Crime Stats Are Not to be Believed
- You won't hear Lakeview's top cop talk statistics at community meetings anymore — even if numbers suggest that crime is down from the year before in the neighborhood.
Town Hall Police Cmdr. Elias Voulgaris said the biggest way to tell if things were going well was listening to feedback from residents. Besides, many in the community didn't believe police numbers anyway, he said.
"You'll notice I didn't bring up stats," he said at a recent community policing meeting. "No one believes the stats. The biggest barometer is feedback."
It was a rough summer for Voulgaris. At a heated August policing meeting, residents both decried the statistics showing crime was too high — a beat in Lakeview led the city in robberies — and questioned whether the official data could be believed.
Crimes are only documented when the victim files a report, and some neighbors and a well-read neighborhood crime blog, Crime in Wrigleyville and Boystown, frequently point out that not all robberies are documented.
Perception is part of the key to people "feeling safe." The other part is actually being safe, having a visible patrol presence, being seen making arrests, performing traffic stops, and interacting with the public. That isn't happening in most "safe" neighborhoods because the manpower has been stripped (or retired without replacement) from those areas.
Add in a massive reclassification of crime, increased response times to discourage reporting of crime, making the 3-1-1 (Alternate Response) a nightmare to navigate through and you have all the makings of betraying trust with the community when they can see the uptick in crimes with their own eyes and they no longer believe your numbers.
Most of the credit is due to the Crime in Wrigleyville and Boystown blog. They have been relentless in their coverage of robberies blowing up across what is one of the biggest night life spots in Chicago. Perhaps they can kill CompStat in the process.
Add in a massive reclassification of crime, increased response times to discourage reporting of crime, making the 3-1-1 (Alternate Response) a nightmare to navigate through and you have all the makings of betraying trust with the community when they can see the uptick in crimes with their own eyes and they no longer believe your numbers.
Most of the credit is due to the Crime in Wrigleyville and Boystown blog. They have been relentless in their coverage of robberies blowing up across what is one of the biggest night life spots in Chicago. Perhaps they can kill CompStat in the process.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
127 Comments:
The problem is that the citizens do not believe the local government, and have not learned to totally depend on their local government for most things. They must be forced to change their mistaken beliefs.
Uptown update is interesting too.
The powers that be really hate the Internet as it is.
Look for changes.
The "Eli-gets-dumped-o-meter" is officially running. When is the next compstat meeting? He'll be gone by the following Monday. Not all his fault. Manpower is down 25%, the local yokels are up in arms at the caps meetings, and robberies are thru the roof. What is his fault is his reluctance to reign in his out of control XO, who banishes people from the station, the "entertainment detail", the divisiveness with the tact teams, and the allocation of manpower to created/cushy spots when the rest of the watches are short and primary best cars are downed. Gotta have a homeless car up though!!
Rahm Emanuel is allowing the theft of police protection from taxpayers to give to the non tax paying ghetto. This is by definition called stealing. This will not help his presidential aspirations!
The gang bangers know their hood has already been destroyed so the get on the red line train and travel to the north side and boystown to rob white liberals.
The white liberals don't report being robbed because they are retarded and feel that's the price they must pay for living in the city. They think being robbed is normal.
Call your alderman and demand more police protection!!
Good...
Maybe the people who pay a lot of freight for the joy of being robbed of over 300+ Policemen (pre-consolidation) while being laughed at and shit on by Rahm and and McWhiskey, will actually and actively rebel against the nonstop stream of double-talk, slippery sytax, singing & dancing statistics, lies by omission and other such knee-knocking, eye-watering bullshit.
P.S.
Rahm says "fuck you" while he cringes in terror from the rev'runs and activists on the West and South Sides.
Rahm did the math... You people in 019/023 (and every-decent-where else for that matter) are doubly back-bend fucked because you're outnumbered in the voting booth and you don't have the glassy-eyed animus Rahm has...
Be mean.
Be vengeful.
Fight back.
Fight dirty.
It's the only language Rahm understands.
Collectively you're more than a demented, over sold little bulge-eyed manling with pockets full of other people's money.
Why aren't you people running his narrow ass out of town?
Rahm has and will continue to shit on decent people who have rules of conduct and civility to abide by.
Notice... Rahm does not fuck with Dude/Sanctuary City/The Catered to Constituency the way he fucks with what's left of Chicago's formerly formidable middle class.
He WILL walk you people backwards to "equality" with the same m/fers prowling YOUR formerly safe neighborhoods to slap you in your eye and take YOUR shit YOU worked hard to accquire because THEIR nesting grounds are over-Policed.
P.P.S.
All "official" numbers from City Hall and CPD HQ have been throughly cooked.
You people will never get a straight answer about Police deployment or manpower because Chicago is living through an experiment in how to destroy a large metropolitan American Police Department while keeping the tax paying public blissed out, dumbed down and unaware.
Hint:
The ongoing media war/public opinion shaping propaganda campaign against First Responders and their concerns.
Another Hint:
If you people want to be mad about something, be mad at the politicians and business interests who facilitated the "disapperance" of approximately $12 to $15 Billion in tax payer treasure from the coffers of this city during the last mayoral regime.
We can't get over how you so called "hard-nosed Chicagoans" can so easily blame Policemen for something that no Policeman or group of, would have been allowed to pull off by the political and media powers here...
We smile because this really isn't the Policeman's fight anymore.
Sheer naked survival is our focus.
You citizens are the ones who will set the course of correction.
Or not...
Thus endeth the REAL lesson.
If you people were as smart as you thought you were, you'd be pissed in the extreme at how irrelevant you've become in the eyes of the political and media powers.
Oh yeah... As always...
The Police are the enemy.
Viva Hate...
good for volgaris.. he is gonna catch major heat from GMAC on this because its pretty much saying F you to the supt and his compstat and numbers crap. like to see it. hopefully it catches on and compstat, the numbers game and the contact card crap ends a slow miserable death.
The October issue of Police magazine has an article talking about weak UCR stats.
It sounds like it's written about Chicago:
http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2013/10/what-s-really-going-on-with-crime-
rates.aspx
Interestingly, there's also an article about Detroit. The Chief there is a former LAPD guys who's bringing CompStat to our soon-to-be-twin-city.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2013/10/the-detroit-blues.aspx
rb
You got half the story here. I read DNAinfo and saw an article by the same reporter on Oct 4 that shows unlike most commanders, Voulgaris had the balls to admit out loud what we've been saying on here:
www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20131004/lakeview/lakeview-top-cop-plans-beef-up-midnight-shift-next-year
Town Hall Police Cmdr. Elias Voulgaris outlined several issues within the neighborhood at a community policing meeting this week in hopes of avoiding the finger-pointing and yelling that has marked previous gatherings.
The midnight shift — when the most robberies happen — historically has been the least staffed in the city due to contract constraints, Voulgaris said.
And while the neighborhood did not lose officers as a result of two districts merging, 69 officers left because of retirements, promotions or transfers — something he has no control over, he said.
Most of the officers on the midnight shift are there because they want to be or because they have low seniority, he said. For the most part, he cannot simply move more officers to nights.
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Thank God a commander was finally honest with residents about not having enough cops and not being able to do anything about it. Too bad you guys are kicking him in the ass instead of thanking him.
But what we do best is eat our own...
At a time where the Sup. and Mayor seem to treat stats as gospel I think it took some balls for Voulgaris to say what he said. I happen to completely agree with him. Unfortunately I think he will have his ass handed to him for saying it. Anyway, good job commander.
And no. I don't know him or work for him.
Wow! I can't believe the Commander is bashing the Almighty stat gatherers at 35th St. This guy sure goes against the grain. Hard to believe 35th St made him.
Voulgaris? I thought Ryan ran the place? Who's this Voulgaris?
What a shot at McCarthy to say that to the public. Some balls to point out the BS
Oh man, wait till McStreetlight sees this.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2013/10/15/argentina_is_lowering_its_homicide_rate_by_calling_them_deaths_from_outside.html
"...No one believes the stats. The biggest barometer is feedback."
While I wholeheartedly believe Compstat is a lie filled dog and pony show with a bent towards browbeating underlings; there is no way that "feedback" should be our impetus....we are the police - how about we try patrolling the streets, responding to calls and investigating crimes
Well that is a sign the citizens are wising up. Never accept any numbers from the City of Chicago. They are all phony.
For many years the FBI has not accepted Chicago's numbers, with good reason. It is good to see the regular people crying bullshit. Finally.
The crime are similar to the crowd numbers at major events released by the city. The city said there were a million or a million and a half people down at Grant Park for the Blackhawks celebration.
Even the most generous count using a grid system (how many people can physically fit in a 10 x 10 foot grid, 100 sq ft) comes up with no more than 200,000 people. And that number is probably high.
McEgo has one goal in mind. That is to lower the homicide rate. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is secondary.
Robberies, burglaries, the rising spate of gang problems growing in formerly "good" neighborhoods? Next guys problem. Put all "their" officers in the ghetto. If he can keep a few career criminals from killing each other, he and the Mayor will pat themselves on the back and declare a victory. The lapdog media will help them. Nobody calls them on this nonsense.
You cannot have a district with 2 commanders, it just don't work
Great post SCC, I've been saying this for a long time ! If it's not reported it never happened. Also , I would add,going to a paperless reporting system,with a horsecrap computer system that keeps malfunctioning. It Makes guys code stuff out ,when they would've scratched out paper before.
Commander from 19th is the best! This guy on his own time is conducting study groups.
I know a lot of people who live in Wirgleyville. I told them about that blog.
Blogs are excellent sources of information when mainstream media distorts and outright lies.
Eli is a good man in an impossible situation.
Never trust a carpetbagger.
Eli also failed to properly "merge" the two Districts Personnel. Inside people from the old 019 were kept in place with inside people from 023. The tension was often apparent and not productive. 019 Dist. Tac often boasted of how little they produced, before the merger, while 023 Tac was used to intense scrutiny and the numbers game. The fact that the increased level of crime did not exist when 023 handled Boys Town and Uptown makes one wonder if the addition of 019 Dist personnel was actually a burden rather than blessing.
former Commander?.....The Emperor has no clothes!
He must need a little push about another job offer. I can't see McEgo letting it go. He violated Rule # 1 when wearing an appointed shirt. Always tow the company line. Even if Armageddon is upon us.
Maybe the neighborhood can start midnight basketball leagues in boystown for the redline kids to take their mind off rape and robbery.
citizens who count and read?
raise their taxes for unauthorized brain usage within the city limits.
rham
Gang Members in Chicago's West Humboldt Park fired more than 40 shots against each other in the early hours of Sunday morning yet the Chicago Police Department's 911 Dispatch Center, and 14th District Officers who were dispatched to the scene and only stopped to talk to neighbors in the area after a second telephone call.
In spite of the fact that the 911 dispatcher had been told that an all-out gang war had taken place; and in spite of the fact that the 911 dispatcher had been told that the caller wanted to SIGN A COMPLAINT and MAKE A REPORT, the officers, who can be seen driving by the crime scene the first time they responded, REFUSED to investigate the reported incident and literally drove off while the individual who reported the incident and asked to make a report was still talking to them.
The video is posted at http://youtu.be/fGVIA2dpWUQ ,
Prior to the actual shooting, the gang members who live and hang out in the 3rd house west of Homan, on the north side of Beach Avenue, can be seen scoping out the neighborhood and their corner, the Northeast corner, of Beach and Homan regularly during the lead up to the actual shootings.
The video really gets interesting at the timestamp of 03.39.45, [actual event time was 04.39.45 - based on the fact that the DVR time is always set to CENTRAL STANDARD TIME - and validated against the national bureau of standards twice a day] when a white or grey, four door, sedan, headed northbound on Homan Avenue, pulls up to the northeast corner of Beach and Homan and opens shots in the directions of the gang member's hang out.
This is quickly responded to by a young male, dressed in medium blue or grey slacks and a white or grey hoodie, as he runs out to the corner and returns the shots. You can VERY CLEARLY see the white flashes of the gun muzzle as the shots are being fired.
The light colored four-door vehicle has pulled up to the alley, just north of the corner, and the members of the vehicle have gotten out and are returning fire to the gang member on the northeast corner of beach and human.
Approximately 40 shots were fired in less than 20 seconds.
A CPD investigation was finally started [by the GOOD GUYS from 014 - the day shift, when a neighbor came out to go to work and discovered her car windshield and several tires had been shot out.
When CPD responded they discovered close to 40 shell casings on the street, with approximately 4 in the street at the northeast corner of Beach and Homan and approximately 36 more in the street, at alley to north of intersection.
Homan Avenue is was closed down from approximately 07.00 until 13.30 while the detectives labeled and photographed the bullet holes in the neighbor's car and then numbered and photograph the shell casings which were laying in the street; interviewed the neighbors, and looked at the evidence.
During the entire time, the gang members who were responsible for the incident were sitting on the porch of the house they occupy, drinking bear, and asking the officers questions like, "what happened, Sir?"
By the way, there was ZERO press coverage of this incident.
For the record, we've lived here for 31 years and pay our taxes, both property, sales and income, regularly.
We're looking for a Mayoral candidate to put up against the Princess, cause there's no way in hell we're going to allow him to be reelected.
Calling our alderman, Maldonado, and demanding more police protection is useless because he's a convicted gang member himself and uses the gangs to help get himself reelected each year.
EV is a good boss in a shitty situation...between the yuppies who "shit on us until they need us" to the XO who is an asshat. This commander can only hope he gets "demoted to a cushy spot" while retaining his oak leaf because staying in 019 is going to be the death of him & his career. between the mayors detail, cushy spots and in-feuding - he's fucked.
Wait a minute. You mean all those pretty graphs and number charts that all the over educated suck hole morons made for us to enjoy are a lie? NO WAY!
Captain Cesario would never do that!
The biggest problem in the city is the declining numbers of police officers (you cannot police this city with under 13,000 cops) and the consolidation of the districts and areas (they're all too big as is). It was a failed experiment. So is McCarthy. And the straw that will break the camel's back is the proposed idea of consolidating 020/024 next year; an idea being talked about right now.
For the most part, he cannot simply move more officers to nights.***Thank God a commander was finally honest with residents about not having enough cops and not being able to do anything about it. Too bad you guys are kicking him in the ass instead of thanking him.But what we do best is eat our own...10/16/2013 02:20:00 AM
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And it's too bad this shittard is a fucking liar. Every fuckin year he has complete authority to alter the number of officers working on 1st watch, there ain't a fucking contractual. Impediment stopping him from doing a fuckin thing.
There is also not a fuckin thing stopping him from increasing the number of cops working midnights at any fuckin time during the year either, he just doesn't like to have to abide by seniority rights that mandate reverse seniority to do it.
So you can fuck off with your asslicking this guy, he's a fuckin union buster claiming the contract prevents him from adequately staffing midnights
Why any holding a rank less then commander would worry about compstat and wanting it out beyond me. I think the real reason a district commander does not want to discuss statistics is not because he thinks they might be faulty, but because he is embarrassed in bringing them up in public at all.
send des plaines police chief bill kushner to 019 he will straighten things out hey boss i wish you would had stayed with the cpd
take care
a friend from the cpd
We cannot make you "feel" safe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UBYHGhBw8I
From The Shield
Speaking of Leadership, how the hell can this dept justify have PO's teach leadership classes to Sgts and Lts?? Are our 200 or so Gold Stars too damn busy to LEAD us??
Commander Voulgaris deserves a lot of respect for having the balls to speak the truth. Hopefully he's starting a trend. Other commanders and bosses take note. That is what leadership looks like. Too bad he'll get demoted for showing it. I would urge all the officers in 19 to back him up with their support. You might have something going here.
200 years ago, Old White Men cemented in legal writing, what everyone knew back then:
THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF!!! With the best ARMS you can afford!
This (and Switzerland) are the only countries that foolishly put that God-given right down on paper. Yet, these idiot liberal yuppies can't strip it out fast enough! Then they cry that they are getting their asses kicked. What idiots.
The Second Amendment does not differentiate between The King of England or a Latin King. NEITHER has the right to deprive you of life, liberty or property!
Congratulations to Commander Elias Voulgaris for being forthright and truthful.
Condolences to Commander Elias Voulgaris on the impending career adjustment.
The downtown 5th floor just called an audible to the Bronzeville 5th floor.
While I wholeheartedly believe Compstat is a lie filled dog and pony show with a bent towards browbeating underlings; there is no way that "feedback" should be our impetus....we are the police - how about we try patrolling the streets, responding to calls and investigating crimes
10/16/2013 04:52:00 AM
You are a fool. Can't you read between the lines. Jughead!
Another blatant and in your face failure of this city's media whores who repeat everything spoon fed to them by the Emanuel administration.
Dump XO Ryan alteady, enough with his bullshit "invitation only" watch parties that even the ones invited feel obligated to attend because Mikey will take it personal and give you the evil stare. This angry man is a cancer and has no understanding of what a leader is. (See you at the bar Mike)
The reason why so many people left 019 is Captain Ryan. He is a bipolar lunatic that harassed hard working officers for no reason other than he is an egomaniacal masochist.
Here's a stat you can believe. An unknown person discharged his weapon in the Public Transportation Tact Office. Went through cubicles and the round is mysteriously missing.....hhmmmm? Keep hiring these morons and matching supervisors.
Commander Voulgaris is a great man with the truth in hand I congratulate you for speaking up !!!!!!!!.
now if they demote this man shame on this department the truth is numbers are being control by some bull-shit system .
Once again remember there will be a mayor election in the 2015 so let start thinking about this .
let start releasing information if any is out there regarding the truth about these made up numbers .
I love this guy he has balls good job commander .
Whooo Eeeeeeeee! What a public shot at Comstat! I like this guy. What guts to tell the truth. 35th may not like it though.
Anonymous said...
You got half the story here. I read DNAinfo and saw an article by the same reporter on Oct 4 that shows unlike most commanders, Voulgaris had the balls to admit out loud what we've been saying on here:
www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20131004/lakeview/lakeview-top-cop-plans-beef-up-midnight-shift-next-year
Town Hall Police Cmdr. Elias Voulgaris outlined several issues within the neighborhood at a community policing meeting this week in hopes of avoiding the finger-pointing and yelling that has marked previous gatherings.
The midnight shift — when the most robberies happen — historically has been the least staffed in the city due to contract constraints, Voulgaris said.
And while the neighborhood did not lose officers as a result of two districts merging, 69 officers left because of retirements, promotions or transfers — something he has no control over, he said.
Most of the officers on the midnight shift are there because they want to be or because they have low seniority, he said. For the most part, he cannot simply move more officers to nights.
***
Thank God a commander was finally honest with residents about not having enough cops and not being able to do anything about it. Too bad you guys are kicking him in the ass instead of thanking him.
But what we do best is eat our own...
10/16/2013 02:20:00 AM
Remember this is the police district where Rahm himself lives. Voulgaris will last just as long as it takes for this to get to Rahm and McCarthy. Then Voulgaris will get launched again. He was command staff once before. My respect for him will shoot way up there if he is launched because of telling the truth and if he doesn't backtrack.
Someone needs to point out to these people they are full of shit.
Remember Bunny in The Wire?
The new 019 is completely dysfunctional with the command staff and "2" district commanders. Get out when you can....
Someone finally figured out that the rain was really piss
Rumor mill.... Is GMAC sick? Been seen in and out of Northwsterm?
When did they open the gun range in mass transit? Didn't even know it was ventilated.
Maybe the stats can get better if the FBI takes back the Italian Sgt from a west side district who walks around showing his man boobs and talking about what a great cop he is. He also will spar anyone he thinks distespects his white shirt even though he disrepects most blue shirts. Let's not forget all the honorable mentions he puts himself in for. He walks around bragging that he's going back to the FBI task force. Take him now.
McCarthy is in way over his head. Finally it's starting to show. Problem is Rahm will never admit he made a huge mistake picking him to lead the CPD.
Elias a stand up guy. He was my Sgt in 012th. Always did the right thing for his troops. He doesn't care he is a Captain. Fuck McScotch. He told the truth.
Did you see McCarthy on the news yesterday? Either he was hungover or this job is getting to him . He looked horrible.
The truth of the matter is that Volgaris has no idea what the stats are. He was unprepared for the meeting like always and that was his answer to a citizens question. Eli ad his sidekick Angelo are done I tell you.
A/1 gun range may be closed but the PTS tact office is open. Is the line ready? Just ask sgt E.P. holding the tube of wood putty... Just saying. Folks you can't make this shit up!
Vulgaris is a nice guy with zero backbone. He put many undeserving people in bullshit spots/cars, homeless car, quality of life cars, school cars, auto theft car, and whatever else he feels needs a two man unit, while the beat cars run around answering call after call. Sadly many who left saw the mismanagement in its beginning stages and bid out. Just recently, the commander and XO had a disagreement resulting in the XO's girlfriend Olive Oil getting the boot from the front office. But, low and behold the poor girl didn't fall hard, Olive Oil is now on a school car working days M-F. And you want to know whats wrong with 019? Bid out if you can .
it isnt his fault whether you like him or not too many resources are being put into the ghetto and not enough is being put into the north n northwest side. walk up everybody, the citizens in 3 6 7 n 11 n 15 dont want the police they hate police and dont ever want to come in contact with the police all they want to is well their dope and be left alone
signed
16th district ranger
Kudos to Commander Voulgaris! He is a stand up and great family guy! The door is ALWAYS open for you back in 010! 3rd Watch p.o.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Off topic but can someone spread the word on who is running for FOP President and what the names are of whom we can choose from? Is Dougherty from FOP running?
10/15/2013 12:48:00 AM
A union rep from the airport is putting together a slate albeit covertly but wonder how many other secret spies are doing the same?
10/15/2013 11:54:00 AM
He was at fop meeting getting signatures quietly!
OT.
Ugh, whaa?
Something they aren't telling us?
http://kdhnews.com/fort_hood_herald/across_the_fort/role-players-help-troops-train-for-riot-control/article_5c0b6b56-35d0-11e3-a813-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm
After a dozen years of training to go into combat zones filled with enemy combatants, some soldiers are now training to manage themselves in peaceful situations involving civilians.
Troopers with Charlie Company, 2nd Squadron, 38th Cavalry Regiment, 504th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade, underwent crowd and riot control training last week at Fort Hood’s Elijah urban training site.
“A lot of the training we are doing now, Armywide, is full-spectrum operations,” said 1st Lt. Steven Shaw, the officer-in-charge of the three-day training event, which ended Thursday in an exercise using role players as rioters.
VULGARIS
Web definitions
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ASS-IM-INEA GASTROPOD MULLUSC!!!
MOM always knew what the kid would be.
Whatever happened to names like Terry,Phil,and Jody?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The "Eli-gets-dumped-o-meter" is officially running. When is the next compstat meeting? He'll be gone by the following Monday. Not all his fault. Manpower is down 25%, the local yokels are up in arms at the caps meetings, and robberies are thru the roof. What is his fault is his reluctance to reign in his out of control XO, who banishes people from the station, the "entertainment detail", the divisiveness with the tact teams, and the allocation of manpower to created/cushy spots when the rest of the watches are short and primary best cars are downed. Gotta have a homeless car up though!!
10/16/2013 12:20:00 AM
You had me until you bitched about the homeless car.
After what happened to Rick Francis, thanks to one of the so-called benign homeless people, I'd sure hope there was a homeless car up. EVERY day and EVERY night.
While I wholeheartedly believe Compstat is a lie filled dog and pony show with a bent towards browbeating underlings; there is no way that "feedback" should be our impetus....we are the police - how about we try patrolling the streets, responding to calls and investigating crimes
10/16/2013 04:52:00 AM
Well, reporting crime is feedback. Just enlightening the public that the more they call 911, instead of just tolerating crime, and the more they demand a report, instead of 'can't wait, gotta get home', the more police protection they will have assigned to their area.
FOP will receive retro checks , thanks to 19 th ward
Anonymous said...
You got half the story here. I read DNAinfo and saw an article by the same reporter on Oct 4 that shows unlike most commanders, Voulgaris had the balls to admit out loud what we've been saying on here:
www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20131004/lakeview/lakeview-top-cop-plans-beef-up-midnight-shift-next-year
Town Hall Police Cmdr. Elias Voulgaris outlined several issues within the neighborhood at a community policing meeting this week in hopes of avoiding the finger-pointing and yelling that has marked previous gatherings.
The midnight shift — when the most robberies happen — historically has been the least staffed in the city due to contract constraints, Voulgaris said.
And while the neighborhood did not lose officers as a result of two districts merging, 69 officers left because of retirements, promotions or transfers — something he has no control over, he said.
Most of the officers on the midnight shift are there because they want to be or because they have low seniority, he said. For the most part, he cannot simply move more officers to nights.
***
Thank God a commander was finally honest with residents about not having enough cops and not being able to do anything about it. Too bad you guys are kicking him in the ass instead of thanking him.
But what we do best is eat our own...
10/16/2013 02:20:
Nobody is kicking him in the ass. He has this district so screwed up with his special cars its unsafe. All these special cars has put us backwards On any given day all three watches average 3 to 4 beat cars down. We have no rapids anymore and they use the wagon on paper as a beat car. The community groups and business owners need to know that with all the taxes they pay Police service is always 20-30 min wait time. If we responded to these calls on time crime would be thru the roof, most of the victims are long gone,and I think that is the motive. What we need to do is start mailing letters with copies of the sheets and an explaination to all the community orginizations and large business about how much service they think they get when 4 to 5 beats out of 15 are down.The Tact Lt. is a goof and wont let the Tact team assist the watch when we are in a backlog.Here is a list of special cars when 4 beat cars are down. 1944, 1945 they should be rapids but they are called quality of life cars,get no assignments 1904c unknown what they do but get no radio assignments. 1906h homeless car that never gets homeless assignments. 1906 A,B,C, D burglary/robbery team with sat/sun day off group.no radio assignments not even a burglar alarm. Yes the midnight shift is overworked on every weekend but the commander doesnt see this he needs to change the tact team hours put them in uniform and in marked squads and respond to all the robberies, beatings drunks and mentals. and I mean not by a few hours change they should have the watch hours.You might be right he is a good guy, but not a good commander.
OT
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's a stat you can believe. An unknown person discharged his weapon in the Public Transportation Tact Office. Went through cubicles and the round is mysteriously missing.....hhmmmm? Keep hiring these morons and matching supervisors.
10/16/2013 12:06:00 PM
My friend this is an example of a two tier disciplinary system. If someone is special, then yes, they can get away with discharging their weapon. If someone is not special then they will get into trouble. Up to separation from the Department.
I am not special. So I always do everything by the book. Everything. If my arrestee tells me he has a belly ache, I take him to the hospital.
Re: Ugh, whaa?
Something they aren't telling us?
Have you not been paying any attention to what has been going on in your own Illinois back yard in Tinley Park at the old mental health center?
Does Northwestern have a happy hour?
Tom lemmer was called into supt office today and was in dress uniform.
If it's about 19, could u imagine lemmer and ryan in the same place? Holy shit!
Hey SCC, OT but very important. Alderman Matt O'Shea is co-sponsoring a resolution for our retro pay. It's important that all members, family and friends contact their aldermen urging them to back this resolution!
From Matt O'shea:
Earlier today, I co-sponsored a resolution before the City Council calling for any economic benefits included in the next Chicago Police contract to be paid retroactively to July 1, 2012. The men and women of the Chicago Department work hard each day protecting our lives, property, and rights. They deserve every possible consideration.
This ordinance was drafted out of deep respect for the sworn officers of the Chicago Police Department and their families on behalf of myself and my colleagues Alderman Mary O'Connor, Tim Cullerton, and Mike Zalewski. It is a small gesture of support for those who put their lives on the line each day to keep our City safe, but one we all feel strongly about.
Anonymous said...
VULGARIS
Web definitions
A. , a medicinal plant species * Assiminea vulgaris, a gastropod mollusc species
ASS-IM-INEA GASTROPOD MULLUSC!!!
MOM always knew what the kid would be.
Whatever happened to names like Terry,Phil,and Jody?
10/16/2013 04:52:00 PM
Oh how very intelligent and mature that post is. You must be a white-bread lace curtain Irish fuck named John Mulrooney or something.
"Whatever happened to names like ..." No really, that is great, it really shows your intelligence level.
Cmdr. Elias Voulgaris, not VULGARIS, it's a name, it's Greek in origin. I am not Greek, I am Polish. You would really piss in your pants if you looked through a phone book of my ancestor's names.
What is that, "Stanislaus"? Hardefuckinghar, whatever happened to names like Tom, Dick and Harry? Oh ho ho ho, what does Stanislaus mean? Rotten cole slaw or sumpin'? Ha ha ha.
You must be a real funny guy to sit next to in your third watch beat car by golly. Real funny guy. Now, do I have to say it? Go home and get your fucking shine box moron.
Anonymous said...
Off topic but can someone spread the word on who is running for FOP President and what the names are of whom we can choose from? Is Dougherty from FOP running?
10/15/2013 12:48:00 AM
We should know in a month or so. Certainly before Christmas.
But really, so fucking what? What does it matter who is running for FOP President or other FOP Office?
Experience has shown that among active PO's, of those who get a ballot in the mail, with an envelope and a stamp on it, if 25% actually fill it out and mail it in it will be a massive turnout.
So with all the complaining, 3 out of 4 will still have their sealed ballot package sitting on the kitchen table next spring and the usual suspects will be asking, ""hey, when is dat election?" or "I never got my ballot, what the fungoo?" or "When is the election, fuckin' FOP."
The retirees, will again vote in overwhelming numbers and will make sure their ballots are filled out and sent in on time. And the same active PO's will complain again, "Hey, how come we gotta' let the retirees vote?" "It don't seem fair" "What do I do wit' my ballot?"
Eli, you served the CPD and all coppers like a true leader all through your career.
You are a true gent all the way. Fuck em' Eli .. The 5th floor can eat shit. You told the tax payers the truth.
019 is slowly turning ghetto. More and more south siders and west siders are coming in to do their mayhem. Check out what 019 looks like on a Friday or Saturday night.
What's with all the peep holes in the tact office over in mass transit? Kinda creepy.
Commander Voulgaris is a stand up guy... I recently went back to 019 on midnights, and I was shocked when I got a personally signed thank you card for my work on a good arrest. He has done the same to other officers. Since when has a boss taken this kind of time to acknowledge his troops for hard work... was also injured on an arrest and received a personal call from him offering his well wishes. I would work for this man anytime any place... great boss
Once the red line is up and running in a few days the rats can travel downtown and cause havoc there.
019 is slowly turning ghetto. More and more south siders and west siders are coming in to do their mayhem. Check out what 019 looks like on a Friday or Saturday night
016 is no different. West side mutts with heroine and needles up and down Milwaukee, Elston, Central. All these mutts being shoved down our throats.
im not taking the sgt test fee$25 + parkink fee $20 + coat check-in fee $$$ what the hell 210 spots out of 6000 candidates? not worth my time and effort, and spot in Patrol. SUCKERS!
What 019 needs is a micro managing deputy chief of a district. Thatll fix things
Retro Allies
Earlier today, Aldermen Matt O'Shea, Mary O'Connor, Tim Cullerton, and Mike Zalewski co-sponsored a resolution before the City Council calling for any economic benefits included in the next Chicago Police contract to be paid retroactively to July 1, 2012. The men and women of the Chicago Department work hard each day protecting our lives, property, and rights. They deserve every possible consideration.
Anyone who wants to know how many police/ how much manpower only needs to look at how long police response is or how many cars respond to a call and how many police vehicles there are. We are all 1 man and too few cars.
To all of you who think this commander is going to be dumped, think again.
The neighborhood would go ballistic if he's now moved, after having told them the truth.
He only told them he wouldn't throw numbers around, because no one would believe him, anyway. He didn't say the numbers were lies, or falsified. He played to his audience and he won their trust.
Rahm isn't going to pull him; it wouldn't go over well at all.
Cmdr. Elias Voulgaris, not VULGARIS, it's a name, it's Greek in origin. I am not Greek, I am Polish. You would really piss in your pants if you looked through a phone book of my ancestor's names
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Excellant comment young man. Eli is aces from day one. He is all heart.
Talking about being Polish. Who was the last Gold star that was Polish ? The city only needs the Poles during election time.
Only people from Mayo or Cork county need apply ! Somethings will never change in this city.
Anonymous said...
Tom lemmer was called into supt office today and was in dress uniform.
If it's about 19, could u imagine lemmer and ryan in the same place? Holy shit!
10/16/2013 07:15:00 PM
Is lemmer and his cowboy boots finaly leaving 003? He sat in his office quietly shuffling the same papers over and over. what does a captain do anyway?
Commander V needs to wake up and put XO in his place because XO thinks he runs show over in 019. Thats what Commander Yam. did when he had problem W/C's on 1st watch when he took charge, he booted them to other districts. Bottom line: current XO needs to be shifted elsewhere in city or you will continue to have very miserable troops in 19. EV is a good boss but stand up & kick the silly looking construction worker XO out. Just sayin'
Voulgaris is a nice guy. Too nice. He tries to accommodate every Tom, Dick and Harry that walks through his door. I think many P.O.s take advantage of that. One can't be an effective leader by giving everybody what they want. Being too nice and accommodating will be his downfall in the end.
Voulgaris is kind of cute, now that I look at his photo.
>>>Anonymous said...
Voulgaris is a nice guy. Too nice. He tries to accommodate every Tom, Dick and Harry that walks through his door. I think many P.O.s take advantage of that. One can't be an effective leader by giving everybody what they want. Being too nice and accommodating will be his downfall in the end.
10/17/2013 01:53:00 AM<<<
Eli is good people...
An effective leader is one who gets cooperation from Tom and Dick to hold up Harry's end when you give Harry the night off, and vice versa.
How come 019 District has a Mission Team on Day's with a Sat/Sun day off group. E/V states he can't move people to midnights. Why not your ROBBERY MISSION TEAM to combat the crime on Midnights. I'm sorry, robberies don't occur on the weekends, oh it would disrupt their sleep. One person on there team can't even stay awake during the day anyways.
Lets not forget the Misfire in the roll call room by an elite team member of Eli Vulgaris' quality of life car. That officer decided to play with his weapon at the beginning of roll call, when it discharged, striking another officer in the leg. That goof is still on that car, taking up space. Good job Eli.
Eli is a very nice guy, not a good commander. If you work for him, you would understand. These crazy cars that don't answer any calls are what pissed many coppers off. You don't put the undeserving on a nice car and expect the troops to accept it. Any good boss knows to put good coppers that know how to do the job on specialty cars. Its plain and simple.
Used to work in 019 many moons ago...
The same problem with 019 occurs now in 014 and in 018 possibly 001 and 020...
THE YUPPIES THE GAYS AND THESE YOUNG KIDS FROM COLLEGE AND OTHER STATES AND SMALL TOWNS AND SUBURBS...and the liberals... are afraid to CALL 911 or don't know how to especially when drunk!
They figure everything that WE consider suspicious is normal for the CITY. For some reason they are afraid to report it or follow up on it with a "suspicious person call"
In other words 9 out of 10 times the caller tends not to know how to say why to the calltaker, that the M/1 is suspicious....thus the calltaker does not prioritize it. Most times the caller may be intoxicated too another issue.
In other words NOT calling and calling all fucked up and stupid or not being able to articulate your reason usually results in a non-response by call taker or less a concern.
I used to hear the frustration THEN (over 12 years ago) and I hear it now as I read.
I once heard this and to this day it seems best fitting:
"THE STUPID WILL BE PUNISHED!!!"
3 bars
You can talk about the Irish all you want, and most of what you say will be true, but the Greeks are also represented in boss spots much more than their numbers would dictate. If any ethnic group has reason to complain about under representation it is the Polish.
Anonymous said...
019 is slowly turning ghetto. More and more south siders and west siders are coming in to do their mayhem. Check out what 019 looks like on a Friday or Saturday night
016 is no different. West side mutts with heroine and needles up and down Milwaukee, Elston, Central. All these mutts being shoved down our throats.
That's what mayor RMD meant when he closed the jets and said ". . .they are coming. . . "
Anonymous Anonymous said...
im not taking the sgt test fee$25 + parkink fee $20 + coat check-in fee $$$ what the hell 210 spots out of 6000 candidates? not worth my time and effort, and spot in Patrol. SUCKERS!
10/16/2013 10:03:00 PM
You just threw away your right to complain about your bosses, then. Either choose to be part of the solution, or remain part of the problem.
This is what happens when you consolidate two stations into one. Get rid of the goofy XO and move the Commander to another assignment. Change the leadership when a team goes bad. Unfortunately the Tact Lt. needs to retire. Start over with some fresh blood and see what happens. The district is way too big to go bad. Lots of money up there.
Never could figure out why we share any information with the public. All charts and graphs should be internal. There is plenty of leakage in this department and you have to wonder how many gang members are sharing sensitive information on operations.
The problem with 019 is that you have an XO who undermines the commander on a daily basis. This XO has also marginalized the tact Lt. This is why there is a schism between tact and the watches. The XO gets on the air playing inspector and intervenes on everything like reassigning theft jobs to the tact team, fronting off Lt.s and sgts on the air, calling out PO.s etc....it's the XO vs. The Tact Lt, the DC, the Lt.s the sgts. and the PO's. This XO is so hateful,angry and toxic, he actually SPARed his old partner with a day suspension. He did it when he was on furlo. This guy is a looney tune. He is so paranoid. His former watch secretary whom he and his wife socialized with off duty, didn't follow him to midnights when he lost out to Capt. JRD for 3rd watch, he PERCEIVED this as a personal insult , an act of treason, that he went out of his way to make her life miserable, just because she didn't follow him to midnights cause she has kids and it would not workout with childcare. This guy is so maniacal that Lt.s are leaving the district to get away from his sociopathic ways. Eli Voulgaris is a nice man, but he is in a real shitty spot with XO Ryan there. Every year of the Cubs opener the tact Lt. ran the detail for opening day. But last opener, the tact Lt.s name was no where to be found. This is unprecedented, the tact lt. always ran the openr. This is a classic example of XO Ryan
marginalizing the district, turning it against itself. Ecerytime the commander sends put an Email the XO sends outs his own version of what the commander
sent out and it usually is changed to suit the XO's whim.
After all this XO is really the district Operations Officer, just ask him he will tell you. HE handles the day to day operations of the district. This guy is a real liability to any commander, and all those that work where he is assigned. This guy is filled with hare, rage , anger, wants revenge at all costs. Good luck 019.
Anonymous said...
To all of you who think this commander is going to be dumped, think again.
The neighborhood would go ballistic if he's now moved, after having told them the truth.
He only told them he wouldn't throw numbers around, because no one would believe him, anyway. He didn't say the numbers were lies, or falsified. He played to his audience and he won their trust.
Rahm isn't going to pull him; it wouldn't go over well at all.
10/16/2013 11:31:00
The truth!!! are you kidding me.then he should start telling them how many PRIMARY beat cars are down every day. We have 5 tact teams while beat cars cant even get a lunch.This commander has swayed soo far off of the map with downing beat cars while he puts up special cars that do nothing. Beat and rapids have worked well in the past why is he trying something different and not going back to it knowing his special car thing is not working. Its not like we dont have the manpower, we do if they would just take them out of the hiding spots and use them. I dont think he knows how many people are bitching when we show up 20 mins later after they call to say "why did it take so long" Then I tell them the truth we have 10 beat cars for the size of 2 districts and next start giving them the commanders cell phone number so they can find out. Our medical roll is huge from officers sick of this shit and it is only going to get bigger if something isnt done soon. And yes I have a good memory of our commander when we were in 017 remember Eli.
Eli is a joke. He needs to replace his tac lt. With someone with a backbone. Those tac officers do NOTHING
Omg...many of the things said are on the money. Xo and his girlfriend....conflict of interest...direct supervisor, uhmmmmm he was still legally married uhhmmm but anyway enough gossip.. i also think that commander eli is a wonderful, kind considerate and giving man who does know how to show his appreciation to his troops. Maybe the commander is just too nice. The only reason people whine about his special cars is because they are jealous haters. There was never any of this bullshit in the old 23 . Yeah yeah things change but it sucks. I have never known such misery at work could exist. Between the rats, haters and the spoiled p.o.'s, its just not home anymore. I wish we could just get along., unity, & commradery start with us as an example for the bosses. On the street all we have is each other. Bad bosses and haters should not be able to break the thin blue line they have left us with. We are drowning in our own misery and hate.
I guess too many hands in the pot make for bad stew. Say whatever you want but i used to have a happy loving home with good caring officers and bosses that were respected and leaders by example.
Anonymous said...
This is what happens when you consolidate two stations into one. Get rid of the goofy XO and move the Commander to another assignment. Change the leadership when a team goes bad. Unfortunately the Tact Lt. needs to retire. Start over with some fresh blood and see what happens. The district is way too big to go bad. Lots of money up there.
10/17/2013 01:55:00 PM
Amen! Why does everyone else see the problem and the bosses dont. There is so much in-fighting and back stabbing between the supervisors than a jason movie. There is even 2 2nd watch sgts that text and call the xo with everything they see when he is not there. I hope you see that this is what our xo enjoys. Please get this poison out of 019 so we can try to salvage whats left.
Anonymous said...
Lets not forget the Misfire in the roll call room by an elite team member of Eli Vulgaris' quality of life car. That officer decided to play with his weapon at the beginning of roll call, when it discharged, striking another officer in the leg. That goof is still on that car, taking up space. Good job Eli.
10/17/2013 08:41:00 AM
Several months ago, the same incident happened at the academy range and nothing happened to the range officer.
Anonymous said...
The problem with 019 is that you have an XO who undermines the commander on a daily basis. This XO has also marginalized the tact Lt. This is why there is a schism between tact and the watches. The XO gets on the air playing inspector and intervenes on everything like reassigning theft jobs to the tact team, fronting off Lt.s and sgts on the air, calling out PO.s etc....it's the XO vs. The Tact Lt, the DC, the Lt.s the sgts. and the PO's. This XO is so hateful,angry and toxic, he actually SPARed his old partner with a day suspension. He did it when he was on furlo. This guy is a looney tune. He is so paranoid. His former watch secretary whom he and his wife socialized with off duty, didn't follow him to midnights when he lost out to Capt. JRD for 3rd watch, he PERCEIVED this as a personal insult , an act of treason, that he went out of his way to make her life miserable, just because she didn't follow him to midnights cause she has kids and it would not workout with childcare. This guy is so maniacal that Lt.s are leaving the district to get away from his sociopathic ways. Eli Voulgaris is a nice man, but he is in a real shitty spot with XO Ryan there. Every year of the Cubs opener the tact Lt. ran the detail for opening day. But last opener, the tact Lt.s name was no where to be found. This is unprecedented, the tact lt. always ran the openr. This is a classic example of XO Ryan
marginalizing the district, turning it against itself. Ecerytime the commander sends put an Email the XO sends outs his own version of what the commander
sent out and it usually is changed to suit the XO's whim.
After all this XO is really the district Operations Officer, just ask him he will tell you. HE handles the day to day operations of the district. This guy is a real liability to any commander, and all those that work where he is assigned. This guy is filled with hare, rage , anger, wants revenge at all costs. Good luck 019.
10/17/2013 03:28:00 PM
He is a certifiable head case. Total micromanaging jerk to everyone but a few chosen suckholes. Gets his hard on by messing with everyone and anyone.
As for the secretary, she was(is) a backstabber from the word go. Catered to for reasons unknown. Cry me a river, who is she working for now?
It's a shame that decent bosses and po's have been leaving any time there are openings. Open your eyes Eli. Then DO something.
Get it right. That's County Cork and County Mayo. Not Cork and Mayo Countu. Mayo God help us !
Cmdr. Elias Voulgaris, not VULGARIS, it's a name, it's Greek in origin. I am not Greek, I am Polish. You would really piss in your pants if you looked through a phone book of my ancestor's names
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Excellant comment young man. Eli is aces from day one. He is all heart.
Talking about being Polish. Who was the last Gold star that was Polish ? The city only needs the Poles during election time.
Only people from Mayo or Cork county need apply ! Somethings will never change in this city.
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Viva Polska! Um, Ralph Price, Ralph Chewszewski, Sgt. John Lucky are some of our polish brethren.
Whatever happened to that roll call shooting?
Anonymous said...
Lets not forget the Misfire in the roll call room by an elite team member of Eli Vulgaris' quality of life car. That officer decided to play with his weapon at the beginning of roll call, when it discharged, striking another officer in the leg. That goof is still on that car, taking up space. Good job Eli.
10/17/2013 08:41:00 AM
Several months ago, the same incident happened at the academy range and nothing happened to the range officer.
Dont forget the goof that shot the mirror in 007 while playing Dirty Harry in the Locker room a few years back. Awesome!
To 3 bars on 10/17/2013 11:09:00 AM:
Were you also intoxicated when you posted?
As for the secretary, she was(is) a backstabber from the word go. Catered to for reasons unknown. Cry me a river, who is she working for now?
She is one of the nicest, most down-to-earth, genuine souls that you could ever meet. She was the go-between for the watch when you had to ask the then W/C for something. No one, and I mean no one, has ever had a bad thing to say about her. You are 100% wrong.
Anonymous said...
im not taking the sgt test fee$25 + parkink fee $20 + coat check-in fee $$$ what the hell 210 spots out of 6000 candidates? not worth my time and effort, and spot in Patrol. SUCKERS!
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Thank you. It is because of people like you that I am already spending my extra money--Sergeant's pay.
Had an encounter with your 019 XO a couple years ago while coming to Area 3 to shoot.
Very angry looking character with a moustache who hung around the lobby giving everybody his best hardass look.
What a totally unpleasant and ill mannered man.
Was he beaten as a child or something? Because he is surely getting his revenge against the rest of the world, one porr
She is one of the nicest, most down-to-earth, genuine souls that you could ever meet. She was the go-between for the watch when you had to ask the then W/C for something. No one, and I mean no one, has ever had a bad thing to say about her. You are 100% wrong.
yeah, guessing that you are one of her friends. or her.
no gossipy talk or back stabbing EVER, right???
She ran to Capt evil any chance she got to better herself in his eyes. 100% my ass.
No Mickey wasn't beaten as a child, worse than that, he was spoiled rotten. Mickey got what Mickey wanted then, and now except that elusive gold star he wants so very badly.He was a cry baby, and a pouter at Lane Tech and was the same way on the job.
I wouldn't work in 19 for all the tea in China. No pun at the Chinese but if only half of these mentioned issues are true its way too much. I'm sure there's much more that's not even mentioned here. Sounds like the only viable move is to bid out asap.
>>>Viva Polska! Um, Ralph Price, Ralph Chewszewski, Sgt. John Lucky are some of our polish brethren.
10/17/2013 10:05:00 PM<<<
Oh Geeze, this demonstrates part of the reason Poles never got a lot of the recogition for the accomplishments as a national group. The language and names are often unpronouncible and many have been changed.
And no Pole would say "Viva Polska."
They would say "Polsku Sheva!"*
*Not sure that is spelled correctly, I'm not Polish.
Viva Polska! Um, Ralph Price, Ralph Chewszewski, Sgt. John Lucky are some of our polish brethren.
10/17/2013 10:05:00 PM
Yes, and which one of these fine officers went to law school on company time( yes while working at the HQs building) and whose mother was a big deal in a polish organization? And it is not a fine officer John Lucky, whom I respect.
Too many special, taken care of people in 019 who haven't had a second of hard time on this job.
Send them south to 003, 004, 005, 006, and 007 on mids for the rest of their time on the job.
Supervisors included.
Amen! Why does everyone else see the problem and the bosses dont. There is so much in-fighting and back stabbing between the supervisors than a jason movie. There is even 2 2nd watch sgts that text and call the xo with everything they see when he is not there. I hope you see that this is what our xo enjoys. Please get this poison out of 019 so we can try to salvage whats left.
10/17/2013 05:50:00 PM
Text and call him? What a couple of jagoffs, hope they are treated accordingly.
Naked Guy 69 better not be trying to move in on my action.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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