
--11/03/2010 12:51:00 AM
Yeah, that is an oxymoron, isn't it?
"Save the garbage dumps..."
That'd make a great bumper sticker...
The Nike site is far better than 2000 E. 134th street (which if you look on a map is smack in the center of the city garbage dumps, aka, a toxic waste site for over
40 years).
Pity the west, north or northwest sider that has to travel to either location during rush hour (2 hour ride?).
Why not two outdoor ranges?
It's amazing with all the vacant land closer to the center of the city, none can be found?
No land at O'Hara?
Does any of this matter anyway, city will not but bullets!
Birds, Deer and what not do not have anything to do with it. This is a case of pure and simple Yuppie liberal gun hate. No more, no less.
The guy who owns that dump is none other that a Sgt. in the 25th District. He has been reported to IAD and troubled buildings in the past. He does respond by getting rid of the problem renters, but then just rents to a new group banging thugs. The only solution is to just keep reporting him!!!
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I guess that's what I'm going to have to do. I know for a fact the coppers we have working our neighborhood are great guys and plenty of times, have seen them checking that building out.
I did know a cop owned that building but didn't want to mention it myself. It's a disgrace that a police officer is behind that dump. I've seen him- in a Police SUV- delivering buckets of what was probably some sort of building material to the 'residents' who were must've been doing work for him.
Whoever this guy is, he's bad news. You cannot possibly involve yourself with people like that and not get dirty. I hope he sells that building to someone who won't use it to poison our community.
His latest batch of Section 8'ers are straight up thugs.
Conservationist or wanna be dictators? I don't like what you are doing so you can't and I'll use the birdies as an argument to get my way.
I've shoot highpower rifle in matches where the deer moseyed across the range while we were shooting. If there is good habitat, wildlife will thrive in-spite of any noise.
W
"Are there any ways to report this sort of thing to the police and actually be taken seriously and not just blown off by the person in the office taking the call?"
The guy who owns that dump is none other that a Sgt. in the 25th District. He has been reported to IAD and troubled buildings in the past. He does respond by getting rid of the problem renters, but then just rents to a new group banging thugs. The only solution is to just keep reporting him!!!
11/03/2010 02:03:00 PM"
ever shoot ducks in a gallery?
heard that someone failed to get the environmental impact statement done right, was too busy wasting federal grant money on buying swat stuff.
Dear tree hugging, bird watching hippies.
Two words for you, Homeland Security.
Check mate.
Now only if we had a politician with the stones to say so.
As far as enviormental impact, I qoute
"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?"
Ronaldus Maximus.
Also, it should be made twice as big. Designate half for civilians, the money generated would pay for the range and your target ammo.
Go hug your bunnies you asshats......
Who is the Sergeant from 025 who owns the troubled building in Hegweisch? Wonder how he would like a bunch of shitheads living next to him.
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