Executive Officers?
Captains gone again?
- RUMORS:
Captains to be re-assigned as "executive officers"
* Captains would be working under district commanders. Perhaps they will take over smaller units and commanders will get dumped.
* Lieutenants will be re-named "watch coordinator”. No more title of "watch commander". They will only get paid LTs pay.
* NO MORE DESK SERGEANTS. One officer will be named as the “bonding officer” and they will be in charge of the safe, clerk arrest reports, get all the paperwork together for prisoners going to court and writing I-Bonds.
Since the general orders are being re-written the city feels they are not circumventing the contracts.
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This is in the works to go through by the end of the year.
The city ALSO want all civilians on the desk with the exception of the one sworn P.O. that can be the "bonding officer".
A couple of rough drafts of some new orders have been making their way around 35th street.
In the mean time NO promotions any time soon.
LTs will fall under 200 in manpower.
At least 40+ sergeants have put in their papers for this year. By the middle of next year sgts will fall under 1100 in manpower.
Captains should fall under 40 by next year also.
Once again, shuffling the deck. Renaming the entire captain rank and not disbanding some of the useless middle management layers downtown.
Let's see how much of this turns out to be true.
Let's see how much of this turns out to be true.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
127 Comments:
No SCC 75+ Sergeants are retiring this Nov 15th, and some Lieutenants not sure how many! The titanic can rearrange deck chairs all they like but in the end we know what happened!
fyi scc, no more i bonds for people who come off the street and they need their dl back for some bs reason. show me the $$$$ or no dl back. city wants the money any way possible. Also district wide memo said no more " just go to the station and get ibond signed and get your dl back " speech some people serve on traffic stops just to make retards behind wheel feel better.
Maybe someone can explain. But if positions are written into contracts like lock up keeper, bid desk spots, and desk Sgt. How can the city just decide to get rid of them. Wont the union just win the grievances.
Anyone have the murder total for the weekend? Judging by the news its at least eight.
In keeping with the spirit of the times, I say let the protesters do their own thing. Hurray for them! Emmanuel and McCarthy can appease the angry crowds.
They really don't need us. They are supermen and should have everything back to normal in no time. Right, guys?
No desk sergeants? Is that how NY does it? No!
Old is new again. They should'nt have fired the police aides. Ours did reports and radios, she was the best.
wow, you think some of these already existing desk crews are slow. wait until you put civilians behind the desk. now the wait time will double or triple. makes no sense thus it will happen.
No promotions because the lists are coming down. Rham wants his people in place. And yes there is money that is already budgeted for exams. Dicks and Lts lists for sure. Possibly 1 more sgts class due to retirements. I was told this after the election. The department will be down to 9500 at the end of Rhams first term. More with less is the opinion from city hall.
From Tuesday's Chicago Tribune:
Police union: Scrap Police Board, use arbitration for misconduct cases
"The 2012 budget that Emanuel unveils Wednesday is expected to include deep cuts in the Chicago Police Department’s previously-sacrosanct, $1.3 billion-a-year budget concentrated in the exempt ranks."
The will always have to have AT LEAST 1 Captain due to the fact that they can not get rid of the rank in there contract.
Of course every new contract can have changes made to it.
This much is certainly true: I will be known real soon as the former Beat Car Operator who is on his way out so I don't give a fuck. Watch Coordinator, Executive Officer, who cares, hey fucking blow me with this bullshit. Not much longer now and I can't wait, counting down the days.
Idiots doing idiot things because they idiots.
It would be funny as hell if a whole bunch of exempts and other assorted higher-ups decided to put in their papers just shy of G8. I would laugh my ass off--because either way we're screwed, but if that happened 9.5 and McStupe would feel it in the arse as well.
OT--but important:
Head of CTA Claypool is calling for the union to make concessions regarding 'outdated' work rules. Says the union has to be 'reasonable' about changing work rules.
Translated: give up a whole bunch of benefits that took you years to accumulate.Coming soon to a contract near you.
I hope FOP is ready to hunker down--we better hang on to everything for dear life. Watch the city be able to circumvent a whole lot of things that benefit us by reshuffling titles and rewriting the General Orders. No wonder I can't sleep at night!
OT:
During 'Ideas Week', Atlanta mayor said he told his police officers regarding pensions: "Take it (the diminished one we're offering) or leave it. Yup. Rahm will do the same thing--just watch.
The only thing I can hope for is that he wants to get rid of old-timers and comes up with some kind of deal. But the younger officers, you better get a second job, cuz you're not getting a pension.
Shields is right, disband the phoney crony police board now. What an incredible waste of money.
Great. If thats true watch what you say in the station in front of THOSE people.
Each NYPD pct. has an "executive officer" (XO) who answers to the commanding officer (CO).
McStat, it's time to get rid of exempt's heading up units like finance, doc, caps, rd, special events, and all the other admin. support units. Use capts for d units. a Lt. can run traffic.
I know, it's the exempts leadership skills that brought down the Crime stats. Or, the fact that there ain't shut you can do to a civil service Lt. other than putting them in a district v
Hey 9.5, get rid of the gold braid pensions.
Off-topic:
Would appreciate updates during secuirty planning process re: G8/NATO/Russia Summits in regards to general public safety for people who work or live in downtown and UICC areas. I'm concerned that the "happy news" from City Hall and official CPD pronouncements will fail to address reality of thousands of street protestors combined w/opportunistic minority youth flash mobs, resulting in significant rioting, property damage, and physical danger for innocent bystanders trying to continue their daily commute to work, etc. If we need to stay out of downtown period during Summits, can someone call it so?
This is absolutely a sinking ship!
Civilians having access and dealing with confidential information in the Police Station!
How long will it be before the shitbirds know about Police activitites of how we work and when. SO that the assholes can adjust their drug dealing, gang banging schedules?
Can't wait to hear about grievances and lawsuits over these stupid ideas!
Da Pelon
Executive Officers?!
What! Is the Police turning into the U.S. Navy?
How nice for this sinking ship organization!
Who thinks this stupid shit up? Too much "Hunt for Red October" Reruns in HQ!
Da Pelon
I can honestly say that after 20 years on this job! I'm NOT looking for any promotions on this job anymore and in fact i can't wait to retire and leave this stupid police dept. A once proud organization and profession broken down to political pawns and hacks!
This city can burn down and I would NOT care! This city SUCKS!
Review officer should be a civilian job done by a clerk or a light duty officer not a full duty officer.Tac secretary duties can be easily picked up by the watch desk.These changes alone would send a lot of full duty officers back to the streets to help out.
This guy better stop worrying about the management of the district stations and start worrying about the management of the streets. The downtown protests on Columbus day were an obvious test of police response and interaction as well as a trial to see how independent protest groups can come together and coordinate their activities. We got lucky - again - and were not prepared for the crowds as we should have been. And they weren't even that big. Next spring, my friends, will be hell.
Hope they know what that means? Dah they will be writting all orders etc Enjoy-The Coffee maker
Yeah, but the Sun times says that Rahm put more cops on the street. And the Sun Times says nothing about the 20% of tax money that gets skimmed off the top and handed to the city's elite in TIF contracts. Manholes are getting lined by contractors but not repaired. They just spraypaint over the holes. Nwe planter medians get built and filled by people from Wisconsin,Indiana and Mexico, but no money for the FOP! When you call for a tree to be planted, convicts come out to do it in a day. When you call for a policeman, you have to wait.
can't do it. Just because you call them something different does not mean you can get around the contract provisions..
if you are doing the duties of "Sergeant" or Watch Commander....contract says you get paid out of grade...
Not..well it is now your duty or the duty of a bonding officer or watch coordinator...
frigging morons...
If true , CPD will finally save some money that can be passed down to patrolman .
Captain a 100 % merit political appointment , 95 % never passed a detective , sgt or lt test .
Captain rank is another gold braid pension that drains the pension.
In any mass demonstration such as what's occurring in NYC, do NOT enforce public nudity, urination, defecation or smoking marijuana violations.
Don't get indicted and prosecuted. The powers that be do NOT have your back.
Eliminate Desk sergeant and CPD now has 75 street sergeants .
Sounds good .
Now let's reduce number of Exempt
Command Staff by 25 % . That's where you save the big money.
I hope the FOP is paying attention. They're clearly disregarding the contract if they try and do this.
Where in the Hell will they get the hundreds of civilians it would take to have all civilian desk crews?
Since they'd have to hire them how is that part of Rahms cost savings? This is pure unadultered bullshit that's got virtually no chance of ever working out.
Rahm,McNutty and whatever consultants they're listening to are so far out of touch with district operations it's pathetic.
So a district will be commanded by the equivalent of a lt and patrolman? The rest will be civilians?
What could possibly go wrong with that idea?
If there's a fight in the lock up, who will break it up? The civilian detention aid? Or when I guy shows up in the lobby with a guy, does the desk just put up their hands?
This makes as much sense as the inspectors writing up the desk crew for not have pepper spray. It's an indoor environment! You'd have to evacuate the district if it was used.
Wow! And everyone bitched about Daley?
Auto theft unit used to have an (XO)executive office who was a lieutenant by rank he was the # 2 guy under the commander.
They should shove a mop up the desk officers ass and have the him/her mop the floors while doing reports,answering phones,throwing savages out,&bonding shitbags out! It's called multi-tasking
WOW. So this means Eugene Williams was demoted to fit his title of his Organization huh? So much for the reverends and his bullshit organization NOBLE (National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives)!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
No Pun intended!
Have some dignity and leave all ready Gene. "The Man" ain't gonna promote you "no mo". You done here brother. Go spend some of that "very hard earned pension" and leave this sorry ass city. Why these exempts are still here is beyond me. They are maxed out, have no chance in he'll getting promoted, have been publically ostracized and humiliated by the new Superintendent and Mayor and they're still here! WTF? Can't ya take a hint?
Contract! What contracts I am the future POTUS! We need no contracts I hide behind the shield of Democrat but only when it is good for me! Contracts for public employees and private employees are different! The small number of public employees does not get in the way of the future POTUS! It's about you the tax payer and remember me in 2016 I slayed the public unions!
Also district wide memo said no more " just go to the station and get ibond signed and get your dl back " speech some people serve on traffic stops just to make retards behind wheel feel better. 10/11/2011 12:25:00 AM
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No memo in my dist. Just verbal command at my roll call similar to this
I believe that if the city is re-writing the G.O.'s in order to change the watche personnel that once the city does that, the FOP will file an unfair labor practice.
And, if it was that easy you'd have thunk that Daley would have done this years ago.
With everything else going on with pensions, manpower etc... This goof Shields is worried about disbanding the police board??? Who voted for this clown? Signed: NOT in your union anymore...
fyi scc, no more i bonds for people who come off the street and they need their dl back for some bs reason. show me the $$$$ or no dl back. city wants the money any way possible. Also district wide memo said no more " just go to the station and get ibond signed and get your dl back " speech some people serve on traffic stops just to make retards behind wheel feel better.
10/11/2011 12:25:00 AM
OH YEAH.....that'll show them.....idiot
No promotions because the lists are coming down. Rham wants his people in place. And yes there is money that is already budgeted for exams. Dicks and Lts lists for sure. Possibly 1 more sgts class due to retirements. I was told this after the election. The department will be down to 9500 at the end of Rhams first term. More with less is the opinion from city hall.
10/11/2011 02:43:00 AM
Good thing we've got someone like you that Rham trusts keeping us updated on the blog. It had to be hard getting so close to him that you became his confidante, but we know you're doing it for us. Don't worry, we'll keep it a secret. Maybe we'll call you "Deepthroat"? Be sure to keep us updated on anything he tells you in the future. And thanks for staying up until 3am to post on the blog. That's gotta be tough for a city hall mover and shaker.
fyi scc, no more i bonds for people who come off the street and they need their dl back for some bs reason. show me the $$$$ or no dl back. city wants the money any way possible. Also district wide memo said no more " just go to the station and get ibond signed and get your dl back " speech some people serve on traffic stops just to make retards behind wheel feel better.
10/11/2011 12:25:00 AM
Who in God's name would do this?
It does not really matter ... You can blame all this shit on Daley who has been mismanaging this city forever. Now Rahm has to pay the piper for the Daley mistakes ... Did not vote for Rahm but has made some tough choices
Great. Now lieutenants will be doing Captain's work for free. And when they throw lieutenants around from one district to another, often on the other side of the city, there will be absolutely zero compensation. Any lieutenant who can retire should get out.
Large pensions for bosses won't be "outmoded" that's for sure.
How about the large collection of government jobs once held by Forest Claypol and all the individual pensions that come with them? Are those "outmoded?"
How about massive public corruption by these thieving pricks? Is that "outmoded" yet?
There mother fuckers better watch out or they may find themselves in the Bastille when it gets stormed and we bring the guillotine back.
Watch out for the fall veto session in springfield, The republicans and the Democrats are joining forces to re-write the pension codes to GREATLY diminish the benefits and how and who controls the pension boards. Rahm wants complete control to spend the funds as he see fit like Daley did! Rahm is hell bent on balencing a budget so he can run for the White House! With a track record of balencing a mess left to him by Daley crime family he could run as the next great savior!
I like the possible changes and the money that will be saved. It's about time someone is taking control and cutting the fat.
Lieutenants use to fight among each other to be the Watch Commander because of the extra money.
IIf there is no longer out-of-grade pay for more work and accountability,lieutenants will now be fighting NOT to be the Watch Coordinator or whatever they decide to
call it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT--but important:
Head of CTA Claypool is calling for the union to make concessions regarding 'outdated' work rules. Says the union has to be 'reasonable' about changing work rules.
Translated: give up a whole bunch of benefits that took you years to accumulate.Coming soon to a contract near you.
I hope FOP is ready to hunker down--we better hang on to everything for dear life. Watch the city be able to circumvent a whole lot of things that benefit us by reshuffling titles and rewriting the General Orders. No wonder I can't sleep at night!
10/11/2011 05:41:00 AM
True clayfool like rahmbo is using the media sheep to put the public against us! Now they can say the lazy cta/copper/fireman etc don't deserve anything wait until our contract!
To those that thing greg bella would of negotiated better than shields sorry I have 26+ years on and dealing with a Hitler style dictator would be tough for anyone, lets just back up our union boys and girls it is all we have!
Sounds like they want to get rid of all that kinda military lingo and all that stiffling hierarchy.
Make the cops more like other city departments. Like Streets & San! We're just bureaucrats with guns!
They oughta stop and consider that those titles mean a lot to people and to the discipline that attends a police department. Remember: people will die for a Purple Heart. Little honors mean a lot - expecially when you go taking them away.
Dumb move.
No desk sgt? LOL... they might as well have a sgt assigned to the parking lot- It will save on gas, as he will be that much closer for the ENDLESS "i need to see a whiteshirt!!" requests that meander into district lobbies all day.
When I came on this job 12 years ago, I thought I was in it for 30 easy... a few years ago, I figured I'd be lucky to make it to 20... now? 15 will be a miracle. I'm not pimping out myself for a freaking pension, assuming that we will still get a pension. Gonna take my wife and kids and get the hell out of here while housing is still cheap in the burbs. Cash in my pension, def comp, and my time due, that should go a long way towards a nice downpayment on a house!
Old is new again. They should'nt have fired the police aides. Ours did reports and radios, she was the best.
is it the one who worked days in 022? If so then I agree. She was fantastic and a nice lady.
Field Lieutenant is the dinosaur of the CPD . Lt. will be the watch coordinator at Lt's pay and unit c.o.'s . Tactical Lt. gone in 2012 budget .
The City will now take all shootings in a 24 hour period and document them under one RD number with multiple victims and locations. That will give us a steady 365 aggravated batteries per year. This plan will be expanded to other crimes in the near future. Once the crime reporting levels have reached a steady state The mayor can get rid of the trouble making and greedy Police Department and hire Andy Frain to document the lower crime rates!
If the City hires civilian workers for the offices and district desks, doesn't that mean that they will have to rehire all of the useless clout baby District Managers at $100,000 a year to supervise them?
Our new City motto - One step forward, two steps back.
I am glad I work the street. Nothing gained nothing lost.
Why are some p.o.'s from Special Events out of town on CPD dime?
wrt:
wow, you think some of these already existing desk crews are slow. wait until you put civilians behind the desk. now the wait time will double or triple. makes no sense thus it will happen.
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Man-oh-man, hey let's hire the thousands of postal employees about to get cut to due this job. Can you imagine?
Yep, it's true. Our captain told us last week about these changes. They want us to do more with less. And most of us are working our tails off doing more with less. So in the end who is to blame? Us who bust our tail or 9.5?
WRT:
OT:
During 'Ideas Week', Atlanta mayor said he told his police officers regarding pensions: "Take it (the diminished one we're offering) or leave it. Yup. Rahm will do the same thing--just watch.
The only thing I can hope for is that he wants to get rid of old-timers and comes up with some kind of deal. But the younger officers, you better get a second job, cuz you're not getting a pension.
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Be careful of the precedent that you want to set as your actions today will become what society finds acceptable for YOU tomorrow.
Meaning, if you doing financial planning for your retirement and expect to work until you're 65 then think again.
You start pushing people out of the workforce today at let's say 50 what's to stop that number dropping to 45 then 40 then 35.
Your employers risk of you filing an expensive health care claim increases after 35 so why not get those "old" people out of the workforce then. Think you can earn and save enough money for your retirement now by the age of 35? heh.
Think!
Streamlining is good if it is done properly. The truth will come out when it is exempt time. Probably cut them in half. See what happens
http://cpsgirls.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/hanson-still-undone/
They actually changed the pensions for the new hires on Jan 1, 2001 Wasnt a big change Still get 2 1/2% a year, 29 and a day to retire at 75% and at age 55 Biggest 2 changes were the last 8 years instead on the last 4 and one that wasnt bad was the retirejment age of 55 Now you have to be 25 to be hired so in order to get 75% you have to be 55
These new changes were to be financed wirth property taxes beginning I believe in 2015 for 30 years Now this law went into effect Jan 1 so why would Rzhm fuck the old timers worse than that
What Springfield passes a pension reform bill one year and chages it the next Just saying
Let me get this straight. This new position of "bonding officer" will basically be what was the desk sgt. position right? They expect this "bonding officer" to be in charge of everything at the desk, including this newly hired crop of civilians, yet there's no more out of grade pay? This officer will be taking on much more responsibilities yet his/ her pay stays the same? Hey Rahm and McNutty: blow me.
FOP is hopefully on top of this and will be quick to challenge the attempted end around on our contract.
Dont believe for a second 75 plus sgts reiring Nov 15, not a chance
The only thing I can hope for is that he wants to get rid of old-timers and comes up with some kind of deal. But the younger officers, you better get a second job, cuz you're not getting a pension.
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There WILL be a pension, of some sort. But the contribution percentage will rise or it will be a 401, or SOMETHING will happen. If a 401 is considered a pension there will always be one. It will just cost everyone more, and it will not pay as well, and you will have to work longer to get it. Just like in the civilian world.
Retired now but feeling for you all.
Anonymous said...
Each NYPD pct. has an "executive officer" (XO) who answers to the commanding officer (CO).
10/11/2011 06:50:00 AM
I don't give a shit what they do on the NYPD. It is way too late for me to have the slightest interest in some other police department.
My one and only goal now is to get my pension, intact, and live as long as I can and spend it all outside of Chicago.
Captains = clout / merit appoitment
not enough clout for Command Staff . Name the current Captains that passed both Sergeant and Lieutenant tests with a score high enough to be promoted in rank order. Maybe Garry will post a list of current captains that passed a promotional test .
Some patrolman were passed over by our current captain and command staff on old sergeants tests.
The department will be down to 9500 at the end of Rhams first term. More with less is the opinion from city hall.
Do you mean TOTAL? There are already between 9300-9400 blue shirts.
Old is new again. They should'nt have fired the police aides. Ours did reports and radios, she was the best.
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Really?
Our's was gassed and sleeping in a chair after she passed out the radios each night.
Doesnt matter what you rename them, but a lot of capt's and Lts . Leaving by years end. Lts. To fall under 200 by end if year.
How much power should be concentrated in one persons hands?
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Rahm Emanuel, Edward Burke launch crackdown on worker comp cases
Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Ald. Edward M. Burke (14th), chairman of the City Council’s Finance Committee, have agreed to work together to wring $15 million in savings out of the city’s $100-a-year million tab for workers compensation.
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Burke, who has sole authority to process and settle workers compensation claims and handpick attorneys when claims are challenged, has agreed to more aggressively investigate and manage individual cases.
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Five years ago, the Sun-Times reported that one of every five patronage workers on the “clout list” kept by then Mayor Richard M. Daley’s subsequently convicted former patronage chief filed at least one workers compensation claim against the city.
That incredibly high injury rate — which far exceeds any occupation tracked by the U.S. Labor Department — cost taxpayers more than $38 million.
At the time, Daley’s chief of staff pointed the finger of blame directly at Burke.
more >> http://www.suntimes.com/news/8142922-418/rahm-emanuel-edward-burke-launch-crackdown-on-worker-comp-cases.html
XO is not a rumor, just a matter of when it's going to happen, no need to pay Lt's out of grade then. Everything is about making jobs go away and saving money,
it's the new police department.
Racoon Eyes and his twin sister McGruff are now looking at the amount of bosses they will need for a police dept. numbering maybe around 10,000 cops. Attrition and no promotions will bring the command ranks down to where they will fit that model. Also by changing titles they can save even more money. There were about 20 something shootings this weekend? How many dead? The folks running this city now could care less. As long as no one "connected" gets shot.
wow, you think some of these already existing desk crews are slow. wait until you put civilians behind the desk. now the wait time will double or triple. makes no sense thus it will happen.
10/11/2011 02:26:00 AM
No doubt they will be patronage employees laid off by some other dept or branch of government.
Hmmmmm....let me get this straight. Upon entering the station, the only true resistance that some nutjob will encounter is one P.O. and a couple of unarmed civilians. Who comes up with this stuff???
OT--
Channel 7 film just now of the "five separate protests" that came together at the Mortgage Bankers' Association meeting.
At least between them all they managed to locate a genuine source of evil -- but jeez, people, if you want to represent yourselves as being "poor" at least leave the two black Nikon SLRs at home...
One character being held on $250,000 for ag bat to PO is from Alabama.
George Soros' Traveling Circus...
Soros once caused a 20% collapse in the value of the British pound all by himself. This is nothing.
It has been sometime since I was heavily involved in labor negotiations and law. But, as I recall, if a position is eliminated, the people holding those positions can be reassigned at will. Most companies negotiate where the people will be sent and possibly some type of financial package to ease the pain. But, don't count on that from the city. But, if the city eliminates the position and then brings it back under a different name, then you would have a grievance. Don't forget, captains made under testing were eliminated and brought back as exempt employees. The captains association caved in after they were offered a deal. Bottom line is the city can do pretty much as they please if they are willing to pay the price and the price is often very cheap. It is all about control and power and not one gold star out there is on you side, just as not one prior superintendent was on your side. If you think otherwise, you are indeed foolish. I have said many times, stop going to promotion and retirement parties for gold stars unless they buy the ticket. They are not your friends.
wow?
CHANGING THE NAMES HAS SOLVED ALL THE PROBLEMS.
\ NOW SOME HOUSE MOUSE HAS TO MAKE NEW GENERAL ORDERS TO ADDRESS ALL THE BULL SHIT.
E.T WILL BE FORENSIC SCIENTIST? YEA RIGHT I GET MORE ADVICE FROM E.T.S ON WHY SOMETHING SHOULDNT BE DONE.
THE DESK IS AN OUTDATED CONCEPT HOW ABOUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE AT THE DESK CALL 311 FOR REPORTS.
HAVE A PHONE IN EACH STATION EVERY CIVILIAN CAN USE THAT CONNECTS WITH 311.
THE DESK CAN FOCUS ON HOUSEKEEPING, RADIOS, AND WATCH COMMANDERS COFFEE.
AND CIVILIANS IN LOCK UP?
LOCK UP KEEPERS ACT LIKE THEY ARE CIVILIANS SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
AND FOR U SCHOLARS RIGHTING TICKETS TO KEEP UR SPOTS LETS C THE COMMANDER TAKE CARE OF U WHEN THE CLOUTED FROM OTHER DISTRICTS ARRIVE.
"wow, you think some of these already existing desk crews are slow. wait until you put civilians behind the desk. now the wait time will double or triple. makes no sense thus it will happen."
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...and here come the TMAs right back into new city jobs -- people who hate the police as much as everybody else hates them. It'll make for a great atmosphere.
Looks like the desk people along with the other house mouses will have to start being nice to us working officers. HA HA you are one of us now. There is no going back to your easy assignment so don't look back and complain about how unfair things are because you have to carry out the duties that us beat officers were doing for several years. We don't want to hear it!!
The only thing I can hope for is that he wants to get rid of old-timers and comes up with some kind of deal. But the younger officers, you better get a second job, cuz you're not getting a pension.
10/11/2011 05:52:00 AM
ummm, if us "young officers" are no longer going to get a pension, then who do you think will be paying into the existing pensions, gramps? Sorry, but if this ship sinks, it's going down with ALL of us! Im just happy I am young enough to go back to school so I can leave this dump of a department!!! I weep for you guys and gals who are stuck here...hope you can make it on social security! oh yeah, we dont get that either!
All of the above about management changes true, redefining job responsibilities to get around the contracts and save money...
The last I heard it was effective 01 Dec 11.
P.S. Maybe someone with expertise in labor law can say if there is a basis for a grievance (ie. the city has been paying out of grade for nearly a century, can they unilaterally take it away by re-defining job responsibilities)? I dont know...
All civilians hired will be just more patronage for the politicians to dole out. They have very little accountability to anyone and won't be fired unless they are caught eating a dead baby at their desk. And that ghoul would only be let go because he/she didn't share the meal with the other civilians. Each district still has a district "coordinator" reporting to the district commander. Pay is up in the $90,000 range. For what? This bullshit will never end.
Everyone keeps thinking money, and many are by passing SAFETY. Remember that "bad guys" do walk into police stations and civilians are NOT armed. I remember not many years back, when a "high risk" person walked into a northside district. He pulled a huge knife, and was heading for the desk. Offender was shot, and no one else injured. It was an o.k. day, but how can civilians defend themselves or anyone if they are not armed? Be careful what you wish for, and what are the reason (s) behind your wishes.
We've done so much with so little for so long we can now do everything with nothing.
If true , CPD will finally save some money that can be passed down to patrolman .
10/11/2011 08:23:00 AM
Yeah.....they'll be passing money down to you. Keep smokin dat caine!
Anonymous said...
Sounds like they want to get rid of all that kinda military lingo and all that stiffling hierarchy.
Make the cops more like other city departments. Like Streets & San! We're just bureaucrats with guns!
They oughta stop and consider that those titles mean a lot to people and to the discipline that attends a police department. Remember: people will die for a Purple Heart. Little honors mean a lot - expecially when you go taking them away.
Dumb move.
10/11/2011 11:12:00 AM
YOU ARE A GOOF!! You seriously think that soldiers "will die for a purple heart?" Or that a purple heart is a 'little honor?"?? Hey, assbag, a purple heart is AWARDED to a soldier who is seriously injured or dies... no solider says yeah, I think I'll go to war...gee, I hope I get riddled with bullets so I can get an award! My grandpa has 2 purples, and won't tell us what happened to this day because he is still traumatized. I should ask him "hey, gramps, did you go fight hitler for a purple heart? I bet that motivated you to fight extra hard, huh"... I can guarantee there will be one less blogger visiting this site, because it will take him all of 2 seconds to cut me into pieces... Good God. I bet that 1. you are a boss. 2. you are a merit hack and 3. you look at those stupid ribbons as having ANY validity to being a quality policeman. You can get a ribbon for outstanding work, absolutely. Or for showing up to work. Or for working during an election LOL.... Ribbons don't motivate policemen. Policemen are motivated by the calling to do some good in the community. Go back under your desk in HQ, finish your mad libs, and wait until your uncle joey makes the next phone call for you....
I'd GLADLY be a bonding officer, just like in new york. Of course, I'd be commuting from my house in the burbs, JUST LIKE IN NEW YORK. You wanna change the rules, fine. Just don't expect me to comply with this most arcane, asinine policy- you tell me where I have to live because I cannot be trusted to get to work on time in an emergency. LOL. blow me.
Anonymous said...
Looks like the desk people along with the other house mouses will have to start being nice to us working officers. HA HA you are one of us now. There is no going back to your easy assignment so don't look back and complain about how unfair things are because you have to carry out the duties that us beat officers were doing for several years. We don't want to hear it!!
10/11/2011 05:05:00 PM
Um, working the desk is AWFUL.
So if any kind of disturbance comes in the station and it's just a "bonding officer" and a couple of civilians then the "bonding officer" will have to call a car in. How does any of this make sense even to twisted minds like Rahm's and McNutty's?
This whole thing would be subject to a grievance and unfair labor practice. If Rahm wants to civilianize a police station then he needs to follow the proper channels and negotiate that into the next contract.
Is it time to go to the mattresses?
reduce the number of aldermen.
here a plan get rid of about 90 percent of the politician across the state and we will be fine. starting with the worthless aldermen..
Its all BS Commanders will still have their "inside people" hiding in their office or second floor offices and continue to carry them on the A & A sheets on some made up car, walking post, special assignment, etc
Have to say, we've gotten what we bitched about all this time. Go on and keep bitching, in the end we'll see how shortsighted we were.
If true , CPD will finally save some money that can be passed down to patrolman .
Captain a 100 % merit political appointment , 95 % never passed a detective , sgt or lt test .
Captain rank is another gold braid pension that drains the pension.
10/11/2011 08:23:00 AM
What are you smoking? Any money saved WILL NOT be passed down to the patrolmen, nor to our pensions. WE will be forced to pay the shortfall through increased contributions and reduced pensions. Do you not understand that all the opportunities the city has to contribute to our pension have been ignored. You need to wake up. The CPD is on the chopping block and will remain so for quite some time. Get used to it or fight it.
Large pensions for bosses won't be "outmoded" that's for sure.
How about the large collection of government jobs once held by Forest Claypol and all the individual pensions that come with them? Are those "outmoded?"
How about massive public corruption by these thieving pricks? Is that "outmoded" yet?
There mother fuckers better watch out or they may find themselves in the Bastille when it gets stormed and we bring the guillotine back.
10/11/2011 10:20:00 AM
These are the types of posts we need to be making instead of dump this one, eliminate that one, take this away from this or that person. We are participating in the destruction of this dept as well. Can't blame it all on the mayor or supts.
We used that xo crap is state police a few years ago. No one understood it there.
Smoke and mirrors to hide the problems. And what makes NYPD such leaders in policing? No disrespect to NYPD officers but are they that far ahead of everyone in their ideas? Compstat I was never that impressed with either......still need bodies on street to answer the 911 calls. Crime exists and will never end........cavemen stole from each other. Pirates too. Wild west had crime. Hey-we do too!!!!
the 2nd great chicago fire is coming in may 2012...
When I came on this job 12 years ago, I thought I was in it for 30 easy... a few years ago, I figured I'd be lucky to make it to 20... now? 15 will be a miracle. I'm not pimping out myself for a freaking pension, assuming that we will still get a pension. Gonna take my wife and kids and get the hell out of here while housing is still cheap in the burbs. Cash in my pension, def comp, and my time due, that should go a long way towards a nice downpayment on a house!
10/11/2011 11:26:00 AM
McDonald's is hiring. You can find one almost anywhere.
Really no desk officers??? Come on. Its bad enough that Chicago police are horrible in providing customer service to their citizens now the Mayor wants to cut back on desk officers. How about re-training officers to be more effective at the desk and give the citizens of chicago, that pay their salary, better service and protection? Stop raising our taxes its hurting the middle class and the poor, its not hurting you (Mayor)
Yep, it's true. Our captain told us last week about these changes. They want us to do more with less. And most of us are working our tails off doing more with less. So in the end who is to blame? Us who bust our tail or 9.5?
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Oh please, working our tails off? 25 plus and only broke a sweat during foot chases. Every work in a factory kid, or work in construction? You probably came right out of college on this job and now actually think you work hard..
RE:10:37PM,
You are not a 'customer'. You are either a complainant or a victim. We don't have periodic sales where we give you two reports for the price of one. When you voted for these 'Progressive' candidates who vilified the Police so as to make them a buffer between them and the citizenry, you got the emasculated police force you wanted. Go fuck yourself!
You wanted a mayor there you go. You want Emanuel you got Emanuel.
To: 10/11/2011 06:04:00 PM
I agree with most of what you wrote, except if you look at that goofs posting it is much more likely he isn't and will never be a boss of any kind.
Or when I guy shows up in the lobby with a guy, does the desk just put up their hands?
Only if it happens in 023.
believe that if the city is re-writing the G.O.'s in order to change the watche personnel that once the city does that, the FOP will file an unfair labor practice.
And, if it was that easy you'd have thunk that Daley would have done this years ago.
You mean Mayor Mumbles? That's giving WAY too much credit.
They expect this "bonding officer" to be in charge of everything at the desk, including this newly hired crop of civilians, yet there's no more out of grade pay? This officer will be taking on much more responsibilities yet his/ her pay stays the same?
Sad to say, there will be P.O.s lining up to take this position. Most likely it will be the ones that just got dumped out of the front office.
Really no desk officers??? Come on. Its bad enough that Chicago police are horrible in providing customer service to their citizens now the Mayor wants to cut back on desk officers. How about re-training officers to be more effective at the desk and give the citizens of chicago, that pay their salary, better service and protection? Stop raising our taxes its hurting the middle class and the poor, its not hurting you (Mayor)
How about retraining citizens, giving them common sense? How about asking citizens to fix their own god damn problems that don't require police service. Stop calling the police because your kid won't go to sleep, your kid talked back to you, your neighbor won't pick up their dog shit, your microwave popcorn didn't pop completely and you want a report, your nails weren't did right, your sister took the last piece of chicken, your best friend's uncle's brother called you a bitch. Stop coming to us for all this bullshit and handle a stupid, fucking problem on your own.
Heard a Commander of a unit is being investigated by the BGA. Heard its a female Commander
Really no desk officers??? Come on. Its bad enough that Chicago police are horrible in providing customer service to their citizens now the Mayor wants to cut back on desk officers. How about re-training officers to be more effective at the desk and give the citizens of chicago, that pay their salary, better service and protection? Stop raising our taxes its hurting the middle class and the poor, its not hurting you (Mayor)
10/11/2011 10:37:00 PM
Why don't you just go away. 1st of all, don't come into my desk thinking you know all the law, cause you don't; neither do I thanks, but after 21 years I do know a little. If you come in with some real problem I'll be glad to help. First thing you need to do is figure out the difference between civil and criminal law.
Next thing is, don't think raising taxes hurts the poor, 1 I've never heard of LINK benefits being cut by 10% and why don't you look up "earned income credit" to see that they actually get a refund for money 'unearned'
""The tax credit can even generate a tax refund larger than the amount of tax paid in through withholding""
You need a wake up 'pimp slap' but I'd be next to Cozzi, thanks.....
Great. Now lieutenants will be doing Captain's work for free. And when they throw lieutenants around from one district to another, often on the other side of the city, there will be absolutely zero compensation. Any lieutenant who can retire should get out.
10/11/2011 10:17:00 AM
Screw them. Near all of them are not worth a shit. And the slash lieutenants, captains and exempts are the fucking worst. Only one lieutenant worth her pay and she is in 012. The rest aren't worth the blasting caps to pop them out of their chairs. All are drunks or nut cases or anger-challenged goofs with their own agendas and without a care for the good of the organization or the troops.
I hope the LT in 12 you are referring to is LT DI and not the other clueless house mouse that is the WC on 2nd watch. Worked in personnel for years and hasnt got a clue how to work the street.
Is it time to go to the mattresses?
10/11/2011 06:21:00 PM
Steve, is that you? Did Chris break your mattress again?
I cant wait to read about the civilian desk crew getting robbed for the bond money. I wonder if the FBI would investigate it, you know like a bank.
10/11/2011 05:41:00 AM
Did you even look at what CTA wants to do away with?
Fifteen minutes of paid “coffee time” before the start of each shift. Twenty-minute paid bathroom breaks for customer assistants with easy access to washrooms.
Paid holidays for birthdays and work anniversaries that guarantee bus drivers and motorman who chose to work on those days 2.5 times their normal hourly wage.
Paying workers convicted of drunk driving to do nothing for 180 days while they appeal and attempt to get their driving privileges back.
Starting the clock on emergency overtime when employees get the phone call at home instead of when they arrive at work.
"Screw them. Near all of them are not worth a shit. And the slash lieutenants, captains and exempts are the fucking worst. Only one lieutenant worth her pay and she is in 012. The rest aren't worth the blasting caps to pop them out of their chairs. All are drunks or nut cases or anger-challenged goofs with their own agendas and without a care for the good of the organization or the troops.
10/12/2011 12:45:00 PM"
thanks for your opinions....in America, all (of us) have a right to express our views...
I hope the LT in 12 you are referring to is LT DI and not the other clueless house mouse that is the WC on 2nd watch. Worked in personnel for years and hasnt got a clue how to work the street.
10/12/2011 04:50:00 PM
Amen to that! 3rd watch Lt. is great.
I hope the LT in 12 you are referring to is LT DI and not the other clueless house mouse that is the WC on 2nd watch. Worked in personnel for years and hasnt got a clue how to work the street.
10/12/2011 04:50:00 PM
Of course I was referring to the DI. I'd hate to lose her, but she belongs up there instead of Cuello, Kirby, Skahill, Ladner and the rest of them. Good people, good heart and smart, both book and street. Nuff said.
thanks for your opinions....in America, all (of us) have a right to express our views...
10/12/2011 10:24:00 PM
Thanks Lieutenant or Captain or Exempt Member.
True, it is an opinion, but it is also the truth. Screw the whole bad bunch, but one.
Be careful what you wish for in 12. The LT gets promoted and she will take the best most knowledgable down to earth Sgt with her. Sgt MB would go and leave us with the rest that can't make a decision and never back the PO. We would lose two of the best...leaving us out in the cold like before.
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