Where's Our Bonus?
Mayor-elect Rahm Emanuel already has proposed creating a local version of the federal “Race to the Top” fund to reward the best teachers and schools. He also has suggested five-year performance contracts for every Chicago Public School.
Now, he’s dangling a cash carrot in front of school bosses.
In an interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, Emanuel proposed cash incentives to reward the best-performing principals.
Performing at what? Juggling? Grade inflation? Cooking the books? The minute cash gets offered, bad things happen. Imagine giving police commanders bonuses for keeping crime under certain levels. Or index numbers above certain levels. What do you think is going to happen?
Commanders have zero to do with the actual results of keeping crime in check - they're at meetings, not out there arresting people. Principals have about the same effect on educating children - it's the teachers (most of them at least) that educate, not the bureaucrat.
Commanders have zero to do with the actual results of keeping crime in check - they're at meetings, not out there arresting people. Principals have about the same effect on educating children - it's the teachers (most of them at least) that educate, not the bureaucrat.
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
65 Comments:
"Imagine giving police commanders bonuses for keeping crime under certain levels. Or index numbers above certain levels. What do you think is going to happen?"
An overblown, overpaid travesty like JPWeis would happen.
Oh, wait. It already has. And then, someday, the REAL numbers surface.
How about incentives for Tickets. 1 % of your annual ticket gross?
the city could be out of debt in a year. One Parker book a day at an average of 50 bucks per, = 1250 x 4 day work week = 5000 x lets say 45 weeks 225,000 bucks x lets say 6000 ticket writers 1,350,000,000 bucks
1 % of 225,000 per Officer = 2250 christmas bonus
I would say 2 percent is even very fair, and a great income tool.
The police would step up to get the city out of debt and they would reciprocate with a 1 or 2 % incentive.
AND THATS JUST PARKERS..but remember IVC doesnt count..only MCC
School budgets are cutting out assistance teachers are getting. How is a teacher expected to teach 35 kids (five with ADD)? Use the bonus money to provide for smaller class sizes or help.
Downed beat cars citywide for 14 MAR:
002: 4
008: 1
009: 1
013: 2
014: 1
016: 3
019: 3
022: 1
16 downed beat cars for the city. Wow.
Off topic:
Is it true that merit-cloutorious Lt. RayRay has been booted off as cmdr of the Rahm detail, and returned to SWAT? And if so, why? SWAT already has a Lt. assigned to manage it. I'm sure 003 could use another Lt., even one as piss poor as RayRay. Heck, he might even learn how to be a boss while he's out there.
And does he still have a Dept. take home car?
We don't get a bonus. Don't you remember:
"Crime is Down...Wait a Minute...
It isn't down at all? It's up? And up 18%?"?
Even if we did get a bonus when crime went down, it'd be run just like everything else; the clouted would get the cash. The rest of us, not so much.
Off topic: Looks like Rahm has picked his Supt. Already according to fran speilmans sun times article.
OT: Any southside officers maybe in 006 know the location of that unusual street that looks like a suburban subdivision that has a pond and a fountain.
On tonight's 60 Minutes, teachers in a NYC charter school were paid $125,000 per year but were at will employees. These teachers were assumed to be the best of best teachers in the nation. Scores on standardized NY State math and reading tests under these teachers were under those of similar schools. The students of these well paid teachers came from poor hispanic families. No mention of family involvement (parents reading to their kids) was made in the program.
Throwing money at the problem is not going to help unless parents, teachers, and principals are going to work together. Don't expect this to work in Chicago either.
Imagine what kind of lies a Police Superintendent might tell about homicide statistics if he thinks someone may pay him TWO SALARIES for doing only ONE job?
Here comes the theft under the guise of progressive progress. This is how the faithful will be rewarded.
Nothing will ever change in this town. When will they catch the schools cooking books like J-Fled cooked the crime stats? He hasn't been gone two weeks and they caught that one already.
Rahm-meister is going to be a one term mayor. He is looking to move to on to bigger and better things such as the US Senate and then the eventual Presidential run.
To make this all happen, Rahm needs some big numbers highlighting his mayoral achievements on improving education, reducing crime and pension costs. Of course the reduction in crime and improved education will be accomplished through smoke and mirrors.
Education has been Daley's focus for the past 20 years. The result of Daley oversight has lead to very little if no improvement. Case in point, 80% of students enrolling in City Colleges of Chicago, who are almost all CPS graduates, need some form of developmental education. Some of these CPS graduates can barely read. It was not uncommon that many graduating high school students were reading at the 7th grade or lower level. How is a school principal going to improve these numbers? Any improvement of student learning will depend on what support these kids are getting at home. The City and State cannot provide this support. It must come the parents.
SCC, Rahm knows best! Just like the recent news report stating former Dep. Supt. Ramsey is a front runner to be our new Supt.
Rahmmie, please give me faith that you can find someone that has at least LIVED in Chicago for the past decade. Ramsey has not ben in Chicago since 1998. Thirteen years!
Wait. Rahmmie likes "Chicagoans" who spend years and time away from "home". Just like himself.
Ramsey has just amount of a clue about Chicago's issues as did Weis. Maybe less because Ramsey thinks he knows.
Been a decade. Things gave changed. And remember why he was not chosen back then. Has he changed his ways?
OFF TOPIC...BUT VERY IMPORTANT!
Early Voting begins today in 14 wards for Aldermanic runoff elections.
It’s time to vote again in Chicago and our chance.
Early voting at 17 sites in the city starts today to decide runoff races for aldermen in 14 wards.
The April 5 runoffs are for wards in which no candidate got more than 50 percent of the vote last month. The top two vote-getters then advanced to the runoff.
Rahm and the 50-member City Council will be sworn into office on May 16.
Turnout is expected to be low and is between a Daley appointed incumbent and an independent candidate.
HERE'S OUR CHANCE to vote out some of those Daley stooges ad maybe get some people in who will fight against all the new Rahm Taxes.
rahm should start a "fantasy policing" model here..$5 extra if part 1 (except agg assaults and burglaries). $1 for narc cases agg asaults and burgs.
I've seen in the past complaints about manpower shortages. How about doing away with units that do the same things. Do you really need both tact and gang units? Bomb and Arson? Couldn't or shouldn't fire handle that? Adjustments or restructuring is needed.
I thought some of the teachers were already complaining that they had to fudge scores to make the school look good. Now it will only get worse.
If this happens, we will be lucky if the "students" graduate with a
1st grade education.
Oh, wait....that is already happening.
daley gave teachers 20% raise over 5 years , now he complains
Throw money at the problem = Problem Solved. Ha, ha.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: Any southside officers maybe in 006 know the location of that unusual street that looks like a suburban subdivision that has a pond and a fountain.
3/14/2011 03:23:00 AM
76th/79th-Wallace/Normal. Winneconna PKWY runs through the middle. St. Georges Hospital used to be there. My Uncle was an MD there.
Revolver Police
3:23 AM
W. Winnecona Parkway (near 78th and Harvard between RR tracks and Vincennes)
Used to be an Irish neighborhood a half century ago. Was great for winter ice skating. Winding street about a quarter mile in length with the pond in the middle.
7600 block of parnell?
Didn't the late Michael Scott (Daley pal) have a bonus pay in effect during and before his demise?
Rewarding principals for the efforts their teachers, who with limited resources to do their job?
If there is going to be rewards, how about deductions in pay for the deadbeat principals?
Huntsman screwed up an already fcked up system and no amount of money will correct it. The entire Bd of Ed needs a revamp.
How about just funding the PENSIONS with those tax dollars.
Kinda' reminds you of a good ole' fashioned "EDGE" Mission. I'll race you to the nearest outdoor b-ball game
Google Map it = W. Winneconna Parkway
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=7900+s.+halsted+chicago&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=Chicago,+IL&cid=0,0,17692247098412723904&ei=Gyp-Tfm5HIv_rAGItLzeBQ&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA
Shorty has a lot of balls being critical of the fucked up board of education he oversaw. Blame everyone else is his policy. Don't forget he is a product of De La Salle High School not the public school system. Seems the religion/ethics classes didn't stick.
As much as I hate to say it eugenics may be necessary. If they can't make it out of eighth grade and read and write at grade level, sterilize them (Margaret Sanger's idea).
If they show a tendancy towards violence, lobotomize them.
Anonymous said...
OT: Any southside officers maybe in 006 know the location of that unusual street that looks like a suburban subdivision that has a pond and a fountain.
Just west of Vincennes and one block north of 79th street you will find winneconna parkway. The city even stocks it with fish.
OT: Any southside officers maybe in 006 know the location of that unusual street that looks like a suburban subdivision that has a pond and a fountain.
It's winneconna pkwy. near 79 Th, and normal.
Why reward the principals ?
They are now at the beck and call
of the Local School Councils who
really run the schools.
The principal is just a figurehead
and most of them don't have a clue
as to how to run a school and
effectively deal with children,
parents, and bureaucrats.
And by the way, where is the money
coming form to reward them ?
The Chicago Board of Education
claims they are broke and bearly
has enough for regular operations.
Remember last year when they had
to furlough teachers to save money?
Mayor Daley didn't want good schools. He just wanted to control the money. Siphoning-off the
property tax money for TIF's and
forcing the Board of Ed to raise
property taxes to the max to run
the system and Daley was right
there with his syphon hose.
When Arne Duncan left and went
to work for Obama, instead of
replacing him with Dr. Barbara
Eason-Watkins, an educator to run
the board, and schools he turned it over to the
firm of Huberman and Mazanky.
Two yahoos who don't have a about
running a public education system.
And damm if they aren't turning out
"defective" products.
But they always need more and more
of taxpayers money.
006. Winnecona Parkway.
OT: Any southside officers maybe in 006 know the location of that unusual street that looks like a suburban subdivision that has a pond and a fountain.
3/14/2011 03:23:00 AM
approx 77th and normal
"... Bomb and Arson? Couldn't or shouldn't fire handle that? Adjustments or restructuring is needed.
3/14/2011 08:00:00 AM"
Fighting fires and making rescues are very different skills than investigating the web of crimes that come from bomb and arson cases. Once the fire is out and the smoke is cleared it is a matter of checking records, examining evidence, interviews and preparing cases for court and that is a case for detectives.
Bomb Techs and Arson Investigators used to be the most educated and specialized personnel in the department. In the past few years Chicago has thrown away a lot of the institutional memory and experience from these people. This has been extremely foolish considering the possibility of terrorist attacks.
That street in 006 with the pond is Winniconda Park, off of Winniconda Parkway. It is about one block west of Vincennes between 78-77th st
rosco said...
I've seen in the past complaints about manpower shortages. How about doing away with units that do the same things. Do you really need both tact and gang units? Bomb and Arson? Couldn't or shouldn't fire handle that? Adjustments or restructuring is needed.
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Sorry Rosco, but firemen have no business investigating crimes.
I've seen in the past complaints about manpower shortages. How about doing away with units that do the same things. Do you really need both tact and gang units? Bomb and Arson? Couldn't or shouldn't fire handle that? Adjustments or restructuring is needed.
Don't you folks realize Arson and possession of a bomb etc...are crimes that need to be investigated by law enforcement? hello!!!!!!!!
how about a bonus for not going on the medical for a year--- maybe something similar to the physical fitness incentive or maybe a few extra personal days on the books.....
The little block in 006 that you talk about is on 76th street, and I believe it's on Normal. It's surrounded by shit and the houses are given for free to those who offer to foster children. It's a children's community and they're brand new houses built within the last 5 or 6 years. The only other nice area of 006 that I can think of is right behind the Stone Terrace lo-rise over on 85th off of Vincennes. Those are brand new houses butting up against the railroad tracks. A burglar's delight. Burglarize a home and head over the tracks for a quick getaway.
Just more money thrown into that black hole called " education " that just keeps on failing & will continue to do so.
Next time you pass ANY school, count how many students are carrying books.
Better of building a bullet train...another waste of money but at least it's nice & shiny.
rosco said...
I've seen in the past complaints about manpower shortages. How about doing away with units that do the same things. Do you really need both tact and gang units? Bomb and Arson? Couldn't or shouldn't fire handle that? Adjustments or restructuring is needed.
3/14/2011 08:00:00 AM
jeez, can you rahmbutt suck asses be any more obvious?
OT: Any southside officers maybe in 006 know the location of that unusual street that looks like a suburban subdivision that has a pond and a fountain.
winneconna pkwy west of vincennes and east of halsted
How about incentives for Tickets. 1 % of your annual ticket gross?
the city could be out of debt in a year. One Parker book a day at an average of 50 bucks per, = 1250 x 4 day work week = 5000 x lets say 45 weeks 225,000 bucks x lets say 6000 ticket writers 1,350,000,000 bucks
1 % of 225,000 per Officer = 2250 christmas bonus
I would say 2 percent is even very fair, and a great income tool.
The police would step up to get the city out of debt and they would reciprocate with a 1 or 2 % incentive.
AND THATS JUST PARKERS..but remember IVC doesnt count..only MCC
3/14/2011 12:50:00 AM
keeerist, don't you rahmbutters ever sleep?
''save the children'' its the dem motto. gun control/dont cut the budget/throw $$$ at the pit called CPS. it doesnt take a village of taxpayers...just TWO parents that give a shit. our bonus? they give another worthless crimefighter pin for the little generals to show off.
Anonymous said...
OT: Any southside officers maybe in 006 know the location of that unusual street that looks like a suburban subdivision that has a pond and a fountain.
3/14/2011 03:23:00 AM
Are referring to Winneconna Parkway? It's just west of Vincennes @77th? It is a nice little park, but it's best days are gone. Thats the only one in 6 that I can think of.
rosco said...
I've seen in the past complaints about manpower shortages. How about doing away with units that do the same things. Do you really need both tact and gang units? Bomb and Arson? Couldn't or shouldn't fire handle that? Adjustments or restructuring is needed.
3/14/2011 08:00:00 AM
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I agree that some units are just doing the same as others. Disband most and put them back in the district to help answer all the calls.
As fas as B&A, I have a friend on the fire side that use to work in OFI(office of fire investigation). He said the reason it's a to department job is that CFD determines if the fire was accidental of purposely se, where it was started & what was used. Then the police investigate to solve the crime & make arrest. CFD members don't have the expierence of staff to investigate.
'Good. I'm sick and tired of the lazy ass slugs on my watch that don't do shit!'
So, bid out of 023. At least leave the 3rd watch!
3/14/2011 01:07:00 AM
Horseshit! I work in a busy westside district, I remember when I got here a few years ago about 2/3's of the watch worked hard, we had a few dogs, and everybody else did at least what was required of them (backing each other up, and handle calls in a timely manner).
And don't give any of this"hair gel/ wait till you get some time on kid" bullshit. When I first got to my watch there were guys with 10, 13, 15 years on the job who are still out there locking motherfuckers up everyday.
It makes me sick, when it's a busy weekend night and there are 2,3,4 cars holding themselves down till they get a tahoe, or talking to the watch secretary for 2 hours. And don't get me started on the female p.o.'s, who only manage to go down on a stop when you need one for a search. Now, I've worked with some great female coppers, but it's like these broads got together one day and decided not to do a god damn thing!
Sorry to rant, there is more that grinds my gears, but it's time to enjoy my day of! be safe.
Winnaconna Pkwy, site of the former St. Geroges Hospital
OT: Any southside officers maybe in 006 know the location of that unusual street that looks like a suburban subdivision that has a pond and a fountain.
That would be Winnecona Pkwy, just west of Halsted and 78th.
Signed,
Not a cop
Downed beat cars citywide for 14 MAR:
002: 4
008: 1
009: 1
013: 2
014: 1
016: 3
019: 3
022: 1
16 downed beat cars for the city. Wow.
3/14/2011 01:08:00 AM
Wrong 5 out of 12 cars were down last night!
Wagon, Plain cloths, Traffic (DUI CAR) and desk people all assigned to BEAT cars and no one is really working them!!!!!
Remember when CEO'S compensation packages were tied to the stock price of the company? They manipulated the stock price as high as possible, made millions, and did not give a shit if the company was actually going into the toilet. Yeah, this is a good idea.
How much is the mayor paying Hillard for the two months?
Will the next superintendents salary be less than jfleds?
"AND THATS JUST PARKERS..but remember IVC doesnt count..only MCC
3/14/2011 12:50:00 AM"
Screw parkers, do you want every possible parker written, including to you and yours.
They already get a bonus. it's called getting 3+ months off each year and getting paid for a full years work.
002: 4
008: 1
009: 1
013: 2
014: 1
016: 3
019: 3
022: 1
16 downed beat cars for the city. Wow.
3/14/2011 01:08:00 AM
WOW, and the openings for the 4th period are all in in the ghetto. No North or good South side districts open. Funny, all the districts where coppers live have downed bt cars. Yeah, it's all legit! Different boss, same ol' shit.
Oh DONT I WISH, that some form of Incentive was implemented in Chicago. I would be a Traffic & Parking writing maniac.
battery's amd assaults against the TMA's and Revenue would increase 100%
Rosco... Contrary to popular belief.. Tact and gangs do two very different things.. Gangs as is is now structured concentrates a lot more on.... Gangs as it always should have and NOT pissers and drinkers... For a bad example..sorry. Gangs are assigned to particular gangs and need to know who/what is doing what.. Lots of informants signed up last couple years...lots of search warrants etc. Tact handles more quality of life issues within their districts as well as burglars, car thefts etc... They are the guys who know what the hypes and burglars are doing in their districts.. They know who the assholes are that steal cars, break into your garage etc.. The go to guys for general info. They may also deal with gangs but on a different level than the gang guys do.
OUr Bonus!?!?
More of, "The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury." attributed to George Washington.
Just head on Channel 7 News, "A plan to Lake Shore Drive a whole new look."
Wooow, more money spent on flower boxes and trees; less on public safety and the debts to our pension funds.
Our "bonus" comes under the guise of "merit"
BREAKING NEWS FOR PATROL: COME THE 16th!!!
Back to the district (BASED ON SENIORITY):
175 for MSF
50 TRU
50 GEU
See the new/old faces back in their previous dist of assignment. LT's SL and DG to stay in 153, PK gone, VG getting tapped to run the show there in 153!! Keeping only 10 Sgt's (seniority) in 153. Let the phone calls begin.
Super Bid to follow the cuts in 30 days.
3/13/2011 07:45:00 PM
Well, any truth to this? I heard some people from MSF are already getting their PAR Forms ready.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Rosco... Contrary to popular belief.. Tact and gangs do two very different things.. Gangs as is is now structured concentrates a lot more on.... Gangs as it always should have and NOT pissers and drinkers... For a bad example..sorry. Gangs are assigned to particular gangs and need to know who/what is doing what.. Lots of informants signed up last couple years...lots of search warrants etc. Tact handles more quality of life issues within their districts as well as burglars, car thefts etc... They are the guys who know what the hypes and burglars are doing in their districts.. They know who the assholes are that steal cars, break into your garage etc.. The go to guys for general info. They may also deal with gangs but on a different level than the gang guys do.
3/14/2011 04:57:00 PM
seriously the west end of 008 has many burglaries, homes and garages and they know who the thugs are? STFU they have no clue! "Can I wear jeans and turn my cap around boss"?
I donno, I just see both tact and gang guys coming in with the same type of one bag arrests. Sounds the same to me. Oh, and don't forget the dice game street arrests.
As for fires, I'd rather trust the firemen (OFI), they work with a hell of a lot more fires than police phone call hacks.
That street is Winneconna Parkway. Was near the old St. George Hospital.
W. Winnecona Parkway (near 78th and Harvard between RR tracks and Vincennes)
7920 eggelston (spelling) was were my irish grandmother lived. I went there as a child many times. My mother skated there her whole childhood and they always called it the lagoon. I had fond memories of the place too bad my grandfather was armed rob and my uncle (double purple heart)and later contracted polio (cripped)was robbed too. Of course my father had to move them the fuck out of there. Animals runied yet another fine place to live.
>>>Anonymous said...
BREAKING NEWS FOR PATROL: COME THE 16th!!!
Back to the district (BASED ON SENIORITY):
175 for MSF
50 TRU
50 GEU
See the new/old faces back in their previous dist of assignment. LT's SL and DG to stay in 153, PK gone, VG getting tapped to run the show there in 153!! Keeping only 10 Sgt's (seniority) in 153. Let the phone calls begin.
Super Bid to follow the cuts in 30 days.
3/13/2011 07:45:00 PM
Well, any truth to this? I heard some people from MSF are already getting their PAR Forms ready.
3/14/2011 06:59:00 PM<<<
Is there is any truth, or whenever this happens, they will have to be retrained. Case reports? Missing Persons? Domestics?
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