Strike Strike Strike
The Chicago Teachers Union says internal polling shows there is support for a strike if contract talks with Chicago Public Schools break down.
A new state law requires the union to get approval from 75 percent of its members before a strike, leading many to question if the union could muster support for a walkout.
CTU spokeswoman Stephanie Gadlin said members at several schools were polled.
"The preliminary results indicate that if a strike vote were held today, teachers in those schools would vote unanimously for a walkout," Gadlin said.
You know your members think you're really getting screwed in contract negotiations if you can get 75% of the membership to vote down an offer. That type of support is the stuff of legend.
Labels: city politics
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
54 Comments:
Good for them! This fucking country has gone to SHIT. Young people today aren't taught that it was union workers who built this country. I blame all if you parents whi don't remind your children this. I wish our union had the same balls.
If they strike the test scores will probably go up.
Where will CTU members get as sweet a deal as they have right now? Shortest big city school year, shortest school day, among the highest paid big city districts...
There isn't a single district in the United States muchless Illinois where they can get the same deal. The proof is they do not send their kids to the system they work in, but you look at suburban districts like Palatine, Naperville, Downers Grove you find the Teachers ending their kids to the schools they teach in.
a CPS teacher told me that her school voted around 90% to strike
Well, if there is a strike, that means no children in school. No children in school should mean no speed cameras, right Rahmmy??
I hope they do it. They are one of the only unions that can strike and have it hurt the administration. I'd like to see Streets & San strike too. When people's garbage starts stacking up, especially in the summer, the alderthieves and 9.5 will be hearing it big time.
6000 retiring from CPS this year.
I have to say I can't blame them if they strike, but you better believe Rahm will kiss their jobs good by if they do. He will fire all of them and replace them ASAP. Rahm won't put up with them.
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State's new website The Ledger details Illinois' unpaid bills to the tune of almost $6 billion - yes that is billions. THAT AMOUNT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MEDICAID PAYMENTS OWED TO HOSPITALS AND PROVIDERS - BET THAT DOUBLES THE AMOUNT. Who's keeping a lid on those numbers and why?
It will never happen. Rahm will call their bluff and they will cave. The union busting measure was a thing of beauty. By changing the burden to 75% for. Strike he in affect made a teachers strike illegal.
If CTU teachers are anything like CPD they will have enough strokes who will vote not to strike in order to keep some personal perk.
F**kem, they voted for this guy, hahaha,hows your standup routine doing now karen?
Almost 90 percent on average voted yes on pre autherization vote. No raise, longer hours without pay/or any form of compensation,and testing based merit pay. No problem w merit pay if teachers can use entry scores at begining of the year and then exit scores at end of year. When students come in scoring 12 to 15 on ACT pretests and score 13 to 16 after the year is over, it is still sub par. = "no soup for you!" Magnet and selective schools get students coming in with 15 to 18 on pretests, or the students don't get in (lane, north side, walter payton). Why should a teacher at austin or kp get paid less. They acctually have a harder job. Also, teachers do not get paid year round. They get two hundred or so a check in differed comp. Its not money for nothing. Although summers are nice, they receive back pay which the city keeps and earns intereest on longer than if they gave the teachers their full amount every pay period. Good luck sticking it to the raccoon!
Resign Shields
Police cannot strike per contract and city and state law. Advocate or carry out a strike and you will get fired.
But we can support others who do have that right...
The best thing that could happen to the Chicago Public School system would be if that same 75% would leave and they would hire all new teachers who are fresh and motivated.
Based on the product they produce, if they were compared to a manufacturing company - over 50% never graduate and in the other 50% maybe 20% are functional to get a job.
80% waste. No company could stay in business with 80% defective product.
NO COMPANY.
who was the genius who decided to tell the media that they were going to try and reduce the pensions of teachers that are already retired--- what a dipshit--- are they planning on stealing benefits from teachers who are already retired to pay teachers who are still working---
I teach in a CPS high school. Two weeks ago, our union reps held an informal poll of those teachers who would support a strike. 95% did, myself included. 47 extra minutes per day at $3.00 per hour is bad enough(elementary teachers have it worse). What's really bad, however, is the city's merit pay idea: raises are tied to increased standardized test scores. The city refuses to acknowledge that there are factors outside of the classroom that affect student performance.
And to think Rahm ask the hard working,law abiding tax paying citizens not to take their children out of CPS.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!
FOP just hired the law firm who represents bus drivers to negotiate our contract....it would be funny if it were not true.
Anonymous said...
Good for them! This fucking country has gone to SHIT. Young people today aren't taught that it was union workers who built this country. I blame all if you parents whi don't remind your children this. I wish our union had the same balls.
4/04/2012 12:08:00 AM
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No doubt some good has come from unionization, but please don't give the unions credit for building this country. The country was mostly built long before the unions came on the scene in the early to mid 20th Century. Notice too, that now that their real objectives have largely been accomplished, their influence is greatly diminished. Maybe they tried to go too far??
In other union news
American Airlines filed bankruptcy a short time ago and is currently asking the bankruptcy judge to cancel all of it's union contracts.
Guess they'll get that money for the rising fuel prices and new runways at Ohare out of the pilots, flight attendants, and mechanics wages eh?
And AT&T union employees, the CWA is set to strike as soon as this weekend as their contracts expire.
All in all with the wage and benefits cuts coming, as they come the related lost tax revenue comes with it. The wealth is concentrated even further within the corporate elite class of our society that demands not to be taxed because "they create the so-called much needed jobs"
Social Security is a myth.
So are the public pensions.
Illinois public pensions are owed close to $100 billion dollars in the TRS alone. It's going to get ugly when all these people realize the lies they have been told.
Heh..I have to laugh about SCC's other post too talking about gentlemen's agreements working 10-99.
Look at your pension agreements that are written and signed and are being made a mockery of and you let it all slide and you really think that a gentalmens agreement is going to be honored? Gimme a break.
The so-called jobs being created are not living wage jobs and therefore are not going to support the pension and healthcare system. The living wage jobs have been outsourced to Asia.
Watch for the cost of living adjustment cuts that they will enact on current retirees.
Healthcare expense right now are rising faster than the cost of living adjustments in the pensions and now they will take the COLA's out and accelerate the push into poverty for the retirees.
So what are people that are retired going to buy when they have no disposable income?
No, cars, Iphones, Ipads, HDTV's, etc.. There will be no travel with $5/gal gas.
Can't even sell the house as there's no market for it.
The college kids that would normally be looking to buy upon graduation already signed their life away with six-figure student loan debt that will last their entire career as they work in their WalMart-like jobs or mayor Rahm's $18/hour poverty welfare food stamp qualifying welding jobs. What bank is going to loan them money?
Seriously, think about all the people that have been foreclosed upon. Millions of them. Some filed bankruptcy and they'll be shut out of the housing market for seven to ten years too with their credit record.
Capitalism is collapsing from greed and corruption.
The only thing that is holding this economy up is fake demand for products and services created by government borrowing.
For the last three months alone Washington ran up a $350 billion dollar debt which will translate into about a $1.4 trillion dollar debt for the year should the spending continue at this rate.
That spending is close to 10% of this nations GDP. The borrowing is creating 10% of the economic demand, fake demand for goods and services...what do you suppose will happen when we stop borrowing?
It's a damn race to the bottom.
My guess is the city wants a teacher strike. Let it go on for a few months, claim poverty and make the teachers the bad guys for cheating the students out of their education.
In any case, so little education is going on in the CPS that it is likely not to matter all that much on the actual education side of things.
1259am
You must be one of those strokes 0204am is talking about. With an attituude like that- that is why rham can get his way. The whole city is. Scared shitless of The little twerp! Cicvil disobedience is the greatest tool. Think about st paddys day on clark. You can't stop it you can only hope to contain it. Teachers have laws to protect them when they strike. Be on the lookout for scabs.
To 1210am that is the old at least I have a job mantality. That's what gets us jammed up. Just. Because things could. Be worse, doesn't mean they shouldn't get better.
Anonymous said...
Police cannot strike per contract and city and state law. Advocate or carry out a strike and you will get fired.
But we can support others who do have that right...
4/04/2012 04:04:00 AM
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Laws are just a matter of opinion.
What makes this law right?
According to the union contract shouldn't the pension funding be higher than it is today?
Who gave them the power to pick and choose that this contract clause is okay to follow and the other one is not?
The political apparatus picks and chooses which laws they want to enforce at a whim all the time.
The laws are applied differently according to your social-economic clout status.
How many illegal immigrants are running around this sanctuary city. No green card, No drivers licensed, no insurance, no soc-sec card...
How many investment bankers are still walking free after robo-signing fraudulent court affidavits, making liar loans, misrepresenting investment vehicles, running a ponzi scam racket?
How many CFD captains get away with felony assaults on a PO?
This is why respect for authority is going right down the tubes.
i was on long enough to remember the time fire dept. struck under Jane Byrne,the bosses and house cats on the cpd swore they would never strike and we told them of course you wont, you would anger your clout,the fire dept bosses went out with their men, thats loyalty in fact the union head did the most noble thing i ever saw, he went to jail for what he beleived in and did time in the county,now could you see the tact,dicks,special units on this job going out on strike of course not, firemen stuck together, cops screw each other and are extremly jealous,
Shields is very busy...He also works for Rahm as an personal chef...He tosses Rahm's salad every day.
Thanks for the support CPD.
After talking to a teacher in the family about this 30/ raise, the press once again fudges numbers. CTU is asking for their 4 percent raise a year for the next 5 years. This was denied from last contract due to emergency for the last 2-3 years. The 2/ increase would cover compensation for the extra time they e EXPEXCT to get paid for. So 4x5 is 20/ plus 2x5 is 10/. Whala- those greedy teachers want a 30/ raise. Oh yea, crime is down Too. Keep fudging numbers rham. Between the press and constat we "can't handle the truth!" Maybe we should order the "Code Red!"
Taxpayer said...
The best thing that could happen to the Chicago Public School system would be if that same 75% would leave and they would hire all new teachers who are fresh and motivated.
Based on the product they produce, if they were compared to a manufacturing company - over 50% never graduate and in the other 50% maybe 20% are functional to get a job.
80% waste. No company could stay in business with 80% defective product.
NO COMPANY.
4/04/2012 07:36:00 AM
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Yes! Blame the teachers!
It's their fault so many of their students have
no work ethic,
no sense of personal responsibility,
no manners,
no respect for their peers or their elders,
no common sense,
no support in their one-parent home,
no ambition,
no aspirations...
Because this could not possibly be the job of the child's PARENTS, or FAMILY.
Teachers cannot overcome every student's background and upbringing, or the lack thereof.
Anonymous said...
If they strike the test scores will probably go up.
Where will CTU members get as sweet a deal as they have right now? Shortest big city school year, shortest school day, among the highest paid big city districts...
There isn't a single district in the United States muchless Illinois where they can get the same deal. The proof is they do not send their kids to the system they work in, but you look at suburban districts like Palatine, Naperville, Downers Grove you find the Teachers ending their kids to the schools they teach in.
4/04/2012 12:10:00 AM
Just the like overpaid police officers and firefighters? The CPS extende their schedule 2 hours every day and added 10 days to the work year and removed some holidays. They cut benefits and raised health care. All items are protected by a contract which Rahm ignored. Just remember this when CPD negiotates their contract. At least the teachers have the balls to take a strike vote instead of complaining on a blog.
The teachers union said no and took a vote. What will the CPD do? You think the FOP will do any job action?
Taxpayer said...
The best thing that could happen to the Chicago Public School system would be if that same 75% would leave and they would hire all new teachers who are fresh and motivated.
Based on the product they produce, if they were compared to a manufacturing company - over 50% never graduate and in the other 50% maybe 20% are functional to get a job.
80% waste. No company could stay in business with 80% defective product.
NO COMPANY.
4/04/2012 07:36:00 AM
Hey that is a great idea. let us get rid of the old time officers and hire thousands of hair gels? Blame te teachers who have gang bangers, learning disabled kids in class you asshole. They are not miracle workers. CPD is next.
I teach in a CPS high school. Two weeks ago, our union reps held an informal poll of those teachers who would support a strike. 95% did, myself included. 47 extra minutes per day at $3.00 per hour is bad enough(elementary teachers have it worse). What's really bad, however, is the city's merit pay idea: raises are tied to increased standardized test scores. The city refuses to acknowledge that there are factors outside of the classroom that affect student performance.
4/04/2012 08:35:00 AM
Merit pay is the city's answer for making them look good. Just like the CPD's Con-stat, lie to make the numbers look good, lie to make the test score's better then they appear and get your extra money. The powers that be could care less, it's all about how they look. They are more concerned with impressing the sheep because they are the one's who vote for them. They are all over the news promoting themselves and telling everyone how great they are. If you use the local media outlets for the truth you are a fool and deserve what you get.
F**kem, they voted for this guy, hahaha,hows your standup routine doing now karen?
4/04/2012 02:48:00 AM
What are you talking about? They didn't endorse him...and never seemed to like him.
I keep trying to tell coppers to shut their mouths about the teachers...you are a hypocrite to support the police but think teachers are getting over. I know a few people, including myself, who considered teaching before being the police. And guess what??? Decided to take my chance with the nutjobs on the street than the cage matches in the school. My father in law, sister in law and a lot of our friends are teachers. They take more blame than coppers. Coppers get blamed b/c of an ois and people say it was unnecessary. Teachers get blamed for every CPS kid, no matter how truant he was, that can't read. I went to CPS. My teachers were great but our funding was a joke...hence the huge whole in our auditorium ceiling the whole time I was there.
I'm retired CPD. I'm also from a family of educators, including, CPS. How many times in your police career have you told Willy Lump Lump, the Gospel truth and it has made a meaningful difference that has been brought into and embraced by their lifestyle? Think about it! You were the educator! It was probably one on one or one on two at the most. Did it get an A+ result? Or just a 19P? Now think of 30 in a classroom. We are doomed.
We still have guys with 25+ years on ,coming in EVERYDAY with multiple Parker's and Mover's. They want to protect the "spot" that nobody wants. Truly a bunch of pussies and the first to hit the Medical before May.
Do we have the same strike provision. I would love to see this shit blow up!
Hope they strike and watch the Agg Batts of Juvies skyrocket!
7:36 am :If you are the police you better think twice about this equation.
The City and our society as a whole refuse to address the most obvious reasons many Children in CPS are failing to learn. There is often little support for education for many children in their homes. Add the stress of poverty and children giving birth to children and it is no wonder the schools are failing.
Add to that that in the poorest and most violent neighborhoods in the city, many children with special needs are undiagnosed and do not recieve necessary special ed services. This results in teachers having to manage extreme disruption and behavior problems in their classes, making it difficult to maintain control in the classroom, let alone teach effectively.
The idea that teachers should be accountable for the progress of students when CPS fails to provide appropriate classroom support is ludicrous. For example, on the IEP's, CPS is no longer allowing an aide to be assigned to help a child with special needs "stay on task" while in the regular classroom. CPS says the regular classroom teacher should be able to keep the student "on task." So, now the teacher not only has to teach and manage the unlabeled children with special needs, but they also need to manage and teach children with special needs who may need individual help to stay on task in the regular classroom. My son's school as 40+ children in some classrooms without a classroom aide.
I hope the CPS teachers can pull off a strike if necessary. They are getting the shaft.
To the idiot who compares a school system with a manufacturing company:
When a company produces a product, the people making the product have 100% control over that product from the very beginning to the end. Does the product go into the homes of gang bangers every night before it is completed? No it doesn't. It stays in the factory and when the makers return the next day it is as exactly as it was when the makers left it. But when students go home they all go into different environments and they do not return the next day, over the weekend, or over the summer as the same product they left. Education testing measures a students progress based on what they learned in school and what they've learn outside of school. Students who learn nothing outside of school do not keep pace with kids who learn outside of school. If your company had it products go to the homes of low-income families for the night do you honestly think your products would return in the same state or better?? I don't think so. So stop comparing education to companies like the uneducated idiot you are. Completely different.
Please believe Racoon Eyes wants a teachers strike. He wants to break the back of the teachers union and scare the shit out of the rest of the unions. This little perverted criminal jagoff has no sense of decency or honor and will pick this fight even if he thinks he will lose. His kids won't miss school. So what!
Asking to be paid for a 24% increase in scheduled hours is NOT a raise! If we work more hours, we deserve to be paid for more hours.
But if we don't put in the speed trap cameras then maybe we'll actually get some kids run over and the classrooms will be less crowded then and we can save!
Saving is good!
And remember too...if more kids get run down by a speeding cars that's one less kid getting shot and just think how good that is going to make the Con-Stats reports look.
Hey. crime is down!
See..we're doing it wrong.
/sarcasm
First Rahm came for the teachers and I did not speak out because I was not a teacher.
Then he came for CPD and I did not speak out because I was not a cop.
Then he came for the CFD and I did not speak out because I was not a fireman.
Then he came for Streets and San and and I did not speak out because I was not a garbage man.
Then Rahm came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Never forget your union brothers and sisters.
Taxpayer said...
The best thing that could happen to the Chicago Public School system would be if that same 75% would leave and they would hire all new teachers who are fresh and motivated.
Based on the product they produce, if they were compared to a manufacturing company - over 50% never graduate and in the other 50% maybe 20% are functional to get a job.
80% waste. No company could stay in business with 80% defective product.
NO COMPANY.
4/04/2012 07:36:00 AM
The product they produce? The majority of the kids are so damaged when they get to school that they have no chance. Whoever wrote this is a complete pussy and very non union.
No company would stay in business with an 80% defective product.....
Even Yugo Automobile Company would have used better raw materials than CPS gets in the form of students and family. Stick your comparison in a dark place.
Its all about tenure and seniority They should strike, how would the CPD feel if your XO or commander could fire you because they didnt feel you were doing a good job. When they take away tenure and seniority, the principal can do that
We must stand together! I am a CPS teacher. My husband is a CPS teacher. My father is a Retired Chicago Police Officer. I have one child in a CPS school. My family has spent their lives serving the people of Chicago. Do not turn your back on the working middle class of this city!
Let this City burn in MAY...my enemies enemy is my friend!!
Anonymous said... I have to say I can't blame them if they strike, but you better believe Rahm will kiss their jobs good by if they do. He will fire all of them and replace them ASAP. Rahm won't put up with them.
4/04/2012 12:59:00 AM
Yea...that combined with the mayhem of NATO, not going to happen. The most dangerous person is one with nothing to lose sir.
"To 1210am that is the old at least I have a job mantality. That's what gets us jammed up. Just. Because things could. Be worse, doesn't mean they shouldn't get better."
4/04/2012 10:35:00 AM
Say what???
Teachers are just cops with no guns.
If they go on strike, can we finally shut down the schools/pre-prison holding centers? Sell the buildings and allow parents to deduct the cost of educating their children (private school/home school/whatever) up to the amount that CPS spends per pupil per year?
The teachers can then get jobs or open private schools (IL has some of the least restrictive private school requirements). win/win
The state spends less money warehousing the kids. I get to use my money to send my child to a school where she will not get raped in the bathroom. More tax money for the mayor to spend stuffing ballot boxes for Obama.
CPS is the laughing stock of the entire country. Only private schools will have the option to exercise restrictive enrollment to assure staff and student safety.
This isn't a union issue. It is asking humans to accomplish the impossible task of educating savage animals while pretending that everyone comes to school each day with the same abilities and a basic working class or better home life. That is not the case. Stop throwing good money after bad.
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