Number of Applicants?
Someone posted a comment that claims the city received 9,639 applications for the upcoming police test next week. We can't find the article at the moment but WBBM had something about it, too.
That's a few more than we thought would apply and way less than the heydays of the 1980's and 1990's when 30,000 was a regular occurrence. And "applications" doesn't translate into "test takers" by any means.
We're short well over 2,000 and Shortshanks says the city will hire 200 next year. Wow.
That's a few more than we thought would apply and way less than the heydays of the 1980's and 1990's when 30,000 was a regular occurrence. And "applications" doesn't translate into "test takers" by any means.
We're short well over 2,000 and Shortshanks says the city will hire 200 next year. Wow.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
52 Comments:
CPD still has to finish the group of appeals from 2006
Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day.
I wish there were no need for police and we lived in a utopia. I wish all those who applied had better job prospects. I wish the police department was different and we were respected. Well I wish all who are about to come on the beat. This is a bad time to be the police as fair as work goes. But its still a job where you can feed your family. Good luck to all the test takers.
"Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day."
Even as a recent college graduate I would have completely agreed with your statement 8 months ago, but after getting a good job and having employees with no education and some with education under me, I realize that an education is important. People who have finished school seem to be years ahead of the ones who do not. They are able to act individually without having their hand held for every single task. I'm not saying this is 100% true with everyone but in the 8 months as a manager, I haven't seen otherwise. Just because you have college does not mean you cant be street smart. You act like kids from Harvard are applying who have had everything fed to them with a silver spoon. College has been preached to us from birth how important it is as I'm sure those officers who are parents do to their own children. So if I were in your position I would want someone with both an education and street smarts out there on the streets with me.
My self-employed neighbor signed up to get a free physical. He can't afford insurance right now.
Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day.
I agree to a point but why phrase is at one or the other only. I would work with a street smart kid or I could work with a book smart kid. I just want to work with a person with a strong moral fiber who wants to do the job.
"Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day."
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What's to guarantee that you will get someone with "street smarts" just because they have no college. Might just get a moron who does not know the streets either.
While I agree that "street smarts" can be more important that "paper smarts" - I don't think we need anymore "dumb as a box of rocks" idiots who have to be carried by the rest of us because that are too stupid to form a sentence or know the English language. I heard a few on the radio and I thought I was in a third world country and needed a translator.
Dump the college but put in "real" testing that will weed out the morons yet keep those who at least can pass a High School test... a HS diploma these days does not mean anything at most of the local public schools!
"Drop the College" Thanks Archie Bunker, this job has been willing to pay for your education for well over a decade but your to "busy" to take advantage, so in a beat car you still sit. Thanks got it.
I have a question that has been bugging me for a while, and not being a lawyer, thank God, has me perplexed and a little worried. M3 claims to be a "Sworn Police Officer." He has a badge, carries a gun, has responded to calls and even made arrests. Supposedly he got his State Certification by attending a State Certified Academy on the weekends and on line classes.
So, if I want to be the police in Chicago, why do I have to go through the Academy? There is a president set that YOU CAN BE A CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER without ever attending or graduating from the Chicago Police Academy. Can officers from other Departments who have a state certification be made a CPD officer with the wave of a Politicians Clout Stick? If so, what are the criteria?
What about recruits who didn't make it through the academy or who are in now who fail? Can they take a state certification test somewhere then sue to get on the CPD?
If M3 is the Police, are their all kinds of law suits out there just waiting to be filed once someone catches on? And, if M3 isn't the police do any people he assisted in arresting have a lawsuit against the city? It seems to me their got be a wheel barrow full of shit heading toward the Department if some smart lawyer or newspaper person ever catches on. Of course smart lawyers and newspaper reporters is pretty much and oxymoron.
Last I herd from Personel & the Academy, we loose about 1/3 of the applicants at every testing phase.
9000 get the applications,
6300 take the test,
4500 drug testing
3200 take the physcial
2400 move to the psyc test...
Sad numbers... this is whats going to replace us. Even in a fucked up economy, people dont want this job, or dont want to put up with the bullshit we do every day.
The CPD posted on their Facebook page that number. It's legit.
Anonymous said...
Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day. 12/05/2010 02:50:00 AM
I would rather work with someone who doesn't care if I went to college or not instead of some crusty,crabby, bitchy wheel gunner who doesn't like me just because I went to college and he was to dumb to.
Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day.
12/05/2010 02:50:00 AM
Get off the college nonsense. Not all college graduates are idiots nor are they geniuses. Having the degree just shows that they finished something they started. Same thing with being a military veteran although there isn't much chance of quitting and still coming out with an Honorable Discharge. I did both but so have many, many others on this job. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone griped about "college kids got no common sense." It usually comes out of the mouth of someone who also lacks common sense and who overestimates their own level of "street smarts."
I remember taking the test in 1985 and there were about 20,000 strong lined up all the around Lane Tech.
thousands apply, but very very few will ever be hired. two hundred a year .
Chicago Prepares for Single Highest Police Officer Exam in 10 years
.by Chicago Police Department on Friday, December 3, 2010 at 9:07pm.Nearly 9,700 Individuals Invited to Take the Exam December 11, 2010
The City of Chicago today reported that 9,639 individuals are scheduled to take the Police Officer Examination on Saturday, December 11, 2010 at McCormick Place, reaching a record number of applicants in just five weeks time since the Chicago Police Department made the announcement in late October.
The administration of the 2010 police officer examination represents the largest number of applicants who will sit for a police officer examination in the last 10 years. The 9,639 individuals who successfully completed the online application and paid the required fee have been notified to report for the exam.
"I am encouraged by the number of applicants for this exam. There is no greater profession than one in public service. I applaud the men and women who have taken this first step toward a noble and fulfilling career," said Police Superintendent Jody P. Weis.
A total of 13 examinations for the Police Officer position have been given since March 1999. The second highest number of applicants sitting in for one written examination occurred in February 2006 with a total of 4,061 individuals seeking to become Chicago police officers. That was one of four separate exams offered with a total number of 8,859 applicants taking the exam that year.
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36,000 people took the police tests in August and October of 1985.
Two tests were given because an age cutoff to apply of 35 was given at first and there were lawsuits that the city lost.
This was no record by a long shot.
3 of my daughter's friends, all with degrees, applied. They think of it as a "temp" position. Their logic is to accept the position and quit after the 6 months in the Academy hoping the economy has picked up a bit and their fields are hiring more. Makes sense, good pay to work out for 1/2 a year.
It was posted on the CPD Facebook account.
Enough with the "down 2000" BS, SCC. We are currently under budgeted strength by about 1,000. That's it. Absolutely, positively. The Sun-Times keeps saying 2300 because they include people on the medical and furlough on any one day.
Every time you or posters here talk about how we're down thousands, City Hall just laughs at how stupid we are. Stop it already. We'll never have any progress if we don't discuss reality.
Well, that's a small number if you look at how many will show up, pass the physical, psych, and background...any word if they are going to start poygraphing new hires or not??
I agree with Anonymous.
Drop the college requirement for
applicants, teach them the CPD Rule
Book and how to shoot.
Let them shoot to kill because then
the City and the offenders next-of
kin can't come back later to sue
them or bite them in the behind.
Hire upper and lower management that know how to effectively run
the CPD and will back the troops.
The offenders no longer fear the
Police because there is nothing to
deter them, no death penalty, very
little, if any jail time, and a whole posse of do-gooders willing
to go to bat for them and justify their dirty deeds. The populace in
certain sections of the City hate
the Police and don't care when an
officer gets killed or wounded.
But when the shoe is on the other
foot who do they call, The Chicago
Police Department to come to their
rescue. And what's equally disheartening is that the higher-ups, from the Mayor, the Superintendent on down to some of the
local commanders screw-over the
officers under their command and
then expect them to go out on the
streets and give 99 percent.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't tell the officers on the
street to fight crime and if necessary, shoot and kill offenders
and when the " I'm not going to change" crowd runs to the City and
complains, you can't let them hit
the "lottery" and then punish the
officer and throw him under the bus. And while you're at it spend some of that TIF slush money and
buy some decent, late model vehicles for them to patrol with.
inthe 70's 80's & 90's age was 20
bigger pool of applicants
i agree with 2:50 am
some college kids are street smart, most afraid to make a decision without a supervisor
you don't need a supervisor to protect yourself (kick ass) when you are theatened
no boss ever gave approval to kick ass
we didn't abuse citizens in the
70's and 80's , we protected ourselves from being battery victims , nothing wrong with that.
seems like police today are afraid to protect themselves , police officers were being sued then and always will be , protect yourself
someone threatens you , use your nightstick , asp or spray
It's a noble job. We need Police, and especially 2nd generation Police, who , we hope have learned some of the positive aspects of the job, from Kin.......This job will weather the ups and downs of the ecomomy, and supply a paycheck in otherwise uncertain times.Do we want our offspring to witness the underbelly of the street beasts?.probably not..but that said, no-one will stop them ,and in fact encourage them to continue education and maybe on to bigger and better things, as so many of our Brothers and Sisters have done....I'm just sayin...Good Luck and God Bless our future Heroes!
Hey SCC do we still have DISTRICT MANAGERS?
I wish all the test takers the best. The job is changing, it does that, and it not what it was for worse or better but it is still one of the best you can find.
Change and public perception can not be controled but the job will afford a few laughs and a regular check.
Remeber this number includes a large pool of applicants under age 25. They can take the test but must still wait years to be hired. Ridiculous policy.
Get rid of the residency, and you would get people willing to deal with this nonsense!!!!
To all of you current cops out there. The way I look at it. I want to be the police, I want to take shit off the streets to keep my family ten miles away safe. I want to stand up for every officer who lost their life on this job. I do not want to sit on the sidelines scared of the beast, and scared of the changing ways in the world. Being a cop would be an honor, more importantly, being a Chicago cop. To me it isnt about the money or the economy being in the shitter. Be proud of what you are, of who you are. The beast may not respect you, but the rest of the city does.
Keep the college requirement. I would rather work with someone who knows how to use correct grammar and can learn the streets than a mush head who will embarrass me in court.
Anyone get the Duty to work it?
I'll be the one in the Arsenal Hat.
Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day.
12/05/2010 02:50:00 AM
But wouldn't you rather work with a street smart kid who is also book smart?
"Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day."
We need to keep the college folks, it helps keep the gangbangers out or at least to a minimum.
Most of cpd's merit command staff have college degrees . Most were merit clout promoted to rank of sgt lt and capt before being selected as leaders of chicago's finest . It's the chicago way .
..... I went to college and he was to dumb to.
It's "too" dumb, brainiac. I don't know what it is about college kids but I've trained a few and I trained a few hs grads who came from labor jobs or also attained 60hrs. while working. The ones w/4 yr. degrees were the worst...no common sense, pussies and acted like their shit didn't stink. Those assholes made me not want to be an FTO.
That being said, I got on in a south burb at 21 w/only a hs diploma, decided I wanted to get on CPD, picked up my 60 hrs, and now here I am...an invaluable 7 years on the street and a very useless 60 college hours. I learned to write in hs cuz I'm not a retard. A police test should include basic math/reading comp./grammar and a writing sample. Too bad CPD doesn't do lateral hiring, but cop or not, asking for a writing sample is an excellent measure of mental aptitude, I know this from personal experience.
Well, the economy sucks!
People looking for jobs! Not surprising in this shit ass economy!
But, you don't need a College Degree to this job!
It is a common sense job! Something this idiot J-Fled does NOT have! Oh by the way, Fuck You Jodi WEIS! Says, Da Pelon!
Any College Degrees for this job are worthless anyway!
It's all about clout and the dreaded phone call!
Da Pelon
40% of the applicants have no other employment options.
The remaining 60% of the applicants should be "psyched out".
"Drop the College" Thanks Archie Bunker, this job has been willing to pay for your education for well over a decade but your to "busy" to take advantage, so in a beat car you still sit. Thanks got it.
12/05/2010 08:59:00 AM
Sincerly, Tracey Ladner
Drop the College" Thanks Archie Bunker, this job has been willing to pay for your education for well over a decade but your to "busy" to take advantage, so in a beat car you still sit. Thanks got it.
12/05/2010 08:59:00 AM
Get out the red pen:
Please don't tell me you have a college degree. "Your to busy" should be "you're too busy"....duh
Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day.
maybe so, but make sure the dummy that has zero college and barely passed high school can write your as# out of something on paper... unless you want the, "uhmh, he be shot and hes be dead nortificacions is been made ya undastands." this day and age with in car cameras, in car micraphones, endless paper trail etc im gonna want to ride with a street smart kid who can write up a good case report articulating what the fu*k just happened and can formulate a sentence infront of a jury in court... not some idiot who doesnt even know how to speak. CLEARLY i am not stating that if you didnt go to college you are not a great, well spoken, great at writing paper etc copper... I know many coppers who are military men and did not attend college and are fantastic policemen, however i have also met those who have no place even being a police officer... people who couldnt add 2 plus 2 and are protecting people...or even worse, in charge!!
Define "street smart" at the age of 25.
Apply with the feds. CIA, FBI, ATF and U.S. Marshals. Better pension and better employment where you can go directly into investigations rather than "ghetto sitting".
3 of my daughter's friends, all with degrees, applied. They think of it as a "temp" position. Their logic is to accept the position and quit after the 6 months in the Academy hoping the economy has picked up a bit and their fields are hiring more. Makes sense, good pay to work out for 1/2 a year.
Tell them thanks, but no thanks. If hired before others they would be screwing someone out of a spot who really wants it. Not some goof who wants to wait out a bad economy.
We need Police, and especially 2nd generation Police, who , we hope have learned some of the positive aspects of the job, from Kin.......
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Really? I'm sure Daley thinks this is a great idea for any city position. Who knew Kin was a proper nown.
Drop the college. I would rather work with a street smart kid than a book smart kid any day.
12/05/2010 02:50:00
Taking 7 years to get 2 years worth of credits at Wright College doesn't make you book smart.
Well, the economy sucks!
People looking for jobs! Not surprising in this shit ass economy!
But, you don't need a College Degree to this job!
It is a common sense job! Something this idiot J-Fled does NOT have! Oh by the way, Fuck You Jodi WEIS! Says, Da Pelon!
Any College Degrees for this job are worthless anyway!
It's all about clout and the dreaded phone call!
Da Pelon
12/05/2010 07:16:00 PM
You're right, you don't need a college degree to do this job. 2 years worth of community college credits in astrology and welding will do.
"3 of my daughter's friends, all with degrees, applied. They think of it as a "temp" position. Their logic is to accept the position and quit after the 6 months in the Academy hoping the economy has picked up a bit and their fields are hiring more. Makes sense, good pay to work out for 1/2 a year.
12/05/2010 11:09:00 AM"
they wouldn't last 3 weeks coming in with that attitude.
if that.
cpd requires 60 hrs of college credit but test is at an 8th grade reading level .
promotion to lt you need 4yrs of college , but unable to pass a test
don't worry , cpd has merit promotions for the college educated
merit clout babies
how many exempt command staff passed a sgt or lt test
If anyone is wondering why the turnout is so low compared to years past, it's not the economy, nor the college requirement. The online application with the city takes about 2-3 hours if you know what you are doing with some pretty good computer tech skills.
1. Create a City Jobs Profile - Fairly easy and straight forward if you signed up and used email before.
2. Login with the profile and start the application. - Easy
3. Fill in the usual application stuff same as a paper form.
4. Upload your college transcripts or DD214.
If your college is advanced, they may email you a pdf. Mine did, but my pdf was too large. City only accepts 512kb or less. Official PDFs have security features, which exceed the file size.
So you print out the transcripts and then scan them in yourself. I don't know too many standard home PCs with scanners. Even fewer that will scan into a PDF format.
This step alone probably stopped a good number of "just trying out" people.
4. Answer all the questions that yes, you did upload your transcripts and your driver's license.
Crap they want a scan of your driver's license? Back to Kinko's or a buddy's place with a scanner.
5. Submit, then wait for an email.
6. Pay your $30 via CC and then you are finally applied.
It's much different from the days when anyone could walk in, pick up a paper application, write it in, and submit it.
I consider myself extremely technical, and it took me 4 hours to start to finish cause of the funky file size limits.
There are probably some good candidates that didn't want to put up with the changing requirements (first no under 25, then ok, but you can't get hired until 25), the complicated city HR system with outdated file size limitations, and then having to pay for the exam on top of it.
we'll lose half of them right away when they figure out that they can't wear their pants wrapped around their knees and their bloomers blowing in the breeze....
refering to an earlier comment, i wnt to know how an ofc from another deprtment with a state cert just walks onto CPD? i took the test in 06 and it was determined by some POS investigator that i wasnt cpd material becuase i wrecked a squad and missed a court date......their jutifiction was that i would have been disciplined by cpd as well......good luck with appeals b/c they dont do shit, so im back to square 1 after 7 yrs of suburban work. also, being that i have been a life long city resident and from a family of POs, how does one claim the city is only down 1k officers when you lose huge numbers to retirement every month and only hire two classes of 40-somthing to replace them? seems to me like some brass felt the need to voice their bs opinion. and however i dont agree that college makes better cops becuase i have schooling and learned more from street sense than school, do you vets with 15 yrs on the job want to be partnered up with a 21y/o who spent the last 4 yrs of his life drinking all week? i think its a maturity thing.....and 200 hires wont cover the retirees that cpd has lost in the last 3 months. maybe im jut rambling, but whether it be a book smart or a street mart, cpd needs bodies. and i dont know why they wouldnt look at ppl who hve been the police already? accelerated training? if your already an ofc you dont take another certification. you learn cpd ordinances and ways etc.....
might i add "budgeted strength"........is that b/c the city has so many fucking brass exempts makin twice what they should for doing nothing?? if you want to pay me over 100g a year to sit and listen to my ipod......i have no problem with it.
M3 is considered "police" by data warehouse standards only. Yes, he is went to some suburban academy and I assume he took and passed the state exam. However, he is not part of the rank and file. The city did make a booboo by allowing this. The other civilians that are considered "police" was because of their fed background. Like it or not, that could stand a debate. But M3's situation has great potential to explode, implode, etc. Once he is gone from that spot, he will not resume his duties in the beat car, he is gone. period. I want our timekeeper to go to a weekend academy, take the state test, and tell the department they will start coming to work with a gun. let's see how that would work. i want to start a pool to convince her to do it!
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