Getting Ugly
- A Chicago police officer who stopped an off-duty cop suspected in a fatal hit-and-run testified Thursday that her watch commander ordered her to "hold off" on a field sobriety test.
- ...on Thursday, she became the second officer in as many days of testimony at Bolling's trial to change her account and say she now believes he failed to pass the field-sobriety tests.
- "no one ever ordered me to file a supplemental report."
- "I was just following orders," she said.
We have no idea how this could look any worse for the Department.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
130 Comments:
""I was just following orders," she said".
Ah, the Nuremburg Defense.
There are circumstances where one is "ordered" to file a supplemental report, but you don't need an order to file a supplemental report.
There's a BIG BUS coming this way. . . .
Wow, Needham just cost Chicago taxpayers $5 million dollars . I can see this getting real nasty and the city paying huge dollars to make it go away.
If you have CLOUT you can do NO wrong in Chicago!
I was in the courtroom today for the hearing and all I can say is SHAME on you Officer. You looked like a fool, an idiot, and a complete liar! I wonder how an officer with 6 years on the Police Department doesn't know how to testify in a court case. And, the Officer testified that all the supervisors on the scene made her nervous. Nervous by supervisors? What do you do when there are shots fired, 10-1's called, person calling for help? Do those calls make you nervous too??? No wonder you are in call back you goof!
It's going to "Not Guilty" or a mistrial.
Sludge Factory
Brundage was always a goof, scared to make a decision about anything. Nothing new here.
PO's complain how bosses arent how they used to be when they used to back in the day...
But supervisors can say the same about POs whether it's this case, A Sgt getting thrown under the bus in the LH case or countless other times officers have middled their bosses whether on reports or to an Inspector.
"...her watch commander ordered her to "hold off" on a field sobriety test."
That's just plain stupid. There are plenty of experts out there who routinely testify in these kinds (delayed breath analysis) of cases.
Interpolating BAC at a cetain point in time isn't rocket science, just plain old science.
"I was just following orders," she said.
That defense failed in Nuremberg, too.
This is what you get when you have a combination of too much college, not enough real world police experience meets clouted son of retired commander.
Just another reminder of why this job should've been tagged as "DNR" about 10-15 years ago. Technological advances are also equally responsible for the death of this once-great profession.
Can't wait to get the fuck outta here.
guess what officers... you just committed purjury... Now may be the proper time to get all of your affairs in order... good luck.
female police officer throws WC under bus for what reason ?better her than ne... i don't recall, might be a good response, but to change testimony.
The new dept. I've seen it over and over again.
The district should have an officers at hand in these situation at all time to handle these jobs . someone well trained in this field. ET .
WTF!!!!! The Cover up is just as bad as the Crime. This Shit always happens when you don't just let the Ass hole pay for his actions. Now everyone involved who wasjust trying to do a days work and go home has Shit on there shoes.They are all nervous because they may not have told the truth. You never know what the prosecutor has up his sleeve so they are trying not to get caught up in a lie and lose their Jobs.
"I was just following orders?"
Adolf Eichman
And they hung him!
What happened to booses of long ago and work ethic that went with it? Keep your damn mouth shut. Stop ratting out your bosses and coworkers. Man is it getting bad now.
Anonymous said...
PO's complain how bosses arent how they used to be back in the day...
1/13/2012 01:24:00 AM
Professional courtesies DO NOT extend to drunken cops running over innocent civilians and killing them.
If you're ORDERED to alter 'routine and normal' investigative procedures, inform that supervisor that his/her ORDER will be complied with AND DOCUMENTED in all of your narratives. This will avoid YOU being accused of perjury or filing a false official report.
Will there be fallout? Perhaps, but doing your job properly is the best defense against accusations that you're a cop hater. It's not like you went looking to trick bag some poor copper. He trick bagged himself and it's NOT your responsibility to "fix it" for him.
Son of a former Commander... Hmmm, how not surprising is that?
Let's all learn a lesson from this. Cop or not, his attorney will do everything in his power to destroy you and your testimony on the witness stand. If you did everything properly from the start, the defendant will be the only fool in the courtroom instead of both of you looking totally inept and stupid.
I know hindsight is 20/20. That's why I'm saying let's all learn a lesson from this. Just do your job.
Purjury? Spell much? Mercy.
Don't forget what this cop did. He killed a kid. Then he took off. Commit the crime. Pay the time. You wanna drink and drive then kill someone. If you killed anyone in my family, you'd have another problem to deal with. There are a few more DUI's by cops that I seem to remember. What ever happened to those?
I was in the courtroom today for the hearing and all I can say is SHAME on you Officer. You looked like a fool, an idiot, and a complete liar! I wonder how an officer with 6 years on the Police Department doesn't know how to testify in a court case. And, the Officer testified that all the supervisors on the scene made her nervous. Nervous by supervisors? What do you do when there are shots fired, 10-1's called, person calling for help? Do those calls make you nervous too??? No wonder you are in call back you goof!
1/13/2012 12:16:00 AM
Welcome to the new CPD post 2010! Ain't it a beauty? Just think what it will be like in 10 more years. Thank God I'll be retiring then.
Interpolating BAC at a cetain point in time isn't rocket science, just plain old science.
1/13/2012 01:34:00 AM
I don't know what interpolating is but if you mean extrapolating then yes you can back track to what a persons BAC was zt a certain time.
These officers were put in a no win situation. All of you playing MMQB should be thankful you didn't stop his car. Otherwise, you'd be up there testifying about the video.
Unfortunately thats what you get when you have people on this job who look at this job as just a pay check.
There is no more proffesionalism. No more attention to detail and treating this job to what it is, a very serious occupation.
I look at the PO's hired in the last few years and I think they all believe they're still i high school.
Wow, Needham just cost Chicago taxpayers $5 million dollars . I can see this getting real nasty and the city paying huge dollars to make it go away.
1/13/2012 12:12:00 AM
Needham didn't cost the city anything, he's doing his job defending his client. The idiot officer on the stand is to blame along with her partner are to blame.
Either you have the courage and morals to tell the c.o. where to go, or your a real pos and follow the lie through the trial. Right now your just plain fucked! Your part of this hope-change-fair crowd and don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Adios mf'r!
Once he passed the SFT's on scene, officer Sanchez should of turned to the WC & said into the mic "I have no probable cause to continue my DUI investigation" I will cut a traffic ticket IVC stuff, and bring him into the station for leaving the scene. If IAD or a sgt wanted to charge him then fine, have them bring him to the hospital.
Sometimes an officer has to take the initiative to stand up and do the right thing despite "orders", but I see the officers side in this. From someone who has been the target of a vicious, out of control, heavily clouted and untouchable boss, repurcussions can and will follow those w/o a phone call throughout your career. That brick is never off your head no matter where you go, what you do and who you identify with. Being stuck between a rock and a hard place on this job is misery.
Wow, Needham just cost Chicago taxpayers $5 million dollars . I can see this getting real nasty and the city paying huge dollars to make it go away.
1/13/2012 12:12:00 AM
I don't get it. $5 million for who? It's looks to me that the only people who will get paid out of this are the Booker family. Whether the police tried to cover it up or not means nothing. The boy died. The CPD did not kill the kid.
Currently at ARS because she's a f*#%ing idiot.
Soon to be unemployed/broke/possibly in jail for committing perjury.
Pay attention all you hair gels, slick sleeves and wannabe tough guys...THIS is why this job is DOA and no one wants to be anywhere near or associated with the majority of people who came on this job in the last ten or so years.
Not only won't you goofs get to start a sentence with "Kid, we used to handle things the right way..." for a long eff'n time (no new hires any time soon), you don't and won't know what the 'right way' is.
RIP CPD
I have absolutely no doubt the supervisors told them to try to get this guy off. If it was a straight DUI, I have no problem giving the officer a ride home or securing a ride for him. If he severely hurts or kills someone, I will do my job correctly and if it means you losing yours and going to jail because of your stupid actions, I will not fee any remorse for doing the right thing!
Kinnison testified Wednesday that he realized his mistake after recently watching video from their squad car that clearly showed Bolling flubbing the walk-and-turn test.
Wow, the dash came was working?? Sorry, but i'm not rule 14'ing my self and putting my family on the street for any drunk asshole. If you cannot handle your booze don't expect me to handle it for you. Retards.
"I was in the courtroom today for the hearing and all I can say is SHAME on you Officer. You looked like a fool, an idiot, . . . And, the Officer testified that all the supervisors on the scene made her nervous. Nervous by supervisors? What do you do when there are shots fired, 10-1's called, person calling for help? Do those calls make you nervous too??? No wonder you are in call back you goof!"
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She is in CALL BACK?
Does anyone know the official reason she was placed in Call Back?
I am sure the reason she is throwing bosses "under the bus" is because that will be the reason she and her attorney will use if she is fired.
What the hell... I would do the same thing if I got fucked by these MERIT CLOUT bosses.
The district should have an officers at hand in these situation at all time to handle these jobs . someone well trained in this field. ET .
Holy Shit.
Where do you work?
"Fantasyland"?
Just another example of a dumb ass who should work in Streets and Sanitation. This merit system that is an accepted practice in this department will be the death of it. Did you put in your report who ordered you to do what? How did it feel having your ass handed to you while you were on the stand? Bet that was fun!
Brudage made the right call, the Street Dep and IAD Supervisor WOULD want to be present for the entire process of DUI investigation, IE SFSTS, and then Admin blow when criminal inv concluded... but she is just typical of the new police on this job in the last 10 years or so.. trust nobody and keep good notes...
"When they learned that Bolling was an off-duty officer, she and her partner, Officer Milton Kinnison, notified supervisors and waited for them to come to the scene, Gomez-Sanchez said. She testified she waited to administer the field-sobriety tests for two hours after her watch commander told her "to hold off until a street deputy and Internal Affairs Division arrived on the scene."
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I can believe this account.
I believe that is what the watch commander would say since he is the clouted merit HACK who does not know WHAT HE IS DOING.
You DO NOT wait for the Street Deputy or an Incident Commander to arrive on the scene.
I would not critize this officer at all.. she is in CALL BACK and is trying to save her job.
FUCK these piece of shit bosses.
Any of you would do the same thing to save your job if the city STUCK IT UP YOUR ASS.
You are all damn liars if you disagree with me.
Question?
Have the laws regarding a field sobriety test been changed? When I was on the job, a field sobriety test could be refused by the accused without consequence; i.e. loss of driving privileges. It was voluntary unlike blowing into the box .
Now I understand that you cannot refuse a direct order by a supervisor but isn't there something in place for you to exercise the FOP disclaimer about it being a direct order and you can loose your job and blah, blah, blah.
Does that only apply to an internal investigation versus a criminal one? As I write and think this through, that probably is the case. But the question still remains, can they order you to take a field sobriety test when it is not required by law and still have the results of that test admissible in court?
Clarifications?
Thoughts?
"I was just following orders," she said.
That defense failed in Nuremberg, too.
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Not in this case.
It was NOT an unlawful order.. just an incompetent one by the boss.
Officer, you wrote the report; you made the observations; you were present from the start - how about YOU stand by your words & not second guess yourself on the stand. You looked like an IDIOT to me & everyone else watching from the gallery. SHAME ON YOU
You know what makes stuff like this simple? Do your job with integrity. Tell the truth. Not "I don't recall" as someone suggested.
I don't think her supervisor tried to delay, you do have to wait for the higher ranking officer to get to the scene but maybe I'm wrong. Not sure why she would change her testimony but it's not the bosses fault. She should be ashamed of herself.
So basically she saying im stupid and im not able to think for myself and I need to be told what to do at my job all day long.
I was in the courtroom today for the hearing and all I can say is SHAME on you Officer. You looked like a fool, an idiot, and a complete liar! I wonder how an officer with 6 years on the Police Department doesn't know how to testify in a court case. And, the Officer testified that all the supervisors on the scene made her nervous. Nervous by supervisors? What do you do when there are shots fired, 10-1's called, person calling for help? Do those calls make you nervous too??? No wonder you are in call back you goof!
1/13/2012 12:16:00 AM
How does an officer with 6 years on not know how to testify? It's simple you got officers with even more time on the job telling younger officers not to do anything. If you don't do anything, you never testify. it's simple...
Can't feel sorry for these drunken off-duty cops. You know how the system now works.
sounds like a cover up
that wc will be fired
It is amazing to see how many times these goofs put "blank Supervisor onscene" or "r/o ordered by Sgt blank to place offender into custody". We have a large portion of PO's on this job who never should of took the job and should of left a long time ago. No spine. No idea of what constitutes probable cause. "I dont do Police work" attitudes. The same people get on this blog saying "dont do anything". No one has to be a "Gel Head Superstar", but come on..... DO the JOB or find another! I am a cop. Quit tuff talking in the locker and roll call rooms and lets see it on the street. Learn your job and go to court once in awhile.
purjury hope she has a good lawyer she'll need one to stay out of jail herself
RE: Wow, Needham just cost Chicago taxpayers $5 million dollars . I can see this getting real nasty and the city paying huge dollars to make it go away.
I may be wrong, but this incident happened Off duty in a personal car. How is it that you are stating that Needham is costing taxpayers any money. This officer hired Needham on his own, not via the Police Department. Get your facts right before you make statements. The family of the victim have no claim to taxpayers money as the officer was not working. I believe the family can sue the officer on a civil basis and through his automobile insurance tho.
I agree we should have experts to handle these. Why didn't major accidents handle the entire thing including SFST's. I'm sick and tired of all of us looking like goofs because people "try to do the right thing". Someone like major accidents should handle this accordingly. That's supposed to be why they work there.
Sorry, but those freaking coppers need to be fired. They lied, and filed false police reports, by their admission.
a po was just stripped for an allegation that was six yrs old and not sustained by ops six yrs ago- ipra opened it back up -rule 14 on a case given by the only person at the scene- watch out boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lt. Brundle Fly - Could somebody please tell him that the chap stick is supposed to go only on your lips and not around your entire mouth and chin.
"According to court filings, an undisclosed superior officer was captured on the same squad car recording telling Bolling he would "try to help you out as much as possible," but that was not played Wednesday for jurors."
This is what concerns me. The prosecutors elected not to front the superior officer. Why not?
It appears all of the officers involved in handling and processing the scene are being called to trial by the prosecutors, who are trying to show that the driver was given special treatment because he was the police. But they stopped short of calling this superior officer.
Is this another example of the double standard in CPD?
Sounds like she when to the Cynthia White school of how to get ahead without getting your fingernails dirty.
PO's complain how bosses arent how they used to be when they used to back in the day...
But supervisors can say the same about POs whether it's this case, A Sgt getting thrown under the bus in the LH case or countless other times officers have middled their bosses whether on reports or to an Inspector.
1/13/2012 01:24:00 AM
I can't agree more. I have 6 years on the job and am young. I am disappointed to say this but it is my generation (both age and toj) that seem to be the biggest offenders of this. Take your punishment. You are still going to be in trouble whether it is just your or everyone else.
Sometimes it is better to keep silent and be thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I was in the courtroom today for the hearing and all I can say is SHAME on you Officer. You looked like a fool, an idiot, and a complete liar! I wonder how an officer with 6 years on the Police Department doesn't know how to testify in a court case. And, the Officer testified that all the supervisors on the scene made her nervous. Nervous by supervisors? What do you do when there are shots fired, 10-1's called, person calling for help? Do those calls make you nervous too??? No wonder you are in call back you goof!
1/13/2012 12:16:00 AM
Not defending this her at all, but if she has 6 years on the job she was probably a brand new ppo when this happened. Her partner had an obligation to make sure THEIR bases were covered, obviously he is a fucking mush too. Doesn't excuse the terrible testimony or current incompetence.
Follow up on my earlier field sobriety test question.
How can anyone be given a direct order to do something [field sobriety test] that compromises one's right to not incriminate themselves. Basic 5th amendment stuff. This question is directed at the criminal investigation, not a departmental investigation. In a departmental investigation one can be directed to follow an order and be compelled to do so, so as not to risk their job, but in theory that act or testimony should not be allowed to be introduced in a court of law.
If in fact he did a sobriety test as the result of an order, this doesn't smell right.
Is everything that is going on in that court room right now a cluster fuck on so many different levels?
Yes!
Do I have an opinion on the guilt or innocence of the accused officer?
Yes!
Does it matter?
No!
It's a legal question. It's like the whole Drew Peterson affair. Is he a guilty scumbag? I think he most likely is. Does the, "he said, she said" hearsay law they enacted stink? Absolutely! Should he, after how many years now, have a reasonable bond set? Yes again. I am not taking up his cause or defending him.
But, like him, and the accused officer, and like each and every one of you who is still working, there should not be another set of legal standards just because you happen to be the Police.
Apparently I had too much time to think about this while mindlessly snow plowing myself a way out to the main road.
Stay safe everyone.
To all of you "workers" out there: the next time you hear a job of a T/C involving an ODPO who is DUI,make sure you volunteer to handle it. Otherwise STFU!!
A disgrace. The ultimate responsibility for doing what you are supposed to do lies with you.
So does this mean that the WC on duty that night will be promoted to Commander soon?
Pretty bad when you can't even trust the asshole sitting next to you in the sqaud car. This is nothing new. We saw this shit starting way back in the 1980's with cops snitching on other cops. Pay attention to what you do. It could all come back to hit you in the ass.
There have been numerous DUI cases involving cops. Some of these involved deaths of innocent civilians. Don't drink and drive. The officer involved here was more worried about his car than the kid he killed. I suspect the reason he took off is because he was drinking and knew he was in trouble.
""I was just following orders," she said".
Have the police in this city forgotten that they are under Federal Orders to Arrest any and all supervisors that give Illegal Orders?
1/13/2012 05:32:00 AM
I'm sorry...but the Bosses are more than ready to throw you under a bus...why should we cover for them when they break a rule or the LAW?
RE: Wow, Needham just cost Chicago taxpayers $5 million dollars . I can see this getting real nasty and the city paying huge dollars to make it go away.
I may be wrong, but this incident happened Off duty in a personal car. How is it that you are stating that Needham is costing taxpayers any money. This officer hired Needham on his own, not via the Police Department. Get your facts right before you make statements. The family of the victim have no claim to taxpayers money as the officer was not working. I believe the family can sue the officer on a civil basis and through his automobile insurance tho.
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are you serious???? Did you not read that the coppers basically lied about the whole thing on paper? They they went to court and said, nope..he was drunk. Throw in that there is recording of a supervisor saying we will take care of you and a plan to make the officer blow hours later spells out CONSPIRACY! Obviously you have not been to federal court for a lawsuit lately. If this goes not guilty or mistrial the victims family can sue the hell out of the city for not investigating properly and for conspiring to make this thing "go away". Please, these coppers not only can be hit hard in federal court for numerous things but they can be charged criminally for lying on original reports. This defense by the officers of "i was nervous because bosses were around" is complete crap and everyone including the states attorney know it. Face it, the coppers and supervisors got caught trying to cover this whole thing up. If you dont think these coppers who did the arrest cant be fired and hit punitively then your NUTS!
The fact that some stupid kid that should have been in the house is all just irrelevant now.
These 2 "coppers" and I use the term lightly since they don't deserve the title, are total idiots. This has become a total shit show and NONE of these P.O.'s deserve to be the police. They obviously can't do there job, and the defendant basically murdered the stupid fucking kid.
FUCK ALL OF THEM, I am tired of being made to look bad because of people like these.
We all make mistakes but there is a big difference when it comes to kids being killed.
"According to court filings, an undisclosed superior officer was captured on the same squad car recording telling Bolling he would "try to help you out as much as possible," but that was not played Wednesday for jurors."
This is what concerns me. The prosecutors elected not to front the superior officer. Why not?
It appears all of the officers involved in handling and processing the scene are being called to trial by the prosecutors, who are trying to show that the driver was given special treatment because he was the police. But they stopped short of calling this superior officer.
Is this another example of the double standard in CPD?
1/13/2012 11:08:00 AM
In my opinion NO it is not. If you worked for IBM and your boss had to be called out or had to respond to an incident in which you did something stupid, he/she would also say the same thing, that they will try to help you out as much as they can. There is no great conspiracy because a supervisor says that. Those words do not automatically mean that someone is willing to do something illegal or unethical for you. Lighten up.
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There have been numerous DUI cases involving cops. Some of these involved deaths of innocent civilians. Don't drink and drive. The officer involved here was more worried about his car than the kid he killed. I suspect the reason he took off is because he was drinking and knew he was in trouble.
STFU!!! You don't know what you are talking about and obviously get your information from the LIBERAL Shit Papers.....I heard the audio....Officer Bolling DID NOT KNOW HE HIT THE KID (HE KNEW HE HIT SOMETHING BUT NOT THE KID)when he was joking about his car and White Castles.....THIS happened right before the Arresting Officers told him he killed the kid! After being told what happened, Officer Bolling burst into tears and can be heard on the tapes horribly upset and remorseful.....Again, Assholes, get All your facts right before making comments like that (The media loves you guys)
I can believe this account.
I believe that is what the watch commander would say since he is the clouted merit HACK who does not know WHAT HE IS DOING.
You DO NOT wait for the Street Deputy or an Incident Commander to arrive on the scene.
I would not critize this officer at all.. she is in CALL BACK and is trying to save her job.
FUCK these piece of shit bosses.
Any of you would do the same thing to save your job if the city STUCK IT UP YOUR ASS.
You are all damn liars if you disagree with me.
1/13/2012 09:25:00 AM
If I wrote the paper and I made the assessment then I would stand behind my story. If the heat came on me, I would stand behind my story because I would not do anything unethical. If I decided to fudge something then I would take the fall for it. I would not blame others because this job does not work that way. Blaming someone else as if you had no responsibility is a very poor defense for your actions. My question is why would anyone put an officer with no time on the job on a DUI of this magnitude? What happened to the old farts in the district who were the go to DUI guys because they knew their stuff? I would say that choosing an inexperienced officer in the first place was the second stupid thing a CPD employee did. The first was the DUI driver himself.
C'mon now. You can't blame a new little P.O. for getting steam rolled by her boss can ya. Aren't all bosses clout babies or meritoriuos hacks anyway? Couldn't this be the beginning of the uprising that all you big balled coppers are calling for? Boss tells you not to do something that you know you should do, throw a general order in his face. Ask him if he is ordering you to break the law. Put it in your report. You're the real police. You kick ass and take names. Let's go. Do it, tough guy. Or shut the fuck up and crawl back into the bar where you can talk tough in safety with the rest of the clay people.
ITK
Been a while.
C'mon now. You can't blame a new little P.O. for getting steam rolled by her boss can ya. Aren't all bosses clout babies or meritoriuos hacks anyway? Couldn't this be the beginning of the uprising that all you big balled coppers are calling for? Boss tells you not to do something that you know you should do, throw a general order in his face. Ask him if he is ordering you to break the law. Put it in your report. You're the real police. You kick ass and take names. Let's go. Do it, tough guy. Or shut the fuck up and crawl back into the bar where you can talk tough in safety with the rest of the clay people.
ITK
Been a while.
Professional courtesies DO NOT extend to drunken cops running over innocent civilians and killing them.
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Absolutely correct. There is no way to help you when you leave the scene of an accident and you are drunk. You just screwed yourself and the person you hit. Makes no sense to take down other officers with you. I won't be one of those officers at least.
Brundage wasn't a merit Lt.
Wow, Needham just cost Chicago taxpayers $5 million dollars . I can see this getting real nasty and the city paying huge dollars to make it go away.
1/13/2012 12:12:00 AM
Needham didn't cost the city anything, he's doing his job defending his client. The idiot officer on the stand is to blame along with her partner are to blame.
1/13/2012 07:55:00 AM
How about the drunk who killed the kid is to blame!!!
Let me get this straight. Some kid gets run over, you smell alcohol on the guys breath and you do not force him to do a blood draw that is required under 11-501? If you did not smell alcohol, then you can use the accident sworn report just to cover your ass. In this case, it makes the department looks like fools. You drive you drink and hit someone, its your fault, not mine. Sorry, I am not going to lose my job.
This is what happens when you go to the MSU school of police work to cover up for someone elses mistake,,,,
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-hollywood-cop-pressley-sentencing-20111221,0,4136314.story
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happened to booses of long ago and work ethic that went with it? Keep your damn mouth shut. Stop ratting out your bosses and coworkers. Man is it getting bad now.
1/13/2012 05:32:00 AM
You sound like a shit head and NOT a cop. What the fuck is the matter with you people? This cop killed a child. Someone's child. Now the parents are left without their precious baby. Once again, what the fuck is the matter with some of you people? If a cop injures someone or worse kills someone then I can not stand up or cover for him. It was him who drank too much and then drove his car. So suffer the fucking consequences of your own actions.
All of this could have been avoided if the officer simply DID THE RIGHT THING. An off duty officer ran over and killed a child? Ok asshole, I am going to do my job and the asshole cop will go to jail. This is one reason why I think they should put cameras on us. Go ahead, record everything. I have nothing to hide.
First and foremost. ANYTIME you have a drunk copper involved in a major incident, get the boss, then you are done. It sounds like this po majorly screwed up in court but her first screw up was having any part of the arrest. As a 9161 you absolutely should always refuse to have anything to do with the arrest of an PO. There are bosses trained for SFST & BAC and this is exactly the resaon why. In 15 years I have had 3 incidents when this proved to be true and it all worked out well in the end. And yes if you are intimidated by your boss then you should not be on the job.
Good old 022.
The worst of the worst.
When does the criminal investigation end and the administrative portion begin? If the criminal portion is being conducted and the IAD is hanging around watching and listening can the criminal portion be used for the administrative portion? Criminally everyone including on or off duty cops has a right to remain silent but not administratively. How about the fact that what he was "talking to himself " about was recorded without his consent which one of the coppers held the mic button open enabling Bolingbrook to be recorded without his permission. What if Lt Brundage ordered the imcompetent PO to hurry up and do the field tests BEFORE the IAD and Deputy arrive could they have ordered BOLINGBROOK to do them a second time? Lots of questions very few answers!
Needham, your crazy if anyone costs the city any money it would be the acting street deputy when this happened, Leo Schmitz.
The WC in question is retired and has been for over a year now.......by the way, he is an attorney. Clouted? I doubt it, he was a northsider working midnights in 6.
1/13/2012 09:28:00 AM Said.....
"Now I understand that you cannot refuse a direct order by a supervisor but isn't there something in place for you to exercise the FOP disclaimer about it being a direct order and you can loose your job and blah, blah, blah.......Does that only apply to an internal investigation versus a criminal one? As I write and think this through, that probably is the case. But the question still remains, can they order you to take a field sobriety test when it is not required by law and still have the results of that test admissible in court?:
My response: there is, I believe, a precedent already, where a P.O. refused the breathalyzer for the DUI criminal case, was ordered to blow administratively, and the ASA used that administrative blow result against him in the DUI courtroom, so just be aware that: 1-you must obey direct orders from supervisors or the Police Board can have you terminated for insubordination, and 2-the internal investigation MAY somehow end up being used against you by the ASA in court....I guess it depends on how aggressive the ASA is. We are held to a very high standard, higher than any other profession I know.
There is nothing wrong with occasional drinking...just keep some cab money on you, take a taxi home, and play it safe!
"According to court filings, an undisclosed superior officer was captured on the same squad car recording telling Bolling he would "try to help you out as much as possible," but that was not played Wednesday for jurors."
This is what concerns me. The prosecutors elected not to front the superior officer. Why not?
It appears all of the officers involved in handling and processing the scene are being called to trial by the prosecutors, who are trying to show that the driver was given special treatment because he was the police. But they stopped short of calling this superior officer.
Is this another example of the double standard in CPD?
1/13/2012 11:08:00 AM
In my opinion NO it is not. If you worked for IBM and your boss had to be called out or had to respond to an incident in which you did something stupid, he/she would also say the same thing, that they will try to help you out as much as they can. There is no great conspiracy because a supervisor says that. Those words do not automatically mean that someone is willing to do something illegal or unethical for you. Lighten up.
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Then let the "superior officer" who made that comment get on the stand and explain exactly what he/she meant.
And btw, you sound a little nuts.
He was drunk and killed a kid...what part of this don't people understand? IF this had been some drunk gangbanger then we would all be calling for the asshole's head on a platter. This is not the old days anymore. How many coppers going to prison for reckless homicide do we need to see before it becomes clear. Don't drink and drive..it's that simple. If you have a problem and can't control yourself please seek help or reach out to someone who does. This can be avoided. And no I'm not new and yes I have been there. And only by the grace of God.
P.O. Randy Stevens, Dist. 018 said...
1/13/2012 09:28:00 AM Said.....
"Now I understand that you cannot refuse a direct order by a supervisor but
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You CAN refuse a direct order....
1. ordered to do something illegal
2. ordered to do something that is recklessly unsafe
Anonymous said...
Good old 022.
The worst of the worst.
1/13/2012 08:28:00 PM
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What does 022 have to do with it?? Learn the districts, dumbass!
Don't ever go to jail for something someone else did!!!
Why wasn't State called to handle the accident? Well, I know why but I just wanted to stir things up.
"According to court filings, an undisclosed superior officer was captured on the same squad car recording telling Bolling he would "try to help you out as much as possible," but that was not played Wednesday for jurors."
Of course, the superior officer was lying to get the defendant to say something incriminating. Done every day, called interrogation....and not illegal.
"I am sure the reason she is throwing bosses "under the bus" is because that will be the reason she and her attorney will use if she is fired.
What the hell... I would do the same thing if I got fucked by these MERIT CLOUT bosses.
1/13/2012 09:06:00 AM"
The Bosses threw themselves under the Bus when they found out The DUI Reckless Homcide offender was a Former Commanders Kids & started playing their usual let's minimize & try to cover his actions. Waiting 4 hours & it takes an IAD Sgt. to do the right thing?
As for all you clowns mf'ng the investigating officer on scene,
F You Too!!
"It is amazing to see how many times these goofs put "blank Supervisor onscene" or "r/o ordered by Sgt blank to place offender into custody". We have a large portion of PO's on this job who never should of took the job and should of left a long time ago. "
Of course Sgt.s never order POs to arrest people, write tickets, generate paper for nonsensical bullshit.We have a large portion of Supervisors who make up their own laws on a daily basis.
GFY sideways Sarge
"My question is why would anyone put an officer with no time on the job on a DUI of this magnitude?
What happened to the old farts in the district who were the go to DUI guys because they knew their stuff?"
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Where the fuck do you think the "old farts" went?
Out the fuckin' back door of 35th Street and into the sunset.
That's where I'm goin Jack.
FUCK this city!!!
sounds like a cover up
that wc will be fired
1/13/2012 10:13:00 AM
Yeah, sure.
What if this off duty Piece of Shit ran over and killed an Officer's child? Then who would you "help out" when you arrived to the scene? Fuck the drunk drivers. Fuck them.
STFU!!! You don't know what you are talking about and obviously get your information from the LIBERAL Shit Papers.....I heard the audio....Officer Bolling DID NOT KNOW HE HIT THE KID (HE KNEW HE HIT SOMETHING BUT NOT THE KID)when he was joking about his car and White Castles.
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What have YOU been drinking tonight? You're telling me a driver hits a kid on a bike and doesn't realize that he hit a kid on a bike, but realizes he hit "something?" And knowing he hit "something," just decided to keep rolling (down one-way streets, nonetheless)? You are a fucking tool if you believe that story. And cops NEVER lie, cheat, or steal, right?
Have the police in this city forgotten that they are under Federal Orders to Arrest any and all supervisors that give Illegal Orders?
1/13/2012 04:06:00 PM
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Have you been smoking crack?
My response: there is, I believe, a precedent already, where a P.O. refused the breathalyzer for the DUI criminal case, was ordered to blow administratively, and the ASA used that administrative blow result against him in the DUI courtroom, so just be aware that: 1-you must obey direct orders from supervisors or the Police Board can have you terminated for insubordination, and 2-the internal investigation MAY somehow end up being used against you by the ASA in court....I guess it depends on how aggressive the ASA is. We are held to a very high standard, higher than any other profession I know.
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A violation of a 5th amendment right if I ever saw one, Imagine anyone else. Case dismissed.
She is in CALL BACK?
Does anyone know the official reason she was placed in Call Back?
I am sure the reason she is throwing bosses "under the bus" is because that will be the reason she and her attorney will use if she is fired.
What the hell... I would do the same thing if I got fucked by these MERIT CLOUT bosses.
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Remember this is what the dept does to people responding and doing case reports to off duty coppers.
Strip and call back.
She could of called IAD herself, wrote the best case report in the world, testified great, did it by the book and the guy goes to prison, guess what.
she'd still be at call back, that is what the dept does when you fuck up, everyone else is fucked just by showing up.
Incidents involving an arrest of an off duty p.o. should be handled bu the district commander or XO on duty. Kinda like duping out an arrest to the tac team. That is why they make the big bucks and we get dumped on , now its their baby in court. Po's on scene are witnesses and in box 2 but ranking whiteshirt at time of incident needs to be in box one.
Before I retired, I had the street deputy order the supervisors on the scene of an incident to leave certain things out of their reports. He stated he wanted consistency in the reported facts. The detective division was on the scene and their commander agreed. Then the CR number came down. The street deputy, district commander, watch commander and field lieutenant all got time. The fact we were ordered to do something that seemed so innocent did not matter. The arbitrator threw out all of the suspensions with the exception of the street deputy. How can you refuse an order from a superior officer when it seems so innocent at the time and then it is monday morning quarterbacked into something else? Attorneys in court and IAD investigators can make even the most innocent actions look bad. The fact a watch commander told the officer that he would do everything he could to help the officer out, on its face sounds bad. Whether he did or not is the question.
Just A City Worker said...
""I was just following orders," she said".
Have the police in this city forgotten that they are under Federal Orders to Arrest any and all supervisors that give Illegal Orders?
1/13/2012 04:06:00 PM
Hey douchebag. Leave policing to police officers.
I read your bio. You favor ancient weapons, firearms and single malt scotch as well as fantasy roll playing games?
So Frodo, does your mother let you keep all that crap in the basement?
To all of you "workers" out there: the next time you hear a job of a T/C involving an ODPO who is DUI,make sure you volunteer to handle it. Otherwise STFU!!
1/13/2012 12:46:00
Well said. No one will even volunteer for a "regular" DUI crash! Except for the 2-3 DUI writers per district!
This is why I'm happy I'm a loser that drinks at home. I can get drunk, post on SCC, piss in my own clean bathroom, and walk fifteen feet to the bedroom to pass out. No driving, no iPhone cameras, no fights. Hell, I can even drink naked. Can you party animals say that?
I do not know the P.O. who wrote the paper, but all of you pompous jerks calling her an idiot need to STFU. She was new, clearly everyone there knew that, yet not one person manned up and said 'let me handle this' because they didn't want to touch that shitstorm of DUI'ing a copper with a 10 foot pole. Talk about what's wrong with the job today and point to the 'hairgels', what did any 'veteran' officer do to try to help? That is what is wrong with CPD, people think that they can do anything they want(DUI driver), people don't want to accept accountability, and absolutely no one wants to help anyone on this job. By the way, by 'help' I don't mean cover up a DUI that results in a dead kid, I mean one of you 'seasoned officers' including the partner, would stand up and try to help the P.O.
Shame on all of you who want to sit back and throw stones at this P.O., do you not remember being new? When you were new you did everything correctly? You weren't intimidated by bosses when you were new, right tough guys with 15yrs on the job?
It appears all of the officers involved in handling and processing the scene are being called to trial by the prosecutors, who are trying to show that the driver was given special treatment because he was the police.
what a shock that police would give special treatment to one of their own.
Get your facts right before you make statements. The family of the victim have no claim to taxpayers money as the officer was not working.
Given that the police dept went to such trouble to protect a drunk driver that killed someone, solely because he is a cop, I wonder how a jury would see it. I think most average citizens might well see it as a way to punish police for the preferential treatment often given each other that is extremely offensive to those of us never accorded such "professional courtesy".
You can rant and rave about it all you want, but the average citizen sees it as more evidence that the cops are just a different gang of thugs without respect for the law. It is not entirely true, and it is not quite that simple, but it is pretty easy to make the case.
And it is average citizens who are going to be deciding these things in court.
The bottom line is that protecting criminals just because they have a badge is not the way to win back the trust the citizens used to have in CPD that has long ago gone away.
I also understand that the clout thing is a separate issue and a case with an unclouted cop might have seen it handled differently. But that is a very fine point and most people are not going to see there is any real difference.
Not a cop.
"The fact that some stupid kid that should have been in the house is all just irrelevant now."
Unbelievable. Blame the victim. If the jerk who made that comment is a cop, please quit -- you are not worthy.
In this case involving the Officer i have first hand knowledge that his rights were violated from the start. Major accidents and IAD handed over the administrative file to the States Attorney(Before the officer was charged) to make their investigation easy. This came out in court on a motion were the ASA on the stand admitted she illegally obtained the file. Now after being briefed by the ASA in a trial prep the two officers change their testimony.
Not sure anyone put her in the position of handling the off duty DUI.
From what I read she stopped the off duty po in his car. It was her job as soon as she made the stop.
It appears she put herself in that position and who would want to handed that job after someone else made the stop
Hell, I can even drink naked. Can you party animals say that?
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Keesing bandit, this one's for you!
This is what happens when people get into stuff and don't know how to do the job. You run through the entire arrest before you sign anything and trust yourself. Even if you have to stand up for what you believe in. Because no one else is going to be there when you are going to loose your job and/or indicted. So what you are not in the likable click? at least you are doing the job and doing it well. You have to know what you are doing or you will end up embarrasing yourself in court. IAD is very clear when an officer is being investigated or getting stripped, YOUR JOB AS A P.O. IS TO ANSWER YOUR CALLS AND DO THE PAPER IF REQUIRED TO. Nothing else matters, not the BS evaluations since we got NO QUOTA and activity yeah they don't care about that. Just do the job to the best of your ability and DON'T LIE!!!! Don't comprise your truth for others and that way you don't have to recant your paper. You have to know how to testify in court and shouldn't be difficult if you are telling the truth! I'm sure the Watch Commander almost chocke on her drink when they heard the statement of p.o.
Did anyone ever helped this p.o. on how to do her job when testifying? that officer just opened the door for IAD to have a field day with them. IAD as it is always looking for ways to stay alive and be a pest. This is far from over and not pretty. The watch commander will survive, but the regular patrol officers yeah not so much.
I am one that looks at this job as a job with a paycheck and yet stay professional, when you see this job more than that, that sets you in for disappointment. There's no sisterhood and brotherhood in this department. So you don't have to see this job any perfect way just know what you are doing and if you don't, ask questions!! simple as that. I can't see this job more than a job with a paycheck because I hate what I have seen with the clickishness and useless bosses. Yeah and let's not talk about all the gossipers and people who talk big game, but don't know anything just the son or daughter of somebody. This job is very unstable and don't want to fall in love with it. One day we are here and the next we are out the door just like that, if that ever happens, at least I am mentality prepared because you can be the best cop, but that doesn't matter at the end. So do your job and do it well and focus on the next day.
Until we learn to be better between ourselves we stand a chance. We need to have that brotherhood/sisterhood, stop making others look bad and it doesn't mean let go of a drunken p.o just be there for each other when the right time comes and then this job will be better. If you have to process a drunken p.o. well it is sad, but still do your job and stick to the truth.
Anonymous said...
Unfortunately thats what you get when you have people on this job who look at this job as just a pay check.
There is no more proffesionalism. No more attention to detail and treating this job to what it is, a very serious occupation.
I look at the PO's hired in the last few years and I think they all believe they're still i high school.
This is why I'm happy I'm a loser that drinks at home. I can get drunk, post on SCC, piss in my own clean bathroom, and walk fifteen feet to the bedroom to pass out. No driving, no iPhone cameras, no fights. Hell, I can even drink naked. Can you party animals say that?
1/14/2012 11:31:00 AM
Thank you, for being a common sense winner.
Not a cop......but thinks he knows it all
I bet your relatives all try to sit at the other side of the table from you at holidays so they don't have to listen to your condescending crap.
Remember your name goes on the reports. It will be you who is called to testify. Grow some balls boys and girls, and cya.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
First and foremost. ANYTIME you have a drunk copper involved in a major incident, get the boss, then you are done. It sounds like this po majorly screwed up in court but her first screw up was having any part of the arrest. As a 9161 you absolutely should always refuse to have anything to do with the arrest of an PO. There are bosses trained for SFST & BAC and this is exactly the resaon why. In 15 years I have had 3 incidents when this proved to be true and it all worked out well in the end. And yes if you are intimidated by your boss then you should not be on the job.
1/13/2012 08:15:00 PM
Where do you work? Not CPD!
Rumor has it that the Breathalizer testing at Random Drug has been very successful. Running out of room at Callback.
I so do this myself too, love it!!! and guess what? No scandals...yay!!! If I drink I prefer to do it at home and be comfortable, pjs if so and warm. I hate to be freezing and in a loud place that you can't even hear anything. Going out is over rated. This comes from someone who partied like a Rock Star throughout college, but now have learned the smarter way to take it to another level and loving it!!! You can still drink and have fun, just do it at home and you even save money!!!
Anonymous said...
This is why I'm happy I'm a loser that drinks at home. I can get drunk, post on SCC, piss in my own clean bathroom, and walk fifteen feet to the bedroom to pass out. No driving, no iPhone cameras, no fights. Hell, I can even drink naked. Can you party animals say that?
What I hate is people who invite others who live far away and then get them messed up and expect them to drive far...that's just wrong. If you invite them, get them drinks then make sure you can host them for the night, sending them to drive just comprimises them. I hate when others can think of others, it's BS. I get so pissed off about that. That's why I don't go anywhere anymore. I hate that yeah we have a good time, but then I have to drive far and have to risk everything, yeah no thank you. Not worth it.
Sounds like b.b. the 3rd watch 019 RAT.
1/15/2012 01:09:00 PM &
1/15/2012 01:11:00 PM
Thank you, for your common sense posts too.
Hopefully, these posts and 1/14/2012 11:31:00 AM's will save some lives.
Found guilty by the jury today. I think we all know who's next up. Guessing the officer who was "ordered" to do and not do bunch of stuff. I hope they get her with rule 14!!
Anonymous said...
Found guilty by the jury today. I think we all know who's next up. Guessing the officer who was "ordered" to do and not do bunch of stuff. I hope they get her with rule 14!!
Really?! An officer with virtually no time on the "job" was given that job to handle. Maybe that officer does not have the clout you have,wherein you bitch to D/C or W/C to get what you want when you want it at the expense of your fellow officers. Since you are the "real police" the next time you hear a job come out concerning an ODPO,drive to the job and tell the zone you will handle it. Because if you have ever given a copper a break after stopping the copper YOU DID NOT do your job.
1/18/2012 04:34:00 PM
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