Sanctuary!!!!
- Ten people — including two Daley family friends and some Chicago police officers — were granted immunity from prosecution after they initially refused to testify before the grand jury investigating the death of David Koschman, which led to a manslaughter charge against former Mayor Richard M. Daley’s nephew, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.
The two Daley family friends — Kevin McCarthy and his wife Bridget Higgins McCarthy — were with Daley nephew Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko at the time he allegedly punched Koschman during a drunken confrontation on April 25, 2004, at Division and Dearborn.
Vanecko and another companion, Craig Denham, took off in a cab. The police stopped and questioned the McCarthys, who at first denied knowing the two men who fled as Koschman lay in the street with brain injuries.
Kevin McCarthy repeated that story when detectives showed up at his home a few hours later. His wife eventually identified Vanecko to detectives during an interview on May 13, 2004 — a week after Koschman died.
Bridget McCarthy, 35, is the daughter of developer Jack Higgins, a longtime friend of the mayor who was chosen to build the city’s police headquarters. He recently was picked by the Illinois Medical District to redevelop part of its West Side campus.
The McCarthys and an unknown number of police officers testified before the grand jury with a grant of immunity from prosecution after first invoking their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, the Sun-Times has learned.
So could someone explain why anyone needed to invoke the Fifth Amendment and receive a grant of immunity from prosecution if this was just a pair of drunks fighting and the investigation was completely on the up-and-up with absolutely no influence or late night phone calls from high ranking bosses and Shortshanks' people?
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
77 Comments:
Just because we take the fifth it shouldn't assume any guilt. The case is over nine years old. The statute of limitations has has run out. Testifying before a grand jury in a heater case opens you up to perjury or anything the state feels like charging you with. Talking from experience. Use your rights.
Shameful, Karma will return the favor to all these connected liars.
It's pretty simple SCC, in a witch hunt like this you never know when you are going to become the accused. If they can't get who they are going after they are going to get someone. So u better be careful and play it safe.
Every Area Three Detective involved with the Kloshman case is retired. So are the bosses. DW was not in Area 3 when this occurred. A certain egomanic MC was.
There was no coverup.
Daley is the biggest Piece of Shit on Earth,His body would clog the entire sewer system if you flushed him down the toilet.
Dan Webb was a scumbag when he prosecuted the Marquette 10 and other officers just to make a name for himself. He destroyed families mentally and financially. He along with big Jim Thompson have a special place in hell waiting for them.
That said, Webb has turned the screws tight on Vanecko and his defense team. Its a smart move and you can see the beads of sweat dribbling down that cro-mag forehead of vaneckos.
they have a phrase for this in the hood don't they;
'snitches get stitches'
how this any different --
i guess within the higher ranks of the establishment it's called a 'professional courtesy' instead...
and is glorified instead of demonized
The Chicago Way!
In other Crook County/Daley Corruption news...
Judge: Daley doesn't have to testify in Burge torture case
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-78171743/
Silly boy, don't you know that in Chicago things are never what they appear to be. It is always a murky broth that is being, or maybe not, stirred in the pot.
Here are all the reports.
http://www.suntimes.com/csp/cms/sites/STM/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=XzQokq40Zgp_54rPSMW$bA80pv9G8YngpDjoBAJz3M0A_hoiXBJSnr7fXvGo9_ThjMpqdV2Mso4mH6beQ6T6p6cn$IfHvVpaPD23r0DuAcZaTfjnUETyN4ze2Kxdkdy8&CONTENTTYPE=application/pdf&CONTENTDISPOSITION=CCXKoschman.pdf
Fucking Sam Roti escapes prosecution? What a creep!
"Hi! It's me, Police Superintnedent Garry McTwitter! I know how this case turned into a clusterfuck! It was 'Mayor Daley who called the shots on this case. You see, mayor Daleys son, Patrick, made the mistake of playing Babe Ruth baseball with a kid's head up in Michigan a while ago. Things were taken care of by Mayor Daley's people and the case disappeared.
Fast forward to 2004. Daley nephew Vaneko gets into an altercation with Kochman and gives him a dirt nap. Daley, being the imbecile that he is, believes a cover up is needed to protect Vaneko.
Read the police report. Kochman was the initial aggressor. Vaneko shoved or punched Kochman once and Kochman fell to ground and struck his head.
sam iam only the mayors driver now we know why you moved from the neighborhood did you take the fifth sam sam sam
Any police officers that had to take the Fifth in a criminal investigation should be fired. There can be no excuse. The Fifth protects you from self INCRIMINATION. That last word says everything.
Call back is going to need a few more seats for about 30 pending.
>>>>> SCC: 'So could someone explain why anyone needed to invoke the Fifth Amendment and receive a grant of immunity from prosecution ...? <<<<<
Sure, be more than happy to share, to wit:
--- In a normal world, aka a jurisdiction not run by The Combine / Daley Machine where the fix is in because *you know somebody* their initial statements to the police would fall under; Hindering A Prosecution. And/or Obstruction of Justice, which last I checked are both are Felonies punishable by Fine & Imprisonment. Not to mention the teeny fact that a Death due to homicide is involved (as now charged) and there's that 'Accessory After The Fact - Aiding and Abetting' and/or possibly on the extreme end since they were involved, Felony Homicide. ---
Ergo, with any and all of the above which these McCarthy 'friends' have legal exposure to, invoking their 5th Amendment Right is kind of a given. Ditto for not talking now without getting immunity from prosecution. Even though its unlikely to happen in Crook County just because it IS Crook County.
An additional note: They should thank their lucky stars they're not facing any law like the Feds have -- and Loooove to use when all else fails: "Lying To Investigators". Also called; 'Misremembering something that happened six months ago.', 'The 'word' of two Feebs against yours.', and last but not least; 'They hand write interview notes the way theylike it to sound and you can't tape it, so watch out!'
-[I'm not an attorney, but I did spend all day yesterday in a hospital ER thinking I may be dying of cancer]-
Sorry scc but I disagree with you on this one.
EVERY police officer would seek immunity in order to testify-including you.
Every word of testimony by the investigators is going to be analyzed and twisted by the prosecutors office, family lawyers and media
Why???? Because prosecutors have made no secret of future charges against officers and you can be damn sure the family already has the lawsuit typed and signed as soon as this trial is over.
Any officer who says they wouldn't is full of self-righteous shit
Straighten me our here-even while I believe policemen are not second class citizens and should not be punished by loss of job for exercising constitutionally afforded rights granted to each citizen-I also believe they should not run interference for the Daleys and a corrupt lieutenant. That being said, other policemen have been fired for trying the same stunt.
Was there an IAD investigation corresponding to invoking the 5th before a Grand Jury? I cannot conceive of an officer taking the 5th in a job related investigation and not being sent to Call Back. Unless that Detective was Wired and Clout Heavy. Are these guys still working for the State's Attorney?
Bridget Higgins and Kevin McCarthy. Disgusting examples of entitled elitism.
Makes me want to vomit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Every Area Three Detective involved with the Kloshman case is retired. So are the bosses. DW was not in Area 3 when this occurred. A certain egomanic MC was.
There was no coverup.
11/14/2013 12:34:00 AM
Not exactly. How about Det RO, isn't she still working?
Anonymous said...
Just because we take the fifth it shouldn't assume any guilt. The case is over nine years old. The statute of limitations has has run out. Testifying before a grand jury in a heater case opens you up to perjury or anything the state feels like charging you with. Talking from experience. Use your rights.
11/14/2013 12:29:00 AM
If the statute of limitations has expired the case is done. If you tell the truth under oath you won't commit perjury. A person died by the hand of a human being(homicide),now the investigation will determine if criminal charges are warranted. The groundwork is being laid so only one person will be held accountable: Vanecko. If this was in the ghetto everyone on scene would have been locked up and charged;sitting at the County.
is the daughter of developer Jack Higgins, a longtime friend of the mayor who was chosen to build the city’s police headquarters. He recently was picked by the Illinois Medical District to redevelop part of its West Side campus.
soooooooo, anyone else see a problem with all that??
Even if one is completely innocent it is always smart when dealing with police in this kind of situation to lawyer up and say as little as possible. I do not blame them one bit. You are far more likely to get involved in a bad situation if you talk than if you say nothing.
Given the politically charged situation, I do not blame their lawyers for asking and getting immunity. It just means their lawyers are smart enough to do what it takes to protect their clients. Good for them. that is what lawyers are supposed to be doing.
ssc my predictions veneko walks the police are not charged , a bad incident but both were drunk and the kid started it
March every one of these nitwits who took the Fifth to the gallows...
The only SOB entitled to take the Fifth on any fucking thing is the alleged offender. Every other swinging dick and dangling tit should have been compelled to testify.
You know damn well if this were a collection of peed-on peon blue shirts somehow involved in this shit, names would have been named and blue shirts would have been perp-walked into the MCC as soon as the Koschman kid died.
Too much behind-the-scenes fuckery going on regarding this case and there are/were too many people in CPD and city-gov hierarchy trying to make this go away and too many in local media aiding and abetting with the agit-prop distraction operation...
Fuck everybody covering up for these rotten Daley bastards.
There isn't a single son or daughter of a bitch with a modicum of integrity on the Daley side of the equal sign...
SO the file is sealed.
All the corrupt are kept secret.
All the corrupt face No prosecution.
Meaning a risk of corrupted individuals reside in the department who will fix murders and destroy a case.
Yet the fed s seem to worry about silly shit like Jessie Jackson and his Michael Jackson hat.
Beware when you work a heater case you may be thrown under the bus by that clouted exempt for his future city job after retirement.
Anonymous said...
Every Area Three Detective involved with the Kloshman case is retired. So are the bosses. DW was not in Area 3 when this occurred. A certain egomanic MC was.
There was no coverup.
11/14/2013 12:34:00 AM
You keep saying this enough you might even believe it yourself. Time will tell and we should know all by next March.If not a cover up then certainly gross incompetence .
Every Area Three Detective involved with the Kloshman case is retired. So are the bosses. DW was not in Area 3 when this occurred. A certain egomanic MC was.
There was no coverup.
11/14/2013 12:34:00 AM
Wrong.
Sam got the promotion and the huge pension because he knew how to keep quiet,same as Jackie heard former press girl for the Daley crime family, she is getting a pension of 155,000 per year and still at the trough, while fat Sam is getting 125,000 civil rank d-1 but gets commanders pension just another sucking pension dry. The Daley crime family promotes and tells judges what they will do, only the little people get prosecuted if you can clout like Vanecko you will get away with MURDER nice huh?
CompStat alive in London ?
Scotland Yard on Wednesday reversed a coroner's finding of foul play in the 2010 death of British spy Gareth Williams, concluding that an accident was likely responsible for the death of the code-breaker whose naked, decomposing body was found stuffed inside a zipped and padlocked gym bag.
"Read the police report. Kochman was the initial aggressor. Vaneko shoved or punched Kochman once and Kochman fell to ground and struck his head."
If that's true, why would a cover up even be necessary? The fact that there was a cover up, along with immunity proffered for testimony from police officers, and invocation of 5th Amendment rights by the same, all indicate something is rotten in Denmark (or in this case, Daleymark). Hopefully the Chicago Tribune will do an in-depth investigation with regards to this case, so the public can get a better understanding of how the criminal justice system in Cook County works, or rather, doesn't work.
DW was in 018 as watch commander when this happened. He then was transferred to A/3 to keep an eye on this case. Oh and he found the missing files after he reported them missing....yeah ok
If they want immunity then they believe they did something wrong. All the while this woman still lives with the loss of her son. Ask yourselves, would this be acceptable to any of you if this was your son who suffered this fate? Would you be "ok" with the officers conduct of the investigation, who were supposed to investigate such a personal loss, seek protection from the constitution while the offender still walks and breathes to this day? What it is was your son, would this be acceptable?
If they want immunity then they believe they did something wrong. All the while this woman still lives with the loss of her son. Ask yourselves, would this be acceptable to any of you if this was your son who suffered this fate? Would you be "ok" with the officers conduct of the investigation, who were supposed to investigate such a personal loss, seek protection from the constitution while the offender still walks and breathes to this day? What it is was your son, would this be acceptable?
DW was in 018 as watch commander when this happened. He then was transferred to A/3 to keep an eye on this case. Oh and he found the missing files after he reported them missing....yeah ok
11/14/2013 02:06:00 PM
You are a moron!!! I was in 018 when this happened, DW was not in 018 yet!
Don't talk about what you don't know about!!
I have no problem with officers afforded their rights in their entirety according to due process.
I hope this also means a precedent can be cited when good officers look for the same protections AND will also not fear losing their jobs afterward if one day you or I need the same arrangement, or want to plead the fifth when it suits us for the sake of using our own discretion for whatever reason even if it gives the impression we're impeding an investigation or stalling prosecution...
I know, I know... not likely.
ssc my predictions veneko walks the police are not charged , a bad incident but both were drunk and the kid started it
11/14/2013 10:07:00 AM
Why is that second part, " the kid started it", repeated as gospel? How did we come to that conclusion, the police report? How did they come to that conclusion?
Ask the idiot m/1 commander of thanks detail what happened how do u think he got that job I guess they didnt do a credit check on the bust out how couldn't pay bills and went bankrupt playing the role now he is back playing the role like people actually would respect him like a commander.
The rich take care of those who take care of them.
major Coverup. Whatever happened to the surrounding businesses surveillance videos?
Its too late to give a fuck about this shit. The machine always wins. People of Chicago are sheep following the political robots right off a cliff (including the police).What I give a shit about is seeing young officers directing traffic in front of nice schools while my stuck ass gets older and angrier in the ghetto. This job is fucking great for those who are connected. It is conplete bullshit that officers with a decent amount of time can't fucking move around. Reverand McCarthy fucked up every level of this organization, cauing added resentment, stress, and anger among the troops. I used to take pride in my activity, now I feel guilty bringing in activity for a department and a chicago machine tgat continually is trying to take from us........I a mm proud of my work in one of the most dangerous areas in the city. I am just burnt out, like many others...... Sorry about my rambling rant!
"The fact that there was a cover up..."
This is a problem. There is absolutely no proof offered anywhere nor any released by the Special Prosecutor that there was a cover up. Yet most people out there say a cover up is fact. The Constitution be damned, we don't need no stinkin' proof.
I guess if you say something often enough it becomes truth.
Perfectly stated
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If that's true, why would a cover up even be necessary? The fact that there was a cover up, along with immunity proffered for testimony from police officers, and invocation of 5th Amendment rights by the same, all indicate something is rotten in Denmark (or in this case, Daleymark). Hopefully the Chicago Tribune will do an in-depth investigation with regards to this case, so the public can get a better understanding of how the criminal justice system in Cook County works, or rather, doesn't work.
Anonymous said...
"Read the police report. Kochman was the initial aggressor. Vaneko shoved or punched Kochman once and Kochman fell to ground and struck his head."
If that's true, why would a cover up even be necessary? The fact that there was a cover up, along with immunity proffered for testimony from police officers, and invocation of 5th Amendment rights by the same, all indicate something is rotten in Denmark (or in this case, Daleymark). Hopefully the Chicago Tribune will do an in-depth investigation with regards to this case, so the public can get a better understanding of how the criminal justice system in Cook County works, or rather, doesn't work.
11/14/2013 01:58:00 PM
Oh, I see. Now 9 years after the event the Tribune will do an in depth investigation.
Great.
Next will they do an in depth investigation on who killed Lincoln?
and I believe Hon. Rosemary Grant Higgins is related - check it out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Any police officers that had to take the Fifth in a criminal investigation should be fired. There can be no excuse. The Fifth protects you from self INCRIMINATION. That last word says everything.
You could indict a ham sandwich. I'm going to guess most of the pop-offs on this topic have never seen a grand jury in action.
Unseal court doc. almost like when the trib and abc 7 wanting to see what Jack Ryan and Gerri Ryan's divorce was all about. Liberal judge unseals doc for a GOP but for a dem oh no.
11/14/2013 12:34:00 AM
You keep saying this enough you might even believe it yourself. Time will tell and we should know all by next March.If not a cover up then certainly gross incompetence .
11/14/2013 11:12:00 AM
Gross incompetence up there was the order of the day back then. Bunch of det's who thought they were all Columbo.
Sorry if this sounds naive, but....Is Bridget Higgins McCarthy related, in any way to the retired Judge Higgins, Who I Think May have been the Chief Judge of Cook County?
Something tells me the Police are going to get screwed when all is said and done.
"...Every Area Three Detective involved with the Kloshman case is retired. So are the bosses..."
Vanecko will skate with 18 mos supervision.
– Everyone else, each and every person involved on both sides ought be preparing for the civil proceedings of the Wrongful Death suit. Maybe Shortshanks started a benevolence fund for A3 by now.
major Coverup. Whatever happened to the surrounding businesses surveillance videos?
11/14/2013 03:30:00 PM
Solar flare.
and I believe Hon. Rosemary Grant Higgins is related - check it out
no relation
"Ask the idiot m/1 commander of thanks detail what happened how do u think he got that job I guess they didnt do a credit check on the bust out how couldn't pay bills and went bankrupt playing the role now he is back playing the role like people actually would respect him like a commander."
What are you talking about!?!?
Sam Roti? Hmmm I've heard that name before...NOT!
"If they want immunity then they believe they did something wrong."
If I remember my high school civics class correctly the rights granted to citizens of the United States by the Bill of Rights, specifically the 5th Amendment, were included to protect the innocent. If you believe only the guilty take advantage of these rights you, sir or madam, are an idiot.
"The fact that there was a cover up..."
"This is a problem. There is absolutely no proof offered anywhere nor any released by the Special Prosecutor that there was a cover up. Yet most people out there say a cover up is fact. The Constitution be damned, we don't need no stinkin' proof."
Q: "Officer, is there any proof of foul play, and a cover up, whatsoever?"
A: Other than the dead body, and the fact that no one's been charged yet?
Hey, it's on SCC. That should be fact enough that there was a cover up, otherwise, why would it even be on here in the first place???
If the statute of limitations has expired the case is done. If you tell the truth under oath you won't commit perjury. A person died by the hand of a human being(homicide),now the investigation will determine if criminal charges are warranted. The groundwork is being laid so only one person will be held accountable: Vanecko. If this was in the ghetto everyone on scene would have been locked up and charged;sitting at the County
HAHAHAHAHA that is funny. If this was in the ghetto no charges. Any Det. or ASA could tell you that.
Anonymous said...
Ask the idiot m/1 commander of thanks detail what happened how do u think he got that job I guess they didnt do a credit check on the bust out how couldn't pay bills and went bankrupt playing the role now he is back playing the role like people actually would respect him like a commander.
11/14/2013 03:23:00 PM
Not sure if you're still drunk from the night before or just started early today, but go sleep it off!
Anonymous said...
"...Every Area Three Detective involved with the Kloshman case is retired. So are the bosses..."
Vanecko will skate with 18 mos supervision.
– Everyone else, each and every person involved on both sides ought be preparing for the civil proceedings of the Wrongful Death suit. Maybe Shortshanks started a benevolence fund for A3 by now.
11/14/2013 07:21:00 PM
Um, unless the "people on both sides" threw the punch that killed Koschman, what can they be held liable for? Det's didn't kill him, witnesses didn't kill him...only Vanecko killed him.
RO was on furlough when the kid died. Investigation assigned to someone else while on furlough.
Maybe dicks shouldn't get to take furloughs.
Anonymous said...
"...Every Area Three Detective involved with the Kloshman case is retired. So are the bosses..."
Vanecko will skate with 18 mos supervision.
– Everyone else, each and every person involved on both sides ought be preparing for the civil proceedings of the Wrongful Death suit. Maybe Shortshanks started a benevolence fund for A3 by now.
11/14/2013 07:21:00 PM
9 years. No statute on murder; there is a statute of limitations on civil suits. Any lawyers know what that would be in this case?
Anonymous said...
Any police officers that had to take the Fifth in a criminal investigation should be fired. There can be no excuse. The Fifth protects you from self INCRIMINATION. That last word says everything.
11/14/2013 05:28:00 AM
Taking the protection of the 5th Amendment protecting you from self incrimination is not in and of itself, incriminating, although many or most members of law enforcement see it that way in much the same way as someone who invokes their right to speak to a lawyer is looked upon as guilty.
I am a retired PO now but I would never sit for questioning without a lawyer, no matter what. I advise family members of the same thing. Get the advice and protection of a lawyer if forced to go in for questioning, whether innocent or guilty. It is a right, exercise that right.
Same with talking to Federal Agents, FBI etc. Invoke your right to a lawyer, cop or civilian, innocent or not.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just because we take the fifth it shouldn't assume any guilt. The case is over nine years old. The statute of limitations has has run out. Testifying before a grand jury in a heater case opens you up to perjury or anything the state feels like charging you with. Talking from experience. Use your rights.
11/14/2013 12:29:00 AM
What statute of limitations is there on homicide?
You have to remember the Color of Law being another valid reason for officers needing immunity. For example - If a supervisor ordered a detective to do something unlawful, and the detective complied with that order knowing what he/she was doing was unlawful, and years later tells that story to a prosecutor, that detective could be charged under Color of Law.
Same with talking to Federal Agents, FBI etc. Invoke your right to a lawyer, cop or civilian, innocent or not.
11/14/2013 10:39:00 PM
Apples and oranges.
I, too, would consult a lawyer if accused of a crime. I would also invoke the 5th if they were asking me a question and the answer would INCRIMINATE me.
The 5th protects a citizen from self incrimination. Thus the belief that you have something to hide (something CRIMINAL) if you invoke it.
Some years ago there was a department rule that you could not take the 5th when called to testify. Officers were fired when they did so. The federal courts struck down this rule. I do recall one police lieutenant who was called before the federal grand jury and did not take the 5th, but testified that he could not recall. He was indicted for perjury and sent to prison for 3 years. If there was a coverup in this case it could also extend the statue of limitations for a civil matter. This is far from over.
Statute of limitations for a wrongful death action, in most cases, is two years. Up to a judge if this can be extended here. Even if a judge allowed it, it would be certain to be appealed.
Don't see how any extension would apply. Mother knew the son was killed. What excuse was there for the delay in filing a civil action? I think mom is out of luck there.
"Read the police report. Kochman was the initial aggressor. Vaneko shoved or punched Kochman once and Kochman fell to ground and struck his head."
hhhhmmm then my question would be, why did Vaneko run away from the scene after he was supposedly attacked by Kochman?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just because we take the fifth it shouldn't assume any guilt. The case is over nine years old. The statute of limitations has has run out. Testifying before a grand jury in a heater case opens you up to perjury or anything the state feels like charging you with. Talking from experience. Use your rights.
11/14/2013 12:29:00 AM
What statute of limitations is there on homicide?
11/14/2013 10:40:00 PM
The various parties invoking their 5th Amendment rights aren't accused of homicide. Lying, impeding a police investigation, official misconduct, whatever. You know; things that HAVE a statute of limitations.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
is the daughter of developer Jack Higgins, a longtime friend of the mayor who was chosen to build the city’s police headquarters. He recently was picked by the Illinois Medical District to redevelop part of its West Side campus.
soooooooo, anyone else see a problem with all that??
11/14/2013 09:00:00 AM
One of the problems I see is that the new medical facility will definitely be built with a decided tilt in one direction or another, just like 3510's substandard construction.
Of COURSE the City rewards a substandard job on HQ with yet another huge construction contract.
"Any police officers that had to take the Fifth in a criminal investigation should be fired. There can be no excuse. The Fifth protects you from self INCRIMINATION. That last word says everything."
Taking the 5th didn't prevent Phil Cline from becoming Supe.
Anonymous said...
Ask the idiot m/1 commander of thanks detail what happened how do u think he got that job I guess they didnt do a credit check on the bust out how couldn't pay bills and went bankrupt playing the role now he is back playing the role like people actually would respect him like a commander.
11/14/2013 03:23:00 PM
Mr. Fred G. Sanford has something to say to you. Go ahead Fred." You big dummy!"
I don't give a shit who's connected to who, and how.
Know this.., one day one of you connected fucks will step in the shit again, but this time it won't happen to a passive family, but one like mine.
When that happens.., all the cover ups in the World won't save you!
If you think covering up for some douche bag, who's family couldn't care less about the Police is a good move, think again!
Constantly asking for citizen cooperation then shitting on them the next day does nothing for the chasm between citizens and law enforcement.
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