Recruit Age to Drop
An influential alderman is forging a rare partnership with the Fraternal Order of Police to try to block the Chicago Police Department from raising the minimum application age for police recruits to 25.
Police Committee Chairman Anthony Beale (9th) and Fraternal Order of Police President Mark Donahue said the unilateral decision to raise the minimum application age from 21 to 25 breaks a promise to police cadets and undermines college recruiting.
At the City Council meeting today, Beale plans to introduce a resolution demanding Council hearings on the change he calls unfair.
UPDATE: As predicted, J-Fled surrendered like a patio umbrella in a hurricane:
The Chicago Police Department is striking a compromise after running into opposition over a plan to raise its minimum application age to 25.
Instead of forcing aspiring police officers to wait until their 25th birthday to take the police entrance exam on Dec. 11, the revised policy allows them to take the test when they turn 21. But they still can’t enter the police academy until they’re 25.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 9:01 AM
77 Comments:
That's great Mark, work with the same guy who wanted to take away uniform allowances and shift differential. Remember, he has an agenda. But then I am sure that you do too.
Age requirements should only be set to comply with the laws only. 21 to carry a gun, etc.... I know guys in their 30's otj that act 12 ("Sony") and 23 year olds who act like old timers. It's the person and what they are allowed to get away with. Some immature knuckle heads otj just continously embarass us, but keep us entertained (We need that). I think the age doesnt matter but this attitude of "self entitlement" needs to be removed prior to hitting the streets. I believe anyone hired should have job references on their applications. No one should come on this job without knowing what it like to be held responsible for something. Not just turning in book reports in class. Coming to work on time, pride in your work, understanding the concept of carrying your on weight, etc....
If this happens its a big FU to all the haters of the cadet program.
we sent millions of 18 year olds around the world under arms to fight for our country---- you look at the individual, not the age when gauging whether someone is good for this job....
I will say this once. I would not be a Chicago Police Officer if the test age was 25. I took the test when I was 22. I waited over 3 years to get hired.
The testing age should be 20 and the hiring age should be 23. That is called a compromise. 23 gives a kid a few years past 21 to grow up a little bit more. Taking the test at 20 tells a young man/woman to stay straight for a few years.
The truth is there is no magic number. I have worked with 22 year olds who were great and 28 year olds who acted like they were 15.
Yay Potato Head! Now Marky can take credit for an accomplishment and hope that officers somehow forget how we lost 6% of our pay.
Logic and Accountability do not apply here.
I have no use for Ald. Beale, but he's got it right on this issue. Shame on our stupid Supt. for suggesting boosting the hiring age to 25 in the first place.
What a tool, can't wait until March!
"If a person can't even take the test until they're 25, they're not gonna get hired until they're 27 or 28," Beale said.
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Perhaps it's a good thing.
The state legislature will definitely raise the retirement age to anywhere between 55 and 60 for new hires . . if someone comes on the age of 21 and has to work until age 60??
Hell, they'll be burned out to no end with almost 40 fuckin' years on this shit job!!!
Hurrah! The governor is still a democrat.
This is the greatest news! Let's hope its true!
Signed: ~Mature 23 year old turning 24 trying to follow his dream!
J-Fled always back pedaling after making stupid decisions. Still shaking my head that this goof ball is not only the police but our boss.
Does my football and basketball ability count as college?
Backtracking? AGAIN? Does anybody in charge have a clue?
KEEP IT AT 25! You eliminate alot of thugs and know it all college kids.... It's right the way it is.
They've tinkered with this job more in the last 7 years then in the last 100 years.
25, and yes 23, was an assinine age requirement.
All they'd get would be misfits, living with mommy, who have ZERO going on in their mid 20s.
Any and all real people will have fled Chicago in search of a better life by 25. Think about it, why the fuck would any kid stay here except for a government job. Only reason I stayed 25 years ago......wasn't a bad decision in the end. Life is full of trade-offs and you have to sweeten the pot for people to stay in a place like this.
"Me" for Supt. said...
Age requirements should only be set to comply with the laws only. 21 to carry a gun, etc.... I know guys in their 30's otj that act 12 ("Sony") and 23 year olds who act like old timers. It's the person and what they are allowed to get away with. Some immature knuckle heads otj just continously embarass us, but keep us entertained (We need that). I think the age doesnt matter but this attitude of "self entitlement" needs to be removed prior to hitting the streets. I believe anyone hired should have job references on their applications. No one should come on this job without knowing what it like to be held responsible for something. Not just turning in book reports in class. Coming to work on time, pride in your work, understanding the concept of carrying your on weight, etc....
How is a 21 year old supposed to have any job skills or meaningful references. Your 21 when you graduate college, fill out the police application and there you go. I have no problem with making the age 25 to join the dept. Make an exception for the current cadets and leave it at that. 21 year old college kids don't know shit about life especially if their from some po-dunk town or some pussy ass suburb. Just because you have a badge and a gun doesn't mean you are capable of dealing with reality in the city streets.
So....since Fled Wilted on the minimum age; they going to do something with the top end?
I know a few people in their mid-30's that want to be PPo's.
Up, down, back, forth, in, out -- nothing like clear and decisive leadership.
Only a few more months of this.
"I believe anyone hired should have job references on their applications. No one should come on this job without knowing what it like to be held responsible for something. Not just turning in book reports in class. Coming to work on time, pride in your work, understanding the concept of carrying your on weight, etc..."
--11/03/2010 02:41:00 PM
That is a good idea. I see a lot of kids today who've never really had anyone tell them what to do; they literally explode. "You can't tell me what to do! You're not my father!" Hell, their own father is afraid of them too -- not that there's any reason to be.
One supermarket I go to actually has a sign over the time clock -- "No pajamas, bathrobes, slippers, or cell phones allowed." Horribly, that sign is there because it's necessary today.
Yeah, the intro to the working world is when someone tells you "Put that box over there," and you just do it. Keep quiet and do it for weeks, months, and sooner or later you'll find out what's in the boxes, where they are going, etc. In the meantime, just hang in there and do what you're told -- you don't get a piece of candy every time, either.
Yeah, I don't think being a policeman should be anyone's very first job. I can't even imagine that. I started out on my knees in a factory drilling holes in things; I'll never forget sinking back into the hot bathtub that night...
"I think the age doesn't matter but this attitude of 'self entitlement' needs to be removed prior to hitting the streets."
As one writer put it, "Ignorant, yet filled with self-esteem."
There's a fourteen-year-old Dutch girl sailing around the world single-handed right now; there are plenty of fifty-year-old men who can't even get their dog to listen to them.
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So, you cadets can take the test when you're 21. And big deal if you're on the list for the two or three years til they take the list down, WAY before you turn 25. And this benefits you HOW, exactly?
OT Luberman leaving Nov. 29th. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
Schools CEO Huberman to resign Nov. 29
November 3, 2010
BY FRAN SPIELMAN
Chicago Public Schools CEO Ron Huberman will resign his $230,000-a-year-job effective Nov. 29 in a departure hastened by Mayor Daley, City Hall sources said Wednesday.
Is the next headline..Huberman next Police Superintendant??
The whole age requirement is nonsense! I took the test when I was 21. Hired when I was 23. Been on 17 years. If they're concerned about the maturity or lack of, of the applicant, weed them out with the psych test.
I have no use for Ald. Beale, but he's got it right on this issue
--Beale's on his own agenda with this. Most of who he speaks for are felons early in life, can you imagine who would be left to take the test if they had to wait until they were 25 to take the test??
This is the greatest news! Let's hope its true!
Signed: ~Mature 23 year old turning 24 trying to follow his dream!
--Good Luck to you
25! What total BS!
The Fledster's own FBI requires a minimum age of 23.
http://www.fbijobs.gov/111.asp
So basically at 18 you can vote, serve in the US armed forces, serve on a jury, and pay taxes.
But the CPD is another story.
At least make it 22 yoa with a 4 year degree or 23 with 2 years of college.
The fledster is almost guaranteeing that top-notch applicants go elsewhere. Sure in a poor economy you can draw good applicants but in good economic times these same applicants will not want to wait around to work for and live in Shitcago.
Still thinking -- yes, every officer has a first day on the job, but it is probably a good idea to have had other experience before that -- time to get over the teenage hormone storm and steady up a little, time to get to know yourself and your capabilities and reactions, and to get to know how other types of people think and react. This should really take place in a safer environment like an office, farm, factory, or store -- not suddenly in the dark with bottles breaking and someone yelling and there's a light in your eyes and you can't quite see what
Takes time to grow up. I hope to get there someday. (grin)
Ot: Are we lucky enough to get huberman back in this flux of leadership? Puke
I will be taking the test on Dec 11th. Is there a good study guide to read up on before the exam?
I still say that the "bust out" brother who served as a cook in the Air Force would score higher on the test than his brother with the college degree.
That is still stupid! Who in their right mind would wait four years to take this shitty job after taking a test!
If you don't hire these people right away, chances are they would be good as gone!
J-FLED is just plain stupid!
Da Pelon
P.S. FUCK YOU J-FLED!!!
I'm with the other guy. Age doesn't mean a thing. I applied 2 months after turning 21. I got into the academy 9 days after my 23rd birthday. There were only 2 people younger than me in my class and I was shocked at how immature some people were. It was like being back in high school. The age requirement won't make a difference in maturity, it all depends on the individual. The investigating Detective should be given, if they already don't, the power to deny someone employment based on how the individual presents him or herself. I've seen 50 year olds act as bad as an 8 year old. If you want to see some characters, this is definitely the place for it. One thing I'd like to add, that's just a small percentage of the department, but everyone on this job has each others' back.
They need to come up with a better background checking process to weed out all these mutts from the hood. You can't really anticipate how much a lazy dog ass they are going to be but the FTO's should get a hint and be a little more strict on evaluations.
OT
Hey SCC,
Huberman's next move?
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/chicago-public-schools-huberman-resign-suntimes-106641333.html
Anonymous said...
Yay Potato Head! Now Marky can take credit for an accomplishment and hope that officers somehow forget how we lost 6% of our pay.
11/03/2010 10:18:00 AM
Did I miss something? How did we lose 6% of our pay? Do you mean the arbitrator's award that was a total of 10% instead of 16%?
You goof. I'll bet you will still be seething about that 10 years from now too. We never had that 6%. And if we did get it you would instead be blogging about how we had to take unpaid days off to get it and how someone fucked you out of work days.
FOP elections in the spring there Mr Six percent. Get out from behind your keyboard and run for FOP elected office and do something differently.
I suggest to Ald. Beale that the City Code be amended to not allow any former FBI personnel to ever again become exempt members of the Chicago Police Department.
Remember that when your hired as a p.o. from a cadet your seniority transfers over as well.
"Quaglia, who created a Facebook page called “The Chicago Police Minimum Age Will Destroy My Career,” said he was happy about the compromise announced Wednesday."
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Buddy..
the Chicago Police will destroy your life if you have to work until 60 to get a pension.
Better buy your straight jacket now.
Maybe the 21 yr olds will work a full day, not like many of the PO's in HQ who come in a 9 and leave at 2, thanks for your hard work!
Why would anyone take the test when they are 21 and have to wait FOUR years to get hired??? That makes no sense whatsoever....Oh wait, I forgot, ITS CHICAGO.
If your smart, go to the burbs...I did.
Apparently and alderman or some other local political hack has a son who is undder 25
J-Fled is the biggest coward put foward to lead men and women.
The county sheriff's police doesn't even have this much embarrassment.
My God.
What happens to the 21 year old that scores on top of the list and is passed over repeatedly because of their age and then the list is taken down before they turn 25. They are fu*cked. Lower the hiring age also.
WHAT A GREAT LEADER HE IS SO DESPERATE TO GET A RENEWED CONTRACT!
PROBLEM IS
NO ALDERMAN LIKE HIM AT ALL MR. WEIS WAS DALEY GUY.
HE DIDNT DO A DAMN THING FOR ANY REV-RUNS.
WEISAL DIDN'T MAKE FRIENDS WITH THE CLOUTED AT HQ SO HE NEVER LEARNED THE ROPES.
J-FLED HAD HANDLER LIKE MASTER WHO REALLY DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO FOLLOW J-FLED LEAD.
EXEMPTS LIKE CUELLO AND CARUTHERS FRATERNIZING WITH FELONS AND DRUG-DEALERS YET REMAIN IN HI-PROFILE POSITIONS WITH ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
J-FLED BEGGING TO STAY ON WITH A PAY CUT.... DUMB VERY DUMB.
EVEN HUBERMAN KNOW WHEN TO LEAVE A SINKING SHIP.
GET READY FOR HUBERMAN TO APPLY FOR THE SUPE SPOT WORD IS HE HAS CONTACTED RAUM TO HELP HIM OUT!!!
That's great Mark, work with the same guy who wanted to take away uniform allowances and shift differential. Remember, he has an agenda. But then I am sure that you do too.
11/03/2010 09:06:00 AM
Jesus, Hater........does a minute go by where Marky D. isn't all up in your head? Prolly not. Enjoy yur pathetic life.
The physc test don't work. Buddies of mine took the test back in 91. Family guys, that never got in trouble, good family upbringing and perfectly sane. They got found not physc fit but you have all these simpletons, morons, bi-polar individuals on the job today.
They did just enough so that the cadets wouldn't be able to file a suit against the city. Believe me they would have won with flying colors and City Hall knew that so they nipped it right in the butt.
The cadet program would have been the foundation of litigation and then every other issues would have been thrown in the bandwagon as well
It is simple and obvious: the best talent will not come here to work or stay here. They will go somewhere else.
As they should.
This police department is a pile of shit. Good officers and good supervisors are being run into the ground by a corrupt command staff and corrupt political leadership.
The job is fraught with danger and not from the bad guys with guns. Liability, lawsuits etc. It is a minefield. Go elsewhere.
"How is a 21 year old supposed to have any job skills or meaningful references. Your 21 when you graduate college, fill out the police application and there you go. I have no problem with making the age 25 to join the dept. Make an exception for the current cadets and leave it at that. 21 year old college kids don't know shit about life especially if their from some po-dunk town or some pussy ass suburb. Just because you have a badge and a gun doesn't mean you are capable of dealing with reality in the city streets."
It's people like you that make me realize this department is doomed. I grew up in a "pussy ass" suburb and moved here when I started the academy...a little over a decade ago. One of the things I have learned is that it's not where you grew up, but your DESIRE to do this job and do it well that make you a good police officer. I'm not super cop, a house mouse or a whiner. I come to work everyday and do my job. So if you think you're better at it than me because you grew up in this hell hole, then I guess you don't want any of us from the suburbs, other states or wherever to back you up when you need help? Have fun then superhero.
By the way, here's a little bit of info I learned in college...
There are in fact differences in the words your, you're and there, their, they're etc. Learn to use them correctly (damn my suburban education!)
There was a time when the department would hire people who were 20. This latest decision is not based on sound scientific data, but only upon the opinion of a few asshats. The truth is there are 50 year olds who have no more sense than 12 year olds and 21 year olds who are wiser than anything.
And what about the testing procedure? Isn't there a psychological testing portion? Wouldn't that weed out the unwanted? Oh wait, this is Chicago, where every recruit is pushed through the academy.
Asshats one and all. And for the record, 21 should be sufficient.
I'm with the other guy. Age doesn't mean a thing. I applied 2 months after turning 21. I got into the academy 9 days after my 23rd birthday. There were only 2 people younger than me in my class and I was shocked at how immature some people were. It was like being back in high school. The age requirement won't make a difference in maturity, it all depends on the individual. The investigating Detective should be given, if they already don't, the power to deny someone employment based on how the individual presents him or herself. I've seen 50 year olds act as bad as an 8 year old. If you want to see some characters, this is definitely the place for it. One thing I'd like to add, that's just a small percentage of the department, but everyone on this job has each others' back.
11/03/2010 05:29:00 PM
I agree. I took the test at 21 and hit the streets at 23.
Once you hit your early twenties, you are all but shaped as a person. How you were raised and experiences shape your life. Not being 25 as opposed to 21.
You are who you are. If someone can go to the military at 18 and go get killed overseas. I see no problem with someone being able to get onto CPD at 21.
"What happens to the 21 year old that scores on top of the list and is passed over repeatedly because of their age and then the list is taken down before they turn 25. They are fu*cked. Lower the hiring age also.
11/03/2010 08:49:00 PM"
Look @ it this way they'll be a Supervisor of Security at Ford City by then,& can bring all that experience with them.
Regardless of how the math and numbers unfold, one thing's for certain:
More Hair Gels coming to a district near you.
I will be taking the test on Dec 11th. Is there a good study guide to read up on before the exam?
11/03/2010 04:16:00 PM
Chicago: City on the Make an essay by Nelson Algren published in 1951.
Still holds true today.
"The physc test don't work. Buddies of mine took the test back in 91. Family guys, that never got in trouble, good family upbringing and perfectly sane."
That also applied to Jeffrey Dahmer,What's your point?
Have you ever seen more orders and directives and events, rescinded, changed or just negated altogether? Everything you see come out of the fax machine...wait a few hours/days and the correction follows.
I am talking about about laws they expect us to enforce, details we are to rearrange our family lives for and everything else we do on this job. It is amazing.
Today they sent the chilling order to the Captains: "Hey, we weren't paying attention and we have too many Captains retiring. So you all have to put in Par forms and make a wish list for three Districts you think you might want to work in. In six days we are going to throw you into a new District that may or may not be on your list. Screw you and your family."
60 million years ago a comet struck the Earth and killed almost everything on the planet. Two and a half years ago J-Fled hit the Chicago Police Department......
Uh, federal law requires one to be 21 to purchase a handgun. 18 yr. old combat vets can't legally own a handgun.
When's the detectives merit picks announcement ever being made?
Anonymous said...
So, you cadets can take the test when you're 21. And big deal if you're on the list for the two or three years til they take the list down, WAY before you turn 25. And this benefits you HOW, exactly?
11/03/2010 03:54:00 PM
Wait and SEE...
These guys must all love PAU Director Goldstein and Chief of Staff Master because they are all guys who came on to the department after they busted out of their first career choice. Since when does failing at a career make for good experience and a good copper?
>>>Anonymous said...
That's great Mark, work with the same guy who wanted to take away uniform allowances and shift differential. Remember, he has an agenda. But then I am sure that you do too.
11/03/2010 09:06:00 AM<<<
WE don't have a "SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL".
Never did, probably never will. That's because we get a DUTY AVAILABILITY Check. So the House Mice who never see a police station at night, never work a beat car gets the same check as a patrolman working a Midnight Car in the ghetto.
Since I work midnights by choice, I'd like to see that.
A uniform commisary system, maybe that would be a good thing. But everyone likes getting thse checks.
Ok, I'm gonna go out on a limb but I would predict that the amount of CAR CHASES and IPRA shooting cases goes way up. You're getting people with little or no experience of ANY kind and empowering them. What do I know....(10 years in 007-025-015)
One of the very best police officers I ever knew was hired at age 20, in the academy at 20, after two years in the US Army. He got out of the academy and hit the street after turning 21. He later got his BA while working on the CPD.
He worked till his 63rd birthday and never had one day of suspension or a sustained CR.
IDOC was chock full of people he put there. Yet today, jodypweis would not hire him because, well, he took the test at age 20 and had no college.
Like so many other things here, makes no sense and does nothing to cure what really ails the CPD.
who cares about the merit captains
assign captains only to areas
they move sgts and lts around all the time , every captain is a political appointment and over 75 % never passed sgt or lt test
let them earn their $ 125,000
Soperintendent Weiss , assign a few Captain Commanders back to patrol to help out
do you really need commanders in some units with less than 100 officers assigned
Raising the age to 25 will surely limit those who go to college and wish to get a job out of college. Are they really supposed to wait around until they are 25?? No, I am sure they have student loans etc and want to start "the American dream", get married, buy a house, start a family. These regular people will go get another job and say screw being a cop....do you really want to only appeal to those who can't get any other job? or the ones who really want THIS job.
I still say that the "bust out" brother who served as a cook in the Air Force would score higher on the test than his brother with the college degree.
11/03/2010 04:22:00 PM
Whys it gotta be racial, dog.....
Uh, federal law requires one to be 21 to purchase a handgun. 18 yr. old combat vets can't legally own a handgun.
11/03/2010 11:53:00 PM
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But, then again, they're not 18yrs old when they're DISCHARGED from the service.
Anonymous said...
I will be taking the test on Dec 11th. Is there a good study guide to read up on before the exam?
11/03/2010 04:16:00 PM
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No, it's just vocabulary, comprehension, etc. Pretty basic. There's nothing police related on there.
Good Luck!
your seniority DOES NOT transfer over from your cadet time. You can buy pension time for cadet time, but your CPD time is the day your hired as a patrolman and dont let any fool tell you different I was a cadet so I know what I'm talking about Had my seniority transferred over I would have retired 2 years earlier
Off topic: Retired PO William H. Buckner made his transition suddenly on Nov. 2, 2010. After 30 years on the job (from 1960 to 1990) he eventually moved to Henderson, NV. He served in the old48th and Wabash station and was also in communications. A memorial service will be held in Henderson on Sunday, Nov. 7, 2010 at the Community Baptist Church, 245 E. Foster Ave. (1600 hrs.) My Uncle (Sonny) will be greatly missed by his family and friends. He is survived by 4 grown children and his wife Barbara Ann. He was 73 years young.
"Whys it gotta be racial, dog.....
11/04/2010 12:52:00 PM"
it's all in your mind.
A uniform commisary system, maybe that would be a good thing. But everyone likes getting thse checks.
11/04/2010 03:28:00 AM
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That's because the Duty Availability checks as well as the uniform checks are actually considered part of your salary.
And go ask the firemen how they like the commissary system. Or would they prefer the uniform check?
Anonymous said...
A uniform commisary system, maybe that would be a good thing. But everyone likes getting thse checks.
11/04/2010 03:28:00 AM
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That's because the Duty Availability checks as well as the uniform checks are actually considered part of your salary.
And go ask the firemen how they like the commissary system. Or would they prefer the uniform check?
11/04/2010 08:17:00 PM
Uniform check is not pensionable. It should be. So should overtime.
So like now, 14 tear olds are back on-the-job?
im still waiting for yous to drop the school req's, its the only thing stopping me from joining the CPD!!!
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