No Bail for Bangers
Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy has found a new way to keep gang members off their street corners.
Keep them locked up until they pay up.
On July 17, the department stopped releasing gang members from police stations on no-cash bonds for misdemeanor arrests. And if they can’t make their often-low bond amount, they have to wait to go to court.
That means sitting behind bars — sometimes at the Cook County Jail — for up to 48 hours at times.
We aren't sure how prevalent I-bonds are in other jurisdictions, but the complaint is a valid one that misdemeanor and MCC arrests often beat the officers out of the station once their prints clear. We can recall a few instances in our careers where we actually arrested some asshole twice in one night, usually after they returned to the scene of the original arrest to pick up where they left off.
Maybe we could do our Doctoral Thesis on the Impact of Economic Disincentives Upon Criminal Behavior.
Labels: crime, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
70 Comments:
If this is true it is a good thing. It might turn people's life around. Let them experience their freedom taken away for 48 hours and maybe make them think.
Best thing ever happened!
That is a great idea for a thesis.
You know that Moprah, JJ, Al, and the rest of the storefront rev's will cry as to how this is racially biased.
Back when I was a young P.O. filled with piss and vinegar, after locking some jagoff up on the 1st watch, I'd have to go to Branch court first thing in the morning. The Court Sergeant Would peruse everything and try to find something to fuck you over with.
But you'd sit in the front row, wait till they called your jagoff and they would hold him at the door to the courtroom from the bull pen. the Corp. counsel would cry out "Motion city non-suit" and it was over. You submitted your slip for 3 hours Comp Time and you left.
There was no I-bond. If your guy's prints cleared and he didn't put up the cash bond, he went to court in the morning.
And if you, the arresting officer, didn't appear, you got deviated. Ha!
After check off, you went across the street to the gin mil, had your thirst quenched and strolled back over to court. I forgot to mention, court was on the 2nd floor of the district station.
I Bonds appeared around the time they had to start paying you for court.
Hmmm tough choice taxpayers.
Do we pay $150/day per person to keep someone locked up on a misdemeanor or do we use that money to hire more cops??
Meanwhile there's no end, not even a mention of the crime culture via illegal immigration that will replace the ones you lock up by several multiples.
We call it using the crisis. Lock up ten, wave 100 more across the border.
Wouldn't this appear as "profiling" on the departments side? I mean if Joe Shmoe can get an I-Bond, then why can't Pooky, Dooky and Mooky? This sounds to me like we would be showing one group certain treatment due to being affiliated with a gang. and being in a gang is not illegal
Just another thought. If they come up with the cash they don't qualify for a P.D. They either have to use the Bar or hire their own attorney.
No room in the county jail for them. They will get an I-bond on the spot.
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SCC- Just want to thank the eight or so 18th District Officers for quick response early this morning when crazed man beat on windows of cab w. young female neighbor in it who he didn't know, assaulted second female neighbor for calling 911, came after me for reporting his assault on her. 18th handling of it impressive. To female arresting Officer- nice job subduing the creep. :) God bless the CPD. Please stay safe Officers.
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O.T. New Time Due Restriction Policy
Well the city will continue to fuck with us again and again. Why? Well most of us still behave like sheep. For example: A p.o. in my district was denied time off to spend with his family. On top of that he planned a camping trip with his kids and took 4 days off. At the last minute he was denied those four days off. The boss joked you can take time off in the middle of January. It's "just too crazy on the streets right now".
Despite all of that, every single day he comes in with at least one CB#, 5 parkers, 5 to 8 movers, 5 contact cards, 5 blue cards and 1 to 3 curfews. While most guys go to the hole after three hours, he will work his butt off for the entire tour.
Ladies and gentleman in our district and in our watch we have people like the above p.o. I described. As long as we do so much for so little (or nothing) in return the city will continue to diminish our benefits. Benefits that we rightfully earn by the way. Not given.
In the end honestly we can blame the city as much as we want. But in the end, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
8/11/2012 01:32:00 PM
Very well said. We must continue to work hard my fellow officers. Work hard so the city can screw you further.
Wow Mcvurp is really desperate now!
Dats racissss!!
Interesting idea, but wasn't the impetus behind the marijuana ANOV to keep us from storing people in the Cook County Jail?
Perhaps this was the compromise that will keep targets off of the street corners?
I don't think that's fair. I tried the best I can.
how about automatic impoundment of vehicles w/ suspended or no driver's license and no insurance. That will get more than half the gang-bangers and illegals off the streets. Make them pay to get their wheels back. You will see a dramatic increase of the decrease of those late-night drive-by porch shootings.
We already lost this in federal court, this will end soon.
will it be a Constitutional issue to discriminate against gang members?
I dont think the Dept can set one bond for one person and a differentbond for another who are charged with the same offense
What do i know?
an interesting approach, but probably illegal or unconstitutional...
This may be a measure by McNobond to counteract the arrival of the new cannabis ticketing fiasco. As much as we make fun of and criticize the officers who are making those "one bag" arrests, those who are arrested with those one bags are generally complete pieces of shit. By making those arrests the officers took 'Joe Shithead' out of the game for at least a few hours. Whereas now as long as you ain't carrying 3 nickels or 6 pennies worth of weight you are free to terrorize the community, (until the name check comes back saying you can no longer ANOV him) and at the very least be able to occupy more space on the corners where an errant round might strike you driving up the already infamous murder rate.
Two thirds or at least half are juvy. Its called VOBB. These should be computerized. Cash only 500 then 1000 then 5000 not weed tickets cash to get out and end your case why should the lawyers be profiting. Plead guilty in the station pay the fine otherwise locked the fk up. Or caining im good with both
When you pay for your crimes in Chicago we take cash, charge, no checks.
The problem will be from people who claim to have 'nufin to do wif no gangs.
Back when Cook County Jail population was right around 5,000 (1976-68) there were people in there for lack of $25 for bond for traffic offenses. Now the CCJ population is double, 300,000 or more fewer residents of the city, no traffic offenses except felony's and I-Bonds are rampant.
Deny I-Bonds to everyone except solid citizens. Don't try to identify gang bangers, identify solid citizens instead. Arrest record? Fuck you, you sit.
Holy shit this might be the first good idea this prick had come up with.
In a Perfect non-Political world this would be a great idea. However and unfortunately, in Shitcago, Crook County everything is based on Race and Politics. So, at some point the President of the Cook County Government, a police hating racist will complain that this policy impacts unfairly upon minorities who are poor and unable to post bonds. Then, she will order them released upon arrival, and probably give them CTA fare to get home. At which time on their way home they will mug, beat or rape some innocent CTA passenger. Sorry to seem cynical, but I have been on the job long enough to see these possibilities.
Bring back the Chain Gangs. A touch of the Old South would do wonders up here.
I'm told that in Broward County Florida, you sit for a minimum of three days.
how about automatic impoundment of vehicles w/ suspended or no driver's license and no insurance. That will get more than half the gang-bangers and illegals off the streets. Make them pay to get their wheels back. You will see a dramatic increase of the decrease of those late-night drive-by porch shootings.
You must not be a PO. This is already a automatic tow and arrest. It hasn't done much good. Also ever see most of the vehicles? They aint worth a Dam.
"No room in the county jail for them. They will get an I-bond on the spot
...or more likely the ASA will get rid of the case at that initial court appearance...
Like they do with repeat offenders (aggressive homeless types with hundreds of arrests---they have multiple open cases and ASA shitcans them all at first date -or once pinched on warrant after missing first date---)
I have always wondered that if a hooker picks up enough misdemeanor prostitution arrests she can be charged with a felony and given a year in prison. Why doesn't this apply to other misdemeanors ?
Totally agree with post of stopping and impounding vehicles. This should be a regular program around the city where you are stopped and checked at moving check points. Hundreds of unlicensed , uninsured drivers and vehicles would be taken off the street and who knows how many guns and drugs would be taken off the street. I have been the victim of 7 hit and run accidents while my vehicle has been parked over the last 10 years . All too common to see people looking at their wrecked parked car Sat and Sun mornings around the city,
Any way they can be taken out back and put down?
one thing is assured:
there shall be many warrant hits after prints clear rather than the usual letting them out before the true identies are known.
Get the jails ready!
this is common knowledge... the next thing that shall happen is dropping this "new" policy because it's too expensive to keep them in jail.
it's always been a vicious cycle, what's new is always nothing more than a return to old methods.
smoke and mirrors / dog and pony shows
change the name / count the beans
011 has been been cash bonds for nearly a year. And we see how well that's working out....
Getting desperate I see huh McWhiskeybreath?
You are not guaranteed the ability to take time off whenever you want. You did agree to do this job to the best of your ability when you took it. This is the best job going right now. if you think you should stop doing your job because you can't take time to go camping, then please, go get a job at mcdonalds and let my seniority go up.
To 8:31,seems to me you're talkin about the ole 18 dist,how true though.You'd be sitting in the Stop and Drink and the baliff,I think his name was Dep.Washington,would yell out the side window from the second floor to us and say whos up next,AHHH,great memories there.
We will see how long the ACLU takes to get this idea thrown out!
I bonds and paying people for court do not have a connection. The federal courts and law suits for holding people who are not a flight risk pushed the city to give just about everyone I bonds. I say bring back the bonds men and bonding companies, something that was around when I came on the job in 68. At least you will have someone looking for bond jumpers. There was and I am sure now, way too many people who give phony addresses and phony names. They do not appear in court and there is no way to find them and no one looking for them.McCarthy is doig the right thing.
I think it's a great idea. Any extra imposition we can put on these bottom feeding scumbags is good with me.
Wonder how long before the courts start complaining of the increase in workload though.
Unconstitutional. Differential treatment for being in a gang? Being a gang member isn't illegal.
And whose job is it to actually determine arrestee gang affiliation? Arresting officer? Desk personnel? WC before approving arrest?
This is gonna cost more in the long run and get the arresting coppers jammed up. Same goes for whoevers name is on the court transmittals sending the goofs to court. Same goes for the lockup people who processed dude. Same goes for the WC who did the final approval, but I don't give a shit about them.
The bonestrokes at Loevy and Loevy are drooling right about now. All I know is that if I was denied bond or made to pay to get out when the dude next to me got out on I-Bond for the exact same misdemeanor I would be contacting an attorney and filing suit. If you have no reason to hold me to see a judge for bond and EVERYONE else in the cell isn't being processed the same way, I will do everything in my power to put a hefty financial hurting on you. Now go ahead and add WC comments to try to articulate why I needed to be held past court call to keep me there longer and you'll wish you never met me.
Tread lightly, folks. You've seen the atmosphere as of late with dinging police for punitive damages. Until laws are actually changed regarding who needs to see a judge for bond, McNoIBondForYou! is leading you to financial slaughter with this latest brainfart. This batch of Kooladie will prove to be a costly one.
Fuck all of that! Hire more officers! Take the money from where it is not needed, Rahm's pockets aldercreatures, etc. Hire more police officers now.
Doesn't matter the dumb ass county president will release them. She doesn't want those arrested for felonies housed she will certainly not keep anyone on a misdemeanor. She would be jailing all her voters!
I don't know if it's still the law but it used to be that only a judge could grant additional I-Bonds if you were currently on an I-Bond. A lot of suburban depts enforced that rule all the time to pookie's surprise but Chicago gave them away like balloons at Bud Billiken. Fuck them! Let pookie put up the cash or sit in jail!
Deduct from the momma's Link Card ...that should give momma an incentive to start payong attention what the honor student is up to and who they hang
G with in da hood.
Money talks../
Start taking away $ from the eternal handouts
Anonymous said...
O.T. New Time Due Restriction Policy
Well the city will continue to fuck with us again and again. Why? Well most of us still behave like sheep. For example: A p.o. in my district was denied time off to spend with his family. On top of that he planned a camping trip with his kids and took 4 days off. At the last minute he was denied those four days off. The boss joked you can take time off in the middle of January. It's "just too crazy on the streets right now".
Despite all of that, every single day he comes in with at least one CB#, 5 parkers, 5 to 8 movers, 5 contact cards, 5 blue cards and 1 to 3 curfews. While most guys go to the hole after three hours, he will work his butt off for the entire tour.
Ladies and gentleman in our district and in our watch we have people like the above p.o. I described. As long as we do so much for so little (or nothing) in return the city will continue to diminish our benefits. Benefits that we rightfully earn by the way. Not given.
In the end honestly we can blame the city as much as we want. But in the end, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
8/11/2012 01:32:00 PM
Are you fucking serious? camping trip with his 4 kids, who cares you do that on your furlough you all don't know how lucky you are to have this job, come to work do your job and your off after every 4 days, quit bitching or just quit, No other job would let you all take time off like this job, It's a joke, try working in the real world, boo hoo if you can't go away for days with your kiddies tell them daddy has a job. Grow up all of you, Please.
Maywood used to be a decent town.
Back in the '40s, when my mom and grandparents lived there.
the issue in Cook County is.....almost no one goes to jail for any length of time (convicted or not); and Gov. Milktoast wants to empty the state prisons, because there's no money to incarcerate the prisoners....so, who exactly is bullshitting who?
"If this is true it is a good thing. It might turn people's life around. Let them experience their freedom taken away for 48 hours and maybe make them think."
--8/12/2012 12:13:00 AM
People without brains don't think.
The conditions in Cook County Jail do not differ materially from daily life outside the jail for many people.
There is a TV blaring constantly, and lots of people. Some eating, some fighting, some playing cards, and all yelling constantly. Hair care a constant, ceaseless group picking, braiding, unbraiding.
You can't punish someone who doesn't notice much difference in the first place.
This is very hard for most normals to grasp but it's true.
"Maybe we could do our Doctoral Thesis on the Impact of Economic Disincentives Upon Criminal Behavior."
You could try, but there are thousands of Masters Degree/"Administration" "clinical social workers" ahead of you. Whole forests of trees sacrificed to fill library shelves with millions of pages of the veriest gibberish, incomprehensible "studies" and so forth.
Ever hear the "research subjects" when they get back to the cellhouse?
"What that white b__h want?"
"I dunno. Woo woo woo, she talkin' some s__t."
"I like to f__k her a__."
"Naw. She ugly."
"They give you yo' lunch?"
"Yeah."
End quote.
"Impact Of An Unbreakable Plastic Baton Upside The Head On Criminal Behavior." Now, that might get you somewhere.
Seriously, people crying about time due. My wife cant ge one fucking day off a year aside from her regular days. On top of that she only gets 2 weeks vacation while i get 42 with a split furlough!
Anonymous said...
O.T. New Time Due Restriction Policy
Well the city will continue to fuck with us again and again. Why? Well most of us still behave like sheep. For example: A p.o. in my district was denied time off to spend with his family. On top of that he planned a camping trip with his kids and took 4 days off. At the last minute he was denied those four days off. The boss joked you can take time off in the middle of January. It's "just too crazy on the streets right now".
Despite all of that, every single day he comes in with at least one CB#, 5 parkers, 5 to 8 movers, 5 contact cards, 5 blue cards and 1 to 3 curfews. While most guys go to the hole after three hours, he will work his butt off for the entire tour.
Ladies and gentleman in our district and in our watch we have people like the above p.o. I described. As long as we do so much for so little (or nothing) in return the city will continue to diminish our benefits. Benefits that we rightfully earn by the way. Not given.
In the end honestly we can blame the city as much as we want. But in the end, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
8/11/2012 01:32:00 PM
Are you fucking serious? camping trip with his 4 kids, who cares you do that on your furlough you all don't know how lucky you are to have this job, come to work do your job and your off after every 4 days, quit bitching or just quit, No other job would let you all take time off like this job, It's a joke, try working in the real world, boo hoo if you can't go away for days with your kiddies tell them daddy has a job. Grow up all of you, Please.
8/12/2012 01:51:00 PM
YOU tell that to YOUR kids, if and when you ever have any - although I sincerely hope you're incapable of reproduction based on your ignorance.
In the event you're not aware what the lack of parental involvement is capable of producing, look no further than any ghetto.
Have fun reigning in your son or daughter when they're smoking weed and drinking regularly at 10 years old because you weren't around enough.
Revel in the joy of getting the call from coworkers that have your kid in custody for something they just couldn't take care of by bringing Junior home for an ass-whooping.
Enjoy raising your daughter's child so she can finish high school to maybe get a job flipping burgers. Enjoy working special and side gigs til you're old and gray to constantly keep up with raising your grand child(ren) in addition to your own kids, who are now in their 20s and still living at home.
You see where I'm going with this, champ? Those commercials of yesteryear where the jailer (I believe it was) says something along the lines of "spend more time with your kids now so I won't have to later" make a lot of sense.
Here's two words you need permanently etched in your little pea brain: FAMILY FIRST. You should probably go apply another liberal coat of hair gel and chase it with some Koolaide while you try to figure out the importance of the message here, son. And get back to us all when you (think) you've got it figured out.
O.T. New Time Due Restriction Policy
Well the city will continue to fuck with us again and again. Why? Well most of us still behave like sheep. For example: A p.o. in my district was denied time off to spend with his family. On top of that he planned a camping trip with his kids and took 4 days off. At the last minute he was denied those four days off. The boss joked you can take time off in the middle of January. It's "just too crazy on the streets right now".
Despite all of that, every single day he comes in with at least one CB#, 5 parkers, 5 to 8 movers, 5 contact cards, 5 blue cards and 1 to 3 curfews. While most guys go to the hole after three hours, he will work his butt off for the entire tour.
Ladies and gentleman in our district and in our watch we have people like the above p.o. I described. As long as we do so much for so little (or nothing) in return the city will continue to diminish our benefits. Benefits that we rightfully earn by the way. Not given.
In the end honestly we can blame the city as much as we want. But in the end, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
8/11/2012 01:32:00 PM
If he comes in with the same activity, he's softer than puppy shit. Once they fuck with you as a worker, you turn that work off. No fucking questions. If they fuck you when it comes to your family, you make them fucking pay.
Maybe it will help the propert tax bombshell in 2014
Ommmaa II will have all of Us Paying more for the poor and unfortunates If You have over 20 yrs on this job and have any investments your the New Rich. look for at least 3 K in Fed Tax and State will step up too.The new Rahmboooo School year will require more sacrifice as well.
So what if shitheads are made to pay. They will sit and not pay. Until released aft what. 6 hours max
Jesey will stop how many shootings tonight?
Anonymous said...
Seriously, people crying about time due. My wife cant ge one fucking day off a year aside from her regular days. On top of that she only gets 2 weeks vacation while i get 42 with a split furlough!
8/12/2012 05:18:00 PM
Are you fucking serious? camping trip with his 4 kids, who cares you do that on your furlough you all don't know how lucky you are to have this job, come to work do your job and your off after every 4 days, quit bitching or just quit, No other job would let you all take time off like this job, It's a joke, try working in the real world, boo hoo if you can't go away for days with your kiddies tell them daddy has a job. Grow up all of you, Please.
Well in the fucking real world you work 9-5. You don't go sleep deprived to court at 9 am after working your shift. Because you have Saturday and Sunday off and major holidays off in the real fuckin world. In the real fuckin world you dial 911 so that I can go investigate the loud thump in the dark for you so you can feel safe behind that keyboard. So now suck it
I don't know if it's still the law but it used to be that only a judge could grant additional I-Bonds if you were currently on an I-Bond. A lot of suburban depts enforced that rule all the time to pookie's surprise but Chicago gave them away like balloons at Bud Billiken. Fuck them! Let pookie put up the cash or sit in jail!
8/12/2012 01:07:00 PM
Yup - read the fine print on an I-bond sometime. Can't get another one until the last one you got was disposed of in court. Our desk writes VOBB's all the time - send em to court.
However, the denying of an I bond and sending to court while a gang banger is another problem. I believe there is a IL supreme court rule that kind of says you have to give someone an I bond if they can't pay. Maybe a counselor can chime in.
Seriously, people crying about time due. My wife cant ge one fucking day off a year aside from her regular days. On top of that she only gets 2 weeks vacation while i get 42 with a split furlough!
I'm sure you took the job knowing you could get 42 days off and are liking it. If your wife doesn't like 2 weeks a year, maybe she needs a different job. Don't forget its time DUE, it's not the cities time!
Here's two words you need permanently etched in your little pea brain: FAMILY FIRST. You should probably go apply another liberal coat of hair gel and chase it with some Koolaide while you try to figure out the importance of the message here, son. And get back to us all when you (think) you've got it figured out.
8/12/2012 05:57:00 PM
I dont agree with alot of youre posts becuz youre to sarcastic and hard to read but bravo on this one. I take back all the bad s!#t Ive written about you; and give us hairgels a break once in a while, K??? we arent all dummies!!
"Are you fucking serious? camping trip with his 4 kids, who cares you do that on your furlough you all don't know how lucky you are to have this job, come to work do your job and your off after every 4 days, quit bitching or just quit, No other job would let you all take time off like this job, It's a joke, try working in the real world, boo hoo if you can't go away for days with your kiddies tell them daddy has a job. Grow up all of you, Please."
Oh crawl back under Gerrys' Desk Whiteshirt Gump, it's been a long weekend he needs some relief
"Despite all of that, every single day he comes in with at least one CB#, 5 parkers, 5 to 8 movers, 5 contact cards, 5 blue cards and 1 to 3 curfews. While most guys go to the hole after three hours, he'll work his butt off for the entire tour."
That's his reward time DENIED. Sad part of the story he'll keep bringing in activity while he continues to get shit on. Who's the dummy?
"You are not guaranteed the ability to take time off whenever you want. You did agree to do this job to the best of your ability when you took it. This is the best job going right now. if you think you should stop doing your job because you can't take time to go camping, then please, go get a job at mcdonalds and let my seniority go up."
Nope staying put until I'm 63, enjoy 1st watch & your 1A 2B Furlo,
Seriously, people crying about time due. My wife cant ge one fucking day off a year aside from her regular days. On top of that she only gets 2 weeks vacation while i get 42 with a split furlough!
8/12/2012 05:18:00 PM
Boo hoo cheesedick. You must be too fucking dense to grasp what the term "time due" means. Here is a clue: nobody gives a fuck about your wife, her job, or how many days off she gets a year. It is not germane at all to the time due issue. The world doesn't revolve around you and wife.
Anonymous said...
You are not guaranteed the ability to take time off whenever you want. You did agree to do this job to the best of your ability when you took it. This is the best job going right now. if you think you should stop doing your job because you can't take time to go camping, then please, go get a job at mcdonalds and let my seniority go up.
8/12/2012 09:45:00 AM
Fucking clown, family first. Your the enemy cop who makes going to work hell. Get on the same page with the rest of the department.
Anonymous said...
You are not guaranteed the ability to take time off whenever you want. You did agree to do this job to the best of your ability when you took it. This is the best job going right now. if you think you should stop doing your job because you can't take time to go camping, then please, go get a job at mcdonalds and let my seniority go up.
8/12/2012 09:45:00 AM
You are not guaranteed the ability to take time off whenever you want
--it's called time due, dip shit.
You did agree to do this job to the best of your ability when you took it.
--if the job was the same as when I did take it, I would do it to the best of my abilities. job changed, so did I, suckhole.
This is the best job going right now
--really? does your mom know how stupid you are? i guess you work inside, pussy.
if you think you should stop doing your job because you can't take time to go camping, then please, go get a job at mcdonalds and let my seniority go up
--nope, i won't change. doing nothing sounds good. someday you'll make days but not now.
moral of the story:
we are better off without a pussy, suckhole, dipshit, inside empty holster, who lives with his mommy, on this dept.
I just noticed on the lock-up door in 019 that you can pay your bond via credit cards. Is this something new?
"Bring back the Chain Gangs. A touch of the Old South would do wonders up here.
8/12/2012 06:53:00 AM"
HAHAHAHA ... you don't know how right you are. Wrassling gators (and nowadays Burmese pythons) to clear out a ditch will give you a whole new perspective on life!
However, all things considered, I'd rather have a 40, a blunt, and money from the gumbmint, so I be voting "D" ... go Rahm!
SCC: to be labelled under "sarcasm": it's Master's Thesis, Doctoral Dissertation. And there's more than a dissertation in the economics of criminality. A nice retirement project, or doesn't the force pay tuition if you maintain a B average? Go for it. Though that would mean hanging out on a college campus with us libtard professor types.
I use my I-Pass or my link to bail out.
Thank you guvment
I just noticed on the lock-up door in 019 that you can pay your bond via credit cards. Is this something new?
8/13/2012 06:17:00 AM
Yes, Rip van Winkle -- about 2 years old (I mean new)
I think this is a good idea. We give too many I bonds in turn these bangers laugh cause they know they will get I bonds. Hurt them in the wallet.. Pay up or go to County.
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