Police Shooting Fallout
It's also far past time for some sort of public relations campaign to let everyone know that police aren't required to "see a weapon" or "take the first bullet" to lawfully use deadly force.
This past shooting demonstrates exactly why:
A police officer shot and killed a man believed to be dealing drugs in the South Side Gresham neighborhood Saturday night, officials said.
About 8:30 p.m., Gresham District police tactical officers were on patrol in the 8100 block of South Ashland Avenue when they saw a vehicle in an area known for drug deals and gang activity, according to a release from police news affairs.
A man in the vehicle appeared to be selling drugs when officers arrived, the release said. Officers identified themselves, but the man in the vehicle stuck his hands in his pockets and refused to cooperate.
The man then got out of the vehicle and made an "aggressive movement" toward the officers, the news release said, and an officer shot him several times.
It's truly sad that we can't be sure which direction this investigation is going to go based on our complete lack of confidence in J-Fled's "leadership" and zero police experience.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
130 Comments:
This was a shooting that was justified. When a suspect makes a movement towards then instinct prevails. God bless you officer and never let anyone second guess you. Your alive , your partners alive, and the rest of us would work with you wuth honor!
You missed shots fired at two female po's in 22 on 1st watch. 0300 or so on 5 dec 10.
Channel 2 interviewed his sister, reportedly a former Air Force(?) cop and a CPD applicant.
She said something to the effect of "he was trying to leave his past behind him."
Another one who was "just starting to turn his life around."
Please.
In our thousands of citizen contacts a year, think of how many people who have been law-abiding all their lives or have actually turned their lives around, that we don't have to shoot.
He was clearly too late in his efforts.
OT
With the police test on 11 Dec, I hope some one in leadership is watching Europe. Greece, Ireland, and Great Britain are facing violent anti-government protests. I really hope the city hires some big goons in this coming batch of recruits....
comment from breaking news: "There has been much press recently about the increase in Cop shootings in Chicago recently, cases like this one make you wonder if the Police are as responsible, by their behavior when responding,as the offenders are!"
Yes, Flisk is responsible for finding a finger print that could have put "animal" in prison.
Yes, Bailey is resposible for washing his car after work infront of his house.
Yes, Wortham is responsible for showing his father his brand new motorcycle the fruits of his labor in this on going forgotton war.
Yes, Soderberg had some nerve putting his belongings in his trunk after a shift of work.
must have been Sgt Haymaker's fault the city never salted LSD properly.
Aparently, all the honor student/ex-gangbanger turning his life around crap actually works. They ALL believe it. And I am tired of it.
Let them see the beast in his enviorment for 24 hrs.
Prayers for all above mentioned officers and some thanks that TW went home warm and safe
it's not the FOP's job to educate the public to this, SCC.
It's the Supt.'s job, and News Affairs. Seeing as how we're stuck with this asshole for another few months, it's extremely doubtful that this will happen; everyone knows that WEISel lies to the public just about every Sunday regarding the crime stats, and it's common knowledge that the FBI won't even use the BS data that the CPD chooses to release in compiling their own crime statistics. The public better strap in & hang on; due to the extremely high number of CPD officers murdered here in the last year, trigger fingers are going to be itchy. It's best that anyone stopped by officers respond to all commands made by those officers; keep hands visible to the officers at all times, no sudden movements or threatening moves towards officers, and the majority of citizen/officer encounters will likely be conducted with no injuries to either party.
On WBBM I Heard the Mope's sister who is thinking about not taking the police exam next Saturday. Great example of the applicants that may join our ranks.
For some reason, criminals and some of the public seem to think that they only have to comply with our lawful orders if they feel like it. I really wish someone could explain it to people so that they'd shut up when this kind of stuff happens. We aren't required to be murdered attempting to get you to comply.
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
The public attitude is Daley's fault.
When he made it standard practice to settle lawsuits out of court against the CPD, for big cash payouts, he created an atmosphere among the street scum that ANY TIME the police use deadly force, the police were wrong AND it was their time to win the ghetto lottery.
The reality is that ANY TIME the street scum give the police "cause" to use deadly force, it is legal AND justified and no discussion of a suit against the police should even be entertained. THAT is the message that the public needs to hear and get comfortable with.
While the indiscriminate slaughter of citizens is certainly not the goal, the endangering of society's protectors CANNOT be excused or condoned.
You know what I think, these shitheads play like they have guns to intimidate each other and I think they just get into the habit of pretending they’re armed and when under stress “bingo” their tiny brains tell them to do their play act. Unfortunately for such stupid mindless bastards the police are likely to take them seriously and act appropriately.
We all know from our training that when you’re under intense stress you do what you’ve practiced without even thinking about. This is the same principal in action here.
Without question if someone makes a threatening motion like they have a gun and are about to produce it one should act to defend themselves immediately. We’re talking fractions of seconds here to respond to deadly threats and even a slight hesitation is often the difference between an officer going home to his family or the morgue.
"A man who will resist an officer with weapons has no respect for the rules by which decent people are governed. He is a outlaw who has no place in world society. His removal is completly justified, and should be accomplished dispassionatly and without regret."
Bill Jordan, No second place winner,1965
Got money that jfled is gonna say something along the lines of how the dept is going to review the incident and come up with new training in order to avoid deadly force in similar situations. Stay safe everyone, take no prisoners!
Here's the important thing...the officer went home safe that night. In light of the complete disrespect that the general public has for police officers lately, I always assume someone has a gun until proven wrong.
I'm glad we're standing behind this officer in life, and not behind her casket because she hesitated.
Naturally they start with this crap:
"Billups -- known to pals as ''Long Long'' because of his lanky 6-2 frame -- had a felony drug conviction for dealing cocaine in 1999 and was sentenced to seven years behind bars after pleading guilty to attempted murder in 2003, records show."
"But relatives said he had recently earned his G.E.D., was trying to turn his life around and wouldn't have threatened a cop. One of 17 brothers and sisters, he had worked on a garbage truck in Jackson, Miss., but was unemployed at the time of his death, his family said."
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Yup, longlong bilups was going to turn his life around today! What poor timing! If only he had picked Friday to turn his life around he might still be alive.
The man was 30 years old and the only employment history his family could come up with is "he had worked on a garbage truck in Jackson, Miss., but was unemployed at the time of his death"
Enjoy your dirt nap scumbag.
The officer fulfilled the first rule of police work: Go home safely to your family!
Now if only more of these miserable good for shit thugs were to get lit up regularly perhaps some semblance of order would return to our streets.
Stay safe officers, don't risk your life just so some scumbag doesn't lose theirs.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
When you examine reader comments in the Sun-Times, always remember you are reading the comments of the people who think electing Daley, Meeks, Davis, Quinn, Jones, Madigan, Cullerton just to name Democrats however is a good idea. I am not going to name Republicans because there have not been any elected in over ten years at the State level. And at the city level, well I am 57 and I cannot name any Republicans elected in City government in my life time. The cesspool of the City is entirely owned by Democrats and the Demcrat citizens. Anyway, these posters are often the segment of the population responsible for where we are in this state. So don't read too much into them. Actually, sometimes they are hilarious so leave them as they are. You don't need to have a public relations campaign about appropriate shooting. It wouldn't do any good and besides, the rest of us who have no problem with how you folks deal with criminals are simply going to move on, there is nothing to see here. (or read)
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
12/06/2010 02:12:00 AM
What word would you use then?
I'm not second guessing these officers on their decision the offender dug his grave by causing the officer to fear for her life. But....you no how to avoid this? Don't approach him about dealing drugs. Let him deal drugs, that's their problem not yours, no one speaks on your behalf now from their "community" when you have to defend yourself, so let them defend themselves.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
On WBBM I Heard the Mope's sister who is thinking about not taking the police exam next Saturday. Great example of the applicants that may join our ranks.
12/06/2010 01:57:00
That would be good news because we don't need that pos on the job,he was turning his life around,typical response from a felons family! Happy the coppers are ok,now jody do the right thing and support the police they have been traumatized from this incident enough stand up sir!!
Get ready for the Deadly Force roll call training videos for the next month.
OT: I just heard on the news on the radio that CPD has as an advanced communications system.
I wish we would start using it.
The funniest part is the interviews. The family actually ADMIT on camera that he was a thug, but, of course, he was trying to turn his life around.
After this last bag of dope is sold, I swear by my momma I'm gonna turn my life around.
Dear John Q Piblic, when the police order you to do something do it!
I know, you have rights. However If I have reason, in my mind according to applicable law, to stop you or arrest you, it will happen. If you think you shouldn't have been stopped and or arrested argue your case in court.
If you become a threat to me I will defend myself and I don't have to wait and be injured to do so.
Have a nice day.
It's also far past time for some sort of public relations campaign to let everyone know that police aren't required to "see a weapon" or "take the first bullet" to lawfully use deadly force.
Hey SCC you didn't like CAPS, The years of pot shots etc.. Well, one of their main functions was to do much needed, and called for PR for the CPD, ie.. put a good face on our officers as well as implement PR campaigns such as this one. You didn’t want that remember? I think the civilian wing of CAPS is still around, why don’t you call them?
AFTER U ATTEND A FEW FUNERALS IN A YEAR U PICK UP UR GAME!
THE SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT IS A GREAT IDEA. BUT IF THE COMMERCIALS REFLECTED WHAT WE GO THROUGH ON A DAILY BASIS THE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE LABELED RACIST.
REASON BEING NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE THE SILLY SHIT IDIOTS DO ON THE STREET WHEN THE ARE STOPPED BY AN OFFICER!
Give the kid a break already, huh? He had just received his GED and was looking for a job. Don't home in on those criminal arrests and convictions.
OT: Anybody see this asshole Transportation Secretary Ray "the hood" LaHood wants to mandate back-up cameras in all new vehicles? They'll get the cost of a Ford Fiesta up to about $30,000.
It's also his idea to force cities to replace all street signs with new ones in lower case letters.
Who makes the cameras? Who makes the signs?
Illinois style mandate/contracting at its best on a national scale!
When the fuck will the national media take a look at this stuff?
This jerk had 17 Brothers and sisters! That says it all! Glad we don't have to deal with him.
Hey SCC, J-Fled might be a goof in our eyes, but give him credit, he did say all the right things regarding the shooting at the press conference.
02:45:00 AM i was just thinking the same thing the other day. shitheads have been jamming their right hand into the inner pocket of their coat ever since i was a kid in an effort to intimidate someone with an implied gun. most person with gun calls are precisely that. it was only a matter of time.
As a past instructor, time consuming research was put into compiling facts regarding police shootings from across the country, and globe, if found to be relevent to police officers survival.
Some of these facts were inserted into the officers survival course during my short tenure by most of the instructors.
Of all the facts combined the most outstanding one was the following:
The most dangerous and most obvious response that should place an officer in the highest alert for their physical safety during a field interview would be a suspect OFFENDER failing to obey a lawful and reasonable command directed at the OFFENDER by a recognized police officer/s. This recognition could be visual, verbal, or intuitave through past experiences in dealing with police officers in the community.
They were also instructed that "WHEN" this occured take immediate action, shield, distance, movement, or shoot if appropriate.
In today's climate of escalating cold blooded murder to police officers this advice should be reinforced daily at roll calls.
Certainly, no "Monday morning quaterbacking" should be taking place during this most unfortunate
incident.
God bless all of you; survival first 24/7.
m tully ret.
Channel 2 interviewed his sister, reportedly a former Air Force(?) cop and a CPD applicant.
She said something to the effect of "he was trying to leave his past behind him."
They will be crazy if they let her on the dept. There have been people on the job whose family members were killed by the police and it always goes bad. They are like time bombs. You never know when they will go off and who will be near them when it happens.
I work in a fast district. I often have my gun drawn. I'll be damned if I'm going to play "quick draw" with a cop killer wannabe with the reflexes of a Devin Hester.
Officer 'in fear of her life' kills unarmed suspect
Sun-Times
There is a new batch of idiots born every year. Several years ago Allstate Insurance companies ran a campaign to educate the public on "when you are stopped by a police officer".
This must be a continuing process. Our PAC money is misspent when politicians fail to educate their constituency.
Thank you, officer, for ridding the community of the burden that was Ontario Billups.
Mary
"While the indiscriminate slaughter of citizens is certainly not the goal, the endangering of society's protectors CANNOT be excused or condoned."
Good fuken line. I'm memorizing it n using it appropriately n of course I'll quote the source.
Tracy Ladner costs the City (us taxpayers) a bundle on her latest "fire them, hire us" fiasco. Victim of it gets a bunch of cash (again, taxpayer money) and a nice spot on the last transfer order.
Not a word of it in the paper and no discipline for Tracy. I wonder why.
These animals are not scared of the Police anymore! Its that simple.
Another example of why not to talk to the media. They stab us in the back every chance they get. How come the media doesn't interview people that would see this as reasonable, like I don't know, someone with a job, respect for authority, common sense and knowledge that there is a constitution?
We've buried 6 of our own this year. The kid gloves are off. The Officers involved made a decision that ONLY they could make becasue they were the only ones there. Nobody else can judge whether or not they feared for their safety. Of course the public will whine about it. They will NEVER understand our job, so I don't know why we constantly expect them to. None of us understood it until we started doing it. Thank God the Officers are ok. This guy that was killed made his decision, and suffered the consequences. It's that simple. Justified.
Dear scc: when a job needs to be handled and the person responsible to handle that job doesn't, then it becomes the responsibility of someone else to make sure the job gets done because the end result is what matters the most. So even though the city and the dept. have the responsibility of schooling the public in many areas, but most importantly to stop fucking with the police, that it's not going to pay off anymore to fuck with the police and to basically go fuck yourself if you think the police are there to bow down to your every whim, then it becomes the responsibility of the next person, who is the unions, because we, as officers, can't. Even if just to get up on a podium and strike back once and awhile, instead of being a politician from behind your desk. The unions are supposed to be there to protect the worker from the big bad employer, well, I think if the employer fails at protecting the worker, then the union needs to step in. Donahue has never never rocked a single oar, let alone boat in his tenure as the police officer's protector. He has never, once, ever gone toe to toe with any politician or media troll or citizen when they have gone after the police needlessly. He has got to be the biggest dissapointment in a union leader. No, wait a minute, the past sgt's union president might take that title. I could go on and on but I won't bore you this early with crap that we already know. Now comes the disclaimer: I am not Shields or anyone else that wants your very powerful job and by the way you are so stupid that you have never even used your power, never tested it out in all these years Mark, why is that? You could have had legislation introduced that tried to get rid of punitive damages, or jury awards lessened, or protetions for the officers beside money matters. There's a lot you could have done or at the very least gave the illusion you were trying to do. I am just a lowly midnight beat sgt that still regrets the vote I cast for you when you decided you didn't want to be a diaper dick anymore.
Last time I got pulled over was at night for speeding. I had 2 concealed weapons in the car. A Glock 27 and a Sig 220.
(legal where I live)
I got my drivers lic out while I was pulling over, once stopped, I reached over and pulled out my registration and insurance card, then turned on the dome light.
(I have tinted windows)
I then rolled down the drivers side window and kept both hands on the wheel.
The officer came up to the passenger window and knocked on it. I rolled it down and handed him the docs he asked for.
He didn't threaten me, he didn't pepper spray me, he didn't taze me, he didn't beat me with a baton and he sure as shit didn't shoot me.
Why??
Because I didn't act some some friggin asshole who wanted him dead! He gave me a warning, I thanked him and was on my way.
Even if he had given me a ticket, I would have thanked him and been on my way.
That's what normal people do.
Any asshat that makes an aggresive move towards a cop deserves lead poisoning! Fuck 'em. Don't let scumbags put you in the hospital or morgue.
Don't you know, we have xray vision and a crystal ball in our pocket. F the public and their quick to judge the officer attitude
Given the pitiful current state of social order in this country, the drug problem and gang infestation, I think a public service announcement on use of force is a great idea. PSA's have changed the perception, if not behavior, of many societal ills, why not for this? Let people know what is expected of them during a traffic stop, etc.
After all, didn't Meeks complain that "he hadn't seen the memo" on appropriate behavior for traffic stops?
---not a cop
I agree completely with the poster from 02:45 Actually I agree with all of the comments here, but especially that one
When someone makes a movement "consistent with the drawing of a firearm" there could be grave consequences.
I know that officers dont go to work everyday hoping to get a chance to shoot someone.
Sorry that things turned out the way they did. And his sister seems to be relatively decent.
Had Ontario turned his life around six months earlier he'd be going to work and paying taxes today.
Im glad we won this one
Be safe out there
Punitive damages...Learn about them.
Anonymous said...
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
12/06/2010 02:12:00 AM
This is great advice. Did an arrest one time and a sgt told me pretty much the same thing. Never used it since.
As much as I hate J-fled I thought he supported the officer in what he said on the news. He told people not to jump to conclusions and that we have to make split second decisions and that aaction beats reaction which to me basically seems to me he is telling people we don't have to wait to get shot at or see the gun. I would have liked for him to put it in more plain language but I thought he did ok.
I hope news affairs didn't release he was shot several times because the officer fired her weapon once, (1) shot not several- big difference.
Do you want to know what is even more scary? A similar incident like this happened to me and I was squeezing the trigger back and finally the offender showed his hands. I told my Sgt. that I was about to shoot this offender and my Sgt. said "well if you did then it would have been unjustified because he didn't have a weapon. You can never shoot someone that doesn't have a weapon".
Plus want to know what is even more upsetting, six of my fellow police officers agreed! Only one agreed with me.
Officers, educate yourself and when in a situation you feel your life is in jeopardy, do it; pull your weapon out and squeeze the trigger. Too often, we are the ones who are too scared to shoot.
FYI- "An officer is justified in using force likely to cause death or great bodily harm only when he reasonably believes that such force is necessary: 1. To prevent death or great bodily harm to an officer or another person. 2. When an offender is about to or going to inflict great bodily harm to another person. 3. Attempting to escape using a deadly weapon.
When you examine the totality of the circumstance and plus add the reasonableness standard, this shooting was justified. The officer when in that situation was in fear of her life and used deadly force.
I think the shooting was justified too, too many coppers getting murdered by these useless piles of s*** to take any chance. stay safe out there and good job!!
In the unlikely event that I am ever stopped by CPD, what with how understandably on-edge you must be lately, I plan to just not move a muscle unless so ordered and, in a soft voice, to offer up-front to be handcuffed and searched for weapons, no harm no foul when none are found. I won't be at all pissed, nasty, arrogant, defensive, profane or foul-mouthed about it.
That way everyone gets to walk away.
Anyone who watches TV KNOWS what we are supposed to do when we are stopped by the police. I am pretty sure that the life of a shithead includes watching plenty of TV.
Not only should the word "appeared" never appear in a case report, but also the words "highly intoxicated" should not appear either. Why you ask, without breath or blood testing, you don't know just "highly intoxicated" someone is. Also if he or she is "highly intoxicated" why did you not get them medical attention. This all came up in a deposition with our friends, the law firm of Loevy and Loevy. Simply use the phrase "had been drinking". Those words cover anything from one drink to sloppy dead drunk. Also thanks and be stay safe.
To the officer involved in the shooting I'm sorry that this animal put you in that situation, but I'm glad that you rose to the occasion and protected your partners and yourself. In your selfless actions you have made these streets that much safer. Now when I walk the streets of this town I'll have that much more comfort in knowing that these thugs and ruffians are going to need to start thinking twice about their actions.To the sister of the dead offender don't be another cop hater within the ranks, your brother chose his way.
- Anon Civilian
it's not the FOP's job to educate the public to this, SCC.
It's the Supt.'s job, and News Affairs. Seeing as how we're stuck with this asshole for another few months, it's extremely doubtful that this will happen; everyone knows that WEISel lies to the public just about every Sunday regarding the crime stats, and it's common knowledge that the FBI won't even use the BS data that the CPD chooses to release in compiling their own crime statistics. The public better strap in & hang on; due to the extremely high number of CPD officers murdered here in the last year, trigger fingers are going to be itchy. It's best that anyone stopped by officers respond to all commands made by those officers; keep hands visible to the officers at all times, no sudden movements or threatening moves towards officers, and the majority of citizen/officer encounters will likely be conducted with no injuries to either party.
12/06/2010 01:54:00 AM
I agree, but I believe the Fop has been sponsoring a program for drivers education that talks about what you should and should not do when stopped by "the police".
The Supt. did at least stand up for us yesterday.
what everyone is afraid to say is that the young black community is out of control. it has been out of control for two years now or since the new president took office.
look at the numbers and tell me if I am wrong. Black youth 17 to 25 has no respect for authority. I am not saying all but alot dont and numbers dont lie.
black on black crime, black on white crime, black on police officer crime...numbers way up
its plain and simple. black youth have no respect for themselves or others...
I say this and I am african american living on the west side. yes I am a police officer but I was black before I was a cop
Billups had a lengthy criminal history and he tested a police officer on the street and she shot him. there is only one person to blame for him getting shot and thats him..if you test a police officer why should the police officer lose.
the media wont talk about his actions...hell ive been a copper for 22 yrs and i still follow the letter if I am pulled over
Billups family is looking for some free easy money and they will get it ..........the officer was tested and she passed, he failed and he is where all failures belong, in a body bag.
stay safe my brothers and sisters
I heard the sister of this deceased criminal talk about how she might not take the police test now since she is concerned that all of the cops are criminals.
I say to her: DON'T TAKE THE TEST! You do not have a fucking clue about police work, except your uneducated and ill-informed opinion. I can tell from your interview you are closed minded and you will do yourself a big favor by going to work for IPRA, but don't swell our ranks with your prejudices and hate.
Your criminal brother was not following verbal, advice and persuasion to show his hands and then began making movement suggesting he had a weapon. He brought about his own consequences by not following the police officer's lawful orders.
I for one would not want to work with someone like yourself who is so predisposed to knowing all the answers that you seem like you have nothing to learn. You have not spent one day in the shoes of a cop and you make all those stupid comments!! Please, please, please do not take the test and leave your sanctimonious attitude elsewhere.
Let the hunt continue! Open season is here practice your shot 2.
Officer, you did the right thing. A dope dealer puts his hands in his "hoody pockets" and moves toward an officer in a treatening and verbally aggressive manner, refusing verbal direction to stop and show his hands...is enough for that officer to reasonably believe that the subject is armed with a handgun and can cause great bodily harm to the officer and his/her partner. Actions are always faster than reactions. I definitely would not wait around for a round to be launched at me or my partner through the shit heads hoody pocket. Threat will be assessed and addressed. Im going home to my wife and my kids. Also keep in mind shit heads think you wont pull the trigger and attempt to disarm you...like the shootings on 55 and Damen and MSF in 025. Never under estimate them...its proven that they will not hesitate to take you away from your family in a blink of an eye. Don't hesitate to protect yourself and your fellow brothers and sisters in blue. Watch your six at all times, train often, and kick ass professionally out there. Godspeed...Again, good job Officer.
If the suspect is going to act like an asshole then he got what was coming. Some people will never learn.
It is ashame cause he was just bout to turnt his life round. Next time I drop into Rev. Wright's "church" I will say some prayers for him and his dope dealing business.
Fuck that: taking the first bullet.
I will try to find the link, but some group of liberals in KY want the police to shoot back ONLY AFTER THEY ARE FIRED UPON . I will be happy to put one bullet in my pistol and let them have a fully loaded one and let them take a shot at me AFTER I SHOOT AT THEM from about 21 feet.
Fucking crazy asshole liberals!
It's always the same sayings and quotes from an offenders family and friends when they are shot by the police: He was getting his GED. or he was geting his life togehter, well this female officer may have shot an unarmed person, but the law clearly states that a person does not have to be armed with a deadly weapon, I'm glad to see that she is alive and this JAGOFF who has a history is not, It makes you wonder why someone would even challenge the police, maybe he was being cute because she was a female cop, or maybe, just maybe they will find some substance in his blood that made him have big balls. I'm happy that you are alive officer.!!
Not long ago, someone wrote an article, in the Reader I believe, about the lines that are used when an offender is killed. A blueprint of sorts about how, "He was just turning his life around, or He was about to get his GED." Could someone reprint that and compare it against what one of the sisters said? I think it was repeated verbatum!
shoot the m..... f....r!
zero tolerance
god bless you guys
and your families you leave behind if you second guess~
go to the range and practice
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
12/06/2010 02:12:00 AM
What word would you use then?
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Figure it out.
You should also never use the word "related" - say exactly what he said, not what he "related."
To 12/06/2010 07:28:00 AM:
My partner and I just got two empty soup cans and a roll of string that reaches back to the station....our communications have never been better. And to the caps guy who obviously lost his spot....all I've ever seem them do is hand out water bottles, keychains and ghetto freebees, so I don't know where you;re getting this "we educated the public crap".
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
12/06/2010 02:12:00 AM
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You are correct, only STATEMENTS of fact should be included in the narrative of a case report, not assumptions, or what you thought it might be... only what was at the time... especially if there is an offender in custody...
suppositions are really not appropriate at the preliminary investigation stage,which is a gathering of facts known at the time...
Hey SCC you didn't like CAPS, The years of pot shots etc.. Well, one of their main functions was to do much needed, and called for PR for the CPD, ie.. put a good face on our officers as well as implement PR campaigns such as this one.
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They did a piss poor job of it so far, and they had what? 15 years or so to do it? I don't see that it worked in ANY WAY... and they sure never implemented any PR campaigns that got out to the general public either...
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
12/06/2010 02:12:00 AM
What word would you use then?
12/06/2010 07:12:00 AM
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Use a declarative statement, not a supposition - such as
The subject was observed breaking the window
rather than
The subject appeared to be breaking the window.
This jerk had 17 Brothers and sisters! That says it all! Glad we don't have to deal with him.
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I'll put the over/under of baby daddy's he and the 16 other siblings shared at 12. Any takers??
Really--- justified if this were me a little PO with no Juice I would be in handcuffs. free cozzi
It has happened to all of us at one time or another, you have to be ready, or you may be dead. She did the right thing, and he did the wrong thing. It is what we were trained to do
Anonymous said...
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
12/06/2010 02:12:00 AM
What word would you use then?
12/06/2010 07:12:00 AM
Instead of, he appeared to be reaching for a gun and didn't stop when ordered to...you could write, he reached into his coat and refused to stop and show his hands when ordered to.
'Yes he could have been getting a cell phone (mr ambulance chasing scumbag lawyer) but he didn't stop and show his hands when ordered to, I can't take the chance that he has a gun.'
OT: I just heard on the news on the radio that CPD has as an advanced communications system.
I wish we would start using it.
Me too. The computers in 024 have not worked in over 3 weeks. Downtown keeps telling us that nothing is wrong and that we must be doing something wrong.
"If you act like you want to be shot, you will be shot."
Phil Schitz-06 December 2010
"OT
With the police test on 11 Dec, I hope some one in leadership is watching Europe. Greece, Ireland, and Great Britain are facing violent anti-government protests. I really hope the city hires some big goons in this coming batch of recruits...."
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LMAO, but true!
Anonymous said...
I'm not second guessing these officers on their decision the offender dug his grave by causing the officer to fear for her life. But....you no how to avoid this? Don't approach him about dealing drugs. Let him deal drugs, that's their problem not yours, no one speaks on your behalf now from their "community" when you have to defend yourself, so let them defend themselves.
12/06/2010 07:16:00 AM
I agree 1oo%.I refrained from posing at first,I didn't want to look like I was second guessing the officers for doing pro-active work,something I once used to do.In todays climate it really is potentially foolish to get involved in shit like this when you consider the worst case scenarios.Jody,Little Dick and the Dtates Atty are not your friends.Neither is the media...be careful.
Story on Cook Co. Probation hits Wednesday night FYI
A few years back, I was stopped at the light at 95th and Western in my personal car. A car carrying 5 young African American youths (teens, boys and girls) pulled up alongside me. The car pulling up made me glance over (police reaction I guess) and just as quickly I re focused forward. One of them yelled "hey man, look at this" and pointed some sort of pipe at me, pretending it was a gun. I had my nine almost out the window before I realized what it was. They were laughing their asses off. My heart was pounding, and that adrenaline valve was WIDE open. They pulled away e/b on 95th, while I went south. It looked just like a rifle barrel, and if I had lit them up, I'd a been in jail till my grandkids weddings. Until someone pulls some shit like that, or fakes a pull, or puts that hand in a pocket playing "I've got a pistol" no one, and I mean no fucking body can know what goes through your head.
In my 26 years, about 30 names on the wall. This officer did the right thing. Beers on me.
RIP Mike Flisk
I smell Another one of those training videos where you are signed that you saw it and walk out without watching, with the bosses kickin you out the door to go do work and make to make them look good. Can't waste any time with real training can we ? Just push, push, push, to go out and keep the savages under control, so the chosen ones can sit in their nice, comfy offices and make phone calls, drink coffee, gossip, and play computer games.
What a Cartoon Marathon this place has become under Half Pint Bawler and Weissel....
Anonymous said...
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
12/06/2010 02:12:00 AM
What word would you use then?
12/06/2010 07:12:00 AM
Was.
Your welcome.
SCC, not sure where else to post this...wanted to let everyone know that Joe the Cop who writes the Arresting Tales blog was promoted recently and will no longer be writing the blog as a result.
Congratulations to Joe the Cop. Based on your blog postings, It would be a pleasure working for a boss like you.
Welcome Home Brother!
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=7828331&pid=5792264#global
Why is it that just about every male black on the south and west side is just getting their life together when they confront the police? This recent GED graduate was just now getting it together? He only wanted to sell some drugs for the last time? C'mon would someone please tell these people that play time is over and we are going to shoot first and then ask questions later. Good job officer because we are not preparing to attend your funeral.
Anonymous said...
Not long ago, someone wrote an article, in the Reader I believe, about the lines that are used when an offender is killed. A blueprint of sorts about how, "He was just turning his life around, or He was about to get his GED." Could someone reprint that and compare it against what one of the sisters said? I think it was repeated verbatum!
12/06/2010 03:00:00 PM
It was Joe The Cops blog on Chicago Now. Unfortunatley the liberal backlash caused the Trib to remove the page. I found a link to a copy, scroll down a few graphs:
http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/34602
Anonymous said...
These animals are not scared of the Police anymore! Its that simple.
12/06/2010 09:49:00 AM
Then they can go to their graves unafraid.
Jody is finally getting it, it's a little to late. He did better than Terry Hillard in this situation, just ask Tonya Haggerty formerly of the 6 th district
its plain and simple. black youth have no respect for themselves or others...
I say this and I am african american living on the west side. yes I am a police officer but I was black before I was a cop
Billups had a lengthy criminal history and he tested a police officer on the street and she shot him. there is only one person to blame for him getting shot and thats him..if you test a police officer why should the police officer lose.
the media wont talk about his actions...hell ive been a copper for 22 yrs and i still follow the letter if I am pulled over
Billups family is looking for some free easy money and they will get it ..........the officer was tested and she passed, he failed and he is where all failures belong, in a body bag.
stay safe my brothers and sisters
12/06/2010 01:34:00 PM
Except for the age group 17-25, i agree with you my brother. My age group would start at 13-25 though, well at least on the southside! take care
Anonymous said...
The word "appeared" should never be used in a police report . Been sued and deposed for 7 hours regarding what a savage appeared to be doing. Ban the word appear in your reports. Thank u and be safe.
12/06/2010 02:12:00 AM
What word would you use then?
12/06/2010 07:12:00 AM
"...was engaged in drug activities in an area known for a high level of street drug sales. The offender refused to obey numerous verbal commands intended to ensure his safety and R/O's safety and made a sudden move consistent with the drawing of a pistol from his waist band. Fearing for R/O's life R/O fired at the assailant until the threat was stopped."
I agree, but I believe the Fop has been sponsoring a program for drivers education that talks about what you should and should not do when stopped by "the police".
12/06/2010 12:49:00 PM
This 1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
Good job! Don't test an officer. When an officer has a gun drawn and pointed at you and announces his/her office, gives an explicit and direct order, then FOLLOW the order and you don't die. If I'm in her shoes, I'm thinking dude is either bat shit nuts and wants to disarm me, OR.. he really does have a weapon and is ready to use it against me. We are trained to eliminate the threat and that's just what Billups was, a threat.
These young men..AND women lately, have a knack for testing police and pushing the envelope to see what is our breaking point or how far they can actually go. I've had a snubby on my person, and a duty weapon in the trunk on more than one occassion and I've got a bit of a lead foot sometimes when I'm out on LaGrange Rd. I've been pulled over by Palos, Orland, Tinley in the last 6 years and not once have I had any problems. I place both hands on the wheel, greet the officer, then let him know I'm an officer and I'm armed. I then ask if it'd be ok if I show him my credentials since he now knows I'm armed. He makes sure everything checks out and I'm always on my way. Polite, courteous, and apologetic. But then again, that's the difference between a rational person and Johnny Shithead.
This will happen a few more times and hopefully the savage will get the picture that he needs to stop testing the police.
Anonymous said...
"...I am not going to name Republicans because there have not been any elected in over ten years at the State level. And at the city level, well I am 57 and I cannot name any Republicans elected in City government in my life time. The cesspool of the City is entirely owned by Democrats and the Demcrat citizens..."
12/06/2010 06:19:00 AM
In 1990, ex-CPD Jack O'Malley ran for Cook County State's Attorney AS A REPUBLICAN and won. I believe he is currently an Appellate Court judge.
The scenario that 12/06/2010 11:59:00 AM describes is a result of the politician's and soft, do-gooder citizenery backing bad behavior which leads to the enabling of the woe is me segment of society's behavior growwing more aggressive and predatory.
Eventually, it results in the unraveling of society when unchecked.
And that's where the sippy-cup method of managment and policing has brought us.
Chicgao needs a g-d damn surge of force the likes of Afganistan.
It is insane to have a policy that puts police on the defensive. The level of force the police are permitted to use -- with descretion -- should be such that most every citizen and visitor to the city by reputation of the CPD has the expectation that they will be treated professionally and if they don't in turn show respect and follow instructions, they are goong to meet overwhelming force at the first sign of lip or agression. That's what I recall as a kid and it worked.
When that's the norm, you dont get the disrespect for law and order like we have now. And to the do-gooders, I'm not talking a police state. I'm talking a respect for authority and a no nonsense response when it's not shown.
And, when it's abused by someone in blue in the isolated incident its is sure to be, given law enforcement is just like any other profession, given there is good and bad in all professions, it is the responsibility of the brass and the rank-and-file to make it there business to see to it that the hammer is appropriately brought down on the bad seeds.
Giving the agressor,predator, shitbird, whatever the right to tee-off, first or get the first shot off is as nutty as a squirrels breakfast.
The criminal element need only be on the ball when they are ready to attack. The men and women on the streets need to be on virtually ALL the time.
Buck Naked
(not a cop)
I only have some advice for all serving PO's:
Spend more time at the range and less time working multiple jobs.
Practice shooting Center Mass at distances up to 20 feet.
Have Shooting contests between shifts and districts for bragging rights and beer.
See who can put the most Rounds from 1 magazine into the smallest Pattern on a Torso Target (Nickel, Quarter, Dime, Half Dollar, Dollar Coin sizes). And then see who can do it the fastest.
The Goal at the end of the day is to ensure that the PO's go home ALIVE, and Fuck the Scumbag.
OMG let these fucks know that they just can't do whatever the fuck they want any more.
ipra no longer requires paperwork and trr sent down on taser and pepper spray use... well, at least something positive.. its sad that that news makes me somewhat feel a little better.... but, the job still blows
I agree with ALL of you. Don,t shoot no matter what. Come over here with us in Britain. We don't. arm our police with dangerous guns, we give them sticks: -).
They don't say "Stop or I'll shoot!"
They say. " Stop or I'll say STOP again!"
" I fired to defeat the threat to myself and others after exhausting reasonable means to restore peace. Unfortunately it resulted in clinical death to the threat. Peace restored!
Instead of "it appeared that" "the officer believed" . One is more definate than the other.
Don't be hating on the citizens. We all know the jounalists and newspeople scan crowds and climb over fifty normal "citizens" to find to the biggest hootin' hillbilly or thug there for the Ten O'Clock news. The citizens see right through this BS. That asshole was up to no good. As a matter of fact, anyone on 81st and Ashland after dark is up to no good. That's been a notorious dope corner for years.
So...
long-long tried to "punk" a Police Officer ("ha-ha... sike! i really ain't got no guuhhhhh... OOOHHH PO-LEESE DONE KILT DA SHIT OUTTA MY ASS!") and got his ass planted like the poop-potato he was.
Now the family is looking for a pay off to go away?
Gotta give him a nice "fun-eral?"
The family shouldn't get shit for this mutt rolling the dice against the Police and crapping the fuck out.
Put his ass in a hefty bag and drag him up on the railroad tracks with the other dead dogs...
One elder subject matter expert opines that if The Police and upright citizens "just commence to killing the motherlovin' shit out of those mutts" immediately upon initial provocation, the twin genies of dude-ism & thuggery might be in a hurry to get back in the bottle.
Keep pouring heaping helpings of "Ka-Boom" on that ass... And we ain't talkin' about the cereal either...
Anonymous said...
Not only should the word "appeared" never appear in a case report, but also the words "highly intoxicated" should not appear either. Why you ask, without breath or blood testing, you don't know just "highly intoxicated" someone is. Also if he or she is "highly intoxicated" why did you not get them medical attention. This all came up in a deposition with our friends, the law firm of Loevy and Loevy. Simply use the phrase "had been drinking". Those words cover anything from one drink to sloppy dead drunk. Also thanks and be stay safe.
12/06/2010 12:41:00 PM
Had been drinking what officer?? Pop? Water? Milk? Is that illegal officer?? Did you see my client drink an intoxicating beverage?? Bottom line is lawyers can twist any word.
"Billups family is looking for some free easy money and they will get it"
Yes they will. Unfortunately it's the ONLY contribution this guy ever made to his family beyond existing.
"I think a public service announcement on use of force is a great idea."
Yeah. Hopefully we can get them off that damn "Cops Are Cracking Down" crap!
Enough with the seat belt and DUI PSAs already.
Anonymous said...
Why is it that just about every male black on the south and west side is just getting their life together when they confront the police? This recent GED graduate was just now getting it together? He only wanted to sell some drugs for the last time? C'mon would someone please tell these people that play time is over and we are going to shoot first and then ask questions later. Good job officer because we are not preparing to attend your funeral.
12/06/2010 08:18:00 PM
If only poor longlong had kept that job working on a garbage truck in Jackson, Miss. he would be alive today. It was probably beneath a man of his advanced stature in society to have a job that he had to go to and everything.
Another GED wasted, another future rap star silenced forever. Thousands of felonies left uncommitted.
Another one of his 17 brothers and sisters will have to carry the flag now. Doctors and lawyers all, no doubt.
The average citizen doesn't run from the police or get confrontational. I live on 2011's beat but DID live on 1421's beat. We see the 99 unit roll by, we stop and wave. We like and want our police here. They're visible, curious, and humble. Keep up the good work
'what everyone is afraid to say is that the young black community is out of control. it has been out of control for two years now or since the new president took office.'
It's doubtful that the poster of this paragraph is indeed someone of color, because there is absolutely NO TRUTH to this statement at all.
Problems in the black community didn't 'begin' with Obama's election; the problems with a significant number of black youth in our larger urban areas of the US began quite a few years before Obama was running for any public office. The problems began with the emergence of gangsta rap/hip-hop. Young urban blacks embraced a highly negative message from many of the new breed of rappers that emerged, and the message was simple: ' do what you want, take what you want, disrespect authority, no one's gonna stop us.' Many middle class blacks, such as myself, were shocked by this pervasive attitude. We wanted to believe that this 'ugly phase' in the so-called music industry would pass; many of us did not accept it, and continued to raise our children to respect the law, neighbors, adults, cherish education, and renounce the use of illegal drugs, disrespect of women. WE became 'the minority' within our own communities. Now that many of these so-called 'gangsta rappers' have now found space in the nation's prisons, maybe our communities can begin to heal from this madness. But just like the madness took time to grip our poorer communities the hardest, it's going to take some time for middle class values to prevail in those communities once again. but to sit back and blame the turmoil of these communities on a Presidential election is just irresponsible, as well as completely untrue.
Anonymous said...
"I think a public service announcement on use of force is a great idea."
Yeah. Hopefully we can get them off that damn "Cops Are Cracking Down" crap!
Enough with the seat belt and DUI PSAs already.
12/07/2010 02:34:00 AM
How about "Don't do stupid shit and the police won't shoot you dead."
Does anyone in the ghetto ever graduate from high school? Everyone seems to be in a GED program, which in turn, makes me wonder just what all the tax money for schools is being spent on? How hard can CPS really be? Just look at most of the bosses...they made it....anyway. To the officer that popped this thug, you did what was right for what you knew at the time. Anybody tells you that you were wrong, FUCK THEM, if you were in danger when you shot him, then you were in danger....good enough for me. And fuck the monday morning poostabbers too, most of em don't have the balls.
"Jody is finally getting it, it's a little to late. He did better than Terry Hillard in this situation, just ask Tonya Haggerty formerly of the 6 th district
12/06/2010 09:24:00 PM"
Maybe you need to get it- Tonya Haggerty was the person shot, not the police officer who shot her. Obviously- you are not the authority you think you are- MORON!
Do you think we can stop the examples of case report writing on the blog? Am I the only one who see's something wrong about this?
I agree, but I believe the Fop has been sponsoring a program for drivers education that talks about what you should and should not do when stopped by "the police".
Chris Rock Video-That pretty much sums it all up very nicely.
This jerk had 17 Brothers and sisters! That says it all!
With so much legitimate snark to use against the stupid ass you have to pop up with that? My Dad was one of 13 kids; not a criminal in the lot. I have enough cousins to make up the entire CPD personnel shortfall if they all decided to move here and join. What does THAT say, besides that Italian Catholics tend to churn out a lot of bambinos? Where is the dividing line, 14? 15?
I have much respect for cops and all the other first responders who deal with crap that I'd never run toward, but sometimes the thoughtless hate that occasionally gets expressed here gets unnerving.
Great Job, Officer! Your CPD family is here for you. Don't sweat the paperwork, IPRA, civil lawsuit, lawyers, doubters, and shit talkers, etc. Stay above the fray. You did your job and you did it well. Don't second guess things either. Nobody knows what they will do unless and until they are confronted with that same situation. You followed the law (Use of Force Paradigm) and the Oath you took to Serve and Protect. You will prevail. Just give it some time. Take care of yourself.
Been There, Done That
To hipiap1: I would love to stop working so many jobs and be able to go to the range as much as possible. Many of us on this job can't stop working the extra part time jobs. With property taxes that keep going up, bills to be paid, tuition for kids, etc., some of us must work these part times. I try to shoot when possible, but it's not always easy to do so.
"OT: Anybody see this asshole Transportation Secretary Ray "the hood" LaHood wants to mandate back-up cameras in all new vehicles? They'll get the cost of a Ford Fiesta up to about $30,000."
Don't worry, the price of gas is going up to $4 next year...no cars, no cameras, no signs.....
It's doubtful that the poster of this paragraph is indeed someone of color, because there is absolutely NO TRUTH to this statement at all.
Problems in the black community didn't 'begin' with Obama's election; the problems with a significant number of black youth in our larger urban areas of the US began quite a few years before Obama was running for any public office. The problems began with the emergence of gangsta rap/hip-hop.
WRONG!!! The problem is people not teaching kids disicipline and respect! Music can't raise your child if YOU do! Its not the job of the community, the police, teachers or entertainers to raise your kids! WE (black people) need to quit looking to place blame and call it down the line! If your child is a fuck up, there is a large chance he/she was half raised and the parent is a fuck up as well! Gangsta rap didn't send your kid to the pen, a half ass parent did!
Anonymous said...
"OT: Anybody see this asshole Transportation Secretary Ray "the hood" LaHood wants to mandate back-up cameras in all new vehicles? They'll get the cost of a Ford Fiesta up to about $30,000."
Don't worry, the price of gas is going up to $4 next year...no cars, no cameras, no signs.....
12/07/2010 04:00:00 PM
A backup camera would cost around $35 in basic models. The technology is out there and already being mass produced, they are cheap.
I have a theory about Daley's decision to step down as mayor. The AUSA (Fitzgerald the puke) has got enough on Daley to put his ass away for eons, so Fitzgerald tells U.S Attorney Holder, Holder tells Obama, Obama thinks "", "Now I can finally get rid of this MF'r Daley, so Obama tells his lackey Holder, to tell Fitzgerald to tell Daley "Step down or else and we might even give your kid a pass." Daley thinks for a nano second and says "It's a deal, I got mine and more" Now Obama tells Rahm the door is open, Chicago is yours (and mine) for the taking. There it is folks democrats in action.
Fake Sgt. Said Long-Long's last clear thought. Maybe the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about.
Maybe you need to get it- Tonya Haggerty was the person shot, not the police officer who shot her. Obviously- you are not the authority you think you are- MORON!
12/07/2010 08:09:00 AM
Woah!!!!!!!
The poster is referring to Terry Hillard hanging the police out to dry. And that Haggerty was a sixth district resident and also acting the fool when she was shot and kilt.
12/6/10 9:50pm-move to the front of the class. I forgot about O'Malley (was it "Back Jack" on the buttons?) Care to name another Republican because I'm not eating crow because one slipped by. The point is still valid and I bet you agree. Balance of power is what makes democracy work. By the way my family liked Jack and not only because of his politics but as I recall, he has a nice family. I believe one of his son's or other family member and my brother in law have something in common.
I heard the sister of this deceased criminal talk about how she might not take the police test now since she is concerned that all of the cops are criminals.
I say to her: DON'T TAKE THE TEST! You do not have a fucking clue about police work, except your uneducated and ill-informed opinion. I can tell from your interview you are closed minded and you will do yourself a big favor by going to work for IPRA, but don't swell our ranks with your prejudices and hate.
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Oh, let her join the department. I can't wait til some mush points a curling iron with a long silver barrel at her in a dark alley (like happened to me a couple days out of the academy). She'll shoot the mush and the media will crucify her. Karma.
It wasn't Daleys decision to step down. His brother, the reigning patriarch of the Daley clan, called him from Washington DC, where he is monitoring every move the president makes, and told him he HAD to step down because they had to get Rahm the fuck out of DC before he started WW4. Mayor Daley isn't near as dangerous as his satanic brother or Rahm Emmanual. Not even close.
I've seen several of these idiots in 007 pretending like they are carrying a gun just to get a rise out of you. I stopped a kid who was doing exactly that and when I went to pat him down he said "Ha ha, gotcha!" They think it's a joke. Not so funny when you get shot as a result now is it?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
12/6/10 9:50pm-move to the front of the class. I forgot about O'Malley (was it "Back Jack" on the buttons?) Care to name another Republican because I'm not eating crow because one slipped by. The point is still valid and I bet you agree. Balance of power is what makes democracy work. By the way my family liked Jack and not only because of his politics but as I recall, he has a nice family. I believe one of his son's or other family member and my brother in law have something in common.
12/07/2010 09:40:00 PM
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You don't have to eat crow because of this statement. O'Malley was elected in COOK COUNTY. You said Chicago doesn't elect republicans.
So O'Malley doesn't count against you being wrong.
But the 41st ward does have a rupublican alderman. And has had one for most of the last 40 yrs I believe.
And at the city level, well I am 57 and I cannot name any Republicans elected in City government in my life time.
Alderman Brian Doherty (1991-2011)
Alderman John Hoellen 1947? - 1975
Cook County State's Attorney Bernard Carey (1972-1980)
Balance of power is what makes democracy work.
I agree! :) Officially, the US is a republic, not a democracy.
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