The Story Changes?
In the early hours of Wednesday morning, at the intersection of Sheffield and Addison, the woman tells investigators she had been drinking and was upset with her boyfriend when two officers offered her a ride home. She accepted.
The woman tells investigators she had sex with one of the officers in the passenger's seat of police SUV.A source says the officers stopped at a liquor store on the way to the woman's Rogers Park apartment and may have been caught on tape buying booze.
Once back at her apartment, the woman says both officers came inside. They played strip poker and one had sex with her in her bedroom. She later said she was too afraid to say no
That's a stretch from the original report. It doesn't make any of it right and doesn't absolve any of the participating parties of making some of the worst decisions we've ever seen in recent memory. But it makes a difference between just getting fired for Rule Violations or doing 20 years in the joint. This one still has a long way to go.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
205 Comments:
Cha-Ching!
There goes the budget!
Well, they wanted a Police Department that reflected the community. Keep lowering those standards to achieve that goal and this is what you get. Is this really a surprise? I am surprised it's not worse.
I am sickened by these two FOOLISH fucks!!!! They make our department look like a bunch of fools! Thanks ASSHOLES!
This is only specualtion. But I think any intelligent person can fill in the blanks as to what really happened. Girl either drunk or whos just not all there decides to party. Sobers up or comes to her senses during and flips out. RWOC. Hope you enjoyed your jobs.
Can you say 'up shit creek without a paddle'?
stupid stupid stupid. i dont think he "raped" her BUT if they were giving out time for stupid behavior and bad judgement this guy(s) sould do at least 5 years... again its who the department hires...they should take a good hard look..
I'm not CPD but I can say in my organization we hardly have any supervisors on the road anymore. We aren't getting promos to Sgt. We gave teams and shifts that are supervised by fellow officers. We have NO supervision! If the public knew this they would shit a brick. Unfortunately this incident puts all officers in a ringer. This incident and many others are why we are now baby-sat with GPS and videos. The public wants us watched all the time. Guys, use your heads, the public will hang us in a second. Now, if this is true, these two deserve the maximum punishment. Their actions have tarnished my badge and yours. We are all brothers no matter where we work. People have free will so we can't lead everyone. Those bad apples will always make mistakes. I feel for you guys in the CPD, people I come in contact with always bitch and moan about you guys. I wouldn't want your patrols, I support you all the way but let's get rid of the assholes in all depts.
ISP troop
Okay, so if it's true, they are now officially mindless morons, but not convictable rapists.
They know that a sexual act did happen beause the department vehicle was swabbed. Regardless if it was consensual or not, the defense will state it is not consensual because the officers were armed, in uniform and any person would feel intimidated.
Hey "officers.". FUCK YOU. I have come to terms with the fact that clout rules all in this city and department. I've made peace with the fact no matter how hard I work, I will push a beat car for my entire career. I took solace with the realization that I can be content with doing my job to the best of my abilities. This has helped me overcome thoughts that my career decisions have been disastrous. But you know what? The exceptionally poor decision making you have exhibited takes away the few shreds of positive thought I have been clinging to. I hate feeling like I cannot look citizens in the eye. I hate feeling embarrassed when a new acquaintance asks the inevitable, "So, what do you do?" But most of all, I hate YOU. So to all you past and present bartender beating, dope stealing, cab driver robbing, best friend executing, home invading, hitman arranging, sexually assaulting "officers." FUCK YOU.
Did story change or are they clarifying initial chaos and bad / choppy case report?
The story of rape is bullshit. When has any true story of rape included CONSENTUAL sex, TWICE!!!!
At minimum, BRINGING DISCREDIT TO THE DEPARTMENT-rule violation. Result: FIRED! They WILL be made examples of.
This bad and it is not going to go away.
Incorrect post SCC. Victim never changed her story. Media was given incorrect information and updated it. Although it is true this is the second complaint these two moron pieces of shit have with similar instances. They deserve to do some jail time. It's disgusting and disgraceful. It makes me sick that I wear the same uniform as they do
How would U feel if a sister, niece, daughter, friend was silly drunk and the police gave her a ride home?
Nervous, Mad, Scared or Happy, Calm, Content....Sure that they would get home safe and unharmed?
They used the UNIFORM to convince a troubled/drunk/mental/high/whatever GIRL get into a vehicle with them. Whatever happened CONSENSUAL or not she was not SAFE or protected. They were predators of the worst kind. Wolves dressed like sheep.
Fuck them. May they suffer for using a symbol of trust, power, integrity to prey on the vulnerable.
we made national headlines......
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/01/illinois.police.investigaton/index.html?hpt=T2
"In the early hours of Wednesday morning, at the intersection of Sheffield and Addison, the woman tells investigators she had been drinking and was upset with her boyfriend when two officers offered her a ride home. She accepted.
The woman tells investigators she had sex with one of the officers in the passenger's seat of police SUV.
A source says the officers stopped at a liquor store on the way to the woman's Rogers Park apartment and may have been caught on tape buying booze.
Once back at her apartment, the woman says both officers came inside. They played strip poker and one had sex with her in her bedroom. She later said she was too afraid to say no."
This is the original story that I got before it hit the news. Apparently the entire story didn't make it to news affairs.
Agreed they sure didn't think that one through!
Regardless of how the story changed, it still isn't right. I can't imagine that someone can be that stupid let along have two people that stupid. They get everything they have coming to them. I have to sympathy for people who fuck up this badly and then want sympathy, a benefit, etc....
these two could b echarged depending on the amount of her bac. We as police ofcs are held to a highier level while we our on duty. have you ever heard of date rape?
Every dog has his day. Sure they might not have to worry about rape charges in the end but that Article 33 in it's "new and improved" for will be a bitch to defend against. I mean really do you need to be 10-4 to get some? Running out in a brand new emporer's suit? Leaving uniform parts and cell phones behind? In this day and age even if that girl is a stone cold pro, somebody's getting locked up.
Rumors are surfacing that the victim in this case may be mentally challenged. If that is so, I hope these two jagoffs catch boxcar numbers in the joint. Maybe they can play strip poker with some inmates for about twenty years. See how you like it.
The premier story is what's remembered. Thanks guys for another slap.
It would appear that some Northside policemen have too much free time. Go work in 007 or some other fast district on the Southside and see what police work really feels like.
Old Retired Guy
Paul Harvey always said:
And now, you know the rest of the story......
Not that IT matters in this case, these two need to be fired, sooner than later, and there is NO WAY there should be any thought to ANYTHING different.
'The alleged victim denied being drunk when she spoke with ABC7's Ben Bradley Wednesday night. She says she did pick at least one of the officers out of a line-up.'
When will they ever learn?
Another one bites the dust.
pendejos
It is not so much about supervision, although in this case it would have been appropriate. You need a little experienced, and management perspective out in the field sometimes.
We, for the most part, are reliable and don't need to be babysat. There are, however, some instances where the cooler, managerial point of view should be the order of the day.
That being said: There are mushes on every job that need a supervisor up their behind every moment. These are two and at the very least they should be fired for bringing discredit to the Department.
hey 4/1 1:15 am relax- you may need a mental health day
hey isp trooper stfu about "people always bitchin about you"- people bitch about law enforcement period-including you!
Hundreds of comments and not one from somebody who claims to know these two fools.
Doesn't that say it all.
Well, first off they need to kiss the job goodbye, but that is the least of thier problems, The department already knows that something happened, she picked one cop out of a line up, now they have to see how credible she is, the witnesses, etc. Makes us look real bad at a time that we JUST DON"T NEED IT, These guys have embarrassed their families, workers and what about thier SGT. who was supposed to be watching over these clowns, he now will take time for not supervising them, I hope these 2 predactors know what they just caused, and do not approach me with benefit tickets, because I am not prejudging but these 2 don't need to be cops. SHAME ON THEM.
It would appear that some Northside policemen have too much free time. Go work in 007 or some other fast district on the Southside and see what police work really feels like.
Old Retired Guy
Get over yourself and get back to greeting the WalMart customers...mush.
I'm now a retired PO.
In the 35 years I worked, I gave hundreds of people rides, young, old, white, black etc.
Sure, I have had several older folks offer to buy coffee, and I did apreciate the thought, but I turned them down.
And yes, several young ladies did offer more ( and I'm not all that good looking )It seems to go with the uniform. But I like to think I was smarter than to get involved with something like this. The press guys pick up ladies like crazy and party away. Its ok for them to have coke parties with young girls, but when some of our guys make a mistake, the press comes down on them like a ton of bricks.
What the fuck does the city think will happen when they stop testing for this job?
ladies and gentlemen this years Anthony Abbate award goes to...two winners this year a slip prize..how exciting.
Officers, what did you plan on doing when your career as a police officer was over?
Anonymous said...
... I have come to terms with the fact that clout rules all in this city and department. I've made peace with the fact no matter how hard I work, I will push a beat car for my entire career. I took solace with the realization that I can be content with doing my job to the best of my abilities ...
4/01/2011 01:15:00 AM
I once thought like you. Don't give up. Remember that 70% of the promotees are NOT merit. Some legit people actually DO slip through the cracks! I did 17 yrs as a Sgt before retiring.
At one point, I was in line to take a Lts. exam and I told a friend, "I don't know why I'm bothering to take this test since I have no clout." Another guy in front of us overheard me and said, "because on the way home today you may come upon an accident on the expressway and someone in that car may be named Daley, thats why".
Sad that we think that way, but in the blink of an eye you could become a 'chosen one', as well.
Either way, taking pride in the work you do, God's work as Father Nangel might say, is its own reward.
Good luck, sir.
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
Amen, 1: 15 am. The Department has set up a huge double standard, the clouted with there misconduct and criminal behavior, rewarded with promotions or shifts to desirable units, sets the wrong precedant. The truth is out there, most police officers know the truth, yet these folks are BOSSES! why do you think these two officers believed they could have gotten away with this bad behavior and what could have been a despicable criminal act. Please officer, keep being that pillar of your family. Patrol with purpose and with the knowledge that you make a difference! the savages/snakes that slipped through the cracks and wear the uniform, usually come to light. We just have to make sure they are taken out of our ranks, but we all know, while one officer w/ no clout, gets seperated for being caught living outside the city, officers, like these two will wait, be hidden in call back, have the city pay off the lawsuit, then get placed in an no bid unit. The retention of their jobs and enivitable promotions seem to be the norm for taxi robbers, sexual harassers, and the like. Please don't give up! Take advantage of tuition reimbursement, start studying for the next promo exam and keep fighting the good fight.
They know that a sexual act did happen beause the department vehicle was swabbed. Regardless if it was consensual or not, the defense will state it is not consensual because the officers were armed, in uniform and any person would feel intimidated.
4/01/2011 01:15:00 AM
The defense? What is the woman charged with? Any person would feel intimidated? Another fan of TV police shows.
"How would U feel if a sister, niece, daughter, friend was silly drunk and the police gave her a ride home?
Nervous, Mad, Scared or Happy, Calm, Content....Sure that they would get home safe and unharmed?
They used the UNIFORM to convince a troubled/drunk/mental/high/whatever GIRL get into a vehicle with them. Whatever happened CONSENSUAL or not she was not SAFE or protected. They were predators of the worst kind. Wolves dressed like sheep.
Fuck them. May they suffer for using a symbol of trust, power, integrity to prey on the vulnerable."
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Fucking spot on!
It would appear that some Northside policemen have too much free time. Go work in 007 or some other fast district on the Southside and see what police work really feels like.
Old Retired Guy
4/01/2011 07:48:00 AM
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Come on it was midnights even the ghetto gets slow in the winter on midnights.
This is what you get with a political patronage system.
Paul Harvey said...
Paul Harvey always said:
And now, you know the rest of the story......
Not that IT matters in this case, these two need to be fired, sooner than later, and there is NO WAY there should be any thought to ANYTHING different.
4/01/2011 07:52:00 AM
THIS is what Paul Harvey said...
His dad was a Police Detective who was killed in the line of duty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEvZBKwvE0k
Omen for the cubbies opening day?? Better make that 104 years...
hey 4/1 1:15 am relax- you may need a mental health day
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Why?? Because he wants to be a professional police officer in this great city? Or because he is sick and tired of the juice baby assholes getting away with murder? Or the department punishing everyone for the stupid acts of a few??
He is showing the frustration and anger that most of us have towards idiots on this job.
The need for more supervision ,to me,is completely ridiculous.
We are all grown men and women who know right from wrong,who hold the citizens accountable but not ourselves.
It's time to grow the fuck up
When I hear stuff like this, I think about how proud I and my family was when I got hired, and now, I'm ashamed. The consequences of these two animals (like the ones we deal with everyday), there are people out there who will associate us with them. I'm sure over time this will blend in with all the other, bartender beatings, (drunk driving) reckless homicide, SOS, the list goes on and on. Lets not forget the media and the public, they love it when stuff like this happens. It gives them satisfaction to know that jerk (who could have given a break) gave them a ticket for not having a insurance, failure to stop, expired registration, no city sticker, and suspended license, is down to the criminals level. Lets face it, America is getting weaker (by choice), criminals are getting stronger, and this dosent help.
When you become a police officer, you lose some of your civilian friends over time, and you have to change your behavior, on and off duty. These two pieces of shit came on this job as shitbags and remained shitbags. I don't know if they will ever get convicted of anything, but they will lose their jobs, disgrace their families, and rot in hell. All you young officers out there need to do the right thing all the time, and make your families proud.
To the 2 idiots, this was not your first time at the same circus! You got away clear once and you did it again. WTF were you thinking? Tell your wife goodbye,house gone,cars gone,bank account gone,pension gone,savings gone! Was it worth it? What kind of procedure do we have for hiring? Not just these 2 but more will follow! Was at a call the other day in 10 sector of 008, 2 coppers arrive 1 was talking to complainant while other idiot was busy on his iphone playing a game,totally unaware of anything,as they stood in front of a battery victim! Lucky offender did not come in and due to inattention slap him and his out of shape partner down!
New breed! maybe to much school no common sense!
They have two strikes:
1. They were on duty, in uniform, in a position of authority.
2. She was drunk. In most states (like here in MA), a person who is impaired (by IQ, booze, drugs), CANNOT consent to sex.
Put these two things together, with her being shitty, and them being sober (?), on duty, and in a position of authority equals one thing: They're fucked.
Oh, yeah, strike 3, they're immensely stupid.
Sorry SCC but this is the same story I heard before it hit the news. Story did not change. Two idiots screwed up no pun intended. They abused their office now they must pay. I dont believe it was rape.
Actually Terry Hilliard and Tom Byrne did a good job at the news conference. Using alleged acts, let the investigation take its course, let the evidence prove guilt or innocence. Remember these two idiots put them in this position and IF proven to be true then they should be punished. These two bosses did not throw them into this shit these guys jumped into it.
Thank you 2:46 A.M.,as a Police Officer,especially on duty,you have an obligation to protect someone who is impaired.If a drunk,drugged or whatever needs a cab or to call a friend or a ride to the hospital that is what you do.When you ask the impaired person for sex then cry it was consensual fuck you.What's next? Would it be OK to troll Misericordia for some "consenting"adults?I hope these cocksuckers go to jail.They are NOT Police Officers.
Out their clout.
I am not a cop, but I know damned well that clout is a big problem in CPD and cases like this (and Abbate and Penny and all the others) are about officers who shouldn't be on the force. You want to help fix this? There are some officers out there that know who their clout is. Out them.
These two schmucks really screwed up. Getting fired is a for sure thing. That's the least of their worries; they could be facing jail time and become convicts. Unbelievable - what were they thinking? Well we were losing 32 police officers in the month of March but now that brought the number up to 34.
NO sympathy here......don't even try to sell me a raffle tickets, don't talk to me about a fund raiser.....they should pray that nothing from their past don't raise their heads and come charging out
it dont take a brain scientist to know that these 2 cops are fd'! GPS, evidence in the cop car, video at the liquor store, evidence at the scene including one of the guys personal cell phone and parts of his police uniform. then they run from the scene when she freaks out and multiple witnesses see them. this is the shit movies are made of. as the monopoly game reads - go to jail, go directly to jail.
The idiots in this department are our worst enemies. I don't believe a forcible rape took place, but I do believe most of this incident happened. This is more of a reason why we need polygraph exams to get hired. Every other department has a polygraph except us. You'd be surprised how many fuck-ups a polygraph exam will weed out, which will make this department more professional in the long run.
Bull shit whats the difference- She was drunk-- NOT OF SOUND MIND.
That's a stretch from the original report. It doesn't make any of it right and doesn't absolve any of the participating parties. Your an ass your making excuses for them their pigs taking advantage of a drunken 22 year old plan and simple- Uniform policemen someone we should feel trust in.
"Well, they wanted a Police Department that reflected the community. Keep lowering those standards to achieve that goal and this is what you get. Is this really a surprise? I am surprised it's not worse."
They were hired 10 years ago, shithead. There is no good way to spin this. When it turns into "at least is wasn't forcible rape" you know it's bad. These assholes made life harder for all cops. Period.
these two have a history of getting into trouble....when capt wallace was their watch commander he would not let them work together.......he said they were trouble and could not be trusted.....once he retired they began to work together again and now u see the result....the writing was on the wall.... these two have brought shame to the dept.... ask anyone who works with them.....they are trouble!!!
RWOC does not mean innocent....they are let go in order to attain the lab results on the massive amounts of evidence they have. it would take longer than 48 hours so they are released until they are ordered to turn themselves in again and get indicted......i say all the evidence is being pushed through the ISP lab and results will be back in record time.....i say two to three weeks before these guys get charged (just when it stops being headline news, it will be headline news again)
The sgt SL. Came back so will these guys
If the girl was blacked out drunk, she could not consent. Period. That's rape, pure and simple.
The smart thing to do is to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. The shit from this will fall on every officer.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
How would U feel if a sister, niece, daughter, friend was silly drunk and the police gave her a ride home?
Nervous, Mad, Scared or Happy, Calm, Content....Sure that they would get home safe and unharmed?
They used the UNIFORM to convince a troubled/drunk/mental/high/whatever GIRL get into a vehicle with them. Whatever happened CONSENSUAL or not she was not SAFE or protected. They were predators of the worst kind. Wolves dressed like sheep.
Thank you well said- however they just don't get it.
stupid stupid stupid. i dont think he "raped" her
ITs called rape she was not of sound MIND- She was drunk- 22 years old a young girl.
What do we do to drunk drivers who kill. Vehicular Homicide-
Hey "officers.". FUCK YOU. I have come to terms with the fact that clout rules all in this city and department. I've made peace with the fact no matter how hard I work, I will push a beat car for my entire career. I took solace with the realization that I can be content with doing my job to the best of my abilities. This has helped me overcome thoughts that my career decisions have been disastrous. But you know what? The exceptionally poor decision making you have exhibited takes away the few shreds of positive thought I have been clinging to. I hate feeling like I cannot look citizens in the eye. I hate feeling embarrassed when a new acquaintance asks the inevitable, "So, what do you do?" But most of all, I hate YOU. So to all you past and present bartender beating, dope stealing, cab driver robbing, best friend executing, home invading, hitman arranging, sexually assaulting "officers." FUCK YOU.
couldnt come up with the words to describe what i thought or felt about this latest bullshit but you hit it right on the head thanks brother and a fuck you from me too
Okay, so if it's true, they are now officially mindless morons, but not convictable rapists.
your right but they could still get time for official misconduct
I'm just so sick of it all. 99.9 percent of us, are dedicated, professionals. We know the politics of the job, still, when the in-progess call comes out or 10-1 we're all Blue and become one. One thing is reassuring though, seeing Uncle Terry addressing the press, just as disgusted as all of us are.
Be Safe everyone
Listen to yourselves. This is what is wrong with the police today (thank God I retired). If the behavior is not ok for your wife, daughter, sister, etc then it is not ok for anyone else. We do not live under different rules.
Don't say your 22 year old daughter would not be drunk, upset, crying and wandering the streets in the middle of the night. You have no idea what your children do when you aren't around.
I am NOT condoning this sort of thing but c'mon... stuff like this has been happening for decades... in squad cars... parks... cemeteries... the lakefront... maybe a little less frequently with the advent of modern technology (video cameras, GPS, etc.) but still far too common an occurrence.
What happened was a result of incredibly poor judgement... but to use the words "sexual assault" and "rape" in this case is a slap in the face to every woman who has ever truly been victimized.
These guys should be disciplined for their arrogance and stupidity, perhaps even fired... but truthfully, you could populate a good-size town with every cop who ever made a play for a woman while in uniform (and every woman who ever threw herself at a cop BECAUSE of the uniform).
I'm just sayin'...
cpd has gps in police cars , pay watch commanders over 100,000 a year , yet watch commanders never seem to know what ' s going on in their districts
time for a new supt to shake things up , let dispatchers notify the watch commander every time a beat car changes location without clearing . beat car is redlined for not answering radio , sgt wants to write him up but the watch commander tells the sgt to forget about it
my guess that watch commander might be merit political lt or captain
cpd needs a house cleaning
who assigns officers with a troubled history together as partners , that is a problem with management
terry hillard step up to plate and move some of the captains around
should be rotated to new districts every 6 months , they are to close to officers , want to be the officers friends and do not supervise
The officers may have done the alleged act, however I hate the way Hillard comes down on officers in the media. He did this as the formal Supe and now he's doing it again. A simple,"We are aware of the allegation and will complete a thorough investigation." is all that is needed. He condemns the officers before the investigation is final. Terrible management technique...
Funny is that one of the Pos was trained by a sgt that is working on a leadership class. Now that speaks volumes about this dept and who is in charge / training of these goofs.
How did they get through the academy????????? or the FTO program Right they became JAG Offs overnight
It would appear that some Northside policemen have too much free time. Go work in 007 or some other fast district on the Southside and see what police work really feels like.
Old Retired Guy
4/01/2011 07:48:00 AM
Yeah that is the point to this story. Moron.
2 on duty cops decide to have a 3 some with a woman who is drunk and possibly mentally ill.
It wasn't rape, but how can anyone in the right mind defend this type of behavior.
Only porno starts get to have sex while on the job.
OT- was watching the cubs opener and to the two women cops standing next to Rahm pull back your hair so you at least look professional/neat- embarrasing
For those of you who believe these guys aren't going to jail, I have one thing to say, OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT. They are going to be charged and they are going to jail time, and a lot of it. These two clowns are going to be the examples for the new administration. Zero tolerance for misconduct will be the soup of the day and these nitwits are going to set the standard. Mark my words, and deservedly so.
Speaking of Supervisors. Sergeants have to step up and be a supervisor. And I don't mean micro manage us, blue shirts. But, do your job when "someone" isn't doing what they're suppose to. Whatever you guys do while off duty isn't none of my fucking business, but, when we are on duty, please don't play favoritism. I've heard Officers called their Supervisors by their first name.In military, we address our Superiors whatever their ranks, i.e. Colonel, Commmander, Lieutenant, or Ensign because that's how we show respect to them. Officers who weren't in proper uniform get away with it a lot of times and gets to go home early (without a slip) almost every day/night because their "friend" Sgt's said it's ok. Well, how about those Officers who haven't had their lunch and just finished processing two arrests, do they get to go home early , too, Sarge? I've known Sgt's who knows their job and I don't mind working for him/her anyday of the fucking week, but, I also know some Sgt's who doesn't deserve respect or should not be on the job! All I'm asking is treat us all equal, no more no less.
Be safe everyone and God Bless.
In my district with the ISP,a master sergeant was known for driving around with his tramp girlfriend in the car and everybody knew what was going on when his squad was parked in the dark on some country road. A newly promoted sgt. is a known stalker and has hit at least two women. Nothing happens. Your too goofs should apply to work in dist 7. that shit goes on all the time.
ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF OUR FINE LEADERSHIP AT WORK!!!! or the 7 Habits LOL
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If she was drunk, good luck with getting a "consensual" ruling.
That being said: There are mushes on every job that need a supervisor up their behind every moment.
4/01/2011 08:54:00 AM
Easier said than done: I was a sgt for 20 years and it was not easy to correct or discipline POs for acts of bad behavior or judgement. The problem was the PO's LT or WC who would cover for the officer or interfere with my efforts to SUPERVISE!
No 9:00 a.m. 1:15 hit it out of the park. There is absolutely no excuse for the actions taken by these two regardless of how the criminal portion pans out and anyone who says otherwise needs to reconsider their career choice because anyone who even remotely thinks these two deserve any kind of break do not belong wearing our uniform.
Please please go you YouTube under" mayor Richard Daley nobody does it better". Awesome video, I wasn't able to share it, I'm not that technically inclined. You will laugh your ads off
Thanks jag offs,
Just got out of federal court where I'm being sued punitively. The jury is out and will continue to deliberate on Monday, what are the chances that they don't see this and it doesn't sway them!
Unfucking real! Coppers believing what they read in the papers. You know the truth doesn't matter to the press especially when the police are involved. This whole story sounds really bizarre and it seems there are a lot of opinions here based on nothing but innuendo. I for one will not throw a fellow officer under the bus until the true facts are known.
With all this bullshit and bad publicity flying around what do you think Alvarez will do? She'll charge these guys no matter what the outcome of an investigation.
No matter what the womans story is, these 2 imbecile Cops don't belong in Law Enforcement. No maturity, no integrity, no brains. They are the opposite of what the Department should be hiring. Personally I'd dump their background investigators too, if the charges turn out 2 be true.
chicago's finest need more supervision , what wc let's dos
loose cannons to work together
then front for them by ordering sgt not to red line dos dog a--es
problem starts at top of cpd
terry get permission from daley to reassign every captain , rotate them from their comfort zone
every 3 periods
NO matter drunk or sober on the girls part, these two assholes took advantage of a 22 year old woman because they were the Police. Not many women will accept a ride home from a stranger and allow them in their apartment and play strip poker with them. Seriously!!!! I have a daughter the exact same age, and it sickens me to know that she trusts the police because her mother is a retired one and if she ever needed a ride home and this happened to her, God help me for what I would do to these to ANIMALS. They used their uniforms to get their game on.....
You stupid fucks have brought discredit to the whole department and other departments around the country. Way to go losers. Was getting a nut worth it??? Was the thrill of fucking a stranger in the squad car worth it, were your marriages, job, pension and the rest of your life worth it!!
You get what you deserve. Another sad day for the CPD, everyone hangs their had a little bit lower today, knowing our stars are tarnished yet again by FOOLS.
Oh, they are going to get charged, under the 'unable to give knowing consent' section of the statute.
And frankly, good. They're nothing but a couple of lowlife predators.
Funny how these two officers happened to find each other in this big department.
They are the enemy. Don't even think of sticking up for them.
I think the Sgt. will catch 30 and the Lt. and Capt. will catch 15. Cmon how long were those guys on radio silence? Sgt. didn't have anything to do?
Official Misconduct is a lock and it carries jail time. These guys are just plain DUMB! Thanks for keeping the CPD on the news for the next three years!
Where the hell was his sgt the whole time????
But most of all, I hate YOU. So to all you past and present bartender beating, dope stealing, cab driver robbing, best friend executing, home invading, hitman arranging, sexually assaulting "officers." FUCK YOU.
4/01/2011 01:15:00 AM...........................Don't take things so personal.
I hope that the idiot who gave the press the original case, rots in hell. Everybody who accessed that RD will go thru the wringer.
man do i wish i took the fire test!
Assholes, You make us all look Bad. Yet Again..
How much free time do they have over there? I have a feeling they have done this before. We are lucky to get our 30 min to get a sandwich. Dumb, dumb, dumb!!!!
"Well, they wanted a Police Department that reflected the community. Keep lowering those standards to achieve that goal and this is what you get. Is this really a surprise? I am surprised it's not worse."
They were hired 10 years ago, shithead. There is no good way to spin this. When it turns into "at least is wasn't forcible rape" you know it's bad. These assholes made life harder for all cops. Period.
4/01/2011 11:20:00 AM
They were still part of the pass/fail groups. City should go back to the hightest score gets hired 1st and work ur way down from the scores. People who score high usually(NOT ALWAYS)come from a family who gave them a good foundation (know the difference between right and wrong).Pass /fail is a joke.
Many of you need to read exactly what criteria has to be met for an "Official Misconduct" charge. It's not a catch-all like many think.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think the Sgt. will catch 30 and the Lt. and Capt. will catch 15. Cmon how long were those guys on radio silence? Sgt. didn't have anything to do?
4/01/2011 03:38:00 PM
I'm not a supervisor but I have no idea why you feel it is the fault of their Sgt? We are all adults and are supposed to act as such. That badge gives you the authority to make a decision. You should not need to have your hand held by your Sgt nor should your Sgt feel he/she has to follow you around to make sure you do your job. Does you Sgt check on you every half hour? It is the fault of the Officers and not anyone else.
By the Way, from what I understand the Sgt did try to redline them.
The idiots in this department are our worst enemies. I don't believe a forcible rape took place, but I do believe most of this incident happened. This is more of a reason why we need polygraph exams to get hired. Every other department has a polygraph except us. You'd be surprised how many fuck-ups a polygraph exam will weed out, which will make this department more professional in the long run.
4/01/2011 11:16:00 AM
Good point! But no we have a useless 1000 question psych test asking if we drink, are afraid of spiders, or ever thought about screwing your own mother. And once several do fail this joke of a psych test guess what? Lawsuit and a few years down the road get hired with backpay like what happened a few years back with all the losers who failed said psych test.
That was right on! I can agree they were really wolves in sheeps clothing who know how many times they may have done that ish!
Funny is that one of the Pos was trained by a sgt that is working on a leadership class. Now that speaks volumes about this dept and who is in charge / training of these goofs.
4/01/2011 12:36:00 PM
You can train an officer to the best of your ability but doesn't mean 10 years down the road when said trained officer fucks up and makes morally wrong decisions it is the fault of the officer who trained him 10 years earlier. If that is the case it's also his parents fault for not properly training them when they were children. They are grown men who made their own decisions. Don't blame others who trained them or supervise them as being at fault. And no I'm not an FTO or a supervisor. Just a beat officer who has worked the ghetto for 20 years not getting in trouble and blaming others if I do!!!
Thanks jag offs,
Just got out of federal court where I'm being sued punitively. The jury is out and will continue to deliberate on Monday, what are the chances that they don't see this and it doesn't sway them!
4/01/2011 02:47:00 PM
It shouldn't sway them unless you too were caught fucking a drunk broad while on duty.
Can everyone please break out a copy of the ILCS and read what it says about Criminal Sexual Assault? And Aggravated Criminal Sexual Assault? Here it is:
(720 ILCS 5/12‑13) (from Ch. 38, par. 12‑13)
Sec. 12‑13. Criminal Sexual Assault.
(a) The accused commits criminal sexual assault if he or she:
(1) commits an act of sexual penetration by the use
of force or threat of force; or
(2) commits an act of sexual penetration and the
accused knew that the victim was unable to understand the nature of the act or was unable to give knowing consent;
Sec. 12‑14. Aggravated Criminal Sexual Assault.
(a) The accused commits aggravated criminal sexual assault if he or she commits criminal sexual assault and any of the following aggravating circumstances existed during, or for the purposes of paragraph (7) of this subsection (a) as part of the same course of conduct as, the commission of the offense:
(8) the accused was armed with a firearm.
So would those of you who are saying that she was capable of giving consent
PLEASE STOP?
These were two coppers in uniform in a marked vehicle. On that vehicle is a sticker that says "We Serve and Protect". This woman needed protection. If it happened the way it is said to have happened, instead of protecting her, they victimized her.
How about the old wolves and sheep analogy? She was a sheep. The police are supposed to keep the wolves away FROM THE SHEEP, NOT BECOME THE WOLVES.
Thanks a lot you two jagoffs. Thanks for the black eye.
Where the hell was his sgt the whole time????
4/01/2011 03:58:00 PM
The Sgt. was on the air looking for them (with no response from the 2 morons) The Sgt tried to red-line them but was overturned by the w/c who was "taking care of it" Don't you pay attention to previous posts. Don't blame the Sgt. He did what he was supposed to do. What did you want him to do, send out a search party to an unknown part of the city and look for them himself.
The Teflon Don did the same thing during work. but the broad he was sleeping with ate his gun while he showered in the bathroom. The Teflon Don is still out on the streets. Probably one the craziest guys on the job.
No matter if consenual or not. Buying alcohol and drinking on duty. Sex in the car. Sex again at her apartment on duty in her apartment. Official misconduct is a felony which covers rule violation and is very vague. Nobody with an ounce of common sense would have even thought about it, much less did it. You may not agree, but I will not condone this stupidity that reflects on every menber of our department. Some people just never learn. ASSHATS......
Anonymous said... "Well, they wanted a Police Department that reflected the community. Keep lowering those standards to achieve that goal and this is what you get. Is this really a surprise? I am surprised it's not worse."
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You are an idoit !!! Dont beat around the bush. Last I checked Abbatte, and that Sgt that was charged with rape doent reflect the community. Keep ur dum as comments to urself prick!
Yes they were RWOC'ed. After the case was CI'ed. Continuing investigation until all DNA results come back. I would bet a month or less.
They were predators of the worst kind. Wolves dressed like sheep.
The best comment , sums it all up!!!!
hey were still part of the pass/fail groups. City should go back to the hightest score gets hired 1st and work ur way down from the scores. People who score high usually(NOT ALWAYS)come from a family who gave them a good foundation (know the difference between right and wrong).Pass /fail is a joke.
No bring back the assessment center- that was a great tool.
Anonymous said...
Unfucking real! Coppers believing what they read in the papers. You know the truth doesn't matter to the press especially when the police are involved. This whole story sounds really bizarre and it seems there are a lot of opinions here based on nothing but innuendo. I for one will not throw a fellow officer under the bus until the true facts are known.
With all this bullshit and bad publicity flying around what do you think Alvarez will do? She'll charge these guys no matter what the outcome of an investigation.
4/01/2011 02:54:00 PM
...granted, the "roll" of the media
lately is vehemently anti-police, but to support these two...c'mon...seriously...really..?
Unfucking real! Coppers believing what they read in the papers. You know the truth doesn't matter to the press especially when the police are involved. This whole story sounds really bizarre and it seems there are a lot of opinions here based on nothing but innuendo. I for one will not throw a fellow officer under the bus until the true facts are known.
4/01/2011 02:54:00 PM
You are absolutely right! I mean, just because parts of their uniform, their cell phones, fingerprints and "dna" were recovered at the scene, and just because the neighbors saw a naked man running out of her apartment as she's screaming rape, followed by a second man wearing a CPD uniform, hey...why jump to conclusions! Just a misunderstanding, right?
Wake the fuck up! There are some real shitheads on this Department. Might be less than 50 in total, but they exist and you pretending not to notice allows them to exist! I for one am real tired of getting blamed by the public for idiots who can't handle a bit of power and have no self control!
Then again, you are probably one the shitheads I'm speaking of.
Will Mayor Rahm Emmanuel let the CPD continue into Anarchy?
I hope the Mayor-Elect takes the bull by the reigns and begins the reconstruction of the CPD in earnest.
This tolerated criminal conduct on the CPD will destroy your future aspirations of the White House faster than a speeding bullet.
These guys are innocent until proven guilty. I hope they hire Tom Needham, he had a good track record.
chicago's finest need more supervision , what wc let's dos
loose cannons to work together
then front for them by ordering sgt not to red line dos dog a--es
problem starts at top of cpd
terry get permission from daley to reassign every captain , rotate them from their comfort zone
every 3 periods
4/01/2011 03:14:00 PM
Blogger Cpdcoppurr said...
NO matter drunk or sober on the girls part, these two assholes took advantage of a 22 year old woman because they were the Police. Not many women will accept a ride home from a stranger and allow them in their apartment and play strip poker with them. Seriously!!!! I have a daughter the exact same age, and it sickens me to know that she trusts the police because her mother is a retired one and if she ever needed a ride home and this happened to her, God help me for what I would do to these to ANIMALS. They used their uniforms to get their game on.....
You stupid fucks have brought discredit to the whole department and other departments around the country. Way to go losers. Was getting a nut worth it??? Was the thrill of fucking a stranger in the squad car worth it, were your marriages, job, pension and the rest of your life worth it!!
You get what you deserve. Another sad day for the CPD, everyone hangs their had a little bit lower today, knowing our stars are tarnished yet again by FOOLS.
4/01/2011 03:30:00 PM
Right on, fuck these scumbags. They were never and will never be considered cops.
I'm a citizen who lives in 023 and we have some of the best cops working this district. I've lived in Chicago most of my life and these are good officers who pay attention to the citizens and do a hell of a job. I feel so bad that the actions of two are bringing dishonor to our the district. We who are served by you realize that 99.9% of the police are on our side and the great majority of us are on yours. Stay proud; we appreciate your hard work.
should be rotated to new districts every 6 months , they are to close to officers , want to be the officers friends and do not supervise
So I can work with pricks no thank you.
I agree with the sergeant who states that the watch commander interferred with his ability to supervise. I was a sergeant in patrol for a few years and I too ran into the same interference. The WC wanted to be a good guy to all and loved by all. After awhile, I just gave up. I worked patrol in 10 and 003.
OT
http://tinyurl.com/6hqs9br
Alert Issued After Security Incident On Camp Pendleton
3 Middle Eastern Men Tried To Enter Base Without Proper Authorization, Base Alert Says
POSTED: 4:36 pm PDT March 30, 2011
UPDATED: 6:22 pm PDT March 31, 2011
Anonymous said...
man do i wish i took the fire test!
4/01/2011 04:50:00 PM
$500 more and I could have been a fireman.
Thank you fucking asshats. I am not a super cop, but have never done anything to discrase my uniform...thanks for making my life and job that much harder. I have to deal with all the questions from my friends and the public... hope u both get fried.
Naught said...
They have two strikes:
1. They were on duty, in uniform, in a position of authority.
2. She was drunk. In most states (like here in MA), a person who is impaired (by IQ, booze, drugs), CANNOT consent to sex.
Put these two things together, with her being shitty, and them being sober (?), on duty, and in a position of authority equals one thing: They're fucked.
Oh, yeah, strike 3, they're immensely stupid.
4/01/2011 10:43:00 AM
Media's reporting she states she was NOT drunk, just upset.
Amazing how we're holding the hearing without knowing any facts.
I have 25 years on, with 15 as a Detective. These 2 morons are f$#ked. No matter if this girls was stone cold sober. You don't pick up men/women and have sex with them while working. Get a phone number. Call after work. Next day. Go see the W/C. Take time due.
OT: Read this from PoliceOne.com..
April 01, 2011
Calif. city to eliminate all police use of force
By PoliceOne Staff
In response to a special interest group’s claim of police officers using excessive force in arrest situations, one city in California has developed a new strategy to help eliminate the need for officers to use force at all. One members of the group “Defy and Resist” told PoliceOne that officers should never use force simply because a person is exercising their “rights.”
When asked to explain which right he was referring to, that member became suddenly confused. The man then became agitated and could only shout, “I know my rights” over and over again until he lost consciousness. Eventually another member suggested that officers should respect their rights to physically resist any attempts to take them into custody as an expression of free speech.
Mayor Bud Toker of Greenleaf (Calif.) proudly announced his new plan at a news conference today stating, “Admittedly neither the leaders of ‘Defy and Resist’ nor I am an expert in police practices or the legal system, but since I am the boss I can make the rules.” Toker stated also that being arrested is an inconvenience and that he feels there should be a more customer friendly alternative.
Under the new rules, if an officer meets “any resistance to arrest by (1) physical action, (2) stated intent to physically resist, or (3) general feelings of unhappiness regarding the arrest” the officer will immediately disengage and tell the subject that he/she will not be arrested today. The officer will then schedule a more convenient time for the arrest with the subject.
Toker is confident that his new plan will not only ingratiate himself with the special interest group but will also significantly lower the frequency of complaints about use of force. Proudly pointing to his risk management approach, Toker proclaimed, “How can there be a complaint about force if the officers are not allowed to use force?”
The department has had quotas since the 70s. In 1988 the first sgt.'s class-- sent everyone home-- not enough latinos. In 1995 the Lt.'s first class-- not enough minorities-- ( Daley shipped this test to an outside agency) - the start of the 30 percent merit. The 1995 Lt.'s test was pulled down after only about 100 were made-- reason-?- guess. All the tests and lists are jerked around to " reflect" the community-- whatever that means.
As an aside-- read " Bell Curve" by Murray and another person-- one of the individuals won a Nobel prize but the book was almost banned from all libraries. Guess why?
old retired buy
Anonymous said...
"Well, they wanted a Police Department that reflected the community. Keep lowering those standards to achieve that goal and this is what you get. Is this really a surprise? I am surprised it's not worse."
They were hired 10 years ago, shithead. There is no good way to spin this. When it turns into "at least is wasn't forcible rape" you know it's bad. These assholes made life harder for all cops. Period.
4/01/2011 11:20:00 AM
They were still part of the pass/fail groups. City should go back to the hightest score gets hired 1st and work ur way down from the scores. People who score high usually(NOT ALWAYS)come from a family who gave them a good foundation (know the difference between right and wrong).Pass /fail is a joke.
4/01/2011 05:21:00 PM
Hate to say it, but the above is right. These guys have the ghetto thug personality and were all about the ladies. What they did is not a surprise and was their MO. Not only has the CPD been "dumbing down" but America as a whole. No intelligent police officer would think they could get away with that.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
man do i wish i took the fire test!
4/01/2011 04:50:00 PM I've been thinking the same thing for 25 years.......
Anonymous said...
these two have a history of getting into trouble....when capt wallace was their watch commander he would not let them work together.......he said they were trouble and could not be trusted.....once he retired they began to work together again and now u see the result....the writing was on the wall.... these two have brought shame to the dept.... ask anyone who works with them.....they are trouble!!!
4/01/2011 11:24:00 AM
Well, the Capt. they have now could care less about anything, plays favorites and should have retired a long time ago.
Anonymous said...
I hope that the idiot who gave the press the original case, rots in hell. Everybody who accessed that RD will go thru the wringer.
4/01/2011 04:42:00 PM
it's part of the notification process... news affairs??? also freedom of information act?? same one thats gonna give the media our FOID info??
They need to go down for Official Misconduct, minimum. Their Sgt. Needs to do suspension time and be demoted back to blue shirt. Their Lt. Needs to be suspended and then demoted to Sgt. Thats the way to do it. Fuck this Supervisorship without responsibility.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
But most of all, I hate YOU. So to all you past and present bartender beating, dope stealing, cab driver robbing, best friend executing, home invading, hitman arranging, sexually assaulting "officers." FUCK YOU.
4/01/2011 01:15:00 AM...........................Don't take things so personal.
4/01/2011 04:39:00 PM
I agree with these sentiments 100%, fuck all the dirty cops that make all the good cops look like shit.
We all know coppers that rape, rob, steal, lie, cheat and kill. Enough is enough!
IAD always covers it up, the CCSAO always covers it up and the G never does anything about it. The Chicago media is complicit in the coverup too.
This is why the CPD is so fucked up and looked at as a career criminal organization.
No other organization in the world lets fraticide go unpunished.
When cops kill cops with no consequences, society is finished.
4/01/2011 08:28:00 PM
April fools dumb ass
OT: Read this from PoliceOne.com..
April 01, 2011
Calif. city to eliminate all police use of force
By PoliceOne Staff
C'mon dude...It's april fools day
Wink
Anonymous said...
I hope that the idiot who gave the press the original case, rots in hell. Everybody who accessed that RD will go thru the wringer.
4/01/2011 04:42:00 PM
it's part of the notification process... news affairs??? also freedom of information act?? same one thats gonna give the media our FOID info??
4/01/2011 09:07:00 PM
You really think News Affairs released the case report? Some moron got it off Chris and gave it to his wanna be girlfriend.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
man do i wish i took the fire test!
4/01/2011 04:50:00 PM I've been thinking the same thing for 25 years.......
I did, and they called me in 1995. five years after i took this job. I passed it up! what a fool I was
What about merit Sgt SL who took a drunk female home on Duty after a domestic and brought a bottle of liquor for her. Only after he had sex with the highly intoxicated and highly distraught woman she took the gun he left on the nightstand and committed suicide. What happened to him? NOTHING!!!!! That's what. He did some cool off time in callback and he's back in 017 as 1710R.
Norhing will happen to these coppers either unfortunately.
"They need to go down for Official Misconduct, minimum. Their Sgt. Needs to do suspension time and be demoted back to blue shirt. Their Lt. Needs to be suspended and then demoted to Sgt. Thats the way to do it. Fuck this Supervisorship without responsibility."
You're delusional. A Sgt. isn't a babysitter. The word is that the Sgt. called for these ten-four assholes while all of this shit was going down; couldn't raise them on the air. He did his job. These assholes should be hammered, and it's probably safe to say that will happen. What will also likely happen is that GPS will be installed on all supervisor's PDTs, so that they will know INSTANTLY where their troops are. I would also suspect that the penalty for a redline will be upped considerably, so everybody better have their mikes right on top of their ears from here on out. The weakest link in the CPD (poor front line supervision) is about to get a lot tighter, but clearly this incident was NOT the fault of the Sgt. of these two assholes. All involved parties are 7 X 3, last time I checked.
"This girl is a mental from the agency at 1400 Greenleaf. That's not going to help the situation very much."
--3/31/2011 10:23:00 PM
Well, three cheers for deinstitutionalization.
Conduct unbecoming an officer.
None of the details matter~
"They need to go down for Official Misconduct, minimum. Their Sgt. Needs to do suspension time and be demoted back to blue shirt. Their Lt. Needs to be suspended and then demoted to Sgt. Thats the way to do it. Fuck this Supervisorship without responsibility."
You're delusional. A Sgt. isn't a babysitter. The word is that the Sgt. called for these ten-four assholes while all of this shit was going down; couldn't raise them on the air. He did his job. These assholes should be hammered, and it's probably safe to say that will happen. What will also likely happen is that GPS will be installed on all supervisor's PDTs, so that they will know INSTANTLY where their troops are. I would also suspect that the penalty for a redline will be upped considerably, so everybody better have their mikes right on top of their ears from here on out. The weakest link in the CPD (poor front line supervision) is about to get a lot tighter, but clearly this incident was NOT the fault of the Sgt. of these two assholes. All involved parties are 7 X 3, last time I checked.
The CPD is once again national news.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/04/01/2011-04-01_chicago_cops_under_investigation_for_allegedly_playing_strip_poker_sexually_assa.html?r=news/national
Anonymous said...
... I have come to terms with the fact that clout rules all in this city and department. I've made peace with the fact no matter how hard I work, I will push a beat car for my entire career. I took solace with the realization that I can be content with doing my job to the best of my abilities ...
Officer: as another poster stated, not only clouted people get promotions. I do believe that some of the people making it on the score get the answers beforehand, but not all of them. I put my life on hold for six months for the dicks test and again for the sgt's test. I scored in the top two hundred on both tests. I made dick. I have not made sgt. I do not know if I will, as much as I hate it I would take the sgt's test again and hopefully score well again. I am no brain surgeon but I worked hard to study and did relatively ok. Non clouted people do get promoted. I figure some people will call me on this and say that I am full of it, but I know many promotees who made it on their own.
I think the Sgt. will catch 30 and the Lt. and Capt. will catch 15. Cmon how long were those guys on radio silence? Sgt. didn't have anything to do?
4/01/2011 03:38:00 PM
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HEY DUMB ASS
The sergeant was trying to RED LINE THEM!!!
Don't you read the other posts MORON?
Off-Topic: Channel two provided a great CHEAP SHOT by going around Wrigley Field and asking women if they would 'feel safe accepting a ride home from a cop.'
Way to go Ch. 2....way to milk an already embarrassing
situation, both for the Dept. AND the City.
Read this and take a look into the mind of a serial rapist posing as the CPD.
http://www.abisoft.org/opinions/2008/1_05-cv-05940_20080122.pdf
We aren't censoring the post - you published it three different times and the spam filter picked it up.
Now that we read it though, the threat of "removing them forever" would preclude it from appearing anyway.
Try publishing it once and without the threat.
But most of all, I hate YOU. So to all you past and present bartender beating, dope stealing, cab driver robbing, best friend executing, home invading, hitman arranging, sexually assaulting "officers." FUCK YOU.
4/01/2011 01:15:00 AM...........................Don't take things so personal.
Please refrain from the foul langauge. Isn't " Fuck You" what got these two officers in trouble.
There were morons on this job in 1911, they'll be morons on here in 2111. Don't be the moron. I don't wish I took another job, I don't blame their Sgt., I don't blame the victim (whether or not she is truly) I blame these two fuck ups for putting themselves in this situation. To my fellow officers, be a gentleman, Be the good guy, take pride in yourself.
Anonymous said...
They need to go down for Official Misconduct, minimum. Their Sgt. Needs to do suspension time and be demoted back to blue shirt. Their Lt. Needs to be suspended and then demoted to Sgt. Thats the way to do it. Fuck this Supervisorship without responsibility.
4/01/2011 09:09:00 PM
U are an absolute embarrassment, a person who wants to lay blame on supervisors without knowing the facts, how about the fact the we are all adults and should be acting as such or do u need a supervisor to educate u on acting like an adult!
Being an officer myself, I have chosen to help victims, not take advantage of them. Nobody is perfect and mistakes are made everyday. But I am also a resident of this city, and I'm outraged at these officers actions. It tarnished us for another period of time. If my daughter is in need of help, and I can't be there for her, I pray she will not be harmed by those that are sworn to protect.
They need to go down for Official Misconduct, minimum. Their Sgt. Needs to do suspension time and be demoted back to blue shirt. Their Lt. Needs to be suspended and then demoted to Sgt. Thats the way to do it. Fuck this Supervisorship without responsibility.
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Not a cop.
Civil service being what it is, it is very hard to get rid of any government employee. And it seems like the worst offenders are very good at knowing the rules and using them to just barely slide by.
It is hard for me to blame a supervisor when the system as a whole just does not care.
I don't know if the sgt or lt was negligent or not. Most times everyone around the dopes on any job know who they are.
It is unlikely this is their first trip down this particular road.
Hey "officers.". FUCK YOU. I have come to terms with the fact that clout rules all in this city and department. I've made peace with the fact no matter how hard I work, I will push a beat car for my entire career. I took solace with the realization that I can be content with doing my job to the best of my abilities. This has helped me overcome thoughts that my career decisions have been disastrous. But you know what? The exceptionally poor decision making you have exhibited takes away the few shreds of positive thought I have been clinging to. I hate feeling like I cannot look citizens in the eye. I hate feeling embarrassed when a new acquaintance asks the inevitable, "So, what do you do?" But most of all, I hate YOU. So to all you past and present bartender beating, dope stealing, cab driver robbing, best friend executing, home invading, hitman arranging, sexually assaulting "officers." FUCK YOU.
I wholeheartedly agree with you office! I hope they get to read all our comments from a library computer because they hopefully got thrown out of their homes. They are no better than the scumbags we lock up on the streets. Hell, I wish I had the chance to lock these assholes up! I hate to say that but I'm just sick of it. I would like to join you in saying "Fuck You!"
April 01, 2011
Calif. city to eliminate all police use of force
By PoliceOne Staff
Yeah, I saw that it was an April Fool's Day choke.
But it was also from California, where stranger things HAVE happend.
Anonymous said...
man do i wish i took the fire test!
Why, because it's easier to sneak hookers into the firehouse where no one sees you drinking. Remember, they have their share of fuck-ups too.
Hundreds of comments and not one from somebody who claims to know these two fools.
Doesn't that say it all.
4/01/2011 09:17:00 AM
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Re-Read. There are a number of comments from less-than-surprised people who know them.
New breed! maybe to much school no common sense!
________________________________
Sorry, what has the "new breed" done to get the CPD into the headlines lately? SOS...no, Abette...no, tow truck scandals...nope. These idiots had 10yrs on...hardly the new breed. If you're that upset that you don't have a BA then take advantage of the tuition reimbursement before the city takes it away. I mean, you got a GED, why stop there?
They need to bring the standards up to bachalor degree.
hey isp trooper stfu about "people always bitchin about you"- people bitch about law enforcement period-including you!
4/01/2011 09:04:00 AM
I think we found the CPD copper the public is talking about. Step outside the city and see what kind of reputation you have and you'll see what the trooper is talking about. Being a retired CPD living in the suburbs now people have a horrible idea of what the CPD does. Don't blame the troop for what people say. He paid you and my retired ass a compliment jackass. Guess the reading standards have lowered since I left. Now go to bed junior.
Wait until these two dummies pictures hit the press.
How many more women will jump on the band wagon. I was afraid to come forward..........
Another CPD payday..........SAD!
Well, they wanted a Police Department that reflected the community. Keep lowering those standards to achieve that goal and this is what you get. Is this really a surprise? I am surprised it's not worse.
4/01/2011 12:16:00 AM
Amen to that, Brother!
This is a fine example of what is wrong with our city, state, country.
Everyone is looking for someone else to blame. Fact is, these two officers were on duty and being paid with our tax dollars to protect us. They are solely responsible for their mistakes. I don't care if they were trash collectors, if they were on the clock they should be working. Do you think if this was in the private sector an employer would not fire them for cheating on the clock? Let's get back to basics; Everyone is responsible for themselves. Parents not Teachers are responsible for your children.
Elected officals are responsible to the TAX PAYORS.
These guys are innocent until proven guilty. I hope they hire Tom Needham, he had a good track record.
4/01/2011 07:27:00 PM
I will lose a lot of respect for Needham if he takes on either of these guys. Just say no, Tom.
It shouldn't sway them unless you too were caught fucking a drunk broad while on duty.
4/01/2011 06:06:00 PM
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Hey FUCK you, you pig. Women are not BROADS. Fucking assholes on this job. It's that kind of thinking that is the problem!
FU again, from all the women on this job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They need to bring the standards up to bachalor degree.
4/02/2011 12:40:00 AM
No, first they need to reinforce Spelling 101.
C r i m i n a l s
Quit the bs, guys.
They ARE criminals.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They need to bring the standards up to bachalor degree.
4/02/2011 12:40:00 AM
Ahh dumbass they both had that degree,and since you cannot spell it did you gradumate froma horald wasinton kolleges
So to all you past and present bartender beating, dope stealing, cab driver robbing, best friend executing, home invading, hitman arranging, sexually assaulting "officers." FUCK YOU.
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I could not agree more! They continue to bring shame upon a great Department. Fuck you assholes, you have no PRIDE!
New breed! maybe to much school no common sense!
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Dude, have you seen these two mutts? Too much steroids is more likely. A bit more school might have helped. Fucking cro-magnons.
They need to bring the standards up to bachalor degree.
4/02/2011 12:40:00 AM
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just make sure there's no spelling test, moron
The idiots in this department are our worst enemies. I don't believe a forcible rape took place, but I do believe most of this incident happened. This is more of a reason why we need polygraph exams to get hired. Every other department has a polygraph except us. You'd be surprised how many fuck-ups a polygraph exam will weed out, which will make this department more professional in the long run.
4/01/2011 11:16:00 AM
Polygraphs won't help. Psychopaths pass them everyday.
Anonymous said...
They need to go down for Official Misconduct, minimum. Their Sgt. Needs to do suspension time and be demoted back to blue shirt. Their Lt. Needs to be suspended and then demoted to Sgt. Thats the way to do it. Fuck this Supervisorship without responsibility.
4/01/2011 09:09:00 PM
U are an absolute embarrassment, a person who wants to lay blame on supervisors without knowing the facts, how about the fact the we are all adults and should be acting as such or do u need a supervisor to educate u on acting like an adult!
4/01/2011 11:04:00 PM
Yeah no shit. This guy is a fucking asshole(1st poster). You probably get furious when the Sgt interrupts your nap for a log. Guess what dickhead?
If things broke your way you will be getting logged on the hour and every time you get on the radio you daddy and mommy(white shirts) will be on your ass. Wipe that mustard stain off your collar and use you fucking head. Are you an adult or a baby? Do you need a white shirt to pull out your cock and help you take a piss? Quite being bitter, you were a shitty cop anyways and didn't deserve that promotion.
-blue shirt
You can train an officer to the best of your ability but doesn't mean 10 years down the road when said trained officer fucks up and makes morally wrong decisions it is the fault of the officer who trained him 10 years earlier
-----GOT IT THEY BECAME AHOLES OVERNIGHT Ha Ha you just don't understand training then. It is ALL part of the process
Amen, 1: 15 am. The Department has set up a huge double standard, the clouted with there misconduct and criminal behavior, rewarded with promotions or shifts to desirable units, sets the wrong precedant.
AMEN AMEN This Dept has becaome a place for those that can't get jobs and are taken care of because of who they know. Just look at our present Gold Stars with all their BS wannabe warrior stuff or their backing by the Revs. Complete joke. No career path here in CPD. We have many who are just a PO that have MAs and have lead troops in combat. Watch Rahmbo change all of this for the better.
stupid stupid stupid. i dont think he "raped" her
ITs called rape she was not of sound MIND- She was drunk- 22 years old a young girl.
What do we do to drunk drivers who kill. Vehicular Homicide-
4/01/2011 11:54:00 AM
22 year old is not a young girl. When I was 22 I was a policemen. 22 is well past young girl age. She consented to the sex. You can have sex when drunk and not be raped.
Aggravated Dui.
Not defending these two at all, fire them.
But don't pull out all this bullshit out a 22 yr old being a child.
Anonymous said...
How did they get through the academy????????? or the FTO program Right they became JAG Offs overnight
4/01/2011 12:39:00 PM
You do not blame the two 10 year veteran officers amd instead blame their training from 10 years ago? You sound like a ghetto baby mama defending her ganster son who committed a crime. WTF! They are adults who broke the law. Training is not magic but a foundation to start their careers. How many times did they made mistakes in the last ten years and supervisiors ignored it? And you have the balls to blame the academy from 10 years ago? STFU!
It shouldn't sway them unless you too were caught fucking a drunk broad while on duty.
4/01/2011 06:06:00 PM
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Hey FUCK you, you pig. Women are not BROADS. Fucking assholes on this job. It's that kind of thinking that is the problem!
FU again, from all the women on this job.
4/02/2011 08:05:00 AM
Sorry to insult you but I am a woman also. Lighten up.
Polygraphs won't help. Psychopaths pass them everyday.
4/02/2011 10:43:00 AM
now you've let the cat out of the bag.
naughty, naughty.
They need to bring the standards up to bachalor degree.
4/02/2011 12:40:00 AM
uh, yeah.
right.
Anonymous said...
These guys are innocent until proven guilty. I hope they hire Tom Needham, he had a good track record.
4/01/2011 07:27:00 PM
I will lose a lot of respect for Needham if he takes on either of these guys. Just say no, Tom.
4/02/2011 07:22:00 AM
Likewise I lost a lot of respect for Phil Corboy when his firm took on Jeremiah Mearday as a client. Overnight they had Mearday dressed up like a Northwestern law school student and his ghetto talk got real quiet.
And Corboy is from a police family, his brother is a retired CPD Captain.
There is a reason for the low opinion of lawyers in general.
Anonymous said.....
Sorry, what has the "new breed" done to get the CPD into the headlines lately? SOS...no, Abette...no, tow truck scandals...nope. These idiots had 10yrs on...hardly the new breed.
For those of use with more than 20 years on or those of us who are retired - "new breed" means those they began hiring about 1994 or so. Doesn't matter how many years you have on - it was then that they really lowered the standards under the guise of raising the standards by required 60 college credits.
Anonymous said...
. . . This is more of a reason why we need polygraph exams to get hired . . .
4/01/2011 11:16:00 AM
The polygraph has long been used by police departments to weed out the the politically-unconnected. If the chief's nephew is 10 out, the polygraph is used to eliminate candidates 1 through 9.
"But don't pull out all this bullshit out a 22 yr old being a child.
4/02/2011 11:33:00 AM"
She was impaired. The officers are figures, of authority(in fact not just figures, they are the law). The woman had an expectation of being treated in a manner appropriate to the implicit responsibility that being a police officer carries. That meant the two jags should have deferred her drunken advances and made sure she was safe. That is their sworn duty. They are a disgrace to their badge,their families and to every law-abiding citizen.
22 year old is not a young girl. When I was 22 I was a policemen. 22 is well past young girl age. She consented to the sex. You can have sex when drunk and not be raped.
Aggravated Dui.
Not defending these two at all, fire them.
But don't pull out all this bullshit out a 22 yr old being a child.
Wrong! She may not be a child, but she was drunk. How can you consent when you're dealing with 2 on duty, armed police officers who are in a position of power and authority and you're drunk? You can't. We are in a position of power. They used and abused their power, she was not of right mind so she could not consent.
Dude, have you seen these two mutts? Too much steroids is more likely. A bit more school might have helped. Fucking cro-magnons.
Too many on CPD taking the steroids.
Listen to yourselves. This is what is wrong with the police today (thank God I retired). If the behavior is not ok for your wife, daughter, sister, etc then it is not ok for anyone else. We do not live under different rules.
Well said. I'm getting sick of seeing some police officers treat women like garbage, yet would have a problem if that same thing was done to their sister, wife, girlfriend or mom by some other guy.
To my friends at CPD:
Don't believe that the terrible behavior by 2 bad apples, who should have never been the police, will have the public believing this behavior is common for all CPD. All departments have their baggage which should have been dumped, however, due to politics they remain.
Officers (I hate to call them that) like these guys are the main reason we all suffer/ed in the eye of the public. I always tell friends & family that these acts are done by a few, however, many more officers do so much good that is not even recognized.
Keep up the good work. Hopefully your new mayor Rahm will make some positive moves with a good leader & the bottom feeders will leave.
My best to all of you.
Retired Cook County Sheriffs Police
Whoever did the schedule had Dumb & Dumber working together that night....that was some stupid shit regardless of if she's lying or not....you have to be a little smarter than that. Anyone that says certain exempts get away with murder knows that the same rules don't apply to them as the small fries. I don't feel sorry for them because you have officers that wouldn't even think to do some stupid shit like this and but we're all gonna have to suffer because of the stupidity of these guys. It seems like we take 1 step forward to take end up 10 steps backwards. This makes us look bad....
What the fuck does the city think will happen when they stop testing for this job?
4/01/2011 09:41:00 AM
Exactly! A bunch of trash ass bullshit will get hired.. that's what will happen!
Well, they wanted a Police Department that reflected the community. Keep lowering those standards to achieve that goal and this is what you get. Is this really a surprise? I am surprised it's not worse.
4/01/2011 12:16:00 AM
Amen to that, Brother!
You know...I wouldn't lower shit. I agree with many of the posters who say by lowering the standards to get hired on this job, this will encapture those with lower standards, values or morals....then we'll have to watch our backs and police them. I wouldn't trust them at all. If people can't pass the test then that's a huge hint for them AND the department that maybe...just maybe...they can't be the police and need to seek employment elsewhere. I have a bachelors and I'm a minority female. I heard the test was hard and scored 88.... the hell with the foolishness. No dumbing down please.
"Wrong! She may not be a child, but she was drunk. How can you consent when you're dealing with 2 on duty, armed police officers who are in a position of power and authority and you're drunk? You can't. We are in a position of power. They used and abused their power, she was not of right mind so she could not consent."
You're arguing a different point than the original poster was trying to make. Being drunk while having sex does not automatically make it a rape. That's the point. I think we all agree that they used their position of authority to take advantage of the woman. I highly doubt she would have accepted a ride from 2 random men that weren't the police, even if she was drunk.
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