McCarthy v FOP President
While it was no "Thrilla in Manila," we'll call it "The Hubbub at the City Club:"
- Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy and the head of the police union got into a verbal shootout Monday over whether there’s a shortage of officers.
McCarthy spoke to the City Club of Chicago before taking questions from the audience and got a tough one from [the] president of the Fraternal Order of Police.
[He] asked how McCarthy could expect to fight crime proactively when there is a shortage of 2,300 officers. Then he asked: “Can you admit the Chicago Police Department has a manpower problem?”
“The answer is no, I can’t do that because I don’t believe it,” McCarthy responded. “Sorry, [dude]. I didn’t want to have these conversations in public.”
And the body shot:
- McCarthy said he is not looking to expand the department’s payroll any time soon.
“Quite frankly, I don’t think it’s a fair thing to do to the taxpayers at this point,” he said to rousing applause. Then he fired a shot at [...] the FOP president: “[Dude], why aren’t you clapping?”
Someone is rallying support for a contentious contract negotiation, and for whatever reason, the FOP president is attacking the political appointee, a guy who can't remove half-assed commanders from their spots, a guy with as many self-control issues as a tweaking meth addict.
The focus should be on the guy pulling McCarthy's strings, not McCarthy. He got in a good shot and it's going to leave a mark. Rahm is controlling the debate already and that's not a good thing.
The focus should be on the guy pulling McCarthy's strings, not McCarthy. He got in a good shot and it's going to leave a mark. Rahm is controlling the debate already and that's not a good thing.
Labels: department issues, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
134 Comments:
This just shows how out of his league mikey is. He asked a legit question but had no comeback after jerysey shore shut him down. God help us at contract time.
shields looked like a fool.got his nuts handed to him.and from the sound of the applause you can see who's side the taxpayers are on.
Too bad Greg Bella was not our Prez!
I supported Shields when he was running but after this ridiculous mistake in conjunction with how quiet he's been, I'm beginning to doubt. Why has he been so quiet? What happened to the rabble rouser from the pension board? Is Howard Labcon (personal friend and campaign contributor of tiny dancer 9.5 and owner of General Iron where Mike is in charge of security) telling Mike what to do? I don't care what state the economy is in, so far Mike Shields has done absolutely nothing different than Donahue and company and if him and his team don't rock the shit out of these upcoming contract negotiations and step up their overall presence, he needs to be booted. And will someone tell me how the membership is benefitting form the hiring of Pat Camden? Dare I say Donahue seems to be the only one earning his pay.
Someone save us from Shields, this is a train without wheels or track!
Why he thought he was going to win a verbal duke 'em out with the supt in public is beyond me. He just ended up looking like an inexperienced kid.
SCC,
On behalf of myself and my constituency I object to your comparison of us to Superintendent McCarthy.
"a guy with as many self-control issues as a tweaking meth addict."
That was just wrong.
now i know the cpd employs some real jackasses as bosses but I cant think of one department small or big that has a leader that is completly against what his troops want and think. Think about it, he is our boss, our leader and is completly against us on almost every issue. Does he realize that when he bashes the fop and tries to throw shots at the fop rallying the public against them he is actually rallying them against us?? The only thing he has done since day one is tow the mayors agenda. I cant remember one boss who has done that... Not even Weis. Even he admitted to a point that manpower was at least an issue... he would play it down by saying something like, "our people are looking into it etc" but this guy is playing 100 percent politician instead of boss of 10000 officers. He is a cocky motherf*cker against us. WTF! I really cant believe it at all. can we have a no confidence vote yet?? It wouldnt be his first no confidence vote. Hopefully his domestic problems and his drunken off duty run ins with the police that he has had here while in chicago will get him into trouble.... But i know the media has been told not to report that stuff though. if a patrolman did the stuff he has done since he has been here in chicago then they could have been arrested about 4 or 5 times... i leave it at that
Maybe Danny Shields can recount to all of us how the 14th District Commander asked for Motley Crue tickets with a lollipop???
On a previous post Anonymous copied my post and then replied....
"Luckily for me the U of C is offering me a job making 50k+ per year starting immediately after I retire."
Lucky for you to have a "golden dildo" retirement plan in place. Congrats.
12/05/2011 09:47:00 AM
You obviously have inserted the golden dildo far too deep and it has bruised your pea size brain. You see jackass, that was sarcasm because Mayor Daley was given a job by the University of Chicago making big $$ just a week or two after he retired. In fact, the offer to the mayor occurred and was announced before he even retired. If you had a clue I would have been upset by your comment however it was probably the first time you tried to comprehend something above the grade level of a Curious George book. Next tome have an adult read to you and explain it to you so you do not embarrass yourself.
First of all, why is this guy calling everyone "dude?" Shouldn't that be relegated to informal conversations among people you call friends? How about some respect for the president of the FOP? Not that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but doesn't McBeerballs at least owe an ounce of respect to a colleague?
Secondly, what's with McBeerballs being more of a politician who is worried about the "taxpayers" rather than worry about the welfare of his OWN TROOPS? This guy needs to pack up his duffle bag and hop on the next plane back to the Jersey Shore. The "dude" is a joke. Morale couldn't be more in the toilet than it is now. Just look at any area 2 district that he dumped all those units into. Everyone from the dump-ees down to the new kids who got sent packing to midnights. The guys/gals who got dumped there may or may not have a long commute and nowhere to bid to that's closer, and the 5 yr and under crowd got bumped off of their 3rd watch spots to do the graveyard shift...again for a lot of them who did it and finally made it on a bid to third watch.
Prepare to here that line over and over again "it would not be fair to the taxpayers" as they cut the pensions.
It's a nice little diversion that allows one to play the victim isn't it?
I know it's not under GMAC's area of responsibilities however where is all this concern about fairness to the taxpayers when it comes to handing out corporate tax breaks?
Funny how all these corporations can't make any money and stay in business unless they have more tax breaks -- HOWEVER, there is plenty of money for $35,000 dollar dinners for political fundraisers and the politicians can travel to New York. Iowa, California..where ever as the city burns and the blood flows in the streets.
Concerns for the taxpayers my ass. How many millions are you expecting to collect on your speed trap camera's and how do the taxpayers feel about that?!
“Quite frankly, I don’t think it’s a fair thing to do to the taxpayers at this point,” he said to rousing applause
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The taxpayers *I* know don't get to hangout at the City Club.... The ones *I* know want more police, especially on bt 1613 were we had **6** burglaries on THANKSGIVING !!!!
...and that arrogant rookie won't even admit that doing that stupid stunt was a mistake of large proportion.
Dumb dumb dumb.
Anyone who ever had to negotiate anything should know that the worst thing you fan do is try and flex balls that you don't possess.
What's next? Perhaps Firmament can tell McCarthy how great he was in the d unit. That'd be a lie too.
Maybe dimaria can offer McCarthy something for free at the uniform resale.
Mike, you fucked up....admit it. Show the membership you're not totally into yourself.
...and get a speech coach, this timid, deer in the headlights routine you got going on the news is weakening us even more.
Shields is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I congratulate the guy for taking the opportunity to bring the manpower shortage and the saftey issues to light. McGOOF responded he didn't want to do it [reply to the union about manpower issues] in public. You are fucking right he didn't, but Shields put it to him! Shields did what he could, when he could. The kid has some balls. I am proud of him.
"Here's the pitch from shields."
CRACK.......McCarthy hits it , back back back back, its outta here!!!!!
Nice pitch mike, and the whole city heard it.
You're like FOP's obama. All talk and then nothing but bull shit and cue cards
All police supts are puppets. The mayor has all the power. Any boss whothinks he has a say in what goes will be gone very very soon.
“[Dude], why aren’t you clapping?”
maybe because i give a shit about officer safety?
Based on McCarthy's statement I did some numbers crunching and here's what I come up with: Based on stats readily available in print everywhere, New York City has roughly 8,175,133 citizens. Furthermore their uniform strength is 35,100. In comparison, Chicago has 2,700,00 citizens and an allotted manpower strength of 13,500. Take into consideration the manpower shortage as stated by the F.O.P. president which was stated as 2,300. Therefore, CPD has an actual manpower strength of 11,200. Now when you look at these numbers CPD is app. 1/3 the size in both demographics and manpower strength yet when you do the math it equates as follows: Based on numbers alone if New York were Chicago and a 1/3 of it's size it's staffing number would be 11,583. Yet Chicago's actual number is 11,200 (just rounding off the numbers). Guess what Garry, you're still short anyway you try to skew the numbers. 383 more police officers on the street Garry. Plus NYPD has approximately 4,500 Auxiliary Police Officers, 5,000 School Safety Agents, 2,300 Traffic Enforcement Agents, and 370 Traffic Enforcement Supervisors currently employed by the department. Chicago in comparison has a lowly 1,925 non sworn employees. No where near the 1/3 ratio equating into NYPD having a much better support staff. So either NYPD's staffing numbers are skewed(which you'll never admit),CPD is tremendously understaffed (which you repeatedly deny) or flat out someones on the bullshit. Either way, citizens are not idiots. Figures don't lie yet liars figure......
“Quite frankly, I don’t think it’s a fair thing to do to the taxpayers at this point,” he said to rousing applause.
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It's always a safe bet to say the taxpayers can't afford it, but facts are hard to deny, we ain't got the help to do the job anymore.
McWipe didn't want to have "these conversations in public" because as Rahm's surrogate nutsack he doesn't have ANY bullshit studies to back up his assertion that manpower levels are fine as they are. Keep handing out crime reduction ribbons like Phat Phil and J-Fled.
Is McWipe really convinced 6800 CPD officers are ready for 40,000+ G8 protesters? How can this tool think a burning Michigan Avenue gets him back as head of the NYPD?
Based on McCarthy's statement I did some numbers crunching and here's what I come up with: Based on stats readily available in print everywhere, New York City has roughly 8,175,133 citizens. Furthermore their uniform strength is 35,100......
Good Post but you left out something huge:
They only take 60% of the calls that are generated....we take nearly everyone.
shields is useless thats why. i hope all you fools who thought he was just so awesome will wise up and vote him out. shields doesnt have ac lue what he is doing out there, you have to have a few more ideas other than the talking points on pension and undermanned, you have to have solutions for that as well not just spout off that bs anytime.
Based on McCarthy's statement I did some numbers crunching and here's what I come up with: Based on stats readily available in print everywhere, New York City has roughly 8,175,133 citizens. Furthermore their uniform strength is 35,100. In comparison, Chicago has 2,700,00 citizens and an allotted manpower strength of 13,500. Take into consideration the manpower shortage as stated by the F.O.P. president which was stated as 2,300. Therefore, CPD has an actual manpower strength of 11,200. Now when you look at these numbers CPD is app. 1/3 the size in both demographics and manpower strength yet when you do the math it equates as follows: Based on numbers alone if New York were Chicago and a 1/3 of it's size it's staffing number would be 11,583. Yet Chicago's actual number is 11,200 (just roun
I supported Shields when he was running but after this ridiculous mistake in conjunction with how quiet he's been, I'm beginning to doubt. Why has he been so quiet? What happened to the rabble rouser from the pension board?
The rabble rousing only exists when its on mikeys terms. If he's initiating and blind siding someone, he's fine until they have a rebuttal. Then he curls up and turns into a child.
Case in point McCarthy this time. Not to mention every time he gets confronted about anything.
I told people that voting for a child is a vote against themselves. Whatever...
And the camden hiring; I agree its pointless
Based on McCarthy's statement I did some numbers crunching and here's what I come up with: Based on stats readily available in print everywhere, New York City has roughly 8,175,133 citizens. Furthermore their uniform strength is 35,100. In comparison, Chicago has 2,700,00 citizens and an allotted manpower strength of 13,500. Take into consideration the manpower shortage as stated by the F.O.P. president which was stated as 2,300. Therefore, CPD has an actual manpower strength of 11,200. Now when you look at these numbers CPD is app. 1/3 the size in both demographics and manpower strength yet when you do the math it equates as follows: Based on numbers alone if New York were Chicago and a 1/3 of it's size it's staffing number would be 11,583. Yet Chicago's actual number is 11,200
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we are cutting more like 9,000 checks if that. No where near 11,000
Since the union began, no other FOP president has ever challenged a superintendent or mayor. Every past FOP president has kissed butt and shut up and played the game = and could care less about us union members.
I give Shields credit for getting out there and speaking up. Shields has done more for the union members than any other past FOP president. Thanks Mike - keep it up. The supt made himself look like a fool once again.
The best thing to do is keep on getting these numbers out in front of the public before the G8 follies. "We are undermaned, we need more man power, the numbers the city is stating are false." When everything falls apart the public will know whom to look. We did the best we could with the manpower we had, the mayor would not hire anymore officers.
McGoof is powerless! The fight should go right at Da Rah. He will get the hint that we are short on man power and very low in morale when his police department has no bodies or will left to fight. Who will protect Napolean then?
McGoof is powerless! The fight should go right at Da Rah. He will get the hint that we are short on man power and very low in morale when his police department has no bodies or will left to fight. Who will protect Napolean then?
Better if Bella were elected? No way. Stay tuned.
Shields might be wrong. Chicago's population has dropped to the level in 1910 - do we have more police officers than the force in 1910?
Just I support reducing Aldermen (if the city lost 200,000 residents in the last census - then we should eliminate 1 or 2 aldermen based on these numbers alone), if the population drops, then the number of police officers should drop as well.
Having a fix number is the way government wastes our tax dollars. How many of you received your property taxes bill (or increase in your escrow account)? What for?
McBalls Rules!!!
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Do I hear "Taps" in the background? Oh yeah, it's Dec. 7th.
How come no mention of McFukNutz getting into a heated verbal arguement at the OCD Xmas party with a PO? They were jaw jacking about who was tougher Rugby or Football players.
You can't just say we need more cops. What FOP should do is find some one who's an expert in Stats and attack the city/McTool there. We ALL know crime is not down and that they are using Stats to shape their perception. Have an expert look into their stats. Second pull records on back logs, RAPs etc. Measure times for service calls. We have to attack them by pulling the rug out from their fuzzy math and showing tge citizens that less cops = less safe communities, and that these two guys are full of s***.
Anonymous said...
... and from the sound of the applause you can see who's side the taxpayers are on.
12/07/2011 12:17:00 AM
What, are you frickin STUPID?
You're trying to say that the FOP prez has turned the taxpayers against the police?
You must have been born yesterday, because I haven't seen much taxpayer support for the police since before Daley became mayor... before he started demonizing us every chance he got.
This is just a typical, anti-union, anti-Shields comment that I have grown so tired of on this blog. If the voting officers wanted someone other than Mike Shields as prez, there quite simply would BE someone else there, so STFU and quit crying about how you lost your nice little union gig... NOBODY WANTED YOU THERE!
I hope the taxpayers are ready to wait 2 hours for that report after they had someone stick a gun in their face and take all their goodies--- I hope the taxpayer likes sitting in his wrecked inoperable auto after a crash in 30 below weather waiting 4 hours for a paper car to shake loose from the backlog to give him a report--- the same ones screaming about downsizing the police department will be the same ones bitching that they never see a police car come down their street--- if you want to treat the police like they are the garbage pick up people, that's what you will get, garbage....
What did he mean by he's not expanding our payroll? That he's not hiring new police or that he's not giving us a raise?
I didn't vote for Mike but I give him credit for bringing up the problem with McGoof
HEY MIKE...you got served...but I must admit..YOU GOT BALLS...most of the malcontent complainers on this blog would have NEVER picked a fight with the Supt...he is one tough s.o.b....you may have looked a little foolish....but you are just beginning to realize that this guy from "da bronx"...has to be handled "BELLA" style...better break out your sharkskin suit and watch some episodes of jersey shore.....
As much as I agree with the fact we are short staffed, I know that the general public does not wish to hear it. Everyone knows the department is not going to hire until the public cries out that crime is going through the roof. We can cry and whine about it but taxpayers are strapped. I hate to say it but I'm sure it will show next May. Shields will just have to wait for the right time, now is not it.
We aren't stupid... the FOP will get us a new 4 year contract with a ZERO percent raise.
GED contract negotiators is what we have...yes we mean high school GED
You people are crying that the FOP President (Shields) doesn't "get out there enough". Everyday I open the paper and see him bring something to the table for you cops. You cops are your own enemy.
I personally want more police in my neighborhood and Aldermen are no help. At least someone had the guts to question McCarthy in his own forum. I am in a Union and we don't even know who our Board is. I will say it again, you cops are your own enemy. -Not a cop.
I think it's just absolutely amazing how they can say we have no manpower shortage over and over and the media and public buys it. The manpower shortage is all we talk about at work. It's a constant topic and the brass are the ones reminding us how short we are over and over. They are always asking us to do more to cover the shortage. Every single police officer from patrolman to chiefs all talk about it no matter where you go in the city. It's as obvious as the sunrise.
All the media has to do is compare how many officers left the job to how many were hired over the last 8 years.
Here's is what Mike's response should have sounded like:
"Yes, I DO have a response for you. Thank you for asking. Mr. Superintendent, you wouldn't want to do that to the taxpayers? Then why are YOU the highest-paid City employee?? You get paid even more than our mayor! Speaking of the mayor, he certainly doesn't mind having the taxpayers suffer the burden of giving his staff a raise!!"
Sorry, Mikey, but you are just a child. You, as the FOP president, need to be able to think on your feet, and you can't.
So the Sup.panders to tax payers.These are the same people that voted for Daley repeatedly. We will NEVER get thier support for hiring more police until they become victims and have to wait an hour for help. The clowns clap as this whore makes more then the Mayors listed salary.
The fact that he engages in childish banter is the scary thing. It seems to be his MO. He thinks he's Leroy Brown.
Cant wait for G8! Burn baby burn....Hope I get called for the front lines with my gas mask so I can laugh my ass off...we arent getting a raise anyway so enjoy the show....I hope the anarchists blow this place up!
Shields is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I congratulate the guy for taking the opportunity to bring the manpower shortage and the saftey issues to light. McGOOF responded he didn't want to do it [reply to the union about manpower issues] in public. You are fucking right he didn't, but Shields put it to him! Shields did what he could, when he could. The kid has some balls. I am proud of him.
I agree. You are wrong on this one SCC. Shields should continue to talk about manpower. Because when things go south here at G8 what will Mac Daddy say then. Certainly our fight is with Rahm, but our "Boss" is not on the same page as the rest of the department including the exempts.
Too bad Greg Bella was not our Prez!
12/07/2011 12:21:00 AM
Oh stop it. Bella and the old guard would sell us out to Rahm in .001 seconds flat!
Anonymous said:I supported Shields when he was running but after this ridiculous mistake in conjunction with how quiet he's been, I'm beginning to doubt. Why has he been so quiet? What happened to the rabble rouser from the pension board? Is Howard Labcon (personal friend and campaign contributor of tiny dancer 9.5 and owner of General Iron where Mike is in charge of security) telling Mike what to do?
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Hold on here a minute! Do you mean to tell me that in addition to being on the Pension Board and the President of FOP, Shields also runs security for some private company? Wow, talk about sprading yourself too thin. It is things like this that make me glad that I was not a member of FOP for many years before I retired.
McPuppet, G8 will make you famous...Rahm will keep you that long just in case it blows up in his face...so he can put it all on you...thanks for playing McPuppet.
Here is a question for anyone involved in the discussions of Unit closings.....
What the fuck is going on?????
New Years is 3 weeks away and everyone is STILL left guessing.
Please don't reply with "Nothing is definate yet" We have been hearing that for the last couple of months. Something HAS to fucking be definate by now.
Is it still going to happen on 01-JAN-2012 at 00:00 Hours???
Is it going to happen on change day??
Is it going to happen after G8?
IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN AT FUCKING ALL?????
Some of us are northwest siders who will probably be going to 620, I know I will be because of seniority.
I would like to know so I can plan for child care, travel times, etc.
I posted this only for those directly in the know to reply, not for those who have a friend at 35th Street, or had their Commander's give them info, or any other 2nd, 3rd or 4th person's rumors.
Someone, anyone, let us know.
I want to know who EXACTLY was cheering for LESS police on the street at this "club". Maybe the city can agree to reduce THIER police coverage. I for one want to be sure I can get home safely. Are those people total idiots, or do they all own ivory towers they can hide in?
Too bad Greg Bella was not our Prez!
12/07/2011 12:21:00 AM
Amen, old age and treachery wins every time. Um, except during the last FOP election, I suppose...
https://www.cityclub-chicago.org/default_home.asp
I know the crybabies that lost the election won't ever give Shields a moments rest. But for the rest of us, let us not fight ourselves. Take a look at the home page of the City Club's site. Look at the pictures. They are not pro-police. I like the one of Daley laughing his balls off.
One thing I have never seen is the basis for the 13500 police force. Where did that number come from? (I realize there are some budget tricks in that number which is a whole topic on its own) What studies were done to say that is the "best" number and when were those studies done with what validation. Cities change and crime changes over time. That magic number should change but the real question is to what. What is the right mix patrol to detective to specialized units to geography? What is the appropriate level of supervision? How much do you want to pay for police services?
And McGOOF calling the FOP President "dude" in response to a respectful, forthright question when questions were invited, is very disrespectful.
Mike Shields is a smart guy. He remained respectful while giving McGOOF the opportunity to show the world he's a mean-tempered little thug and McGOOF took the bait. Congratulations Mike. Go back to the Joy-zee shore McGOOF!
In response to the query, ..."why aren't you clapping?" a simple retort could have been, "Sorry, but I can't applaud placing our city's taxpayers and first-responders in a position that would risk their lives.
o/t: anyone see this article in Forbes?
http://news.yahoo.com/illinois-state-embarrassment-174008631.html?bouchon=602,il
Mike great job, your smart enough to know and realize that calling this clown of a supt out in public is the best way to not only get your point, and the members point on to record but also to watch him step on his own dick. You give a guy enough rope, and yes he will hang himself. Its true, think about it. Keep the presure on and the questions comming, this guy has no idea. He thinks new york is the toughest city with all the fast people, he is wrong Chicago is were capone stayed for a reason, screw this east coast sissy with his prison pu&$y face and appitate for the ladies in 80/20s we will win, we must. Chicago is our home, our history, our pride this outsider should keep his bag half packed and his dick in his pants. Good luck Mike and there are a lot more of us behind you and supporting you then you know. Stay safe brother.
There are some gems hidden in an IG's report on questions by alderman to GMAC that was published in a local paper in 019. Based on his questions, I'd say Tunney had a CPD member's input in writing his questions.
He knew to ask how many uniform allowance checks were cut and then how many officers are actually working the streets: 12,365 sworn officers received their uniform allowance check but only 7,047 officers were actually assigned to the streets. So where are the other 5,318?
He also asks about response times, backlogs, the last time promotional exams were given, promotions off those lists and how many officers have gone through the academy.
Roscoe View Journal
IG Report Reveals Ald. Tunney’s Barrage of Questions For Police
Tuesday, December 6, 2011
By Mike Fourcher
During city budget hearings Alderman often submit lists of sharp questions to city departments. As department heads angle for funds for their programs, it is the best time for city legislators to get details on how the city is working.
Normally those questions and their answers are not made available to the public, but this year the Chicago Inspector General requested copies of those written questions and answers and released them to the public on Monday.
Questions came from 18 different Alderman, but Ald. Tom Tunney (44th) asked the most, with 17 questions to Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy. [A copy of the IG's report can be found at the bottom of this article.] Among the responses to Tunney and other aldermen:
•The merged 23rd and 19th district will have 476 officers.
•The average response time in 2010 for a domestic disturbance or burglary in progress was 6.2 minutes.
•In 2010 had 12,365 sworn officers received their annual uniform allowance check but only 7,047 officers were actually assigned to work a beat.
Here is the link to the IG's report. The questions ae listed by ward, so Tunney's are towards the end.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/74910039/2011-IG-Report-on-Ald-Questions-for-Chicago-Police
Why is everyone forgetting....WE ARE THE TAX PAYERS!!!!!!
Does he mean taxpayer like me? The one who gets the shaft on police service? This goof is losing me more and more each day.
Shields is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I congratulate the guy for taking the opportunity to bring the manpower shortage and the saftey issues to light. McGOOF responded he didn't want to do it [reply to the union about manpower issues] in public. You are fucking right he didn't, but Shields put it to him! Shields did what he could, when he could. The kid has some balls. I am proud of him.
12/07/2011 01:40:00 AM
Terrell Owens has balls too and look where it got him. Balls and brains are two different things. Being cocky without having wisdom and discretion is dangerous and it sure aint impressive.
Every fighter has to lose a few fights before he can move up in the ranks.
And i don't think it's a loss for Shields. After all, he did get in the ring. He wasn't watching from the stands.
"Plus NYPD has approximately 4,500 Auxiliary Police Officers, 5,000 School Safety Agents, 2,300 Traffic Enforcement Agents, and 370 Traffic Enforcement Supervisors currently employed by the department. Chicago in comparison has a lowly 1,925 non sworn employees."
To be fair, you should discount the traffic enforcement and school safety, as that's not part of CPD. (your point about auxiliary stands)
THE RIGHT COMEBACK would have been to say, "But the money for those extra police officers is ALREADY in the budget [dude]. Hiring more police officers would not be the same as asking the taxpayers for more money. Just spend that money that's already in the budget."
Give Shields credit. With practice and a few more fights he will come out the winner.
McNuts may have won this battle but the war is not over.
Don't we always say to praise the man who does battle in the arena, than to pass judgement from the sidelines?
Isn't that what police do? We battle.
Message to Shields: Call one of your press conferences outside 35th Michigan. Tell them to hire police with the money that is already budgeted for the police in the city budget. Stop the Enron accounting. Ask them if the money that's in the budget for police officers isn't being spent on public safety, where is it being spent?
Don't give up Mike. You took the fight to them. You are in it now. Don't back down or we will lose later. You have supporters.
If you're going on the attack the who be prepared dummy!!! How about some stats
I can't understand the reasoning of Shortshanks and Rahmster not seeing the benefits of a fully staffed and equipped Police Department.
The late Richard J. Daley maintained a full strength Police
Force in addition to his legions
of loyal subjects and henchmen.
Wait . . Who said "Dude"?
There's no sense of arguing about it. The Dept. is run by Rahmmie the Commie, and will merge along the line, with Crook County, all PD's that need Crookago, IL Water to their Suburbs, etc; and ZObama's footsoldiers, the National Security Force, which will form if ZObama is re-elected. Complete Political Control/ power over of ALL Police Agencies Nationwide is their Goal, along with confiscation of all privately owned firearms, end to freedom of speech, complete re-distribution of Wealth, with Nazi-Fascist methods of enforcement to all non-compliant resistors. People just DON"T seem to get it, you HAVE elected Communists to run your Country. They aren't going to come out and admit it, until full Communist Control is achieved, and it is too late to restore Freedom. Of course, "They, the Regime" want you to think that writing like this is just rambling nonsense, but see what is going on around you, and figure it out for yourselves. The Trojan Horse has opened, and out popped Barack Obama and his Henchmen/ Horsemen of the Apocolypse.
You Coppers REALLY DON'T get the Big Picture of just what the Emanuel/Obama Regime is up to, do you? Within a few years, you will be nothing more than Security Guards, checking your sidearms out at the start of your tour, and back in when done. Law Enforcement has the most Conservative people in the U.S. in its employ, and you WILL be broken down gradually, and stripped of most all power, as you ARE a threat to the Regime.
Too bad Greg Bella was not our Prez!
12/07/2011 12:21:00 AM
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Sorry, but he's a complete hand-job!
Wow. You DON'T DO THIS KIND OF THING IN PUBLIC. Cornering Huberman on camera is one thing, because he is a wimp AND you legitimately had him dead to rights. But to try the same thing with a guy like mccarthy is not wise. Even if he answered 'yup. we are short'...what does that accomplish? MIke comes across as a disrespectful bosses' kid...
“Quite frankly, I don’t think it’s a fair thing to do to the taxpayers at this point,” he said to rousing applause.
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It's always a safe bet to say the taxpayers can't afford it, but facts are hard to deny, we ain't got the help to do the job anymore.
12/07/2011 03:23:00 AM
Well I am a taxpayer and if he actually think we're buying into that bullshit, he is crazy!
You all are your own worst enemy. Shields is the FOP and you all should support him because the city will do everything it can to fuck us come contract time. I remember on this same site when Donahue was President everyone beefed that he never said anything. Well now Shields is saying something in public, good for him. Get the message out that WE ARE UNDER MANNED. In think it shows just how anti PO this Mcnutty is. He is supposed to have our safety first and foremost and I know he is limited to what he can do since he answers to the ballerina, but he should not make war with the very people he is "supposed" to lead.
Big changes coming Wednesday the
15th and by the way....I voted for Paschke.
What I read in that article, McJersey said "Chicago currently has 12,370 sworn officers and supervisors, according to figures released Monday by the city."...........................really we have 12,370!?
GMac also didn't want to debate the police manpower issue in a public forum. Why? Do the taxpayers have any right to know or is he not allowed to speak off script?
Can't even dump a political hack 4 time merit appointee District Commander, in the worst district in the city, how pathetic.
At what point will we have that "no confidence" vote ?
WTF, just about every copper out there has had some type of contact whith the folks about crime, the lack of manpower or the response time.
Maybe if the businesses and the ordinary folks start writting letters and I mean make it an effort, I believe this jerk will be burried in it....
(arogance would probably be the top response from him)
Hell even Ray Charles can see it!
ok at least he (shields) confronted the supt. but next time ask to be called sir, mr., pres not dude and knock him down a few with something like that he wouldn't expect.Next be ballsy and ask him why not answer the question now and let the fucker stutter for an answer ....get it together shields.do your homework know what your talking about and don't back down and be intimidated,or let someone else speak for you.
The comeback should be asking the Sup, why doesn't he drive around and see how many one man units there, that there are four to five cars up a night in any district. The fact the response time is slower, and it's more dangerous for us out there. Was that too hard to say Mike??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Since the union began, no other FOP president has ever challenged a superintendent or mayor. Every past FOP president has kissed butt and shut up and played the game = and could care less about us union members.
I give Shields credit for getting out there and speaking up. Shields has done more for the union members than any other past FOP president. Thanks Mike - keep it up. The supt made himself look like a fool once again.
12/07/2011 06:21:00 AM
Shields is way out of his league and he is making a mockery of the FOP Presidency. I am ashamed for him and for the job he is doing representing us.
Can we recall him?
Shields might be wrong. Chicago's population has dropped to the level in 1910 - do we have more police officers than the force in 1910?
The population has nothing to do with it. The fear of consequences does. The population in 1910 realized that the Police had authority. they kicked ass without consequence. Now the Police have had their hands tied. We have been weakened in allowing the public to manipulate department policies and positions. We have been weakened by empowering ministers and such to determine deployments, procedural issues, and management.
Lets not compare apples and oranges. In 1910 there was rampant corruption too. should we start manipulating statistics like the city does or do you want to talk facts.
1910 has absolutely ZERO comparison to 101 years later.
I give Shields credit for getting out there and speaking up. Shields has done more for the union members than any other past FOP president. Thanks Mike - keep it up. The supt made himself look like a fool once again.
12/07/2011 06:21:00 AM
Oh, yeah, John Dineen and a signed contract with the mayor -- aint no big thang!
SHUT UP AND GROW UP --
Here are the number of sworn on the job right now. Go to crystal reports and run the job title codes of sworn personnel. This way there is no chance of anyone being double counted.
9796 7
9785 8
9782 0
9780 1
9756 1
9755 1
9752 46
9701 0
9213 2
9206 93
9201 19
9176 1
9175 43
9174 21
9173 206
9172 1
9171 1119
9169 25
9168 38
9166 1
9165 975
9164 67
9163 13
9160 8
9161 9439
Total 12135
Don't know what all the job title codes stand for but I am sure you can look them up if you are interested. This info is available to any sworn member so before you believe the half-assed comments from coworkers, look the stuff up yourself and get the correct answer.
with This 190 million dollar budget reduction demand that is being placed on our department, do you think they have incorporated the amount of generated revenue in the overhead? NOT A CHANCE.
The city deals in bottom line. COST is the issue without all the earmarked revenue from Tickets, and etc.
BUT, lets look at this:
There were worries about all the exempts being cut and what happened..NOTHING
Deputy Chiefs turn into a hidden away XO.
SAME MONEY, with little or no responsibility. at best they are like an admin Sgt.
I assure you taxpayers that the bottom rung of the ladder; the front line is the WRONG place to start trimming the fat. secondly, there are more and more retiring every month without replacement.
what then?
Look at all the Christmas Party Flyers from around the city. Have you EVER sen so many names?
McCarthy is the captain of a sinking ship. He just is to arrogant to admit it.
Anonymous said...
Since the union began, no other FOP president has ever challenged a superintendent or mayor. Every past FOP president has kissed butt and shut up and played the game = and could care less about us union members.
Are you High? Nolan was the Best president we ever had. he knew the players and the game. thats whats missing here. Mike knows neither.
You catch more flies with honey, Mike
if....or when.....the city goes up for grabs during G8/NATO summits, who takes the fall?
OT - Ya think the liberal media likes this bill?
I'M STARTING TO LOVE WISCONSIN!
Governor Walker Signs Bill Allowing Homeowners To Kill
MADISON (WI)- Gov. Scott Walker has signed a bill that allows homeowners to legally kill intruders.
The bill, nicknamed the "Castle Doctrine," creates a presumption of legal immunity for someone who kills or injures a person breaking into his or her home, vehicle or workplace. The measure requires a judge to presume that the use of deadly force was necessary.
The immunity presumption would not apply to a shooter who attacked someone he or she should have known was a public safety officer.
The Republican-controlled Legislature passed the bill early last month. Walker signed it into law Wednesday afternoon.
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/
135204088.html
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Anonymous said...
You can't just say we need more cops. What FOP should do is find some one who's an expert in Stats and attack the city/McTool there. We ALL know crime is not down and that they are using Stats to shape their perception. Have an expert look into their stats. Second pull records on back logs, RAPs etc. Measure times for service calls. We have to attack them by pulling the rug out from their fuzzy math and showing tge citizens that less cops = less safe communities, and that these two guys are full of s***.
12/07/2011 08:08:00 AM
McCarthy was ready for the argument and Shields was not. Shields needs to carefull pick his time and place when he plans to question him in public. McCarthy was a army of staffers collecting statistics and he is a experienced public speaker. The next time, let Camden do the talking.
Plain and simple the silence of the FOP is the knife in the back of every Chicago Police officer. Mike shields and his FOP staff need to be pro-active in getting the word out to everyone who will listen. The media wont play along, then buy billboards, cable ads, radio ads, go on every radio talk show possible, ads in the red eye. The people only hear the crap from the Rham and Mcdoodypants. Thats what they hear, thats what they believe. If they are going to talk, then we need to talk. The only problem is the FOP is the ONLY legal voice that 11,000 police officers have, nobody else can speak publicly without losing our jobs. This is how we all know Shields is just another payed lackey and we got screwed!
Kinda funny actually...
McMooky was revolving his dentures about looking out for the taxpayers in a room full of millionaire friends of Rahm who live mostly in the North Shore and on the Gold Coast...
Can someone please explain what the fuck THESE people have in common with the middle class tax paying citizens who are being stripped of their Police Protection because they know how to behave?
Of course these jack holes are going to applaud when McMooky got a cheap shot in.
McMooky had a captive, vested in much fuckery against CPD and the middle class tax payer of Chicago audience.
(Rahm had to have promised them something at the expense of Public Safety)
Let's see how he fares with an audience of people he's leaving at the mercy of criminals while he panders to the friends of Rahm and the catered to constituents.
Shields has done more than any other FOP president....I dont think so......old timers remember the days when if the boss didnt like you , you never saw a weekend off , the boss didnt like you in 024, you reported to 002 the next day. you made about 8,000 a year.... where do you think all the things in the contract came from...... all that union protection came from somewhere and it isnt Shields doing.... he hasnt even bargained a full contract yet,.. lets see what he gives up to the Mayor...
The Mayor is in the news talking about changes within the police department. He is not talking to the FOP or us for that matter. So great job taking the fight to them ie the supt and mayor in public. Keep it up
Do you know why the department won't hire? Because too many p.o.'s are working their asses off. I don't get it, we go from job to job in busy districts and there are p.o.'s sweating because we are in a back log. They can take their back log and shove it up their fucking ass! I am going to do a thorough job on every assigned job. The citizens deserve nothing less! Backlog or no backlog.
Shields spoke the truth and I give him a lot of credit. Sounds like the ghosts of FOP past have visited this blog at this Christmas time. Everyone has been complaining for years that the FOP remains silent. But, when Shields speaks up...the bitches here start complaining. If you don't like the guy, vote him out. McCarthy lied to the public and is full of shit when he said we don't need any new officers. Thank you Mike for speaking up.
To you others...get your mouthes off of McCarthy's balls!!!
McCarthy got one in this time. Not to mention every time he gets confronted about anything. Why ?
Been doing it a while, standing in front of cameras for years. Shields hasn't. He's going to get better. He has to. Been fighting for our pensions for years. He got better at it. He's been more vocal than any past FOP president. He'll get better at it. Camden ? Can teach Mike a little about presentation. There's a learning curve.
Never made a rookie mistake ?
ABCD
Shields might be wrong. Chicago's population has dropped to the level in 1910 - do we have more police officers than the force in 1910?
Just I support reducing Aldermen (if the city lost 200,000 residents in the last census - then we should eliminate 1 or 2 aldermen based on these numbers alone), if the population drops, then the number of police officers should drop as well.
Having a fix number is the way government wastes our tax dollars. How many of you received your property taxes bill (or increase in your escrow account)? What for?
12/07/2011 07:46:00 AM
since you're so obviously retarded, far beyond having the slightest chance to survive in the world which would result, were your retarded, economic theories actually to be acted upon, i will provide you, free of charge, with one piece of advice, to wit: never, ever, ever, leave your mother's basement.
The best thing to do is keep on getting these numbers out in front of the public before the G8 follies. "We are undermaned, we need more man power, the numbers the city is stating are false." When everything falls apart the public will know whom to look. We did the best we could with the manpower we had, the mayor would not hire anymore officers.
12/07/2011 06:58:00 AM
ain't it a bitch, when the sheep not only don't appreciate the sheepdogs, not only think that they, the sheep, somehow know better than the sheepdogs how to be a sheepdog, not only bitch about how much they have to pay to feed the sheepdogs, but, then, actively work to reduce the number of sheepdogs, as if the wolves aren't going to avail themselves of every opportunity to eat mutton that they can.
sheep sure are stupid.
I told people that voting for a child is a vote against themselves. Whatever...
And the camden hiring; I agree its pointless
12/07/2011 06:19:00 AM
so speaketh the 'member'......
...you have to have solutions for that as well not just spout off that bs anytime.
12/07/2011 05:39:00 AM
like you're doing now?
The only one who looked like a fool was Mike Shields. Oh I better watch what I say or Mike will unfriend me on Facebook thinking I'm a Rahm spy and not a pissed off union member.
Either way, citizens are not idiots. Figures don't lie yet liars figure......
12/07/2011 03:00:00 AM
uh, yes, yes they are.
and i've got the statistics to prove it.
Chalkie
Anonymous said...
Prepare to here that line over and over again "it would not be fair to the taxpayers" as they cut the pensions.
It's a nice little diversion that allows one to play the victim isn't it?
I know it's not under GMAC's area of responsibilities however where is all this concern about fairness to the taxpayers when it comes to handing out corporate tax breaks?
Funny how all these corporations can't make any money and stay in business unless they have more tax breaks -- HOWEVER, there is plenty of money for $35,000 dollar dinners for political fundraisers and the politicians can travel to New York. Iowa, California..where ever as the city burns and the blood flows in the streets.
Concerns for the taxpayers my ass. How many millions are you expecting to collect on your speed trap camera's and how do the taxpayers feel about that?!
12/07/2011 01:01:00 AM
Madigan ordered everyone back to work to address the tax breaks and maybe our pension legislation too. They are supposed to meet this coming week. So much for putting these decisions off until the Spring. Watch out boys and girls that they don't try to ram that pension bill SB512 through.
Rahms number 1 concern is public safety. Cough cough, now go drink some koolaid. We're budgeted for 13,500 but we're 2,422 short. Each month we lose another 30 to 40 more officers that retire. The city refuses to hire anybody. You can cut corners with how many times the bean gets polished, how many flowers get planted or how often the downtown sidewalks get powerwashed but you should "never" mess with or ignore the manpower shortage on our police department.
Start cutting the budget in the ghetto districts. The districts with less tax payers should by far get less city services. Its only right. I cant get a pothole fixed, a street light fixed or my sidewalk with tree roots popping through for almost a year and I drive through the ghetto and see all new sidewalks, streets, new updated light poles and curbs pretty much on everyblock in the ghetto. That's not fair and is total bullshit.
At least Shields is making a stand, unlike the other past presidents who were "quiet" And Pat Camden sir you have balls thank you,great hire Mike!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Too bad Greg Bella was not our Prez!
12/07/2011 12:21:00 AM
So sad! think he would of been better? Dealing with rahmbo would of made Greg dizzy! Sorry he would of been no better,the only time he spoke out was when he was running!
We have to support Shields the quarterback weather you like him or not needs our "team" support against the rahm machine! If you think greg "you talkin to me" would of been better your badly mistaken! We still have the Irish kid Billy Doherty to help out and with shields and Bill we can be winners! "Go Irish!"
Since the union began, no other FOP president has ever challenged a superintendent or mayor. Every past FOP president has kissed butt and shut up and played the game = and could care less about us union members.
I give Shields credit for getting out there and speaking up. Shields has done more for the union members than any other past FOP president. Thanks Mike - keep it up. The supt made himself look like a fool once again.
12/07/2011 06:21:00 AM
LOLOL...You my friend...
ARE A DUMBASS....LOL
I hope he does better come negotiation time!
http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/CHyCLHvW71RxQtDh
Don't worry fellas, it's the hair gel. Our FLOP Pres spends more time learning how to walk in long pants than he does learning his high paying job.....Well to all those who put this young empty holster in his position you get what OBLAMA promised,,,,change,,,,,,change in how we are respected, looked at,,,,,treated,,,,dealt with and soon change in our pay and benefits......oh sh8T Where is Bella now that we need him...........Hair gel spill in isle two
"I give Shields credit for getting out there and speaking up. Shields has done more for the union members than any other past FOP president."
Little Premature, how many contracts has he negotiated?
That's right ZERO.
I give Shields credit for getting out there and speaking up. Shields has done more for the union members than any other past FOP president. Thanks Mike - keep it up. The supt made himself look like a fool once again.
12/07/2011 06:21:00 AM
Dineen -- Collective Bargaining Agreement
Nolan -- Steady Watches
Donahue -- Retire at 55 with free Health Insurance
Shields _______________ ? I have seen him, he is not working his ass off!
just what is he supposed to say?
The fiscal realities mean the city employment rolls are going to decrease substantially in the coming years, and that includes police and fire.
Shields should have told him, " then I guess the tax payers and you will get what you pay for". Here is your report offender GOA.
I say walk into mcTools office and tell him, "the jerk store called - they ran out of you!". Then walk out.
Since the union began, no other FOP president has ever challenged a superintendent or mayor. Every past FOP president has kissed butt and shut up and played the game = and could care less about us union members.
I give Shields credit for getting out there and speaking up. Shields has done more for the union members than any other past FOP president. Thanks Mike - keep it up. The supt made himself look like a fool once again.
12/07/2011 06:21:00 AM
LOLOL...You my friend...
ARE A DUMBASS....LOL
No Sir/Mam you are a dunbass because you don't know the first thing about Bella and how he confronted DALEY in his office on several occasions and he didn't have the FOP office job to protect his questions,comments and concerns. Bella always bellied up with his balls in the wheel barrel for the body of this bargaining unit, for the best for all members, not to slip the digit boy /9.5 a set of cuff links to go easy on him....learn your facts Sir or Mam shields
Hair gel spill in isle two, again
The comeback from Shields should have been:
"Garry, if you are so concerned about the taxpayers, perhaps you will take a salary cut. If you took a pay cut, then we could hire more teachers. Don't you care about the children?"
I want to know who EXACTLY was cheering for LESS police on the street at this "club". Maybe the city can agree to reduce THIER police coverage. I for one want to be sure I can get home safely. Are those people total idiots, or do they all own ivory towers they can hide in?
Same old curmudgeons trying to put organized labor out of business. McStake was just kissing more a$$
9796 7---Deputy Chief
9785 8---Chief
9782 0---Deputy Supe
9780 1---Director MLAS
9756 1---General Counsel
9755 1---Asst Deputy Supe
9752 46---Commander
9701 0---not listed
9213 2---Firearm Identification tech
9206 93---po as ET
9201 19---police forensics inv I
9176 1---not listed
9175 43---Captain
9174 21---police agent
9173 206---Lieutenant
9172 1---not listed
9171 1119---Sergeant
9169 25---po as mounted
9168 38---po as marine unit
9166 1---po as supervisor latent print
9165 975---po as detective
9164 67---po as FTO
9163 13---po as latent fingerprint examiner
9160 8---po as security specialist
9161 9439---Police Officer
Thanks to you all who either voted for Shields or didn't vote at all.
Shields is speaking publically against the department. Not behind closed doors.
You need to "tom dart" yourself in this city.
Keep it up Shields. And having Pat Camden was genius.
It is easy for McDrunk to take shots at the CPD regarding our shortage of manpower as his safety is never in jeapordy with his own body guards. Would he roll in Englewood or in 011 99? No fucking way. As far as expanding payroll and fairness to the tax payers, once again, easy for McDrunk when you make the salary he makes. What does he care about your cost of living. He's paid like a rock star wondering what the peons are bitching about.
LOLOL...You my friend...
ARE A DUMBASS....LOL
No Sir/Mam you are a dunbass because you don't know the first thing about Bella and how he confronted DALEY in his office on several occasions and he didn't have the FOP office job to protect his questions,comments and concerns. Bella always bellied up with his balls in the wheel barrel for the body of this bargaining unit, for the best for all members, not to slip the digit boy /9.5 a set of cuff links to go easy on him....learn your facts Sir or Mam shields
Hair gel spill in isle two, again
12/08/2011 11:06:00 AM
Wow Bella must be pretty heavy to "confront" Daley in his office. Why don't you enlighten us under what circumstances Bella confronted Daley? Bella never let it be known while campaigning about his personal confrontations with Daley in regards to the his fellow police officers. Why is that?
ok at least he (shields) confronted the supt. but next time ask to be called sir, mr., pres not dude and knock him down a few with something like that he wouldn't expect.Next be ballsy and ask him why not answer the question now and let the fucker stutter for an answer ....get it together shields.do your homework know what your talking about and don't back down and be intimidated,or let someone else speak for you.
12/07/2011 03:26:00 PM
The Supe called him Mike, not dude. It's in the article. Not sure if that was SCC editorializing for some reason or he picked that up from another source besides the Sun-Times or Tribune. One of the papers, I think the Trib left out the last line "why aren't you clapping Mike?"
Thanks to you all who either voted for Shields or didn't vote at all.
12/08/2011 01:26:00 PM
you're most welcome.
9161 9439---Police Officer
12/08/2011 12:31:00 PM
9177 was the title code for Watch Commander when they tried the experiment in the 1990's of no longer promoting to the rank of Captain, Title Code 9175.
This just shows how out of his league mikey is. He asked a legit question but had no comeback after jerysey shore shut him down. God help us at contract time.
12/07/2011 12:11:00 AM
Verbal utterances can, and often do, show a lack of intelligence, but not responding to an idiot is a sign of strength, strategy and compassion for the less-mentally empowered.
Then he said "I'll fight ya, I'll fight ya with one hand tied behind my back."
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