EEOC Lawsuit
Thomas J. Pleines v FOP Lodge 7.
An interesting read.
It certainly doesn't paint a flattering picture of anyone involved.
An interesting read.
It certainly doesn't paint a flattering picture of anyone involved.
Labels: FOP
posted by SCC at 12:06 AM
140 Comments:
Lawyers, any reason why Human Being hate 'em?
Interesting the first one named can't defend himself.
Wow nice pick. This guy has hired all his buddies and when there wasn't a spot he made up one wasting more money. Now there will.be a big payout to settle this lawsuit. If its this bad now wait til contract time. We are screwed with this crew
And guess where the money's coming from to defend this case...
shields, just another bully.. tommy was a very nice person and its unfortunate what happened to him. Shields, you should be ashamed of yourself. I voted for you mike and I cant say I will give you my vote again. -D.Y
One thing to remember. The employees terminated were at will employees. Any new administration can terminate anyone to bring in their people. This is not anything that is not anything new. What is the difference, is that their are several people who are looking for a bigger exit pay off and did not get it. So whats next in the chicago way, lets get a lawyer and file a lawsuit in crook county. Nothing new folks. Some old (now unemployed) crowd up to their same old tricks who are angry that they no longer are being paid by our union dues. Just ask Plienes (& his buddies) how much he made from separate and extra billing he charged FOP for special projects from Mark and you will now know why? Now lets audit those bills boys and girls at the FOP and see if all the work can accounted for.
Oh Mikey.... You got some splaing to do!!!
I liked Pleines. I'm not happy with what I read about retalitory firings. I've never met Mike Shields and I didn't vote for him, but he comes across as being immature.
I knew we should not have voted M. Shields in. Can we Recall him. A mistake since day one. Our union will be fighting each other in the Union Hall due to the new Regime.
Being disabled myself, I wouldn't wish Parkinsons or any other injury or disease on anyone. However, having personally dealt with Mr. Pleines in the past, his representation was mediocre at best. He lost my case before the Pension Board, and then got my appeal mired in delays. Those days were a nightmare...injured, in pain, sick and going broke. Ultimately it took another route to win my case. I had to worry about supporting my family while not being able to work...but I still had to pay him every month. His big break to me was letting me make monthly payments. When I finally was awarded my disablility pension, I mentioned to Tom that I had been praying very hard for that outcome. He looked down on me and said, "You're good."
Anyway, he knows a thing or two about disability and the courts. Too bad Donahue didn't fire Plienes like he promised the disabled officers when he first ran for FOP president.
I'm sorry you are sick, Tom. It's really horrible, isn't it, to be sick and have to worry about income and medical care and a pension. That being said, if some of the allegations in the lawsuit are true, shame on everyone involved.
How much is this going to cost the Union? Shields sounds like a real asshole to me.
Sad
First of all I would hardly call his negotiation skills "exceptional" as I don't remember ANY favorable outcomes to police officers in the last 2 contact negotiations.
Secondly, this is typical lawyer bullshit, done out of spite.
This is what happens when you put a KID in charge of the candy store.
He has no clue as to what he is doing.
Wow, What a bunch of rat fucks. Don't worry, Shields will continue to fall on his face.
Disgusting this guy made tons of money of us now he wants to hurt our union bank account . Fuck him
Funny how he uses a dead to help his case!!! Such a great lawyer get another job
I feel so sorry for that man, to have been treated so maliciously, yes, maliciously by the incoming president and his staff.
Sounds like that lawsuit could bankrupt the FOP. I say good riddance and let's start all over.
I hope those who violated rules and laws and were sexual harassers are held accountable.
Shields was probably thinking, 'what do I need this old fart for'? Wanted a new 'dynamic' team around him, being too young to realize that the older, established employees are EXACTLY what he needs.
This lawsuit justifies Plienes being terminated. It is also an unethical attempt by Plienes to blackmail Shields and the FOP into giving him lifetime employment. Attorneys, even in-house counsel, are "at-will" employees and their services may be terminated at any time for any reason.
OT--
Patrick Daley rec'd more than 700K after the city signed a wireless contract with a comany the city claimed 'Batters' had no stake in.
Wonder if he's single? Hey, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em:)
Tim Fallon has been dead for a few years. Blame the dead guy, because he can't say any different.
If you read the federal lawsuit against me it doesn't paint me in too flattering a light either. I beat it last week. totally, 100%.
It was all lies. Remember, the plaintiff's complaint always describes the incident or conditions in terms most favorable to the plaintiff.
Tom is pissed he was let go. He was an at-will employee with no promise of a job until retirement.
And what are litigators good at? Litigating! He knows where bodies are buried and how to get a nice pot full of cash for retirement.
What a bunch of dummies
Pleines v. FOP
Holy Fuck. How much money is OUR union going to give away to attorneys because of THEIR fuck ups???
6/05/2011 09:35:00 PM
No way of knowing, read this, you can see there are more law suits coming.
Fuck all of you Daleys!! Rot in HELL!
http://www.suntimes.com/5754016-417/former-mayor-daleys-son-profited-after-airport-wi-fi-deal.html
SCC said...
"It certainly doesn't paint a flattering picture of anyone involved."
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Pardon me for being facetious here, SCC, but I don't think ANY lawsuit is filed to "paint a flattering picture" of the defendants.
As far as the suit, obviously it is a one-sided discussion. I'm sure the FOP will provide and EQUALLY one-sided response when given the opportunity.
This does bring up an interesting subject though. At what point is it okay to let an employee go? Once an employee is hired, must they be employed until they retire or die?
Is it necessary to try to do a character assassination on someone in order to bring in a new employee with better or broader skills or someone who you feel more comfortable working with? I don't know. Nothing in this suit necessarily convinces me that the "claims" made are absolutely true however.
Before anyone starts with the Shields attacks here, remember that the suit claims this started in 2007 under the old FOP Administration. Enough said. Let the court decide.
What a great start for Mike Shields and Crew!!!
Lawyers sue. It's what they do. It is also the primary reason this Country is in trouble.
After reading this, all I take away is that you can't fire anybody. EEOC is the biggest collection of BS lawsuits going.
"You fired me because I am a man, woman, black, Muslim, old, sick or a midget". You fill in the blank. The lawyers would have us believe that "exceptional" people are being fired every day because ...of what?
This reads like an SOS guys narrative, scripted.
so now Shields is going to cost us money.
OT - @ 0800hrs this morning the headlines on Chicago Breaking news were precious. In order they listed 3 different homicides and the muggings in Streeterville, then a story about how CPD is reporting that crime is down again for the month of May.
Read the entire complaint from head to toe. You Tom are an asshole.
Looks like Pleines wants a piece of the Insurance policy that FOP has. What an asshole.
Heard Pleines is working for Sgt's association. Good luck with that
OT 6 pods going to north ave beach
mcguff should have a large thermometer installed , when it hit 90 , alert cpd and cfd to close the beach
enough guff about no gang problems on chicago's lake front
we all had high hopes for mcguff
bring back phil cline
Wow! Paul grieger talk about incompetent I had a major problem and that clout kid had no clue Mikey Shields what the fuck are you thinking child? You will cost us fop members lots of needed cash you idiot! Got mark?? aSsHolES!
Did he work this hard to get money/benefits for the members during negociations, or defend and right the wrongs done to members by the department? Here comes the plaintiff??? Here comes the bullshit is more like it
Have they told anyone about the sexual harassment and discrimination charges made by two female employees ?
I didn't vote for shields because of his baggage. However, he can fire whoever the f he want's for cause or without cause. This is Illinois. He has that right. As far as age based discrimination goes, dude suck it up. Your a lawyer, hang a shingle out and get a new client.
Geiger has been the subject of both a sexual harassment investigation and a
gender discrimination lawsuit in the past six (6) years.
Sounds like it's only just begun...let the good times roll. FOP, what were you thinkin'?
Extremely disturbing. Blue shirts are paying their
Salaries?? No wonder fop doesn't get anything
accomplished. Too political. Disgraceful.
How much $$$ did poor Tommie get whilst he was in the FLOP's employ? Did you say over a $1,000,000? And now he feelings are hurt? Lawyer scum...
Eight Years!!!!! Haha
Any body who has ever interacted with him can tell you, he's selfish and unpleasant to be around. No wonder he got canned.
Sounds like that lawsuit could bankrupt the FOP.
Well Sara its called Insurance.
First I would like to say that I am sorry to hear about Tom's illness. Second, maybe Mike Shields could have exercised a little more sympathy. With that said, the new administration is definitely entitled to fill these sensitive positions with people that represent their brand of management, and that includes Tom's job. This is not a discrimination case and is so far reaching that it had to dirty up the case by mentioning the case regarding a purported sexual harrassment beef. This is typical lawyer bullshit that is designed to throw egg on the face of your opponent. This is a side show that hopefully does not distract us from the big picture, SAVING OUR PENSION! Mike Shields was definitely entitled to replace Tom and the other people removed. You may disagree from a personal stand point that it was cruel because Tom has his illness. But my feeling is that Tom was going to be removed regardless of his illness and that is it. His illness(and God Bless him)was not the motivating factor for dumping him.
Am I wrong, but wasn't mike elected to make these kind of decisions? If he feels that somebody else can do the job better then Pleines, isn't letting him go the right call?
And guess where the money's coming from to defend this case...
6/06/2011 01:21:00 AM
Yes, FOP has insurance and it is paying.
Does Patrick Daley look like a drunk or what?? Remember that accident that mayor mumbles had "working out" when he split his eye open.... Me has inside info that Patrick the drunk was boxing the clown... Clown being mumbles' face.
Lets not jump the gun kids - Shields can fire any non-elected FOP employee (unless they have a contract). Tom did not have a contract and thus an at-will employee. T.P. is using his illness as an excuse to sue - SHAMEFUL! I know Tom, his abilities are mediocre at best and his ability to get the Pension Board on our side are even worse. I hope you are well Tom - but this lawsuit is beneath you...HOW MUCH DID YOU CHARGE COPPERS FOR WORK THAT YOU & THE ADMINISTRATION SAID WAS NOT COVERED BY THE FOP? HOW MUCH DID YOU CHARGE THE FOP FOR SPECIAL CONSULTATIONS ON ISSUES THAT YOU SAID WERE NOT RELATED TO YOUR POSITION? This has nothing to do with your illness Tom - it has to do with a new regime and their desire to put their own trusted people in key spots.
When I wasd at IAD with pleines and asked Sgt Marisfino what order I bdisobeyed from Lt. Hearty,Sgt Marisfino said will get to it later pleinis never stepped in on my behalf. To this day I have Never been told. In my experience Pres. Shields got rid of a useless person. FYI I also took 3 days
OT: Today's Sun-Times picking up on Saturday nights flash mob attacks:
http://tinyurl.com/Chicago-Flash-Mob-Attack
I am not voting for Shields again he is in it for himself.
Mike you lost my vote....I know this is all bs but I know you what you are up too!
Ouch.
OT: The Trib makes this flash mob sound almost harmless. With quotes like "he had no fighting skills" and "I was only fighting with one guy". Finally, they end it with the victim making an insurance joke.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/chibrknews-victim-of-downtown-teen-mob-i-couldnt-believe-it-it-was-broad-daylight-20110606,0,5143663.story
who recalls the nurses at the medical section years back at the academy. when they were dumped back to the streets they cried and pouted and threathed to bring a suit against the city. all at once any talk of a suit disappered and they were made sgts, and dicks, coincidence, i think not.
All those speaking highly of Tom Pleines, remember this is the same guy who sent out settlement agreements to all the members who were wrongly placed on the Behavioral Intervention system by the City. The City admitted wrongdoing before the scheduled arbitration and all the officers were removed from said program. About a month later Pleines and the FOP sent out settlement agreement attempting to coax affected members into signing it, promising to not bring civil suit against the City or FOP. On a side note, the officers were removed from program regardless of their signing the agreement. However, Pleines made it sound as if their removal was contingent with signing the agreement. Such was not the case. Pleines certainly did not have the interests of those affected members at hand. He was concerned about saving the City money in the form of damages that should have been paid out to these officers. I'm curious to know if his decision making in this case had any bearing in his firing. I certainly hope so.
Paul geiger has been close friends with dan for at least 13 years that I can think of before mike was even a PO.. Dan years ago recommended him to me for a CR # as the only lawyer who cared and was smart at the FOP years ago while all other flop clowns where singing Roddy's praise. Geiger always did me right. No complaints about him. Very smart man. Danny use to go down to hang with Paul socially. So citywide knew that they where good friends for years. So don't you think perhaps these allegations surfaced after fop got wind that Shields would run as a way to set up Geiger to be fired for being friend with shields brothers. Has anyone even thought of that? No never happens in Chicago. Citywide was pissed that shields even had the gall to run let alone win when they told him not to. They called and told him that it was Bella's time to run. Just ask Bill.
The other staff fired. I don't care. What is Shields suppose to do bring in 2 more secretaries that can help the new team while paying the old ones just because their nice people? You'd all be complaining about how he's hiring too many secretaries. Is that any wiser then terminating AT WILL employees that are not needed. You want job protection pick a job with a union.
Lets remember Fop lawyers have been something that people have complained about for years. Now your going to complain when you vote a new president under the promise to change things and when he does complain. Can we stop acting like school girls please and start acting like police officers?
None of us work in that office. How many times have we heard about how awful a district or watch is to only work them later and find out its not the case. We are peering in from the outside and reading what disgruntled employees are saying as the truth? . Is that wise? Is that how you want to decide how the current administration is working out for us?
Like we say in Chicago lawsuits in cook county have nothing to do with truth and has everything to do with making lawyers more money.
OT does CPD need sworn officers assigned to news affairs,as security guards at homan square , police hdqtrs , crossing guard supervisors and as secretaries to commanders
Anonymous said...
First of all I would hardly call his negotiation skills "exceptional" as I don't remember ANY favorable outcomes to police officers in the last 2 contact negotiations.
Secondly, this is typical lawyer bullshit, done out of spite.
6/06/2011 04:55:00 AM
Sheilds is making excuses already for our up coming contract. Is this called foreshadowing? Stay off the blog Mike. The president of FOP should have more important things going on. If I recall President Sheilds was going to take down this blog called Second City Cop. He said he was going to win a showdown between him and SCC.
Pleines was never that sharp an attorney and a lot of retirees can attest to that.
Before we rush to judgement and condemn Mikey Shields and all the others, just remember that this complaint is jut ONE PERSON'S SIDE of the alleged injury.
Wait until it all comes out in court.
...and don't go to the union meetings and ask him any embarrassing questions about this incident as you know he can not answer them.
Just sit back and wait and see how this all plays out. It may be an entirely different set of facts by the time it get to court.
This looks like a big loser for Fop. Especially considering how well people with debilitating illnesses play before a jury if it goes that far. Just put it on the tab along with new furniture, a new spokesperson(Camden), a new lobbyist (Donahue), a new field rep (Farrell). Hey while they are at it why not hire Daley or his kid. Im sure Shields could find a spot for them also.
Anonymous said...
This lawsuit justifies Plienes being terminated. It is also an unethical attempt by Plienes to blackmail Shields and the FOP into giving him lifetime employment. Attorneys, even in-house counsel, are "at-will" employees and their services may be terminated at any time for any reason.
6/06/2011 06:25:00 AM
Thank you John Marshall!! Actually an "at will" employee can be terminated for any reason, EXCEPT any that will violate the Civil Rights Act. Pleines is in a protected class by age and disability and cannot be fired because of that. It becomes a matter of evidence and ultimately proof.
Met Mike Shields at a function. When I was on the JOB(31 Years) I met a lot of arrogant people . This guy takes the cake. Just my observation.
Old retired guy
6/06/2011 02:53:00 AM
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I'm with you, he should have been let go long ago, now this... an unfortunate situation with the Parkinson's disease, but that doesn't change the rest of the situation...
HA HA Thanks for the votes Suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it true that 5 of Daley's old security detail members (those not heavy enough to get a spot) are now at the academy to be Re-Tred back to the streets! There are no instructors at the academy so who is doing the instructing?? Are these much needed officers ready for the street? Also is it true that they have filed a grievence to remain in the Sgt. Pay Status that they were in while guarding King Richard & Maggie and not return to their regular pay status, since it would be a financial burden on them & their families. Just asking!
Firstly, everyone here who claims Tom's "at will" employment status as some kind of immunizing factor for the FOP misses the essence of the ADA cause of action. Yes, it is easier to fire an at will employee, but the ADA still provides remedies when termination is the result of discrimination related to disability status.
Secondly, whether his termination was related to the alleged sexual harassment investigation at the FOP offices or not, I cannot say. I can say that the coexistence of this investigation and Tom's cooperation with it and his subsequent termination paints the FOP in a negative light. Not sure what kind of office Shields is running but the whole point of a union, and I come from a union family, is to protect workplace dignity, safety, and stability. If sexual harassment is indeed a practice at the FOP office shame on the FOP. I don't want to subsidize the costs of defending sex harassment suits and if there is credibility to the allegations, the FOP needs to terminate the harasser. I voted for Shields and wish him the best. Hope he is up to the task. From what I've seen thus far, I'm not sure he'll have my vote again.
so now Shields is going to cost us money.
6/06/2011 08:01:00 AM
No....Pleines is going to cost you money...because that Suit is worded in such a way that if it is dismissed, there is automatic grounds for appeal to the next level.
Wow! Paul grieger talk about incompetent I had a major problem and that clout kid had no clue Mikey Shields what the fuck are you thinking child? You will cost us fop members lots of needed cash you idiot! Got mark?? aSsHolES!
6/06/2011 08:22:00 AM
sorry, but we don't hand out coupon discounts for Viagra.
you'll have to pay full boat, or get a new boyfriend.
If I recall President Sheilds was going to take down this blog called Second City Cop. He said he was going to win a showdown between him and SCC.
6/06/2011 01:15:00 PM
if you recall......
take another handful of Midol.
you'll feel much better.
Anonymous said...
OT does CPD need sworn officers assigned to news affairs,as security guards at homan square , police hdqtrs , crossing guard supervisors and as secretaries to commanders
6/06/2011 12:40:00 PM
Sorry, but some white shirts need secretaries, even full duty officers. Look at the specialized units such as the academy. They have their share of full duty secretaries. Can you imagine a full duty officer paid to answer phones and type memos? Gosh, this baffles the mind.
Anonymous said...
One thing to remember. The employees terminated were at will employees. Any new administration can terminate anyone to bring in their people.
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But that doesn't stop a bloodsucking lawyer from trying to get ghetto rich now does it?
Phil Schitz here said...
I liked Pleines. I'm not happy with what I read about retalitory firings. I've never met Mike Shields and I didn't vote for him, but he comes across as being immature.
6/06/2011 02:30:00 AM
You didn't vote for him kid because, once again with feeling, YOU AREN'T A COP.
Oh Paul, go back to work! Did you piss away the whole day writing this shit?
The question that that needs to be asked at the Board Meeting tomorrow, or the General Meeting next week is:
Are we gonna write the three employees a big check soon, or are we gonna pay Mike Shields' attorney friends a whole bunch of money before we settle?
The insurance policy is gone, we lost that when we didn't follow through and make everyone do the sexual harassment training after the first SH suit five years ago,.
Firstly, everyone here who claims Tom's "at will" employment status as some kind of immunizing factor for the FOP misses the essence of the ADA cause of action. Yes, it is easier to fire an at will employee, but the ADA still provides remedies when termination is the result of discrimination related to disability status.
Secondly, whether his termination was related to the alleged sexual harassment investigation at the FOP offices or not, I cannot say. I can say that the coexistence of this investigation and Tom's cooperation with it and his subsequent termination paints the FOP in a negative light. Not sure what kind of office Shields is running but the whole point of a union, and I come from a union family, is to protect workplace dignity, safety, and stability. If sexual harassment is indeed a practice at the FOP office shame on the FOP. I don't want to subsidize the costs of defending sex harassment suits and if there is credibility to the allegations, the FOP needs to terminate the harasser. I voted for Shields and wish him the best. Hope he is up to the task. From what I've seen thus far, I'm not sure he'll have my vote again.
6/06/2011 03:15:00 PM
You said it all and it is all on the money!
Is it true he fired the ex-police officer KM? If so, she was messed over by the CPD and now by the FOP. She's a nice person and was always helpful. She deserved better treatment, if it is true.
ummm its called liability insurance doubt union pays any of people.
When Donahue was running for president 10 years ago for his first term as president he said Pleines was to be let go. Did Pleines threaten something then? Pleines then got an office in the FOP building instead of paying for his own office space. Pleines also got paid from officers when he said his legal work for them was outside what the FOP paid for.
Pleines was mediocre at best, but Shields did not play smart and, because he did not play smart, we are all going to get the short end of the baton on this deal. Sux.
Anonymous said...
This lawsuit justifies Plienes being terminated. It is also an unethical attempt by Plienes to blackmail Shields and the FOP into giving him lifetime employment. Attorneys, even in-house counsel, are "at-will" employees and their services may be terminated at any time for any reason.
6/06/2011 06:25:00 AM
Amen.
Counter sue!
Anonymous said...
This lawsuit justifies Plienes being terminated. It is also an unethical attempt by Plienes to blackmail Shields and the FOP into giving him lifetime employment. Attorneys, even in-house counsel, are "at-will" employees and their services may be terminated at any time for any reason.
6/06/2011 06:25:00 AM
O'Brien said...
Thank you John Marshall!! Actually an "at will" employee can be terminated for any reason, EXCEPT any that will violate the Civil Rights Act. Pleines is in a protected class by age and disability and cannot be fired because of that. It becomes a matter of evidence and ultimately proof.
6/06/2011 02:47:00 PM
O'Brien, you speak the truth. Some people think "at will" allows them to conduct an "unfettered slash and burn with no consequences", but they are very wrong.
The city sucks. Morale sucks. The union sucks. Beer? Beer is good. As long as it is enjoyed alone, inside the house with the shades drawn so as not to offend or tempt anyone to drop a dime...
Not a huge fan of Shields. That said, every story has two sides. Except for Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. That story has lots of sides. None of which I understand...
I exited my patrol car and twisted my ankle Shields you jerk i know you were behind it. Then i went home and my wife didnt want any sex Shields I know you had something to do with that to, so I went to the fridge for a beer and the beer was gone , Mikey
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is it true that 5 of Daley's old security detail members (those not heavy enough to get a spot) are now at the academy to be Re-Tred back to the streets! There are no instructors at the academy so who is doing the instructing?? Are these much needed officers ready for the street? Also is it true that they have filed a grievence to remain in the Sgt. Pay Status that they were in while guarding King Richard & Maggie and not return to their regular pay status, since it would be a financial burden on them & their families. Just asking!
6/06/2011 03:06:00 PM
Why Don't you stop by the Academy and ask them if you are so concerned.
Many of us realize first hand how incompetent Pleines is and how much money he made off injured officers. Ask anyone who had to uses his services while trying to get disbility since 1992. Pleines' firing is a long time coming and we stand behind Shields. Ask questions to those who know about Pleines before throwing Mike under the train!
today city leaders hold a press conference on heat , it's hot
how does tuscon arizona handle the heat everyday
When I wasd at IAD with pleines and asked Sgt Marisfino what order I bdisobeyed from Lt. Hearty,Sgt Marisfino said will get to it later pleinis never stepped in on my behalf. To this day I have Never been told. In my experience Pres. Shields got rid of a useless person. FYI I also took 3 days
6/06/2011 11:06:00 AM
Did she order you to spell correctly? If so, 3 days was a slap on the wrist.
At least Pleines was able to successfully lobby for us in Springfield. We just had Shields, Donahue (back on the payroll) and our lobbyist down there. They spent all their time lobbying for AFSCME (State, City & County bureaucrats and their supervisors and managers - NO POLICE). AFSCME got what they wanted - we couldn't even get a bill out of committee - SHAMEFUL! Nothing on the web site about their failure in Springfield - Pleines is a distraction. Thanks for nothing FOP.
The new boss says part of his new crime reduction stratedgy is using the community's "moral authority" to change the behavior of the criminals.". What happens when he realuzes they have no moral authority?
When I wasd at IAD with pleines and asked Sgt Marisfino what order I bdisobeyed from Lt. Hearty,Sgt Marisfino said will get to it later pleinis never stepped in on my behalf. To this day I have Never been told. In my experience Pres. Shields got rid of a useless person. FYI I also took 3 days
6/06/2011 11:06:00 AM
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You should've been given 30 days and sent back to grammar school. Your grammar aside, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about!
You should've been given 30 days and sent back to grammar school. Your grammar aside, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about!
6/06/2011 09:21:00 PM
it's clear as crystal to me.
if i attempt to explain it to you, will you get mad, take your marbles and run home to mommy?
What happens when he realuzes they have no moral authority?
6/06/2011 09:13:00 PM
bingo.
Did she order you to spell correctly? If so, 3 days was a slap on the wrist.
6/06/2011 07:27:00 PM
picky, picky, picky.
how does tuscon arizona handle the heat everyday
6/06/2011 07:07:00 PM
it's a dry heat.
Hey, If Pleines actually owned his own computer, he could actually connect to the internet and read this stuff.
Didn't Citywide/Donahue run in 2002 on the promise to fire Pleines? Looks like it took nine years and a new Prez to finally make it happen. Way to go, Mike.
Anonymous said...
Pleines was mediocre at best, but Shields did not play smart and, because he did not play smart, we are all going to get the short end of the baton on this deal. Sux.
6/06/2011 05:03:00 PM
Shields did what Donahue should have done years ago. Shields said for anyone willing to listen months before the election that Pleines was gone if he (Shields) got elected. He did and he was.
Pleines has since proved himself very worthy of that firing.
Mike Shields has done something really strange in Chicago. He has done exactly what he said he was going to do once elected.
And the FOP has insurance for this type of thing. No dues money. The firing was deserved and overdue.
The people who are negatively affected by the fact that Shields made FOP Prez are apparently pissed off.
Lawyers will be lawyers won't they?
Bottom-feeders.
At least Shields is honest.
Did she order you to spell correctly? If so, 3 days was a slap on the wrist.
6/06/2011 07:27:00 PM
Best line of the day!
Back in the early 80s. Pleines Sr was a Commander. Young Tom Pleines was an OPS investigator. He recommended 10 days suspension for excessive force for myself and three other P.O.s after a stolen vehicle pursuit. Two squads were damaged and 2 P.O.s were injured. This "brutality" was witnessed by a lawyer (whom I believe became a judge) from TEN STORIES up. The witness could not ID the "offending" officers and the arrestee refused to speak with that fat f--k. Pleines is a spineless POS.
"what goes 'round, comes 'round, YOU CLOUTED CLOWN.
Pleines - what a disgrace he is.
Will Runway Ron surface with updates on the wi fi at the airport?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is it true that 5 of Daley's old security detail members (those not heavy enough to get a spot) are now at the academy to be Re-Tred back to the streets! There are no instructors at the academy so who is doing the instructing?? Are these much needed officers ready for the street? Also is it true that they have filed a grievence to remain in the Sgt. Pay Status that they were in while guarding King Richard & Maggie and not return to their regular pay status, since it would be a financial burden on them & their families. Just asking!
6/06/2011 03:06:00 PM
Why Don't you stop by the Academy and ask them if you are so concerned.
6/06/2011 06:22:00 PM
I did stop by the academy & low & behold there wasn't a mouse (the Daley 5) in the house. Maybe Rahm could find out where they were!
You know nice fellow or not this is business, if we are not happy with one of our at will employees than fire them we should this just sounds like some whining about being kicked out, it happens every day to us when a new commander comes to town...... Just looking for deep pockets, I don't think shields pulled anything suprising here most of this was laid up under the old regime... This guy just set up his lawsuit.... X
"OT does CPD need sworn officers assigned to news affairs,as security guards at homan square , police hdqtrs , crossing guard supervisors and as secretaries to commanders"
Yes.
FYI:
Pleines made a nice buck on his own (not with the FOP) defending potential hirees who were REJECTED for being hired as a recruits. Some of these rejections were applicants that were police fighters and here's Pleines defending them at the Personnel Board. If anything, it was a HUGE conflict of interest, and despite complaints, he continued his little side practice raking in big bucks because he knew the ins and outs of the system.
I'm not feeling sorry or angry at anyone involved here, it is what it is.
Fuck pleines! Parkinsons or not he sucked as counsel for fop. Not too many of us left who remember him signing away our health care contributions midway through negotiations! Shields should see how much pleines fuck ip cost fop members since he did that! Fuck you you sack of shit for suing fop. They carried your useless ass for a long time. Maybe you can hook up with the other unemployed three times to pass the bar piece of shit who also jut lost his job. Just stay away from the big bearded guy, he hurts people.
I didn't vote for shields. Many of you did. Fail.
Anonymous said...
how does tuscon arizona handle the heat everyday
6/06/2011 07:07:00 PM
it's a dry heat.
6/06/2011 09:51:00 PM
Plus hey don't have the vast quantity of roving bands of thug democrats.
Working Man said...
When I wasd at IAD with pleines and asked Sgt Marisfino what order I bdisobeyed from Lt. Hearty,Sgt Marisfino said will get to it later pleinis never stepped in on my behalf. To this day I have Never been told. In my experience Pres. Shields got rid of a useless person. FYI I also took 3 days
6/06/2011 11:06:00 AM
Let this be an example of what can happen when blogging under the influence. It isn't pretty. And please, don't send pix of your privates to anyone via twitter.
Anonymous said...
I feel so sorry for that man, to have been treated so maliciously, yes, maliciously by the incoming president and his staff.
Sounds like that lawsuit could bankrupt the FOP. I say good riddance and let's start all over.
I hope those who violated rules and laws and were sexual harassers are held accountable.
Shields was probably thinking, 'what do I need this old fart for'? Wanted a new 'dynamic' team around him, being too young to realize that the older, established employees are EXACTLY what he needs.
6/06/2011 06:22:00 AM
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is it true that 5 of Daley's old security detail members (those not heavy enough to get a spot) are now at the academy to be Re-Tred back to the streets! There are no instructors at the academy so who is doing the instructing?? Are these much needed officers ready for the street? Also is it true that they have filed a grievence to remain in the Sgt. Pay Status that they were in while guarding King Richard & Maggie and not return to their regular pay status, since it would be a financial burden on them & their families. Just asking!
6/06/2011 03:06:00 PM
Why Don't you stop by the Academy and ask them if you are so concerned.
6/06/2011 06:22:00 PM
I did stop by the academy & low & behold there wasn't a mouse (the Daley 5) in the house. Maybe Rahm could find out where they were!
6/06/2011 11:02:00 PM
You are full of BS. They are there. If your going to post something please try and be truthful.
O'Brien said...
Thank you John Marshall!! Actually an "at will" employee can be terminated for any reason, EXCEPT any that will violate the Civil Rights Act. Pleines is in a protected class by age and disability and cannot be fired because of that. It becomes a matter of evidence and ultimately proof.
6/06/2011 02:47:00 PM
O'Brien, you speak the truth. Some people think "at will" allows them to conduct an "unfettered slash and burn with no consequences", but they are very wrong.
6/06/2011 05:14:00 PM
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You're both making excuses for a lawyer who's attempting to get ghetto rich off the men & women of the police department by dreaming up a fictitious story with almost all of it based on his personal "word" with a dead man.
Once all THOSE allegations are thrown out based on ZERO proof of the conversations this slug has nothing left.
"Evidence", points to Pleines thinking he had permanent employment with the FOP and that he thought he could continue to overcharge police officers for work done that was already covered by FOP bylaws and the contract.
This guy is an exemplary picture of what a 'Lawyer" is, a scumbag leech who's first and only thoughts are how they can craft a lie big enough and containing unsubstantiated lies confusing enough that MAYBE the other side is stupid enough that they'll just pay them off so they can do no work or be discovered that they are, in fact, gutless liars who feed like maggots on anyone they think they can intimidate to get cash off of.
This guy needs to be exposed in court and the FOP should publicly post all progress on this case on the website so everyone can see what a POS Pleines is.
For those who wish to see the games this scumbag is playing without waiting, simply goto the clerk of the circuit court's website and find the case online and watch all the frivolous, moneywasting harrassment motions Pleines will be filing to cost US even more money.
They spent all their time lobbying for AFSCME (State, City & County bureaucrats and their supervisors and managers - NO POLICE). AFSCME got what they wanted - we couldn't even get a bill out of committee - SHAMEFUL!
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Hey stupid, the FOP and every other organized labor entity in this STATE should have been there pushing for everything they could for ANY union they could.
Some of you just don't understand ALL unions need all the help they can get against these scumbag politicians, and that means SUPPORTING OTHER UNIONS BESIDES OUR OWN to ensure these fuckers aren't allowed to destroy ALL union labor in this state.
Whatever the FOP did to help AFSCME, I'M GLAD YOU DID IT.
When the time comes moron, we'll be needing all the help WE can get as well.
BTW, try waving at other union members when you pass them next time, they all should know we support THEM and maybe they'll feel the same way when it's OUR turn to get porch fucked.
Pleines - what a disgrace he is.
6/06/2011 10:46:00 PM
He is a lawyer. You cannot disgrace that profession. This kind of thing IMPRESSES his peers. Haven't you figured that out yet?
Also: We do not need sworn Officers in News Affairs, unless they are competent and do a great job. The current group is not competent.
You could hire college interns that would do a better job. Throw in a Marketing major and get some public relations in the deal too.
Two areas covered for less than you are paying now,
Plienes wasna sh$t attorney and needed to go. He signed off on us getting screwed on our health care with Bill Nolan back in 2003. This schmuck should of been let go years ago.
Tom, you say you were terminated from an illness you have AND because you co-operated with Marie Marrero's FALSE allegations against FOP? Just as your lawsuit is bullshit cause you were fired, and Mary Pats (Mark Donahue's assistant is also suing for sexual harrassment)WHAT A JOKE!!! Bottom line is when new house comes in they can keep and get rid of whoever they want just like Mark Donahue did when he won!! Oh, and its funny TOM that you say were fired for cooperating in Marie's FALSE ALLEGATIONS against FOP when she named you in her sexual harrassment case against them as well!! LOL Funny that you cooperated with someone naming you in her claim as sexually harraqssing her too!!! I guess maybe you should read her claims!!! Oh, so are you saying she is lying that you never sexually harrassed her? Just like your claim has any merit??? LIKE I SAID ALL BUSSLSHIT CLAIMS FROM YOU, MARYPAT, AND MARIE!!! You should all bow out gently like normal people do when they get fired, especially ones that work for a company that have to worry about losing their jobs every 3 years, your all AT WILL employees!! Just because Mike wanted to hire a "few" new people you are all acting like its never happened at FOP!! It happens everytime a new crew takes over. Maybe you should wipe away your tears and find a new job cause your career at FOP is OVER!!!!! And eryone who is reading this should also know that any moron can make any allegations against anyone or any company for anything and that does NOT mean that anything is true! The bottom line is all of these people were terminated and everyone of them except one is suing. Im surprised you all havent talked the last one into suing FOP for more false allegations just to have them waste money on all of your LIES!!!! YOU ARE ALL A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!! What goes around comes around and karma will come back to each of you liars!!
I exited my patrol car and twisted my ankle Shields you jerk i know you were behind it. Then i went home and my wife didnt want any sex Shields I know you had something to do with that to, so I went to the fridge for a beer and the beer was gone , Mikey
6/06/2011 05:43:00 PM
Sorry about your ankle, but how long has Mike been taking care of business at your house and drinking all of your beer? As soon as your ankle feels better, you should put your foot down. Beer is expensive!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is it true that 5 of Daley's old security detail members (those not heavy enough to get a spot) are now at the academy to be Re-Tred back to the streets! There are no instructors at the academy so who is doing the instructing?? Are these much needed officers ready for the street? Also is it true that they have filed a grievence to remain in the Sgt. Pay Status that they were in while guarding King Richard & Maggie and not return to their regular pay status, since it would be a financial burden on them & their families. Just asking!
6/06/2011 03:06:00 PM
I know of 3 guys who lost security specialist status due to a change in their principal they all lost the D-3 if they will hooray the other 3 could sue and get all the backpay and pensionability!
How about policemen sticking together and vote to reduce the salary of the FOP Pres and his 3 VICE Pres why should they make so much money and a car. Why all the big money . Why is Sidney Davis holding a office and he is going to retire ???
You're both making excuses for a lawyer who's attempting to get ghetto rich off the men & women of the police department by dreaming up a fictitious story with almost all of it based on his personal "word" with a dead man.
6/07/2011 07:30:00 AM
Not so. It is not about the firing of Pleines. He should have been shown the door a long time ago. It is about how it was done. Were all the bases covered? Hope so, otherwise, it can result in costly litigation and/or a very costly remedy. We will ultimately learn if all the bases were covered because it will be revealed by the process. As of this moment, no one knows that answer, not even Shields and Pleines.
But remember three things as the process unfolds. Age, disablity and performance reviews. Those three big vicious dawgs might bite somebody in the end. (pun intended)
This guy needs to be exposed in court and the FOP should publicly post all progress on this case on the website so everyone can see what a POS Pleines is.
For those who wish to see the games this scumbag is playing without waiting, simply goto the clerk of the circuit court's website and find the case online and watch all the frivolous, moneywasting harrassment motions Pleines will be filing to cost US even more money.
6/07/2011 07:30:00 AM
Not to burst your bubble baby, I can see you are on hot roll here, but . . . THIS IS FEDERAL COURT! Not Crook County, this is serious business -- The man got a Right To Sue letter in less than 60 days. FOP is on the dirty end of this stick. And the question is still, Pay Pleines, or pay a lawyer then pay Pleines? hmmmm?
As for publishing the progess, I'd settle for the FOP posting the minutes of the meetings again. Another big change with the new Pres. Progress -- not so much!
Pleines may be a leech or a scum sucking lawyer. But does anyone notice the common thread that all of the suits have had against FOP?
Paul Geiger. He seems to open his mouth a whole lot and cost the membership money.
Shields and company campaigned on the whole Julie Diemer thing. Now there's a sexual harassment beef against Geiger? And he doesn't look all that hot in the suit with Pleines. I know that coppers are the subject of a law of stupid law suits and CR numbers. But 3 times?
You're both making excuses for a lawyer who's attempting to get ghetto rich off the men & women of the police department by dreaming up a fictitious story with almost all of it based on his personal "word" with a dead man.
Once all THOSE allegations are thrown out based on ZERO proof of the conversations this slug has nothing left.
"Evidence", points to Pleines thinking he had permanent employment with the FOP and that he thought he could continue to overcharge police officers for work done that was already covered by FOP bylaws and the contract.
This guy is an exemplary picture of what a 'Lawyer" is, a scumbag leech who's first and only thoughts are how they can craft a lie big enough and containing unsubstantiated lies confusing enough that MAYBE the other side is stupid enough that they'll just pay them off so they can do no work or be discovered that they are, in fact, gutless liars who feed like maggots on anyone they think they can intimidate to get cash off of.
This guy needs to be exposed in court and the FOP should publicly post all progress on this case on the website so everyone can see what a POS Pleines is.
For those who wish to see the games this scumbag is playing without waiting, simply goto the clerk of the circuit court's website and find the case online and watch all the frivolous, moneywasting harrassment motions Pleines will be filing to cost US even more money.
6/07/2011 07:30:00 AM
Hey Dimbulb. Stating a fact is not anywhere near the same thing as making excuses. You see there is a Civil Rights Act that is Federal Law, it carries protections for members of certain groups from discrimination such as unwarranted discipline, lack of promotion, firings and other job actions. These groups contain persons of a certain age, sex, color, sexual pursuasion and those disabled. Pleines is in at least 2 of these groups and therefore has some guarantees by the US Government. He is suing to enforce those guarantees. I don't know how to make the issue any simpler, but somehow I suspect that you, and other dopes of your ilk, will still not understand. Well, at least I tried.
Incidentally, for your further edification: The Civil Rights Act, as I previously stated, is Federal Law, that is U.S. Government law. You could look long and hard in the Circuit Court Clerk's website and you will not find it.
Maybe you could go back to high school and retake a Civics Course.
Shields and company campaigned on the whole Julie Diemer thing. Now there's a sexual harassment beef against Geiger? And he doesn't look all that hot in the suit with Pleines. I know that coppers are the subject of a law of stupid law suits and CR numbers. But 3 times?
6/07/2011 02:50:00 PM
Make it 4 times! The worse lawsuit against FOP has yet to be published. Wait for it men and women! The facts of the 4th lawsuit will blow everyone out of the water! Man the life jackets!
I voted for Mike and I think what he walked into was Mark's left over mess!! I have faith in you MIKE. You'll do just fine. Make us PROUD!!!
SHIELDS TEAM is what we voted for let's give him a chance!!! What ever your reasoning was to terminate those employes you felt was in your best interest! Tim fallon I heard has been dead for years is how his lawsuit begins. Something about that isn't right!! Seems you have some LIARS you terrminated.
How much are these false allegations lawsuits going to cost the UNION??? Tom did a disability case for me and LOST. Sorry to hear all of this but I wasn't pleased with your work!!!
I think we have a strong FOP. We have new (Shield's Team) and City Wide Team mixed. Mike is young but give him a chance. He seems like an up front person and deserves a CHANCE!!!!!!!!
If all of this is true, isn't it IRONIC that everyone that Mike let go is now suing......... The possibility that those allegations are false seems HIGH!!
Anonymous said...
I voted for Mike and I think what he walked into was Mark's left over mess!! I have faith in you MIKE. You'll do just fine. Make us PROUD!!!
6/08/2011 12:30:00 AM
Sorry to say, Mike won't make us proud because he is still surrounded by the same liars and thieves from Donahue's administration. Cut them loose. They are conspiring behind his back and he doesn't see it coming.
Shields and company campaigned on the whole Julie Diemer thing. Now there's a sexual harassment beef against Geiger? And he doesn't look all that hot in the suit with Pleines. I know that coppers are the subject of a law of stupid law suits and CR numbers. But 3 times?
6/07/2011 02:50:00 PM
Make it 4 times! The worse lawsuit against FOP has yet to be published. Wait for it men and women! The facts of the 4th lawsuit will blow everyone out of the water! Man the life jackets!
PAULY G. NEEDS TO QUIT BLOGGING AND FIND AN ATTORNEY QUICK!!! HE BE IN DEEP SHIT.
Just to prevent any stupid statements relative to my previous posts, I am aware that there are several Federal Acts that govern discriminaton in employment as well as in other areas, such as the Americans with Disabilities Act, as well as the Age Discrimnination Employment Act and a few others. I was speaking generally using Title VII, The Civil Rights, generically.
I think we have a strong FOP. We have new (Shield's Team) and City Wide Team mixed. Mike is young but give him a chance. He seems like an up front person and deserves a CHANCE!!!!!!!!
Give him a chance? This isnt on the job training. He shouldve known what he was doing long before he got the spot. Well its evident that he doesnt. And by the time he figures it out if he ever does our contract will be over and done and we will be getting screwed hard.
If...............
He wins his case it will be the first one he ever won.
Tommie "the vampire " pisslineass.
FOP IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE CASE THE EASY WAY HIRE Pilanass to defend you.
Get that virus arbiter to help him. The decision will become an amendment to the constitution!.
He's da guy who fired his" assistant consular " for getting pregnant! Remember how much HE COST THE MEMBERSHIP?
HEADS I WIN TAILS YOU LOSE.
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