Thursday, October 17, 2013

Once Again, a Racial Divide

And the NRA position lines up more with that of the black aldercreatures, though for different reasons:
  • Mayor Rahm Emanuel has touched a nerve with his demand for a mandatory minimum, three-year sentence for gun crimes with a requirement that defendants serve 85 percent of their sentences.

    That much was obvious Wednesday when a City Council bitterly divided along racial lines went on record urging the Illinois General Assembly to impose stiffer sentences for gun crimes.

    The resolution talked about truth-in-sentencing. It made no mention of the three-year minimum. But it triggered a debate aldermen were itching to have.

    White aldermen were all for the bill championed by Emanuel and Police Supt. Garry McCarthy.

    African-American aldermen had such reservations, they threatened to send the resolution back to committee. They argued that mandatory minimum sentences failed miserably in the war on drugs and a similar approach to gun crimes would result in more of the same.
So the African-American aldercreatures oppose the law on the basis that too many black and brown folks/people will bear a disproportionate brunt of the penalties because....well, they aren't saying it's because a disproportionate amount of black and brown persons are committing the crime. They don't want you to look at that. Just ignore that fact that police are targeting guns crime, not black/brown crime, and remember guns are evil!

And the NRA position:
  • The National Rifle Association is stepping up its campaign against a proposed gun control measure in Illinois that supporters argue will help combat and prevent street violence by increasing penalties for gun crimes.

    The bill, sponsored by Democratic state Rep. Mike Zalewski, calls for more time behind bars for possessing illegal weapons. It increases penalties for unlawful use of weapons, including by felons or gang members. It would make probation less likely, imposing minimum prison sentences of three years in many cases. It would also require that offenders serve at least 85 percent of their sentences, up from 50 percent.

    The NRA's Institute for Legislative Action wrote in a website post that the bill will jeopardize concealed carry in Illinois by imposing tough penalties for individuals who carry a firearm without a concealed-carry permit or firearm owner's identification card.

    "This specific provision incorrectly targets otherwise law-abiding citizens, rather than deterring violent criminals with harsher penalties," the group said in an Oct. 10 statement.
The NRA recognizes that decent people, especially those living in crime-ridden neighborhoods might have more need of a gun than those in lower crime areas. And due to the racial makeups of crime-ridden neighborhoods, the decent people are going to be disproportionally minority. That isn't the NRA's contention - the NRA doesn't mention race in their position - that's our observation of reality.

And that is greatly amusing to us, that an organization painted by the left as a rich, white, oppressive, Republican stalwart is actually fighting for the Rights of poor, minority, victimized Democrats to be able to protect themselves without being subject to a three-year prison minimum for first time offenders who might not understand all the intricacies in the new laws governing Concealed Carry and gun ownership.

This is a very exploitable opening for the NRA to peel away a section of a monolithic voting bloc. Pro-gun, pro-self defense, pro-responsible gun owners who happen to be black? That would terrify Rahm more than anything we can think of at the moment.

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30 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...


all this stuff sure keeps that daley family member trial investigation off the media.

what happened to mayor transparency.

10/17/2013 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the commission of a crime should be a mandatory 5 years, involving injury aggravated should be 10-15 years, and 20- life for third offense.

10/17/2013 01:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting take on this issue SCC, and absolutely correct.

Why don't they just concentrate on people who USE a gun in the commission of a crime? How about a five year minimum on that? That leaves the law abiding citizen that didn't get the paperwork right out of the equation.

10/17/2013 05:20:00 AM  
Blogger DPR said...

This is a great video on political correctness and its causes.

10/17/2013 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My (not a cop) experience, while working in the south and west sides of Chicago was that most of the decent people in those areas were armed. A number of older women who had to use public transportation carried guns. Most had experiences where the display of a weapon stopped a possible robbery or worse. All of the men I worked with, also not cops were armed.

10/17/2013 07:36:00 AM  
Blogger Rough&Tumble White Guy with a Basic Education said...

Toni Preckwinkle was said there are too many blacks in county jail.

Then she said -there is a cold place in hell for Reagan, due to his war on drugs.

fucking moron ... the war on drugs is federal law ... no one in poor Toni's county jail is there for federal charges


10/17/2013 07:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this doesn't wake people up, I don't know what will. Fuck em. Let em cry racism all they want. But if you are caught with a gun and it doesn't matter what race you are, lock them up. Now the disproportionate number of them are black, so what?

10/17/2013 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Mt Greenwood Hillbilly said...

This proposal is meant to intimidate law abiding citizens.

10/17/2013 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sentencing should all be consecutive and not concurrent that way the goof has to pay for every crime that he is convicted of and there is no "bundling" like the spineless judges like to give out now. Leave the two for one in the stores not the courts.

10/17/2013 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question off topic if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around does it make a sound? If a tact officer in mass transit shoots his gun off in the office near adjoining offices and trained observers does it make a sound? Just askin....

10/17/2013 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen to precwinkel the racist comments! Sorry Toni your peoples commit the crime and have to do the time!

10/17/2013 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think mere possession of a gun should be strict at all but I do believe when you use a gun in a crime (armed robbery, agg battery, agg assault, home invasion, shooting, murder, etc) that's when the hammer should be dropped and the sentencing increased.

10/17/2013 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

Rahm doesn't know our black people well enough he should have forseen this.

10/17/2013 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no divide, black people cannot be racist silly rabbit...

10/17/2013 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the resolution to set aside how many millions for supposed burge victims? They don't even need to sign an affidavit, just suggest not prove they were arrested by the detectives? How much are the taxpayers going to continue to be raked over the coals with bribes for votes? How about repairing the basic infrastructure?

10/17/2013 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will never be either truth in sentencing nor sensible legislation regarding UUW sentencing. How bout a law which does not penalize first time offenders with prison for running afoul of the law for possession of a firearm but does penalize known gang members and even those who have been arrested for battery or agg batt or hard narcotics offenses. These types of people are the ones most apt to use a firearm in the commission of a crime. Your average Joe who happens to not have an FOID card and has a handgun in his car shouldn't get sent to prison on a first offense.

10/17/2013 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's time for one clear division among all the people in this nation, and one only.

Those who abide by the law, respect the law, and have no problem with simple basic tenets of mutual respect for their fellow man, regardless of race, creed, or color... and everyone else.

10/17/2013 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agree, NRA can get the black vote on this issue.

10/17/2013 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You better believe it there is a racial divide. All you need to do is experience Judge Carol Howard in Room 203 at 26th and Cal. They don't call it "set them free, 203" for nothing. She refuses to allow any white Sheriff's deputies as her bailiffs in her courtroom. She also refuses to sentence any black offender's to any sentence over 5 years. Some pretty good coppers have lost very good cases in 203 over the years, and not because they had bad cases. The judge is a bigot and she wears her racism on her robe. She could care less what others think of her. Coppers of all races should be outraged by her behavior on the stand.

For Pete's sake, she doesn't even know the law- and she's a judge for crying out loud. Then again, it's not about the law to her. Her agenda is about righting racial wrongs, at least in her very limited, racist little mind. She can't get by color and it clearly permeates her entire worldview, much like racists of all colors and shapes. The difference between her and other racists is that she's actually in a position to hurt innocent people (i.e. true victims, coppers, etc.). When you lose a case on the merits, that's one thing. But when you lose a case because the judge is a bigot, that's totally unacceptable and wrong on every level, no matter what color you are.

How in the world does someone like this A) Pass the bar exam; B) Become a judge; and C) Always get re-elected as a judge. She's a complete and total disgrace to the justice system. She represents EVERYTHING that's wrong with the Cook County judicial system. Let's all pray to the Lord that something really serious, i.e. a cop killer case, never ends up in her courtroom.

It's really a shame that her actions/behavior are allowed to go on.

You know your case is in trouble when the state's attorney is asking you if "you have any black officers on the paper" because if you don't, an acquittal is sure to follow.

Shameful. Absolutely shameful.

10/17/2013 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Their argument isn't to far off from the one that was made about the racial divide in arrests for possesion of weed. Yes, I'm black, but forget that for now. What needs to be addressed is the racial divide in the street searches as well as the divide between searches conducted on men and women. Yes I know, blacks & hispanics commit most of the crime(well are caught for them), and I'm not saying police shouldnt continue to search "us" because some alderman don't like it. But I'm 100% positive that if the same amount of searches conducted on the south & west sides are done on the North side you'd have more arrests for drugs, weapons etc.

Now the reason I mentioned the sex divide is because I know of men & women alike who carry weapons(& no, Im not talking about a puny little pocket knife) for protection, not to go shoot somebody. I don't agree with those types of people gettin arrested, but it is law, and women are far less likely to get searched. Those same people are far more likely to get searched and arrested on the south & west sides, solely because of the stigma those areas have, than on the north side, where I know for a fact the samething happens.

10/17/2013 03:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think it's right, black or white, brown or green, to be arrested for a gun possession. If it was used in a crime that's a different story. If I lived in say Englewood I'd feel I had no choice but to walk around with a gun, which would suck because I could be arrested for wanting to protect my self seeing as the U.S. Military wouldn't exactly be able to follow me around all day :p

10/17/2013 04:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is the high ranking officer forced to quit after lying to the A.G.? I'm putting my money on A. C. of alderman family fame.

10/17/2013 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Their argument isn't to far off from the one that was made about the racial divide in arrests for possesion of weed. Yes, I'm black, but forget that for now. What needs to be addressed is the racial divide in the street searches as well as the divide between searches conducted on men and women. Yes I know, blacks & hispanics commit most of the crime(well are caught for them), and I'm not saying police shouldnt continue to search "us" because some alderman don't like it. But I'm 100% positive that if the same amount of searches conducted on the south & west sides are done on the North side you'd have more arrests for drugs, weapons etc.

Now the reason I mentioned the sex divide is because I know of men & women alike who carry weapons(& no, Im not talking about a puny little pocket knife) for protection, not to go shoot somebody. I don't agree with those types of people gettin arrested, but it is law, and women are far less likely to get searched. Those same people are far more likely to get searched and arrested on the south & west sides, solely because of the stigma those areas have, than on the north side, where I know for a fact the samething happens.

10/17/2013 03:41:00 PM

I like having different opinions. You have a different opinion on this issue. From my perspective let me tell you why people are more likely to get searched in the south and west sides.

First of all, in order for an officer to stop, detain and search you, he needs a reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, is occurring or is about to occur. Or the officer has probable cause that a crime occurred. I can not tell you how many times people just blatantly do stupid shit right in front of me. From throwing gang signs to outright going through a stop sign to speeding (even when I am behind them). It is downright astonishing.

Also, we need to put an end to this nonsense of mixing blacks with brown/Hispanic people. The data states that blacks are 3.5 times more likely to commit violent crime while Latinos are 2 times likely. Whites are third and Asians are least likely (per capita so throw out your argument of there is not enough of them, we are dealing with per capita numbers).

10/17/2013 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bloomberg is behind this minimum sentencing for non-violent gun offenders. It their attempt at back door gun control. One of his old flunkies, Janey Roundtree, was planted to work as 9.5's Deputy Chief of Public Safety (aka anti 2nd amendment). They are trying to keep Bloomberg's name off of this after the disaster by the anti-gunners in the Colorado recalls.

Spread the word. Just say no to the Rahm/Bloomberg mandatory prison for minor infractions (e.g. expired foid cause ISP delays processing).

Hire more cops to catch the bad guys. Don't pass crappy laws to create more bad guys out of law abiding citizens. Bloomberg and his flunkies out of Illinois!!!!

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=9786

10/17/2013 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Their argument isn't to far off from the one that was made about the racial divide in arrests for possesion of weed. Yes, I'm black, but forget that for now. What needs to be addressed is the racial divide in the street searches as well as the divide between searches conducted on men and women. Yes I know, blacks & hispanics commit most of the crime(well are caught for them), and I'm not saying police shouldnt continue to search "us" because some alderman don't like it. But I'm 100% positive that if the same amount of searches conducted on the south & west sides are done on the North side you'd have more arrests for drugs, weapons etc.

Now the reason I mentioned the sex divide is because I know of men & women alike who carry weapons(& no, Im not talking about a puny little pocket knife) for protection, not to go shoot somebody. I don't agree with those types of people gettin arrested, but it is law, and women are far less likely to get searched. Those same people are far more likely to get searched and arrested on the south & west sides, solely because of the stigma those areas have, than on the north side, where I know for a fact the samething happens.

10/17/2013 03:41:00 PM

You're living in an absolute fantasy.

10/17/2013 10:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like having different opinions. You have a different opinion on this issue. From my perspective let me tell you why people are more likely to get searched in the south and west sides.

First of all, in order for an officer to stop, detain and search you, he needs a reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, is occurring or is about to occur. Or the officer has probable cause that a crime occurred. I can not tell you how many times people just blatantly do stupid shit right in front of me. From throwing gang signs to outright going through a stop sign to speeding (even when I am behind them). It is downright astonishing.

Also, we need to put an end to this nonsense of mixing blacks with brown/Hispanic people. The data states that blacks are 3.5 times more likely to commit violent crime while Latinos are 2 times likely. Whites are third and Asians are least likely (per capita so throw out your argument of there is not enough of them, we are dealing with per capita numbers).
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The reason I personally mentioned hispanics is because I have lived on the north west side and west side throughout my life. On the north west side, hispanics were commiting the crimes while on the west side, blacks were commiting the crimes. I also do understand reasonable suspicion and probable cause. From past experience as a teenager, I would often be walking down the street and be searched by officers(well not "often" but a decent amount of times). Only once, while I lived on the north west side was I told the reason I was being searched. It was because someone supposedly called in a suspicion person riding a block( I had stayed on that block for 3 years, so it actually could have had something to do with tje shootings/up tick in gang activity in the area lol)Now where I was going with my North side argument was I had a friend in high school who I played football with and no matter the day, time, season of the year, I was never searched while up that way & neither was his older brother. His older brother frequently walked out the door with a gun for safety(he wasn't a gang banger) and has never been arrested, and as far as I know, searched while tje gun was in his possession. I'm speaking strictly from my personal experiences though and being told only once in my life why I was being searched, or never being searched on the north side(as well as never seeing it, like I would on the west and north west sides) kind of enhances my personal view on why I feel strongly with the opinion I have with police frisks in different areas of the city.

10/17/2013 11:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I like having different opinions. You have a different opinion on this issue. From my perspective let me tell you why people are more likely to get searched in the south and west sides.

First of all, in order for an officer to stop, detain and search you, he needs a reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, is occurring or is about to occur. Or the officer has probable cause that a crime occurred. I can not tell you how many times people just blatantly do stupid shit right in front of me. From throwing gang signs to outright going through a stop sign to speeding (even when I am behind them). It is downright astonishing.

Also, we need to put an end to this nonsense of mixing blacks with brown/Hispanic people. The data states that blacks are 3.5 times more likely to commit violent crime while Latinos are 2 times likely. Whites are third and Asians are least likely (per capita so throw out your argument of there is not enough of them, we are dealing with per capita numbers).
========
The reason I personally mentioned hispanics is because I have lived on the north west side and west side throughout my life. On the north west side, hispanics were commiting the crimes while on the west side, blacks were commiting the crimes. I also do understand reasonable suspicion and probable cause. From past experience as a teenager, I would often be walking down the street and be searched by officers(well not "often" but a decent amount of times). Only once, while I lived on the north west side was I told the reason I was being searched. It was because someone supposedly called in a suspicion person riding a block( I had stayed on that block for 3 years, so it actually could have had something to do with tje shootings/up tick in gang activity in the area lol)Now where I was going with my North side argument was I had a friend in high school who I played football with and no matter the day, time, season of the year, I was never searched while up that way & neither was his older brother. His older brother frequently walked out the door with a gun for safety(he wasn't a gang banger) and has never been arrested, and as far as I know, searched while tje gun was in his possession. I'm speaking strictly from my personal experiences though and being told only once in my life why I was being searched, or never being searched on the north side(as well as never seeing it, like I would on the west and north west sides) kind of enhances my personal view on why I feel strongly with the opinion I have with police frisks in different areas of the city.

10/17/2013 11:56:00 PM

I work in 025. Grand and Central. We have blacks, hispanics and whites. A perfect microcosm of American society. If someone offers an officer probable cause or reasonable suspicion they will be stopped. Only an officer that is apathetic for his own safety will not search someone. I don't care what color your skin is. My safety comes first. If a black guy or a white guy broke my bones. My bones would still be broken and hurt!

10/18/2013 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/17/2013 11:56:00 PM

Also, there no getting around it. Black males commit most of the violent crimes in our country. That is a fact. It's kind of like saying most serial killers are white men between the ages of 35 and 50. That is a fact.

10/18/2013 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unbeknownst to tiny dancer.
There already a few black NRA members. Whoopi Goldberg for one.
And the youtube sensation Colin noir ( a democrat's worse nightmare a educated FOID carry black) who also happens to be a successful lawyer in Texas.
Another thing democrats hate
Wayne LA Pierre can, at the touch of a button reach 5 million supporters.

10/19/2013 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then the sheriff or prickwinkle lets them out. What's the point

10/22/2013 08:40:00 AM  

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