Rahm Touts Ramsey
Philadelphia Police Chief Charles Ramsey has “great strengths” that would be “natural for the job” of Chicago police superintendent, according to Mayor-elect Rahm Emanuel, who nevertheless vowed to “follow the process” laid out by law.
“From Chicago. Two proven departments under his belt of leadership. A proven record on community policing, which is important to us. The trust of the department (to solve) the morale issue, which is essential,” Emanuel told the Chicago Sun-Times in a recent one-on-one interview.
“He’s right. He doesn’t want to be rounding out any list (of finalists),” Emanuel said.” He rises in the list because of all of his natural strengths — by character, by leadership, by experience and by a proven record. ... He has a lot to offer. No doubt about it. Very strong candidate. Ramsey has some great strengths that would be natural for the job.”
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posted by SCC at 7:31 AM
154 Comments:
CAPS isn't a vampire program. It's a career builder program!
Can the dept find someone with an original thought. CAPS is not an original thought. Never was never will be.
Um, SCC!
Ramsey is over 63 years old and would be in violation of the City mandatory retirement ordinance for Public Safety people.
Then again the same old song like under the Daley Administration!
More smoke and mirrors!
Rahm better check with Mrs. Ramsey.... she may not want her man back in sin city Chicago with all those distractions that keep him away from home....
Masters cleared out his office on Saturday.
RAMSEY IS A COP'S COP-Awesome choice
Chuck is old school the pride will return to this once great department-Semper Fi
same old song ramsey will do as he is told to do
Man I love these names, Rahm, Ramsey, who's next Moses? So let it be written, let it be done.
Nope. Not gonna happen. Misdirection is not just the magicians tool.
We could do a HELLUVA lot worse than Ramsey as the last three years have demonstrated!
Rahm is such an ssshole. To even THINK of bringing in an outsider again is beyond ridiculous. Just more typical Chicago bullshit. As soon as I can find another job, I'm out.
a real chicao cop
strengths: walking the dog around Hyde Park with....eh, never mind;
more Caps nonsense....
QUESTION OF THE DAZE: name duh now capt., former exempt, then training academy sgt., given the golden knee-pad task, by Chucky Cheeze himself, to lead front-line supervisor CAPS training way back in 1994?
An excerpt From the Official Philadelphia Police Dept. Commissioners Blog, posted 5Nov10 by Commisioner Charles Ramsey;
Response to Corruption in the PPD...
On Thursday, November 4, 2010, a federal grand jury returned a multi-count indictment against a member of the Philadelphia Police Department, former Inspector Daniel Castro. Today, November 5, 2010, the FBI arrested Castro after a six-month internal investigation involving our federal partners. He is charged with an eight-count indictment, including extortion and lying to a federal officer.
The U.S. Attorney held a press conference this morning in which they read portions of the indictment and announced Castro’s arrest. His arrest comes at a time when the Philadelphia Police Department has already faced a number of corruption cases where other members of the Department have been arrested or fired for misconduct...Our credibility as a police department has been shaken due to these recent incidents. Today’s arrest of a former high-ranking commander of the Department further tarnishes our reputation. Too many members of our Department have strayed from ethical decision-making, and as a result, it has eroded the public trust.
OK, so he himself admits there are a number of cases where officers have been arrested and or fired and that HIS departments reputation is tarnished and HIS Departments credibility has been "shaken." All under HIS watch.
Isn't this why Phil Cline was asked to step down, yet Emmanuel thinks Ramsey is the perfect fit? Please Mr. Emmanuel or any of his people that read this blog,take a second to learn about the corruption that has festered during Chief Ramseys tenure. Is this what the citizens of Chicago want?
good riddance!
How can Rasmey be Superintendent he's 63. I thoght you have to retire when your 63. Isn't that a double standard.
A#1
I'll just repeat what i noted in a separate thread last week. He produced nothing as Chief of DC, and was promptly removed when Fenty (the closest thing you'd get to a Republican in DC) was elected. Ramsey was HATED by the rank and file, same as Katey Kakes reports is the case with Philadelphia's rank and file.
He is a do-nothing, know-nothing political hack who's only "accomplishment" was the empty-suit CAPS program that provided hiding places for legions of mice.
He might have been a good patrolman back in the 60s or whatever. It does not and has not ever made him a good chief.
I'm not the police but he looks like a good choice. Educated and seems to know the streets. I lived in DC Mass Ave when he was chief there. He worked well with the public and enforced the law. The District became a safer city.Didnt he start here in Chicago. I hope that it makes the beat cop happy. You guys seem to have been under the rock latley with that muscle man that couldnt dress nice.Lol be safe and thanks for what you do everyday
"say it is'nt so, joe" once again, its clear rahm is seeking retribution for the FOPs, endorsement of Chico. We were right, he's a prick. Chicagoans want change!!! The ranks want change. Ramsey, is more of the same. His tenure here, community policing, not a big success. His tenure in washingto DC, overrated. Philadelphia, a bust. He's lucky the Clintons and some other dumbmocrats, like him. They have been his patrons, whom like to shove him down citizens and patrolmans throats. We need a leader to bring this department back to its feet, not to keep it on its knees. Theres a reason daley, bypassed him, let him stay gone.
Maybe Ramsey will reopen the Koschman case and put the true offender, the son of a soon to be former Mayor at the forefront.
The question is now answered as to why a 29 year MBA enlists in the Army as a Specialist (never getting promoted) and then goes to Russia after the enlistment is up.
It is time to stop hiding it and let PD's horrific temper and drinking problem be known once and for all.
If it is alledged that Koschman was the aggressor, then let the entire truth be known.
Two cops decided that it would be a good idea to arrest and subsequently rob a drug dealer. Again, probably hoping to earn enough money to get the hell out of Philly. There was only one small hitch in their plan…this “drug dealer” was actually an undercover cop. Whoops.
For those of you keeping score at home, there have been 13 officers, including these two morons arrested since June of 2009.
Oh goodie.
Barf alert.
Hillard is 67. Ramsey is 63. Both are over the age limit and both are receiving a pension from CPD pension fund. So what happens to their pension. Do they still pay in? Do they still collect and does it raise if they get hired back? Can someone advise me? Anyone? Bueller?
OT....DOJ orders Dayton Ohio PD to lower testing standards in order to hire minorities. NAACP objects.
http://abc.daytonsnewssource.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wkef_vid_6103.shtml
What next?
SCC, that's a pretty light discussion of someone who may become the new superintendent. For all the excoriation of Weis on your site, people will look to you for a strong and well-thought out opinion of candidates to replace him. I for one would appreciate knowing what your site and its readers think of Ramsey as a potential top cop. Thanks.
From a civilian: There have got to be scores of excellent candidates both within the CPD & Nationwide. Can't they find someone who isn't a friend of so-and-so to do this? You have General Orders, an infrastructure in-place to respond to calls, etc., but it seems like all that is secondary to making sure the "right" person is chosen and not the most qualified.
CAPS= an extension of the alderman s office wherein they dump resposibilty to CPD.
Add an H and he will be Rahmsey!
And a return to the days of CAPS - the vampire program that just wouldn't die.
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NO WAY will they get the same liberal funding that it received under the Clinton administration.
CAPS flopped as a REAL crime fighting tool.
It is only a play toy for politicians to wheel and deal with the police department.
In this economy, "bullshit programs" should be properly cut from the budget.
Lord, help us all if this happens!!
Thats smoking mirrors.
Overheard at Headquarters where exempts should be more careful when discussing matters it was overheard that Rahm is adamant about getting a Superintendent and Fire Commish in place by the inauguration. He is reaching out seriously to Tom Dart for Superintendent and Mike Shields as the First (cause Shields may not be able to secure a Top Secrete Clearance which would be embarrassing to start). Keeps in place Peterson ( the screaming skull)and Skahill and Kirby. Together they could mold the rest of the exempt staff to Rahm's liking. Look for 10 to 11 exempt positions to be eliminated. Bye Bye E.B.
Ramsey's got his Good Enough Diploma
"Asked if Weis’ unprecedented $310,000-a-year salary would be reduced for the next superintendent, Emanuel said, “I’m not at that point yet in my review.”"
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PLEASE !!!!!!!!!
DO NOT PAY a superintendent $310,000 if he/she is from within the department.
He would the receive a
PENSION OVER $250,000!!!!!!!
DO THE RIGHT THING:
Pay ALL exempts their NON-exempt pay (lieutenant or captain's pay)
Then, pay them a "stipend" for the exempt position they are in.
EXAMPLE:
A lieutenant who finally would rise to superintendent would make his lieutenant's pay:
Appx. $110,000 @ year
then he would receive a stipend of Appx. $75,000 @ year.
He would only receive a pension based on $110,000 NOT the entire $185,000 that a Superintendent would normally receive.
ARE YOU LISTENING RAHM????
ramsey gets it and brown is his first deputy.
ask any of the police in Philly or D.C. what they think of ramsey and his leadership skills... just another carpetbagger just like weis and rahm
perfect!
WHY would a 63 year old man want the VERY stressful pressure of handling a NO-WIN situation.
I WOULD NOT TRUST any
character like this.
As useless as the CAPS program is, I'll take it over Mike Masters any day.
It sure sounds like Rahm wants to get everyone back on the CAPS bus.
What he needs to do is disband or reduce TRU and/ or MSF. That would be a shot in the arm to the decimated Patrol Division.
While he's at it most commanders/area etc. offices have anywhere from 3-6 full duty officers hiding in them. They'd be better utilized in a beat car.
Ramsey will be another supt. kissing the reverends ass, I don't think he will have the balls to say no to them. The CPD will again be runned by corrupt reverends and altercreatures, this is no justice.
Philly doesn't want him, y should we!!!!
Unfortunately Ramsey is a "has been". We need a Sup that knows the players in the Exempt Game and not go on what people tell him. You can replace the TopDog but can you replace all the whining followers? I hope so but only time will tell.
OT Did 011 get a replacement commander for Penny this morning? Rumor had it that Washington was returning
Rahm said, "... He has a lot to offer. No doubt about it. Very strong candidate. Ramsey has some great strengths that would be natural for the job.”
Yeah, right. Maybe a few years ago. But now, he is a way of pulling a Jody Weis with out really pulling in a Jody Weis.
Ramsey has been away too long and is now 63+(?) years old. Does he know anyone anymore? Is he loyal to anyone anymore? No, I think not. He will only be loyal to Pharough Rahmases and be another Weis-styole hatchetman.
By Ramsey being 63+ could this be an end of the city covered retired medical coverage?
Ramsey could be another Jody Weis, an outsider, with a million dollar paycheck.
Looks like Capt DeLoughery may stay on the job if Ramsey makes it
What about existing white shirts in the Dept. today ?
Anyone who bitches about this guy as our supt is a complete moron...lets not forget who we just got done with and who we could have as our supt... aunt bea or tina skahill. no thanks, chuck ramsey will be just fine with me
So I guess we're not getting a hot super like the one on chicago code
Ramsey is already retired from the CPD and drawing a Gold Braid pension. He did 8 years in DC and is collecting a pension from them, as well. He is currently the Philadelphia Police Commissioner where his base salary is $169,000+.
If Chicago is still offering the J-Fled payoff of $310,000 a year, Ramsey would have to be nuts not to take it. That would probably put him at $400,000 to $500,000 a year total. Not bad for a lowly public servant!
Rahm stated, months ago, he wanted to beef up the CAPS program. This is no surprise.
Rahm seems like the control freak type that will want his fingerprints all over CPD.
Could he fuck up this department worse than Shanks?
Time will tell.
There is no one within the organization? Ramsey has been gone so long the whole place is like a different world... he won't recognize it.. Plus, he should be psyched if he comes back...
CAPS has morphed into a completely different animal than when it started, and hasn't it basically died on the vine? It can't work, ever. it only looks good on paper, and it is totally unnecessary.
Rahm is just blowing smoke.
He's already promised the job to somebody else.
just another "blast from the past idiot" taffy apple ramsey is no better than jfled!
Did you forget about all those patronage jobs involved with caps? if you get elected to any of those district caps offices you were treated like an aldercreature. All the people on the government tit....One huge patronage army beholding to the new mayor daley...
CAPS = Socialism
I guess it is a done deal now,,,this is exactly how Tiny Dancer operates.
Rahm is such an ssshole. To even THINK of bringing in an outsider again is beyond ridiculous. Just more typical Chicago bullshit. As soon as I can find another job, I'm out.
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good riddance. One less cry baby to listen too in roll call...
1048 am what do u have 5 yrs on? ramsey WAS here a long time ago idiot
Hire someone new. Ramsey has been around forever!
CAPS = political jobs for the reverunds & others who are used to getting all the entitlements even though they aren't ("entitled").
New Day, Same old daley bullshit.
Ramsey is not 63. He will be 61 this month and would be a great selection as our next Sup. Marked improvement. Come on back!
Now we can really celebrate April's Police Partnership Day aka-the feast of St. Charles of Ramsey-Patron Saint of CAPS.
Hey poster who talked about the "mopeless situation" at city hall, could you please repost your masterpiece. I heard from a few of my buddies that it was hilarious, but I can't locate it anywhere on the blog. What day was it posted and under what thread? I know a few of those jokers and would love to comment on your observations
.....CAPS isn't a vampire program. It's a career builder program!....
For the Clouted and Connected Only!
.....Can the dept find someone with an original thought. CAPS is not an original thought. Never was never will be.....
Originally started in 020 as the Beat Rep Program in the early
1970's. Changed faces several times, mostly nonsense and a waste of Money$.
I have spoken to many dc and Philly cops. Ramsey isn't disliked, he is despised. There was an article posted here a few years ago about some policemen in dc that shot at a van that tried to run them over. Nobody was hit by gunfire. Ramsey tried to fire those policemen. Only after a lawsuit did they get their jobs back. Sounds like a true policeman's policeman... You will be wishing Jody was back very quickly.
Anonymous said...
Um, SCC!
Ramsey is over 63 years old and would be in violation of the City mandatory retirement ordinance for Public Safety people.
Then again the same old song like under the Daley Administration!
More smoke and mirrors!
3/14/2011 09:23:00 AM
DUH!
The Superintendent is a civilian position and has been since O W Wilson took the job in 1960. Most have been sworn, but its NOT a requirement. There also is no age requirement for this position. In fact, Terry Hillard is 67 as we speak!
Anonymous said...
Rahm is such an ssshole. To even THINK of bringing in an outsider again is beyond ridiculous. Just more typical Chicago bullshit. As soon as I can find another job, I'm out.
3/14/2011 10:48:00 AM
He's already drawing a CPD pension. That hardly makes him an outsider, dumb shit!
Anonymous said...
CAPS isn't a vampire program. It's a career builder program!
3/14/2011 09:04:00 AM
Anyone that doubts this just ask Lt. B.L.
Watch the whole thing. This is a Superintendent!
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=6423389
If you're referring to Deloughery, don't sweat it.
She drove Ramsey crazy, she was SO determined to get a spot out of her 'dedication' to CAPS. He completely dismissed her then.
You think he'd want a hanger-on whose only claim to fame is winning lawsuits to get her promotions? NOT HAPPENING.
This is the man who should be supt of police , Chief Richardson has served with distinction in both operational and administrative capacities, rising from Beat Officer to Deputy Superintendent. During his tenure with the Chicago Police Department, his assignments have included organizing the Police Department's presence for Presidential visits, WTO protests, the National Jewish Convention and World Cup Soccer. He has also served as liaison to numerous law enforcement and community agencies. As Chief of Patrol, Chief Richardson has overseen the Chicago Police Department's security strategy for public housing, public transportation and security operations at both O'Hare and Midway Airports. In addition, he devised Chicago's security and emergency preparedness strategies in the wake of September 11. His model became the template for six major police departments in the United States. Chief Richardson has also served as Chairperson of the Chicago Police Department's Awards Committee and was a member of the Merit Board. Throughout his career Chief Richardson has upheld the highest standards of police conduct and crime-prevention.
Um, SCC!
Ramsey is over 63 years old and would be in violation of the City mandatory retirement ordinance for Public Safety people.
Then again the same old song like under the Daley Administration!
More smoke and mirrors!
He would come back as a civilian Supt....no mandatory retirement age for civilians.
Only sworn need to be under 63! Get it through your thick skull that they could bring in Wilford Brimley (Phil Cline's dad) if they want. What the hell would Ramsey care? He is a retired P.O. And as such, he can carry a gun in the U.S. or any of her territories.
The "Barb McDonald Affair" will soon surface and terminate this ridiculous choice.
OT:
So if you point a gun at a Police Officer in Crook County and the gun turns out to be a fake, you will only be charged with a misdemeanor. Good to know.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/chibrknews-charges-filed-against-man-shot-by-police-20110314,0,7347539.story
Ramsey will not return to Chicago!
Ramsey has way too much baggage and too many enemies here.
Charlie stay put out East or become Public Enemy #1 in Chicago.
Both Hillard and Ramsey would be hired back as civilians, therefore not affecting their pensions. The 63 mandatory retirement age would not apply either.
Ramsey is already retired from the CPD and drawing a Gold Braid pension. He did 8 years in DC and is collecting a pension from them, as well. He is currently the Philadelphia Police Commissioner where his base salary is $169,000+.
If Chicago is still offering the J-Fled payoff of $310,000 a year, Ramsey would have to be nuts not to take it. That would probably put him at $400,000 to $500,000 a year total. Not bad for a lowly public servant!
3/14/2011 04:32:00 PM
THAT is the problem with the pensions! A couple years here and there and all of a sudden you're getting two and three pensions. When the schmuck taxpayer worked 45 years to get ONE that's a third of what these dweebs are getting.
But, hey, let's blame the unions.
---not a cop
Ramsey??...really?
Does this mean the his caddy Barb McDonald will return ,too?
Never forget them "sharing a moment" on stage at the 911 center in 1996.........
Great choices in the lead for SUP.
DART is a useless media moron.
RAMSEY was loved by the Police Officers in Washington & Philly, NOT!
At least "The Chicago Code" got this right, the Motorola batteries still suck, they still can't keep a charge and nobody gives a shit about that.
The Brass better be worried Chuck will shake things up for the better
O.T.
Rumor has it that Cmdr. Eugene Roy is being forced to retire or else be demoted to Capt. I have never met a bigger ego maniac or jagoff than Gene in my entire career.
It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Good riddance Gene!
Aristotle said... said...
Man I love these names, Rahm, Ramsey, who's next Moses? So let it be written, let it be done.
3/14/2011 10:12:00 AM
This made me laugh out loud. Thanks! LOL Good one!
Anonymous said...
Hillard is 67. Ramsey is 63. Both are over the age limit and both are receiving a pension from CPD pension fund. So what happens to their pension. Do they still pay in? Do they still collect and does it raise if they get hired back? Can someone advise me? Anyone? Bueller?
3/14/2011 12:05:00 PM
THE CODE OF ETHICS FORM WE SIGN STATES WE CANNOT COLLECT TWO PENSIONS FROM THE CITY. SOMEONE POST THAT FORM!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Um, SCC!
Ramsey is over 63 years old and would be in violation of the City mandatory retirement ordinance for Public Safety people.
Then again the same old song like under the Daley Administration!
More smoke and mirrors!
3/14/2011 09:23:00 AM
Dude, he doesn't have to be sworn to be the supe.
Charles Ramsey actual cares about this department and would a great choice. He didn't get last tine because he was going cut the number exempts and reduce the layers to two deputy. He left the hall with the job and when he got back to 11 & State, the clout hacks were screaming for Hillard so their jobs would be safe.
A couple of those Philly cop who are screaming - got fired for robbing a dope dealer they arrest - who was actually ab under cover cop. Find out why they are botching before you believe the crap.
As long as Ramsey doesn't bring that idiot Terry Gainer with him- No Confidence vote after only 3 months in D.C.- those guys are smarter than I thought.
Will Barbara McDonald be coming back also????
Will the wife be coming in throwing a public tantrum again????
Wow, what a short memory we have.
Good Times
Heh...
Why not just bring back Vance Henry?
That way the runnin' dog store front gang bangin' dope slingin', money launderin' rev'runs will have a mole inside CPD to gain access to information regarding long term criminal conspiracy investigations just like in the glory days of CAPS...
THESE FOOLS are the ones who need to have their underwear drawer rifled and the contents displayed sunny-side up by local media instead of The Police being literally hunted and chased down on the streets as part of the stuttering prick's "revenge" for "costing" him his shot at Olympic glory.
As coppers are being portrayed as the villains in this mess, too damn many of the wrong people aren't rotting alive while in custody of USBOP.
Too many of the same cast of characters with a major vested interest in making sure honest to God Policing and The Police in this city continue to be walked to a stand-still.
As far as Ramsey is concerned?
Judging from the cut of the man and his history, the last thing we need is another chief coming in and declaring war on the indians for appearances and cynical politics.
ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS SAYS:
Once again, the hypocrisy of the Democrats shows thru. Ramsey could be Supt. of the CPD at age 63 the mandatory retirement age of a CPD Officer. I know he would be a Civilian, and it doesn't apply LEGALLY, but it is a great example of the Crookago Way of Hypocrisy. Do as I say, Not as I do. Rules are for you, not me, the Democommiecrat way. What a sad joke the CPD has become, thanks to the Socialist Democrat Party's political meddling and ineptness.
Ot
What going on at MSF now? Tonight iad was in there and seized at least 3 desktop computers from the admin office. Could someone have been running a gambling operation from their office. No coincidence the admin staff was just dumped out to the streets last week. Stay tuned
From Wikipedia, regarding Ramsey's time in D.C. - "Ramsey's six-year tenure as commissioner saw crime rates decline about 40%, the expansion of community policing and traffic safety programs, and improved MPDC recruiting and hiring standards, training, equipment, facilities and fleet. He reorganized the department to cut bureaucracy, and created Regional Operations Commands to oversee the quality of D.C. police services. He helped to create a non-emergency 3-1-1 system and made crime information readily available to the public through CrimeReports.com"
Virtually all of the boxes Rahm said he wanted to see 'checked', hmmm? I've been saying it since November; it's Ramsey's, unless he doesn't want it.
Anonymous said...
If you're referring to Deloughery, don't sweat it...
You think he'd want a hanger-on whose only claim to fame is winning lawsuits to get her promotions?
3/14/2011 06:50:00 PM
Not her ONLY claim to fame. There's the retired exempt baby daddy who helped with that, too...
Anonymous said...
Hillard is 67. Ramsey is 63. Both are over the age limit and both are receiving a pension from CPD pension fund. So what happens to their pension. Do they still pay in? Do they still collect and does it raise if they get hired back? Can someone advise me? Anyone? Bueller?
3/14/2011 12:05:00 PM
THE CODE OF ETHICS FORM WE SIGN STATES WE CANNOT COLLECT TWO PENSIONS FROM THE CITY. SOMEONE POST THAT FORM!
3/14/2011 08:38:00 PM
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Get a grip, guys. Taking the job doesn't mean they get another PENSION.
1. You need ten years on to even qualify for a pension.
2. You can't get two pensions from the same entity.
3. If it becomes an issue that they are collecting a pension while also working for the Department (and let's just forget about the 2 1/2months Hilliard is going to be helping out), I will GUARANTEE you Ramsey will forego or suspend his pension payout in favor of the far larger salary of a police superintendent. Would YOU choose maybe fifty grand a year over supe's pay?
Seriously, calm down or you're going to have to take heart attack disability.
BRING BACK MAURER!!!
Can anybody do anything besides bitch. Typical police; complain about any and everything but never offer solid solutions to what you claim is a problem. Daley didn't pick Ramsey because he knew he couldn't control him and if any of you know-it-alls were around then, you would know that the department, as a whole, wanted Ramsey to be the next Sup. If you did your job you had no problem with Ramsey, which means that those of you doing all the complaining probably would.
Hello,
I invented community policing. I should have been the Superintendent back when Terry Hillard got the job. Thats when Chuck Ramsey got pissed off and quit. But I stayed. I'm retired now, but for $310,000 I'll come back!
Sincerely, LeRoy O'Shield
PS I had nothing to do with Pacman or Operation Broken Star.
OT - tonite's episode of Chicago Code nailed it !
Once again it appears that the worst lawyer in the country is making decisions that will affect people’s lives and he is doing based solely on skin color. What is happening in Dayton is indicative of the mentality of a government gone wild. What is going on is that the majority of people who passed the civil service test in that town back in 2006 where not black.
The Dayton Police Department is lowering its testing standards for recruits.It’s a move required by the U.S. Department of Justice after it says not enough Afro-Nooners passed the exam.
The hiring process was postponed for months because the D.O.J. and the Holder/Obummer Cabal rejected the original scores provided by the Dayton Civil Service Board, which administers the test.
Under the previous requirements, candidates had to get a 66% on part one of the exam and a 72% on part two.
The D.O.J. approved new scoring policy only requires potential police officers to get a 58% and a 63%. That’s the equivalent of an ‘F’ and a ‘D’.
“It becomes a safety issue for the people of our community,” said Dayton Fraternal Order of Police President, Randy Beane. “It becomes a safety issue to have an incompetent officer next to you in a life and death situation.”
Get this: “The NAACP does not support individuals failing a test and then having the opportunity to be gainfully employed,” agreed Dayton NAACP President Derrick Foward.
Once again, the hypocrisy of the Democrats shows thru. Ramsey could be Supt. of the CPD at age 63 the mandatory retirement age of a CPD Officer. I know he would be a Civilian, and it doesn't apply LEGALLY, but it is a great example of the Crookago Way of Hypocrisy. Do as I say, Not as I do. Rules are for you, not me, the Democommiecrat way. What a sad joke the CPD has become, thanks to the Socialist Democrat Party's political meddling and ineptness.
3/14/2011 09:15:00 PM
If this is the case, every police officer who retired within the last year or two or going to retire this year shouyld file a class action against the department for mandatorily retiring us when we were hired with no retirement age. Hell Townsend worked at the airport until he was 72.
Hey If Chuck can be Super at 63 can I stay till I turn 66?? why not
I think this is a mistake. Ramsey's people promoted 2-4 year cops to exempt rank. That's what started this stuff. Then Cline did it, then Weis. We don't need Ramsey, he didn't respect that officers need to earn their positions. He didn't respect the job we all do, to condone this behavior. We need someone more relevant.
Good choice
A previous 'poster' started in on the truth of why Ramsey did not get the nod years ago. Our Department then is just like many complaints of it now...Too Top Heavy! Ramsey would not budge on his strategy to streamline all these different Buruea's! That meant some of the clouted few would be out of those spots. In addition, like CAPS or not, it was the 'premium' policing model throughout the entire country. It was his baby... and it brought great notoriety. For those that can remember, he was brought back to Chicago from D.C. to present and launch the program. Last but not least...he was articulate, intelligent, had been a working Copper, from blue shirt through Command. HE POSED THE GREATEST THREAT TO 'SHORTSHANKS'! Why give him a platform to oust his boss... and then Hillard became the choice. Whether or not he becomes the Superintendent...read his resume...it's readily available online...quite impressive...and there is not one person currently working this job with those kind of credentials! Look for youself.
"And a return to the days of CAPS - the vampire program that just wouldn't die."
CAPS was initially "popular" because it was paid for by the G.
Once the money ran out, the program kind of fell to the wayside.
Will there be more federal money bankrolling this nightmare?
THE CODE OF ETHICS FORM WE SIGN STATES WE CANNOT COLLECT TWO PENSIONS FROM THE CITY. SOMEONE POST THAT FORM!
He wouldnt collect two.He would collect one big pension check and one big pay check.
"He is a do-nothing, know-nothing political hack who's only 'accomplishment' was the empty-suit CAPS program that provided hiding places for legions of mice."
He fits right in here!! This IS Chicago, after all.
"Hillard is 67. Ramsey is 63. Both are over the age limit and both are receiving a pension from CPD pension fund. So what happens to their pension. Do they still pay in? Do they still collect and does it raise if they get hired back? Can someone advise me? Anyone? Bueller?"
I'm no expert at this stuff but I expect that these men aren't brought in as sworn police. They are contractors. Age is not a factor.
HR218 allows them to carry a gun, so perhaps that's how they'll accomplish that. Maybe they won't even carry a gun.
Pension? I exect they're ineligible to pay into/collect from our pension fund. Maybe they'll be in another city fund, since they're not sworn. If they're simply private contractors, there may be no pension entitement. They'll simply be 1099 employees.
It's a diversion...
Anonymous bright red 1958 plymouth fury said...
QUESTION OF THE DAZE: name duh now capt., former exempt, then training academy sgt., given the golden knee-pad task, by Chucky Cheeze himself, to lead front-line supervisor CAPS training way back in 1994?
3/14/2011 11:02:00 AM
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Give it a rest Mike.
Anonymous said...
Hey If Chuck can be Super at 63 can I stay till I turn 66?? why not
3/14/2011 10:53:00 PM
Sure you can... If you can get someone to rehire you as a civilian.
Anonymous said...
Ot
What going on at MSF now? Tonight iad was in there and seized at least 3 desktop computers from the admin office. Could someone have been running a gambling operation from their office. No coincidence the admin staff was just dumped out to the streets last week. Stay tuned
You are wayyyyyyyyyy off on this one!
Anonymous said...
OT - tonite's episode of Chicago Code nailed it !
3/14/2011 10:00:00 PM
Really?
The show is getting stupider all the time!
Anonymous said...
OT - tonite's episode of Chicago Code nailed it !
3/14/2011 10:00:00 PM
Yeah! How realistic can you get?
Remember when our REAL Superintendent came and handed out batteries for the radios while chit-chatting with the blue shirts?
How about the plainclothes officers riding around with the pretty white female copper in the back seat with the gang banging drug dealer laying in her lap? Sure, happens every day!
What department do you work for?
Hey If Chuck can be Super at 63 can I stay till I turn 66?? why not
3/14/2011 10:53:00 PM
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Because he will be a civilian administrator, not a sworn law enforcement officer.
That's why not.
WE are required to be able to run, jump, shoot accurately and be physically able to back up our fellow officer in a public safety capacity.
His heavy lifting is restricted to sheets of paper.
He is not being hired to be a police officer.
O.T.
Rumor has it that Cmdr. Eugene Roy is being forced to retire or else be demoted to Capt. I have never met a bigger ego maniac or jagoff than Gene in my entire career.
It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Good riddance Gene!
3/14/2011 08:31:00 PM
If Ramsey is Rahm's choice, Gene Roy will not be going anywhere not of his liking. There's a tie that binds, a very strong tie. Roy will do his best to hang on until the decision is made. Roy could very well have the last laugh, but either way it falls, you are correct in your assessment. Roy is an ego maniac and a real asshole's asshole. He needs to get the boot!
To 1048am Ramsey came form cpd left after HIllard got the job of sup in 98. He spent most of his lawenforcement career with cpd.
"He rises in the list because of all of his natural strengths — by character, by leadership, by experience and by a proven record."
Tired old political hack, burnout wth 'way too much baggage. Looks like he'd throw up his internal organs and drop dead if you ran him once around the block. We can do much better.
Supt. of the CPD at age 63 the mandatory retirement age of a CPD Officer. I know he would be a Civilian, and it doesn't apply LEGALLY, but it is a great example of the Crookago Way of Hypocrisy,,,,Isn't that why they are called Exempt??????
Hillard is 67. Ramsey is 63. Both are over the age limit and both are receiving a pension from CPD pension fund. So what happens to their pension. Do they still pay in? Do they still collect and does it raise if they get hired back? Can someone advise me? Anyone? Bueller?
3/14/2011 12:05:00 PM
Do what the suburban chiefs do, get hired back as a civilian. However, suburb chiefs can't collect the first pension while holding the new job...if in the same dept. Don't know about CPD pension rules.
Do you know who puts Wikipedia information in Wikipedia? Anybody! In Ramsey's case, I'm pretty sure I know who put the information in, Ramsey!
"...HR218 allows them to carry a gun, so perhaps that's how they'll accomplish that. Maybe they won't even carry a gun..."
3/14/2011 11:38:00 PM
They won't be REQUIRED to carry a gun but both will be ELIGIBLE to carry by virtue of their Retired Peace Officer status.
Seems to me many of the comments on this blog are fueled by jealousy and bitterness. After reading the comments on Ramsey and Radney by people who obviously never knew them but felt like they had to trash talk them, I now am sceptical about the validity of anything on this blog. It also seems like comments about other p.o.s, bosses, etc. are 99.9% negative. Are we really that bad as a group? I don't think so. We criticize the press for only portraying the negative about us and we, alas, are guilty of the same thing. How about sharing some comments about the good things that happen?..The good people out there? Dont see that too often on this blog.
Talked to dc coppers back when he was in charge their. They hated him.
RAMSEY will be another JODY P. WEIS
Think about it.
Rahm has no love of the CPD and knows that most of us either didn't vote or voted against him. He does not want to rebuild the department, either in size, morale or anything else. The two-thousand cops he said he would hire will be just stop gap for all the new retirees.
Ramsey left the CPD pissed off; his vision of a totally CAPsized department was rejected or it ran out of federal money. He wasn't picked as Superintendent then and sent packing.
Rahm has no loyalty to the CPD or anyone in it and wants a hatchetman like Jody Weis but knows that is too hot to do again.
Ramsey left CPD mad and everyone he was loyal to is either dead or retired. He will have only one loyalty now and that is to the Rahmfather and his huge paycheck.
Stay safe, if you didn't vote in the mayoral election, here is the result.
I dont think age limits apply to this exempt position. I know Ramsey and Hillard do not get along, so expect even more changes when Terry leaves
Ahh yeah, fishing in the same old tired and limited gene pool. If you want to put someone that does'nt know how to do a job in a spot, at least put someone good to look at, like "Obama Girl" or something. I mean she's from the administration right?
same old song ramsey will do as he is told to do
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Whoever ends up with the job will be a Rahm lackey who will do as he is told.
Rahm is starting his own empire and he is not going to hire people with integrity or independence. Even if a person showed some in the past, part of the deal will be they become his lackey.
Why do you think it cost $1 million to get Weis? That was his price.
Anonymous said...
bright red 1958 plymouth fury said...
QUESTION OF THE DAZE: name duh now capt., former exempt, then training academy sgt., given the golden knee-pad task, by Chucky Cheeze himself, to lead front-line supervisor CAPS training way back in 1994?
3/14/2011 11:02:00 AM
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Give it a rest Mike.
3/15/2011 12:09:00 AM
When is Christine Kolman retiring?
Who is Mike?
--In addition, like CAPS or not, it was the 'premium' policing model throughout the entire country. --
Actually, this is entirely 100% incorrect. It was the model for Chicago and a few following Democratic cities that couldn't find their own asses with Huberman's hands.
The 'premium' model of policing at the time and still today originated with Evans in Boston, and followed by Bratton in NYC and then later LA. Last I heard Evans was the head of the UK's policing standards body after he left Boston, and Bratton is, if I recall correctly, originally from Boston and served under Evans.
Anyway, the premium model is to actually identify problems and then address the problems. The premium model is to hold supervisors 100% accountable for their responsibilities and charges.
If you want to see results than take a look at what happened in Boston, and then NY, and then LA. Ramsey has literally ZERO record of any such improvement in DC or Philadelphia, and every single person in the Chicago PD knows how little value the CAPS model ever produced.
Not sure where you get the idea that community policing was ever the 'premium' when no other major city came close to adopting this little failed experiment, but the idea is 100% wrong.
I took SCC's post and put it on the private Philly LEO forum. Here are some of the replies:
"DarthFlyer": Rahm Emanuel follow the "process of law"? I wanna puke. To say his election was bought and paid for is a bigger understatement than Japan having some minor problems over the weekend. This POS was one of, if not the most, corrupt members of Obama's regime. He reeks of Chicago politics; then again, so does his former boss. Freckles is nothing more than a Democratic puppet anyway so given his background in Chicago he'd be at home like a pig in shit - literally.
This fat fuck is certainly a character, but leadership? Now I wanna puke even more. Yeah he was so great in D.C. they reverted back to the old system before he got there. Again, the only thing Freckles has going for him is he'll suck the dicks of the politicians and the media.
"Captain Crunch": "Solve the morale issue?" He IS the fucking morale issue!
John: RAHM.......PLEASE TAKE HIM!!!!
"south philly slugger": its all BS, they are patting each other on the back every chance they get - you think we would have heard this if he was critical of him?
coughnumbersfudgingcough
"Fluff": Go Ramsay... just f'kng go... and take your stars and 25 DC's with you...
The PPD will be FINE w/o you... trust me.
"shade": Dear Commissioner Ramsey,
In light of your possible move back to Chicago, we the department want to wish you well and hope that the door doesn't hit you on the way out.
Sincerely,
Rank and file officers out doing the J.O.B. every day.
"fluff": I wouldn't be so kind, Shade...
"Gingerbread Man": RAHM IS A LITTLE JITBAG AND SO IS RAMSEY. THEY ARE PERFECT TOGETHER.
Anonymous said...
THE CODE OF ETHICS FORM WE SIGN STATES WE CANNOT COLLECT TWO PENSIONS FROM THE CITY. SOMEONE POST THAT FORM!
He wouldnt collect two.He would collect one big pension check and one big pay check.
3/14/2011 11:30:00 PM
During jfleds regime the signs at HDQTRS said " Earned, Not Given" imagine that. Wake up sleepy, they can do anything they want.
Chuck Ramsey speaking at the funeral of slain Philly P/O McDonald
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=6423389
I worked for him...lazy is an understatement
I bet Lt. VG is really praying hard for Ramsey. He can't wait for another bump up. Two meritorious bumps is not enough.
done deal. ramsey is taking the job. Ramsey was referred by hillard. Ramsey has strong hyde park connections which also include you know who. With all of that said I really dont care. I would be more than happy to have Ramsey as our supt. He was a hell of a copper and a great boss. He will cut the command staff down drastically and will choose PROVEN police officers to lead... He is very unimpressed or influenced by politics or clout... The reason he didnt get it and hillard did in the 90s is because he told daley exactaly what was gonna be done if he was boss and daley didnt like it. Needless to say by the end of the meeting Ramsey didnt budge on daleys "concerns" and stood firm on his position. Ramsey one of the fairest bosses ive ever worked for. He didnt care if you were black, white, male or female and if you knew nobody or if you knew the president he based his opinion on how you did your job as a police officer. Trust me boys and girls, if you are a dog this guy wont hurt you but he wont make it easy on you.. if you still do work(not just arrests) by answering your jobs, writing some movers, parkers, taking a car and an arrest here and there and dont dog it then ramsey will be a great boss. He does not like the dog..so im afraid many that visit and comment on this site are going to be a little unhappy by this pick. sorry pooches!
Do you know who puts Wikipedia information in Wikipedia? Anybody! In Ramsey's case, I'm pretty sure I know who put the information in, Ramsey!
3/15/2011 08:04:00 AM
Then, feel free to go into Wiki and change it. But remember, facts, not conjecture, and citations to back up your facts.
Who is Mike?
3/15/2011 11:37:00 AM
Don't know but he won't like it; he hates everything
You crucified J-Fled with his own words, Sgt. Northen. J-Fled is a loser. Outstanding.
HA HA Good luck with the half assed carpet bagging traveling gypsie jit bag. He'll make a few examples out of a few unfortunates so he can write that shit in gold leaf in his bloated back stabbing dossier resume. As if CPD hasn't been walked all over enough already.
Seems to me many of the comments on this blog are fueled by jealousy and bitterness. After reading the comments on Ramsey and Radney by people who obviously never knew them but felt like they had to trash talk them, I now am sceptical about the validity of anything on this blog. It also seems like comments about other p.o.s, bosses, etc. are 99.9% negative. Are we really that bad as a group? I don't think so. We criticize the press for only portraying the negative about us and we, alas, are guilty of the same thing. How about sharing some comments about the good things that happen?..The good people out there? Dont see that too often on this blog.
3/15/2011 08:35:00 AM
...says Sister Mary Do-gooder, now how about a big AMEN!
What is the "Barb Mc Donald Affair"?
If he is 63, he can not be a sworn Chicago Police Officer. Since he is not a sworn officer he can not wear a star or a uniform. Too bad we can't find someone who is under 63 to run this department!
We just recently pared our CAPS office down to 2-3 after it had peaked at about 14!!
If Ramsey comes back as Supe, especially with Rahm constantly touting CAPS, the CAPS offices will be overflowing again. I personally don't see that as a good thing. CAPS is nothing more than an over touted smoke and mirror bullshit office. It also happens to be a magnet for do nothing officers who seem to be allergic to the street.
Ernie Brown was Ramsey's admin lieutenant when he was Deputy Superintendent. That means DTEB is his guy.
We are so fucked.
Ramsey adked Ernie Brown to come to Washington DC police department when Brown was just a lieutenant.Brown told him his future is in Chicago and did not go. If Ramsey comes back, I really do not think Brown is in any danger.
I know people in Washing DC and they liked Ramsey when he was there. He took over, along with Gainer, a corrupt inefficient department and turned it around. I also just returned from DC and spent some time with some former Philidephia detectives. They also spoke highly of Ramsey who took over a department rife with corruption. So do not believe everything you read on this blog regarding Ramsey. The CPD needs a new direction, a new way of doing business. Fairness in assignments and promotions. The detective division needs to be cleaned out of the political hacks and needs leadership.The quality of investigations over the years has been a national embarassment.
What is the "Barb Mc Donald Affair"?
3/16/2011 07:18:00 AM
google Agatha Christie.
Re CAPS - why not take the police cadets that won't be hired and make the alderthieves pay them?
-just a citizen that respects CPD and appreciates what you do (exempts and meritcloutorious excluded)
Can't be Dart he never graduated from a police school!
Ramsey will not come. He does not believe in Saul Alinsky, Axelrod, Soros or Mao.
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