Thanks Quinn!
- Illinois fell to the bottom of all 50 states in the rankings of a major credit ratings agency Friday following the failure of Gov. Pat Quinn and lawmakers to fix the state’s hemorrhaging pension system during this month’s lame-duck session.
Standard and Poor’s Ratings Service downgraded Illinois in what is the latest fallout over the $96.8 billion debt to five state pension systems. The New York rating firm’s ranking signaled taxpayers may pay tens of millions of dollars more in interest when the state borrows money for roads and other projects.
“It’s absolutely bad news for taxpayers,” said Dan Rutherford, the Republican state treasurer. Illinois received its bottom-of-the-pack ranking when it fell from an “A” rating to “A-minus.”
That’s the same rating as California, but California has a positive outlook. Illinois’ fragile overall financial status netted it a negative outlook, putting it behind California overall. The ratings came out now because Illinois plans to issue $500 million in bonds within days.
"Death Spiral" is an apt term.
Labels: state politics
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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Impeach the bastard and the rest of them belong w/blago.Why do we put up w/these morons in IL. politics?People of IL.should watch "preppers" on TV and take it very seriously.
Illinois is thisclose to getting an abysmal credit rating of BBB. No other state has ever had that disgraceful distinction.
What the hell does it take to get a Z rating?
"...Standard and Poor’s Ratings Service downgraded Illinois in what is the latest fallout over the $96.8 billion debt to five state pension systems. The New York rating firm’s ranking signaled taxpayers may pay tens of millions of dollars more in interest when the state borrows money for roads and other projects.
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Now who do you think will pay the extra millions in interest, US. "US" as in the productive taxpaying citizens of Illinois.
Who do you think will GET these extra millions in interest that WE will pay? The friends of Quinn, Blaggo, Madigan, Daley and Rahm, etc.
Question: If Quinn, Blaggo and so forth had to pay the pension debt with interest, more than the interest they would pay the bonding companies don't you think they would have solved this mess long ago?
it's ok--- if every citizen of the state of illinois wrote a check to the governor for 40,000 dollars we would be back in black ink....
No more freebies for illegals!! No more coddling rif raf and paying for 8 kids. No more rewarding irresponsible behavior.
Fix the financial bleeding of the state with common sense. Illinois has resources and wealth but too many moochers. Cut them off!!
Yes we may be in a death spiral but If I bring in 20 contact cards for the period I will be the real police. If I write a ton of anovs I can arrest those people later. In the eyes of JA that is an A plus p plus rating.
Just the facts please, just the facts.
Don't forget Cullerton.
surprised at you sccc, this was not Quinns fault but Madigan.
Look for another big push by the politicians, through the media, to put this on the backs of workers collecting meager pensions. They'll be screaming loudly again for pension reform and basically blaming this whole hot gooey mess on us workers who've done nothing wrong... unlike the thieving politicians!
Don't forget 70,000 foreclosures in Cook County alone.......anyone going to jail? Unbelieveable.
Yeah S&P can blame the pension mess that the state created, but the reality is the reckless spending and waste is the main cause. If the democratic politicians that control the state would not spend so much the pension would be in better shape. By the way. I thought Quinn's state income tax increase would make things better? Oh, did they just spend more instead?
anyone who votes for the Democrat Party is an irresponsible goof
you are a poor citizen, an ignorant voter and a bad parent
They've stolen the pension money and it's everyone else's fault but the politicians.
The pension money went to their clouted friends via no-bid contracts and now the taxpayers are suppose to accept higher taxes and the city workers are to accept cuts so that they can do it all over again.
No accountability!
We are going to see headlines soon how the political apparatus is here to "save you" OH, oh-oh here they come to "save the pensions"!
How they gonna "save the pensions"?
BY CUTTING EVERYONE'S BENEFITS IN A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT PROPOSAL.
In the end they will boldly stand in front of the press and tell us all how proud they are to do this for the city and how it's a good day for all involved.
The clouted ones have our pension money and they are already coming for more. Hello Maggie Daley park and six figure bike paths and 100 year parking meter contracts.
The lawyers to fight the parking meter contracts and the next rounds of second amendment challenges will go to the city law firms as pension payments are skipped once again.
No one held accountable as the crimes go unpunished.
"Death Spiral" is an apt term.
death by a thousand cuts, courtesy of our ex mayor's oriental comrades.
Are we surprised?
it's not only the pension deal.
as stated before, when more people are collecting benefits, "entitlements" and such than the people that are paying in to support such things it is known as a "Death Spiral" and thanks to Gov. PotatoHead
and his buddies il is now gone from a dive to a "graveyard spin"
How many double dippers are working for the city right now? Remember Tom Thumb being put in charge of Streets & San? How many others are there? Hello media????? I'm sure, based on his extensive knowledge of all things Streets & San, he was the best person for the job.
Thanks Obama the price of tomatoes are going to double.
3 dead overnight. What does that bring Chicago's homicide total to for 2013?
Was watching the news last night. Now, they want to print the government's pension liabilities on property tax bills. This is an obvious effort to convince the public that action must be taken on the pension problem. It is a problem created by the politicians, but they want to shift the blame on the workers. Why don't they cite statistics like monies spent for education which continues to produce the worst scores in the nation. How about monies spent for all the social programs which have no effect on Chicago's homicide rates?
Quinn - A complete fucking douchebag!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-quinn-to-sign-illegal-immigrant-drivers-licenses-bill-sunday-20130125,0,2017399.story
Why is it that the citizens of Chicago & Illinois, continually elect these fucking morons who are more concerned with stuffing their pockets, than they are with seeing the city and state prosper? These politicians are like bad drugs that the citizens (aka- junkies) just can't enough of...!
I've come to the conclusion that the plan is to let Illinois slowly slip into bankrupsy and therby break all pension responsibility.
Sic Semper Tyrannis
In fainess, Quinn has been working hard on this, he is the only Illinois governor out of the past three, to actually increase funding for the pension obligations. Quinn has in all actuality, poured billions into the pension funds.
So the thing is not why the bond/credit rating has been downgraded but rather if Quinn had done nothing the downgrade to this level would have happened already. Quinn's moves have managed to make the downgrades further apart.
Still, the alarm is sounding and we cannot wait for Madigan and Daley to fight over who gets to carve up the state, more action is needed now.
I am definitely not a huge Quinn fan but he has been working hard and has been paying as much as he can into those funds. It is such a huge problem it just feels like little or nothing has been done. Not altogether true.
I hate being fair to a politician but when the alternatives are named Madigan and Daley I make an exception.
If Bill Daley gets in there I am afraid to think what he might do to pay bills. What can he and Richy sell or lease off to get some walking around cash? The Mississippi River? Entire State Tollways? State Parks? Entire Counties that he can sell of lease to other states or private developers? Coal mines and deposits to China? Miles miles of corn growing regions to Russia? With a Daley involved, anything is possible. I wouldn't be surprised for another attempt at a Daley grab for control of pension funds to prop up the Daley Family ATM network of friends and family slush funds.
Remember the old parable about the devil you know vs. the other devils.
Next election the Lemmings will just keep voting democrat because thats what all the other lemmings do. No individual thinkers!
Great Why don't we just elect more Socialist Democrats and retarded Irish eunuchs. Maybe their children would be interested in the jobs and then in ten or twenty years, their children could get the political jobs. If there is anything left to steal or mismanage.
SCC Whats the numbers on how many individuals (or family) move out of Illinois every month ?
Start to prepare, guys dont think that a pension check will be there in 10 or 15 years. Save your money, invest well, because we will get nothing, It does'nt matter who's fault it is,once there's no money left, it's gone!
Anonymous said...
Illinois is thisclose to getting an abysmal credit rating of BBB. No other state has ever had that disgraceful distinction.
1/26/2013 12:27:00 AM
It is hard to turn the Titanic.
Anonymous said...
anyone who votes for the Democrat Party is an irresponsible goof
you are a poor citizen, an ignorant voter and a bad parent
1/26/2013 03:47:00 AM
AMEN!!!!
Don't forget 70,000 foreclosures in Cook County alone.......anyone going to jail? Unbelieveable.
1/26/2013 03:04:00 AM
So 70,000 people were allowed to buy more house than they could afford. As a shareholder of the bank, I'd want the people that gave out those loans replaced.
Where does jail fit in? I never really got that.
Their going to let the states pension funds go under funded and broke. no new casinos until 2014 when Madigans princess daughter Lisa will be the great savior she will win the Govenors election and wave her magical wand and make those nasty employee pensions disappear. Than take the casino money and have one big party!
Have you ever seen the idiots who the ghettoes elect and put into office to make these decisions for us? We may as well be living in a banana republic.
Then the slick thieves like Daley, Madigan and Rahm come in for the kill knowing that those idiots won't know what's going on and can be paid off if they suspect.
Where did the money from the state income tax increase go?
WE will Pay and Pay and Pay. We will pay for the pension money that they didn't pay, the Link card that people use and abuse, the medical that they scam. But don,t touch any of them, they all vote DEMOCratic. WE are doomed.
Why is our union not standing in the media giving the real story behind the pension mess. Why is our union not out speaking up for us and letting the folks know where the blame falls. This is our entitlement. We put plenty away to cover all the retirements. We wouldn't be underfunded if the politicians didn't use our pension account as their person savings withdrawl account. Some needs to speak up and be front and center for our sake. Much sooner than later
Old Retired Guy Here,Again..........
You know I would "almost" be willing to give up my pension,if all those "SOB's" would be held criminally accountable for their crimes. All those years of taxes, derailed to their own interests. Let them lose their pensions, and mega benefits.
Oh Well, just thought I would rant a little. Truth is "With All Our Rage, We Are Still, Just Rats In A Cage"
lets not forget that rhams spending money like a drunken sailor too,
lets spend another 55 million on parks
What is Attorney General Lisa Madigan doing to investigate the incompetence and possible mismanagement of state assets? Nothing. And she is ginned up by the media as a potential gubernatorial candidate. Send in the Clown.
is this the same scale they use in cps ? because that would explain all of the honor roll students we hear about on the news.
Off Topic: The Illinois Supreme Court has rulled that Security Officers n private property are allowed to stop vehicles and ticket them. Even thou they may not be armded, State Certified, or even know where to go for a court date. Gotta love Illinois.
Coyotes break window in attack on dogs
We need a state wide gun ban, STAT!
Don't forget 70,000 foreclosures in Cook County alone.......anyone going to jail? Unbelieveable.
1/26/2013 03:04:00 AM
The properties are now Bank Owned. Wanna bet those banks don't have to pay the county property taxes?
A great example of what happens when you constantly allow uneducated, un-motivated people to vote. The country is not far behind.
Anonymous said...
anyone who votes for the Democrat Party is an irresponsible goof
you are a poor citizen, an ignorant voter and a bad parent
1/26/2013 03:47:00 AM
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AND your dog has bad breath
Just raise taxes some more.
Signed ; A life long Democrat (sarc)
if your illegal you can get a drivers license
stop the welfare , schools , health , housing for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS , and for baby mama's with more than 1 kid and no baby daddy paying the bills .
pensions are in trouble,look for 401k for those with less then 10 years, it blows these politicians are scumbags!
Quinn is a puppet at best. Madigan had been running this state into the ground for 30 years and now he wants to stick us with his daughter for another 20 as Gov. The same daughter as AG who hasnt found a SINGLE dirty pol in her tenure. BWHAAAHAAAHAAA! BWHAAAHAAAA! And the worst part is, an entire segment of the voters cant wait to get to the polls to do just that...
Maybe elected officials credit score should inlude the government rating. Im sure the states credit rating wont effect their ability to get some sweetheart loan
The Emergency rooms at Hospitals are packed with Illegals that will never pay into OBAMA CARE, Illinois is the Link Card Public Aid State.
how does it get to 96 billion and not saved any of it?
Sadly our fop is not involved and has no idea what's going on with our pension. Mikey has to the call those with the sgt association to find out . Impeach our fop board do nothing's
Seems wrong-headed to focus your sarcasm on Quinn, the one who has done the most to try to make a pension fix a priority. Too much of the media act like Quinn isn't competent merely because he hasn't been as friendly to the patronage hacks that still have most of the power in Springfield. Posts like this just strengthen the hacks.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Thomas Jefferson
I am blessed as a retiree to live in IL and CA the two most fucked up liberal states in our once great country. I am also a Republican gun loving man. Time to begin the process of getting the hell out of one of these two BS states. Maybe move to Texas. IL is an absolute corrupt lost state.
No hope as the citizens in Cook Cty are too dumb to make the changes necessary to save the state.
MS
All my neighbors had Madigan lawn signs around Election Day. Go figure?
The state is in a much worse position than the city. City pension plans are not well funded but the city has the means to fix that if they have the will do to so. I do not think city employees will suffer much from any pension changes. There may be some tweaks around the edges and some minor changes to new employees but on the whole it won't change much.
Existing state workers are in much the same position because the state constitution gives them strong protections and there is no indication that congress is going to allow states to declare bankruptcy as that would create all kinds of constitutional issues that would be in court forever. Existing pensioners are in an even stronger position than existing employees.
New state workers might have to accept some changes that would probably not amount to as much as you might think.
The real problem is that the state wasted hundreds of billions of dollars on other things over the last few decades and the pot of money they can borrow from to pay for that is about empty, so at some point they are going to have to make some serious cuts to social programs or go bust. I am not sure how a state can actually go bust though. At some point, state suppliers will just stop selling to the state or demand much higher prices for their goods and services to cover the long time before payment. At present the state is almost 6 months behind in paying its bills, and if the rush to spend does not change soon, that will get worse.
At some point something needs to be done about cutting social programs and state government employment. But, most of that is oriented around buying votes, so I don't see a whole lot of change of the good type coming. My guess is it gets worse before it gets any better if it ever gets better.
not a cop
If only we could compel Chicago or even CRook County to secede and become the 51st state.
S&P would give the remainder of Illinois AAA+.
And the CPD remains the only major police department in the entire nation which has mandatory residency.
It amazes me that these credit ratings are still as high as they are, especially California's since they're under titanic bond obligations and it gets worse every year. But then again these are the same folks telling us CDOs were da juggernaut right up until the collapse, too.
Another reason to try the gun toting felons (especially those with multiple convictions and parole violations) in federal court.........no cost to Cook County Courts or jail and no cost to IDOC!
Illinois is the perfect example of a place where the looters are in charge. Rahm, Madigan, Quinn and their cooperating Repuke lapdogs work together (the "combine") to loot the middle class on behalf of their dual constituency - the oligarch class (concentrated in Chicago, with lots of dual-citizens) and the welfare leeches. It's a de-facto one-party state, ruled much like Mugabe's Zimbabwe - with an election system to match.
It's unreformable. I'm outta here ASAP. The sooner the God-forsaken wasteland sinks into utter third-world chaos, the better. Any state that spawned the likes of Hussein Obama deserves it. Let Illinois serve its real purpose on earth.
Just so damn sad how the people in Illinois are so clueless. Don’t worry-if the State was really broke it would be worse news. They would be laying off employees and cutting things like benefits, freebies, etc.
Its just very mismanaged, lack of leadership,politics, power, control and all about the money!!!
And the easy blame is tell the media its the pensions system fault-. Yeah OK.
Next Press release to media-Soon the pension system will be 50 gazillion in the hole!
The ones in charge are clueless.
Yo, Garry!
While we're over 3 times larger than Chicago in population, we've had no murders for the last ten days. Only 18 so far in 2013.
How you doing in Chi-Town?
And while the state is burning these Fucking jagoffs are dicking around with GPS in guns, semi auto bans, etc.
"They've stolen the pension money and it's everyone else's fault but the politicians."
Absolutely right and that includes, Thompson, Edgar, "Pate" and the rest. They all took care of their pals and ignored the law.
I believe most of blame belongs squarely on the shoulders of Michael Fucking Madigan.
Most powerful politician in the state? Absolutely.
How long? Decades.
How long has this crisis been developing? Years and years.
This all developed on his watch, and there is no way he can deny responsibility for it.
Michael and his gun-hating daughter Lisa have got to go!
All for the vote. Hard working people are the sacrificial lambs for illegals that are draining the
resources in this country. Those on welfare, won't get off because the more kids they get the more money they get...another gift from the democrats. I am sad to say but this country will never be the same. Has anyone ever heard what Mexico does to the people of Guatamala that try to come into Mexico?
wait a minute, lets put the blame where it belongs now. It's not the police or other pension workers fault. We did our part, regiously on time every two weeks. It's the politicians fault. They always word it a way to blame us and not them. They thwart the truth and always use "the taxpayers are going to have to pay the price". Why dont we talk about the corruption in Illinois (Springfield, Chicago, Cook County). Lets talk about the hundreds of thousands of lazy system abusing ssi and link lifers living large on vacation?
The Welfare breeders and LINK Card users are still being funded!!!
Keep voting Democrat for more of this!!!!
Brothers and Sisters,
Vote with your feet and leave this
horrible state as soon as you are able to.
There will be no turning this around, TPTB will not cut freebies.
More 'programs' are being expanded in keeping with rising illegals in this city and state.
The Sanctuary city of Chicago philosophy has spread into
Cook County and throughout Illinois.
Make plans. There is life outside this department, and outside this state.
You know what Detroit looks like, that is Chicago and Illinois' future. No joke.
You owe it to your kids.
G-d bless and be safe.
That's right cut the pensions so mama with 6 kids and a third generation welfare recipient can live like the Queen of Englewood.
Lets see what they all have in common? Madigan- Quinn- Daley- Cullerton
Democrats owe this one. Ok, blame the prior democrats.
Stop calling it pension reform call it what it is PENSION CUTS.
overheard:...
Quinn: Hey, don't blame me, I'm trying to fix the pension system, but they won't let me..
Madigan: who is this guy kidding? he doesn't know I run the state?
Ms. Madigan: hold on everyone! I'm going to be the next governor, then it will be me and Dad, Dad and me...the four of us.......what's the big deal, Quinn?.....we'll get you some cush job somewhere, doing nothing, just like when you were lieutenant governor......
Quinn: but I really tried to be fair....
Madigan (with the Democratic/liberal/Obama chorus): are you kidding? giveaways, link cards, free cell phones, section 8/live on the government, free breakfast and lunch at school, monthly subsidies to grandma to care for the kids her daughter can't care for ($1,000/month, per kid, maybe?).....these payments do at least two things:
a) they ensure that they vote Democratic (hey, why work if the Dems give you things?)
b) the payoffs ensure that some folks won't riot, or cause "civil unrest", if they don't get what they're used to getting......hello, Amerika
How about food vouchers? No more LINK. You go to a pantry and you get rice, beans, ground beef, milk, etc. No more freebies at school. You pack your kids lunch. If your kid doesn't bring a lunch, then you get your food for that individual knocked off for a week. If you want steak and lobster then you go get a job. Sick and tired of giving away EVERYTHING to these ingrateful fucks! The income on LINK is greater than minimum wage for people who actually WORK! Enough is enough!! Time for action!
Guess what else?
The census bureau has reported that the number of children age 10 and under in Illinois has decreased by about 6 percent.
That's our future workforce, the tax base in decline and working part-time temporary WalMart-like jobs of the future because that's all that's here. Think that there's gonna be any pensions...social security..medicare??
The clouted ones contracts will go on uninterrupted I'll bet. Oh-NO can't cut those, they're the first to be paid!
$55 Million Dollar Maggie Daley park, a prime example.
A casino would bring money in eh? Nope, not going to do it until the public workers take cut in benefits.
How about bringing in some of those good wage doctors that also hire support staff. NOpe, not gonna do it. The politicians cut funding to the licensing dept. in Illinois and new applications to practice are running 18 months behind. We don't need that stinking tax revenue. We need to show shortages to get the public employees to agree to cuts in benefits and wages. Create a crisis to use the crisis.
Ban guns sales, ban sugary soft drinks in city vending machines, ban smoking in the casinos that are here so that people gamble in Indiana instead. Direct the banks to cut off the four Illinois gun makers so that they can't hire anyone. Ban, ban, ban..Then sell off all the sources of revenue generation, the parking meters, the skyway, midway airport, sell all the cities assets.
History has shown the last thing to get raided is the treasury before everything collapses and the so-called leaders leave the country with the cash..
Anonymous said...
3 dead overnight. What does that bring Chicago's homicide total to for 2013?
1/26/2013 07:24:00 AM
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Not sure. I think we're sitting at about 37 with those three?
Is it any wonder why they want to get the guns out of the peoples hands?!
When the austerity comes down and they start cutting the food stamps and the pensions and the health care there's not much left for many in this city -- and hungry desperate people have been known to do desperate things.
They know what's commin'. Not a threat just an observation. Look at Greece, Spain, Portugal, Egypt.
Illinois treasurer says the rating change is likely to cost the taxpayers an additional $95 million dollars.
Thanks mayor for shutting down those city mental health centers. We sure hope this guy doesn't find an assault weapon ya know??
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Police: Missing man needs medication
Updated 4:28 p.m.
A 48-year-old Bridgeport man missing for two days is a diagnosed schizophrenic and is not taking his needed medication, police said today in asking for the public's help in finding him.
No more freebies for illegals!! No more coddling rif raf and paying for 8 kids. No more rewarding irresponsible behavior.
Fix the financial bleeding of the state with common sense. Illinois has resources and wealth but too many moochers. Cut them off!!
1/26/2013 01:46:00 AM
civil forfeiture of all assets, accrued and/or acquired, by those persons elected, past and present, who are, collectively and individually, responsible for our city, county and state debt to date.
the citizens do not owe this debt, neither individually nor collectively, since no citizen will ever claim personal responsibility for directing their elected representatives to incur, either via incompetence, intention and/or deliberation, such debt solely for the improper dispensing of said debt for the personal gratification and/or enrichment of any and all person or persons, directly or indirectly, by whatever means, other than for the honest purpose of financing the functioning of necessary and/or essential governmental responsibilities, said functions being limited by state and federal constitutional specifications to serving the citizens' sole interests, as enumerated within said constitutions.
in other words, hang the guilty parties upside down, shake out every last asset of value, return said assets to the citizens, via debt elimination, then, if the mood fits, drain them of all bodily fluids and burn their dessicated remains as fuel for the fires of hell.
Remember the old parable about the devil you know vs. the other devils.
1/26/2013 08:25:00 AM
you simple minded fuck.
do you really think that your combine mumbo jumbo bullshit is gonna fly here?
your butt masters are all the devils.
every last thieving one.
now, go boil a potato, in sacrifice to your potato headed butt smacker.
If there is anything left to steal or mismanage.
1/26/2013 08:33:00 AM
They can steal my horde of lead, about 125 grains at a time.
Hell, I'll give it to them, no charge for delivery.
The ones in charge are clueless.
1/26/2013 12:15:00 PM
no, the ones who put the ones in charge are clueless.
Old Retired Guy Here,Again..........
You know I would "almost" be willing to give up my pension,if all those "SOB's" would be held criminally accountable for their crimes. All those years of taxes, derailed to their own interests. Let them lose their pensions, and mega benefits.
Oh Well, just thought I would rant a little. Truth is "With All Our Rage, We Are Still, Just Rats In A Cage"
1/26/2013 09:42:00 AM
you'd have more fun by just following my lead, adjusting your clientele to your desire.
Chalkie
Where did the money from the state income tax increase go?
1/26/2013 09:24:00 AM
down the black hole, to infinity, and beyond.....
Where does jail fit in? I never really got that.
1/26/2013 08:53:00 AM
and they let you carry a gun?
What can anyone do about Illinois' situation? The machine is entrenched with the C.B.O.E. controlling who gets on the ballot, and the judges picked by and beholding to the machine, the supreme court in their pocket, and the local media acting as the machine propaganda arm and political correctness pusher, is this the situation the 2nd amendment provided for?
Yo, Garry!
While we're over 3 times larger than Chicago in population, we've had no murders for the last ten days. Only 18 so far in 2013.
How you doing in Chi-Town?
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we have 38 or 39 homicides so far this month. today alone we have 5 homicides including 2 doubles.
stop ur bitching and do something about it election are coming up so vote him out .
And the headline of both major Chicago newspapers was about the scrum between the Cubs and the rooftop owners not the Illinios debt downgrade.
So typical.
The editors of the Chicago papers are fucking eunuchs.
What moron would loan money to the State of Illinois??
-not a cop
Didnt the state income tax increase 68% to cover pension obligations? Has anyone else noticed that that money has also been funneled to other things? Indict them all for grand larceny!
Come to Illinois - where governors make your license plates! Yeeee-hawwww!
Time for Illinois to secede from Cook County......
Where is the lottery money?
.....is this the situation the 2nd amendment provided for?
1/26/2013 07:15:00 PM
in the present environment, only if you possess, and know how to use effectively, the cloak of invisibility.
They know what's commin'. Not a threat just an observation. Look at Greece, Spain, Portugal, Egypt.
1/26/2013 06:22:00 PM
attrition, my way.
accelerated, to overcome inertia.
stay sharp.
Chalkie
....and the so-called leaders leave the country with the cash..
1/26/2013 06:15:00 PM
if it's any comfort, they can run, but there's no place to hide, from me.
and that goes for their little dogs, too.
Chalkie
illegals alien and welfare abusers arent the problem.lol
Anonymous said...
stop ur bitching and do something about it election are coming up so vote him out .
1/26/2013 07:29:00 PM
Yeah, but look at two of the "possible" contenders:
Bill Daley
Lisa Madigan
You know that the corruptocrats will do everything in their power to see that one of these two gets the 'hot seat'! And if that's what happens, it'll be just more of the same...!
55 million to inner city kids to do yoga and trips.
Double homicide in 011 that's what I'm talking about!! Toughest dist around.
Anonymous said...
Where is the lottery money?
1/26/2013 08:20:00 PM
Well, I sure as hell don't have any. I just have a pile of losing tickets. Why do you ask? Where do you think the lottery money is?
I read a poor Indian dude was poisoned when he got a wheelbarrow of lottery money. Or perhaps it was an accident. Or suicide.
Now what happens to the stats? Does the homicide numbers from last year go up by one or is that poisoning now counted this year? Or do they quietly ignore that one and thus it flies away without being counted as a homicide at all?
Just wondering.
Why is the UNION, not out in front of this ?. Why is the UNION not demanding a FEDERAL GRAND JURY to see where all the pension monies have gone ? Why is the UNION not organizing buses to Springfield and Picketing the FEDERAL Building until they call a Grand Jury..Why isnt Daley and Madigan in jail ?
Get off your ASS ,UNION before the Golf outing or it will never get done......
Wasn't it another Daley that invested our pension money and lost it,investigate that! Thieves have better pensions! Unappreciated career police have, then after risking life and limb,missing family functions,do your time and retire and they try to take away the reward, your pension,shall not be diminished,according to the state constitution!
Mac no like the double double
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-boy-16-and-man-32-gunned-down-on-west-side-street-20130126,0,3833533.story
****SIX**** killed today??????
Would SOMEONE write a ^^}{^<>|~*,| contact card already!
How about a good old fashioned tar and feather party for the Madigans, Daleys, Emanuels, Mells, and every other scum bag socialist crook in this lousy state?!
Double homicide in 011 that's what I'm talking about!! Toughest dist around.
This is only one homicide - one report for 0110.
Wow. Not a good 24 hrs. A double-double. Double murder in 009, double murder in 011, a single in 009 and a single in 007. What's our dead count for January?
When in the course of human events.........
Oh Well, just thought I would rant a little. Truth is "With All Our Rage, We Are Still, Just Rats In A Cage"
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For chrissake get the Smashing Pumpkins right! "Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage."
Here's a good news brief. I had dinner with a gent who was a vice president for the chain "Culver'", the hamburger chain.
This guy told me that this chain will ever open a site in Chicago, period. This guy stated the taxes to run a business in Chicago is not worth the effort. Can you think of others who avoid the Chicago market !
Culver' has a few in Cook county, because the locations are $ makers and the county is a lot better then the city in soaking the businesses.
There is not enough federal jails to house these crooks in elected offices.
I am retired from the job and will stay around Chicago until I get planted. Too okd to move out of state.
All you young guys with little time, plan a move. My heart goes out to all of us tax payers, and only us tax payers.
People are moving from Illinois because of the high crime rate and political corruption. Jobs go to "dummy" relatives who do not know what they are doing, which costs more money in errors and waste. Fifty aldermen for Chicago, where people are leaving in droves, yet the people left here, most too poor to move, have to support too many corrupt, incompetent politicians.
Anonymous said...
Time for Illinois to secede from Cook County......
1/26/2013 08:08:00 PM
So sad. So accurate.
Members of the Illinois House and Senate who've been there over five years should be publicly hanged.
It should also be retroactive to those who've retired.
I like how they've hung ALL of the state's financial woes on the pension funds, rather than THEIR MISMANAGEMENT of the funds.
"Now, they want to print the government's pension liabilities on property tax bills."
Why don't they print it on the ballots on election day!?
rb
Why is our union not standing in the media giving the real story behind the pension mess. Why is our union not out speaking up for us and letting the folks know where the blame falls.
Why are YOU not calling, writing and emailing the union to get the answers to your questions?
If you don't, who will?
And while the state is burning these Fucking jagoffs are dicking around with GPS in guns, semi auto bans, etc.
Those things are a DISTRACTION to keep people from thinking about the economic problems and to keep them from seeing the immoral, criminal acts their about to commit to "fix" the very problems that the politicians created.
The census bureau has reported that the number of children age 10 and under in Illinois has decreased by about 6 percent.
That's our future workforce,
They're also our future Link cardholders and prisoners. Illinois schools ain't that great and the manual labor jobs are drying up.
More businesses are moving out, too.
Where is the lottery money?
Originally it was going to the schools, after their budget was ransacked.
Who knows, now?
Illinois fell to the bottom of all 50 states...
Illinois is at the bottom of all 50 states in so many other ways, too.
Thank you Cullerton, Madigan, et. al.
Edgar was the last governor to pay into the pension funds.......it was downhill from there.
The Emergency rooms at Hospitals are packed with Illegals that will never pay into OBAMA CARE, Illinois is the Link Card Public Aid State.
1/26/2013 10:26:00 AM
And the politicians that let them in line in front of you and your children will be re-elected.
Anonymous said...
if your illegal you can get a drivers license
1/26/2013 10:11:00 AM
Which will enable you to register to vote-straight Democratic,of course.
Anonymous said...
In fainess, Quinn has been working hard on this, he is the only Illinois governor out of the past three, to actually increase funding for the pension obligations. Quinn has in all actuality, poured billions into the pension funds.
So the thing is not why the bond/credit rating has been downgraded but rather if Quinn had done nothing the downgrade to this level would have happened already. Quinn's moves have managed to make the downgrades further apart.
Still, the alarm is sounding and we cannot wait for Madigan and Daley to fight over who gets to carve up the state, more action is needed now.
I am definitely not a huge Quinn fan but he has been working hard and has been paying as much as he can into those funds. It is such a huge problem it just feels like little or nothing has been done. Not altogether true.
I hate being fair to a politician but when the alternatives are named Madigan and Daley I make an exception.
If Bill Daley gets in there I am afraid to think what he might do to pay bills. What can he and Richy sell or lease off to get some walking around cash? The Mississippi River? Entire State Tollways? State Parks? Entire Counties that he can sell of lease to other states or private developers? Coal mines and deposits to China? Miles miles of corn growing regions to Russia? With a Daley involved, anything is possible. I wouldn't be surprised for another attempt at a Daley grab for control of pension funds to prop up the Daley Family ATM network of friends and family slush funds.
Remember the old parable about the devil you know vs. the other devils.
1/26/2013 08:25:00 AM
You know it's abysmal when the best of the three is Quinn.
Is it possible to sue Rahm to stop Maggie Daley park considering it's a waste of money? Has something like that ever been done?
Chicago is the Cancer.Barack,Axelrod,Rahm,Jarrett and other Hyde Park Democommies have bankrupted the nation. Goverors, State Reps, Aldermen, all in jail, indicted or under investigation, highest Tax rate in the nation. Political royalty replaced by their Pincely sons and daughters. I don't care, I will vote Democratic forever or until we all starve to death.
There's a great article in the State Journal Register on Illinois Pensions:
http://www.sj-r.com/thedome/x1578913865/Ralph-Martire-Another-way-forward-on-pension-reform
and on the other side we heard Quinn BEG PEOPLE to file for (UN)EARNED CREDIT.. says to many people are taking the FREE stuff paid for by those who WORK in this state..MORE money so these people can go to places like KEVIN'S HAMBURGER HEAVEN for STEAK and EGGS..and QUINN can collect more taxes from FOOLISH purchases..instead of using the money for things one NEEDS..
What I don't understand about the pension crisis is the investments, or lack of same? The stock market is heading into record highs yet the pension funds are loosing money? Or so they say. Was all the investment money taken out by Blago etc..? Is the very little money left actually being invested and where? Is anyone bothering to watch the funds so they are not raided again, or mismanaged just for someone's political agenda? We may never know in Illinois, Home of the crooked politicians and assholes in charge!!!!!!!
All kidding aside I am in my early 40's, have over 15 years on the job and I was born and raised in Chicago. When I was a young kid and teenager I cannot remember my father ever complaining about taxes, be it real estate or sales tax. My point is simple, spending has gotten out of control and the borrowing of our pensions has gotten even worse. And no my father was not employed as a person who received a pension, he worked in the private sector. Yet he never beefed about a few of his friends who were getting pensions back then.
I would like to know where all the money has gone and where it currently is going. Where I grew up you had very large apartment buildings with one tax bill, one water bill, they were all paid by the building owner. Now you have that same building that was converted to condos, which has several tax bills and water bills. So I guess what I am saying is we have more money coming in than we ever did and we are broke. I love living here I just hate paying dearly for it.
I have a few more years to go and I am saying goodbye to the place that the Democrats and welfare recipients have ruined.
I just wish some of these media suckholes would dig into the spending and backdoor deals instead of making all of us look like selfish pension grabbing people.
To the clueless folks in IL who think they can 'vote' themselves out of this situation:
Since I'm now among the dead (even getting a promotion in the process), let me tell you jokers something: There are uncountable legions of us spectral electors in Illinois. We inhabit vast necropoles all over the state. We vote early, and often - and fast (even thousands of times a second). You fools are no match for us. We always vote one way, too. Uncle Yusif stated it elegantly many moons ago: Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count them decide everything. Y'all better stop bitching on the internet and get back to work - Rahm, Gerry, Michael and Lisa need your money. Never forget - what's yours is theirs and what's theirs is theirs. You can rattle your chains to celebrate your freedom later.
No more freebies for illegals!! No more coddling rif raf and paying for 8 kids. No more rewarding irresponsible behavior.
Instead of bitching on here why don't you cal your State Rep, ect.
Why hasnt the FOP gone after them also and to the media? Lets start putting preasure on them and the public wil also agree with us.
Dive Dive Dive. Were going down down down and there is no way ot, unless we start to fight back and quit sitting on our hands. That means all pensioners.
Remember this Pappas put the blame back on all of us. Remember her when she is up again or trying to run for another office.
Keep on taxing the workers, keep on giving more of taxpayers money to the ever growing handout population, keep on rewarding known criminals and illegals by giving them drivers licenses, link cards, wic, free education and meals for their anchor kids, etc. their population is growing while the tax payers are dwindling. It's simple math and these horrifically dumb politicians don't get it.... They are only interested in their own success and greed. We need a revolution , something has to give.
50th out of 57 states ain't so bad right Mr. Prez?
55 million to inner city kids to do yoga and trips.
1/26/2013 09:54:00 PM
Yet another example of how fucked up Rahm's priorities are. He continues to pander to and cater to the Link crowd along with his friends in big business.
The poor city workers who are relying on their meager, long ago promised, pensions to survive? Rahm doesn't give a shit about you. He'd just as soon piss on you and tell you it's raining!
I am simply mortified.No ifs and ands.I am mortified this can happem to the pensions,Mortified.
I ran into ald. Zalewski the other night at the casino and he told me that the gov. Is doing an outstanding job.
illegals get DLS Americans get higher taxes Vote Democratic Nice!
How many double dippers are working for the city right now? Remember Tom Thumb being put in charge of Streets & San? How many others are there? Hello media????? I'm sure, based on his extensive knowledge of all things Streets & San, he was the best person for the job.
1/26/2013 07:02:00 AM
Retired sworn members of the CFD and the CPD who are rehired by the city in a civilian position are not double-dippers, as far as pensions. They do not get a second pension. It is not allowed by law. Fact.
Bring Jody back!! I will work with him!
Bring Jody back!! I will work with him!
1/29/2013 11:47:00 AM
what, your pet monkey died?
No, but a pay check is a pay check!
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