Pension Bill Highlights (UPDATED)
From a Mike Shields e-mail:
- Here is a well written e-mail by one of the lobbyists explaining the bill.
The benefit changes will only impact police & fire employees that are newly hired into positions covered by the pension code on or after January 1, 2011. Current employee’s benefits will not be affected by this legislation.
The highlights of the bill include the following elements which are standardized retirement benefits for all new public safety employees who enter the Articles 3 (downstate police), 4 (downstate fire), 5 (Chicago police), 6 (Chicago fire), and/or 7 (IMRF-SLEP) on or after 1/1/2011.
1. No change in employee contributions.
2. Maximum benefit will be 75% of final average salary* at 30 years of service and 55 years of age.
3. Final average salary* is defined as “the average monthly salary obtained by dividing the total salary of the police officer during the 96consecutive months of service within the last 120 months of service in which the total salary was the highest by the number of months of service in that period.” (ie - best 8 of last 10 years)
4. Maximum salary for pension purposes is capped at $106,800 for 2011. The cap will be increased each year thereafter by 3% or ½ of CPI-U whichever is less.
5. Survivors annuity benefits will be 66 2/3 of the deceased employee’s salary at time of death.
6. COLAs – Both retirees and survivors will receive COLAs equal to 3% or ½ of CPI-U the year after their 60th birthday.
The bill contains authorization for future pension fund studies.
It also includes some very important and momentous funding compliance language that is designed to insure that our funds remain stable and solvent for all current and future public safety retirees and employees.
While the coalition was opposed to some of the benefit reductions for new employees we were successful in maintaining current employees’ benefits, all contribution levels, minimizing benefit reductions for new employees, and much to the disappointment of municipal employers - securing meaningful funding compliance language for all of the funds. We will continue to work with the Senate leadership to minimize any additional adverse impact for new employees.
The legislation is now in the Senate for concurrence. We anticipate that the Senate will act on this bill in the next 24 to 48 hours.
The full text of the bill can be read here.
UPDATE: a number of people are pointing out the summary listed above was actually authored by a PBPA Lawyer named Sean Smoot. If someone has the link to the original, we'll link it.
UPDATE: The link
UPDATE: a number of people are pointing out the summary listed above was actually authored by a PBPA Lawyer named Sean Smoot. If someone has the link to the original, we'll link it.
UPDATE: The link
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posted by SCC at 7:01 AM
164 Comments:
We will continue to work with the Senate leadership. Mike, who is we, if you met with anyone tomorrow that would be a first. The we is FOP and Local 2, they saw you standing around outside the chambers, you don't know who to talk to and didn't talk to anyone. Where was your your lobbyist, working for Rahm?
Any cop or fireman working for these scum should hang their heads in shame. Are you happy now? They really took care of you.
The rest of us should contact our elected representatives and voice our disapproval of this bullshit. If you don't call, you deserve what they do to you!
This last election should have shown them that the people will hold them accountable. They better reduce THEIR pension benefits before they touch OURS!
this won't pass the senate,shortshanks won't allow it!
Hi SCC. Thanks for keeping the fire burning these last years. I also thank God/Odin/Cthulu for Box Chevy Phantom! If I were a tenth as witty as him! I found one of my old posts where I tried to sound the clarion call about our pensions from 2006(!) and thought I'd cut and paste it here as a poignant "Are We Awake YET?/Sky Falls as Chicken Little eats Kentucky Fried Human" moment.
10/14/2006 11:13:00 AM
Blogger Schicklegroover said...
…and not a penny to our sinking pension fund. If Daley EVER planned on fixing that sinking ship wouldn’t a windfall this size be the opportunity? If not now, then when? That’s right, never. Do we need any more proof that the city is going to let the fund collapse? Mathematically, the fund MUST have the proper contributions in order to generate enough interest $$ to pay out to retirees in the future. As the time period without contributions increases the future income stream source dries up faster and faster, toward the end, depleting exponentially. It will be a mathematical impossibility to fix this if we don’t act now. We had better start making some noise. The city is relying on our usual complacency. Fuck the math. Let’s have fun while my kid is still asleep. A satirical analogy:
A ship, the S.S. PENSION FUND, (not a temporary lifeboat but one your children must live on also) has a leak. You begin bailing it out and no one is all that worried. This goes on a long time and projections by the damage control team are that the ship will be watertight long enough for those over the age of about 50 to die of old age above water. “What about the rest of us and our children,” wonder the soot covered crew in engineering?
CONTINUED
A few whiners onboard keep saying we should fix the leak instead of just barely keeping up with the flooding. Most think, “why bother when everything is fine, as long as you keep bailing out water? “ Fred O. Plenary, the ship’s Bursar/Entertainment Director says, through a mouthful of steak, that he agrees something should be done but it is not a contract issue. Also not a contract issue was the recent proposal to rename the ship the “S.S. Fuck this Crew,“ but F.O. Plenary fought against that so why can‘t he fight for something much more important? The crew suspects this is bullshit and that the real reason is that he has been sleeping with the Captain in exchange for special duty assignments and extra rations while they survive on a meager diet of hardtack and jerky. The source of the leak widens and it takes more effort to control but the crew can barely bail because they are sick or dying. Captain Flowerpot, who has always hated his crew and barely makes a secret of it, chooses that time to make the already ailing Ship’s Surgeon walk the plank where he is, of course, eaten by the Aldercreatures of the deep, a species that swims in “councils“ and exists in secrecy at 20,000 fathoms. The crew knew this was coming but hoped F.O. Plenary would protect the Surgeon and thus their medical needs AT THE LAST FUCKING MINUTE. Captain Flowerpot knows there is enough room in the lifeboat for him and his handpicked few, so fuck the crew. The crew has always wondered why they are the only ship in the sea who has a lifeboat for the Captain and Officers that is actually LARGER and more SEAWORTHY than the ship itself and why they are constantly ordered to move food and medical supplies to it in the dark of night. They struggle on but having waited too long, no amount of baling (or whining) can keep up because they didn’t plug the leak when it was still possible, didn‘t fight to keep their Ship‘s Surgeon alive and counted on a crooked Entertainment Director and Staff to lead their “mutiny” though he showed time and again that they were only in it for the rations and rum.
This will be no different then the multitude of private corporations in bankruptcy, whose pensions were “insured” by a federal program, the pension benefit guaranty corporation. Don’t believe the State of IL. “guarantees” our pensions The state doesn’t have that kind of money nor the inclination to fix the city’s willful screw ups.
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They struggle on but having waited too long, no amount of baling (or whining) can keep up because they didn’t plug the leak when it was still possible, didn‘t fight to keep their Ship‘s Surgeon alive and counted on a crooked Entertainment Director and Staff to lead their “mutiny” though he showed time and again that they were only in it for the rations and rum.
This will be no different then the multitude of private corporations in bankruptcy, whose pensions were “insured” by a federal program, the pension benefit guaranty corporation. Don’t believe the State of IL. “guarantees” our pensions The state doesn’t have that kind of money nor the inclination to fix the city’s willful screw ups.
Mike you are the greatest.
I love how the FOP guys claim that Shields has rants on his facebook about the benefits for officers being too extreme. Try another strategy guys. Probably the same guy that said Shields is the nephew of the mayor or nephew of an indicted judge. FOP feels threatened by somebody that actually does his job.
Sean Smoot is taking legal action against Shields for stealing Smoot's pension memo. Poor Mike.
FOP (FLOP)......Do us ALL a favor and STAY OFF THE BLOG!!!!
Hey Mike you better read the Tribune article "Chicago pushes back on pension reform" the bill did not pass the senate. I guess if Sean Smoot didn't write about it you wouldn't know.
I received a follow up email saying that the bill was pulled at the last minute and isn't out of the house...what does that mean..and what is the problem?
"Senate President John Cullerton said lawmakers are working on follow-up legislation to address concerns with the bill, including those by the city. But any changes won't come until after New Year's, and Cullerton warned that the city will have to put up more money no matter what."
"In one of the more significant provisions of the bill, Chicago's contributions would be pegged to actuarial calculations rather than the current formula, which has allowed the city to contribute only a fraction of what is required to cover retirement promises made to city workers."
I just do not believe that this bill is the end of legislation regarding police and fire pensions. I just do not believe it.
Thanks for the updates, Mike.
It's nice to see that at least one of our elected trustees is disseminating pertinent information regarding this most pressing matter.
Where are our other elected memebers that sit on the board??? (crickets chirping)...And I won't even get started on the BOUGHT AND PAID FOR, SOLD-THEIR-SOULS TO THE DEVIL DALEY-APPOINTED PENSION BOARD MEMBERS...THEY SHOULD BE TARRED AND FEATHERED ALONGSIDE DALEY AND THE 50 ALDERCREATURES.
Mike truly has our best interests in mind, and it's obvious he has the tenacity and gumption to make waves and get the job done, even though it may appear to be slow-going at this juncture. We know these things don't happen overnight, Mike, but allow me to thank you for a job well done so far. Keep up the good work...we need you to make a run for FOP President now. And if that is your intention, please do a total house cleaning on your ballot...we need fresh blood and fresh ideas to bring this organization out of the rut that we currently occupy, and the stagnation in the current FLOP just won't cut it.
And while on the topic of "bought & paid for", the clock ticks and the bell tolls for you useless pricks that hold the ranks over at FLOP.
What coalition is Shields talking about? As a pension trustee I don't think he belongs to any coalition pushing pension legislation in Springfield. Prolly b/c the letter you are attributing to him isn't his. It's just 1. copy 2. paste 3. take credit - for our man Mike Shields.
Ask Sean Smoot who wrote the letter.
Am I reading it correctly? No more gold-braid pensions? Finally!
There are hundreds of useless fucks that have already gotten a gold-braid pension, but at least this legislation is a start and will keep future useless fucks from receiving a bloated, excessive pension.
I am not interested in Mike Shield's plagiarized reporting from Sringfield. How about telling us exactly WHAT YOU DID FOR US down there instead, kid? No story there, huh?
5. Survivors annuity benefits will be 66 2/3 of the deceased employee’s salary at time of death.
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Isn't #5 written incorrectly?
Unless something has changed, the survivor(s) of a non-retired, active-service employee that dies under other than line of duty or performance of duty circumstances, would receive a refund of the deceased employee's contributions. The survivor(s) would not receive an annuity, as the employee was not retired at the time of death nor killed in the line of duty nor died while in the performance of duty.
However, the survivor(s) of a deceased retiree would receive a survivor's annuity.
#5 should be written:
5. The survivor's annuity benefit will be calculated at 66 2/3 % of the deceased RETIREE'S monthly annuity in effect at the time of the retiree's death.
No?
Is Shields a reporter now? If yes, then he shouyld write his own material.
EVeryone: Please copy and paste the original post into a google search. Use the whole post as a google search. It comes back, word for word, to a pension update written by the PBPA. What gives?
Unrelated, but while sitting in branch 43-2 this morning I was able to observe exactly what is wrong with our legal system. Officers were sitting in court by 8:45AM...the arrogant Judge David A Skryd would arrive in court 45 min later. No apology given, not an acknowledgment of any kind to excuse his inconsideration of the ASA's or Police Officers. Funny enough that the 3rd case that was called, the ASA read from a note that was given to him by the court Sgt..."The Ofc is running late your honor... (judge) WHAT? (asa) The officer is running late Judge, I was handed a note from the court Sgt stating that the officer is OTW. (judge) YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR OFC ------?!?!? YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR AN OFC???? The way that Judge David A Skryd said it made my stomach turn! Yes you pompous FUCK!!! Yes, we waited why cant you?!?! THIS COCK SUCKING ARROGANT PRICK SHOWS UP 30 MIN LATE TO HIS 3 HOUR A DAY JOB AND WANTS TO TALK SHIT??? Best part about the whole thing is 15 min later court was in recess! I've had Judge David A Skryd in branch 44 also, and he was a prick there too. Sorry, had to share my morning with you guys.
I don't think that is Shields letter, SCC.
So this means that I can't collect until I'm 55? That's old...
Finally, someone addresses those money thieves called " investment advisors". I do not know who initiated the move but it is a very good start. The next step would be to get the " trustees" on board. Maybe, the elected ones will get the message of their fiduciary responsibility and disdain from the " free" trips and take their charter serious.
No more cds, cmbs, cdo and the rest of those nonsensical derivatives.
old retired guy
I am going to try and be positive. The politicians are hopefully cooking up some type of Casino scheme for the lakefront.
That would definately save our pension fund and pump money into the city. And hopefully thats why shortshanks is leaving because they wouldnt trust him with that!
Screwed again.
I wonder is SMoot gave Shields authorization to copy and post his memo.
Does anyone know if you're already in IMRF and get hired by another IMRF agency after 1/1/11 if you're grandfathered in or not
No COLA for recent retirees.
At least the bill covers the gold braid clout bosses
How about doing limits on pensions? Our so to be ex-mayor will get how many pensions? One from the state, another from the county, and also one from the city? Perhaps that's why there's so much trouble with funding?
One of the bitching things about this is that the people that caused this mess by not making the state's payments-the politicians-are not going to have their pensions touched.
Funny how when politicians talk of "shared sacrifice" it never includes them.
The PBPA is part of a labor "coalition." Shields is not. Why would you post something that PBPA wrote as if it came from Shields?
It makes me sick to hear the thief Daley talking about the dangers and burdon that the pension could place on tax payers. I just wish some politician would call him out about the mismanagement and corrupt borrowing Daley and his crew did with the pension money. I wish the media or someone would give what he did to the pension more attention and that the pension would be much stronger if he didn't lend it to his friends. I believe one politician did point out to Daley that during the 25 years of pension destruction he was the Mayor. HEY MEDIA, START CALLING DALEY OUT ABOUT WHAT HE DID TO THE PENSION!!!!!!
I know when Mike ran for the pension board he seemed like he would be a breath of fresh air. He promised to increase the funding. It was on his campaign material. The funding has gone down in his two year term. He has not accomplished anything at the board.
passed the senate today too..
meeks voted nay to fix and fund our pensions fyi
If I had did this in college (Plagiarism). I would have received an "F" from my professor. Mike are you that stupid? Sharp dresser though.
This bill seems like a big mistake. Although the money is now "guaranteed", what is to say that a future administration won't strike the guarantees? Who will fight for us? The next generation of our brothers in blue that we sold out on a two tier system? Fat chance on that. These negotiations should take place at contract negotiations. But we have an FOP that settles for less money than was origionally offered at contract time.
The city is strongly objecting to this stating that it would unfairly burden the taxpayers. To that I say STFU! The city is who has underfunded our pension and aided and abetted as our pension fund began its decade long decline. They caused these problems and now don't like the fact that the legislature wants them to pony up and play fair. All of these rotten politicians ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Thank goodness for the FOP insider lobbyist O'Toole who finally showed his face in Springfield. Too bad he's f-d all the other unions!
Anonymous said...
Thank goodness for the FOP insider lobbyist O'Toole who finally showed his face in Springfield. Too bad he's f-d all the other unions!
12/02/2010 03:06:00 PM
'YOU GOT THAT RIGHT' IS HE FINALLY EARNING SOME OF THE MONEY PAID TO HIM IN THE LAST 15 YEARS?
M.S. is in way over his head! We need
real professionals on the pension board.
How about an Attorney or CPA on the job?
Anonymous said...
Hey Mike you better read the Tribune article "Chicago pushes back on pension reform" the bill did not pass the senate. I guess if Sean Smoot didn't write about it you wouldn't know.
12/02/2010 08:36:00 AM
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Hey loser, you better read the TRIBUNE article dated 02 Dec 2010 called:
Senate passes pension bill that would make Chicago pay up
I guess you forgot to look at the front page online at the Trib, eh?
PASSED 46-4 dude, looks like your time in the FOP is just about up I guess.
Anonymous said...
So this means that I can't collect until I'm 55? That's old...
12/02/2010 10:22:00 AM
Are you a new hire, after Jan 1, 2011?
Read the thing.
In short, you can't collect a thing, shut up and go to work.
Let the hosing begin. We are going to get so screwed on our pensions. Put money in def comp and an IRA so you know you'll have some money when you're finally done. Social Security and our pension are both broke.
I love how the FOP guys claim that Shields has rants on his facebook about the benefits for officers being too extreme. Try another strategy guys. Probably the same guy that said Shields is the nephew of the mayor or nephew of an indicted judge. FOP feels threatened by somebody that actually does his job.
12/02/2010 08:26:00 AM
Friend him and see for yourself, moron.
Is anyone tired yet of reading all the Mike Shields comments about how wonderful he is and how we should be so honored to have him as our FOP pres? Mike, does it ever get old. Stop with the bullshit updates and tell us WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING IN SPINGFIELD. WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED? wE can read the paper or PBPS website for updates.
Anonymous said...
Unrelated, but while sitting in branch 43-2 this morning I was able to observe exactly what is wrong with our legal system. Officers were sitting in court by 8:45AM...the arrogant Judge David A Skryd would arrive in court 45 min later. No apology given, not an acknowledgment of any kind to excuse his inconsideration of the ASA's or Police Officers. Funny enough that the 3rd case that was called, the ASA read from a note that was given to him by the court Sgt..."The Ofc is running late your honor... (judge) WHAT? (asa) The officer is running late Judge, I was handed a note from the court Sgt stating that the officer is OTW. (judge) YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR OFC ------?!?!? YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR AN OFC???? The way that Judge David A Skryd said it made my stomach turn! Yes you pompous FUCK!!! Yes, we waited why cant you?!?! THIS COCK SUCKING ARROGANT PRICK SHOWS UP 30 MIN LATE TO HIS 3 HOUR A DAY JOB AND WANTS TO TALK SHIT??? Best part about the whole thing is 15 min later court was in recess! I've had Judge David A Skryd in branch 44 also, and he was a prick there too. Sorry, had to share my morning with you guys.
That fucking jag off is always late! I thght it was a one time deal but i have heard from several officers that he has come as late as 10:00. Yet if a PO are late u get a spar. Us against them. This whole county is a fucking sham.
Anonymous said...
I am going to try and be positive. The politicians are hopefully cooking up some type of Casino scheme for the lakefront.
That would definately save our pension fund and pump money into the city. And hopefully thats why shortshanks is leaving because they wouldnt trust him with that!
12/02/2010 11:18:00 AM
Don't be so sure. They would just continue with the tradition of chicago corruption and send the money into one of their many friends bank accounts.
WTF no 3% cola for officers born after jan 1, 1955
free health insurance but no pension increse until age 60
ask Pam Zekman to follow him , she caught a few judges last year with their short work days
kinda like CAPS officers
Anonymous said...
meeks voted nay to fix and fund our pensions fyi
12/02/2010 02:14:00 PM
meeks is going to have problems staying on the ballot, petitiongate is unfolding.
Off Topic:
Can ANYONE tell me if the District Managers have been written out of the 2011 budget.
[PDF] PENSION LEGISLATION UPDATE FROM: SEAN SMOOT
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benefits for all new public safety employees who enter the Articles 3 ... It also includes some very important and momentous funding compliance ... designed to insure that our funds remain stable and solvent for all current and future public ... While the coalition was opposed to some of the benefit reductions for ...
www.pbpa.org/downloads/announcements/54-pension.../download
If you were born before 1955 yes you have the COLA and if you were born after 1955 if should be taken care of the Jan. session.
Too bad Mike is reporting this. WE needed HIM down there last month when this bill was being written not being a reporter. But Mike Madigan just ignores him. I am a 40 year friend of McCarthy of Orland. His father was CPD and his older brother is a retired suburban copper.
Daley is going nuts because they will be forced to fund at 100% level by 2015 if not the state controller will with hold the tax money from the city and send it the pension board. Why is Daley going nuts? He will not be the mayor? He must still have plans to have his greasy fingers in our pockets somehow!
"This last election should have shown them that the people will hold them accountable."
Not in Illinois. Less than a dozen State Rep and Sentate seats changed hands. NOTHING CHANGED. City Worker heavy wards all voted overwhelmingly for more of the same.
It is actually a release from the Illinois Public Pension Fund Association. It can be found here. http://www.ippfa.org/
OFF-TOPIC
From Chicago Breaking News:
"December 2, 2010 3:42 PM |
A former student at Washington High School in the East Side neighborhood on the Far Southeast Side has been charged with returning to the school with a loaded gun.
Eutimio Rodriguez, 18, of the 13100 block of South Avenue O, was also carrying a piece of paper with the names of police officers and their photos, but authorities had no other details."
Daley was stuttering and ranting that it will raise taxes 550 million dollars....gee, how about cutting 550 milion from budget and you won't have to raise taxes. I guess the liberal elitist never thought of that..he's a Democrat!!!!!
working for Rahm? Rahm has nothing to do with this keep it Jermain to the issue.
Any cop or fireman working for these scum should hang their heads in shame. Are you happy now? They really took care of you.
The rest of us should contact our elected representatives and voice our disapproval of this bullshit. If you don't call, you deserve what they do to you!
Are you nuts or you can't read it DOES NOT EFFECT YOU ONLY THE NEW PEOPLE IF THEY DON"Y LIKE IT DON"T The tax payer
We need gambling down town - some of the profit can go into our pension funds, because it was not our fault it was Daley and the mob.
It also appears on the IAFFI website - verbatim. Somebody plagiarized something.
http://www.affi-iaff.org/index.cfm?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&homeID=183177
Sorry OT - Will St. Xavier please respect the neighborhood that it is in. If you want to know what I'm taking about please check out the banners surrounding the mostly european catholic area.
(103rd-Pulaski-111th) I hope you don't have to move that precious bell again, like you had to do when the hood went bad on cottage grove. Stop catering to the non-catholics & non-paying MB and pay attention to the catholics that pay your bills. I'm really pissed and will not support this school in anyway and hope others feel the same...holy God
The link is from:
www.pbpa.org
It is on the home page.
Sean Smoot for those who don't know IS THE PBPA. The PBPA puts a lot of trust in to this guy...
Holy fuck.
This is what is wrong with FOP - no one can fucking read.
No where did Shields take credit for that info!! HIS FIRST FUCKING LINE: "Here is a well written e-mail by one of the lobbyists explaining the bill."
Now I'm convinced. FOP is truly running scared.
This bill seems like a big mistake. Although the money is now "guaranteed", what is to say that a future administration won't strike the guarantees? Who will fight for us? The next generation of our brothers in blue that we sold out on a two tier system? Fat chance on that. These negotiations should take place at contract negotiations. But we have an FOP that settles for less money than was origionally offered at contract time.
Are you on crack? So you believe Mayor Di*khead when he said that Fop turned down 16.5%. You must be a great cop. You missed the part about the furlough days. Da Mayor wanted us to take Furlough days. Do you want to take 24 furlough days? Do you want to take any unpaid furlough days? Most of us with a brain don't want to take furlough days. You could go to a meeting and get the facts. You could raed the newsletter and get the facts or you could believe Da Mayor. Sorry about the name calling, but if you READ about what is going on here and all over the country you will see that the raise with no give backs, no increases in healthcare (first time in my career)and you throw in the work schedule and the healthcare package at 55. This was a great contract in these times. If you don't believe me pick up the latest edition on American Police Beat. Everybody in the country is short officers and citiesw like Atlantic City, New Jersey, San Diego and many others are laying off hundreds of cops. Please check it out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am going to try and be positive. The politicians are hopefully cooking up some type of Casino scheme for the lakefront.
That would definately save our pension fund and pump money into the city. And hopefully thats why shortshanks is leaving because they wouldnt trust him with that!
12/02/2010 11:18:00 AM
It would save the pensions. However, the politicians can't help but steeling it for other purposes.
Funding the pensions won't allow them to line the pockets of contractors and themselves.
Unless they have their own investment fund.
Everyone except the current police officers and firefighters realize and acknowledge that in order to save the pension funds the benefits of current employees will have to be reduced. They are openly talking about it and I believe it is coming next year or the year after. The accountants do not believe the funds can survive unless this happens. It is not possible to raise enough tax money to save the funds . So, just keep fooling yourselves into believing that this current bill which is on Quinn's desk for signature is the final word. And, if the alderman, legislators and judges do not take the same hit, what are you really going to do about it? In reality, nothing. It is a very bad scene coming straight at us.
Where the fuck is it being invested??!!??
Well Mike Shields I may not vote for you but at minimum thanks for shaking up the apple cart at the stale FOP. It is obvious they are running scared. In my humble opinion Shields has done a great job at the pension board. However, that does not translate into the makings of an effective FOP President. Plenty of smarts and balls. The negative issues for Shields are: he is too young, unproven and lacks experience. The current FOP made a critical mistake when they chose Bella over Dougherty for President. Dougherty is a bright guy and a hard worker. By all accounts very knowledgeable about Union issues. I think he would have made a good President. Conversely, I and almost everybody I talk to have little to no faith in Mr. Bella. It's an important election and hope to hear from other candidates as well. I hope other officers will keep an open mind to the ideas of the candidates as opposed to 8th grade girl sniping.
Hey dipshits at the FOP, read the first sentence morons: "Here is a well written e-mail by one of the lobbyists explaining the bill." Translation for language to difficult to understand for our dynamic think tank at the FOP, it's not his e-mail. God can we please get someone over there who can fucking read!
Duty Disabled Police Officers screwed again. No progress on their benefits since the FOP formed a committee. This was a great opportunity to do something. Thank!
Saw the Mayou asswipe on the news tonight, boy was he pissed about this bill vowed to fight it and asked the Gov not to sign it. And shame on all the Alder asses that were on the news agreeing with him.
A few weeks ago FOP reps came to our roll call and flaunted that they will shoot down the two tier system and said that the last thing they want us to worry about is the pension as we hit the streets. Said the city will NEVER go bankrupt and pension isn't going anywhere. Sugar coated everything as if we were dumb asses. Our job is to see threw lies. WTF? did they were talking to a bunch of second graders. This two tier system shouldn't have happened so quickly if at all. Kinda saw it coming though when they raised the hiring age to 25. Let me do the math 25yrs at hire plus 30yrs of service for max pension = retirement age of 55. Oh wow!
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Daley typical scare tactics. Let me ask something that the media has not asked so far...They both, media and this corrupt government, admit they we are over 2300 police officers short...right? So lets do the math 2300 X $75,000 a year on average with benefits (Probably a little more) ='s $172,500,000 in savings a year not staffing the police department to levels its supposed to be. Where the fuck is this money? Huh Mr fucking asshole Daley? Where is this money? This piece shit is talking about the largest property tax increase in the citys history because now this fucking wiesel will be forced by the state to fund our pensions. When will these maggots be held accountable? People like Daley are the biggest slime balls on this planet...fuckin asshole!
The cities pension problems have only just begun people. This first bill is just the foot in the door of many cuts to follow my friends.
Why you ask?
Private sector employees have seen massive wage cuts over the last several years of 30, 40, 50% as corporations continue to use off-shore wage arbitration - sending jobs out of this country for executive bonuses and corporate profits.
The citizens are not going to stand for public pensions and pay being status quo as their lifestyles get hacked apart.
Where'd all that bailout money go?
It went to China.
Where will more tax breaks go for the wealthy running the corporations if we award them?
To China. The myth about creating jobs here when you give tax breaks is an insult to one's intelligence in this economy.
What CEO is going to choose even a USA min-wage worker of $8/hr when they have over a billion people in China to choose from that will work longer and harder for $0.75/hour.
There's no tax break large enough to make USA labor competitive and if by chance we do make it large enough we might just as well hand out the welfare directly to the affected and eliminate the CEO middle man skimming the proceeds
Newsflash: The bailout money has left the country and the tickle down money to support our pensions went with it.
Thank them won't you for idling the workforce, eliminating the middle class taxpayers, AND eliminating the very tax revenue that was supporting our pensions.
Where's the money going to come from?
Does the city elite really think that they are going to fund our pensions with temporary part-time min-wage Wal-Mart workers? Come-on!
The middle class taxpayers are tapped out. They are getting angrier by the day as the economy continues on its race to third world status with these banana republic-like oligarchs and politicians running the show.
The taxpayers are not going to continue to stand for what they consider glorious city wages and pensions with the beating they are currently taking.
It's all unsustainable!
Their own social security will come under attack with the upcoming austerity programs as well. It's not going to be pretty
As the corporations continue to off-shore jobs real estate prices continue to fall and languish and how much more in property tax increases do you think that they are going to take?
Meanwhile 120,000 Illinoisan's and over 2 million others across the nation are getting kicked off extended unemployment benefits as we speak. We better hope that the so-called best and brightest running these companies figure out how to leverage their knowledge and abilities and creates some living wage work as I fear the consequences if they do not.
Horrifying!!!! Our property taxes will make our homes unsellable, and us broke. Funny...b/c the people committing most the crimes which require the police in the first place, don't pay property taxes and live off of government handouts which we pay. So,we pay for the criminals and those that may protect us from them. It's like funding both sides of a war. Korea
One of the last things to happen before a third world banana republic falls is that it's treasury is raided by it's leaders.
(OT) Now Camden NJ is laying off many officers "America's second most dangerous city"! Here we have many smaller depts laying off or talking about it, why do we elect these idiots! Here you go stop all the free shit,all the free shit to illegals and their kids. Now the illegals want the "dream act"free college tuition for the illegal kids of the illegal parents and the elected are looking to pass this bill! Look at this about Camden something to think about!
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2010/12/02/camden-city-council-approves-massive-police-and-fire-layoffs/
mayor mumbles here is complaining about our pension being funded,maybe Pat Fitz should go after him and his whole family than stole hundreds of millions,we would not need change if they did not lie and cheat!
Why does everyone keep saying plagiarism? If anyone took the time to read Mikes original e-mail he says the material is not his. He suggests it as additional reading to understand what's going on with the bill. He even provides the link to the original text.
Complain, complain, complain. Why don't the majority of you stop being sheep. Make informed decisions. Do your homework. Stop being lazy. And take an active role in your, and your families, future. Stop expecting these politicians to do everything for you. That includes our own elected FOP representatives. Question everything they do. Do your research.
"Here is a well written e-mail by one of the lobbyists explaining the bill."
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Get a grip. That line was not put in until SCC updated the post this evening.
Daley was stuttering and ranting that it will raise taxes 550 million dollars....gee, how about cutting 550 milion from budget and you won't have to raise taxes. I guess the liberal elitist never thought of that..he's a Democrat!!!!!
12/02/2010 06:50:00 PM
I would point out that Daley would be the same Shithead if he was Republican.
Political Party affiliation has Dick to do with anything once the assholes get into a position of power in this city and 99% of the Readers of this blog know this.
In my humble opinion Shields has done a great job at the pension board. However, that does not translate into the makings of an effective FOP President.
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The first part is horseshit. what exactly has shields done? He promised to secure better funding. He's done N-O-T-H-I-N-G on that front. Not even tried anything! However, I do agree with the second part.
FOP ain't running scared. FOP will eat Shields for lunch when he has to talk about real issues. Shields is a big phony.
Duty Disabled Police Officers screwed again. No progress on their benefits since the FOP formed a committee. This was a great opportunity to do something. Thank!___________________________________
Are you goofy! What the F#*&^ are you talking about? You sound like one of those nitwits that wants to carry your gun while on duty disability and run a 10K, but you can’t work light duty.
NEXT.........................
Anonymous said...
A few weeks ago FOP reps came to our roll call and flaunted that they will shoot down the two tier system and said that the last thing they want us to worry about is the pension as we hit the streets. Said the city will NEVER go bankrupt and pension isn't going anywhere. Sugar coated everything as if we were dumb asses. Our job is to see threw lies. WTF? did they were talking to a bunch of second graders. This two tier system shouldn't have happened so quickly if at all. Kinda saw it coming though when they raised the hiring age to 25. Let me do the math 25yrs at hire plus 30yrs of service for max pension = retirement age of 55. Oh wow!
12/02/2010 09:14:00 PM
Two tier is for new hires, NEW HIRES, I knew this was happening, anyone who has gone to FOP meetings over the past year or read the FOP newsletter regularly knew this.
The only question was how would it affect current employees.
We got the answer: No affect for current employees and a mandated funding mechanism.
Good for us. Under the circumstances the best we could have hoped for.
Think about this, currently we get 75% after 29 and a day, that's 30 pension years.
New hires get 75% after 30 years, 29 and a day. We thought it would go down to 72%, it didn't.
Instead of highest 4 out of 10 they get highest 8 out of 10.
Instead of getting out at 50 it is now 55. It was like that during the career of many current old timers.
In a difficult time we did OK.
Off Topic: Any news on the murder of PO Blake?
Is Area 1 close to solving the case? Will there be any reward money offered to help solve this homicide?
i cant believe how fucked people are when mike shields posts an article that states that its " from one of the lobbyists of the bill" right in the first line all some people can do is scream plagarism and attack shields instead of recognizing what is going on with our pension. you people are an embarassment to everything we stand for so go away..please
SCC,
Shaved has imbeded the speech that Mike Flisk's daughter gave at his funeral Mass, can you please do likewise on a post?
These are my thoughts on that speech:
Wow!!!
I am speechless, what a beautiful and truly moving speech. Every copper should watch this.
I don't cry very easily but this really moved me.
I didn't know Mike but judging by his wonderful family he must have been one Hell of a good man.
I will keep the Flisk family in my prayers and I will ask the Lord to provide the strength and grace they need to carryon.
God Bless the Flisk family and Mike R.I.P.
How about a posting about the asshole that entered a High School with pictures and names of police officers wearing a gun on his ankle. Fucking hit list on cops now that are working the schools.
The cities pension problems have only just begun people. This first bill is just the foot in the door of many cuts to follow my friends.
Why you ask?
Private sector employees have seen massive wage cuts over the last several years of 30, 40, 50% as corporations continue to use off-shore wage arbitration - sending jobs out of this country for executive bonuses and corporate profits.
Thank you well done- and he lets you most the truth. Beautiful. Truth be told for once.
This two tier system shouldn't have happened so quickly if at all. Kinda saw it coming though when they raised the hiring age to 25. Let me do the math 25yrs at hire plus 30yrs of service for max pension = retirement age of 55. Oh wow!
They saved your ass maybe the pensio0n should go bankrupt.
I am going to try and be positive. The politicians are hopefully cooking up some type of Casino scheme for the lakefront.
That would definately save our pension fund and pump money into the city. And hopefully thats why shortshanks is leaving because they wouldnt trust him with that!
I agree, I was thinking the same thing we can only hope.
Dear Brothers,
Watch the negative articles wirtten against Mike Shields in these blogs. It is the work of our favorite fraternal organization to hurt the best thing that has come along for the avarage cop. They want to paint him with their negative brush and discredit him in any way they can.
They are really afraid of him. Bella wants to be the next pres and he and his minions will do what ever it takes.
Hard to give up that take home car and the credit card, huh guys?
To: 12/02/2010 07:51:00 PM
I don't smoke the rock. I don't believe Mayor Dickhead or the overpaid asshats at the FlOP. And every time I "raed" the newsletter I realize how poor our representation is. They botched that last contract bad. I could get that kind of raise in the private sector with out having to pay for a union that is lame and ineffective. It is a damn shame we can't get leadership like the public schools have. You never address the main topic that if we sell out future CPD officer, they will sell us out in the future. What do you got for that one? Or can't you "raed" the main point of the post?
You gotta love king daileys response to the pension vote. Daley alone created our pension problem in chicago by not making sure the funding was there and stealing from the funds! Now we all get fucked again because of his actions while he stands in front of the tv cameras basically blaming the police and firefighters for the forthcoming tax increase... I say put a riverboat downtown on northerly island with a 10 year agreement that ALL monies go to the municipal pension fund... Daley is 100% to blame for this downfall and he is taking off while we suffer again.... Sgt gogo.
working for Rahm? Rahm has nothing to do with this keep it Jermain to the issue.
12/02/2010 06:58:00 PM
Jermain, I know that guy, he's alright.......
Isn't Daley himself going to get three pensions when he retires? City of Chicago as mayor, Cook County as States Attorney, and State of Illinois as a State Legislator. Why no press on that???
Anonymous said...
Where the fuck is it being invested??!!??
12/02/2010 08:09:00 PM
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You ever see those boxes filled with pension booklets in the corner of the rollcall room?
Take one out and read it one day kid.
From the Chicago Tribune:
"After decades of making retirement promises they weren't fully paying for, Chicago and many suburbs could be forced to set aside more money under sweeping changes to police and firefighter pensions headed to Gov. Pat Quinn's desk."
"The legislation, approved Thursday on a 46-4 Senate vote, prompted an immediate rebuke from Chicago leaders who said it was draconian and would force financial pain on city taxpayers."
"This goes to the economic vitality of the city of Chicago and the county of Cook, the economic engine of the state," Mayor Richard Daley said."
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This is vintage, classic Daley. He is a master at turning the tables. Remember when the City pulled the 16.1% offer off the table, IN WRITING, in a letter to the FOP? Daley claimed the FOP pulled it off the table because the FOP said no, it wasn't enough. he conveniently left out all the odoriferous provisions like unpaid furlough days and led many members to believe that a real offer of 16.1% was in front of the FOP. It wasn't.
And now he is bleating in typical crazy Mayor Chuckie mode about the "economic vitality of the City of Chicago and the County of Cook"
Mayor Daley has single handedly done more to destroy the "economic vitality of the city of Chicago and the county of Cook" than anyone else.
Thanks to Daley and the Daley Crime Family capital assets were sold off under value and many projects were overpaid and padded with graft and gifts to pals. Been down underneath block 37 lately? There is close to half a billion $$ of hidden construction sitting unused and unusable down there.
Take this to the bank: If Daley is screaming against something, it is likely good for us. Daley hates this pension funding provision, hence, it is a good thing.
Now, Mayor Daley hurry up and get out of the 5th floor you filthy lying thief!
Where's that cocksucker Vanecko at? Still in Sauganash?
Are you nuts or you can't read it DOES NOT EFFECT YOU ONLY THE NEW PEOPLE IF THEY DON"Y LIKE IT DON"T The tax payer
12/02/2010 07:01:00 PM
You are an idiot. They're just starting with new hires. Rahm has already stated on Chicago Tonight that we need to review the pensions of currently serving members.
It's not me so screw it? You are truly a moron of the highest order. Now go back and knock on more doors for your democrat masters so they can steal your pension down the road, you fool.
People this dumb are why Daley has been a thieving piece of shit mayor for twenty years.
WTF no 3% cola for officers born after jan 1, 1955
free health insurance but no pension increse until age 60
Hey, it could be worse. They could base your COLA on the last 4 years of activity! LOL!
9:34PM is correct......
Ultimately, we're headed for chaos and a civil war.
Obama and company know this will be their chance to build communism when the blow-up comes. Corporate types got greedy and free-traded this country into the ditch for 30% as opposed to 15% profits. The consumer went along to get cheap shit, and now he's fucked.
Buy food and ammo.
I really feel sorry for those of us that have nothing but the pension to look forward to after retirement. If you never got into deferred comp or started an IRA you then you just screwed yourselves.
I never understood the mentality of not opening a deferred comp account. I've worked with some who actually considered that in doing so it would be like taking food off the table.
It is a damn shame we can't get leadership like the public schools have. You never address the main topic that if we sell out future CPD officer, they will sell us out in the future. What do you got for that one? Or can't you "raed" the main point of the post?
JJJJJJJEEERRRKKK OOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Hey fuckhead. Would you rather have the teacher's contract? Really? Furough days, hundreds of layoffs, health care increases and assorted other givebacks? Then you are a FUCKING IDIOT!!
A monumental issue that affects all members of the Illinois Law Enforcement community and most of the comments here refer to the attack or defense of a possible candidate for FOP President. Unreal, what unadulterated horseshit. Glad I just retired, the politics within the FOP sicken me and are detrimental to everyones well being. To outsiders we appear to be nothing more than highschool kids campaigning for student council president.. Whats next? Maybe a promise for less homework.
...if you READ about what is going on here and all over the country you will see that the raise with no give backs, no increases in healthcare (first time in my career)and you throw in the work schedule and the healthcare package at 55. This was a great contract in these times.
I agree. Unfortunately there are some of us that can't get pass "what's in it for ME?"
It was nice to see Sidney Davis on television the other night standing next to Danny Davis at a mayoral press conference. I was just curious is there any relation?
WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE ALOT OF EXEMPTS BETTER START THINKING ABOUT RETIRING!
THE FORMULA OF THE 8 BEST OF THE LAST
OF THE LAST TEN WILL END UP KICKING MANY OF THE MERIT EXEMPTS IN THE ASS IF THEY STICK AROUND!
ALL U COMMANDERS LISTENING.
well there is a reason this is coming out. Meeks is using this as platform to get elected mayor.He is planning to raise the retirement age to 55. Fuck this city and state i should of stayed in the military i could of been retired by now at 39.
I have just finished reading all of the comments on this "Pension Bill Highlights (UPDATED)" post. I know. I DO have a lot of time on my hands, but that's the beauty of being a retiree.
It's amazing how every time Mike Shields name gets mentioned on SCC, how much anger and vitriol gets spewed on here right afterwards. And it's not like we can't figure it out. We're coppers, guys! We can follow how these comments are posted one after another. They are timestamped and say the same thing with slight changes in the wording! You FOP guys must just sit at your laptops trying to assassinate Mike and share your comments with each other so it looks like we all dislike him. Why? Because he's not part of your ole boy network.
You must think we're all stupid if you think we don't see right through this bullshit! In all the years that I was on the job and during the several years that I've been retired, I can honestly say that NO ONE, including FOP, has represented our interests in our pension fund more vocally than Mike Shields has. I don't know him nor have I ever met him, but I'm comfortable with the fact that he's got my back regarding my pension.
My concern is who will be watching the pension after he leaves there to become FOP president. I know that the chain of past FOP "leaders", from Dineen, to Nolan and through Donahue have a been way too cozy with the Daley Crime Family and Daley has benefited from those warm relationships. It is DAMN time for a change over there!
The FOP or whoever is trying to sabotage Mike Shields should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of addressing the significant impact of this pension legislation, insecure policemen are accusing Mike Shields of plagirism. Don't kill the messenger. I received Mike's email and he cites the well written summary of the bill by a lobbyist. This is not the time for political infighting. Instead we should band together and make sure Governor Quinn doesn't veto this bill. I believe Quinn will veto this bill on orders from Daley and all those damn aldermen who held their press conference condeming this legislation. Aldermen are vested after 10yrs with 80%. I have only 2 words for all the politicians who created this mess.... FUCK YOU!
Duty Disabled Police Officers screwed again. No progress on their benefits since the FOP formed a committee. This was a great opportunity to do something. Thank!
Your welcome P.F.
Say, how's the shoulder?
A few weeks ago FOP reps came to our roll call and flaunted that they will shoot down the two tier system and said that the last thing they want us to worry about is the pension as we hit the streets.
Really? That's funny but when they came out to 024 about 1 month ago they told us just the exact opposite. They told us that the 2 tier pension was coming but shot down the rumor that the new hires would have a 401 instead of a reduced pension package.
Anonymous said...
Dear Brothers,
Watch the negative articles wirtten against Mike Shields in these blogs. It is the work of our favorite fraternal organization to hurt the best thing that has come along for the avarage cop. They want to paint him with their negative brush and discredit him in any way they can.
They are really afraid of him. Bella wants to be the next pres and he and his minions will do what ever it takes.
Hard to give up that take home car and the credit card, huh guys?
12/02/2010 11:53:00 PM
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Divide and Conquer!
They've done in the Fire Dept for years! We are all in this together,
So sorry for your loss-
CFD's thoughts and prayers are with all of you.............
Simply put:
This Pension Bill = increase in property taxes (Yes, there is a pension, but at what cost?).
Northerly Island renovation = less police, fire, and essential city services & increase in property taxes (No doubt).
Less police = more officer's killed in the line of duty (Keep the honor guard at the ready).
More smoke & mirrors = crime continues to go down, folks (I don't feel too safe. How about you?).
Separate is not equal = take police from slow districts and put them in fast districts where nobody pays property taxes (Hmmm, sounds like reallocation to me?).
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
The Kicker (This one hurts bad):
6 officers killed so far this year = let's raise property taxes and beautify a park (Hire more police? What? Huh? Crime is down. The Mayor and Supt. said so. There having a test anyway. 200 more police are on the way, but more importantly, look at this pretty park we have! Isn't the Mayor just grand!?!).
It's sad that you learn how truly useless your Union representation is when you become involved in a shooting. Pathetic!
Say what you want , but what really matters is accountability and Daley is the biggest scumbag politician to ever exist and he destroyed one of the biggest cities in the U.S. He should be in prison and should never see the light of day again !
Anonymous said...
How about a posting about the asshole that entered a High School with pictures and names of police officers wearing a gun on his ankle. Fucking hit list on cops now that are working the schools.
12/02/2010 11:34:00 PM
Likely Cook County States Attorney response:
Maybe he was going to send each of the officers a christmas card....I am going to have to deny charges!
I Do not know what this is about, the pensions that are costing taxpayers too, too much money, are the politicians'.
As a citizen, the way this city and the CPD is run, is ridiculous.
If the department hired the number of officers that are currently needed - with all them making contributions to the pension fund it certainly would be in less dire shape right?
Instead the tax revenue has been spent on no-bid contracts to politically connected friends.
You're not going to get any pension funding out of the money spent over at United Road Towing or the new company that took over the parking meter's or any other company that has been privatized right?
This privatization under the guise of saving taxpayer money is costing us our pensions like the off-shoring of jobs by corporations is costing the shortfall in social security funding and the shortfall in tax revenue to pay for those new officers.
Yeah, it's the trickle down economy at work.
Stop the corporate off-shoring and more tax revenue comes in to enable the hiring of more officers. Hiring more officers means more people throwing dollars into the pension pool pot...etc.
I'll tell you what's most likely going to happen. They will eliminate the pensions entirely and offer you a 401K plan telling you how it gives you more control over your money to invest in the stock market and people will cheer. Who would refuse more control over their money right?
Then when the market doesn't perform and people end up in poverty in their retirement, the city can place the blame on you for not making the right choices in their investments.
The system is broken. The city that works sure ain't working for many of us I can tell you that much. We need to get these career politicians out!
We need gambling down town - some of the profit can go into our pension funds, because it was not our fault it was Daley and the mob.
12/02/2010 07:03:00 PM
Forget about that. Chico already said any money made from a casino should go to "education." Another political slush fund that is squandered. So let's see, prop taxes, lottery profits and now casino revenue will fund schools. Yeah okay.
And just remember boys and girls, that if you have less time when you retire, say at 20 years, your retirement pay will be based on 50% of what you mare making at 15 YEARS,yes 15Years because your pension is based on your last 4 or (maybe 8 years with this new bill) of pay that you have worked.I could be wrong but If they dont change your step raises you might be able to max out either.
Anonymous said...
Any cop or fireman working for these scum should hang their heads in shame. Are you happy now? They really took care of you.
The rest of us should contact our elected representatives and voice our disapproval of this bullshit. If you don't call, you deserve what they do to you!
This last election should have shown them that the people will hold them accountable. They better reduce THEIR pension benefits before they touch OURS!
12/02/2010 07:50:00 AM
You dope. Can't you read? Haven't you been paying attention the past year or so?
It was obvious to anyone with a pulse who kept up on this that there was going to be a two tiered pension plan in Illinois. The exact shape was to be determined.
All in all, we came out of it very well.
Hear this and read carefully:
OUR ("our" means current sworn employees) will NOT have any of our benefits promised to us reduced in any way.
Got that? Read again if confused.
And the future funding will be guaranteed. The City of Chicago has until 2015 to come up with adequate ways of funding their contractual promises to us.
The City must fund up to what the actuarials say is needed, like they should have been doing for many years. If they had, it wouldn't be so painful now.
By 2015 the City must bargain for increases in our contribution or get a casino going or tap some other sources of revenue but they must properly fund the pension.
The "two tiered" part is for employees hired after Jan 1, 2011.
Even that is not as bad as feared. The minimum age was raised to 55. it was 55 in 1968 and crept down to 50 over the years. Now it is back up there. That's life.
The max is still 75% only it is based on the highest 8 years instead of the highest 4 years.
We did better than expected under the circumstances and we won't have to deal with daley any more about this.
A new administration will have to find new funding sources.
It worked out much better than I expected.
Anonymous said...
You gotta love king daileys response to the pension vote. Daley alone created our pension problem in chicago by not making sure the funding was there and stealing from the funds! Now we all get fucked again because of his actions while he stands in front of the tv cameras basically blaming the police and firefighters for the forthcoming tax increase... I say put a riverboat downtown on northerly island with a 10 year agreement that ALL monies go to the municipal pension fund... Daley is 100% to blame for this downfall and he is taking off while we suffer again.... Sgt gogo.
12/03/2010 12:31:00 AM
How do we get fucked on this? How do we suffer any harm whatsoever?
As I read it, our benefits do not change one bit. Only new hires after Jan 1, 2011 go into the second tier pension plan. Not current sworn. Still, that is not as bad as it could have been, still much better than private industry.
Stop crying, we did fine.
IMHO the only redeeming job benefit a copper has is retirement at a relatively young age. Now, they want to take that from us.
Been retired for a little over two years because I couldn't put up with the BS anymore. Went out at age 53 with 26 years. Don't get my insurance paid and because I was born after Jan 1, 1955 now I don't get a cost of living adjustment either. Sounds like this is affecting current members and not just new hires. I'll be retired 7 years before I see a cost of living raise at age 60. How is that fair?
Ret. 177
As an officer and a taxpayer I really am not looking forward to higher property taxes. I am, however, looking forward to having a solvent pension fund in a few years when I pull the plug. If higher property taxes are what it takes then so be it.
The majority of the public will be pissed at cops and firemen but that is misplaced anger. Their anger should be directed at Shortshanks and his alderthieves. It's their political malfeasance that caused our pension fund to deteriorate into the piss poor state that it's currently in.
So when Shanks is ranting and raving about this legislation perhaps he should look in the mirror. There he'd see the true cause of this mess.
SAVE MONEY!
Get rid of gold braid pensions. (lower case intended.)
Isn't Daley himself going to get three pensions when he retires? City of Chicago as mayor, Cook County as States Attorney, and State of Illinois as a State Legislator. Why no press on that???
This is great! someone know how to get this info- also whats the wife receiving from all those Nonprofits she worked for in excess of 200 thousand a year or more for part time Work???
Buy American!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIfEw1V8_Ls&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We did better than expected under the circumstances and we won't have to deal with daley any more about this.
A new administration will have to find new funding sources.
It worked out much better than I expected.
12/03/2010 04:26:00 PM
You are a moron. This is only the beginning. They will go after you next. You are as dumb as they come believing that only new hires will be affected. Typical sheep response to the thievery of the democrats and joy at the scraps they throw at you.
Now go knock on more doors for your democrat master you fool.
You must think we're all stupid if you think we don't see right through this bullshit! In all the years that I was on the job and during the several years that I've been retired, I can honestly say that NO ONE, including FOP, has represented our interests in our pension fund more vocally than Mike Shields has. I don't know him nor have I ever met him, but I'm comfortable with the fact that he's got my back regarding my pension.
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You say no one has represented your interests "more vocally" than than Shields? It may be true, but being a bigmouth doesn't mean shit. FOP has gotten you real pension benefits like 75 % at 29 and a day. No one else got that. FOP did. FOP got COLA. FOP got the heart disability. FOP got increased benefits for total and permanently disabled. Shields hasn't accomplished a single fucking thing at the board. And if you think i'm wrong, please enlighten us all to some of his REAL accomplishments at the PENSION Board. There are none, and you know it Mike.
FOP does not have a leg to stand on. Maybe they can't "raed" the writing on the wall: Sell out the future officer, and the future officer will sell us out.
To 10/03 @429pm.... You must be a renter? Since you think the pension legislation only affects "new hires" what about my property tax to live in this overpriced shithole... Not crying by the way... Just dont want to get fucked in the ass.......again.
Now is the time to stick together not rip each other apart. They want us to self destruct... Please let us set aside our anger and BS and work towards the greater good of a well funded pension.
Anonymous said...
You must think we're all stupid if you think we don't see right through this bullshit! In all the years that I was on the job and during the several years that I've been retired, I can honestly say that NO ONE, including FOP, has represented our interests in our pension fund more vocally than Mike Shields has. I don't know him nor have I ever met him, but I'm comfortable with the fact that he's got my back regarding my pension.
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You say no one has represented your interests "more vocally" than than Shields? It may be true, but being a bigmouth doesn't mean shit. FOP has gotten you real pension benefits like 75 % at 29 and a day. No one else got that. FOP did. FOP got COLA. FOP got the heart disability. FOP got increased benefits for total and permanently disabled. Shields hasn't accomplished a single fucking thing at the board. And if you think i'm wrong, please enlighten us all to some of his REAL accomplishments at the PENSION Board. There are none, and you know it Mike.
12/03/2010 11:48:00 PM
That would make Mike Shields about equal to the happy smiling lunk Ken Hauser, who has been warming a seat there and little else since 1993.
Ask Hauser about China. I hear he's an expert. Ken Hauser also voted for giving millions $$ of pension funds to Vanecko and Davis and still claims he didn't know that Vanecko was related to the Mayor.
I don't want someone as stupid as Hauser on the pension board but others who don't mind terminal ignorance have kept voting him in for 17 years.
Has anyone ever asked Hauser why in 17 years not a peep was uttered from him on the underfunded looming catastrophe of the pension fund?
Instead of sounding the alarm he "writes" cute little articles about China. Maybe next quarter he will review some Chinese restaurants for us.
Anonymous said...
We did better than expected under the circumstances and we won't have to deal with daley any more about this.
A new administration will have to find new funding sources.
It worked out much better than I expected.
12/03/2010 04:26:00 PM
You are a moron. This is only the beginning. They will go after you next. You are as dumb as they come believing that only new hires will be affected. Typical sheep response to the thievery of the democrats and joy at the scraps they throw at you.
Now go knock on more doors for your democrat master you fool.
12/03/2010 11:16:00 PM
I only say what I say because I can read. It is a skill I picked up years ago. It seems to be lost on you. Try it some time.
Anonymous said...
Been retired for a little over two years because I couldn't put up with the BS anymore. Went out at age 53 with 26 years. Don't get my insurance paid and because I was born after Jan 1, 1955 now I don't get a cost of living adjustment either. Sounds like this is affecting current members and not just new hires. I'll be retired 7 years before I see a cost of living raise at age 60. How is that fair?
Ret. 177
12/03/2010 05:22:00 PM
Proper planning prevents piss poor performance.
Anonymous said...
Say what you want , but what really matters is accountability and Daley is the biggest scumbag politician to ever exist and he destroyed one of the biggest cities in the U.S. He should be in prison and should never see the light of day again !
12/03/2010 12:54:00 PM
Agree 100%
Anonymous said...
And just remember boys and girls, that if you have less time when you retire, say at 20 years, your retirement pay will be based on 50% of what you mare making at 15 YEARS,yes 15Years because your pension is based on your last 4 or (maybe 8 years with this new bill) of pay that you have worked.I could be wrong but If they dont change your step raises you might be able to max out either.
12/03/2010 03:12:00 PM
Supposedly that is for new hires only.
Fortunately for me, I prepared for this ahead of time, so I'll be getting the COLA increases.
That's right! I made sure I was born before 1955! Ha ha suckers!
Of course, on the other hand, I'd rather be a strapping young stud like I was back in the day, instead of an old f*ck!
Oh, well...
FOP got increased benefits for total and permanently disabled
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FOP did not get accomplish this. They tell themseleves so many lies they actually believe it and want you to believe they are working so hard. LIES, LIES, LIES
In my humble opinion Shields has done a great job at the pension board. However, that does not translate into the makings of an effective FOP President.
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The first part is horseshit. what exactly has shields done? He promised to secure better funding. He's done N-O-T-H-I-N-G on that front. Not even tried anything! However, I do agree with the second part.
First off if you are going to use my excellent prose, please use all of it. What has Mike Shields done?
1. When Ron Huberman went to increase his pension contribution based on his CTA salary it was Mike Shields who showed up with a video camera to film the proceeding. Hubermans demand would have allowed him to collect a huge pension.
2. It was Mike Shields who exposed the significant amount of money used to pay the law school tuition for the President's of the funds secretary.
3. It was Mike Shields who went to town against Mayor Daley's nephew getting approval to invest our pension funds. Not a public word came from any other member probably because many of them voted for it. By the way never a word from FOP either.
4. It was Mike Shields who asked that Jody, Brust and Masters be removed from our pension fund. They were subsequently removed because none of them were hired as patrolmen as required by pension by-laws. If Masters sticks around 10-years he can draw a nice chunk of change or if they can manage law enforcement time elsewhere they can potentially buy back years in the CPD pension.
5. It was Mike Shields that really made people aware of the huge underfunding of the pension fund, not FOP. In fact FOP forgave the city for 20 million in contributions.
6. Lastly ask anyone Patrolman that had a true injury and sought disability, Mike has been fantanstic in getting benefits approved. In all fairness to the FOP Dougherty has been terrific also.
My advice to current regime is to sound off your accomplishments like the heart bill, 4-day work week, etc. At roll call tell me what you have done for our union not your petty worries about some 30 something year old kid. You have some great accomplishments to run on. Conversely you sound very worried about Shields. As I said don't know who I am voting for but you guys sound petrified of him. If he has done nothing on the Board why do you hit the blog and trash the crap out of him? One last thing please tell be the read head is heading the ticket and not Bella.
I only say what I say because I can read. It is a skill I picked up years ago. It seems to be lost on you. Try it some time.
12/04/2010 05:56:00 AM
You read their bullshit lies and believe them? Try thinking for yourself instead of kissing democratic asses and you might...
Oh, forget it. It's lost on an dumb ass kisser like you. Just go vote for Rahm. Idiot.
All these "Little Napoleon" mayors need a reality check.
http://www.dukesblotter.com/2010/12/pension-coomentary-mayors-especially.html
WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE ALOT OF EXEMPTS BETTER START THINKING ABOUT RETIRING!
THE FORMULA OF THE 8 BEST OF THE LAST
OF THE LAST TEN WILL END UP KICKING MANY OF THE MERIT EXEMPTS IN THE ASS IF THEY STICK AROUND!
ALL U COMMANDERS LISTENING.
12/03/2010 09:01:00 AM
You with your all CAPS you are a moron. That applies to new hires.
Fortunately for me, I prepared for this ahead of time, so I'll be getting the COLA increases.
That's right! I made sure I was born before 1955! Ha ha suckers!
Of course, on the other hand, I'd rather be a strapping young stud like I was back in the day, instead of an old f*ck!
Oh, well...
Too cute! we need more laughs. Thanks old f*ck!
I'm just curious...
Since our pensions are almost sure to be going down the toilet without some sort of intervention, does this mean that we should be able to get back into Social Security? It's starting to look like we're going to need it in 30 years.
Thanks Rosty!
Anonymous said...
I only say what I say because I can read. It is a skill I picked up years ago. It seems to be lost on you. Try it some time.
12/04/2010 05:56:00 AM
You read their bullshit lies and believe them? Try thinking for yourself instead of kissing democratic asses and you might...
Oh, forget it. It's lost on an dumb ass kisser like you. Just go vote for Rahm. Idiot.
12/04/2010 08:32:00 AM
Not newspapers, read the bill that the IL House & Senate passed, waiting for Quinn's signature. Read it, 72 pages.
http://www.chicagofop.org/updates/2010/12/sb3538_final.pdf
But I wouldn't want to confuse your rant with facts so please continue.
Moron.
FOP got increased benefits for total and permanently disabled
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FOP did not get accomplish this. They tell themseleves so many lies they actually believe it and want you to believe they are working so hard. LIES, LIES, LIES
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If it wasn't for the disability commitee, there would not be 75% for the total & permanently disabled, disabled officers would still have to live in the city until they retire, there would not be stars and ID cards for the disabled. The warrant card would still have to be signed monthly for duty disabled officers. A duty disabled officer can work and make as much money as he/she wants because of the disability committee.
The committe has helped many disabled officers, they just don't go running around bragging about it.
Just for the record who do YOU actaully think got the 75% for the total & permanently disabled officers, because if any one is telling you the FOP & disability committee did not get this or any of the above listed benefits for the disabled officers, that officer is a LIE, and you are drinking too much KOOL-AID.
"...I don't want someone as stupid as Hauser on the pension board but others who don't mind terminal ignorance have kept voting him in for 17 years..."
12/04/2010 05:55:00 AM
I'm a retiree. I did not vote for Hauser. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I believe he ran UNOPPOSED last time as a rep for retirees and obviously won with only a fraction of the votes in his favor. I do not want to be a pension fund rep and no other retiree does either, apparently. What is your suggestion?
Anonymous said...
"...I don't want someone as stupid as Hauser on the pension board but others who don't mind terminal ignorance have kept voting him in for 17 years..."
12/04/2010 05:55:00 AM
I'm a retiree. I did not vote for Hauser. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I believe he ran UNOPPOSED last time as a rep for retirees and obviously won with only a fraction of the votes in his favor. I do not want to be a pension fund rep and no other retiree does either, apparently. What is your suggestion?
12/05/2010 02:12:00 AM
hen shame on the retirees for allowing Hauser to run unopposed.
Someone then has to take up the cause and run for retiree rep. It isn't that hard. Simply pick one of the daley appointees, Neely or Lux and vote the other way.
Not newspapers, read the bill that the IL House & Senate passed, waiting for Quinn's signature. Read it, 72 pages.
http://www.chicagofop.org/updates/2010/12/sb3538_final.pdf
But I wouldn't want to confuse your rant with facts so please continue.
Moron.
12/04/2010 07:50:00 PM
Dear mentally challenged nitwit member of the sheeple,
Listen to what Rahm said on Chicago Tonight. Listen to what all of the democrats are saying. Listen to what Daley is saying. They will take more of your benefits. That bill may not even be signed by Quinn.
It's sad that you can say it's OK for them to screw cops who are just coming on. At least you got yours, right?
You are an idiot of the highest order and the reason this is still a democratic dominated town. They have you believing all of their bullshit and you vote the way they tell you to because you don't have a mind of your own.
You deserve what is coming, moron. Now go get your fucking shine box. You'll need a new career after you retire, asshole.
If it wasn't for the disability commitee, there would not be 75% for the total & permanently disabled, disabled officers would still have to live in the city until they retire, there would not be stars and ID cards for the disabled. The warrant card would still have to be signed monthly for duty disabled officers. A duty disabled officer can work and make as much money as he/she wants because of the disability committee.
The committe has helped many disabled officers, they just don't go running around bragging about it.
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Since I am long retired, let me stick my two cents in. THERE WAS NO DISABILITY COMMITTEE AT THE TIME 75% DUTY DISABILITY, CHILD ANNUNITY, NO MORE WARRENT CARDS OR CAN WORK ANOTHER JOB. That useless committe is just postering and grandstanding for Donahue to make it appear FOP is doing something for their injured officers. If you youngsdters out there believe all this, then you are naive!
reduce cpd to 9,000 POLICE OFFICERS
hire civilians for all the office gun toting office police
that's how you save our pension
and most important get rid of gold braid(political clouted) pension
Since I am long retired, let me stick my two cents in. THERE WAS NO DISABILITY COMMITTEE AT THE TIME 75% DUTY DISABILITY, CHILD ANNUNITY, NO MORE WARRENT CARDS OR CAN WORK ANOTHER JOB. That useless committe is just postering and grandstanding for Donahue to make it appear FOP is doing something for their injured officers. If you youngsdters out there believe all this, then you are naive!
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You are wrong, and it's obvious you don't understand the difference between total and permenent disability and duty disability.
Oh and by the way, the disability committee was originally formed when Nolan was in office.
You are wrong on all counts. You should stop giving out misinformation.
Its pathetic that some of the members blogging here chose to try to disparage Mike for trying to inform us on the state of our pension while completely ignoring the fact that our union thus far has completely failed to inform its members of those who stands with us and those who stand against us, the aldermens, state rep, state senators & etc.
They seem more concern about protecting their current job then doing the job they were elected to do. THE BASIC FUNCTION OF ANY UNION IS TO EMPOWER ITS MEMBERS BY (1) INFORMING THEM OF THE ISSUES (RING THE ALARM) AND (2) ADVANCING POLITICAL STRATEGIES TO INFLUENCE LEGISLATION IN OUR FAVOR (NOT JUST HANDLE CONTRACTUAL BEEFS WITH THE BRASS)
Thanks Mike for at least attempting to ring the alarm while they were asleep at the wheel.
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