Misery Loves Company
014 at it again:
- OT SCC but she's at it again.........Yes the Lt. from 014 3rd watch, yes the very one who refused to excuse an officer when his wife called him at work and said she was taking their son to the ER, whe the officer asked to be excused she looked and she said "what can you do your not a doctor, your job is here"........well Lt. DH decided on 03July to tell everyone on the 3rd Watch that all DOH denied per the Superintendent.......well FOP was called and found out no suck order existed.....their are some pretty pissed off copers on 3rd Watch who cancelled a lot of plans, and they were equally pissed off when the sheets on the fourth revealed PO's on 2nd watch were given DOH and PO's on 1st Watch the night of the fourth were also given CU.......
A Grievance and a finding against the lieutenant might do wonders for morale. When is the FOP going to start hammering these fools? When is the Department going to start taking administrative action against bosses who so blatantly violate the Contract? And in Garry's name? Name him in the Grievance, too.
And supposedly, there are a couple of EEOC lawsuits brewing in the background of a few districts over similar nonsense. Some lawyers are going to get rich(er).
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Sorry, but no confidence anymore in FOP. They need to be sent back to their districts and units, and a new regime elected.
Mike Shields was a big mistake. He's worse than "enjoy your retro check"
Order was from Wysinger it stated 3rd Watch on the 4th no DOH, and no time on 1st Watch the 5th without the approval of the Bureau Chief. It came out on 1July. She is a pain but not her doing this time.
I thought the DSS couldn't approve DOH for the 4th? Our XO had to sign off on ours.
Can anyone give me a reference to a good lawyer to sue this department???? Please I am serious ....Thanking you in advance. 007th district copper.....
Contract? What union contract?
FOP doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone other than themselves and their office jobs. They have forgotten why we elected them.
But how do you phrase 'miserable excuse for a human being' in a grievance!
I'll work in 014 with no days off!!! Come to 005 and I'll really give you something to cry about.
Don't go with Herbert... Unprepared and consistently late
I agree fop should step up but these officers need to have some balls and initiate some grievances on their own
FLOP isn't gonna do an damn thing..Not with Little Mikey Shields in charge..He be Rahm's Bitch!
I bet if we all called the fop about these alleged forbidden days off there would be a lot more grievances!!
Also in 014 and same Lt. I understand limited time due on the weekends, I don't agree with it, but when did thursday become part of the weekend?
These renegade bosses need only look to City Hall and see all the shit they are getting away with. No wonder they do such bullshit to the troops. And yes...Where is the FOP?
speaking of lawyers getting rich off the city this may seem interesting to you.. or not. The bills the city is paying out for these lawsuits is crazy. One case resulted in only 5,000 dollars paid to the "plaintiff". The attorneys, Irene Dymkar tried to bill the city for 375 hours at 494 dollars per hour. which would have resulted in well over 200,000 dollars for attorney fees. Luckly she was only given 100,000 by the judge which she had to split with 3 other attorneys for over 5 years of work... still way too much in my opinion. What a scam. How come channel 7 isnt looking into these stories??? These schister lawyers who are getting verdicts for only 5 or 10 thousand dollars but then billing the city for 2, 3 or even 500,000 dollars for lawyer fees. maybe someone should audit these hours of the lawyers and find how much of that time they were actually working on that case. The other scam lawyers have is that if they loose one case which they put 100 hours into they scam to get that money either way. What they do is find two or three cases which they are sure to win.. they then add 25 or 30 hours to each case by falsifying the numbers or adding a few hours here and a few hours there then when the win the slam dunk cases they are still getting paid for the winning case and for the previous loosing case. so either way win or loose the lawyers are getting all the money from the city win loose or draw. Hmmmm, sounds illegal to me dont ya think?
If someone knows a lawyer specializing in EEOC complaints should post their phone number. They will get lot$ of p/o's on board who are tired of being denied comp-time off. I believe an arbitrator ruled in our favor several yrs ago agreeing that the dept cant deny comp time off, but nothing's changed. It's not my problem the dumb-ass city hasn't hired in years and no, i'm not looking for another p/o to f'ing trade with.
Can you please share this pertinent information for those that are sick and tired of being bullied verbally and threatened EVERY single day with writing paper ( TO/ FROMs) to non sense with supervisors being named as offenders , to supervisors who feel entitled to write their fellow officers up ( CR # ) yes this happens and the very next day expect performance to at a grand stature just because the Cmdr and Sup decided to roam the street. Ha. Never fathom the thought I'd (we'd ) get so fed up about not only about what the city is doing to us but to go to work every single day and have to deal with people who belittle an officers integrity when making decisions on jobs, constantly change the work schedule as if officers don't request to work with whom they feel comfortable and trust , and the list is so long and so ridiculous who ever reads this would think I'm lying. Our voices need to be heard! We are so miserable and something needs to be done. Who's listening?
"When is the FOP going to start hammering these fools? When if the Department going to start taking administrative action against bosses who so blatantly violate the Contract? And in Garry's name? Name him in the Grievance, too."
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The FOP WILL start hammering these fools when officers step up and defend their contractual rights by filing grievences.
Many officers do not file grievences.
Hmmmm, sounds illegal to me dont ya think?
7/11/2012 03:05:00 AM
you forget 3 things:
1. lawyers make the laws.
2. lawyers adjudicate the laws.
3. we are a nation of laws.
capeeeesh?
This is what happens when you brush your teeth with a fucking hammer for too long. It rattles your brain cells....the Lt would be "exhibit A"
How about this? You don't ask the bitch to go see your kid, you TELL her your going. Try to stop me when my kid's in the fucking hospital. I want to see you write that shit up and have it fly.
So I see the usual few idiots are chiming in on how "FOP ain't doing shit", "FOP should step down", etc, ad naseum.
FOP ain't the problem - they openly encourage filing grievances if you feel you've been harmed. But you'd have to attend an FOP meeting, read the newsletter or take time to actually open the "Little Black Book" to see how a grievance is initiated and how resolution to a grievance is sought. Oh, yeah. You can actually call them and they'll hold your hand and walk you through the process if you ask nicely.
THE PROBLEM IS OFFICERS TOO LAZY AND TOO AFRAID TO DROP THAT PAPER. Big, bad, tough hard-charging policemen AFRAID the boss will be mad at them for wanting impartial implementation of their employment rights guaranteed by a CONTRACT. Worried that - HEAVENS FORBID!!! - they may get put on a late car or foot post if they don't play ball.
I constantly hear officers bitching and moaning about how the bosses and department constantly "violate our contract" for anything from the denial of time off to seniority-based issues to medical-related issues to the elusive and secretly- implemented "quotas".
Here's a suggestion to all you chronic whiners: PUT UP OR SHUT UP. If you feel you've be HARMED (that's a free clue until you make time to read the part of the contract on grievances) DROP THE GRIEVANCE. Ask someone who actually filed one before for help and call the FOP for further instruction. It isn't that hard. Really. Just don't expect quick resolution, as the city's lawyers consistently delay meetings and ignore the timetables/agreed-upon number of grievances scheduled to be heard. Prepared to be in it for the long haul while the FOP works the unfair labor practice beef against the city for the aforementioned stall tactic.
The FOP can only do their part when YOU do yours. Spend less time crying on the blog about how everyone is to blame except yourself and man-up and fight for your rights. And who knows - these actions may help toward defeating the stigma of this job becoming more and more "pussified" thanks to the new generation of CPD officer.
EEOC is the way to get back at these supervisors, document everything and do it on the air too. Fuck them...lawsuit is a must to make a point but remember not to lose your cool.
Haa LMFAO I love it. Fuck this city!
Can anyone give me a reference to a good lawyer to sue this department???? Please I am serious ....Thanking you in advance. 007th district copper.....
7/11/2012 12:22:00 AM
What kind of case?
She must be related to the 2nd watch Lt of 011
Imagine the life of miserable people, what their retired life will be like. What their life outside of work is now. To deny a father to be with an injured son, is not only evil it's sick!
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@ 7/11/2012 03:05:00 AM
Shakespeare had it right.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." ~ Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4
Keep in mind that most politicians and lawmakers are lawyers, so they are all in it together. NO ONE can tell me that as new laws are created and passed throughout our society in this country, that the evil cabal of lawyers and pols haven't worded these laws in such a way as to create loopholes for themselves to render them useless and allow fellow attorneys millions of billable hours to be paid by, you guessed it, the schmuck taxpayers. Some of them are bigger thieves than the thieves themselves!
You need to file the grievece and stop talking about it. I did screw this department. I missed several graduation parties and a wedding for my family. I also missed my daughters championship softball game because they denied my time due. I have over 2000 hours comp time and I'm not being aloud to use it. Screw this department, it's notmy fault there down 2000+ officers.
A buddy of mine told me that in his dist only 8 people could take time off on monday thru Wednesday and only 5 on Thursday thru Sunday.
008 is just as bad
officers don't just write shit on here speak up and use your voice. call and keep calling get fop to do what u want them to do for you. I hope you know you are paying those lazy people so stand up and use your voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too many chickens in this department.
Sorry, but no confidence anymore in FOP. They need to be sent back to their districts and units, and a new regime elected.
STOP!!!! TALKING AND START DOING LET THE SHIT FLOW OUT OF UR A&& .
we need a new regime yea right how stupid do you sound . this department is all f%%king talk that is all people do is talk s%it all the time and no one ever does what they said no balls how sad..................................
These renegade bosses need only look to City Hall and see all the shit they are getting away with. No wonder they do such bullshit to the troops. And yes...Where is the FOP?
FOP IS AT 1412 W WASHINGTON
PHONE 312-733-7776 . \
OK NEXT QUESTION?
"When is the FOP going to start hammering these fools? When if the Department going to start taking administrative action against bosses who so blatantly violate the Contract? And in Garry's name? Name him in the Grievance, too."
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The FOP WILL start hammering these fools when officers step up and defend their contractual rights by filing grievences.
Many officers do not file grievences.
LOL!!! SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF WHINING GIRLS. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.
But 014 is now a yuppie district. Most of their trash moved into 025 017 and 016. (Only a little bit of crap on their southwestern border.
Officers and lawyers are going to get rich because some watch commander denies day off holiday? Are you serious? Are you for real? For one you sure do not understand labor law or the EEOC. This is called management rights. It might be wrong and the watch commander might be a bad manager or leader, but that does not make it illegal. And, I really do not think the FOP has a leg to stand on in this matter. Sad as it is.
Anonymous said...
Can anyone give me a reference to a good lawyer to sue this department???? Please I am serious ....Thanking you in advance. 007th district copper.....
7/11/2012 12:22:00 AM
Do you know what you are asking? This is a tough road you are going down. I did this and regret it. You will pay thousands up front for expenses, the department will intimidate your witnesses and if you lose you will pay the expenses of the city, which can run thousands. And, if you win, which is a dubious term, you really do not stand to walk away with much money unless what the city did to you is way over the top . The city comes after you lwith an army of attorneys and looks into every aspect of your life.
Lt. DH is the most evil woman I have ever had the displeasure to deal with
Stay far away from her. If you work for her bail out at the first opportunity! Never seen anything so nasty as that one!
SCC thanks for giving 014 a spotlight, it does help.
As far as balls go, we have none on 3rd watch in 014. When the entire command structure on this "grievance" has circled the wagons on this one.... we see that it is hopeless.
Our future performance reflects how much our command structure advocates for their subordinates.
Their job is to look out for our best interests ie:time off, safety, working conditions. Since they don't on third watch, we thus are unable to perform to their best interests ie: comstat meeting statistics.
It's simple math. It's a slow and steady coarse.
FYI: I believe that the 014 commander has looked steller at past comstat meeting because of the sweat of our brows. Is not our work appreciated. Every other watch and district in the city had DOH.
What gives? We don't deserve this.
FOP can't file the grievance, the officers need to.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'll work in 014 with no days off!!! Come to 005 and I'll really give you something to cry about.
7/11/2012 12:48:00 AM
HAHAHAHAHA This sounds about right!!
I am pretty sure that an officer needs to come forward and file a grievance. The FOP probably can't file a grievance based on an "anonymous" blog posting.
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict most of the current F.O.P. representatives will NOT ne re-elected.
I'm so glad I'm NOT in 014 dealing with idiots like this! Sorry to the Coppers there, who have to deal with this idiot!
Just to think, these bozos bosses want people to go out on the street and get activity for them to look good! I got a big FUCK YOU to that Lt. and any "Stupervisor" that thinks like her!
Da Pelon
hair gels , document lt dh starting and quiting time , is the lt reporting for duty on time , in uniform? check off with alot of case reports and parking tickets.
parking tickets piss the people off. tell citizens the city needs the money to provide for illegals.
Hey SCC, need some help. I'm a retired copper from dolton, Ill. (when it was a nice town)My grandfather was a Chicago Officer from 1907 til 1932.I have a time line for his career. On the job 12/23/07, Detective Sergeant in 1913(appointed). Promoted to Sergeant 1920,States Attorney police 1927 til 1931,retired Oct. 1932.I need help getting his star #'s.The only # i have is the Sergeant star from 1920. I have tried the pension office and was told that Star #'s were not necessary on the forms back then.He was assigned to the old Hyde Park station, the old Woodlawn station and,Grand Crossing any help or ideas would bee appreciated.I would like to get replica stars made to be passed on to my sons who are police officers in Georgia.Thanks for the help,Dolton old timer.
I'm not overly sure whether or not the FOP is doing their jobs or not but I GUARANTEE too many coppers are bitching and not doing shit about it themselves. Every guy or girl that was denied should file a grievance, do you need the FOP to hold your hand for everything? On a side note ANY of you that believe the grievances will really matter probably didn't grow up in this town. The city is tied in with everyone, including the arbitrators and if you don't believe that you're being naive. Over the years of corruption they have made or put friends in every position that benefits them. Just because someone is an arbitrator doesn't mean they are on the take. Look at some past rulings, it's incredibly obvious. Contracts truly don't mean shit in this town and the more we continue to elect the same thieving democrats consistently it will only get worse. FACT
The arbitrator gave us the option to EXCHANGE time with other officers. The Department can still restrict time as needed.
Anonymous said...
If someone knows a lawyer specializing in EEOC complaints should post their phone number. They will get lot$ of p/o's on board who are tired of being denied comp-time off. I believe an arbitrator ruled in our favor several yrs ago agreeing that the dept cant deny comp time off, but nothing's changed. It's not my problem the dumb-ass city hasn't hired in years and no, i'm not looking for another p/o to f'ing trade with.
7/11/2012 03:08:00 AM
The arbitrator awarded us the duty trade option. I know of not one single PO who has successfully used that option.
This is how Rahm is going with a 2,000 officer short police department. No time off, no summer furloughs, no good bosses left and Rahm doesn't give a fuck. And next Rahm will make a pension grab. And he will tell you it is for the good of the City.
But Rahm won't dare to take any of the entitlements from the savages, oh no, not that. Remember, he promised $250 million for a new Malcolm X College, Rahm isn't going to tell those future brain surgeons they can't have an education but he has no problem telling us we can't have time off and can't have a livable pension.
All this while Rahm lives the life of privilege. Police in front of and behind his house, police to take his kids everywhere. He lives like royalty. But if one of us dare to go to a hospital emergency room to be with our family? Don't even think about it buster.
Anonymous said...
Sorry, but no confidence anymore in FOP. They need to be sent back to their districts and units, and a new regime elected.
7/11/2012 12:07:00 AM
Spring of 2015 is your next chance.
Dont blame Shields about grievences,its a committee headed by Aguilar and Dougherty. I filed a grievence against Lt Heraty,it was fop who withdrew the grievence even though I showed them that 1 her first allegation was false by her own words in a supp report. 2 the department found a not sustained on 1 part of the allegation which could be proven via CPD inventory, 3 Lt Heraty never stated what order I disobeyed. FOP more so Rich Aguilar didnt care that all this was proven, he said there is a Sgt as a witness and thats all that counts. The Sgt had given his initial statement then changed it when he was at IAD. The committee felt it was ok for the Sgt to ammend his statement and that the rest of the supervisors to violate our contract and Department policy.
"When is the FOP going to start hammering these fools? When if the Department going to start taking administrative action against bosses who so blatantly violate the Contract? And in Garry's name? Name him in the Grievance, too."
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The FOP WILL start hammering these fools when officers step up and defend their contractual rights by filing grievences.
Many officers do not file grievences.
7/11/2012 03:38:00 AM
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Yeah, thanks Mike. Or Rich.
Some of us have filed grievances years ago and they seem to fall into some black hole at fop. And don't feed us the line that we should be the ones calling, checking on their status. That's your fucking job. You show up every day to 1412 w Washington. I show up to my district and do MY job. Now you fucking do yours.
Everyone that wants to sue the Dept should just call Loevy & Loevy.I'm sure they would refer you to some police hating lawyer just waiting to sue anybody.
You think this is bad. How about the XO in 005? Last Saturday he gave a list of P.O.'s who he approved personal days off for that night on 1st watch and gave it to a P.O. with the orders to make home visits to their house and inform them that their Personal Day has been cancelled and they are to come into work immediately. Luckily "no one was home" and "no one answered their phones." Is this guy serious? All because there were reports that there was going to be a big party at "The Factory." What difference would those 3 or 4 P.O.'s that were allowed to use their Personal Day make? Why not call for the Gun Teams/Sat Teams/ or Tact Teams to help out? Oh I forgot, they can take off whatever time they want, screw patrol. It really is a shame what this job has become.
I would tell people that they should call FOP but they are completely useless now that all these new guys who were voted in realized that they shouldn't have taken the position if they never even read the contract.
The 014th District is a breeding ground for Screaming Disrespectful bosses but, it will NEVER Change as long as they have a Screaming Disrespectful Commander. This Commander is so heavy in CLOUT that she thinks she can treat people like shit. EVERYONE!!!!
Talks about how she has Fucked up Moral in 14 Officers and Supervisors alike hate to see her walk through the door.
Plain and simple the manpower shortage is the city's problem not ours as police officers. Why should we be forced to unwillingly abandon and disregard portions of our contractual benefits because the city can't manage it's budget and refuses to adequately staff the police department. How is it my problem when their aren't enough officers on a busy weekend? It's not. Although I care deeply about my fellow officers who may have to work alongside fewer personnel on a hot weekend, why should I be forced to cancel long made plans because of the city's intractable stubbornness to hire more officers. Truth be told is I will not feel guilty for taking time off which costs me roughly 200 dollars by forfeiting 8.5 hours to the city, when the watch or my team is left shorthanded. It's frankly not my problem and I will not be bullied, ordered, or guilted into abandoning something Ive earned via overtime or court time to aid the city. I for one will fe a grievance to combat any official abrogation of my contractual rights. And officers better start waking up and doing the same!
The whole reason for this post is so FOP and the minions that run this department can see how bad it has gotten on 3rd watch in 014. Lt. DH, has ruined morale and has pitted po's against supervisors. Which can make for a volitole work environment. We as po's need to stick together on this issue, we need to not give into her demands to use a personal day for a day off requested . We have earned our "time due" and we should be able to use it as is. We need to stop bringing in the activity for this watch and stand united with this grievance! FOP if your reading this post do something about it!
If this Lt did prevent the officer from leaving for a family emergency then the watch should send a clear and powerful message to the Lt and the Commander through complete inaction on the watch. Do your job, answer calls, but nothing else. No movers no parkers no arrests. And do a report for everything that comes up. And make sure the report is done thoroughly, which takes time to do. Don't give them something to hurt you with but shut down all activity on the watch. Everyone needs to be on board. The time off issue is department wide, but family issues are no brainers. Why did this PO ask the Lt to leave and not the sgt?
12;22 i would suggest JIM MORRISEY one hell of a attny, that has gone after the dept, over various issues and WON big time, i beleive he used to have a office at 103rd and western next to little ceasers pizza on the east side of the street in the mini mall, good luck brother.
Can anyone give me a reference to a good lawyer to sue this department???? Please I am serious ....Thanking you in advance. 007th district copper.....
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Ed Fox and Associates or Kenneth Flaxman. There is always Loevy and Loevy but I wouldnt use them. They have represented coppers before but usually wont represent a copper unless its gonna be worth over a million dollars... not to mention they are scumbags. Ed Fox is a pain in the ass but will represent you against the city for just about anything and Flaxman sues the city(and police dept) quite often but has also represented coppers who sue the city.. Ed Fox sometimes is not liked by some of the federal judges so flaxman might be your best bet... hes also been suing the city and practicing civil law for over 30 years. They are all shiester lawyers but arent they all.. if you want to get paid youve got to use the same guys that pookie uses to sue us. sad, but true.
If someone knows a lawyer specializing in EEOC complaints should post their phone number. They will get lot$ of p/o's on board who are tired of being denied comp-time off. I believe an arbitrator ruled in our favor several yrs ago agreeing that the dept cant deny comp time off, but nothing's changed. It's not my problem the dumb-ass city hasn't hired in years and no, i'm not looking for another p/o to f'ing trade with.
hahahha, yeah right. by a bunch of p.os you mean a dozen or so. Nobody now a days will step up and speak out against these bosses. Way too many people these days think that filing a grievance is coming on this site and crying about it. Its pretty pathetic
we hated her when she was in 018. then she left or was dumped, happiness returned and the misery returned when sarlitto arrived.
I've never seen it this bad in 014. The moral is so low. Nobody wants to do anything. It starts with Cmdr LF. No confidence in her as a boss. She has very, very bad leadership skills. She caters to these alderman, especially to the "one" who hates the police and petitions for convicted cop killers to get out of prison. God forbid you haven't made it to that alderman's house yet for a report. She will be blowing up district phone and zone sarcastically asking "where are those PO's". Downtown needs to clean house in 014. PO's just want to be left alone so we can do are job and give us what we have earned, Time Due!
Anonymous said...
"When is the FOP going to start hammering these fools? When if the Department going to start taking administrative action against bosses who so blatantly violate the Contract? And in Garry's name? Name him in the Grievance, too."
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The FOP WILL start hammering these fools when officers step up and defend their contractual rights by filing grievences.
Many officers do not file grievences.
7/11/2012 03:38:00 AM
Below is a link to the contract under which we still operate. Can someone, anyone, please quote article and section of that portion of the contract which provides us with the contractual right to take time off using compensatory time, BFD Days, P-Days etc. because my vision is bad, my hearing is not so good and after 27 years I am tired of looking for it.
http://chicagofop.org/contract/contract_07-12.pdf
In the meantime I am going to go get me an Asian Carp slider and then go puke.
Anonymous said...
Also in 014 and same Lt. I understand limited time due on the weekends, I don't agree with it, but when did thursday become part of the weekend?
7/11/2012 01:52:00 AM
About the same time that people started to expect to be given an early quit on workday number 4 because it was their "Friday."
I find it amazing that people who never worked the hated 6 day work week now are so tired and worn out on the 4th consecutive day of work that they feel entitled to be excused several hours early after 3 and a half days of alleged work and if they don't get their early duck then the sergeant is "an asshole." Unbelievable.
The FOP is full of shit! Even if they City violates the contract, they will not help you at all....On my case, the City clearly violated the contract and the FOP refused to help. They then stated that "they" the FOP kinda allowed the City to break the contract. Mike Shields just sat there like a deer in headlights cause the MF doesn't know what the fuk he's doing.....
Please call the FOP and initiate grievances. You guys are like battered wife's who accept the beating and complain to friends but say everything is ok when the police are called. Step up start the grievance procedure. Start filing hostile work environment complaints and getting cr#s on incompetent hostile bosses. If you don't stand up for yourselves the FOP can't save you. The only thing the city understands is losing money through grievances and lawsuits.
Grievances! sure it's your right to file one but then it only goes right back to the same mf's to vote on.... the worthless grievance comittee.... They all look around and vote in your absence. then they come back and say "well we voted on we're not going to proceed with your grievance." Then u fire back and say, but they (city) violated the contract and then Rich Aguilar gets pissed that u challenged his little grievance group and gives u the old "take it to the full board" shit. Then u do, and it's the same mf's voting. they then have u present ur case to the board, they sit around like fools pretending like they know what they're doing and finally vote and deny taking ur case to full arbitration!!!! They have complete control to pursue ur grievance. so file away, they will just deny ur request for arbitration! the FOP is not a fukn union or here to help.... Trust me, i've been thru the process, city clearly violated the terms of the contract, i proved it to the FOP, and since they allowed the city to violate the contract. they denied my grievances... ur at their miserable mercy.
I don't feel sorry for you guys in 014 at all. You alone have the power to change things. Yet you don't do it and want someone else (i.e. the FOP, the media, etc....) to make changes for you. You would be surprised what you can accomplish if the entire watch stuck together.
I agree that the only way to start making a case is to bury them in paperwork. Bitching on this website isn't going to do a damn thing. Burying them with their own words and mounds of paperwork, witnesses and copies of CO book orders may wake a few people up. It may not help your case especially since it will be weeks/months when the decision comes down, but you may be helping someone else or even yourself for the next go-round. It would also be helpful to get copies of A&A's to bolster your grievance when others were allowed time of --- and that means bosses, too. It would be helpful if the FOP actually had classes on filing grievances.... I'm sure there are a few people who would go, even on their own time to help themselves and fellow officers. Then when the department tries to tag you as a "bad seed" you may even make money on having to work in a hostile work environment.
The saddest part of all this is that if you had a great boss, as some of us have had in the past, most of this would be unnecessary. Guys go out of their way to help a great boss. Even forgoing overtime to get stuff done. This next contract negotiation will be upsetting for most. I can't imagine what we will have to concede to in order to keep what we have. Until the city wakes up to what is happening (which they won't) the great standoff will come down to them or us. May the good guys win.
Reading this thread is disgusting.
I am no union proponent and I guess here is the reason why.
WHAT IS THE UNION DOING FOR YOU????
This is clear-cut case of taking this LT to the wall for her BS and where is FOP?
Your union should be all over this. She should be made an example of. A BIG EXAMPLE.
By not doing anything, your "union" shows how weak they are.
As an executive, I would not tolerate this LT in my organization, ESPECIALLY not in any type of managerial role.
You manage resources, but you LEAD people. There is no leadership there. She should be bounced out.
THAT is the problem with the whole environment of CPD. Bad management is NOT tossed out.
Plus, leadership starts at the top to define the tone of the whole organization and I do not have to expound on that as you all know what the score is.
1) New superintendent
2) Many "bosses" demoted (or kicked off the force entirely)
3) People promoted based on skills, not who they know.
That is the formula for success. Simple and in three steps. Even a caveman could do it.
With good leadership, there is NO NEED for a union - especially a weak one like you have here.
Not a LEO, JAFO
an anyone give me a reference to a good lawyer to sue this department???? Please I am serious ....Thanking you in advance. 007th district copper..........................................your a ranger and you dont know any lawyers?
Just some info on a couple of points. There is NO provision in our contract that says the department HAS to grant us time due. Since nothing in the contract, no grievance. Secondly, the only time the city MUST grant time due is if you have FLSA time on the books. Virtually no one has this consequently, no law suit, no EEOC, no legal recourse. There is a lot of misinformation on these points and hope this clarifies these points.
SCC said.....
"When is the Department going to start taking administrative action"
I'm sure the City and Department will take action.....look for the initials DH on the next list of appointed supervisors.
I know how u guys feel in 014 and 005. I work in 018 and was out to lunch with my sgt. I asked him to pass the mustard. He gave me the yellow mustard instead of the grey poupon. I nearly lost it and had to leave the restaurant.
DH is and has always been sick, literally sick. Why she has a job & a position is guess work. I've heard its because her father owed big time. It's a sad sad statement that someone as sick as her runs a car let alone anything else.
That Lt is a jagoff! She chewed us out for making a legit Aggravated battery arrest!
As an executive, I would not tolerate this LT in my organization, ESPECIALLY not in any type of managerial role.
You manage resources, but you LEAD people. There is no leadership there. She should be bounced out.
THAT is the problem with the whole environment of CPD. Bad management is NOT tossed out.
Plus, leadership starts at the top to define the tone of the whole organization and I do not have to expound on that as you all know what the score is.
1) New superintendent
2) Many "bosses" demoted (or kicked off the force entirely)
3) People promoted based on skills, not who they know.
That is the formula for success. Simple and in three steps. Even a caveman could do it.
With good leadership, there is NO NEED for a union - especially a weak one like you have here.
well....once a lt., always a lt., in the cpd....now, as far as managerial skills, the individual unit/district commanders, who are appointed and serve at the discretion of he supt. (and can be demoted), can supervise their lt's....now, the big consideration:....POLITICS!...the politics of race, gender, ethnicity, family ties, friendships, etc......factor that in, and you see why there are huge problems
We have no contractual right to be given time. None.
And DH, as miserable as a person as she is, lied. But it doesn't matter because the WC or DC determines who can or can not send slips to the 1st Deputy (regarding the 4th)
We won a grievance regarding time due. That grievance said that you can take FSLA time at any time (once again, barring manpower issues which the department dictates) and gave us the option of a tour of duty exchange. That's it.
We have NO RIGHT to take time off. our contract says we can accumulate time, not take it.
As shitty as that is, I think everyone has been spoiled because we have had such an easy time taking off the last 10 years. Wish everyone crying now could have experienced the "Real" Captains who would switch your DOG every time you had a weekend, or change your watch at a whim because they wanted their guys on days, or when you never saw a Sergeant and you COULDN'T get 2 on the end...and if you did, the slip Always WENT in...
But, we are in different times and people expect different things. Be glad you can still usually get off when you need to and that you get at a minimum 4 weeks vacation without extending.
If someone knows a lawyer specializing in EEOC complaints should post their phone number. They will get lot$ of p/o's on board who are tired of being denied comp-time off. I believe an arbitrator ruled in our favor several yrs ago agreeing that the dept cant deny comp time off, but nothing's changed. It's not my problem the dumb-ass city hasn't hired in years and no, i'm not looking for another p/o to f'ing trade with.
Call the lawyer on ABC 7 investiagtive report thats sueing Gieger and the FOP
Did you ever see D.H. and Kirby in the same room? Just asking.
Anonymous said...
an anyone give me a reference to a good lawyer to sue this department???? Please I am serious ....Thanking you in advance. 007th district copper..........................................your a ranger and you dont know any lawyers?
7/11/2012 02:53:00 PM
Loevy & Loevy and Flint Taylor of The Peoples Law Office seem to have the best results but I doubt they would take on a police officer as a client. Loevy wouldn't even give me an in-person interview when I wanted to sue the department. I didn't think they would but I wrote to them anyway, just for yucks.
Lt. DH has been a real asshole from her day one on the job.
If someone knows a lawyer specializing in EEOC complaints should post their phone number. They will get lot$ of p/o's on board who are tired of being denied comp-time off. I believe an arbitrator ruled in our favor several yrs ago agreeing that the dept cant deny comp time off, but nothing's changed. It's not my problem the dumb-ass city hasn't hired in years and no, i'm not looking for another p/o to f'ing trade with.
hahahha, yeah right. by a bunch of p.os you mean a dozen or so. Nobody now a days will step up and speak out against these bosses. Way too many people these days think that filing a grievance is coming on this site and crying about it. Its pretty pathetic
7/11/2012 12:29:00 PM
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Deloughery was moved out of 019 after nineteen sworn went to the commander and informed him they were about to file a Federal lawsuit and CRs on her. Change can and does happen when people decide to MAKE it happen.
If this Lt did prevent the officer from leaving for a family emergency then the watch should send a clear and powerful message to the Lt and the Commander through complete inaction on the watch. Do your job, answer calls, but nothing else. No movers no parkers no arrests. And do a report for everything that comes up. And make sure the report is done thoroughly, which takes time to do. Don't give them something to hurt you with but shut down all activity on the watch. Everyone needs to be on board. The time off issue is department wide, but family issues are no brainers. Why did this PO ask the Lt to leave and not the sgt?
7/11/2012 11:47:00 AM
Probably because chain of command requires it. No sergeant can just tell you it's okay to go home. The lieutenant would rip them a new one, and rightfully so. If the sergeant says it's okay with them, then the lieutenant gets the request and has the say-so. (Just a sergeant here. What do I know.)
Anonymous said...
hair gels , document lt dh starting and quiting time , is the lt reporting for duty on time , in uniform? check off with alot of case reports and parking tickets.
parking tickets piss the people off. tell citizens the city needs the money to provide for illegals.
7/11/2012 09:03:00 AM
Uniform? That's for OTHER people. Hair hanging long and unkempt, uniform slovenly, leaves early. And let's not forget the foul truck-driver mouth. (Sorry, truck drivers.)
This job is hard enough. why wouldn't the bosses try to make it easier for us to relax
If this is the same D.H I'm thinking of.... (I now work south).
She was in 023 as a P.O.
She knew everything when she had 5 mins on the job because her dad was a Lt. and her uncle was a Capt.
Very few people wanted to work with her.
She was a bitch on wheels then, I can't imagine what an entitled bitch on wheels she would be now with a white shirt.
I believe she went to school at St Ignatius, so she did grow up with the C.P.D. silver spoon in her mouth.
The more back up she had, the bigger her mouth got, and the braver she became.
Just try to ignore her when possible. She hates that.
FOP doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone other than themselves and their office jobs. They have forgotten why we elected them
You guys voted for these guys. Now deal with it dummies....
Bill Wragg said...
Hey SCC, need some help. I'm a retired copper from dolton, Ill. (when it was a nice town)My grandfather was a Chicago Officer from 1907 til 1932.I have a time line for his career. On the job 12/23/07, Detective Sergeant in 1913(appointed). Promoted to Sergeant 1920,States Attorney police 1927 til 1931,retired Oct. 1932.I need help getting his star #'s.The only # i have is the Sergeant star from 1920. I have tried the pension office and was told that Star #'s were not necessary on the forms back then.He was assigned to the old Hyde Park station, the old Woodlawn station and,Grand Crossing any help or ideas would bee appreciated.I would like to get replica stars made to be passed on to my sons who are police officers in Georgia.Thanks for the help,Dolton old timer
I DID SOME RESEARCH ON OFFICERS OF THAT ERA AND GOOD INFORMATION CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE PERSONNEL DIVISION. ASK FOR A COPY OF HIS PERSONNEL FILE. GOOD LUCK.
Bill Wragg said...
Hey SCC, need some help. I'm a retired copper from dolton, Ill. (when it was a nice town)My grandfather was a Chicago Officer from 1907 til 1932.I have a time line for his career. On the job 12/23/07, Detective Sergeant in 1913(appointed). Promoted to Sergeant 1920,States Attorney police 1927 til 1931,retired Oct. 1932.I need help getting his star #'s.The only # i have is the Sergeant star from 1920. I have tried the pension office and was told that Star #'s were not necessary on the forms back then.He was assigned to the old Hyde Park station, the old Woodlawn station and,Grand Crossing any help or ideas would bee appreciated.I would like to get replica stars made to be passed on to my sons who are police officers in Georgia.Thanks for the help,Dolton old timer.
7/11/2012 09:16:00 AM
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Try the Memorial Foundation.
They have done a great job of tracking down info such as this.
Bill Wragg said...
Hey SCC, need some help. I'm a retired copper from dolton, Ill. (when it was a nice town)My grandfather was a Chicago Officer from 1907 til 1932.I have a time line for his career. On the job 12/23/07, Detective Sergeant in 1913(appointed). Promoted to Sergeant 1920,States Attorney police 1927 til 1931,retired Oct. 1932.I need help getting his star #'s.The only # i have is the Sergeant star from 1920. I have tried the pension office and was told that Star #'s were not necessary on the forms back then.He was assigned to the old Hyde Park station, the old Woodlawn station and,Grand Crossing any help or ideas would bee appreciated.I would like to get replica stars made to be passed on to my sons who are police officers in Georgia.Thanks for the help,Dolton old timer.
7/11/2012 09:16:00 AM
Try contacting the Chicago Police Benefit Annuity Fund (that is our pension). Or there is a Chicago Police Historical Society. I don't know their exact name but when I was in the academy they had a nice historical presentation. They might be of help to you. Good luck.
I've been thinking about posting this for awhile, and now the time seems right. I recently changed assignments, and I went from a place where the sgts. pretty much treated me with derision, to a place where my sgt. actually apologizes when he has to give me a job, and thanks me for what I do.
I would go to the ends of the earth for this guy. And it's not bs. It's making the best of the situation we're all in. I was thinking that boosting morale would do so much for this dept. Just having a boss who is nice to you--my god, it's done so much to boost my mood. And no, I have not partaken of the Kool-aid. It is just that working conditions are so much better now.
Need an employment attorney, hire the best.
Michael Shakman, 180 N LaSalle (312) 263-3700
Tell Mr Shakman Mike Sullivan sent you
YES, he is THAT Michael Shakman
7/11/2012 05:57:00 AM
Amen Brother...
I see hundreds of posts on here about this or that and stop writing this or that..
And what do the PO's do? Continue to write this and that (street cleaning and rush hour and meters in 019/018/001).
I haven't written a parker for my district in 5 years and I still have my car in 014/
"if your not happy switch watches", said fop. Watch a lodge that's no union.
Ah yes...big bad 014..
Penny's old stomping grounds.
Nice to see shit hasn't changed.
Question...I was in 014 all day today...
What exactly do PO's do all day in 014 if they are not 'down on a call?"
I watched Squads drive by the Starbucks at Logan and California for the entire Rush Hour...and not ticket a single car for the Rush hour (7am-9am) or Bus Stop on the corner (at least 2 to 3 cars there every 10 minutes).
Only time I ever see you guys on a car is during 35th Ward and 1st Ward Street Cleaning.
Anonymous said...
Grievances! sure it's your right to file one but then it only goes right back to the same mf's to vote on.... the worthless grievance comittee.... They all look around and vote in your absence. then they come back and say "well we voted on we're not going to proceed with your grievance." Then u fire back and say, but they (city) violated the contract and then Rich Aguilar gets pissed that u challenged his little grievance group and gives u the old "take it to the full board" shit. Then u do, and it's the same mf's voting. they then have u present ur case to the board, they sit around like fools pretending like they know what they're doing and finally vote and deny taking ur case to full arbitration!!!! They have complete control to pursue ur grievance. so file away, they will just deny ur request for arbitration! the FOP is not a fukn union or here to help.... Trust me, i've been thru the process, city clearly violated the terms of the contract, i proved it to the FOP, and since they allowed the city to violate the contract. they denied my grievances... ur at their miserable mercy.
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Amen Brother! The current regime needs to be voted out! Don-a-HO needs to be shit canned and sent on his merry way!
Just a reminder.
Any Press conferences will have to wait until I return from my training.
LT. J.A.
011 Dist
Capt Bay in 011 says we are down contact cards and he wants us to go out and get him some cards so he can look good at comstat.
Sure Roger boy, just as soon as we can get some time due.
Until that starts to happen you can go them yourself.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Grievances! sure it's your right to file one but then it only goes right back to the same mf's to vote on.... the worthless grievance comittee.... They all look around and vote in your absence. then they come back and say "well we voted on we're not going to proceed with your grievance." Then u fire back and say, but they (city) violated the contract and then Rich Aguilar gets pissed that u challenged his little grievance group and gives u the old "take it to the full board" shit. Then u do, and it's the same mf's voting. they then have u present ur case to the board, they sit around like fools pretending like they know what they're doing and finally vote and deny taking ur case to full arbitration!!!! They have complete control to pursue ur grievance. so file away, they will just deny ur request for arbitration! the FOP is not a fukn union or here to help.... Trust me, i've been thru the process, city clearly violated the terms of the contract, i proved it to the FOP, and since they allowed the city to violate the contract. they denied my grievances... ur at their miserable mercy.
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Amen Brother! The current regime needs to be voted out! Don-a-HO needs to be shit canned and sent on his merry way!
7/11/2012 08:44:00 PM
I am definitely on the side of the working police, unit rep in fact. But get this straight, on this subject, taking time due, there is no provision in the contract that gives any of us contractual protection to use the time as we see fit. None.
There are contractual provisions on earning that time. None for using it. So curse the FOP all you want, the grievance committee, Aguilar et al;, but please, get your facts straight. Bring a contract book with you in the squad car and read it every coffee break until you have it memorized. Until you know the contract backwards, forwards, inside out do not bother posting about filing grievances. Not until you know exactly which article of the contract is being violated. There is lots we do not like but not all of that is a contract violation. There is no contract violation for "I just don't like that shit."
You should check with the XO to see if the slips were even forwarded by her for approval.
hey he should've got a cr # on garry mac and his driver for conducting a street stop without completeing contact cards
Better call Saul!!!
wow
Below is a link to the contract under which we still operate. Can someone, anyone, please quote article and section of that portion of the contract which provides us with the contractual right to take time off using compensatory time, BFD Days, P-Days etc. because my vision is bad, my hearing is not so good and after 27 years I am tired of looking for it.
After 27 years you shouldn't need to be lead like a blind guide dog. You should have a working knowledge of the contract with some idea on how to find the relevant section.
I bet you are still looking for the pre-printed 193 Disorderly Conduct complaints.
Staffing levels, manpower, size of the department are management rights.
The use of time due, BFD's, vacation time, is subject to department's operational needs.
While the difficulty of getting elective time off may be due to the city's incompetence, that is not a greivable offense.
The arbitrator gave us the duty swap option. While it may be cumbersome to use, USE IT. Put in for it. Even if you don't get it, you still leave a paper trail. Bitching and moaning and groaning with filing anything doesn't do any good.
Trust me, i've been thru the process, city clearly violated the terms of the contract, i proved it to the FOP, and since they allowed the city to violate the contract. they denied my grievances... ur at their miserable mercy.
Then you file a grievance against the FOP at the State Labor Board.
7/11/2012 08:15 am
You've never met Lucy Moy Bartosik then-she is pure evil!
Anonymous said...
But how do you phrase 'miserable excuse for a human being' in a grievance!
7/11/2012 12:45:00 AM
Here are a couple of notions.......
Sgt XX has created an objectionably hostile working environment. Sgt XX has violated Personnel Section .....by engaging in repeated discourteous treatment, including verbal abuse of uniformed officers and subordinate staff.
Hire the attorney who won the case a few years back for white firefighters. Linda Friedman at Stowell and Friedman.
Probably because chain of command requires it. No sergeant can just tell you it's okay to go home. The lieutenant would rip them a new one, and rightfully so. If the sergeant says it's okay with them, then the lieutenant gets the request and has the say-so. (Just a sergeant here. What do I know.)
You're right what do you know. I am also a Sgt. and we can absolutely excuse someone sick or for family emergency; we are the field supervisor, the Lt. or Sgt. is DSS, responsible for the station. My fellow Sgts. need to grow a pair and make some decisions, our officers have it hard enough and deserve nothing less..
7/11/2012 12:22:00 AM
Do you know what you are asking? This is a tough road you are going down. I did this and regret it. You will pay thousands up front for expenses, the department will intimidate your witnesses and if you lose you will pay the expenses of the city, which can run thousands. And, if you win, which is a dubious term, you really do not stand to walk away with much money unless what the city did to you is way over the top . The city comes after you with an army of attorneys and looks into every aspect of your life.
7/11/2012 08:08:00 AM
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So true. Add to this that the City gets and receives gag orders on their employment cases up front to keep them out of the public's eye. There are no punitive damages, so your recovery, if you manage to survive summary judgement, will be comprised of what you can prove you lost monetarily.
Most employment lawyers shy away from employment cases against the city because no punitive damages are available and they know they will be buried alive in paperwork by a horde of lawyers from the Corporation Counsels Office.
I've been thinking about posting this for awhile, and now the time seems right. I recently changed assignments, and I went from a place where the sgts. pretty much treated me with derision, to a place where my sgt. actually apologizes when he has to give me a job, and thanks me for what I do.
I would go to the ends of the earth for this guy. And it's not bs. It's making the best of the situation we're all in. I was thinking that boosting morale would do so much for this dept. Just having a boss who is nice to you--my god, it's done so much to boost my mood. And no, I have not partaken of the Kool-aid. It is just that working conditions are so much better now.
7/11/2012 07:36:00 PM
so, when's the baby due?
I really do not understand what these psychopaths think they accomplish when they scream at their underlings. LF and DH have no business being on this DEPARTMENT, let alone in positions of leadership. They are prime examples why the leadership in this dept is laughable. Until they are dealt with, what chance do we have?
Anonymous said...
Below is a link to the contract under which we still operate. Can someone, anyone, please quote article and section of that portion of the contract which provides us with the contractual right to take time off using compensatory time, BFD Days, P-Days etc. because my vision is bad, my hearing is not so good and after 27 years I am tired of looking for it.
After 27 years you shouldn't need to be lead like a blind guide dog. You should have a working knowledge of the contract with some idea on how to find the relevant section.
I bet you are still looking for the pre-printed 193 Disorderly Conduct complaints.
7/11/2012 11:54:00 PM
Still, you haven't posted article and section.
EEOC complaints can only be filed if you are denied time due because of what you are: racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc
You want to get the FOP to file an unfair labor practice complaint.
If that doesn't work, sue!
Maybe DH, Kirby and Moy are really, really micious versions of the Stepford Wives-the Stepford Command Staff!
I watched Squads drive by the Starbucks at Logan and California for the entire Rush Hour...and not ticket a single car for the Rush hour (7am-9am) or Bus Stop on the corner (at least 2 to 3 cars there every 10 minutes).
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That's because we don't ticket the customers of places that provide us with free coffee, idiot.
Loevy & Loevy and Flint Taylor of The Peoples Law Office seem to have the best results but I doubt they would take on a police officer as a client. Loevy wouldn't even give me an in-person interview when I wanted to sue the department. I didn't think they would but I wrote to them anyway, just for yucks.
7/11/2012 04:36:00 PM
So, just for laughs, you contacted this law firm? You don't have any friends on or off this Department, do you?
Listen there's a little order out there either a SO or GO that specifies how a supervisor is to treat a subordinate, it's very specific, and Lt. DH violates it every tour all tour long. YOU must document her rantings, obscenities, and violation of this order and DOCUMENT it along with witnesses. She could care less who is around when she belittles and degrades PO,s. Document it, have witnesses, and get a CR, and then notify the XO and DC and now they are ,made aware and can't say "I kow nothing""...............good luck guys..........I/F
Anonymous said...
I've been thinking about posting this for awhile, and now the time seems right. I recently changed assignments, and I went from a place where the sgts. pretty much treated me with derision, to a place where my sgt. actually apologizes when he has to give me a job, and thanks me for what I do.
I would go to the ends of the earth for this guy. And it's not bs. It's making the best of the situation we're all in. I was thinking that boosting morale would do so much for this dept. Just having a boss who is nice to you--my god, it's done so much to boost my mood. And no, I have not partaken of the Kool-aid. It is just that working conditions are so much better now.
7/11/2012 07:36:00 PM
so, when's the baby due?
7/12/2012 03:53:00 AM
Nice comment idiot. What I meant was that we have been abused and treated like shit for so long, that just having someone who acts like a human being to you, instead of acting like the devil's spawn, is nice. I'm not talking about favors or anything like that--I'm talking about a simple 'hello' and a smile. I feel sorry for the PO's that have to report to assholes every day.
So thanks for the sarcasm. You'll make a good asshole boss some day.
Anonymous said...
Trust me, i've been thru the process, city clearly violated the terms of the contract, i proved it to the FOP, and since they allowed the city to violate the contract. they denied my grievances... ur at their miserable mercy.
Then you file a grievance against the FOP at the State Labor Board.
7/12/2012 12:04:00 AM
Good luck with that since the Board is packed with Madigan and Cullerton drones.
Officer sue her personally in federal court
I watched Squads drive by the Starbucks at Logan and California for the entire Rush Hour...and not ticket a single car for the Rush hour (7am-9am) or Bus Stop on the corner (at least 2 to 3 cars there every 10 minutes).
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That's because we don't ticket the customers of places that provide us with free coffee, idiot.
7/12/2012 09:43:00 AM
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Since no cop would have written that, thanks for the civilian 'humor'.
To the mo-ron who posted: Amen Brother! The current regime needs to be voted out! Don-a-HO needs to be shit canned and sent on his merry way!
Are you so far out of the loop that you don' even know Donahue is no longer the president? Get a fucken life!
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