Madigan Muscles Through "Reform"
- The Illinois House approved a comprehensive pension-reform plan for the first time on Thursday after years of talks.
The House voted 62-51 Thursday to advance the measure -- SB1 -- sponsored by House Speaker Michael Madigan.
The Chicago Democrat's proposal is designed to close a $97 billion deficit that dogs the state's pension plans. Underfunding for decades has left the accounts short of what they need.
The legislation requires employees to contribute 2 percent more of their earnings to their pensions. They would also have to delay retirement and accept less-generous annual cost-of-living increases.
The state would guarantee it would make its required contribution every year.
The unions have already threatened a lawsuit and the Senate president Cullerton D-Machine) has expressed doubts about certain aspects of the bill.
A very irritated reader posted this interesting list though:
A very irritated reader posted this interesting list though:
- FOP LODGE #7 ENDORSED HOUSE MEMBERS THAT VOTED FOR SB 1
Acevedo; Arroyo; Berrios; Burke, D.; Burke, K.; Dunkin; Feigenholtz; Harris, G.; HURLEY - We could have elected CFD member Tony Martin; Madigan, M. The Speaker; Mell; Willis
SO the bill passed by 3 votes (needed 60) and 12 of the people FOP endorsed voted for this shit!?!?
Interesting? Yes. Shocking? Not really.
Labels: pension
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
71 Comments:
Thanks Fran.. You Fugly, cry me a river, single mommy, free tuition taking, political Whore!! Shame on the 19th ward Constituants who voted this Braud into office..
But hey, as long as she's Irish and White and from the neighborhood...It's all good then!
And you Morons in Garcia Ridge, Clearing, West Lawn, etc.
are no better regarding Madigan.. Whores!
Is Shields wired to Madigan and his crew of assholes mentioned ?
FOP endorses all this ground feeding grubs and we get screwed again !!
Monday, I am pulling out of the FOP and let my dues go fly in the wind.
Shield ---- thanks to the kids that wanted young blood Shields run the FOP, we are out in left field.
The more copppers that pull their membership from the FOP the better ! What the hell does the FOP do for the street coppers anyway, ZERO. Think for a change all you under 13 yoj wonder police !!
Let them sell the prime property building housing the FOP "WE" own...and move to Austin.
Hey , they stole/mismanaged it and now we must fix it.
Sounds fair to me.
97 billion... LOL
If Illinois was a company, every moron in springfield would've been fired long ago.
So suck it up and go work some more VRI and come in with some more activity. Maybe all that ass kissing will persuade them to change their minds and go to bat for us vs. the politicians. You idiots seem to have all the answers so enlighten us all with your intellect. What's that I hear? Yep, more crickets.
I thought they previously promised to pay their portion but have neglected to keep that promise. Way to go Illinois politicians, you wonder why this statethe toilet of the U.S., check a mirror.
there has to be some kind of pension reform, IT DOES NOT WORK THE WAY IT IS!!!
Cutting middle class pensions has a destructive effect on the overall economy
One person'a pension and spending becomes another person's income.
The pensions benefits are moderate and on par with other States. The problem was IL unlike other states put off paying their contributions
These latest measures are only breeding more IL economic dysfunction.
Bitch all you want people, come election time, the results will always be the same.
Dummies.
besides fighting this in court! how about the unions find out if there are any charges they can bring about to these politicians for going against the constitution of the land and stop this attack on pensions! god forbid the state should pay up what they owe! state has money for illegals, welfare, health care for the welfare and illegals and every other freebee they get. signed a working man!
Why would we endorse Tony Martin a firefighter. He just finished law school, has been on the pension board for 15+ years and goes to Springfield to fight against benefits that the legislature wants to take away. Next to Fran Hurley he is way to qualified for the job. So we give Madigan money and endorse his hand picked candidates and they turn around and fuck us. Shields and Gorman are playing Tah game right. It not what you get today but what you will receive when it's done. No need to explain Mikey nobody believes a word you say and shame on us for not demanding an answer at the meetings. The rest of the board is there for their $600 check. Good job guys spend it well.
Did you expect anything else? As I have written in the past, the day will come when the agreement that the sergeant's association first had will look good. Funny , the unions are going to court-- are they going to ask for an injunction-- from who ? Anne Burke? really amusing.
And you really believe they would have lost without the FOP endorsement? Our guys do not vote. Plain and simple. All the voting stats show it.
If you took a poll right now, I'd bet more than 80% of our people don't even know who their current state reps and senators are. Shit, most don't even know who their watch and unit reps are.
FOP endorsements have never swayed me to vote for a bad candidate. Don't blame them. Blame the voters. Make that non-voters.
Now go out there and bust your ass for the non-working ghetto assholes who, at the end of the day, make more money than you do after taxes and deductions. All for sitting home, watching Maury and making babies that they don't raise. Or for hanging on the corner with the homies smoking weed and drinking better booze than you drink. While dressed in clothing and shoes that you can't afford to buy your kids even with that part time job and the Better Half working.
And while you're out there saving them from themselves, please remember that the pension you were promised when you signed on is going to be reduced by a good amount so that the aforementioned non-contributors can continue to live their hedonistic - albeit abbreviated - lifestyle.
That's right, suckers - YOU'LL have to sacrifice a bit more to make things work. No, the pols won't even dare entertaining the thought of scaling-back the entitlements for their loyal, Democratic voting constituents.
The script has been flipped and modern day slavery is in full effect. Enjoy.
How about next time around some of you political "experts" submit requests to be on the FOP Political Action Committee?
Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen as demonstrated by the fact that only the same 150 or so actually take the time to attend a monthly meeting where they get free beer and food.
The PAC might require some actual work with a commitment of time. Fuggetaboudit!
In reguards to pension reforms, I'd want all the money I put into it back. Let those retired guys go back to work.
Fran "can someone pull Donahue out of my ass" Hurley!
FOP shit in our mess kit again!
3 fing votes and we couldn't get this killed? REALLY?
They did this while the police memorial was going on outside on the capitol lawn by the way
and the Governor that FOP gave over $10000 last year came out right after in support of Madigan's plan.
Can't wait to see what Rahmbo has in mind since our funds are in worse shape than the state's.
So now they have the new and improved magical pension bill they have been crying for and this is supposed to solve the budget issue, right? Now tell me what the excuse will be next year, or maybe 2-3 years later when the budget is STILL in a deficit??? What will be the solution then? If you think anything will change with these fools your are mistaken. Things will be even worse in the years to come because the revenue this bill is supposed to allocate towards the pensions will be used for everything but what it was designed for. There are no guarantees that the state will contribute their share and leave the fund untouched. This is why the pension deficit happened in the first place. These legislatures act like nothing but irresponsible teenagers with mom and dad's credit cards going on a spending spree. And We the People, are footing the bill for their spending and fiscal impropriety. Same thing happening with city workers' pensions too- the city uses that money to fund projects and programs that it cannot run otherwise, and then fails to meet their required contribution on top of misusing those funds. And now after years of mismanaging this money, they push responsibility on the workers who have contributed their portion with every paycheck. It's just like the banks when the government used taxpayer money to bail them out- they acted irresponsibly and we paid for it, yet no one was held accountable. Same principle here. The state is acted irresponsibly with our money and now we are supposed to bail them out. And again, no one is held responsible.
People in this state and city constantly bitch about the mismanagement, the corruption, the inside dealings, etc... But when it comes to election time; they act like idiots. Here is a real life example. My good friend ran for public office. His opposing candidate was a well known son of a well known politician. Everyone told him "oh we need to elect someone with more experience". Yep, the people spoke and they voted for the son of a politician who had more "experience". Then the very same people bitch and complain how the insider politicians keep raping them.
vote everyone out of office. spread the word. NO!
while all you old timers and now retirees sat idly by and let them bleed our pension fund dry by stealing from it and not contributing to it what did you think was gonna happen? The taxpayers ddon't care whether or not we have a pension and they sure as hell don't wanna pay it. So you are left with only a couple options. No pension. Or a diminished or changed one.
Hey Beverly and Mt. Greenwood 19th Ward people, Rep. Fran Hurley voted for the pension reform bill and so did Sen. Bill Cunningham the first time around. Remember during the teacher strike they told all of the teachers that they had their backs!! I guess they meant they had the knife in their backs. You can throw O'Shea in with them too. O'Shea has bowed to Rahm on EVERY vote taken. He hasn't ever voted against any Rahm legislation, EVER! Check the Chicago Magazine article if you don't believe me.
WE MUST VOTE THESE 19TH WARD CANDIDATES OUT!!!!!! WHEN YOU SEE THEM IN PUBLIC, CALL THEM OUT AND EMBARASS THEM!! THIS IS WITHIN OUR RIGHTS!!
So the 100's of thousands of lazy dog ass shitheads can live life free forever by choice and they are going to make me work even longer on this fucked up job. Wow!
And, Acevedo is still a copper,
What an asshole
He forgot where he came from
FOP did not endorse police officers that have police officers interests in mind. That sums up FOP's position.
America
And you Morons in Garcia Ridge, Clearing, West Lawn, etc.
are no better regarding Madigan.. Whores!
5/03/2013 12:25:00 AM
I must admit this is a good comment.
Question is...What does this mean for us? We are seperate from this bill, right?
just give me back what i have put into the pension so far, i'll do my own retirement planning. give us the option at least. you illinois communists are turning this state into 7800 block of s marshfield.
Funny none of these assholes are offering to cut their pay, pensions or benefits....why don't they look at welfare/link abuse...I love watching people at 7-11 buy big gulps, chips and candy with link cards then go outside and get in their new escalade....Why don't they fix the bullshit and the pension mess they created....my contributions come out of my check every payday...
It's not the working coppers and firemen that are puting these fucking thieves back into office. It is the folks that are getting the free stuff that are being told how to vote, and like little obama clones they vote as told, democratic. They continue to live off of our dime and we pay the price.
Anonymous said...
Thanks Fran.. You Fugly, cry me a river, single mommy, free tuition taking, political Whore!! Shame on the 19th ward Constituants who voted this Braud into office..
But hey, as long as she's Irish and White and from the neighborhood...It's all good then!
And you Morons in Garcia Ridge, Clearing, West Lawn, etc.
are no better regarding Madigan.. Whores!
5/03/2013 12:25:00 AM
I thought he was going to blame JJjr. and his wife.
This should bury Shields. Time for new leadership.
Real reform would INCLUDE the judicial retirement system. They still trying to buy off the judges to get this passed,!
there has to be some kind of pension reform, IT DOES NOT WORK THE WAY IT IS!!!
5/03/2013 06:11:00 AM
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Cut the social programs and the political pork and the pensions will be fully funded. Funny how police, firemen, teachers etc can't get paid for their WORK, while countless sheep are paid for NOT WORKING simply because they vote for the machine.
Fran said she would never vote for any bill that would reduce or diminish our benefits. Congratulations 19th Ward! All you merit suckholes are taking us all down with you.
Cut all the social programs, welfare and the like? Are you living in a dream world, those are the people that put the politicians in. Think of something else.
The constitution, the law, a contract? Mean absolutely nothing.
Looks like it's all coming to roost. Everyone blamed Ade and co. for being in bed with the city. Mikey screamed that he was a sellout. Our pension is on life support and needs some type of infusion quickly or it will be dead and buried very shortly. Constitution or not.....when it's gone, it's gone. Right now it looks like the deal that Ade proposed was pretty darn good compared to the alternative. It was actually fair and not that hard to stomach. Unfortunately coppers aren't too bright and couldn't see a good deal if it slapped them in the face. The good deal got voted down and now we all have to suffer and live with the alternative over which we have no say. This will be interesting. Thankfully we have our pension trustees that are doing such a bang up job of protecting our funds. Remember, Mikey was one of those trustees for a number of years along with Lazarro. Both were critical of the Ade plan but both are guilty of not doing a damn thing while being pension trustees. Maybe an investigation into those two and all the others that serve/d on the Pension Board is in order to determine guilt and charges that need to be levied against them for letting this get so out of control. Just saying!!!!
What were the trustees from the pension board doing all these years while the city was refusing to put in its portion in towards our pensions?
"Cut the social programs and the political pork and the pensions will be fully funded. Funny how police, firemen, teachers etc can't get paid for their WORK, while countless sheep are paid for NOT WORKING simply because they vote for the machine."
you noticed the connection between the useless, who continually vote Democratic and are on the public dole, and the politicians who rely on their votes to stay in office..meanwhile, the workers, police, fire, etc., get a parade once in awhile, and some bullshit political speech saying how honorable they are, while the liberal Dems try and cut their pensions....a refined definition of hypocritical low life people of no character or integrity....
Avocado is not a cop. He is a politician who owns a cop uniform.
How many of you go to http://firstresponderpensionfacts.com/ or follow them on facebook? PBPA has lobbiest activly working on the pension fund and keep you current on legislation. We Are One Illinois has a websight with a phone number that connects you directly to your state legislators. FOP constantly posts information on pension legislation.
If you are not current with what is going on in Springfield regarding your retirement pension then you have no one to blame but yourself. Now is when you need to step up to the plate, do your homework and make a few phone calls. It is yor money at stake.
Don't worry Shields and Donahue are on top of things.
FOP did not endorse police officers that have police officers interests in mind. That sums up FOP's position.
Somehow police officers that get elected alderman very quickly forget about police officers interests and join the politicians
Same goes for most judges
Question is...What does this mean for us? We are seperate from this bill, right?
Means nothing to or for us This bill is for STATE EMPLOYEES
They will have to rebuild all the projects for us to live in. We wont have any pension at all when they are through. Their next move will be to tell all retirees they can go on aid and link.
SCC I saw a post on this blog recently that had the state board of elections info on how much fop gave to Madigan and Quinn and maybe Cullerton too. Any way you can repost that info? Thanks
Aonymous said... It's not the working coppers and firemen that are puting these fucking thieves back into office.
You wanna bet!!!! By not registering or not bothering to vote for those of us who are registered, our own members are in effect helping keep them in office
Suckers!!!!
Someone has to pay for those LINK cards.
Now show some respect on the next domestic you show up on, bitches!
there has to be some kind of pension reform, IT DOES NOT WORK THE WAY IT IS!!!
5/03/2013 06:11:00 AM
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Cut the social programs and the political pork and the pensions will be fully funded. Funny how police, firemen, teachers etc can't get paid for their WORK, while countless sheep are paid for NOT WORKING simply because they vote for the machine.
5/03/2013 03:25:00 PM
Yup, Obamaphones are paying so much now with the 250 free minutes a month that the companies providing them take out ads on TV...Something wrong with this picture. But a phone is apparently a God given right.
Paid for by the 73 cent Federal Universal service fee, the 9 cent Il. universal service fee and the 6 cent telecom relay service and equipment fee on your AT&T bill.
Pensions are done, lets face it do you really think a copper with 10-15yrs on will ever see their pension ? This is a really big problem the money is gone and they know it.What is 2% more going to do?
Let's imagine you are a State Rep. Who do you think has more convincing power when he calls you up, Mike Shields or Mike Madigan?
Please notice that judges throughout Illinois will NOT have their pensions impacted by any of these "reforms." Judges pensions are exempt. Because judges will decide this issue ultimately. They are already bought and paid for. This is decided behind closed doors and will happen the way Madigan and Cullerton want it to happen.
All that is left is for Clarabelle Quinn the Clown to make some moronic statements and sign the thing.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Question is...What does this mean for us? We are seperate from this bill, right?
Means nothing to or for us This bill is for STATE EMPLOYEES
5/03/2013 06:49:00 PM
You're trying to be funny, right? You can't seriously think Emanuel won't use this as his blueprint to destroy our pensions.
I guess it's always okay as long as it's the 'other guy' getting screwed over? And then it's a big surprise when it happens to YOU?
Question is...What does this mean for us? We are seperate from this bill, right?
Means nothing to or for us This bill is for STATE EMPLOYEES
You, sir, are completely wrong. Rahm and Co. are watching very closely to what Springfield does with this pension reform. While these plans/propsals do not directly affect us, the legislation that Springfield may pass will be the blueprint for 9.5 to try and screw us over. Rahm will see what will pass, what the courts may strike down, and go from there.
They are PISSING on our head and calling it rain!
We were to work then and be guaranteed by law to get paid latter?
Simple answer: Change the law guarantee and then the City Claims a fair fight with the Famous FOP who helped them win?
IT'S AGAINST THE LAW NOT TO DEDUCT TAXES,INSURANCE, PENSION, HEALTH CARE OR WELLNESS PENALTIES EVEN UNION DUES?
Ah State Rep Marty Moylan who was a BA for the electrical unions prior to getting elected Stae Rep voted with Madigan on his bill and did not consider the fair bill that the unions were pushing. How soon we forget. Remember Stae Reps run every two ears guys and girls. We need to get our act togeather.Many other State Eps begged us for endorsements and we gave most of them it. Now look what we got.
Boys and girls don't tie the noose to the ceiling joist just yet. Sit back, take a deep breath, and clear your minds.
Should any of these proposed changes actually become law, you can bet that court challeges and appeals by both sides will occur. This would tie this up for years.
As for Chicago, there is already a fix in place. It's called the ARC and it's set to go into effect in 2015. It has Rahm literally shitting in his mayoral pants because it will finally force the City to be making the appropriate pension contributions to get the funding where it belongs.
A casino is forthcoming and that is a part of solution for the City if that little shit is smart enough to realize it. There is also proposed legislation to force his hand.
I'm not saying that we should ignore the situation, just keep it all in perspective.
Anonymous said...
there has to be some kind of pension reform, IT DOES NOT WORK THE WAY IT IS!!!
5/03/2013 06:11:00 AM
Hey,dumbass-IT WORKS IF YOU FUND IT ACCORDING TO LAW!!!
Anonymous said...
And you really believe they would have lost without the FOP endorsement? Our guys do not vote. Plain and simple. All the voting stats show it.
If you took a poll right now, I'd bet more than 80% of our people don't even know who their current state reps and senators are. Shit, most don't even know who their watch and unit reps are.
FOP endorsements have never swayed me to vote for a bad candidate. Don't blame them. Blame the voters. Make that non-voters.
5/03/2013 08:08:00 AM
I'd bet that 80% knows all the stats of their favorite sports team.
Because that's important.
Anonymous said...
How many of you go to http://firstresponderpensionfacts.com/ or follow them on facebook? PBPA has lobbiest activly working on the pension fund and keep you current on legislation. We Are One Illinois has a websight with a phone number that connects you directly to your state legislators. FOP constantly posts information on pension legislation.
If you are not current with what is going on in Springfield regarding your retirement pension then you have no one to blame but yourself. Now is when you need to step up to the plate, do your homework and make a few phone calls. It is yor money at stake.
5/03/2013 05:48:00 PM
Agreed. It only takes a few minutes and people are too lazy to do it.
Anonymous said...
Hey Beverly and Mt. Greenwood 19th Ward people, Rep. Fran Hurley voted for the pension reform bill and so did Sen. Bill Cunningham the first time around. Remember during the teacher strike they told all of the teachers that they had their backs!! I guess they meant they had the knife in their backs. You can throw O'Shea in with them too. O'Shea has bowed to Rahm on EVERY vote taken. He hasn't ever voted against any Rahm legislation, EVER! Check the Chicago Magazine article if you don't believe me.
5/03/2013 11:31:00 AM
What's funny is that you expected them not to act and vote the way they do.
You're trying to be funny, right? You can't seriously think Emanuel won't use this as his blueprint to destroy our pensions.
I guess it's always okay as long as it's the 'other guy' getting screwed over? And then it's a big surprise when it happens to YOU?
You sound bitter. All the comment was is that our pension was not included in the bill and it was only for state employees The original guy just wanted to know if it affected us and the bill does not You can speculate all you want on what Rahm will do
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Question is...What does this mean for us? We are seperate from this bill, right?
Means nothing to or for us This bill is for STATE EMPLOYEES
5/03/2013 06:49:00 PM
You're trying to be funny, right? You can't seriously think Emanuel won't use this as his blueprint to destroy our pensions.
I guess it's always okay as long as it's the 'other guy' getting screwed over? And then it's a big surprise when it happens to YOU?
5/04/2013 12:43:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Question is...What does this mean for us? We are seperate from this bill, right?
Means nothing to or for us This bill is for STATE EMPLOYEES
You, sir, are completely wrong. Rahm and Co. are watching very closely to what Springfield does with this pension reform. While these plans/propsals do not directly affect us, the legislation that Springfield may pass will be the blueprint for 9.5 to try and screw us over. Rahm will see what will pass, what the courts may strike down, and go from there.
5/04/2013 01:01:00 AM
Ha! Whoever you are, 0101hrs, great minds...and all that.
Then again, you and I are probably friends who talk about this over and over again, anyway.
Lets ask Madigan and Quinn and all the other politicians who are trying to "reform" our pensions how much their pensions will be affected. Typical Illinois BS, take away from the people but keep it for themselves. What we need are less politicians.
Here is the WORST part of the new bill..it will not stop the elected officals from not paying the pension money into the pension funds. Just like the past 40 years, when they were spending pension dollars on roads, unemployed, or whatever..they can do it all again. It's not like they are preventing what they have already done---jags.
Fran Hurley and Billy "the do what I'm told" Cunningham voted for a bill that saves the state over 1 billion immediately with none of the current savings going back into the system to help fund the systems better. Great Job Beverly! Keep electing O'Shea's people. Let us not forget all the teachers he sold out. Everyone except a few friends at the AG.
Madigan is probably the biggest culprit for the huge mess the pension funds have become.
Yet nowhere do I see him admit guilt and put some of his skin in the game. No he'd rather gloss right over his and his cohorts guilt and put all the pain on the poor workers who've done nothing wrong.
Question is...What does this mean for us? We are seperate from this bill, right?
5/03/2013 12:42:00 PM
Yes we are seperate. Don't think for a minute that Rahm won't use the state as a starting point when he fucks with our pensions though. He told the firemen that they need to learn how to bleed.
This slimy, arrogant, egotistical, evil prick will try and fuck with our pensions even more than Madigan is proposing for state workers.
What a sad comment on the Judicial System. They can't find a few judges to be impartial to a question of law. The politicians in Springfield have to bribe all of them by not diminishing their pension. Madigan already is predicting that his Bill will pass judicial review. This is a great civics lesson in Illinois politics. Glad I moved out.
Anonymous said...
Fran Hurley and Billy "the do what I'm told" Cunningham voted for a bill that saves the state over 1 billion immediately with none of the current savings going back into the system to help fund the systems better. Great Job Beverly! Keep electing O'Shea's people. Let us not forget all the teachers he sold out. Everyone except a few friends at the AG.
5/04/2013 03:28:00 PM
Right,that why Madigan keeps getting reelected.
Shields Capparelli Thx Nice BS
screwed again
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