Back to the Way it Was
- Eighteen-year-olds will be able to take the Chicago Police Department exam under a change designed to increase the pool of eligible applicants and boost diversity, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.
In 2010, then-Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis raised the application age from 21 to 25 to attract a more mature crop of officers.
But Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy has decided to drop the application age to 18 and set the age to become an officer at 21 — the minimum hiring age in other major cities, like New York and Los Angeles. Applicants can take the police exam in New York at age 17 ½ and at 20 ½ in Los Angeles.
Weis probably figured since he never saw any young FBI agents, that they must have matriculated, fully grown, well seasoned and worldly experienced from the secret FBI recruiting farms. Nobody told him that a sizable percentage of the FBI is made up of former cops who got hired somewhere else, then looked to expand or advance their career credentials by spending some time with the federal government. That would be very typical thinking by Weis that the provincials out in the sticks don't really amount for much.
As pointed out here years ago, who would want to go to four years of college, start a career for three years (seven years if you skipped the college) before even being eligible to be hired by Chicago, and then be subject to the political whims of the likes of Weis? And more than likely, for a cut in pay?
Of course, Ladner will fuck this up, too.
As pointed out here years ago, who would want to go to four years of college, start a career for three years (seven years if you skipped the college) before even being eligible to be hired by Chicago, and then be subject to the political whims of the likes of Weis? And more than likely, for a cut in pay?
Of course, Ladner will fuck this up, too.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
52 Comments:
Off topic,.i apologize....
Just noticed today, that its been about two weeks since i saw one of tbose cpd stars in the obits, and i think i only saw one cfd....
Lets hope this continues......
I apologize if i missed one or two, just a general observation.....
Police children need not apply!
Veterans need not apply!
White males need not apply!
-Tracy Ladner
I like the part where Weis commented about how he would like a "real screening test", not one with a 93% passing rate.
Nice idea but it will never ever fly.
The written test has to be so simple so that the "socially disadvantaged" can pass it.
Otherwise the test will be considered racist.
Came on when I was 20. Exam given every month. New classes started every week. Oh yeah, I was drafted when I was 18 and sent over the pond. I was pretty grown up when I was hired.
Don't forget the new minimum age of retirement is 55, so you can leave but you can't collect for 34 years if you get on young.
Plenty of Feebs who were something other than cops.
Hell, CPD could try becoming a destination department for laterals. Of course, they'd probably need to quit fvcking with the pension and I wouldn't come back to Chicago unless the job let me live in Indiana.
It's interesting that you have alot of Police Departments for instance in the Northwest suburbs that require a four year degree. They have no problem attracting quality applicants. They pay well, equip and train their personnel professionally....Guess this shows how hard up CPD is, now we are taking kids fresh out of high school...that is if they finnish. Guess a GED would be enough..
Once they come on the job, can they still get promoted even though they might be a moron but with heavy connections? That is the important part, if they still can get merit promoted once or multiple times. The sooner a Son of a Supervisor is hired, the sooner he is promoted and can move on up the ladder.
Ok fine,but why give CPS school graduates preference? They are playing games once again.
"Eighteen-year-olds will be able to take the Chicago Police Department exam under a change designed to increase the pool of eligible applicants and boost diversity, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned."
If this "diversity" turns out to be products of the CPS educational system, there's a good chance we'll be seeing anywhere from 7th to 12th grade "students" applying.
"...that is if they Finnish..."
Why give someone from Finland preference?
The new pension for new hires is simply not competitive. 35 years for a pension with no COLA, no healthcare and a salary cap. Of course we will get applicants, however the best and wise candidates will go elsewhere. The ISP, Suburbs, NYPD, LAPD all have far superior systems.
To all the 4 year degree goofs. Your smart papers don't mean a damn thing on this job. It only means that you are a better ass kisser.
Are they going to wave the college requirement. I was a senior in high school when the ass hole raised the age limit I was so happy that my dream will come true soon ill be able to take the test after I graduate than the age want up it put me down I want straight to college but than dropped out to get a job and help support my family. I am currently a student now at Richard J. Daley college. Is it true preferences for cps graduate I want to cps my whole life that would be awesome. I hope someone with the right answer can respond to me
It's interesting that you have alot of Police Departments for instance in the Northwest suburbs that require a four year degree. They have no problem attracting quality applicants. They pay well, equip and train their personnel professionally....Guess this shows how hard up CPD is, now we are taking kids fresh out of high school...that is if they finnish. Guess a GED would be enough..
7/06/2013 01:20:00 AM
Well of course, everyone on the blog tells interested people to go to the burbs.
I thought diversity was an old, old wooden boat.
Ok fine,but why give CPS school graduates preference? They are playing games once again.
7/06/2013 03:15:00 AM
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That is how the city will get it's "numbers" so they can avoid lawsuits that there are not enough minority hires.
Smart move on there part however let's see how the crop of morons look like in about 10 to 15 years when they are getting fired and/or indicted.
Anonymous said...
Don't forget the new minimum age of retirement is 55, so you can leave but you can't collect for 34 years if you get on young.
7/06/2013 12:50:00 AM
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Not true. From the Pension Board website:
The Annuity will be effective on your 50th birthday. Application for your annuity must be made at least two (2) months prior to your 50th birthday to ensure timely payment. If your application is filed after your attainment of age 50, the annuity becomes effective the date the application was made.
Did you also notice if your a cps grad you get extra points, same points as a soldier who served our country! Nice so I guess in Chirac it's the same as serving in the armed services! Talk about a bunch of bullshit! McCarthy was on the radio explaining the 18 year old fiasco as "we need more diversity on Cpd" look around we have enough diversity on the department is this a code word of the black revs wanting more of their flock on the job?
it used to be for highland park one out of every hundred applicants or so i was told once long ago supposedly very ridgid
This is a wrong move, I was a police cadet back in the late 60's, they then gave a test every month, and classes were filled with police cadets who at least knew something about the job, many of these guys got drafted and went to Nam, they came back men, I wwould say if you have military then 21 yrs old is OK to become a Cop, but we all see these kids these days, no responsibility, even our young new breed cops these days have SHIT attiudes, fuck up cars royal and have no respect, Just wait until these kids address you bosses as DUDE, bad move, bad move, bad move.
Off topic,.i apologize....
Just noticed today, that its been about two weeks since i saw one of tbose cpd stars in the obits, and i think i only saw one cfd....
Lets hope this continues......
I apologize if i missed one or two, just a general observation
Just had a f po commit suicide in 008 Nothing has been in the papers or blogs or FOP dead notice website
it's all about professionalism, competence, intelligence, and integrity, and it starts at the top (with the mayor and the supt.)....if it's not there, and here, it is not....then what the city hires reflects the "top"....
I have been training officers for twenty years.
I have found that the younger officer (under 27) was more problematic.
Meaning, more instances of drunken stupidity, immaturity issues and a failure to recognize domestic related issues.
30 years ago a man matured by 21 today it is more like 30.
Anonymous said...
Off topic,.i apologize....
Just noticed today, that its been about two weeks since i saw one of tbose cpd stars in the obits, and i think i only saw one cfd....
Lets hope this continues......
I apologize if i missed one or two, just a general observation.....
7/06/2013 12:11:00 AM
ONE IN THERE AS OF THIS WEEK... SUICIDE...PLEASE talk to someone if you are having problems before you put the gun to your head
The Fish [CPD] has rotted from the Head [City Hall] on Down. It will never be any good anymore. Just another Politically Correct Joke.
Don't forget the new minimum age of retirement is 55, so you can leave but you can't collect for 34 years if you get on young.
7/06/2013 12:50:00 AM
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Not true. From the Pension Board website:
The Annuity will be effective on your 50th birthday. Application for your annuity must be made at least two (2) months prior to your 50th birthday to ensure timely payment. If your application is filed after your attainment of age 50, the annuity becomes effective the date the application was made.
You are wrong on this Effective January 1, 2011 ALL NEW HIRES will not be able to retire until they turn 55 They also changed the formula for the new hires to the last 8 years, not the current 4 years when averaging pay for the pension
Lets hope this continues......
I apologize if i missed one or two, just a general observation
Just had a f po commit suicide in 008 Nothing has been in the papers or blogs or FOP dead notice website
7/06/2013 11:41:00 AM
There have been at least three comments on this blog about the suicide. Yours makes four.
Maybe people are being decent enough not to air private anguish on a public blog. Go see what you can do for the family instead of whining about 'no posts' here.
Don't forget the new minimum age of retirement is 55, so you can leave but you can't collect for 34 years if you get on young.
7/06/2013 12:50:00 AM
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Not true. From the Pension Board website:
Unfortunately it is true for new po's hired after Jan 1, 2011. House bill 3813 states you have to retire at 55 or be penalized for every month before. When I came on it was 59 with a penalty for early retirement,but 3813 changed all that. Any FOP website was not referring to new po's
The following is from HB3813 which spells it out and includes the last 8 years averaging instead of 4. Only included the 5 or so pertinent paragraphs
Don't forget the new minimum age of retirement is 55, so you can leave but you can't collect for 34 years if you get on young.
7/06/2013 12:50:00 AM
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Not true. From the Pension Board website:
d) Notwithstanding any other provision of this Article,
the provisions of this subsection (d) apply to a person who is
not a participant in the self-managed plan under Section
3-109.3 and who first becomes a police officer under this
Article on or after January 1, 2011.
A police officer age 55 or more who has 10 or more years of
service in that capacity shall be entitled at his option to
receive a monthly pension for his service as a police officer
computed by multiplying 2.5% for each year of such service by
his or her final average salary.
The pension of a police officer who is retiring after
attaining age 50 with 10 or more years of creditable service
shall be reduced by one-half of 1% for each month that the
police officer's age is under age 55.
The maximum pension under this subsection (d) shall be 75%
of final average salary.
For the purposes of this subsection (d), "final average
salary" means the average monthly salary obtained by dividing
the total salary of the police officer during the 96
consecutive months of service within the last 120 months of
service in which the total salary was the highest by the number
of months of service in that period.
Beginning on January 1, 2011, for all purposes under this
Code (including without limitation the calculation of benefits
and employee contributions), the annual salary based on the
plan year of a member or participant to whom this Section
applies shall not exceed $106,800; however, that amount shall
annually thereafter be increased by the lesser of (i) 3% of
that amount, including all previous adjustments, or (ii)
one-half the annual unadjusted percentage increase (but not
less than zero) in the consumer price index-u for the 12 months
ending with the September preceding each November
James Mose said...
Are they going to wave the college requirement. I was a senior in high school when the ass hole raised the age limit I was so happy that my dream will come true soon ill be able to take the test after I graduate than the age want up it put me down I want straight to college but than dropped out to get a job and help support my family. I am currently a student now at Richard J. Daley college. Is it true preferences for cps graduate I want to cps my whole life that would be awesome. I hope someone with the right answer can respond to me.
THIS is what you can expect coming on the job in the very near future, folks. Sounds like supervisor material with that grasp of the English language and punctuation skills.
I am a suburban cop and love it. If everyone in Chicago is so unhappy, why do the Chicago police always ask a suburban cop "When are you coming to Chicago to become the real police?" I just laugh because they do not know how good we have it. Oh and I also forgot, no widows pension,the spouse continues to collect the full pension.
Don't forget the new minimum age of retirement is 55, so you can leave but you can't collect for 34 years if you get on young.
7/06/2013 12:50:00 AM
______________________
Not true. From the Pension Board website:
The Annuity will be effective on your 50th birthday. Application for your annuity must be made at least two (2) months prior to your 50th birthday to ensure timely payment. If your application is filed after your attainment of age 50, the annuity becomes effective the date the application was made.
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NOPE
Tier 2 employees hired after 01 Jan 2011 must wait til' age 55.
Pension maxed at $106.000 @ year
Pension is based on the highest 8 out of the last 10 years NOT the highest 4 out of the last 10 years like "Tier 1" employees have now.
I NEVER understood all the Weis hate. Yeah, yeah, yeah he fucked Cozzi. Please show me a Super that hasnt fucked the PO's, go ahead I'll wait. I guess McBushmills is better right? BWHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAA!!!
Hope for a full and speedy recovery for retired LT James Carroll. Your in our thoughts!
7:29 PM
It goes beyond the fact that "convicted felon" Bill Cozzi may be forced onto the welfare rolls.
Listen to this YouTube audio tape:
INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF: J-FLED IS A LYING COWARD. --in his own words. GOTCHA!
Cowardice and leadership are mutually exclusive. If you disagree, explain. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
I'd take a phony McCarthy over that despicable muthafuckin' J-FLED in a heartbeat.
Capiche?
This is proof that Rahm & company are not serious
in controlling crime.
Another quake theory proposed by the social workers
and liberals from Norhtbrook and the North Shore Liberals.
The "average student" of H.S, level in the CPS
has the equivalent aptitude of a 6th grade student;
maybe.
Another failure in the works for Rahm and the Liberal est.
Anonymous said...
To all the 4 year degree goofs. Your smart papers don't mean a damn thing on this job. It only means that you are a better ass kisser.
7/06/2013 06:39:00 AM
You bitter and jealous types are just ridiculous. I'm a cop with a master's degree, the son of a cop with no degree. I got a friend I grew up with, same story. Any moron knows that school and degrees do not make you smart. That same moron also knows that 20 years of pushing a beat car don't make you a leader or a great cop. Some guys have decades of experience but can't lead to save their lives. Some got college degrees but can't find when/where to apply what they learned. You'd think joes would look forward to the days when young guys had the whole package because it will benefit the department as they develop, namely the guys under them. I didn't even learn leadership being the police. That came from the military and they push education there. I've always encouraged my guys under me to take it one step further. I can get hurt on this job, God forbid, and still bring home money off of it by teaching law enforcement classes at a community college etc. Most of the bosses you complain about and the people who can actually make decisions that affect day to day police work have those "smart papers." I'd rather get them and try but fail to make changes than never get them and just complain about what other people (bosses, supt, Rahm) are doing to me. Wait?!?!?!? Isn't that the gimme, entitlement, welfare mindset we're always talking about, where self-development and self-initiative is discouraged. See, you think just like the people you lock up.
11:28 and 3:14 I agree...
I came on the job at 29. The kids in the academy with me were just that to me...kids. I understood the value of the benefits, the pension and what it meant to my kids and wife. Many of them had yet to move out of their parents house for the first time. Had I became to the police 8 years earlier at 21, even with military and college...I don't think it would have been pretty.
It's interesting that you have alot of Police Departments for instance in the Northwest suburbs that require a four year degree. They have no problem attracting quality applicants. They pay well, equip and train their personnel professionally....Guess this shows how hard up CPD is, now we are taking kids fresh out of high school...that is if they finnish. Guess a GED would be enough..
7/06/2013 01:20:00 AM
No idiot! Shitcago is a big city cesspool for police officers who don't mind sticking their head in piles of garbage every day. It is a different job then the northwest suburbs, which have one opening for 50 applicants and in some areas clout is a must. Here at least you have a fair chance of getting hired.
And just so you know a four year degree does not make you qualified to do anything but spend daddy's money.
Speaking of Finnish it's spelled with one n...congrats on your GED.
Anonymous said...
The new pension for new hires is simply not competitive. 35 years for a pension with no COLA, no healthcare and a salary cap. Of course we will get applicants, however the best and wise candidates will go elsewhere. The ISP, Suburbs, NYPD, LAPD all have far superior systems.
7/06/2013 06:23:00 AM
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Did I miss something?
Has Rahm already changed the pension plan?
NO
So stop spreading this BS
Nothing has changed and new hires have the same pension plan that the rest of us have.
Anonymous said...
The "average student" of H.S, level in the CPS
has the equivalent aptitude of a 6th grade student;
maybe.
Another failure in the works for Rahm and the Liberal est.
7/07/2013 03:06:00 AM
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When Harold Washington College was involved with training at the Academy, they used to give a test to all new hires. It was called the Nelson/Denny test.
That test guaged the reading and comprehension levels of the recuits.
The low end of the scale was 2.8 grade level and the high end was grade 16.
As I recall, most recruits would score about the 8/9th grade level. Of course there were always (with every test) those that scored a bit higher and lower but no one ever scored at a 16 grade level.
So, even all those years ago the CPD did not get the brightest recruits.
Anonymous said...
The "average student" of H.S, level in the CPS
has the equivalent aptitude of a 6th grade student;
maybe.
Another failure in the works for Rahm and the Liberal est.
7/07/2013 03:06:00 AM
I guess the tuition your parents spent on your private education panned out for you,huh? Since you're so smart go apply to a department that is seeking an erudite person such as yourself. Goof!
Anonymous said...
James Mose said...
Are they going to wave the college requirement. I was a senior in high school when the ass hole raised the age limit I was so happy that my dream will come true soon ill be able to take the test after I graduate than the age want up it put me down I want straight to college but than dropped out to get a job and help support my family. I am currently a student now at Richard J. Daley college. Is it true preferences for cps graduate I want to cps my whole life that would be awesome. I hope someone with the right answer can respond to me.
THIS is what you can expect coming on the job in the very near future, folks. Sounds like supervisor material with that grasp of the English language and punctuation skills.
7/06/2013 06:36:00 PM
I truly hope that is sarcasm being displayed. If not the CPD is in big trouble.
J-Fled at 7:29 pm
FUCK YOU!
To all the 4 year degree goofs. Your smart papers don't mean a damn thing on this job. It only means that you are a better ass kisser.
4 year degree goofs? So I take It if you have children your not sending them for a 4 year goof degree.
Anonymous said...
I am a suburban cop and love it. If everyone in Chicago is so unhappy, why do the Chicago police always ask a suburban cop "When are you coming to Chicago to become the real police?" I just laugh because they do not know how good we have it. Oh and I also forgot, no widows pension,the spouse continues to collect the full pension.
7/06/2013 06:57:00 PM
Also, don't forget the added benefit of never being promoted regardless of education or time spent on the job due to the fact you little village guys stay in grade forever until they retire.
Then ONE guy get's promoted, who then keeps that job for the next 15 years.
While you may not have as much political hatred to deal with where you work, the odds of being the guy who gets promoted on a 30 or even 100 man department are far and few between.
Other than that I'm sure the burbs are a great place to push a beat car.
For those of you crying about the CPS graduate preferential treatment, this is not new with the City. If you kept abreast of what is going on in the City you would know this was enacted a while back. I am a CPS graduate and take offense to the notion that all CPS graduates are basically illiterate. I have passed two promotional exams and been promoted based on my high test scores. There are plenty of CPS success stories, unfortunately they are never talked about.........
The question is can someone become mayor at 21? Do you even have to live in the city to become mayor of Chicago?
America
How is Cozzi and what is he doing now?
To everyone that's hating on young adults.I am a twenty one year old about to turn twenty two.I am very responsible I pay all of my own bills mommy and daddy can't afford to help me, if I could afford it I would love to live on my own but I can't.I don't drink or do drugs I've been wanting to be a Chicago police officer since I was five.I know what responsibility means and respect so don't hate on every young adult not everyone of us is a young asshole
....so don't hate on every young adult not everyone of us is a young asshole
7/08/2013 03:10:00 PM
a wise child's goal is to grow to adulthood without becoming an asshole.
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