Beat Up the Geezers
- The state's lawmakers had passed a pension bill for all of about ten minutes—socking it to little old retirees from Cairo to Waukegan—when Mayor Emanuel issued a statement to the press.
"The pension crisis is not truly solved until relief is brought to Chicago and all of the other local governments across our state that are standing on the brink of a fiscal cliff because of our pension liabilities," the mayor said in his statement released yesterday.
Translation: Let's beat up some geezers!
The geezers in question are Chicago's retired public school teachers and most likely its retired firefighters and cops, whose pensions are in debt largely because our last mayor—a man named Daley—didn't fund them adequately.
Instead, Mayor Daley took the money that was supposed to go to the pensions and spent it on other things. For which everyone in our larger civic community, Rahm Emanuel included, hailed him as a fiduciary wizard who deserved to be reelected.
Now these same people are saying, Sorry, seniors, but you're going to have to pay the price.
Because messing with geezers is what passes for reform in our great city.
The entire article is a take-down of Rahm's supposed accomplishments that are actually Rahm directing millions to his friends instead of Daley's friends.
He closes with a call to action:
He closes with a call to action:
- Just in case, my advice to the police and the firefighters is to counterpunch.
For instance, I'd like to see a big demonstration of cops and firefighters at the corner of Michigan and Cermak>, where the mayor's gearing up to waste at least $92 million in TIF dollars on a basketball arena for DePaul and a hotel for Marriott.
C'mon, fellers: if the teachers can fight back, so can you.
We would - if we had leaders ourselves. But we don't seem to at the moment.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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that's no excuse...
even a round the clock silent vigil til we get this resolved fairly would make international news.
We get a sign up going to schedule turns like for a sick friend on his death bed awaiting a miraculous recovery to keep even just a small amount of coppers, firefighters, our family and friends and anybody who wants to stand (or sit-in)with us always keeping a small torch burning to call attention to the thousands of lives (and votes) at stake.
I bet the small crowd at times at all hours would see a swell, catching on til we're uncomfortably persistent to not go away...even if there's not a huge demonstration. No yelling, no marching, no big rally or speeches...just persistence, determination, and silence. But we don't move and we don't go away til our pension and our contract and the manpower issue is brought to light.
We respectfully state our case for each when asked.
Gonna build that DePaul Basketball arena and hotel like he said he would, you bettcha. He's hired staff for it. Cost? No object. Fools will pay.
How about hanging out in the public playlot at 4228 N Hermitage, Rhambelinas hood.
Looks like Shitshanks pension is ok and $92 million for a pet project when most of the Northside is short of Police and getting wacked over the head every weekend. Brilliant politicians here. How many Cops could we hire for that much money ? Keep running the city into the ground.
How about it fop. Let's get organized. Get your heads out of your assess.
Does anyone know if the city can take your deferred comp money if they declare bankruptcy,thanks.
When I read the title of this thread I first thought it was about FOP. From Steve Robbins to the entrenched members of FOP executive board which have had a anti retiree bias for about 10 years now. There was a motion this week to allow retirees who have let their membership lapse for some reason to rejoin. They would have had a 90 day grace period to rejoin. That motion was passed on so in effect they could not vote in the upcoming election. The Park District retirees just got a royal screwing from Rahm because they do not get to vote in their elections.
For you younger guys retirees are not a threat to you. They would be allowed to vote in elections but not on contracts. So you younger guys are and always be in control of your own destiny. What they are is a asset in that many of them can get on a bus and go to Springfield or City Hall to picket without worrying about retribution.
Would someone who was at the Board of Directors meeting Tuesday please post the names of the officers who voted to keep retirees out of their limited roll as members of FOP?
1. create a pension crisis that can be used as a tool to justify a sixty-six percent state income tax increase.
2. once the tax increase is in place and as long as the taxpayers are not in the streets with pitchforks and torches then you can disregard the pension contracts and steal that pension money too by wiping out the commitment on that pension debt
3. after cheating the evil pensions and while everyone has become accustomed to the sixty-six percent temporary tax increase who's primary purpose was to fix the pensions in the first place but was spent everywhere else instead....well why not just make that temporary tax increase a permanent tax increase instead. there's no longer a pension crisis and you can enrich all your campaign donating friends with private/public partnership deals.
it's everyman for themselves. public servants my ass.
Da Mayor knows not to worry. The Obamacare death panels (devised by Da Mayor's brother) will soon take care of all those ole geezers.
the pension cola's tied to the cpi doesn't mean what you think it means.
fight back
if you can't trust the powers to honor their commitments and contracts why would anyone let the same people act as controlling custodians of what is in the pension accounts today.
they can't be trusted.
are not the pensions managed by political cronies or sitting in 'too big to fail banks' run by criminals who are controlling these political puppets.
how about demanding one-hundred percent payout and then transfer that money to one of the game changing crypto currencies, bitcoin for example,
where the banks and the government no longer set the value of what a us dollar will buy via their quantitative easing bullshit. or used for the flim-flam insider real estate deals while the connected ones skim off management fees
how do you think the closely tied public/private financial institutions would go along with losing control over the management of that pension money.
take away their toys boys..
eff me...no..no..no...eff you, you can't be trusted.
now perhaps bitcoin or digital crypto currencies seem too risky for some. in that case how about demanding payment in a hard asset such as precious metals. gold. silver. platinum. not leveraged paper financial future contracts either. i'm talking the physical metal...something that the fed can't devalue by just printing more dollars.
cost of living.
look, since 2000 in spite of the dept. of labor lies cost of living has gone up about 39 percent. who's wages have risen by that amount.
how ya think that pension is gonna look 10..15..20 years out. inflation is gonna put us in poverty.
look around.. is education cost only rising three percent a year. how about health care is that rising only three percent a year..energy and what about that sixty-six percent state income tax increase. no, that's not in the cola cpi calc.
see; Guest Post: Inflation Since 2000 Is "Not Contained" for the actual percentages.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-04/guest-post-inflation-2000-not-contained
everything that has risen substantially in cost is taken out of the cpi cost of living index.
it's a scam. a fraud. cpi and 'cost of living' statements used by the politicians doesn't mean what you think it means.
take the money out so they cannot profit on it. put it into hard physical assets. watch the chicago financial institutions beg for mercy.
We did it once. .....we can do it again.
More on the line this time.
Rally at Maggie Daley Park!!!
A family member wondered why Policemen visited no extrajudicial justice in retaliation for being stolen from since there was not nor will there ever be any help coming for from any local or federal authority...
I'm retired and living out of state now but pick at spot for a demonstration and I will be there with you. All day,everyday.
Joravsky is right.
Police and Fire should also protest at the Chicago Merchantile Exchange....
Or mavbe form human chains around connected companies HQ's ...like Walsh Construction on the near west side.....for days, or McHugh...or United Airlines....or Boeing.....
Or maybr marches in Winnetka or Glencoe at strategic points.
Start thinking.
For you younger guys retirees are not a threat to you. They would be allowed to vote in elections but not on contracts. So you younger guys are and always be in control of your own destiny. What they are is a asset in that many of them can get on a bus and go to Springfield or City Hall to picket without worrying about retribution.
Everyone complains about paying dues when they are employed. What reason would I have to be a member when I retire. Just wondering
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if the city can take your deferred comp money if they declare bankruptcy,thanks.
12/06/2013 12:34:00 AM
Interesting question.
Isn't it a city run (sponsered) mutual fund?
Does anyone know if the city can take your deferred comp money if they declare bankruptcy,thanks.
12/06/2013 12:34:00 AM
yes
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if the city can take your deferred comp money if they declare bankruptcy,thanks.
12/06/2013 12:34:00 AM
According to the people at Nationwide, your deferred account is an account between you and them, the city has no part of it. Once that money is deposited, it's the same as being sent to your bank, means the city has no legal claim to it. Or for those who think the city can reach into your bank accounts and take your money, it's like cashing your check and putting the money under your bed, the city has no access to the money.
Deferred compensation is just that, YOUR legal compensation for indentured service that cannot be taken back for work performed. Putting it into deferred comp is YOUR choice, an investment choice, whereby the contract is between you and Nationwide. The city is not a partner or custodian of your compensation or your investments. There's no possible way the city can claim ownership of your compensation, you've already earned it and it belongs to you, what you do with it after that is your choice.
The only thing the city has control over is whether or not they're going to put up with the "hassle" of having a computer deposit it in your account for you, for which they get a very small fee for.
So no, the city will never have any legal authority, either vested or given to them by the SCOIL, to take compensation for work performed back from you once it's earned.
Not ever will they get that authority.
Anonymous said...
How about hanging out in the public playlot at 4228 N Hermitage, Rhambelinas hood.
12/06/2013 12:31:00 AM
I love your idea brother. Let's name a time and date so we can fucking protest.
I was listening to the anti pension John Kass show on the radio the other day. I couldn't get in with my call. He and his anti pension/private sector comparing partner said a lot of things that were just wrong and piss you off. He stated that every day that the ex mayor wakes up, he is $500.00 richer thanks to all his pensions! If that doesn't piss you off you deserve to be treated just like the asshole you probably are!
I will either starve to death or die because, I can't afford the thousands of dollars it cost per month for the meds that keep me alive. Thank you Obama, Quinn, and Rahm. Oh, and FUCK YOU Rich Daley! I'll wait for all of you in HELL.
Would someone who was at the Board of Directors meeting Tuesday please post the names of the officers who voted to keep retirees out of their limited roll as members of FOP?
I have a better question. Would someone post the names of the board members that found Mike Shields not guilty? What about the 5900 retirees that have maintained their membership and have always paid their dues on time? How about everyone pays the same? If you owe your back dues pay them and you can get in, again like the 5900 that paid on time. What you say Ricky boy?
Don't look to the federal or state courts for help. They are in the pocket.
What's the big deal? How many retirement checks do most cops get before dying?
detroit just got the go ahead to continue with it's bankruptcy from a judge--- they want to give 15 percent of what's owed to everyone on a pension--- for example, a 5,000 dollar a month annuity just turned into 750 dollars--- that's a bitter pill to swallow for someone who doesn't qualify for social security because they paid into a pension fund--- why can't the federal government step in and borrow them some money just like they did for gm and all the mortgage bankers....
All you officers busting your ass to bring in the dime bags, write movers and parkers, and working VRI and special, your future is staring you in the face. Keep this in mind, it is not just you Rahm is F'ing, it is also your families.
Now is the time to stand and fight. If we truly want to send a message, for one month, lets not do any VRI, let them see we want more police paying into our pension, and not just creating a band aid for the problem. I know theres a lot of bust outs on this job that will refuse, because of their pee brain thinking of the "money" but if we can stand united, its a big step.
How about all city workers converge on Rahms front lawn with their dogs and do to Rahm what he's doing to us.
Anonymous said...
A family member wondered why Policemen visited no extrajudicial justice in retaliation for being stolen from since there was not nor will there ever be any help coming for from any local or federal authority...
12/06/2013 02:46:00 AM
I think mostly because what you advocate is criminal. You know, against the law.
You are grown men and women if your f.o.p. isn't doing what they are supposed to then you should. Majority of cpd read this blog, if I wanted to be future president. I know where I'd post to get a demonstration going, and probably pick up a lot of votes. If Mikey screwed up, then deal with it and move on quit complaining and do something about it organize your own demonstration.
In bankruptcy your deferred comp money would be a debt owed to you by the city just as they owe anyone else. So you would get in line with vendors etc. to get paid. In short, yes, the city could "take" your deferred comp money. However, despite posts to the contrary, Chicago is not going bankrupt nor will it do so anytime soon.
I've been ready to march, so when it happens lets not plan it on a friday. For those that don't know that's when the news gets buried.
If there is such a gathering, we should invite Javorski. We should all get to know him and give/get his cell # with a promise to call with any unseemly stuff we run into. We are at the bottom, but usually are called on to do the deed.
Can you imagine a partnership like that? A true investigative reporter with an inside view of the Department. Thing might get legit in the Department and the City.
Be proactive. Address the problem at its source. Occupy City Hall.
I am not a teacher but I marched with the teachers. I am not a cop but I will march with the cops. Unions must support each other!
OT: KaCHING$$$ St Rita speed camera & 20MPH zone on South Western between 79th/77th ... barely any signage and few children ...
HUGE fan of Joravsky-does good work. Nice to know there are journalists left in the profession.
Not a cop, but have been a reader and am definitely a police officers friend. I cant understand why you folks dont organize and really put some pressure on this rotten bag of crap called Rahm. They go on TV and make a big splash about spending billions on CTA, Parks etc which fills their back pockets with money but in the next breath they say we have to fix a pension problem. But I never see anything from the media on how pensioners both current and future are in an uproar over this crap. These crooked pols HATE bad publicity. Its time to give them some and keep it up until they get run out of this state.
i am up for whatever. let us all gather at a location like a maggot daley park or depaul stadium site and let our voices be heard. you know rahm wouldn't appreciate that his first responders are willing to fight back and then chicago citizens will know the truth how rahm treats his citizens. he will be forced into the dark spotlight in which he never could handle. this has gone on way too long. we need a plan to fight back. i know our fop is supposed to be those leaders but they obviously aren't those leaders.
does anyone know how long it would take for one to collect their pension/cash out(after being taxed of course) after resigning from this job(not retiring)? is there a mandatory time frame they need to meet or anything to release the payout? thank you
Does anyone know if the city can take your deferred comp money if they declare bankruptcy,thanks.12/06/2013 12:34:00 AM
this comes up a couple of times a year, the answer is no
In response to the post " please post the names of those BOARD Members who voted against the retirees" I know that Frank DiMaria voted against the retirees and had the gall to be out at our North Side retiree breakfast shaking the hands of all in attendance like he is one of us. The only thing I hate worse than a liar is a hypocrite.
Beat Up the Geezers
Geez I thought this was about Billy Dougherty and Harold Brown at first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1g22I_UvWg
In response to the post " please post the names of those BOARD Members who voted against the retirees" I know that Frank DiMaria voted against the retirees and had the gall to be out at our North Side retiree breakfast shaking the hands of all in attendance like he is one of us. The only thing I hate worse than a liar is a hypocrite.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
1. create a pension crisis that can be used as a tool to justify a sixty-six percent state income tax increase.
2. once the tax increase is in place and as long as the taxpayers are not in the streets with pitchforks and torches then you can disregard the pension contracts and steal that pension money too by wiping out the commitment on that pension debt
3. after cheating the evil pensions and while everyone has become accustomed to the sixty-six percent temporary tax increase who's primary purpose was to fix the pensions in the first place but was spent everywhere else instead....well why not just make that temporary tax increase a permanent tax increase instead. there's no longer a pension crisis and you can enrich all your campaign donating friends with private/public partnership deals.
it's everyman for themselves. public servants my ass.
12/06/2013 12:46:00 AM
This is about as succinct and accurate as it comes. Thank you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if the city can take your deferred comp money if they declare bankruptcy,thanks.
12/06/2013 12:34:00 AM
The city is not going to declare bankruptcy. There was a discussion about this a few years ago on here and your deferred comp is not as safe as people think it is. The money isn't held in some protected account waiting for you, so much as you're lending it to the city to use until you ask for it.
To. 1243 AM. Regarding deffered comp, I did some research in 1983, when the talks were about laying us off and the city not paying bills...to cut to the chase under the provisions of 453b (I think that's the correct federal act site) Deffered Comp technically remains the asset of the governmental agency to which the Deffered comp participant belongs. I was told then that that is the way to avoid taxes, etc. I was told then that if that situation took place in which the city took possession of the funds a participant would be one of the first in line as a creditor. The governmental entity would owe that to you ,along with owed salary pension etc. Now when everyone starts telling me I'm full of crap, I would urge you to ask the Deffered comp reps. They will start out telling you it's your money, when you push them hard they, if honest, will tell you that legally the funds remain an asset of the city, until you leave the department.
OT: Who is the hair jell who wants to turn the FOP gift store into a Starbucks?
Dump Rahm.
Dump Madigan.
Dump Cullerton.
Dump Mulroe.
Dump McAuliffe.
Dump (fill in the blank)
Ladies and Gentlemen,
This should be viewed as all out war by us. Current, retired, young guns and old guns and families of all must be in this. We need tens of thousands at a rally and hundreds keeping a 24/7 persence. We need to get CFD and the other unions to join us. If not we all will be eating cat food at some point.. We need to inform the public about our side of this issue, all they hear is the city's side. FOP and PBBA should suspend all unnecessary spending and direct those monies to media spending to get out message out. Let's pickett the movie locations too... We to pull out all stops on this. All hands on deck!
Signed a Sgt.
Looking to retire in 7 years and not be a burden on anyone.
P.S. what do you think happens to employers that don't make their required quarterly payroll tax deposits?
Re: Anonymous said...
I'm retired and living out of state now but pick at spot for a demonstration and I will be there with you. All day,everyday.
Count me in also. I am out of state as well, but just say where and when.
It's time.
OT: Who is the hair jell who wants to turn the FOP gift store into a Starbucks?
Yah that might happen, a coffee shop that every po is looking for their free cup. Great business model.
The only people complaining about the proposed amnesty for retirees, is the city wide team, led by JIm, the taper, Moriarity and Billy boy. The retirees don't have a problem with it, so why do upon? Don't start with the I'm a retiree, and I was at he meeting. The ir was only one retiree present when the vote was taken and, Vic doesn't have a computer.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: Who is the hair jell who wants to turn the FOP gift store into a Starbucks?
12/06/2013 12:43:00 PM
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Tim Murphy has no hair on his head or anything in it either.
He wants to be FOP President too. If he can't have that he'll a storm trooper for Billy. Though he's given up on attacking Shields and now has set his sights on Disability Dean as he calls him. It's a shame the dic's have no respect of beat coppers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Beat Up the Geezers
Geez I thought this was about Billy Dougherty and Harold Brown at first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1g22I_UvWg
12/06/2013 12:09:00 PM
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Now that's funny!
OT: KaCHING$$$ St Rita speed camera . . .
... Just one more reason to not send your Son there. Now before all you SR Mustang tuff-guys blow up the blog, lighten up, it was just a joke. I can already see your reddened cheeks (Facial) LOL
Just did a little research on the internet. Rahm's net worth is only 14 million dollars. Also, I think he will qualify for a 52K pension at age 62. Why doesn't the FOP and other unions broadcast this? After all, he wants to cut off our pensions.
Tip: Deferred comp (457 plans) accounts are portable. This means that if you leave your job you can move your deferred comp into another similar account.
So, if you're leaving your job in the near future and have a lot invested in deferred comp, take your money out of your city account and move it into a similarly designated account at a a broker or investment firm. This effectively takes your nut out of the claws of thieving gov't rodents.
Another advantage to deferred comp is that by Illinois law, timely withdrawals will not be subject to state tax. Good way to avoid state taxes on lump sum payouts at retirement that can be thrown into deferred comp accounts.
Someone posted this link on another thread and I had a minute, so I went to check it out.
SCC, maybe a thread on former Mayor Richard M. Daley's various pension incomes would be in order right about now? With appropriate details on how he weaseled his way into GETTING those various pension payouts. The former mayor is doing QUITE well for himself at the public trough, and that's BEFORE you factor in his made up jobs at the U of C, the soda pop company board and the law firm that brokered the parking meter deal.
Here's the link where you can read it all. Looks like they're quoting an earlier Tribune investigation.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/11630-chicago-tribune-uncovers-pension-scams-of-ex-mayor-daley-and-friends
"Those pensions were made possible by a little-known provision slipped into a much larger pension bill that passed in 1991. We went back to that larger piece of legislation and found that besides a sweetener for labor leaders receiving public pensions, it also included one for Chicago aldermen…
Among the records we received back were hundreds of pages dealing with former Mayor Richard M. Daley…
Here’s how Daley did it: As a member of the Illinois state senate and then as the Cook County State’s Attorney, Daley joined, and contributed to, the legislative pension plan, the General Assembly Retirement System, or GARS, until he was elected mayor in 1989. Under the new rules, he rejoined GARS for one month which qualified him for retirement benefits at 85 percent of his mayor’s salary. That meant that, at his age 49, he could have retired at age 55 with a pension benefit of $97,750 a year, far higher than the $20,686 he would have received if he hadn’t rejoined GARS.
He went on, however, to win five more terms as mayor and now receives a pension of $183,778 per year — $15,314 a month — which is about $50,000 more each year than he otherwise would have received had he not made the jump into, and out of, GARS back in 1991.
Daley was able to take advantage of another sweet deal built into the pension bill that he helped pass: He was able to “purchase” years of benefits from his legislative days to add to his pension benefits, which would normally have cost him about $540,000, just by transferring his GARS credits of $128,000 over to his own pension plan, neatly saving him over $400,000.
Today GARS is only 21 percent funded with unfunded liabilities of $235 million. The only way that shortfall can be made up is by taxing Chicago residents."
OT: Who is the hair jell who wants to turn the FOP gift store into a Starbucks?
12/06/2013 12:43:00 PM
Put the Shields Bros. behind the counter and pump the profits into the pension fund. Good idea.
The deferred comp question. It is the City's money otherwise it would not be deferred. There was a case in Ohio years ago where a city wanted to use it as collateral and a judge intervened and say no. As for bankruptcy, not being a lawyer, I would image it would become part of the bankruptcy hearing. After all, it is the city's money as it was tax deferred as a 401 K.
OT: KaCHING$$$ St Rita speed camera & 20MPH zone on South Western between 79th/77th ... barely any signage and few children ...
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Download Trapster onto your smartphones!
It works to let you know where all of Rahms "for the children" speed cameras and red light cameras, that are being installed from an out of the city vendor!
Yet, we are NOT allowed to live outside of this shitty city while city work is farmed out to Rahms buddies in the Suburbs and Exurbs!
Something that all City unions fail to address about farming out work and eliminating city jobs!
OT: Speaking of beating up on the geezers, North Korea has reportedly released U.S. citizen, 85-year-old Merrill Newman, the Korean war veteran they illegally imprisoned for the last month. At least he'll be home with his family this Christmas.
"I think mostly because what you advocate is criminal. You know. Against the law."
12/06/2013 08:52:00 AM
And stealing from Policemen with both hands is somehow ok?
Uhhhhh... What color is the sky in YOUR world?
Taxpayer here. I agree you need to start organizing with the other city unions and inform the public of what's going on. March on city hall along with other locations, get some bill boards going and get your side in the papers and on Tv. Keep the pressure on constantly. If your union officials won't help organize then do it yourselves. But you need to rally all the rank and file to be a success.
Not all citizens are in the dark when it comes to Rahm. A lot of folks don't like him or his policies. And he seems to have a bottomless bucket of money available when he needs it for other things. I'm tired of his dog and pony show. He sets off all my alarm bells.
Take a stand and don't let him get the upper hand in this fight.
Simple solution here...we take to the streets armed to the teeth and take what is rightfully ours!
Anonymous said...
OT: Speaking of beating up on the geezers, North Korea has reportedly released U.S. citizen, 85-year-old Merrill Newman, the Korean war veteran they illegally imprisoned for the last month. At least he'll be home with his family this Christmas.
12/06/2013 08:23:00 PM
I hope he killed many North Koreans back in the day.
Harold Brown and Bob Podgorny told me after the north side breakfast Wednesday that Frank DiMaria who was there shilling for votes had actually voted against the retirees less than 24 hours before at the fop board of directors meeting. He does not want any new retirees in fop until after the election. What a POS. Why were any of us eating Wednesday morning a threat to you Frank? Please come back next month so we can tell face to face what we think of you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: Who is the hair jell who wants to turn the FOP gift store into a Starbucks?
12/06/2013 12:43:00 PM
Put the Shields Bros. behind the counter and pump the profits into the pension fund. Good idea.
12/06/2013 07:14:00 PM
Actually I thought Sid Davis and Kevin Graham would do nicely. But then we would have to make the counter so short that there would be no room for product. Kind of reminds me of the midget bar that used to be on 63rd Street.
Plus 56 short would eat all of the profits.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just did a little research on the internet. Rahm's net worth is only 14 million dollars. Also, I think he will qualify for a 52K pension at age 62. Why doesn't the FOP and other unions broadcast this? After all, he wants to cut off our pensions.
12/06/2013 06:25:00 PM
If Emanuel's net worth is only $14million, then it's time to look at AMY's net worth and that of each child as well as any blind trusts.
What the Hell is your reason for wanting the retiree's out of this Union so much ? You say that they don't pay in enough dues. What about all the years dues they did pay in. A lot more years than the poster who signed off,
" what say you now Ricky Boy" I guess you must be referring to Rick King who I guess made the motion to let the retiree's have a 90 day amnesty from the fine imposed on them if they haven't been a member
continuously . What did they cost the Lodge while they were not a member ? What benefits did they receive while not a member ? What costs does the Lodge incur when they return to the Lodge. Those retiree's were the Officers that formed this Union long before you came on this job and reaped the benefits of their organizing. you don't have a clue what it was like on this job back then, no more than 56 hours on the books, nothing for going to court if you had 56 hours on the books and if you didn't have those hours you got hour for hour straight time. Not time and a half, Money wasn't an option, If you went to court for 30 minutes that's what you got , 30 minutes on the books. There was no opportunity to make any money in overtime the only way you increased your income was by working a side job, or secondary employment as it was called back then. Up to 20 hours a week I think. But of course that was only if your Watch Commander "approved" your secondary employment request.If he didn't approve it and you got caught working a side job on your own time, you could get fired or at least get time or they took time from you. So you better have enough movers and parkers or you don't work. we worked on election day for no additional pay because "it was our Civic duty, that was usually an 18 hour day for no additional pay. There are many other abuses but this post is getting too long. Just remember when you want to ban
those guys that fought the boss's and the city to get the benefits you now tell us YOU protect, because they forgot to pay their
union dues out of their "$23,000
a year pension, and you don't want to let them rejoin and start paying dues again stop to think about just who it is you are trying to Fuck.
What YOU say now BILLY BOY ???
signed
Not Rick King
Another advantage to deferred comp is that by Illinois law, timely withdrawals will not be subject to state tax. Good way to avoid state taxes on lump sum payouts at retirement that can be thrown into deferred comp accounts.
Dont understand about timely withdrawals. No taxes on payouts at retirement is true, but no state taxes on withdrawals. Where does it say that?
I am a retiree. I paid my $40.00 For what? I can buy a FOP book for what, $3.00 and a new sticker for a buck or two. What the fuck do I get for $40.00? A newsletter mailed? So fucking what. I read it online for free before it comes in the mail anyway. If I get in a shooting I am on my own.
This is it. Fuck them. They aren't getting my $40 next year. I'll buy the FOP Book and sticker for under $10 when I go get free pizza and beer. Let me get on the winning side of this equation for a change.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"I think mostly because what you advocate is criminal. You know. Against the law."
12/06/2013 08:52:00 AM
And stealing from Policemen with both hands is somehow ok?
Uhhhhh... What color is the sky in YOUR world?
12/06/2013 09:55:00 PM
I may be old but two wrongs still don't make a right. I can only control my own behavior. Throughout my career all the idiots that ever got snagged up in something never successfully pulled off the "but those guys are more crooked than me" defense.
I've seen more than a few guy go to prison crying who were real tough guys previously.
I have a clear conscience, I don't give a shit what you say, do or think.
To the cry baby retiree, hey why should you all of a sudden just pay this year membership when I have been retired for the last 15 years and have paid the last 15 years... How is at fair, pay back what you haven't paid in and then you can come back otherwise STOP YOUR BITCHING......
And another thing, why isn't the 2nd or 3rd VP position the retiree position on the Board and maybe 5 or 6 trustee positions.
How about this, maybe because the Board is soon going to be made up of retirees some of who have been retired for over 15 years, but they are going to know what's best for the current officer?...
Some contract issues have changed and work schedules etc. but some guy who has been retired for 15 years is going to b my rep on the Board, thanks but no thanks, seriously, like the clown Trevino, or BURNS, or Rick King, or Shogren, have you called anyone a boy lately??
Do you think the Citywide guys are in the subways sucker punching people from behind too? I hope non e of those guys are taking trips to NYC.
I am retired and in a bit of a rut…I have a comfortable-amount of dough in the city's Deferred Comp…..it's going on 1 month since I called and asked the procedure to withdraw a partial amount…this in itself was no easy thing, as it took several calls to speak to a human…once I got through, she told me she couldn't help me and would have to take a message and have someone call me back, which no-one did…the next day I called and had to speak to several different people, ALL of which put me on hold. Finally some resolve, as this person said that she would e-mail me an application to fill out…she did, but there appeared to be so many superfluous fill-in boxes and titles of positions and codes etc. that I found myself calling back, again getting the run around…I was told that IF I'm retired, I need a letter to that effect, with a dept. letterhead and an official CPD,authorized person signing it…well the obvious response ensued, in that I AM retired and had deposited this money from a CPD payroll check, etc. etc…..to no avail!.. So AHA! I thought, I'd just call back and get a supervisor…nope, none available, leave a message…2 days later, I did get a call back from a lady, that told me, it's no big deal, she'll send me the appl. with the required info. highlighted in yellow!…WOW, great! except I've received nothing in past 2 weeks….So, I'm passing my story on in hopes that someone has an anecdote…Monday, I'm making a trip into city,and personally request my money, in any form available!..ie, bullion, cashiers check, money order, direct deposit?…I'll keep ya posted…remember, this is only for a small withdrawal AND I was told, there will be a 20% tax on ANY amount I withdraw…sorry for the lengthy rant, but it helped me vent…ALL of my $ is going to be invested elsewhere, after speaking to a financial advisor. UNLESS people have had much less hassle than I, I would advise ya'll do the same!
Some contract issues have changed and work schedules etc. but some guy who has been retired for 15 years is going to b my rep on the Board, thanks but no thanks, seriously, like the clown Trevino, or BURNS, or Rick King, or Shogren, have you called anyone a boy lately??
12/07/2013 01:44:00 PM
Hey south side mount greenwood Hillbilly were not some of these guys on your ticket last time? Didn't they drop you to go to other tickets because they know that this pile of shit is only the top of the iceberg. Wait to the real shit hits. Mark is retired but you and Frank and Rich are going to lucky to keep the job. What about all of law suits the lodge settled while Mark was President? How much did they cost us? Now that's were we should be filing FOIA requests. And the other goof is not child but a court jester or midget clown who turned out to be a two faced lying sack of horse mature.
"I may be old but two wrongs don't make a right. I can only control my own behavior. Throughout my career all the idiots that ever got snagged up in something never successfully pulled off the "but those guys are more crooked than me" defense.
I've seen more than a few guys go to prison crying who were real tough guys previously.
I have a clear conscience. I don't give a shit what you say, do or think."
12/07/2013 11:53:00 AM
Another reading & comprehension challenged hard headed tough guy heard from...
Ok old guy. Where, if anywhere in the original post, was it advocated that Policemen do ANYTHING against the law?
Don't let what you THINK you're reading interfere with the actual content of what was posted.
You're a full on, cock-strong hard-head m/fer conjuring up an argumentation out of thin air.
And we STILL say a price in skin should be paid for stealing from Policemen.
There ARE ways to exact said payment and be within the law.
Both nuance and clarity slip through your fingers because your fists are clenched, old guy...
Congrats on having a clear conscience. You're not the only one, old guy... Not by any stretch.
You not giving a shit really doesn't mean shit to anybody but YOU.
You fought everyday and everybody was an asshole/jag-off/dog but you during your time on the job, right?
Classy...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: Who is the hair jell who wants to turn the FOP gift store into a Starbucks?
12/06/2013 12:43:00 PM
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Tim Murphy has no hair on his head or anything in it either.
He wants to be FOP President too. If he can't have that he'll a storm trooper for Billy. Though he's given up on attacking Shields and now has set his sights on Disability Dean as he calls him. It's a shame the dic's have no respect of beat coppers.
12/06/2013 05:34:00 PM
Are you sure you heard Tim call Angelo disability Dean? I think he my wind up running with Angelo. But he does use the same rhetoric that the Irish Hillbilly uses. Carlos Cortez and Tom McDonagh could be good choices.
Anonymous said...
Another advantage to deferred comp is that by Illinois law, timely withdrawals will not be subject to state tax. Good way to avoid state taxes on lump sum payouts at retirement that can be thrown into deferred comp accounts.
Dont understand about timely withdrawals. No taxes on payouts at retirement is true, but no state taxes on withdrawals. Where does it say that?
12/07/2013 10:20:00 AM
Illinois tax code. Retirement income is not subject to Illinois Income Tax. So instead of taking your payout of CU time, V-Days etc, port that money over to deferred comp and then take it out or whatever you are going to do with it. You save 5% off the top for doing that. Pension Board will explain if it is your retirement time. Take the check direct from the City and you are on the hook for 5% Illinois Income Tax.
...remember, this is only for a small withdrawal AND I was told, there will be a 20% tax on ANY amount I withdraw…sorry for the lengthy rant, but it helped me vent…ALL of my $ is going to be invested elsewhere, after speaking to a financial advisor. UNLESS people have had much less hassle than I, I would advise ya'll do the same!
12/07/2013 04:56:00 PM
Call your accountant before you take the money out. There's a twist in the IRS code that allows first responders to draw their pension after age 50, instead of being hit with a tax penalty and there may be an out for you, too, because you're officially retired and, presumably, over 50.
I retired a couple of years ago and the IRS tried to penalize me an additional 10% in taxes, plus penalties, for taking my PENSION at age 56! My tax attorney photocopied the pertinent tax code and sent it to the author of the IRS demand-letter and we got a release within two weeks. Don't let them steal your money.
OT: KaCHING$$$ St Rita speed camera & 20MPH zone on South Western between 79th/77th ... barely any signage and few children ...
Speed camera on Peterson, between Jersey and Lincoln, west side of bridge. NO SIGNS warning motorists of it's presence. The only indication that it's there is the strobe light going off like you were at an '80s dance party.
OT: KaCHING$$$ St Rita speed camera & 20MPH zone on South Western between 79th/77th ... barely any signage and few children ...
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Download Trapster onto your smartphones!
It works to let you know where all of Rahms "for the children" speed cameras and red light cameras, that are being installed from an out of the city vendor!
I have it and it works great! I use it every day when I'm in the car. With the audio warning feature it helps to remind you that you are coming up to a red light or speed camera, especially useful if you get distracted and forget it's there.
Would someone who was at the Board of Directors meeting Tuesday please post the names of the officers who voted to keep retirees out of their limited roll as members of FOP?
12/06/2013 12:38:00 AM
Two days and still waiting for the list. Why?
Would someone who was at the Board of Directors meeting Tuesday please post the names of the officers who voted to keep retirees out of their limited roll as members of FOP?
12/06/2013 12:38:00 AM
Two days and still waiting for the list. Why?
12/08/2013 10:52:00 AM
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Please get informed. There was no vote to exclude retirees from FOP who are delinquent. The vote was only to defer Bill Burns committee report until the next meeting. You got nothing kid!
Sid Davis is "revising " the minutes of the meeting which recorded the roll call vote. ( much to the City Wide Teams chagrin ) If Sid's new
method of recording the minutes is any indicator he will probably record
Bill Dougherty as voting for the resolution and Rick King (the maker of the resolution) voting against it.
Sorry Sid, your a good guy but your being in bed with the Dougherty / Jim Moriarity team has given you fleas.
Illinois tax code. Retirement income is not subject to Illinois Income Tax. So instead of taking your payout of CU time, V-Days etc, port that money over to deferred comp and then take it out or whatever you are going to do with it. You save 5% off the top for doing that. Pension Board will explain if it is your retirement time. Take the check direct from the City and you are on the hook for 5% Illinois Income Tax.
Thanks for the info. Sure hope you are right because I thought that pertaining to income while retired, not income when you retired. Will bring it up to my accountant and see what he says
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Illinois tax code. Retirement income is not subject to Illinois Income Tax. So instead of taking your payout of CU time, V-Days etc, port that money over to deferred comp and then take it out or whatever you are going to do with it. You save 5% off the top for doing that. Pension Board will explain if it is your retirement time. Take the check direct from the City and you are on the hook for 5% Illinois Income Tax.
Thanks for the info. Sure hope you are right because I thought that pertaining to income while retired, not income when you retired. Will bring it up to my accountant and see what he says
12/08/2013 07:15:00 PM
You can't touch your deferred account until you retire. When you turn in your papers you select what to do with the money the City owes you, CU, V-Days etc. Hopefully you haven't already maxed out on contributions so you put in as much as possible to your deferred account. Then after the effective date of your retirement, do what you will, let it sit or take a withdrawal. No 5% Illinois Income Tax since it is then considered retirement income.
Same as your pension checks. No Illinois Income Tax due on pension checks, it is retirement income. Call pension board to confirm. It saves you 5%.
Anonymous said...
Illinois tax code. Retirement income is not subject to Illinois Income Tax. So instead of taking your payout of CU time, V-Days etc, port that money over to deferred comp and then take it out or whatever you are going to do with it. You save 5% off the top for doing that. Pension Board will explain if it is your retirement time. Take the check direct from the City and you are on the hook for 5% Illinois Income Tax.
Thanks for the info. Sure hope you are right because I thought that pertaining to income while retired, not income when you retired. Will bring it up to my accountant and see what he says
12/08/2013 07:15:00 PM
from Kiplinger tax guide:
Illinois does not tax distributions from qualified employee benefit plans, including 401(k) plans; IRAs or self-employed retirement plans; traditional IRAs that have been converted to Roth IRAs; the redemption of U.S. retirement bonds; state and local government deferred compensation plans; government retirement or government disability plans, including military plans; Railroad Retirement income; retirement payments to retired partners; and lump-sum distributions of appreciated employer securities.
http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/retirement/T055-S001-state-by-state-guide-to-taxes-on-retirees/index.php?map=&state_id=14&state=Illinois
Anonymous said...
Would someone who was at the Board of Directors meeting Tuesday please post the names of the officers who voted to keep retirees out of their limited roll as members of FOP?
12/06/2013 12:38:00 AM
Two days and still waiting for the list. Why?
12/08/2013 10:52:00 AM
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Please get informed. There was no vote to exclude retirees from FOP who are delinquent. The vote was only to defer Bill Burns committee report until the next meeting. You got nothing kid!
12/08/2013 03:58:00 PM
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It was put off for a a month because then it would be too late for a returning Retiree to vote in the next election.
Anonymous said...
Would someone who was at the Board of Directors meeting Tuesday please post the names of the officers who voted to keep retirees out of their limited roll as members of FOP?
12/06/2013 12:38:00 AM
Two days and still waiting for the list. Why?
12/08/2013 10:52:00 AM
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Please get informed. There was no vote to exclude retirees from FOP who are delinquent. The vote was only to defer Bill Burns committee report until the next meeting. You got nothing kid!
12/08/2013 03:58:00 PM
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It was put off for a a month because then it would be too late for a returning Retiree to vote in the next election.
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The election is not until February 2014. How many retirees are we even talking about? This is such a non-issue. The real issue is that Shields forgot to send in the "letter." We are not getting retro and our pensions will be based on a lower salary because of this blunder.
What is this error/omission really costing the members? Secondly, will Mike go to arbitration or appeal the Labor Board's second dismissal of the FOP's ULP. Lastly, will Billy D. retain Paul Geigher, if he wins the election? These are the questions that should be answered by FOP and the candidates.
Who's zoomin' who?
Starbucks is evil coffee. Look what it has done to the north side.
Keep it out of FOP.
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