Aldercreature Pushes for Retro
- A Northwest Side alderman whose ward is home to scores of Chicago Police officers urged Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday not to use a paperwork mistake made by the police union president to deny rank-and-file police officers their automatic right to a retroactive pay raise in 2012.
Ald. Mary O’Connor (41st) said she introduced the resolution at a City Council meeting in response to concerns voiced by police officers who have called her office and stopped her on the street.
“People feel there’s a rift between the mayor and the FOP president and they’re caught in the crossfire,” O’Connor said Wednesday.
“The perception out there is that they are going to lose income because of a deadline that was missed. That should not be the case. It’s a clerical error made by their representative, but it impacts 10,000 police officers. It has an impact on their livelihood and their families. That would not be fair to the police.”
Now if we could only get 25 more aldercreatures to vote for this, we might get somewhere.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
164 Comments:
No matter what Mike Shields made the biggest mistake ever possible by not getting this done right. Thank you Alderman O'Conner
It's also co sponsored by O'Shea of the 19th, Cullerton, and Zalewski 22 more to go for simple majority
O'Shea, O'Connor, Cullerton and Zalewski co-signed this resolution. So, now the vote's at 46-4. Start calling your aldermen, all of them, and encourage them to stand up for us.
You folks in Boystown, now's the time to light up Tunney's phone lines.
OT: Thanks to the aldermen, citizens and merchants who saw the sense in NOT changing the name of Stony Island. Has common sense begun to invade our city?! Maybe there's hope, after all.
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it. The FOP president needs to learn to pay attention to detail. It isn't like the mayor doesn't need the money for other worthy purposes. He has a city to run. Instead of the retro pay coming out of City funds, it should either be written off, or the FOP should pay it out of union funds. It was the FOP's and union's screw up that caused the lose.
Sounds like we should be negotiating with the aldermen of the City Council on a new contract. Fuck Rahm. For the first time in recent memory, someone in City government is saying something that makes sense.
OT: If Tom Lemmer was called to the superintendents office, good for him. He should be a commander. Well deserved!
One alderman out of 50? Doesn't any of the other ones believe in fair play? In honor and integrity?
What about Ed Burke? No allegiance to "fellow" police officers? Willie Cochran?
Sad.
If it is explained as a clerical error, wouldn't people be rushing to correct it? Why all the drama?
Funny how this doesn't get played on the news as much as the "beating of the bartender" or the "fireman dancing at a party".
With no voice of fair play or sense of integrity to correct an issue, sounds like we don't need 50 aldermen to make decisions. Cut them back to 25 - or even 20 - and you'll have more than enough money to pay police and even hire a couple more. Issue solved.
Doesn't anyone in Chicago have common sense anymore? Maybe the bigger question would be - Did they ever?
Next case.
Oh, Rahm will give us retro, but we will pay dearly for it in the form of giving back a big benefit. Make no mistake we will lose something. Thanks Shields! Just make sure to vote for anyone but him.
please stop ! how far away is the next election. that would be the only reason she did this.
I care more about health care and pension than retro. Retro would be great as long as nothing is given up for it.
Off topic: Learned someone recorded a board meeting and posted it on YouTube. Not a fan of Mike but this is not good. We can't give Rahm any more ammo.
Calling her aldercreature is not going to help our cause. We have an alderman who is willing to fight our cause, maybe she should get the respect she deserves. It's true we are our worst enemy.
I'm a producer with WGN Radio News. I'd like to talk more about this story. I've also left a msg for Ald. O'Connor and Mayor Emanuel.
If you'd like to comment - or just educate me a bit more on the details, please call me at 312-222-4730, or my cell 815-814-4952. Vic Vaughn.
Arena is on board too. Thanks to these Aldermen for a little common sense.
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it.
Oh, you mean like the parking meter deal? Grant it, that deal was inked during the Shortshanks regime but how many times has the city gone back into court to "re-negotiate"?
where's balcer? standup for the troops!
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it. The FOP president needs to learn to pay attention to detail. It isn't like the mayor doesn't need the money for other worthy purposes. He has a city to run. Instead of the retro pay coming out of City funds, it should either be written off, or the FOP should pay it out of union funds. It was the FOP's and union's screw up that caused the lose.
10/17/2013 01:06:00 AM
You're right. The mayor has parks, private stadiums, and bike lanes to build.
I am sure we can count on Sposado (CFD Lieutenant).
For me, my support would hinge on the need to be fair. I would be happy to sign on to this resolution as well. I know others who would also agree.
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it. The FOP president needs to learn to pay attention to detail. It isn't like the mayor doesn't need the money for other worthy purposes. He has a city to run. Instead of the retro pay coming out of City funds, it should either be written off, or the FOP should pay it out of union funds. It was the FOP's and union's screw up that caused the lose.
10/17/2013 01:06:00
Union funds.... What are you smoking ? Where do yah think these union fund come from .
I'm sure Nick Sposato (36th) will vote for it. He's a lame duck alderman and a CFD (on leave)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: If Tom Lemmer was called to the superintendents office, good for him. He should be a commander. Well deserved!
10/17/2013 02:34:00 AM
Mr. Pink for Commander? Smart but petty and micromanaging. God help whatever District gets him. He is not a leader of men. He is better suited for an office job where he does not need to interact with working police.
Yeah, start calling them and tell them you will not vote for them!
Get rid of Shields!!!!
This entire "resolution" was politically orchestrated by Rahm. He is throwing O'Connor a carrot. Rahm is mandated by law to negotiate in good faith and could not hold back our pay. He KNOWS this. The ironworkers were in the same situation and Rahm had to pay them (the huge campaign contributions didn't hurt, either). He knows he could not do this for the ironworkers and not for us. Wake up. Rahm is having problems with numbers at the polls. He can't afford to piss off any more unions, who get out the vote for him.
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it. The FOP president needs to learn to pay attention to detail. It isn't like the mayor doesn't need the money for other worthy purposes. He has a city to run. Instead of the retro pay coming out of City funds, it should either be written off, or the FOP should pay it out of union funds. It was the FOP's and union's screw up that caused the lose.
a citizen no doubt....the city has PLENTY of money you idiot, it spends on what it feels like, like the$50 million dollar statdium for a losing college team, remember? its broke when it feels like being broke, moron..
The FOP is in contract negotiations and is seeking the help of an alderman ? The alderman are on the same side as the Mayor.In negotiations everything comes with a price. What will Shields and the FOP Board give up to ensure their political futures ?
I was at the FOP meeting last month when a lot of people showed up. Sure Mike Shields made a huge mistake. But so did the rest of the board. Why didn't they take action? Why didn't they give the letter to Mike Shields and have him sign it and then mail it in?
They are all playing games and ALL OF THEM DESERVE TO BE KICKED OUT COME ELECTION TIME. It's not just one guy, it's all of them.
lemmer should be a district commander , he motivates the lazy coppers
Nothing but a PR stunt on her part. She's worried about the
next election. She has rubber stamped everything else
Rahm has rammed through the CC.
Democrat. Enough said.
Hats off to everyone who voted for shields. Hope your enjoying your cool little field notebooks he handed out at roll call.
Rahm gave the nod to the aldercreatures to put forth the resolution because he knew he couldn't get away with holding back retro, politically. Rahm is using this to HIS benefit. O'Connor caught this bone, for sure.
Mikey is in the top spot so he has to take the wrap. But what about those under him? Ya know, the guys that have been there for 10+ years and have been through contract negotiations before! No one of them could have said "hey Mike you drop that very important letter in the mail?" Of course not cause Mikey isn't one of them. The FOP board is not much different than city hall... It's all about self preservation rather than the representation of its officers. Scumbags!
In the words of Dan Dugan "When will this experiment end?" Please Mike tell us your done.
Having retired as a sgt. over 10 years ago I do not have a horse in this race, but,although shields is the president and is held accountable for "the letter", what about the other officers/leaders (sic) of fop (dougherty, di maria, aguilar, etc.) who have been on the fop gravy train for years, and who should have some blame in this oversight. What about donahue, is he not paid by fop as a lobbyist. How about a little mentoring, mike?
When I go to the fop website, I see the 3 past presidents of fop, all who have sold us down the river, one way or another. example, gee, the city ONLY wants you to pay $2.00 a check for health insurance.
Maybe If the elected officers of fop maintained their grade pay, D1, D2, they would have a better feel for what the membership needs are.
How many past president have returned to the job when their terms ended? Going back to the COP days, George head is the only one I can think of.
Calling her aldercreature is not going to help our cause. We have an alderman who is willing to fight our cause, maybe she should get the respect she deserves. It's true we are our worst enemy.
She is in Rahms back pocket. Once we get the retro and a fair contract. MAYBE just MAYBE I would consider voting for her.
@2:34 PM. If Tom Leamer got called to the superintendent's office, it is a sign of everything that is wrong in this department. We are at a point where we have ran out of people to promote and are now throwing shit against the wall to see what will stick. Ask anybody who has worked for this micromanager how demoralizing it is. The fact it took this number crunching geek so long to move up shows you how he is viewed by his fellow bosses. He is the perfect boss to turn loose on us by a department that hates us. To bad because his father was a good man.
I am sure Ald. O'Connor asked for Tiny Dancer's permission before bringing this up. From what I have heard from those that deal with her on a regular basis is that she is virtually useless as an alderperson.
If the police and fire fighter ever get a unified front she will need then to retain her fiefdom.
This from the same aldercreature that allowed all the section 8 into her ward?!
The truth of the matter is most people do not care about union raises based on contracts and not merit. So, try another angle and state you have earned this on top of all other pay. Most have earned it, so just state your case.
Nice compliment from a few alderscum, but I just don't see this working.
Thanks anyway.
Over heard on every corner in 011 F da po po ..and also heard in mayors office go figure
Anonymous said...
OT: If Tom Lemmer was called to the superintendents office, good for him. He should be a commander. Well deserved!
10/17/2013 02:34:00 AM
Bwaaa ha ha ha ha!!!!! Now THAT'S funny!!!!
Stay off the blog, Lemonhead.
It's a non-binding resolution, folks. A "feel good" move to win a few votes. Means nothing. And smells like something tiny dancer cooked up with O'Conner to get them both re-elected.
Rahm will offer back pay in exchange for the FOP dropping it's residency stipend proposal. Bet on it.
It politics boys. O'Conner/Dem machine doesn't want to run against a police officer that is "social-progressive" in the 41st ward. That's the reality of focus group results.
OT but interesting -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385789/Longest-serving-policeman-retiring-47-years-says-officers-today-TWICE-work.html
Enjoy.
Forget it, you'll never see a retro check. She's just saying that for re-election purposes.
Well it is about time that O'Connor did something other than run movies in the park, seminars about recycling, and sponsoring fests in the park. The 41st Ward is reeling under Rahm, trees that need cutting, sreet lights that are not working, the area is infested with skunks raccoons and the like. All her office tells complainers is that the city budget is tight. The ward is starting to go to hell! Her true test ail be her response to the new landing strip at Ohare. Noise was bad before this new Daley sponsored boondoggle , now it will be unbearable. Ald., thanks for the action on the Retro issue, lets see if you will lead on other issues that are even more important to your job security.
Thank you Alderman O'Connor for stepping up!
to 1.06am,,,Rahmmie has set a precedence with clerical errors, two city unions did something to prevent them getting retro and he paid it anyways.
Even though Ms O'Connor did this act, I'm still not going to vote for her when she stands for election again.
Alderman O'Conner is correct...The rank and file should not suffer due to a clerical error. The City should do the right thing...but when have they?
19th Ward Ald O'Shea sent out email supporting CPD getting retro also.
Off topic: Learned someone recorded a board meeting and posted it on YouTube. Not a fan of Mike but this is not good. We can't give Rahm any more ammo.
It's on you tube. It's titled "FOP Special Board Meeting 26Sep13 part 2 the votes". Actually kind of amusing to listen to. What a dysfunctional group of people.
This is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOQ5id2guZ4
have to wonder what she is up to.
this being chicago it is doubtful she came up with this idea on her own.
You guys are actually dumber than I thought possible you believe all this b.s. We will get retro because Rahm will use it to bargain and all you check to check morons will sign anything to put a few thousand in your pocket. No foresight, no loyalty, and no financial discipline that should be are motto.
Whether you like Tom Lemmer or not, (I personally do), he is harder working and more competent than the vast majority of Commanders on this job now.
If retro does not happen, blame Shields. Especially after Donahue and the previous regime told him what to do. I still wonder is he is that stupid, or is he in Rahm's back pocket? Anyway, hope people wake up and vote him out.
O Conner is a goof....kiss of death for us.
Rham wants our medical gone and our duty availability then he will give us our paltry retro checks...otherwise chalk it up to a loss... If we give up ANYTHING for a measly $1000-2000 we are fucking stupid!! Shields fucked up..plain and simple move on. He got the better end of the deal, maybe got his mortgage paid off? Got a new car? Kids college fund.. Whatever.... Move along
OT
A lot of people died/murdered today.
One guy from June
2 guys from Roseland
1 guy robbed, driven to County
I guy shot in Pilsen but alive I think
Too many will side wit Rahm. Fat chance.
Anonymous said...OT: If Tom Lemmer was called to the superintendents office, good for him. He should be a commander. Well deserved
Lemmer is a pud. Deserved in what way? He worked in 009 and never drove south of 39th st. Then he went around the country and pulled everyone's pants down about how he was a gang expert. Maybe of the Kings on Morgan.
Then Cline promotes him. We all know about Cline's promotions.
Trust me. If he becomes your Commander you wont like it.
Everyone start calling their alderman too and tell them to join in or not be re-elected.
Maybe you can start by changing your title from"Aldercreature" to Alderwoman" ..Give the Alderwoman her due respect for helping us out!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it. The FOP president needs to learn to pay attention to detail. It isn't like the mayor doesn't need the money for other worthy purposes. He has a city to run. Instead of the retro pay coming out of City funds, it should either be written off, or the FOP should pay it out of union funds. It was the FOP's and union's screw up that caused the lose.
10/17/2013 01:06:00 AM
And sometimes an error is forgivable.
Try hard to remember how loved and needed and appreciated we were during NATO. Try hard to feel that moment, after you called 911, when you see the reflection of blue lights off the windows down the block, and that car comes screaming to your rescue.
Try hard to be a decent human being.
Where's "Z"? Alderman Zalewski grow some balls, you spineless coward!
She is a genius considering 4000 Cpd live in 016.
Forget retro, we need spackle in mass transit to fill the bullet holes in the tact office.
M. Quinn 13th ward related that he can't support it at this time. Really?
This sounds like something out of rhambos playbook, stick up for the little guys and knowing theres no way to even get the number of votes needed. then say I tried fellas as she smiles for the cameras. priceless. which shows why we have so many aldercreatures. Thanking a alderman is like thanking a car dealership, yes you just got played if your saying 48-1.
OT: If Tom Lemmer was called to the superintendents office, good for him. He should be a commander. Well deserved!
10/17/2013 02:34:00 AM
You obviously have never worked for this guy. What a micro-managing vindictive jagoff! I went from the ghetto to 023 where he was watch commander. This guy made life so miserable in what should have been a nice district that I bid BACK to the ghetto. Screw him.
All the KINGS MEN cannot put it back together again.. Goodbye Mike ... Need new blood.....
Yeah, Burke was a Police Officer, if you count reading law books in some office while collecting a city check.
Then yeah, I guess he was.
I need my retro to pay for my kids tuition!! Can't send my kids to the public school because it sucks!!
Thank You Mary O'Connor.
At least there is someone standing up for us. That's a real treat. Unfortunately she will be called a racist mandatory gun crime sentences. Let's all just forget about her trying to get all races of officers what they rightfully deserve. Amerikuh.
don't say ANYTHING bad about any alderman until this is resolved in our favor....
Reply to OT: Capt. TL was in 019/023, he is a micromanager BUT a fair person, where you could agree to disagree with him. Yes he is a true believer, and believes he's the smartest person on this job but you could certainly do worse. If you get made Tom, don't become an asshole , we have enough of them already.
O'Conner is only doing this because got elected not to rubber stamp everything obama oh sorry I meant everything rahm. Lol she has not voted against Rahm yet. She is doing this just so she can say look at me!. She sold out the Northwestside the moment she got elected.
4:02AM...Why would you want to give up any of your benefits for a 1 year retro? Fuck the 1 year of retro and hold the line.
Really, how do some of you run a household?
These scumbags pull this shit now in an pathetic attempt to make it look as though THEY gave the police something to negotiate against.
Sorry vermin, the courts will FORCE retro, we don't need your fake sympathy during election time. And we're not about to give up a damn thing for it either as you're trying to angle for, we're gonna get it WITHOUT your blessing or the rat fuck's either.
Mikey PINNICCHIO Shields and his entire board of officers should be removed. Their is no INTEGRITY among them. They are good about telling lies and spending our money on theselves.
Calling her aldercreature is not going to help our cause. We have an alderman who is willing to fight our cause, maybe she should get the respect she deserves. It's true we are our own worst enemy.
Very well said!
OT: If Tom Lemmer was called to the superintendents office, good for him. He should be a commander. Well deserved!
10/17/2013 02:34:00 AM
You're an idiot!!! lemmer couldn't find a gang member at a gang meeting. A shameless self promotor who's clout helped him. Never worked a district.
You mean the Aldercreatures over riding his holiness the Rhamfather?
Never happen.
I totally agree with above post, 0456am.
While i usually agree with you SCC, you dropped the ball on this one. Bashing an alderman who's trying to help us get our retro absolutely serves no purpose except to hurt our chances.
I agree that there are many hater "aldercreatures" taking up space in city counsel. But to bash the few who are actually trying to help us is a mistake.
Now many may say that the retro is "small potatoes" compared to the other issues on the table. I agree and we shouldn't let the retro be a bargaining chip. But if these aldermen want to try and get us our retro irregardless of negotiated terms of a new contract, so be it! And who couldn't use a few extra grand in this economy??
So please SCC, retract or at least re-title the post to throw the proverbial "olive branch" for your readers.
Seriously? She is sticking up for us and u are calling her a alder creature.... Unreal
49-1?? These alderthieves get yearly pay raises virtually automatically and 49 out of 50 agree with Rahm that we shouldn't get retro?
Cut those pricks in half and elect 25 new ones.
OT: If Tom Lemmer was called to the superintendents office, good for him. He should be a commander. Well deserved!
10/17/2013 02:34:00 AM
Surely you jest. Lemmer's one of the biggest strokes this job has to offer. He plateaued at patrolman.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I was at the FOP meeting last month when a lot of people showed up. Sure Mike Shields made a huge mistake. But so did the rest of the board. Why didn't they take action? Why didn't they give the letter to Mike Shields and have him sign it and then mail it in?
They are all playing games and ALL OF THEM DESERVE TO BE KICKED OUT COME ELECTION TIME. It's not just one guy, it's all of them.
10/17/2013 08:09:00 AM
Try that with your district commander sometime.
Are the alderfools calling a "cease-fire" in the media propaganda war against the Police and the good people who still need them?
Too little, too late...
Police and actual Policing have been rendered irrelevant in Chicago.
Priority items?
Bicycle lanes.
Bus rapid transit lanes.
Red light cameras.
Speed cameras.
Green Tech.
Infrastructure Trust.
Public/Private "Partnerships."
Et Cetera...
Ad Nauseam et Ad Infinitum...
"It's The Police who are the problem in Chicago."
she is retarded as is anyone you talk to at her office, what a bunch of bumbling idiots. this is a ploy to get re elected. it will work to people are stupid and keep re electing these morons!
Who is top ranking police official who quit instead of being fired? Paper says IG wanted him fired but guy was demoted then quit
Seriously? She is sticking up for us and u are calling her a alder creature.... Unreal
We've been calling them that and worse for 7 years now. Fuck em if they can't take it.
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While i usually agree with you SCC, you dropped the ball on this one. Bashing an alderman who's trying to help us get our retro absolutely serves no purpose except to hurt our chances.
I agree that there are many hater "aldercreatures" taking up space in city counsel. But to bash the few who are actually trying to help us is a mistake.
Now many may say that the retro is "small potatoes" compared to the other issues on the table. I agree and we shouldn't let the retro be a bargaining chip. But if these aldermen want to try and get us our retro irregardless of negotiated terms of a new contract, so be it! And who couldn't use a few extra grand in this economy??
So please SCC, retract or at least re-title the post to throw the proverbial "olive branch" for your readers.
A few grand? You're dreaming. The sergeants got 2% and an agreement that if the FOP or CFD Lt's got more, they'd get the difference. Therefore, it's money in the bank that no one will see anything over 2%. And 2% isn't a couple grand.
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It's a non-binding resolution, folks. A "feel good" move to win a few votes. Means nothing. And smells like something tiny dancer cooked up with O'Conner to get them both re-elected.
Exactly - and as someone else noted, can you point out a single instance of the aldercreature voting against anything Rahm wanted? We can't seem to find a single instance.
On a different and lighter note; Jesse Jr. Should be practicing is 'nekkid squats' about now.
Sorry vermin, the courts will FORCE retro, we don't need your fake sympathy during election time. And we're not about to give up a damn thing for it either as you're trying to angle for, we're gonna get it WITHOUT your blessing or the rat fuck's either.
Courts cant force the retro pay, especially if the FOP missed a required deadline. It was already ruled on that they missed the required deadline for the letter
High-ranking police official forced out after lying to IG under oath?
I need my retro to pay for my kids tuition!! Can't send my kids to the public school because it sucks!!
Hewars some news. Retro check isnt going to pay your kids tuition. 2% top raise and after the take out taxes, pension, etc you will be lucky to take your wife out for dinner and a movie
Just read a comment on the 41st ward blog, the resolution is non-binding? If that is true, it isn't worth the paper it is written on.
As far as the recording goes, it sounds immature. This could be avoided if shields just admit that he was in way over his head and to step down. Admit it you fu-ked up, not do the right thing and voluntarily step down.
A few grand? You're dreaming. The sergeants got 2% and an agreement that if the FOP or CFD Lt's got more, they'd get the difference. Therefore, it's money in the bank that no one will see anything over 2%. And 2% isn't a couple grand.
Sorry, have to disagree with you on this one. From July 2012 to lets say June 2014 (estimate for contract settlement) is over 4000 work hours. At 2% per year, someone with 10 years on the job is easily looking at 2 grand out the door. More if you've worked special and been checking the money box in court. And no, I'm not counting on retro.
The resolution divides you further. Be smart, like the teachers, stay together no matter what. Have your squabbles quietly in a bar, but NEVER let this evil mayor paly you with a "resolution" that makes you all look like fools.
We look like idiots supporting O'Connor. This is a measure to divide us. Don't thank her. It makes us look like fools.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where's "Z"? Alderman Zalewski grow some balls, you spineless coward!
10/17/2013 12:32:00 PM
Zalewski co-sponsored it.
To 2:47pm...boy are you one dumb person! I never said I wanted to give away anything in the post. Im against giving up anything we have gained over the years. I was talking about the cities bargining tactics. I have no idea where you got that. Learn how to comprehend when you read or stop drinking.
Anonymous said...
OT
A lot of people died/murdered today.
One guy from June
2 guys from Roseland
1 guy robbed, driven to County
I guy shot in Pilsen but alive I think
10/17/2013 11:29:00 AM
Let's see if they count them all.
Who's the highranking police official that lied?
High-ranking police official forced out after lying to IG under oath
http://www.suntimes.com/23204017-761/high-ranking-police-official-forced-out-after-lying-to-ig-under-oath.html
It looks like Mary O'Connor is worried about losing her cush aldercreature seat soon. People don't realize how pissed off coppers are about this slight.
lift residency after 7 yrs paycuts coming and pension reform screw this city,7 yrs keeps home values intact and tax base wake up!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I need my retro to pay for my kids tuition!! Can't send my kids to the public school because it sucks!!
10/17/2013 02:12:00 PM
Go to the credit union and get a loan.
What do you do with your special employment money? Pay for your BMW 5 series? Martini bars? Mistress? Love child? You need retro to pay tuition. You're funny.
O'Connor knows that she is in big trouble in the 41st Ward. If you think she has any use for the Police, you are sadly mistaken. She is a left wing liberal that was only elected because of a high vote total from Edgebrook nd the Circle. Tons of money was given to her from Rahm and through Pat O'Connor, so it wouldn't look like Rahm was supportating her. Their s already 7-8 people lining up to run against her. She will be kept under 50% , therefore a runoff. We need a good candidate, possibly a PO to run against her.
Oconnor is a asshole, never supported the Police till now. It's a bullshit move to make her look good.
Lets face it Mike f&@cked up. He cost us the retro. Rham won so why would he give us something we lost by our own fault. This is just more smoke and mirrors.
O/T: headline. 'CPS changing its promotion policy'. The testing is getting harder so they are reducing their failing %. Unbelievable.
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it. The FOP president needs to learn to pay attention to detail. It isn't like the mayor doesn't need the money for other worthy purposes. He has a city to run. Instead of the retro pay coming out of City funds, it should either be written off, or the FOP should pay it out of union funds. It was the FOP's and union's
screw up that caused the lose.
Your immense concern for my family's financial well being inspires me to be the best officer I can be.
I couldn't imagine the clusterfuck that would happen if sending a confirmation email stating that you were taking the sergeants test was required. I sent the confirmation email to the address provided the day I got it and I just got an email from HR today that I didn't send an email. Why am I not surprised this happened.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
O'Conner is only doing this because got elected not to rubber stamp everything obama oh sorry I meant everything rahm. Lol she has not voted against Rahm yet. She is doing this just so she can say look at me!. She sold out the Northwestside the moment she got elected.
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FYI: She voted against Rahm for the first time after I pointed out her action/inaction on the 41st ward citizens blog a few month ago. Check it out. Sorry I have to be anonymous, but NSA knows who I am anyway. As far as coppers go, they didn't back their own in the past elections. Donahue and Shields both... a big FU to honest coppers and America.
Said it here before. If the city gave all other union's retro, an arbitrator is not going to deny it for just one union. Rahm must have sanctioned this. It is Washington style politics and spin. Rahm sets it up to make both him and the other aldermen look like they are negotiating in good faith even beyond what is required of them, hoping to garner not only votes but the favor of the arbitrator down the line.
This mayor has proven again and again he cannot be trusted. He has millions of dollars for special projects, millions in surplus in the TIF's yet he cannot find any money to increase the cities contribution into its pension funds. In fact he is lobbying hard to re-negotiate the increase mandated in Springfield crying broke and telling Chicagoans they will see property tax increases of 50%.
If Rahm wanted to he could easily work out a solution for funding the pensions. Whether it be TIF monies, casino revenue, privatization of Midway, etc,
If these aldermen really respected their emergency responders they would work together to ensure we get the pensions we earned by starting to fund our pensions accordingly. We pay more into our pensions then teachers or politicians. And we are not eligible for Social Security.
Don't buy what their selling
>>>Anonymous said...
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it. The FOP president needs to learn to pay attention to detail. It isn't like the mayor doesn't need the money for other worthy purposes. He has a city to run. Instead of the retro pay coming out of City funds, it should either be written off, or the FOP should pay it out of union funds. It was the FOP's and union's
screw up that caused the lose.
Your immense concern for my family's financial well being inspires me to be the best officer I can be.
10/17/2013 09:15:00 PM<<<
WTF...The first paragraph is by a Rahm troll. If we were some Acorn Community Organization with our hand in the city till believe me they would be bending over to kiss our asses to make this error go away. Why? Because the Acorn or any Community ( or whatever you want to call them these days ) gets votes and in always behind Rahm at photo ops.
Cops on the other hand do not vote and if they did would not vote for Rahm and would be holding up two fingers behind his head at photo ops.
Register and VOTE!
Hey, just met Alderman O'Shea at a retirement party tonight and this guy is truly the real deal, he is a genuine friend of the police, has many police friends prior to becoming an alderman and I wishhe was my northwest side alderman, not like the phonies we have. only wanting to help you around election time, For your information he is one of the aldermen prepared to fight for our backpay AKA RETRO PAY !!!!
When someone you don't like does something right, thank them, publicly if possible.
Possitive reinforcement is how you get people to change their ways.
Who is top ranking police official who quit instead of being fired? Paper says IG wanted him fired but guy was demoted then quit
10/17/2013 04:34:00 PM
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Carothers....
EVERYONE knows that by now.
Now his brother is out of the federal pen and wants to run for a county board seat !!!
What made Mary O'Connor take down the sign n the window of her office concerning applying for LINK. Maybe all the phone calls to that liberal bitch about the sign.
>>>Anonymous said...
It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it.
Oh, you mean like the parking meter deal? Grant it, that deal was inked during the Shortshanks regime but how many times has the city gone back into court to "re-negotiate"?
10/17/2013 05:44:00 <<<
The Parking Meter Deal could be undone, BIG IF it were to be investigated criminally.
Our new U.S. States Attorney Mr. Fardon could grant certain politicians immunity and they would be asked if they took bribes to approve the deal.
Under immunity and oath they would have to tell the truth.
They took bribes!
Hey, we already know they're crooks.
Remember?
During the last protracted contract standstill?
Some aldercritters were joyously shit-talking on the blog with hints only those on the inside would have known.
"Fuck you coppers and your raises..."
They decided a long fucking time ago that it was ok to make war with the few people charged with maintaining some semblance of law and order in this God-Forsaken Potemkin Village built on a cemetery hewn out of a swamp called Chicago.
Meanwhile... The mouth-breathers in that bait car video along with their spawn and litter-mates are the kings and queens of this city.
By design...
Yep, lift residency for members with over 7 years. Housing market kept in tact and after a certain timeframe you have the choice to leave this cesspool..
I can honestly say that Cline was the worst thing to happen to this job. He promoted all FOP's, friends of Phil and they are and were horrible. His legacy will be the advancement of friends who had no business in positions of leadership since they were and never will be leaders. He was the final nail in the coffin which is now the CPD.
"It may not be nicey nice, but the Mayor is right. A mistake (error) is an error. If that error causes some cops to lose a little pay, so be it. The FOP president needs to learn to pay attention to detail. It isn't like the mayor doesn't need the money for other worthy purposes. He has a city to run. Instead of the retro pay coming out of City funds, it should either be written off, or the FOP should pay it out of union funds. It was the FOP's and union's screw up that caused the lose."
SUSH!!! The adults are talking.
Just a token resolution to make the 41st ward residents think she is looking out for them. She's all about movies
In our parks. Just a distraction while ROME burns.
She and Rahm have to be in bed together at some point
to get re-elected.. Democrats . Such a sad & disturbing
legacy in the last 70 years in Chcago.
To all you Shields supporters out there that are blaming everyone for Mikes decision not to send the letter, yes a conscious decision not to send the letter.
1. Mark Donahue the past president had 3 conversations concerning the letter with Mikey. His fourth conversation was with his secretary, who Mikey has since fired because she nagged the fuck out him to send the letter she prepared after speaking with Donahue.
2. Rich Aguilar had a conversation with Mikey and Mikey told him the letter was taken care of.
3. Mikey told the membership at a general meeting 1 week before the letter was due that it was taken care of and its in the minutes of the meeting.
Fuck all the loyal Shields supporters who voted with him and the supporters who say the entire FOP board is responsible. Mikey had one task to accomplish in his 3 year term and that was to get the letter in on time, if he had done that nobody would have known that he wasn't doing his job. He lied about knowing even though he told the membership it was taken care of what more proof do you need to concur that he failed to send the letter and lied to the membership to cover it up.
It looks like Mary O'Connor is worried about losing her cush aldercreature seat soon. People don't realize how pissed off coppers are about this slight
To bad so sad Mary. Didn't vote for you last time. Those I know that did said they won't vote for you again. You are Rahmy's puppet. Knock on my door and I will laugh at you.
We look like idiots supporting O'Connor. This is a measure to divide us. Don't thank her. It makes us look like fools.
Well said... Mary Oconyou is just another Rahm with a va jay jay;
If it means "Giving up Anything" to get the back pay "We Earned", especially after NATO, "You can Keep your Damn Money"! "You can Pay me Now... or Pay me Later, Your Choice" There's D.O.H well we can add another one... One I like to Call D.O.R "Day Off Retro"!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I need my retro to pay for my kids tuition!! Can't send my kids to the public school because it sucks!!
10/17/2013 02:12:00 PM
Go to the credit union and get a loan.
What do you do with your special employment money? Pay for your BMW 5 series? Martini bars? Mistress? Love child? You need retro to pay tuition. You're funny.
10/17/2013 08:02:00 PM
Take it easy, COCK. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment.
Anonymous said...
Reply to OT: Capt. TL was in 019/023, he is a micromanager BUT a fair person, where you could agree to disagree with him. Yes he is a true believer, and believes he's the smartest person on this job but you could certainly do worse. If you get made Tom, don't become an asshole , we have enough of them already.
10/17/2013 02:37:00 PM
Ooops! You're too late!
He "got made" an asshole a loooooong time ago.
You must be one of his minions.
"Non binding resolution?"
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Used ass-wipe with lots of pretty writing on it...
Take it easy, COCK. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment.
10/18/2013 12:32:00 AM
And yet...that person is 95% correct.
Ya'all do use your extra pay for shit like that. My wife used to be a Branch Manager at InBank on Division at Wolcott....Her off duty CPD security had a cell for his wife and a cell for his GF. We all know it happens.
@ 10/17/2013 11:43:00 PM
how many times do I have to say it...
If they don't get that they need you and actively work against you..
Treat them like you would someone from Revenue..
Ticket the shit out of them and use the state charges so they can't call anyone to get it non-suited.
Tommy Lemmer and Brucey Lipman were Dep. Sup. Ramsey's left and righ nut, pushing that caps BS, thats were Lemonhead got his juice. I had to sit and listen to that assh@#*e for over an hour tell me how the police & SOS would have not been allowed into the gehtto or survive with out the trust building of his beloved CAPS. What a tool, he's a true beleiver / moron......................................
Mikey is in the top spot so he has to take the wrap. But what about those under him? Ya know, the guys that have been there for 10+ years and have been through contract negotiations before! No one of them could have said "hey Mike you drop that very important letter in the mail?" Of course not cause Mikey isn't one of them. The FOP board is not much different than city hall... It's all about self preservation rather than the representation of its officers. Scumbags!
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Get your head out of your ass and start attending meetings, Shields in the February meeting stated to the membership that he had the letter of intent completed and intended on sending it in. However for reasons unknown he failed to do so even after being told numerous times. Defend him some more or let's blame others, one of the biggest problems today is forgetting the biggest word around RESPONSIBILITY .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Having retired as a sgt. over 10 years ago I do not have a horse in this race, but,although shields is the president and is held accountable for "the letter", what about the other officers/leaders (sic) of fop (dougherty, di maria, aguilar, etc.) who have been on the fop gravy train for years, and who should have some blame in this oversight. What about donahue, is he not paid by fop as a lobbyist. How about a little mentoring, mike?
When I go to the fop website, I see the 3 past presidents of fop, all who have sold us down the river, one way or another. example, gee, the city ONLY wants you to pay $2.00 a check for health insurance.
Maybe If the elected officers of fop maintained their grade pay, D1, D2, they would have a better feel for what the membership needs are.
How many past president have returned to the job when their terms ended? Going back to the COP days, George head is the only one I can think of.
Sarge stay retired you have no clue as to what is going on. Let' look at the Sergeants association for example, just like the State of Illinois our leader in prison for stealing how much of our money? Ever go to a meeting there the same people running that horse show, so just enjoy retirement and unless you have true knowledge of what is happening.
O'Conner voted only ONCE against the mayor, because the mayor told her it would be ok to do so. The vote was about a minor small business change. She got the green light from Rahm to vote her one no. Check out this report from UIC: PDF]
Continuing The Rubber Stamp City Council Chicago City Council ...
This is all a smoke screen by the ald. She's gonna make enough noise that all the idiots think she's on our side then it will fail and she'll let everyone know how hard she fought for us. Come election time it will be in print on her flyers n her minions will be telling all you fools that she's for the cpd. Fuck her she does nothing for the ward. I've seen better streets and sidewalks in 011.
Service the communities of the ones who back the proposal and F the rest. Hammer all the bad ones constituents.
This is a "gift" we really don't need. Send it back. The teachers stood together against Rahm, and that is how they kicked his ass.
** IMPORTANT, PAY ATTENTION ***
Here is the link if you want to read the resolution, just click on the .pdf file (where it says attachments) and it will open up. Just a note... there are other co-sponsors and some of the co-sponsors are interesting!!
https://chicago.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1492959&GUID=A45A1077-C4E0-4934-B889-AE81F607DA80&Options=Advanced&Search=
gotta love these coppers who live in the oriole park, Edison park, Garvey, Norwood park, ebbinger, wild wood, school areas but send their kids to private school. News flash, your wasting your money, so quit crying broke because of some other reason you make up to send your kids to private schools when you have real good public schoools as listed. Ask yourselves why are you sitijng it the ghetto on your rdo working VRI to send your kid to a private school when you het a better education at the above listed schools. This post only applies to this who live in the above school boundaries, so don't loose it and think I'm referring to all public schools, so.......
To all you Shields supporters out there that are blaming everyone for Mikes decision not to send the letter, yes a conscious decision not to send the letter.
1. Mark Donahue the past president had 3 conversations concerning the letter with Mikey. His fourth conversation was with his secretary, who Mikey has since fired because she nagged the fuck out him to send the letter she prepared after speaking with Donahue.
2. Rich Aguilar had a conversation with Mikey and Mikey told him the letter was taken care of.
3. Mikey told the membership at a general meeting 1 week before the letter was due that it was taken care of and its in the minutes of the meeting.
Fuck all the loyal Shields supporters who voted with him and the supporters who say the entire FOP board is responsible. Mikey had one task to accomplish in his 3 year term and that was to get the letter in on time, if he had done that nobody would have known that he wasn't doing his job. He lied about knowing even though he told the membership it was taken care of what more proof do you need to concur that he failed to send the letter and lied to the membership to cover it up.
You said it best. End of story. Shields is a liar!!!! Mike Shields you need to resign!!! You're making Captains pay and you cost 10,000 police officers thousands of dollars. You and you're idiot brother have no decency or respect. Resign!! FOP membership wake up. The above post says it best. Mike Shields is a liar. He either did it on purpose or he's an idiot. Why are we putting up with this BS. How can one snot nose, never been the police, punk ass do whatever he wants to us? Bottom line..... my family is out 3 to 4 thousand dollars because of Shields being an idiot. Again Shields has a take home car, an expense account, and makes Captain's pay at our dime.
I can honestly say that Cline was the worst thing to happen to this job. He promoted all FOP's, friends of Phil and they are and were horrible. His legacy will be the advancement of friends who had no business in positions of leadership since they were and never will be leaders. He was the final nail in the coffin which is now the CPD.
100 percent correct. Cline was the downfall of this Department. He was a crooked IP. He abuse the merit system and put people in positions of authority of who they knew not what they know. Incompetence and greed is what happened. Does any one person really deserve to be promoted meritoriously 3 times in a row. Pure corruption and greed.
Don't forget to vote. Vote anyone out who doesn't stick up for the CPD, Lets vote to reduce the amount of useless aldermen that Chicago has. We did our job at Nato now it is time to pay us.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Take it easy, COCK. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment.
10/18/2013 12:32:00 AM
And yet...that person is 95% correct.
Ya'all do use your extra pay for shit like that. My wife used to be a Branch Manager at InBank on Division at Wolcott....Her off duty CPD security had a cell for his wife and a cell for his GF. We all know it happens.
10/18/2013 05:52:00 AM
And your wife had no business blabbing that information to you and you have no business blabbing it to us.
Nobody, other than anonymous posters on this blog, has ever ssid that their will be no retro. At the end of the day, this issue will be decided by an arbitrator, like always.
To all you Shields supporters out there that are blaming everyone for Mikes decision not to send the letter, yes a conscious decision not to send the letter.
1. Mark Donahue the past president had 3 conversations concerning the letter with Mikey. His fourth conversation was with his secretary, who Mikey has since fired because she nagged the fuck out him to send the letter she prepared after speaking with Donahue.
2. Rich Aguilar had a conversation with Mikey and Mikey told him the letter was taken care of.
3. Mikey told the membership at a general meeting 1 week before the letter was due that it was taken care of and its in the minutes of the meeting.
Fuck all the loyal Shields supporters who voted with him and the supporters who say the entire FOP board is responsible. Mikey had one task to accomplish in his 3 year term and that was to get the letter in on time, if he had done that nobody would have known that he wasn't doing his job. He lied about knowing even though he told the membership it was taken care of what more proof do you need to concur that he failed to send the letter and lied to the membership to cover it up.
You said it best. End of story. Shields is a liar!!!! Mike Shields you need to resign!!! You're making Captains pay and you cost 10,000 police officers thousands of dollars. You and you're idiot brother have no decency or respect. Resign!! FOP membership wake up. The above post says it best. Mike Shields is a liar. He either did it on purpose or he's an idiot. Why are we putting up with this BS. How can one snot nose, never been the police, punk ass do whatever he wants to us? Bottom line..... my family is out 3 to 4 thousand dollars because of Shields being an idiot. Again Shields has a take home car, an expense account, and makes Captain's pay at our dime.
The above posts are accurate and correct. Mike Shield's needs to go. If we don't get rid of him we are our own worst enemy.
Retired Lt here. Why would you Blue Shirts let a nobody like Shields make fools out of you. The Real Police that I came on the job with would have forced this shit talking liar off of FOP and the job. What the hell happened to the Real Police? Are you that dumb? I'm glad I retired. You're letting a Giligan looking Shields make you look like idiots. "Oh I forgot to send the letter." Yeah right. Wake up CPD.
Mike Shields has many people working alongside him and not one mentioned or told him to send the letter. Come on.....sounds like Shields got amnesia with a promise for a spot when he loses his election.
Solution:
1. Get rid of all FOP Officers / Board, Vote them out
2. New Officers / Board: No perks and Patrolman pay
Im sure the new board or president will change the by-laws to reflect patrolman pay for FOP pres and board...bc all of us Cops stick together, right?
Anonymous said...
Mike Shields has many people working alongside him and not one mentioned or told him to send the letter. Come on.....sounds like Shields got amnesia with a promise for a spot when he loses his election.
10/18/2013 10:23:00 PM
Aguilar said at a meeting he told Mike to send the letter. He stood up there and threw Shields under the bus. Others said they did also. None of them could be bothered with writing the letter and putting it in front of Shields to sign, however. Aguilar can only say, "I told him, he didn't do it, don't blame me..."
That's what you get for firing all the office people who actually know how to run things. Mark Donahue's secretary, Mary Pat, knew everything. Why fire her? She can teach new people lots of valuable stuff; but Mike fired her first day.
That was a bad move and firing Pleines was a bad move also. He went in there firing people and making enemies and then wonders why everything blew up in his face down the line.
Another day with Shields at the helm of the Titanic. We MUST clean house.
Let Shields get his 30 pieces of silver from Rahm, he did well!
O'C isn't your bud. She's a a Rahm stooge, don't fool yourself.
Is it OK if I call you? I think you're a cutie, Vic.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
"Fair" in our city government? James has been drinking way too many of my famous white wine spritzers.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
"...I just met Alderman O'Shea...He is the real deal..."
Please report to Random Drug Testing, 3510 S. Michigan Avenue.
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