Thursday, May 09, 2013

Bad News Brewing

  • Jacquelyn Greco allegedly told an acquaintance in 1979 that she wanted out of her troubled marriage so badly she and her lover — a Chicago police detective — had concocted a deadly plan:

    They’d kill her husband.

    Weeks later, two masked gunmen burst into the family’s upscale Inverness home and locked Greco, along with three of her children, in a bedroom closet.

    When her husband, 34-year-old Carl Gaimari, returned home an hour later, the intruders shot the wealthy commodities trader to death in his basement with two of his own guns.

    A week after her husband’s April 30, 1979 slaying, Jacquelyn Greco’s lover moved into the house, Cook County authorities contend. Barely three months later, on Aug. 10, the couple married, court records show.

  • Police officers pursuing suspects fleeing a home invasion were involved in a traffic collision at a South Side intersection Wednesday morning that killed a woman driving to work, Chicago police said.

    Two officers assigned to the Gresham police district were injured in the wreck and taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital.

    Police said the officers' SUV had its siren and lights operating but couldn't say if the squad car ran a red light at 76th Street and Yates Boulevard during the chase or how fast the vehicle was going.

    As with all police chases, the department will look into whether the officers involved in Wednesday’s crash followed proper procedures in pursuing the suspects, a spokesman said. Officers must weigh the seriousness of the offense against the dangers of a chase for other drivers and bystanders.

    Officers are not allowed to chase suspects wanted for minor traffic offenses. But the suspects in Wednesday’s case committed a serious crime with a gun, police said.

These will be in the news for a few days, maybe longer depending. Best wishes to the injured.

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43 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If you chase the shitheads and they kill someone, they blame the cops.
If you don't chase and let em go, they get you for failure to take police action.

5/09/2013 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a thought, if this department does not want us to be involved in vehicle pursuits, how come we do not have stop sticks? If we can utilize this tool used by so many departments it would probably reduce the number of fatalities. A vehicle slowed down by this tool would probably mean the vehicles pursuing would be going slower as well.

5/09/2013 02:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The bad news is yet to come. Bosses, detectives indictments pending for Koschman case. Webb is interviewing everyone who ever heard anything about the case. It's heating up.

5/09/2013 02:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police said the officers' SUV had its siren and lights operating but couldn't say if the squad car ran a red light at 76th Street and Yates Boulevard during the chase...

or how fast the vehicle was going.

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What no red light cameras at that intersection?

And there's a few schools near that route. (Hirsch ?) No school zone speed trap cameras either?

WTF Rahm you said you were making the children safer with these cameras?

5/09/2013 03:07:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Prepare for a news media shitstorm.

5/09/2013 06:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i mean what are we supposed to do just let the bad guys go because they run?

5/09/2013 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This should be a reason to allow all law abiding citizens and their families to own and know how to use a firearm to defend themselves against an armed intruder. Rssponding officers won't need to get into a vehicle pursuit with a forcible felon, They'll just need to maintain the scene when the felon gets sent to his eternal reward. Word gets out and maybe Chicago will see a deacrease in Burglaries and home invasions. Bad guys might think twice about walking in to somebody's house for fear of having to be carried out in a bag.

5/09/2013 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The totality of the circumstances should rest on the shoulders of the offender, not the police. It gets me sick, we shouldn't chase for traffic. Well duh, we all know it may start off initially for traffic if the plates don't come back hot, but 99.9% of the time its more than just traffic. Nobody in Chicago runs for traffic, nobody.

5/09/2013 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The bad news is yet to come. Bosses, detectives indictments pending for Koschman case. Webb is interviewing everyone who ever heard anything about the case. It's heating up.

5/09/2013 02:45:00 AM

Yea sure pal.I will be holding my breath.

5/09/2013 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If you chase the shitheads and they kill someone, they blame the cops.
If you don't chase and let em go, they get you for failure to take police action.



really???? I see a lot more damned for doing than donting

5/09/2013 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i mean what are we supposed to do just let the bad guys go because they run?

No dumb fuck, were supposed to evaluate the situation to avoid what happened. Now shut the fuck up & realize this isn't tv!

5/09/2013 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i mean what are we supposed to do just let the bad guys go because they run?
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It is about weighing the risk to the public and to the officers against the limited value of catching the bad guys.

When evaluated using that criteria (which appears to be the proper criteria) high speed chases are often inappropriate, and are almost never warranted in areas with heavy traffic.

If they get away, so what? It just does not make much difference most of the time.

5/09/2013 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meh, on a scale of

1 --> Seeing a cop run a red light or park illegally for his/her personal convenience
10 --> Abbate

this member of the public gives these incidents a mere 2 or 2.5.

5/09/2013 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You just know the IPRA will throw these PO's under the bus. The family hit the ghetto lotto!!

5/09/2013 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The bad news is yet to come. Bosses, detectives indictments pending for Koschman case. Webb is interviewing everyone who ever heard anything about the case. It's heating up.

5/09/2013 02:45:00 AM

Please let Sam "Flatfoot" Roti be the indicted one! Buh-bye bloated gold-braid pension Sammie! I hope you take a real hosing.

5/09/2013 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Easy it up, Anonymous said...

The bad news is yet to come. Bosses, detectives indictments pending for Koschman case. Webb is interviewing everyone who ever heard anything about the case. It's heating up.

5/09/2013 02:45:00 AM

"Interviewing everyone" doesnt necessarily mean indictments. They have to interview everyone if they want to do a thorough job.

5/09/2013 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hope the officers are in perfect shape asap. this isn't the first time gresham officers had some hard questions come down on them for car chases. maybe this time there won't be other officers who are forced under the spot light due to other officers. let's not forget there are cameras everywhere which can easily be obtained by ipra.

5/09/2013 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was the chief of detectives when this Koschman kid got sucker punched?

5/09/2013 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You just know the IPRA will throw these PO's under the bus. The family hit the ghetto lotto!!

That isn't the answer to everything. Did you stop to think the family is pissed off because a person died! Over a banger fleeing what came out as a burglary then became a man with a gun! If you don't know what happened STFU! I know what happened, know both coppers and I'll leave it at that. GOD bless the woman who lost her life over bullshit! If that was your family member your story would be different.

5/09/2013 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You chase...

Shit-Head crashes and kills self or someone else...

Some poor slob innocent gets caught up and gets killed or injured...

The City Hall & anal whore media and propaganda apparatus will take pains to insure that you're virtually dangled by your neck from the tree in front of the smoking remains of your home for committing "such an outrage."

But everyone wants The Policemen to gladly take the hard lick for the "good of the team" and smile through gritted teeth...

*Hang me if you must but I done my duty*

THAT... Is. Bullshit...

Heh... Plenty of Coppers thrown to the dogs and rotting alive in prison for "doing what needed to be done."

And people want to be pissed at The Coppers left standing for surveying the wreckage and saying "fuck that noise."

Policemen ARE brave... But they AREN'T stupid.

Throwing Policemen to the dogs for political expediency results predictably in purely defensive Policing.

Plain common sense.

The fools who start the shit-storm will merit one sentence in the predictably anti-Police narrative.

5/09/2013 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You just know the IPRA will throw these PO's under the bus. The family hit the ghetto lotto!!

5/09/2013 02:40:00 PM

wow, actually seems like this lady may be a decent human being. Everybody in the hood isn't trying to hit the "ghetto lottery you dumb ass"

5/09/2013 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck guys get well soon.This job is one big hazard, feel sorry for the lady but you can't let every criminal go.

5/09/2013 07:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
You just know the IPRA will throw these PO's under the bus. The family hit the ghetto lotto!!

5/09/2013 02:40:00 PM
Hey fool, IPRA doesn't investigate traffic crashes. Comment again when you score 3659 on the sgts. test.

5/09/2013 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The papers are incorrectly stating that the now retired detective was shot 3 times. He was actually shot 5 times in the chest from about 4 feet away in the mid 70's. It's amazing that he survived that, even more amazing that he has lived all these years later with the nonstop physical ailments caused by that night almost 40 years ago. The papers seem to have gone out their way to paint him as being involved in this crap, but don't bother printing the truth about anything, just hearsay! Scumbags.

5/09/2013 08:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
i mean what are we supposed to do just let the bad guys go because they run?

No dumb fuck, were supposed to evaluate the situation to avoid what happened. Now shut the fuck up & realize this isn't tv!

5/09/2013 11:31:00 AM
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Ok tough guy I will remember that when your house is home invaded and the offenders take off in a vehicle. Pursuits are a part of policing... Maybe you should rethink your career.

5/09/2013 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

The totality of the circumstances should rest on the shoulders of the offender, not the police. It gets me sick, we shouldn't chase for traffic. Well duh, we all know it may start off initially for traffic if the plates don't come back hot, but 99.9% of the time its more than just traffic. Nobody in Chicago runs for traffic, nobody.

5/09/2013 09:18:00 AM

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Good luck on the Sergeant's Test.

5/10/2013 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nonymous said...
Who was the chief of detectives when this Koschman kid got sucker punched?

5/09/2013 05:38:00 PM

Molloy

5/10/2013 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No dumb fuck, were supposed to evaluate the situation to avoid what happened. Now shut the fuck up & realize this isn't tv!

I sure hope you aren't patrolling my neighborhood. home invasion while armed with a handgun in my evaluation sounds like a series enough offense to chase for. I mean shit happens it's life, but imagine a world in which criminals knew if they ran that no one would chase them. Sorry the lady got killed, but it's life and the bad guy should be blamed not the officers.

5/10/2013 04:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow a bunch of tough guys on here. What if the lady killed was your mother, grandmother, sister, aunt, or daughter...how would you feel? I'm not saying what the coppers did was "wrong" but we have to exercise sound judgment on this job at all times

5/10/2013 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No dumb fuck, were supposed to evaluate the situation to avoid what happened. Now shut the fuck up & realize this isn't tv!

I sure hope you aren't patrolling my neighborhood. home invasion while armed with a handgun in my evaluation sounds like a series enough offense to chase for. I mean shit happens it's life, but imagine a world in which criminals knew if they ran that no one would chase them. Sorry the lady got killed, but it's life and the bad guy should be blamed not the officers.

5/10/2013 04:31:00 AM

You are a fucking idiot. Would it be "life" if your wife and kids were killed? What a great "life." Somebody gets a DC and you get to bury your family. It's not about blame, its about people dying.

5/10/2013 11:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Molloy


5/10/2013 01:18:00 AM

BIFF Molloy deserves a fucking as huge as his ego and his head.

5/10/2013 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
You just know the IPRA will throw these PO's under the bus. The family hit the ghetto lotto!!



First pursuits are handled by iAd not ipra. Second if the officers were compliant in chasing (home invasion is a valid reason) and the officers didn't act with reckless disregard of life and in good faith then this case will be spun out of court in the officers favor with a motion for summary judgement. It was an accident and the Supreme Court does not hold officers/depts liable for accidents caused in good faith and proper procedure. If suit is filed it will be terminated a few months after depositions end and the city files a motion to dismiss... Fact

5/10/2013 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The totality of the circumstances should rest on the shoulders of the offender, not the police. It gets me sick, we shouldn't chase for traffic. Well duh, we all know it may start off initially for traffic if the plates don't come back hot, but 99.9% of the time its more than just traffic. Nobody in Chicago runs for traffic, nobody.

5/09/2013 09:18:00 AM

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Good luck on the Sergeant's Test.

5/10/2013 01:04:00 AM

What is it with this Sgts. test shit??!! Who the fuck would want to be a member of this fucked up command staff in this bat shit dept?!?!

5/10/2013 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok tough guy I will remember that when your house is home invaded and the offenders take off in a vehicle. Pursuits are a part of policing... Maybe you should rethink your career.

5/09/2013 11:00:00 PM

Spoken like a true slick sleeve bitch! If you were not there shut the fuck up! Here a news flash, we make mistakes. I won't say "good job" regardless of what was said by others! Maybe if you were on the zone and had a clue you could make a valid statement!

5/11/2013 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You just know the IPRA will throw these PO's under the bus. The family hit the ghetto lotto!!

5/09/2013 02:40:00 PM
Hey fool, IPRA doesn't investigate traffic crashes. Comment again when you score 3659 on the sgts. test.

5/09/2013 08:40:00 PM

The "ghetto" lotto? You are an idiot. That's all you can say about the deceased without knowing anything about her. She's dead due to T/C involving police,therefore you insert "ghetto" into the equation. Moron!

5/11/2013 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "ghetto" lotto? You are an idiot. That's all you can say about the deceased without knowing anything about her. She's dead due to T/C involving police,therefore you insert "ghetto" into the equation. Moron!

5/11/2013 11:46:00 AM

You must be a clueless, liberal moron. You are defending a culture of which you apparently have no knowledge. It is way-different. High values do not apply in the overwhelmingly number of such instances.

5/11/2013 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chief of Dets Maria Maher
Dept Supt Hiram Grau Investigative Services Both end up with top jobs. Maria is head of the judges security detail at 26th St and LiL Hi is State police head.

5/11/2013 06:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "ghetto" lotto? You are an idiot. That's all you can say about the deceased without knowing anything about her. She's dead due to T/C involving police,therefore you insert "ghetto" into the equation. Moron!

5/11/2013 11:46:00 AM

You must be a clueless, liberal moron. You are defending a culture of which you apparently have no knowledge. It is way-different. High values do not apply in the overwhelmingly number of such instances.

5/11/2013 05:19:00 PM

To the original liberal, moron poster, read the posting under the title "Felony Murder Charge". And no, I do not have a crystal ball, just know a little bit more than you about ghetto logic.

5/12/2013 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The "ghetto" lotto? You are an idiot. That's all you can say about the deceased without knowing anything about her. She's dead due to T/C involving police,therefore you insert "ghetto" into the equation. Moron!

5/11/2013 11:46:00 AM

You must be a clueless, liberal moron. You are defending a culture of which you apparently have no knowledge. It is way-different. High values do not apply in the overwhelmingly number of such instances.

5/11/2013 05:19:00 PM

Hey idiot I'm talking about the dearly departed. Conservative jagoff!

5/12/2013 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey idiot I'm talking about the dearly departed. Conservative jagoff!

5/12/2013 12:18:00 PM

And, if you knew how to read, the original comment was about the family, not the dearly departed. Also, if you knew anything about the ghetto culture, you would understand the comment. Liberal asshole.

5/13/2013 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Hey idiot I'm talking about the dearly departed. Conservative jagoff!

5/12/2013 12:18:00 PM

And, if you knew how to read, the original comment was about the family, not the dearly departed. Also, if you knew anything about the ghetto culture, you would understand the comment. Liberal asshole.

5/13/2013 08:25:00 AM

Enlighten us on ghetto culture.

5/14/2013 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enlighten us on ghetto culture.

5/14/2013 09:13:00 AM

No, thanks. Liberals are not worth the time and effort.

5/15/2013 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enlighten us on ghetto culture.

5/14/2013 09:13:00 AM

Liberals are not worth the time and effort.

5/15/2013 02:06:00 PM  

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