Rahm's "Reforms"
- Drawing a huge union outcry, Mayor Rahm Emanuel Tuesday proposed freezing pension increases for retirees, raising the retirement age and hiking employees’ retirement contributions. a move that he said would keep the city’s underfunded pension systems solvent and avert a property-tax hike of as much as 150 percent.
“The moment of truth has arrived,” Emanuel told the Illinois House as he outlined the bitter pill that union leaders have long anticipated.
Making his first trip to the statehouse as mayor, Emanuel made his own pitch for pension reform, lending a powerful voice to pension scale-backs sought at the state level by Gov. Pat Quinn and top lawmakers before the General Assembly is set to end its spring session by month’s end.
But the mayor’s push threatened to set back his tenuous relationship with labor unions, whose leaders criticized him Tuesday for breaking his word by failing to brief them about his plan ahead of time and engaging in scare tactics meant to alarm city workers and taxpayers.
As noted, Rahm backdoored the unions by shutting them out of the entire process. He also engages in bullshit scare tactics by threatening to raise property taxes when nothing is stopping him from using "red light camera" fines or proceeds from the sale of Midway to shore up obligations - contractual obligations he and the City Council refuse to meet despite signed agreements.
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posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
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Someone needs to go on strike and show this little fuck that he isn't the be-all and end-all ruler of the universe. I'd like to see Streets and San call a strike and let the garbage pile up in July. Maybe the Teachers Union goes on strike in September. Someone. Anyone. I hate the democRATs.
The only intelligent thing he said was that employees contributions need to go up. With people living longer, and maxing out for pension benefits earlier it was bound to happen. Especially considering it hasnt increased in over thirty years.
Of course Mayor Daley's criminal pension will still receive the cost of living adjustment.
Only in chicago would a person thats at least partially responsible for this pension mess be elected Fop president and still serve on the pension board and continue to screw it up. Thanks Mike!
All you dummies guarding 4228 N Hermitage are a bunch of sell out pussies. Fuck RAHM and his family...show some pride and get with the program regardless of "its a nice gig". Don't expect anyone to respond to a 10-1 when you call the Command Post on your cell phone as ordered dummies.
he proposed age to collect for police and fire =60 years old. thats some old and brittle cops and firemen sticking around collecting max salary...
"..But the mayor’s push threatened to set back his tenuous relationship with labor unions, whose leaders criticized him Tuesday for breaking his word by failing to brief them about his plan ahead of time and engaging in scare tactics meant to alarm city workers and taxpayers..."
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"...Breaking his word..."
and this is a surprise? What are you guys smoking?
if you want to start balancing your budget you go after all the leeches who don't work and get everything for free--- 30 percent of the population of illinois is on medicare--- entitlements are killing chicago and illinois--- instead of going after all of your city and state employees who get up and go to work everyday you need to start taking away all the freebies for all these slugs who never work and have no intention to ever work--- I haven't heard rahmbo or potato head talking about reducing welfare benefits...
For all you dumb asses that were sooo freaking happy to see him Sunday, wake up and realize he was only there to mentally ass slam us!
“The moment of truth has arrived”
Truth. There's something that most politicians know nothing about.
"For the children"
"Not a dime"
"...nothing is stopping him from using "red light camera" fines or proceeds from the sale of Midway to shore up obligations - contractual obligations he and the City Council refuse to meet despite signed agreements."
Isn't there also a state law requiring the funding of these pensions?
Something else not standing in the way of Emanuel's personal agenda.
How about paying the fair fucking share that governer potato head told you to pay! Its not our fault that daley refused to pay up when the economy was good! Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. You had many, many years to pay your share. We paid our share every check.
We have become the 9%'er's. We gave 9% to that pension because we trusted this city and trusted it would be part of our retirement plan. Now we are close to having a Mayor take this retirement plan and drastically change it. And we as the Chicago Police are treated like this? There never is any justice for our members, in any way, shape, or form. We get an obligatory "atta-boy" every once in a while, when things go bad and we step up to the plate and deliver, as usual. But all in all, the citizenry and politicians hate us. We will be going up to the plate in a week or so for these citizens and politicians. again. B As usual. We are the 9 percenters!
SCC check this crock of BS on CLTV News. McJersey said, CPD can handle five thousand arrests. Really????
McCarthy tells WGN that depending on where a person is arrested, they will be sent to the nearest police district for processing. He also said the old Western and Belmont station, Area 3 police headquarters, would be the likely detention center for mass arrests.
He went on to say that the Chicago police department can handle 5,000 arrests in the system.
so the rahminator little pipsqueek mayor wants to save our pension fund,at our expense,screw the retirees, ten yrs no cola. whats next? no insurance, pension reductions. madigan and cross praise his plan, cross saying they have to get this done this month. we better wake up people.fop and union leaders better start ordering some chartered buses. thats the only thing these forking crooked politicians respect. mass protest all retirees unite march on springfield, and city hall.yea rahm marching at st jude, while he is sticking the knife in our backs. this should be no suprise to any of us. but we should give him the biggest suprise when we shut down city hall. signed recently retired.
......do you finally get it? All that pep talk, the coming to St. Jude and shaking hands, has pushed the knife deeper into each and every coppers back. If I say anything more, they might arrest me.
Not only does he want to completely dump this whole thing on the backs of the city workers but he also wants to suspend city contributions until this is "resolved", a.k.n.a. Rahm getting his way. WTF? This guy is pure evil.
I've said it before and I'll say it again this prick has no intention of shoring up our pension funds. He mentions past politicians not honoring their end of the bargain as part of the problem yet he's taking that to the nth degree!
Now he's throwing in the old stand by "for the children"
He's saying if we don't give Rahm his way we're mortgaging our children's future. Afterall it is Rahms way or the highway!
Here's a thieving bastard who enriched himself immensely using his White House connections to the tune of $18-20 million and he's hell bent on destroying the modest pensions city works have earned and deserve. What a two timing hypocritical asshat!
He has no intention of fixing the unfixable.
Pensions, like soc. Sec. & medicare, are a ponsi scheme that will bring down government as we know it. Under funded by BILIONS as 10,000 babyboomers A DAY retire.....good luck !
The sale of city ( taxpayer owned ) assets is an attempt to loot before inevetable bankruptcy.
The PROMISES made to us have been LIES and those in govt. have known this for some time now.
Do the math.
REPEAL GOLD BRAID PENSIONS! It's nothing more than legalized bribery to political favorites, many of whom are as dumb and inept as a box of rocks.
He showed up to St. Jude's thats all that matters, quit bitching about the pension already. He knows whats best for us and the city.
If they make the minimum age 55 today in 2 years it will be 60. If they stop cola for 10 years it will never come back. We can trust them look at how they have kept up their end so far by paying their amount every year.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Boys and girls this ship is sinking, if a ship is sinking its best to get off it. Well look on the bright side you can't take time do anymore so at least you will be able to cash that in when you retire.
Rahm's timing is impeccable! The week before NATO with thousands of protesters descending upon the city, he tells us that we have to pay more and work longer while the city will still withhold their payments.
In the meantime, remember to withhold taking any action unless ordered to do so by a supervisor.
Where is all the outrage from the unions like there was with Scott Walker ? Where is all the democrats leaving town in protest ? Where are the cries for recall ? Dear union members Illinois is the red-est state in the country and Chicago is the base of the democrats in control and this is how they treat unions. At least with the evil republicans you know where you stand and with them taxes and fee's would be lower, at least they have some respect for your gun rights.
It's OK Rahm, I'll just keep Workin til I can't walk anymore then collect 2 pension checks and drop dead.
That's what you want right?
Why don't you start thinking of the City employees welfare instead of the deadbeat, non-tax paying voter you asshole.
This whole system is about to collapse under the weight of the boomers. 10,000 people entering the workforce everyday was expansion. What we are experiencing now is contraction.
Imagine everyday 10,000 people pull out of the stock market, put their house up for sale and stop paying income tax & contibuting to pension systems.
The trend will be workers paying more and retirees getting less.
So Mayor's first lobbying trip to Springfield was to get the millionaires at Merc a tax break? Now his second trip is to cut modest pensions of the middle class police officers, firefighters and teachers?
How many meetings did he attend at Freddie Mac and how much was he paid again?
If they put a a ten year "pause" on cost of living for cops and fireman and teachers then it must be linked to a clause that it will only occur if there is a ten year "pause" in cost of living increases to social security. Same for increases to retirement age and employee contributions. Link it to social security.
WAKE UP GUYS! Time to truly make a stand.
The retirees will also take it on the chin next year when the City's contributions for health insurance are renegoiated.
Workers are not reliable Democratic votes so workers can be thrown under the bus.
Link card recepiants are reliable Democratic voters, so they will be rewarded!
If the city hasn't met its pension obligations why no lawsuit? Why not shame Rahm like a baby daddy with billboards?
The retirement age for police and fire used to be 57. It was raised in the early 80', incrementally. The retirement age has to go up in order to save the fund, just as contributions have to be raised. There is no cola for police and fire, but a flat amount set at 3% of your first year retirement. The alderman and mayor have a real cola that is compounded. The naysayers about the mayors plan have every right to be angry at the political class who caused this crisis. But something has to be done and they cannot and will not raise taxes high enough to save the funds and there is no state law that says they have to. Each pension fund stands alone and the funds can go bankrupt and will be able to pay out only what they take in. That means each retireee will only get a portion of what they should get and that could be under 50%. If you don't like this plan then come up with one of your own and make it realistic. And, yes, there should be no gold braid pensions and only one pension per person lifetime.
throw residency at the city, they are changing the rules so should we!
When you were down in Springfield did you request pension reform for the mayor and aldermen? Lets stop the free lunches and breakfasts at schools. Lets stop putting new flowers in all the planters 3 times a year. In fact, what was spent on planters while the City underfunded pensions. LETS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ALDERMEN TO 22...ONE PER POLICE DISTRICT. Lets take a "TIF FUND" holiday similar to what the state did with pension contributions and divert TIF funds to underfunded pensions...... RHAM will not even try to come up with alternate solutions. He will keep beating the same drum until he gets exactly what he wants.
Cut the salaries of the Gold Braids AND the MAyor AND the Aldermen and start looking at public aid and SSI. THIS is crazy crap! I just retired and now the stress of all of this will kill me. Screw you RAM!!!
There's a Chicago Cop/Deployed Marine that can't even pay intoi the pension now City snd FOP are not helping him
Hellow Media
Raise retirement age to 67? Gee ... I'm 65. Can I come back????
Take a look who introduced the legislation. None other than State Senator John Mulroe who happens to represent the largest population of CPD and Firefighters active and retired in his district. Oh and he also voted for the state income tax increase! Way to go democrats. This guy represents us 1st responders and is sticking it right in our faces. State Senator John Mulroe IS NOT your friend! He is a puppet for the democratic machine. The sad part is that no republican is running against him!
There still is a chance to get a republican on the ballot to run against him. Any questions contact CPDfor2011@yahoo.com
Isn't there also a state law requiring the funding of these pensions?
Something else not standing in the way of Emanuel's personal agenda.
5/09/2012 01:23:00 AM
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Yes there is. Just as there were laws requiring that the city and state put in their contributions over the last 20 years. Laws that were tweaked and changed by lawmakers every time they wanted to not make the required contributions. Laws changed by the same politicians (Madigan and his ilk) who now say that the burden should be borne by the retirees. And all of this in an election year where pols can tell a constituency pissed off by a bad economy that "we are fixing the pensions" conveniently leaving out the fact that they (the state legislature and city council) rubber stamped changes to state and local law which allowed them not to make, or delay making payments required by law. All the while voting salary and pension increases for themselves and their connected cronies.
Can someone ask a politician to tell the populace where the money went that was supposed to go toward the pensions? I mean dollar by dollar. Don't accept an answer like "we used it to improve services or infrastructure". Tell us where every cent went. Then maybe Joe the voter will understand that this mess was not caused by the retirees whom politicians are so quick to demonize.
One last point: I am a police retiree. I had earned my social security benefits before I came on the job at the age of 33. They want to take the COLA away for ten years to help square the books? Ok Rahm how about this: go to DC and appear before the US senate finance chair and tell them how unfair it is that I got screwed out of my EARNED social security benefits. Get me my full payout, not the 20% that Rosty ensured for me. If you and your fellow pols are so interested in being fair to the taxpayers, help me out. After all, I'm a taxpayer too!
Gold braid pensions are pure theft of tax payer money. these huge clout only pensions are pure greed and fraud, before we go broke in Chicago stop this graft and especially cease and desist allowing double and triple dipping government pensions starting with Daley and all his cronies on the Police Dept and Fire Dept and of course the Aldermen! one pension under six figures is enough for real policemen and firefighters; surely more than deserved by our politically wired bosses thruout city departments. And yes the revenue can come from many sources other than raising property taxes. Clearly Rahm is foolishly thinking he can fool Chicago tax payers, get real Rahm, cuts from excessive and endless welfare programs are long overdue. Where is the federal investigation into Daley/Madigan crews. Scratch the surface the evil truths will come tumbling out....follow the contracts to vendors/follow the money...you can't miss. By the way thanks to the men and women who still put the uniforms on and do the jobs right in the public every day, you are the best!
As a city tradsman I understand the problems with the pensions. But before the democrooks say one fucking word about my pension that I've worked for. Cut EVERY fucking cent to illegal aliens. Cut link by %20. And tackle the massive fraud within the program. I refuse to accept paying extra for ghetto breeders indiscriminately popping out kids for the extra benefits. Otherwise watch your six motherfuckers.
Anyway you look at it, the pension system is screwed. So blame the right people, get them out of office, both government and union, and reform the system. They can raise taxes and put in as many speed cameras as they want, but that won't change a thing if the system is left as is.
First thing, send these union leaders who played the system to get pensions they didn't pay in to, send them to jail.
Next, limit the pensions of these crony political hacks, including the alderman and their secretaries. From Beavers to Oshea, they've gamed the system and quietly passed legislation giving themselves undeserved, multiple pensions.
Finally, keep your pensions separated out from being combined and run by government agencies who steal them. Hire independent, retirement advisers to administrate the pensions you pay in to.
You need to come to terms with raising the retirement age, or at least the age at which you can begin to collect your pension. Negotiate realistic pension payouts, not pie in the sky returns. Hold your union reps and elected government official responsible! Stop lining up to re-elect the same joker time after time, and then his son, daughter, and nephew.
Take a hard look at what is happening in Greece and the rest of Europe, because its going to happen here, state by fiscally irresponsible state. You can't spend what you don't have after the credit limit is reached. You can't print more $$$ without destroying purchasing power. You can't expect anyone to keep working or running businesses if the taxman keeps taking a bigger chunk to pay someone else s bills.
We are at the end of the line. Fix it now, take the pain and get over the hump, or be prepared to be destitute.
And you guys used to think Daley was a jagoff. Any of you fuckers who shook his hand and took a picture with him should really think about resigning. We don't fucking need you.
I know that we have a "No Strike" clause in our contract and we, as police, won't strike because of it BUT if the leaders of this city do not honor thier obligations and disregard their responsibilities then why do we have to?
But then again, you can't get three guy's to decide where to go to lunch so I doubt if a strike would be organized.
My 2 cents
Anybody who won't or advocates not responding to a 10-1 (1233am) is a real asshole.........I'd bet you are already your dstrict's shitbird
do all you cowboys out there still feel like tvb'ing everyone and impounding all those cars--- keep generating all that revenue for rocky racoon while he bends you over the barrel and shoves it in all the way dry....
After more than 40 years, on the JOB I have finally picked a date to retire, I turn 63 in Jan. My last day at the 010th District will be 1 June 2012 the same place I started. I like all other Officers have PAID into the Pension system, we had no choice the City of Chicago took it out before we got our check. What the news papers, reporters and even the Editorial pages have not reported is that the city has NOT paid their part into the Pension fund. This and the fact that the Pension Fund made some bad investments with Venecko and other connected people is the real reason the Chicago Police Pension Fund is underfunded. The Teachers, firefighters and other City workers are in the same boat. I am tired of the the elected officals telling the public how it is our fault that the Pensions fund are short. They are short because both Daley's didn't pay into the City's Pension funds like the city was required to do. I went to Springfield the last time with FOP and am willing to go again. Yes, I am still a member of FOP I am a strong Union supporter. I can remember when Police didn't have unions under Daley #1. Don't let the city scare everyone about the Pension problem. It's not because we didn't pay into it, it's because the city didn't pay thier part. When you get the chance to tell someone about the real reason the Pensions Funds are short tell them the truth. Oh, and I forgot some of the reasons we are so short in the city Pension funds is because elected Officials keep changing the way they get thiers. Daley and city Council. Be safe and take care hope to see eeryone at NATO.
While raising the cops contribution from 9% to 14% the city gets to stop making any payments into the pension. Huh? Am I missing something here? This little corrupt bastard will destroy our pension for sure. The pension could be fixed if EVERYBODY made sacrifices. Politicians will take care of their own little nestegg and fuck everybody else. Dirty criminal bastards!
Uh - oh there goes my $132.00 a yr raise. Blood sucking 9 1/2 fingered mayor. I hope it covers his deficit.
Freezing the COLA for ten years? You mean get rid of it. Most of us only get our city pension check and 40% of our SS. That thanks to Danny Rostenkowski. The 3% COLA at least gives us a little help trying to keep us with rising expenses. Lets find out if the politicians will also lose their COLA just like us. Fucking low life bastards have already got this deal done and just waiting for the vote. Imagine what this little prick has lined up for the police contract.
Imagine if the police just stood down and let the Anarchist do as they wish. Maybe the city would appreciate us a little more. Won't happen because cops do their jhob no matter what. As for the Racoon going to St. Jude...He HAS to go. He is the mayor. Just like he has to go to police and fire fighter line of duty funerals. Don't be fooled by this corrupt asshole.
Only in Democrat controlled Illinois you would be forced to pay MORE for something you'll NEVER get.
If they are going to do this to you guys, they need to it to EVERYBODY: Retirees, Alderman, CTA, Teachers, Daley...Everyone...right down the line. No exceptions. None.
-Not a Cop
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Blue flu just before summit would cripple the event. Stomach flu very hard to judge how long that lasts. It will guarantee you don't get sued because of this, or something your forced to do.
I would have never suggested this in the past, but in my 26 years I have never seen the guys moral this low. They cant fire you for being sick, and no punitive damages can be awarded against a policemen that was not there in the first place.
PROTECT YOURSELF BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WILL...
Did you notice how he uses the example of a 1995 retiree having a pension of 60k now having a pension of 100k because of COLA? Who had a 60k pension of 60k in 95? Not a cop, firefighter, street and san worker or teacher!!! But if you read the comments in the rags, every nitwit complains about this fabricated 100k pension!!!
Not a good idea to fuck with us.
Answer back during the NATO summit by doing what needs to be done. Let it go completely out of control and when things get ugly, hit the medical.
SELL THE THIRD AIRPORT!
It doesn't have to be built. Sell "futures" on the motherf__er!
This is the way it was done centuries ago during financial "bubbles."
"This Piece of Cardboard grants ye Bearer the right to purchase Shares in Building A Sugar Factory on ye Island of Barbadoes, if Such is ever Built."
Ref. -- "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds." Mackay, ca. 1848. Available free on the web. Invaluable.
As noted, Rahm backdoored the unions by shutting them out of the entire process. He also engages in bullshit scare tactics by threatening to raise property taxes when nothing is stopping him from using "red light camera" fines or proceeds from the sale of Midway to shore up obligations - contractual obligations he and the City Council refuse to meet despite signed agreements.
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Beware the rabid weasel disguised as a 9.5 fingered racoon !!
here's a big kiss for you rahmboy, (long wet sounding fart sound) !!!
"...the Chicago police department can handle 5,000 arrests in the system."
--5/09/2012 01:58:00 AM
Between CPD and the Feds and the State Police and the National Guard, it will fucking-A get handled.
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Baby will not be able to run wild doing whatever Baby pleases.
Jesus, these Occupy people. Some tedious, lecturesome girl on the radio this AM, "personally offended" by security precautions in the Loop.
Yeah, when you've seen enough broken glass and black flags and mobs surging through clouds of tear gas, it gets people a little on edge.
"Moscow Andy" lives for these scenes, seeks them out, chants "The People. United." in his infrequent and feverish sleep.
Why any PO's are doing any proactive police work any more is beyond me. If we all stood together (which we never do), and completely stopped bringing in anything besides arrests on signed complaints and showed what the effects of a "work stoppage" would cause, we might gain a little leverage. If you take away the revenue from tows, tickets, parkers, impounds, etc it would really throw a wrench in things, not to mention no contact cards or other activity to report at Compstat. Rahm and McGoof would collectively shit
Going after LINK cards will get you nowhere. Fix the real problems, eliminate full time pensions for part time jobs. Immediately. Fix the problem of allowing people to double and triple dip. Eliminate politician pensions. Not a cop but my dad was a paramedic, his measly pension money was worth it but he does not get a gold braided one like Daley or Degnan got.
Just give the little MUTT his casino and tell him to use it for pensions like the lottery is used for education.....
Well maybe it's time to start looking for a replacement...
In the Springfield hearing, TD 9.5 said "a person having retired in 1995 with a 60K pension would now be making over 100K because of the COLA increases, which is more than they were receiving when they were an active employee."
(a) A 75% pension of 60K in 1995 would have been based on an 80K yearly salary as averaged over the best 4 years of the last 10 years of employment. Imagine this employee's best 4 years were 1992-1995. An 80K average yearly salary in 1992-1995 was big, big money, probably Commander's pay or better. A police officer would have been making half of 80K in 1995.
TD 9.5 used the "worst" case scenario of a highly-paid employee instead of using a police officer's pension as an example. He did so to further create the picture of greedy public employees in the minds of the taxpayers.
(b) Also, to get the 100K figure, TD 9.5 figured the COLA increases on 80K, which is incorrect. The COLA should have been figured on the 60K sum.
If the COLA was figured on 80K, the 1995 retiree would currently be receiving 100.8K, but in reality, that employee would be receiving 88.5K with the COLA based on 60K, which is still a very nice pension, but it is not over 100K as Rahm said.
(c) TD 9.5 failed to say that a police officer who retired in 1995 with a 30K pension, would now be receiving 45K a year. Still not bad, but it pales in comparison to the retired big shot that is receiving 88.5K or the pension shanks is receiving.
(d) TD 9.5 and City Treasurer Neely are singing the same, carefully-strategized song lyrics on the pension mess.
On Tuesday-08 May 2012, TD 9.5 in Springfield and City Treasurer Neely on Channel 11-Chicago Tonight, both said the employees are not to blame, but TD 9.5 is still trying to make us the bad guys when he announces pension sums with COLA increases based on active-duty salaries and when he cite examples of pensioneers making more in retirement than they did while being employed.
TD 9.5 absolves us and makes us the bad guys in one breath. TD 9.5 is a slippery devil.
I got a better idea....
Let the asshole politicians start with there perks and pensions... maybe once I see there benifits cut, lets say %50 for starters, then maybe, just maybe I'll start believing.... Change? Yeah right, same corruption different package.
So is Mayor Rahm gonna take advantage of his federal pension benefits and combine them with his city pension? How about Rep. Danny Davis, Board President Preckwinkle and Chief Judge Evans, all former alderman eligible for those fat, rich, city pensions. Is there a deal in the works for them? How about the indicted Mr. Beavers?
And trust me..... The Police wont stand together and we will take it right in the weener and not say anything about it until after its all said and done. Then we will all cry how the union boinked us!
We dont stick together!!
Fuck it Blue Flu!!! Could you imagine if a couple a thousand coppers called in sick on the 19th of May! LMFAO!
yeah, the sunday thing....I was sadden by the day and even more by the cops who loved seeing him there. oh crap wise up. does old and brittle need to knock the stupid outta you?
With people living longer, and maxing out for pension benefits earlier it was bound to happen.
Oh yea and it has nothing to do with the fact that that cock sucker former mayor Daley paid nothing into our pension fund for the past 20 years.
Jagoff politicians wont touch their pension tho!
Hey Rahm... Uncle Les say hello.... You Prick!
REPEAL GOLD BRAID PENSIONS! It's nothing more than legalized bribery to political favorites, many of whom are as dumb and inept as a box of rocks.
Why dosn't the FOP bring this up???
While in NYC...
P&I
New York City Comptroller Liu renews call to shield, extend DB plans
Matthew Wurtzel
Published: May 7, 2012
New York City Comptroller John C. Liu on Monday reaffirmed his call for protecting defined benefit plans for public workers and extending those protections to the private sector.
“The traditional pension — also known as the defined benefit retirement plan — has been under attack in this country since at least 1980,” Mr. Liu said at the National Conference on Public Employee Retirement Systems' annual meeting in New York. “But, as this audience is well aware, the traditional pension has managed to hang on in the public sector. We have to make sure this continues.”
Mr. Liu, who oversees the five pension funds in the $122 billion New York City Retirement Systems, is a proponent of offering public defined benefit plans to private-sector workers....
Well Rahm has done it again he has thrown out his doomsday prediction that property taxes will go up over 150% and the children will suffer the most. This is the same scare tactic he used to get the red light cameras by saying that our children are going to be safer because of these red light cameras and that he wanted 1800 cameras placed around the entire city. After some of the alderman balked he brought that figure down a little over 300 phased-in over several years. We need to stop this man in his tracks by having everyone call their representatives down in Springfield and remind them that there is an election in November and yes we need pension reform but not on the backs of retirees and city workers.
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Someone needs to go on strike and show this little fuck that he isn't the be-all and end-all ruler of the universe. I'd like to see Streets and San call a strike and let the garbage pile up in July. Maybe the Teachers Union goes on strike in September. Someone. Anyone. I hate the democRATs.
5/09/2012 12:15:00 AM
There are thousands out of work who would fill those jobs in no time as non-union. Not like police where who have to be swron..any old personn can pick up garbage for 67k a year.
Does this include the aldermen's pensions and the mayor's? Will this clown even get a pension if he only serves one term as mayor? Maybe they should look at the aldermen's pension structure- that's a huge problem right there. How can they properly fund a plan that allows them to work only 10yrs but receive a full 80% of pay???? There's no way they can contribute enough to fill that gap. And again, for the 100th time, WHY DO WE NEED 50 ALDERFOOLS ANYWAY?!?!?!?!?. Funny how everything else gets downsized except our bloated and expensive, yet unnecessary, top heavy administrative staff. In case people have forgotten, please remember that it was RAHM EMANUEL that sat on the illustrious board of directors for FREDDIE MAC when they approved and implemented all the toxic loans that sent OUR property values crashing down. Yet, he is a millionaire and now the mayor of a soon to be bankrupt city. And on top of all of this, he proposes police and fire work until the age of 60- is this a joke?? As an officer with a predominately healthy diet, and gym membership that is put to full use, I cannot see doing this job effectively past 50 years of age. The best diet and exercise plan in the world will not stop the aging process. Is that our future, to be senior citizens on patrol?? They better be ready to shell out the money for all those hip and knee replacements when all those old folks get IOD! Unfknreal!!
What about the gold braid pensions draining the fund? Can't touch the clouted people, huh Rahm?
People have to remember that this jagoff was Obama's Chief of Staff. Like Obama he thinks he is all powerful and can do whatever he wants. The only way to stop this piece of shit is to get him voted out along with Obama.
"Someone needs to go on strike and show this little fuck that he isn't the be-all and end-all ruler of the universe. I'd like to see Streets and San call a strike and let the garbage pile up in July. Maybe the Teachers Union goes on strike in September. Someone. Anyone."
Rambo would fire anyone on strike.
Considering the real unemployment (15-20%, maybe more), all S&S could be replaced in 24 hrs. (Like the Firefighter were.) The teachers might take a little longer to meet minimal State requirements.
Safety first. Obey ALL the laws, rules, and Orders. Respond safely to all assignments, do not risk a traffic accident. If someone runs, follow but use caution, your safety is more important. Do a street stop only if all requirements for the Contact Card are met (impossible). Do not see any movers or parkers.
Make them fear life without us.
What will you young guys get 10-20-30 yrs from now? Nothing?
Ramhmy is here to bust the pension,bust the union,and yet coppers on his detail making the D-3 money really believe that, the money at the big pension will be there for them as the valets they are? Watched the video with Louie on the detail brother I know you read the blog for rammmy everyday but PLEASE take care of yourself it is not worth the stress, Lou we worked together before you were in great shape but now you look aged think about your family maybe time to leave for your health!
Clinton and Obama depended on our Mayor. What does that tell you about the Democrat Party?
"engaging in scare tactics meant to alarm city workers and taxpayers."
Could the media PLEASE stop trying to separate city workers from taxpayers? As long as we are forced to live in this city and county, we have to pay the same taxes that every other working stiff pays! Media, gather up the courage to repeatedly question these city and state politicians how they are going to reduce their own pension benefits for the greater good.
somehow the public employee pension problem in IL has to be dealt with and politically it is a mine field.
the voters just won't care much why or how it got this way. I can't see them being real friendly toward politicans that raise taxes to pay for public employee pension benefits.
there is not a painless way out of this quagmire. for anyone.
He actually believes he IS the chosen one?
The Progressives designed the Pension programs as a retirement system that would be much better then Social Security, another of their socialist programs for the masses. These retirement programs were used to get the masses happy and content, to continue to vote for Democrats, but these systems were always unrealistic and unattainable on a large scale. The one thing that they could count on was the mortality rate keeping people from being on these programs for any extended time. As long as retirees didn't live very long lives both systems worked fine.
The American health system which has been vilified so much by Progressives and their MSM lackeys, would become the envy of the world. It has been able to cure many diseases and illnesses increasing American lifespans. Yet with all these wonderful medicines and cures, the one thing that was unforeseen by the Left was that this would begin to deteriorate their vote gathering systems, Social Security and Pensions. Their solution was creation of the new ObamaCare medical system which was rammed down our throats, by the Democrats-only vote. It was not designed to help every American's health but to destroy it. In the end, our mortality rate will begin to increase again.
Economically, no society can continue to pay a workforce that doesn't produce. The Democrats have only hastened the Pension Funds destruction quicker by using it as their elites private slush funds. The political class voted for themselves to get payments that not only adjust to cost of living payments like the rest of us but get compound payments that will literally pay these individuals far more then they ever made at their jobs. The MSM has been publishing stories that wrongly tie these unrealistic pension payments to the regular workforce who never receive such payments but a fraction of what they made, to shift the public's focus of the political classes' criminal activities.
It is unsustainable when we butcher 95 million unborn American babies since the Progressives passed Roe Vs. Wade, which would normally have entered the workforce. We have undefended borders which has created a new American phenomena, the underclass illegal workers. The Unions have forced companies to pay inflated pay rates that has crippled most of American industries. These Utopian ideals conflict with the real world.
The Democrats have been kicking the can down the road for a very long time now. We've reached the end of the road. The Progressives don't really care what happens to you, just that they maintain their power and control over your lives. You will not be able to solve this problem until you throw off this yoke that they have placed upon you and your families neck. We have to move beyond the 'Hope and Change' chant and start taking the bull by the horn and taking control of a government that was intended to serve us but has become our rulers. The big question is what are we going to do now?
He went on to say that the Chicago police department can handle 5,000 arrests in the system.
5/09/2012 01:58:00 AM
The Real Police can, but can CLEAR handle 5000 pc#'s logged in?
Couldn't even handle however many people logged on to get the vest $$$.
Sorry folks, but according to the rhetoric spewed by Quinn and Rahm, and the push by cullerton and madigan to get "something" done quickly, it looks like pensions are done for active employees. This sucks, but now this push for pension reduction is given me impetus to finally seek another job and quit cpd. I was tethered to this awful job because of my pension, but now no longer. In just four quick months pension reform will happen, mark my words.
Wake up and smell the fascism..
As Rahm theatens property tax hikes we have this bullshit...
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State Rep. Monique Davis’ Democratic friends in the Illinois House Tuesday spared her from a tax bill of at least $444,500.
By a 60-54 vote, with Davis voting present, the House entered into the legal dispute between the longtime South Side lawmaker and the Chicago Board of Education over her refusal to pay back rent and leaseholder taxes on her district office, which is in a school-owned building
more >> http://capitolfax.com/2012/05/09/pols-behaving-badly/
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More professional courtesy bullshit? Lawmakers don't have to pay their taxes? There goes about a half million dollars that won't be going into the pension funds or school funds or sewer funds or whatever.
Guess we'll just have to raise everyone else's taxes and cut everyone else's healthcare and pension benefits because the lawmakers are above the law and tax system.
Brings to mind the cartoon that asks the question, Do you think they will control the protesters when they learn we're taking their pension ?
A smart politician would have delayed that particular presentation
until after the protests.
Hope he was asking for more than he knew he could get
Only in chicago would a person thats at least partially responsible for this pension mess be elected Fop president and still serve on the pension board and continue to screw it up. Thanks Mike!
5/09/2012 12:21:00 AM
Dude, Go away, already. The only reason people are talking about Midway as a pension asset or streams of revenue like casinos being dedicated to pension funds is because Mike says it, all the fucking time, to the media. He also calls lawmakers and alderman about it all the time. No one is trying harder than he is. No one. So shut the f___ up. Or, if you are going to continue your griping, let us know who you are. Pussy.
Ok now is the time to sue the pension board to make them do their job, represent us. I said this three years ago and the ranking members thought I waa crazy. Many bigger cities have done it and all have won. It is a contractual obligation since they are still taking our money and are not matching the funds. As long as they collect our money they still accept the terms of the state bill as it stands. Contact John Murray AT Area Central
Rahm, our mentor at st Jude's, will stop all city pension contributions in two months. Sorry the pension system is done.
Anonymous said...
if you want to start balancing your budget you go after all the leeches who don't work and get everything for free--- 30 percent of the population of illinois is on medicare--- entitlements are killing chicago and illinois--- instead of going after all of your city and state employees who get up and go to work everyday you need to start taking away all the freebies for all these slugs who never work and have no intention to ever work--- I haven't heard rahmbo or potato head talking about reducing welfare benefits...
5/09/2012 12:45:00 AM
EXACTLY!!!! What motivation is there for one to get up and get a job and go to work everyday and pay taxes when you get a government check ,government housing, link card, free healthcare and everything else given to you by the gov. just to sit on your ass and play video games, eat chips and drink mountain dew!?!?! Ain't life just fuckin' grand!!!!!!!
If you have a workforce of 100 people and 50 of them are unemployed your unemployment rate is 50% right??
Then if 25 of those unemployed peoples unemployment runs out and they file for disability because they can not find a job two things happen to the unemployment numbers.
First the 25 on disability are removed from the measured workforce as they are no longer seeking jobs. This makes a workforce of 75 people.
Second the 25 on disability are no longer counted as unemployed. So you have only 25 people unemployed.
That said you now have a workforce of 75 people with 25 unemployed.
Congratulations!!
You just reduced the unemployment rate from 50% down to 33$ and not one single additional person is working, paying taxes helping to grow GDP.
Furthermore, if these are able bodied people they are placing an additional burden on the already overburdened social security and pension systems which "will go bust much sooner that previous thought" as the media will tell it.
Is any of this really happening? You tell me!
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5.4 Million Join Disability Rolls Under Obama
A record 5.4 million workers and their dependents have signed up to collect federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to the latest official government data, as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program.
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Since the recession ended in June 2009, the number of new enrollees to Social Security's disability insurance program is twice the job growth figure. (See nearby chart.) In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 put in applications.
As a result, by April there were a total of 10.8 million people on disability, according to Social Security Administration data released this week. Even after accounting for all those who've left the program — about 700,000 drop out each year, mainly because they hit retirement age or died — that's up 53% from a decade ago.
http://news.investors.com/article/608418/201204200802/ssdi-disability-rolls-skyrocket-under-obama.htm
Creating much needed jobs my azz. Take those above normal disability claims and add them to the over 12 mil. people unemployed and find out the real unemployment rate. Oh and don't forget to add the millions of people working only part-time because they can't find full time work too.
For every job that is created two more people go on disability!! Are you kidding me? And that jobs is some part-time temporary welding job that last until the next election is over. Wake the eff up!
now their going to save the pension by making everyone work until we die
Why not freeze all the politician pension plans first and make them to contribute to the plan for at lease 20 years similar to other pension plans.
Just an idea, but since every other "group" out there will be demonstrating at the NATO, why don't we?
I think it would be great to see family member of the CPD out there protesting on our behalf, since we can't do it for ourselves.
I'm sure everyone on this blog could help compose some of the signs the CPD family would carry. First and foremost, we should attract the weasel "mayor" of ours for trying to re-write the pension law, in order to screw the working officers of this city. Secondly, we need to bring to light our understaffed and overworked officers, and the stress and danger this understaffing has affected each and everyone of us.
Let's get this movement going!
If the Police, Fire and Teachers loose their pension benefits so should the fucking politicians and judges. If we the people(working class) have to make a sacrifice then so should everyone else. Rhambo has got a few million in the bank gaining interest for his golden parachute which is why he's not going to collect a pension. Which is why he could give a rats ass what happens. Hell if someone gave me a few million to sit on for retirement, I'd opt to not collect from our pension as well.
Anonymous said...
All you dummies guarding 4228 N Hermitage are a bunch of sell out pussies. Fuck RAHM and his family...show some pride and get with the program regardless of "its a nice gig". Don't expect anyone to respond to a 10-1 when you call the Command Post on your cell phone as ordered dummies.
5/09/2012 12:23:00 AM
Listen you pussy Dog, we get put over there by who makes the sheets not by choice, you Dog motherfucker that wouldn't back up another officer even with a 10-1 Another scared little college liberal boy(maybe girl) who should not have this job. The only dummy here is the person that let you get on the job that you never wanted, Get the fuck off this job you Dog ass, Go work at the GAP, go join your Occupy buddies, your not the police.
No Gold Braid Pensions. Since Capt. is now an exempt position, the pension limit should be capped at Lt's pay. That's enough.
How about starting with the city paying the money they owe the fund FIRST plus Interest.
Little Rahm wants us to put skin in the game. Besides the 9 percent we pay every check we;
live shorter lives,
are nursing multiple injuries from working years on the street, most physical, some mental,
have a higher divorce rate,
and if it's skin he wants, he can collect it from the alleys and emergency rooms of the City Of Chicago.
We served proudly and gave the city years of service.
The City stole from and underfunded our pension.
We payed what was required.
The City was a deadbeat Corporation.
When you have a deadbeat dad, do you go after the children to pay back mom?
Ask the Venecko / Daley family to pay back what they stole.
Can we return all those flower pots to the store and put the money in the pension?
Stand down at 4228 N Hermitage...show some pride and quit patrolling his house and area. They can't make you see shit...blinders on.
How about the state giving a gaming license to the F.O.P. and the proceeds go into the Pension Fund?
Just like the U.S. Gov did for Native Americans after screwing them out of what was theirs.
Thank you sir. May I have another?
Please kiss me Rahm when you are doing that to me.
Thanks little guy.
Sell that wedding dress in your crawl space and put that money in the fund.
Go back to D.C. you carpet bagger. Oh wait, they couldn't stand you or Daley, so they sent you packing.
Well brothers and sisters rahm has just shot across our bow. He is willing to take this bold step because he knows must of us our complacent. We continue to bitch and complain yet fail to take action. Why should he care what we have to say? There are 15,000 or so of us and maybe a third vote. We have a handful of union reps that fight for our pension at time when it’s under its greatest threat. We can no longer stand by and let what we have worked for and what we were promised when we start this job be taken from us. It’s time the membership as whole attacks back. If you’re not registered go and do so. If you haven’t been voting it’s time to start. You’re given two weeks to go at your leisure. If you don’t like the candidates then give them a blank ballot. Show that what they are offering isn’t good enough but you’re willing to vote. If enough people hand in a blank ballot someone while take note and look to find out why. Last we need to seek out candidates that are willing to fight for our pension and fight to get them elected. If we want to save our pension we’re going to have to work for it. That means getting petition signed for to get those individuals we want on the ballot. It includes walking door to door for them passing out their information and convincing others to vote for them. On Election Day we need to stand at the polls and hand out their palm cards. This is what other unions and interest groups do yet we don’t. We either fight for what is ours or we will have no one else to blame but ourselves when they take it!
REPEAL GOLD BRAID PENSIONS! It's nothing more than legalized bribery to political favorites, many of whom are as dumb and inept as a box of rocks.
*****If You Came to the meetings your'd know FOP And President Sields are in support
REPEAL GOLD BRAID PENSIONS AND CUT CITY Politicians Pensions.
Vote Tea-Party endorsed REPUBLICANS only, while you still have a Quarter left in your pocket.
Rahm.....look at me! it's all about me!....I want to be (Senator/Governor/President).....it's all about me!...oh, by the way, f@@k your pensions, and the fact you've worked all of your lives hoping to get a pension....and, by the way, did I mention....it's all about me!
If as the Mayor says "the fault lies with all the Politicians that kicked the can down the road" then there you go...
Penalize the Politicians.
Remove Multiple/Double Dipping Pensions for Elected officials and any non-elected City Employee with the Rank/Title of Sgt/Manager or Higher.
Remove the ability for any Person with 1 20 year or more Vested Municipal Pension to qualify for a second one after they retire if they start a new city position. Require them to pay into OASDI (Social Security) and invest in a 401k or IRA to 'pad' their Municipal Pension.
Require by Ordinance that 25% of all monies generated from every City Sticker Violation/Red Light/Speed Camera Ticket goes toward shoring up and supporting all City Municipal Pension funds.
Get the Pensions OUT of the Stock Market and into a Fund that is more conservative and can weather any Country wide Economic Crisis.
Years ago FOP agreed to make retirees pay a very small monthly amount for their health insurance, instead of getting it free. FOP assured us that we need to help out the city, just a little. That small amount has now increased hugely; I now pay $715 a month for my wife and I for Blue Cross. Now the politicians in the City and FOP will agree to give up the 3% COLA, which means alot to the retirees. The official government inflation stats do not include energy (gasoline, heat, electric), food, healthcare or drug costs in the figure. They gauge inflation on such things as the price of TV's & refrigerators, check it out!I guarantee you that energy, food drugs and healthcare costs exceed 3% inflation per year. So now they are going to steal the COLA, while FOP, winks, nods and shrugs their shoulders. That will be the first step. Just like retirees health insurance costs went from a few dollars to multi-hundreds per month.; taking the COLA away will only be the first step. Are you aware that the Police Pension fund only made 1%, that's right, one percent on investments in 2011. The clowns on the pension fund should all go to jail. Getting only 1% in 2011, means only one thing, there is alot of stealing going on. No respectable billionaire would tolerate only a 1% return on his money. The 4 billion $ pension fund pays approx. 10 Million A YEAR in fees, of our money, to clowns who manage our money to only generate a 1% return on our fund. FOP President & Pension Fund TRUSTEE Shields should look in the mirror and repeat "I have seen the enemy and he is me!" The corruption is not only the politicans, it's the Pension Fund and FOP also!!!!!!
"....{Emanuel is] engaging in scare tactics meant to alarm city workers and taxpayers."
There's a problem here -- and this little s__ass is too busy grabbing money and passing it around the Inner Circle to care.
WE ARE BURNED OUT WITH THIS FROM DALEY.
We are now threatened CONSTANTLY.
EVERY SINGLE DAY IS A GOD-DAMNED CRISIS.
EVERY DAY the property tax is going to go up 150%, school class sizes are going to go up to 55 no matter how many zillions of dollars we put down the "education" rathole, they are going to cut off half the buses and trains, they are going to fire half the city workers -- EVERY DAY it is something now.
Sorry, O Exalted Rahm. "Not sustainable."
Resign, take McWhiskey with you, and go join the board at Accentuaccreteovanecko Corporation or something.
What happens when everybody is "on is in that loop -- "Distinguished Senior Fellow." The City of Chicago just slipped the tax-dodging Pritzkers $20 million to build another Hyatt Hotel on U of C property at 53rd and Lake Park. On, and on, and on.
Again -- "not sustainable."
The debris field from the motherf___ers in this city spreads from here to Washington -- and back, and forth, and back, and forth.
That Arne Duncan is in D.C. now as Secretary Of Something -- I can't keep track anymore -- and has started making noises about "gay marriage," which has nothing to do with whatever he's being paid for. The inappropriate and out-of-line has become routine. Everybody is spending half their time "advocating" for some personal Free Tibet or something. Ever heard the phrase "On your own time?"
Thayer, stay off it. Surprise everyone and go Occupy the office with the other 1%ers for a change, doing whatever it is you do at that big evil corporation you supposedly work for.
Does Loevy and Loevy even remember what you look like -- or do they have to watch RT TV from Moscow to see you at all?
As bad as Daley -- like SCC said, another "rainmaker."
S__t.
5/09/2012 01:23:00 AM
There is a State Law that requires that in fact.
It also happens to be one of the Few State Laws that can not be legally ignored by the 1972 Home Rule Clause of the State Constitution.
But you'd need to find a SA that would file charges against the entire City Command structure that handles pension payments.
What about all the scum bag thief politician's pensions? What about the alderscum's and king Daley's big fat pensions? The first responder's did not do anything to the pension. The problem is with the lying politicians who stole from it and under funded it. We get a small pension upon retirement nothing like the scum get that destroyed it.
Mark Brown's Sun-Times Article; thank goodness Shields had Brown interview Underwood and not the other Board members, who collect pensions and take full time salaries: Harold Brown, Bill Nolan, Mark Donahue, Bob Podgorny. And do you think Underwood pays taxes on the FOP money he forgot to mention to the reporter.
We know Shields couldn't hook the reporter up with his dad, but John Dineen probably has a smaller pension, after a full police adn unions careers than Underwood.
this should be for new employees who sign up for this when hired!U DONT CHANGE THE RULES MID STREAM WHEN SOMEONE IS PLANNING ON RETIRING IN 5 YEARS AFTER BUYING OTHER PENSION FROM ANOTHER AGENCY OUT OF THERE OWN POCKET!besides a cop over 50 cant be running,jumpin fences,and fighting with young bucks!POLICE AND FIRE IS A YOUNG MANS GAME!NOT SAFE!
Partially the union's fault. I remember those contracts that were settle for some "retro" chump change if the city were " forgiven" millions in pension funds that were due. I wonder who got what in those deals?
Sorry SWAT boys, FOP is going to pull the D2 or D3 pay off the table. Just heard about it.
Rammy better watch out! He is starting to wake a sleeping giant. The one thing that all city workers have in common is their thoughts of how much money they make to support their lifestyles that they have settled into since they were hired. The bottom line is money will be the same root for all. When he starts taking money out of pockets their is a good chance that there might be total unity. It wont matter what sex, race, height, weight, northside, southside, ect. Every city employee who is looking at losing money due to Rammy will all be in the same pot with the same cause!
"NATO Summit to generate $128 million in Chicago"
this just in...
"Walgreens moves $254M ad account out of Chicago"
Net loss to Chicago economy $126 million assuming the NATO windfall ever materializes.
The only intelligent thing he said was that employees contributions need to go up. With people living longer, and maxing out for pension benefits earlier it was bound to happen. Especially considering it hasnt increased in over thirty years.
Not intelligent at all!!!! That's a pay decrease buddy!! Restructure for the new hires bottom line!
As a C.P.D retiree for 5 years,I pay 9,600 a year for health insurance for me and my wife.This comes right off the top of my pension.I hope this elitist of a mayor,whom I believe is a member of of a group bent on destroying the middle class,also puts a freeze on health insurance cost.
The Racoon is one smart prick. He goes down to Springfield and ask for the sky. If if he gets 50% of what he is asking for he is still way ahead. And stop paying the city share of the pension? The fucking city hasn't been pay anything for...YEARS. Money is earmarked on your tax bill for pensions but our corrupt greedy politicans just piss it away on their favorite projects. Fuck the pensions they say. That is why the funds are going bankrupt. Most retired folks depend on that COLA for their own risng expenses. And please don't buy that bullshit of jacking up property taxes by 150%. 50+ kids in every classroom. BULLSHIT!!! Never gonna happen. That would be political suicde for these elected jagoffs.
If we can't strike then how about a good old SLOWDOW. Stop writing the tickets. Take more time on your calls. The Aldercreatures are like elected Zombies and so are our police bosses. They won't matter. IF THE RANK AND FILE COPS JUST SLOW THINGS DOWN THEN MAYBE THAT MIDGET BASTARD ON THE 5TH FLOOR WILL LEARN WHERE THE REAL POWER IS. The city employees working the street can bring this town to a standstill. This little prick wants to steal our pension and are we going to let him.
No pension...Really??? Work longer and get less...Really??? Well...let the NATO people come in and do whatever they want. They are the so called invited guests...why should we be rude. Hello....DE-POLICE. Hands in your pockets and let em have the city. It's gone to shit along time ago thanks to the media and politicians and whatever hell else grab stole broke and raped. remember...DE-POLICE.
reduce # of aldercreatures
get rid of gold braid bill for exempts and xo's
hell no , above are all politicians
Anonymous said...
if you want to start balancing your budget you go after all the leeches who don't work and get everything for free--- 30 percent of the population of illinois is on medicare--- entitlements are killing chicago and illinois--- instead of going after all of your city and state employees who get up and go to work everyday you need to start taking away all the freebies for all these slugs who never work and have no intention to ever work--- I haven't heard rahmbo or potato head talking about reducing welfare benefits...
5/09/2012 12:45:00 AM
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Why wouldn't you claw back the welfare to corporations?
Sears, CME Group, Motorola, start at the top. That's over $300 million dollars right there in corporate welfare. Don't start at the bottom, Start at the top where the big money is.
You gonna give me the "well they create the jobs" bullshit?
The number of people on Food Stamps has grown across the nation from about 16 million people in 2000 to 46 million today. That's over two republican Bush terms and it continues unabated under Obama. Does anyone believe that changing political parties is going to fix it? The corporations are pulling all the strings with their campaign donations.
I'll tell you what. The $300 million is sitting in their corporate bank accounts.
That same welfare money being handed out at the bottom GETS SPENT NOW AND THAT DOES CREATE JOBS TOO!!!
I'll tell you the "entitlements" that are killing the economy. The no-bid contracts awarded to the politically connected friends. The overstaffed city council of 50 aldermen and there infrastructure. The creation of laws intentionally designed to end up as constitutional challenges with windfall profits to the cities law firms. Civil rights lawsuits because people are just blindly following orders instead of enforcing the laws.
So...
Our CPD pension benefits will be reduced with Re-pube-licken/Demo-rat circle-jerk agreements made in Springfield at the behest of Herr Emanuel even before our current contract expires. And this is a surprise to whom?
Is it a coincidence Shields was brought in as the sacrificial lamb? Shields was promised something tasty (a State Senate seat?) if he plays the patsy long enough for the FLOP to be decertified, which the membership will begin clamoring for by the summer's end.
Can I get an event #?
Anonymous said...
SCC check this crock of BS on CLTV News. McJersey said, CPD can handle five thousand arrests. Really????
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heh..what's it cost to keep someone locked up in the county? $130/day?
I'd love to see 5,000 or more protestors get locked up. That would be at least over a half-million dollars a day charged to the taxpayers or taken out of the contributions that should go the city pensions.
Then you have the admin cost and overtime for court processing. Most of the protestors don't have a dime to their name and they live out of state. How much does Rahm's stiffer fines mean to them?
Enjoy the O/T boys but I wouldn't be rushing out to buy new gismos. Once the dignitaries have left town there's not much need for the CPD even if the homicide counts are going wild. You see the response to that already.
i will be in court if this happen and i will have my own lawyer fuck fop
Oh okay we won't touch your pensions. We'll cancel your healthcare instead and if you still want healthcare you will pay whatever premium that the Governor decides, subject to change. that's all.
Madigan orders. Now shut up and follow orders. That's all. Just follow orders. You must, you must they said it's necessary.
Yeah it's state workers but it's coming.
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SPRINGFIELD—
House lawmakers moved today to reduce the $800 million annual cost of insurance for retired state workers by making them pay more for health care that some now get for little or nothing.
The action unfolded as House Speaker Michael Madigan, D-Chicago, and Minority Leader Tom Cross, R-Oswego, implored colleagues to make the legislation part of a major effort to rein in billions of dollars in health-care for the poor, public employee pensions and the state’s budget overall.
“The prescription on the table is huge,” Madigan said. “This is one small part of it. …If we can’t do this, what in the world are we going to be able to do?”
Under the legislation, retired state workers, judges, lawmakers and university employees would have premiums for their group health insurance program set each year by the Quinn administration. The bill went to the Senate on a 74-43 vote.
Madigan said the decisions in the coming weeks to are “not for the faint of heart,” but must be tackled to improve the state’s financial health.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-retired-state-employees-could-pay-for-health-coverage-20120509,0,5484372.story
We now are governed by a dictator.
Beautiful, just what I want is to spend five more years of my life with these vicious clout monkeys.
As long as Boeing, Willis, the C.M.E. and the Civic Federation are happy......
White shirt's pensions ok, right?
i want to know why f.o.p is not suing the city for negligence by putting officers on the front lines with the NATO protestors in soft clothes. Our helmets and gas masks will be on a freaking bus. We were told that if the shit hits the fan the guys in the turtle suits will drop forward, we r to retreat and go get our helmets on the bus. WTF! Knowing the documented history of the NATO protestors its blatant negligence on the part of the city. f.O.P. should be filing suit immediately. Where is our union?
I say raise the taxes, at least the @ssholes who voted for Daley who is responsible for robbing the pension funds will pay.
The way it looked like everybody in uniform avoided him on sunday like he was a lepper. i dont know what the other dude is talking about?
I thought we could start collecting at age 50? Now we have to wait til 60?? Holy crap
Future Alderman Mikey Shields is on OUR side, riiiiiight????
Anonymous said...
he proposed age to collect for police and fire =60 years old. thats some old and brittle cops and firemen sticking around collecting max salary...
5/09/2012 12:25:00 AM
Hey! I am not brittle! I stayed until 63 and was as supple as a leather tac glove. Which I could afford because I was at max salary!
Anonymous said...
McCarthy tells WGN that depending on where a person is arrested, they will be sent to the nearest police district for processing. He also said the old Western and Belmont station, Area 3 police headquarters, would be the likely detention center for mass arrests.
He went on to say that the Chicago police department can handle 5,000 arrests in the system.
5/09/2012 01:58:00 AM
24 Has one of the biggest lockups in the city. Oh wait. They closed it.
How much is the city going to pay seeing as "Shortshanks" Shorted all Pension funds for 20 years?!
Fucking Daley should be in jail rather than collecting a Fat Cat Pension!
Da Pelon
He's just trying to do a good job and help people. Event 08765
Anonymous said...
he proposed age to collect for police and fire =60 years old. thats some old and brittle cops and firemen sticking around collecting max salary...
5/09/2012 12:25:00 AM
I'm staying and going to hit the medical roll for every reason possible. F*ck with me and I'm filing a hostile work enviroment beef with the gov't. Your extra 5 years is going to cost you in the long run.
Rahm = Disastor
All you dummies guarding 4228 N Hermitage are a bunch of sell out pussies. Fuck RAHM and his family...show some pride and get with the program regardless of "its a nice gig". Don't expect anyone to respond to a 10-1 when you call the Command Post on your cell phone as ordered dummies.
Ha
$$$$$$$SGT's Pay TOO Asshat
Enjoy your squad car moron
You can not fix the unfixable. PERIOD. Now get in the welfare line and buy some flammin' hot chips and grape pop with your Link card.
Thank God for Deferred Comp. Load up boys and girls.
I wouldn't worry about it too much.
When Rahm get's done cutting the pensions chances are you just may qualify for Food Stamps, Cash assistance, and medicaid!!
Should you need some emergency healthcare service get in the back of the line over at Stroger and maybe the mayors Accredited Health Corp will keep you company while you wait. Browbeating you on when and how you're gonna pay your bill in the E-R as you await treatment so that they can make a profit and award the politicians more campaign donations from those profits in return for tax breaks.
The Governor and Mayor can pick and choose who will get healthcare coverage and what you can have to eat after your pension cuts.
I would like to suggest that you adjust your spending now according to live within your means so you can get used to the poverty.
A city filled with min-wage part-time temporary WalMart-like workers cannot afford an $80,000 dollar/yr per cop police force. So expect more cuts to come. Corporations are not going to chip in to pay their share.
Forgetaboutit.
Welcome to our world. Professional courtesies have been canceled.
The only place left to pilfer are the public workers. The private sectors IRA's, 401k'S and home equity has been wiped out by the criminal banking cartels that you protect.
Now it's your turn. Every man for themselves. Hoo-ray for me and eff you.
Anyone remember the Daley order about campaign donations AFTER he socked away millions. Then Rahm came in and did the same thing. First rescinding Daley's executive order until Rahm socked away about $14 million in campaign funds and then reinstated the order on campaign donations?
Yeah hoo-ray for me I got mine and eff-you now it's illegal and forbidden. We must respect the law and the law is the law and all that jazz.
Not the government I want. you?
Don't go after the real crooks. Go after the people complaining about the real crooks. The complainers need to sit down and shut up like the Minn. Attorney General. You know what I'm sayin'?
Anonymous said...
He has no intention of fixing the unfixable.
Pensions, like soc. Sec. & medicare, are a ponsi scheme that will bring down government as we know it. Under funded by BILIONS as 10,000 babyboomers A DAY retire.....good luck !
The sale of city ( taxpayer owned ) assets is an attempt to loot before inevetable bankruptcy.
The PROMISES made to us have been LIES and those in govt. have known this for some time now.
Do the math.
5/09/2012 03:48:00 AM
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The only way out of this without raising taxes or cutting costs is to grow jobs and the workforce with living wage jobs so that more people are paying taxes and contributing -- something that the chosen ones have been unwilling or unable to do.
Not only do you have 10,000 boomers a day retiring but the college kids are getting raped with six figure student loan debts that are equiv. to a 30 year mortgage when you think about it. What are they going to be buying for the next 30 years? Money being spent on loan interest isn't going to grow and create anything, it only benefits the bankers.
This entire scam from the home mortgage crisis to the credit default swap investment scams to the robo singed foreclosures, to the credit card fees, to the student loans are all for the bankers benefit.
We have a cumulative one trillion dollars now outstanding on student loans and do you think that these students are going to be funding pensions and social security for us or even themselves with their bullshit jobs this nation has created?
Did you see California today. Across the board 10% cuts to public employees announced. Illinois pension crisis is the worse in the nation. This is only the first round.
How is it that the city can hold true to the raw deal contracts that were made with New York bankers (i.e. Parking Garage & Parking Meters) yet proposes to break the fair and bargained for pension contracts that were made with Chicago’s most loyal citizens (i.e. Garbage, Fire & Police workers)?
Anonymous said...
Only in chicago would a person thats at least partially responsible for this pension mess be elected Fop president and still serve on the pension board and continue to screw it up. Thanks Mike!
5/09/2012 12:21:00 AM
Can you back your baseless accusations up with some facts?
Anonymous said...
All you dummies guarding 4228 N Hermitage are a bunch of sell out pussies. Fuck RAHM and his family...show some pride and get with the program regardless of "its a nice gig". Don't expect anyone to respond to a 10-1 when you call the Command Post on your cell phone as ordered dummies.
5/09/2012 12:23:00 AM
Why would anyone call a 10-1 from there? Think about it.
As for the detail, it is like when you go to work and they tell you your assignment when you get there. What would you advise, refusing to take an assignment?
Something I really don't understand here. Unions imported outside people to protest Scott Walker in Wisconsin. He broke up the stranglehold unions had on school districts and what he did is working.
YES- what he did is working. Costs are down and the unions are crying about it.
Walker is a hero and the people are coming out to support him. See article -
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/09/scott-walker-dominates-labor-falters-in-wisconsin-recall-primary.html
He did the right thing and put a halt on runaway costs in Wisconsin that the unions wanted to see sustained. This has to happen everywhere. And it's going to happen. (We are NOT going to become another Greece)
We cannot sustain six-figure pensions that are more than many lotto jackpot payouts.
So wake up and smell the Starbucks. Pension and benefits are going to be cut.
If you don't like it, find another job. Talk to your neighbors and see how well-off they are in the private sector. Many do not have any pension.
You'll appreciate your money and benefits a LOT more.
Complaining about a 2% raise? Work at a place where there has been NO raises in 2-3 years. Work at a place where they laid you off and now you are working for 50-70% of what you made before. Work at a place where they say you have to take a 20% cut in order to stay on the job. That's the reality out there in the job market.
I am really surprised that Rahm (Democrat) is coming on harder than Walker did and not one big protest from any combined unions. Why?
Only if he was a Republican would people jump out and protest but because he is a Democrat it's hands-off.
And I know some of you will curse this post and say you are entitled to every penny you get blah,blah,,blah,, but you are probably the same ones who aren't even registered to vote.
If you were, you should have voted for a Republican. He may have given you a better deal than what you are getting. (Republicans are usually more pro-police)
My observation? You've been had.
Just watching from my vantage point. Not a Republican, but definitely not a Democrat.
Not a LEO, JAFO
PS -- Stay safe on NATO Conference. I am totally against it being held here because the CPD has gotten little training and even less proper equipment.
No one seems to be looking at the CPD as an Army that will be put into harm's way in this fiasco. I do.
If you are a leader, you make sure all your people are well-trained and well-equipped before going out.
I have read and seen enough to know that is not the case.
Losing the 3% COLA doesn't sound so bad on the surface. Please look at these numbers, we will be taking a massive loss. If you retire at $70,000 per year, your COLA raise is 2,100 per year. If you don't get that for 10 years the cost to the retiree is huge. Year 1 - 2,100 raise x 10 years = $21,000. Year 2: 2,100 x 9 years = 18,900, Year 3: 2,100 x 8 years = $16,800, and so on. Total loss for 10 years is $115,500. Your salary after 10 years is $70,000 instead of $91,000. Your loss every year from year 11 of retirement until death is $21,000. If you live another 10 years, which is not inconceivable, you would lose $210,000. Total loss per retiree who lives 20 years after retirement: $325,500. This is absolutely astounding. Any way you run these numbers it comes out the same. We need to fight this with all of our energy. This guy will do everything under his power to hose us good. 31 and done.
Watching the news saw the Racoon, Madigan, Cross, and Cullerton all ganging up to push this illegal pension grab through the state legislature. These evil fucks are the ones responsible fore this mess and now they cast the blame on the very folks who PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE FOR THE PENSIONS. They think by playing this bullshit in the media they can get their way. Usual Racoon scare tactics...150% increase in property taxes...If the city had been putting the money in as stated on our tax bills there would be no crisis. They spent those dollars on projects they wanted. Fuck the pensions. One big problem is our pensions are protected by the Illinois State Constitution. A definite court fight coming but who knows how it will turn out.
Now that RAHM showed his cards, we have to fight tooth and nail against these utterly foolish ideas!
Rahm Flim Falm man
"Anonymous said...
The only intelligent thing he said was that employees contributions need to go up."
Fuck Rahm, We have paid our portion for many years as the Democrats AND the Republicians robbed the pensions so they could give it to the the fucking ileagals and the welfare breeders!!! Wake the fuck up !!! Vote these fuckheads out!!! Now they voted to take away the health insurance for the state employees and retirees, Who will be next??? You idiots in Madigans dist. 22 must have rubber asshole to keep voting this asshole in!!! Remember this tomorrow when you are diging for lunch money and you see a fucking LINK Card shithead wearing $300.00 Nike shoes driving a fucking Cadillac, This is what the fucking politicans have given us. Remember these cocksuckers in November!!!!!
Here's a thieving bastard who enriched himself immensely using his White House connections to the tune of $18-20 million and he's hell bent on destroying the modest pensions city works have earned and deserve. What a two timing hypocritical asshat!
5/09/2012 03:12:00 AM
And to think our illustrious union prez (lil Mikey) gave this tool a pair of green cuff links when he was elected mayor.
For that alone, lil Mikey should be impeached..
Hey lil Mikey. Stick that masters degree in your balloon knot. It's meaningless when you're at war.
It's time to become a man!
Read Sun Tzu, The Art Of War. You may learn something kid..
Strike vote Pending with Union for Traffic Aides/Detention Aides/Crossing Guards/Parking Enforcement Aides.
If the City refuses to shore up its obligations regarding all municipal pension funds, since it is a contract violation; every city union needs to motion for a Strike Vote pending the expiration of their contract.
If the PEA's union votes FOR a strike, that will seriously hurt the city in Revenue. Especially since PEA's write on average 6000 tickets a Day (at about an average of 50.00 a ticket).
I'd suggest the CPD stop doing Street Cleaning and Rush Hour and (in 018 and 001 and 010) Meter tickets. Revenue is engaging in a 'slow down' on 'productivity' already.
Anonymous said...
The only intelligent thing he said was that employees contributions need to go up. With people living longer, and maxing out for pension benefits earlier it was bound to happen. Especially considering it hasnt increased in over thirty years.
5/09/2012 12:19:00 AM
This is absolutely true, it is the only answer to the whole mess. The pension has been enhanced numerous times, without a commensurate increase in contributions. The problem is that if employee contributions go up, the city contributions must also go up. I suspect that the Mayor would drag his feet on that.
Rahms cuts Veterans services
Sniper on the Skyway - Does this mean the city will have to pay for the "missed" tolls while the road is closed?
Maybe he's someone unhappy with Daley's sale of the Skyway.
"he proposed age to collect for police and fire =60 years old. thats some old and brittle cops and firemen sticking around collecting max salary..."
The hope is that you won't be able to stay on the job that long (disability, prison, you'll just quit or die) and that if you do make it that long on the job, you'll die sooner after leaving.
"I haven't heard rahmbo or potato head talking about reducing welfare benefits..."
Those are the people that keep voting them in - they know that keeping the democrats in office keeps the checks (oops, Link) coming!
"McJersey said, CPD can handle five thousand arrests."
We can, perhaps over the course of the entire summit and once everything's tied up with these 5,000 arrests, look for the breakdown to occur.
So he shook your hand's at St. Jude, implying he supports you.
Then he deliver's a pension message to Springfield saying he wants to fuck you, your famalies, and the retired workers for the city's mistake.
The messgae is clear and has been for a while.
You all better get on board with your union and start to organize.
The message can't get any clearer than this.
No one is going to do it for you.
You all better get behind your union.
Not a cop.
"...this prick has no intention of shoring up our pension funds. He mentions past politicians not honoring their end of the bargain as part of the problem yet he's taking that to the nth degree!
Now he's throwing in the old stand by 'for the children'"
Hey Mr. Mayor, what about MY CHILDREN??
Who's going to provide for them?
The executive and legislative bodies of government have deferred payments OWED to our pension funds for DECADES While top officals in City Hall, the County Board and Springfield have rewritten the rules and "double dipped" and made themselves rich off the government pension system. Now that it's time to pay up all the money they've stolen and deferred, they want to "blame the victim." No rank and file copper, teacher, firefighter, or municipal worker is leaving the job with two or three pensions like our illustrious former mayor who was a big part of the problem concerning pension funding shortfalls. WE"RE NOT THE VILLANS, WE'RE THE VICTIMS.
I don't mind putting more to my pension as long as the city puts in what they owe already PLUS what they are SUPPOSED to do by law and what they agreed to!!!
I guess Sonny was right.
The working man truly is a SUCKER!
and Daley continues to get $180K a year pension and bodyguards...oh, "retired" cops, yet still paid for courtesy of the taxpayer...along with a fully-gased car at his disposal, also paid by the taxpayer.Shove it, Rahm.
Let him suspend his payments, then lock shithead up! It's state law, to fund it! I wouldn't want to be his kiss ass detail guys when this crime goes down.
SCC check this crock of BS on CLTV News. McJersey said, CPD can handle five thousand arrests. Really????
McCarthy tells WGN that depending on where a person is arrested, they will be sent to the nearest police district for processing. He also said the old Western and Belmont station, Area 3 police headquarters, would be the likely detention center for mass arrests.
He went on to say that the Chicago police department can handle 5,000 arrests in the system.
5/09/2012 01:58:00 AM
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Heard it and thought, considering it's ten days away, maybe McWaffler should have a firm idea on where arrestees will be transported and/or housed by now.
Thank God the Feds were sharp enough to realize Chicago's G8 plan was NO PLAN AT ALL. Unfortunately, Chicago's Nato plan is pretty close to the same thing.
Only in chicago would a person thats at least partially responsible for this pension mess be elected Fop president and still serve on the pension board and continue to screw it up. Thanks Mike!
5/09/2012 12:21:00 AM
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Dude are you a fucking retard??? Put your name on here so I can drive over to meet you and slap some sense into you.....
Jack Stone
The only intelligent thing he said was that employees contributions need to go up. With people living longer, and maxing out for pension benefits earlier it was bound to happen. Especially considering it hasnt increased in over thirty years.
5/09/2012 12:19:00 AM
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WHAT? It sure HAS increased the last thirty years.
Nine percent of a $20,000/yr salary (which is what I started at) is $1,800. And, nine percent of an $80,00/yr salary is $18,000.
The percentage should not have to change, except for wasteful overpayments or extraordinarily bad investments/returns. The problem is the CITY illegally refusing to make their required contribution for many years.
All you dummies guarding 4228 N Hermitage are a bunch of sell out pussies. Fuck RAHM and his family...show some pride and get with the program regardless of "its a nice gig". Don't expect anyone to respond to a 10-1 when you call the Command Post on your cell phone as ordered dummies.
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Obviously you don't work in 019! The Disp. assigns cars to make the reliefs. Don't show up on a 10-1! Just remember Moron, its "Our Own" calling Help! Truth be told your probably "the one" that drives the other direction regardless where the 10-1 is!
Signed R.Haislet
When you have a deadbeat dad, do you go after the children to pay back mom?
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Could Not Have Said that Better Myself!!!
Oh okay we won't touch your pensions. We'll cancel your healthcare instead and if you still want healthcare you will pay whatever premium that the Governor decides, subject to change. that's all.
Madigan orders. Now shut up and follow orders. That's all. Just follow orders. You must, you must they said it's necessary.
Yeah it's state workers but it's coming.
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SPRINGFIELD—
House lawmakers moved today to reduce the $800 million annual cost of insurance for retired state workers by making them pay more for health care that some now get for little or nothing.
The action unfolded as House Speaker Michael Madigan, D-Chicago, and Minority Leader Tom Cross, R-Oswego, implored colleagues to make the legislation part of a major effort to rein in billions of dollars in health-care for the poor, public employee pensions and the state’s budget overall.
“The prescription on the table is huge,” Madigan said. “This is one small part of it. …If we can’t do this, what in the world are we going to be able to do?”
Under the legislation, retired state workers, judges, lawmakers and university employees would have premiums for their group health insurance program set each year by the Quinn administration. The bill went to the Senate on a 74-43 vote.
Madigan said the decisions in the coming weeks to are “not for the faint of heart,” but must be tackled to improve the state’s financial health.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-retired-state-employees-could-pay-for-health-coverage-20120509,0,5484372.story
5/09/2012 05:38:00 PM
We do not get freehealthy insurance unless you are part of the 55 group when you retire nor do we get COLA unless u were born before 1955. I hope that If they decide to implement no insurance and no COLA that the Aldermen of this city have their agreed ANNUAL COLA stopped as well as their ANNUAL voted increase to their part time salaries. If they are going to do it, they better do it across the board. They make a higher percentage of their pension in a shorter amount of time plus guaranteed insurance and raises...all for a part time job where their live is never in danger. Seems unfair.
REPEAL GOLD BRAID PENSIONS AND CUT CITY Politicians Pensions.
Vote Tea-Party endorsed REPUBLICANS only, while you still have a Quarter left in your pocket.
5/09/2012 03:42:00 PM
While they are reforming things, why not reform the poor financial managers in charge of the pension? How can you get such low returns on billions of dollars when even small investers are making money in the market. I just do not get it. So we pay even more money to the fund, that is just more money for these financial dropouts to unwisely invest or steal. Then what? Because they failed to invest/protect our money, then we pay more and more to cover up politicians, fund managers inadequacies. Why not reform these things too? These things are not small potatoes but translate into hundreds of millions of dollars.
Anonymous said...
All you dummies guarding 4228 N Hermitage are a bunch of sell out pussies. Fuck RAHM and his family...show some pride and get with the program regardless of "its a nice gig". Don't expect anyone to respond to a 10-1 when you call the Command Post on your cell phone as ordered dummies.
5/09/2012 12:23:00 AM
Listen you pussy Dog, we get put over there by who makes the sheets not by choice, you Dog motherfucker that wouldn't back up another officer even with a 10-1 Another scared little college liberal boy(maybe girl) who should not have this job. The only dummy here is the person that let you get on the job that you never wanted, Get the fuck off this job you Dog ass, Go work at the GAP, go join your Occupy buddies, your not the police.
5/09/2012 02:30:00 PM
To the first post, where do you get off telling policemen not to do their job? What is that going to solve? That would just be spiteful. Police have an obligation to remain professional and to do their jobs. This job is not about personal beliefs.
It is time that we not ask,but demand a casino in Chicago. This would bring in millions. And, it should be required that the money generated be put into the pension system. This is the solution to this catastrophic mess.
I'm glad I moved out of Illinois over forty years ago. I loved the state (except for shitcago) but it was losing its place as a place to live even then.
All of the politicians (don't blame it all on either party) have been destroying the place for decades. Kick ALL of them out, and you might be able to reclaim the place. However, that would probably require you to shoot all of them. They won't leave any other way.
Did you notice how he uses the example of a 1995 retiree having a pension of 60k now having a pension of 100k because of COLA? Who had a 60k pension of 60k in 95? Not a cop, firefighter, street and san worker or teacher!!! But if you read the comments in the rags, every nitwit complains about this fabricated 100k pension!!!
5/09/2012 09:00:00 AM
That's with COMPOUNDED Cola. Only the politicians and their ilk get that type of pension. His example is extremely misleading and designed to further infuriate an overtaxed citizenry. Rahm you're a mis representing, evil bastard. I truly believe karma will take care of you in the end!
All you dummies guarding 4228 N Hermitage are a bunch of sell out pussies. Fuck RAHM and his family...show some pride and get with the program regardless of "its a nice gig". Don't expect anyone to respond to a 10-1 when you call the Command Post on your cell phone as ordered dummies.
5/09/2012 12:23:00 AM Listen you pussy Dog, we get put over there by who makes the sheets not by choice, you Dog motherfucker that wouldn't back up another officer even with a 10-1 Another scared little college liberal boy(maybe girl) who should not have this job. The only dummy here is the person that let you get on the job that you never wanted, Get the fuck off this job you Dog ass, Go work at the GAP, go join your Occupy buddies, your not the police.
5/09/2012 02:30:00 PM
Kind of ironic calling someone scared when you hide behind Rahms house in one of the slowest districts in the City officer, go hit the Red Box or flip through your magazines sir/madam the choice to hide next to the enemies house is yours Office.
The teachers in the Teachers Union can not do simple Math or spell. No one went on strike with Daley, "the theif" as was printed here so many times. Chicago is known as Crook County because of the low information citizens who fight with an intelligent, sympathic leader instead of working with him to make this city a good place to live, you can not blame it all on corrupt politicians anymore. That is probably why they keep electing crooks.
- a citizen
Can't strike, but if we can all agree on a date pre-NATO to do nothing, we would send a strong message to Rham & the rest. Stand down!
Let's organize & send a message now! If we all got together we can't lose.
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