Pension Editorial
It's short, so we'll post the whole thing from the Tribune:
- As a police officer serving this city for over 20 years, I had to respond to your editorial concerning pension reform for the city of Chicago ("Next for pension reform: Chicago," Editorial, Dec. 8). You cannot compare police officers to any other profession. It's apples to oranges.
In the past two decades I've been punched, kicked, hit by cars, bit, spit upon and shot at. Several broken bones, stitches and surgeries have been a part of my career. I took this job and an oath; I would lay my life on the line to save others. I was made a promise for my sacrifice that when I could no longer serve the public, I would be taken care of.
The life expectancy in the U.S. may be 78, but not for the police. On the same day in the same paper you published your editorial, I read the obituaries of two Chicago police officers, one active member, 51 years old, and the other retired, 67 years old. Now tell us again about our life expectancy and how we retire too early.
— Tyler Partyka, Chicago
Nicely done Officer. We're going to need a lot more personal stories like this to sway the public.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
122 Comments:
The national average life expectancy of a police officer after he or she retires is only 18 months
Unfortunately we don't have a voice in this city.
We don't have any pull around here.
The public believes what the media works so hard to make them believe about us.
The public also needs to be informed that our pension is not a "freebee" that we pay into every two weeks. And maybe most importantly, that the political scum borrowed, stole, mismanaged, abused and underfunded the pension. We also DO NOT get social security.
Excellent. Its time the people who protect us stand up and fight this crap. There is a vast silent majority behind you.
Well done, well said from a entire family of CPD workers
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
The Tribune carries water for the criminal-political class (RMD) and their corporatist masters like Rahm, Msall and Rauner et al. (The Gold Coast & North Shore Cocktail Party/Political Fundraiser Circuit) who have intentionally underfunded our pension and doled out OUR pension money to the likes of Alison Davis and Richard Vanecko of D.V. Realty like OUR pension was THEIR personal petty cash drawer.
The joyful haters are fixated on wanting to see The Police take a bad hair-cut no matter what.
The Tribune editorial was intentionally misleading, poorly researched and intellecually lazy.
They are determined to not let 50+ years of research and actuarial studies regarding Police mortality/quality of life upon surviving a tour of duty get in the way of their "blame the Police" propaganda.
It really doesn't matter whether that tour of duty lasts 20 or 40 years...
We wish every member of the Tribune editorial board and their families, friends and loved ones one night of a Policeman's nightmares.
"Why are you Cops so angry and anti-social?"
When you see people of the criminal-political class arrayed against you to steal the rest of what is yours that they couldn't get the first time doesn't put you in a charitable mood.
Of course it is doubly insulting when a complicit and compliant media piles on to turn the public against any cares and concerns of The Police.
Guardians of the public trust in a dead dog's ass...
"The Police ARE the problem in Chicago... Once we fix THEM, everything else will fall in place."
Oh yeah... Just so you know.
Absolutely NOTHING will change at ground level in Chicago by making The Police take a bad haircut....
NOTHING!
I commend Sgt. Tyler Partyka on sending this letter to the editor of a newspaper that is in the business of $elling papers, not necessarily reporting the truth...and I am shocked this rag printed his letter!
I have celebrated way too many funerals for PO's and bosses who have died much too young.
I hope, thanks to input like Tyler's, that the public will eventually come to realize the shortened life expectancy of those who perform the extraordinary acts our members voluntarily step up to do on a daily basis.
God bless you all in your work! Please know you are in the daily prayers of your CPD chaplains.
Fr. Dan Brandt, CPD Chaplain
773/550-2369
dan.brandt@chicagopolice.org
www.ChicagoPCM.org
The Fed is set to start raising interest rates. This means a bump in inflation and a higher cost of living.
That in turn means the pensions of those born after 1955, who do not get a COLA, will lose value as their buying power erodes further.
Tell me how the public would respond if cost of living increases were diminished for Social Security.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force
I don't recall the Air Force having an Infantry unit.
STFU Pog.
Devil Doc
I'm sorry, but when we talk like this it endears us to no one. Seriously? You expect a citizen to read this and have tear run from their eye? All the citizen is thinking is that you're not the only one who has it so rough. There are a lot of people who are constantly looking over there shoulder wondering is there company going to downsize, will they be laid off, how will they find another job, they have shitty bosses, get complained to by customers, don't get paid vacations or sick days, they have been on unemployment, they have families to take care of and bills to pay, they have no idea when they'll be able to retire and they certainly won't have a fixed income when they retire.
If you can't see this, then you've obviously never worked in the private sector and I'd venture to guess you've have no friends or relatives who have either.
Even though I agree with the concept of what you are saying, we as the police need to find a new way to argue this. Toting ourselves around as heroes is not the way to get anyone on our side.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
To this person I would like to say STFU! You maybe right but what are we suppose to do sit back and get nothing when we retire? The answer is No, we should fight to get what was promised to us when were hired. The military should expect to get what they were promised when they were hired or enlisted. Nobody should be a door mat to the politicians, because ultimately they are the reason there is a pension crisis to begin with! So stop being a door mat you douche!
I posted in 2008 that the pension fund would be belly up sometime between 2018 and 2022. Almost all the responses were very negative. I just stated that you should be prepared for it.
The benefits are going to be altered. You can mention the state constitution, the lack of city participation, anything you want to mention. It will be done. The FOP and the elected Pension trustees should have known this, but they did nothing to address it.
The couple of elected trustees I had met when I was on the job were clueless about finances.
The FOP seems to be a joke-- The disability rate in 2012 soared over actuarial numbers - why? and the FOP has someone on disability in a position of power? Cannot he or she handle paperwork at 35th as an example ? Another paid FOP person actually forgave the city's contribution in past years. Is this the type of forward thinker you want to represent the FOP?
old retired guy
To 0143hrs, 20+ years in the infantry is a choice just as 29 and a day in a beat car is a choice.
Instead of crying me a river, how about crying me a foxhole.
To everyone else who has served and is still serving, thank you. To you, toolbag, go pound sand.
What is the average time that a CPD retiree collects the pension befor passing away?
Anonymous said...
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
Settle down, Rambo. You were allegedly in the Air Force, hardly an infantry position.
You signed up for what you signed up for, I signed up for what I signed up for. We both want what we were told we would get. Is that really so hard to understand?
We won't be able to sway the public because the a great majority of the public does not care about the police. The only time they do care is when they need us. The city made a promise and we take an oath. As far as I am concerned the city breaking its promise voids the oath. I will take care of my fellow officers, their families and the decent citizens. The mutts, they can deal with their own shit.
The problem is that the police kept voting for the same Dems now sticking it to them. Guess what-the South Side scumbags are the D voter base and more important to them than your pension or your life.
Nicely stated Tyler,hope something good happens with this letter.....TVH
Fr Dan Brandt for superintendent!!
Nice job Bing!
Old Retired Guy Here. My Question Is This. If The Money Is Not There ? If It Was Never Properly Funded, and Monitored ? Let's Find Out Why ? Let's Hold A Grand Jury Style Hearing or Hearing's Into Who Was Responsible, and Why They Were Irresponsible In Their Duties. Let's See Someone "LOUSE THEIR PENSION" Not Doing The proper Job With Ours.
Better Yet, Let's See If They Are Criminally Responsible. PUT THEM IN JAIL !!!!!
Anonymous said...
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
Hey Dickhead,
The Military takes care of their own as well as their families. They have health care, PX privileges, VA Care after they leave. It may not be the best deal in town but far better then we have it. Yes they earned every dollar of it and God bless them all as well as their families but to compare them to us is apples and oranges.
To Cry Me a River,
You, too, are comparing apples and oranges. and being a jerk about it.
I, too, served in the infantry. After discharge I went to college on the GI Bill then came on CPD for 29 Years. I have friends who've stayed in the army for 20+ years and there is no comparison, just varying degrees of suck.
While we hear about all those deployed multiple times and seeing much combat, we don't hear that that is really a small minority. Military members who stay in for 20+ years don't serve in combat for 20+ years. Training is tough but it's not combat. Maintaining equipment is tough but it's not combat. Dealing with a retarded First Sergeant who might or might not have a GED is tough but it's not combat.
What about combat on our city streets? Sure, we don't have pitched battles with all the chaos of battle but we do have combat, usually hand-to-hand, rarely fatal, but it is still combat. And as long as you work the street it doesn't end. In my time OJT I never shot anyone but I was in countless physical altercations. My last, shortly before I retired, was a girl with a knife. She was 18, I was 56. I didn't need to shoot her so I didn't but is that combat or not? You tell me, hero.
When I was in the army, forty years ago now, maybe 10% of the military served in combat arms. I don't know the percentage now but it certainly isn't much higher.
Yes military pay is lower and you do spend a lot of time away from loved ones. But most military members are not ever going to be put into harms way and they know it. In police work, you are driving around, dry, fed and warm, everything good in the world then all of a sudden, somebody decides to turn your little corner of the world into a combat zone. It happens to too many coppers every day in the US, regardless of time of day, day of week, holiday or not. No warning, no time to prepare, no time to say goodbye to your loved ones.
Merry Christmas
"Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession."
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That wasn't a very professional thing to say. Are you proud to rival law enforcement, whose job never ends, with military service? War comes and goes. Crime never stops. Ever. Military service gets saluted while cops get disrespected and treated as pawns. Go bitch about cops on a military site, don't blabber on a cop blog. Or better yet voice your opinion in person so you can be called an asshole to your face by your rank and file.
12/11/2013 01:34:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
Take away free medical,PX, housing and educational deals then you can cry a river. How about we yank your pension and other benefits deals after twenty years. By the way twenty years as an 11B doesn't translate to twenty years in combat. Next time someone is coming through your bedroom window at 0darkthirty call the Marines.
Anonymous said...
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
Congrats on your service.......A CHOICE you made as do we as police. Hopefully you get all that benefits you were promised when you raised your right hand and promised to serve.....just the same as we did here at hoime.
The national average life expectancy of a police officer after he or she retires is only 18 months
BS. If that were true, there would be no pension crisis.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
I appreciate your service, and the service of all the service men and woman but it is different in this comparison. This post is about the CPD pension, and the changes that politicians are attempting to make that will lessen our pension rights.
Most of is that joined up for the department knew what we were being promised at the end of the road, and to pull that away half way trough is unconscionable.
Of course being away from your family for long periods of time is tougher that what police officers have to do, but this article is about the job conditions of the two different careers. This is about broken promises. I'm sorry that you sound disappointed with the choice to join the infantry, but didn't you expect most of the things you described? This editorial describes working conditions of a police officer, and while they're not ideal, they unfortunately part of the job. We agreed to those work conditions, as you did, in exchange for the pay and benefits offered. To have those benefits altered is unfair, that's the message of the editorial in my opinion.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
"Cry me a river."
While we do realize the sacrifices made by ALL (Air Force included)of those who serve our country in the military, the person writing the editorial was speaking about a civilian job. Like those who serve for the citizens here, have paid the dues here, and live with the treatment here.
At no time did the Police Officer deviate from the message of working in THIS city and the sacrifices and treatment we go through from citizens IN OUR OWN COUNTRY.
Yes it would look like we work in "paradise" if we worked in a suburban city that has virtually no crime and deal with traffic enforcement each day. And yes, we do derisively sneer at suburban police who don't deal with the type of crime we in Chicago have. But we understand at the same time the dangers they face on that traffic stop, that domestic call, or that bank robbery in progress.
It's not "paradise" working in the city of Chicago as a Police Officer. We DO deserve from our city that which was promised us when we took this job.
Yes I knew the dangers that could befall me on this job when I got on 23 years ago. I still took it not only for the benefits, the honor and privilege that goes along with it, but for how I feel working for those in need I can help. Sort of like what those who go into military service know before joining. So please, don't compare my job to those in our military, which the military is far more difficult.
I have several family members, in-laws, and friends serving this great country now, and in the past. I thank them often and hope my sons follow in their footsteps as they have expressed to me and my wife.
Finally, and by far most important. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I thank you for ALL the sacrifices you made for me, my family, and our nation in your service for our country in the military.
GOD bless you, and may GOD bless the Chicago Police and Fire Departments.
Retire as soon as you can, and I speak from experience. I left the job at 55 years of age, after 35 years of service. The health problems were starting to show up . I quit smoking in my early 40's and tried to watch my diet and exercised, but that only slowed down the health problems. I have to many funerals for former co-workers and most of them did not make it out of their 60's. The job takes an awful emotional and physical toll on you and you just don't realize it until you are much older, if you get much older that is.
And while we're at it...
Nobody says nothing about our toxic Police facilities that are killing more Coppers than anything else.
Seriously.
how many Coppers do we all know that have gotten sick and died from various cancers and upper respiratory ailments?
Chicago's dirty, not so little secret.
We know of quite a few Coppers from 006, 007, 011, 012, 013 and other places who have succumbed to these ghastly diseases.
We feel sorry for you guys in the new 012... The city knew the site was tainted with asbestos butr in true "eff you Coppers" style, they went ahead and bulit the station after "cleaning up" the site... >wink&nod<
The city KNOWS about these toxic, cancer-cluster facilities.
How can they not? The evidence is in those big fat binders at the Medical Section.
And speaking of H.Q.
We heard that the high tech x-ray machine at the front door is not in use anymore...
The Copper who manned that post is supposedly battling cancer.
The city is cavalier about exposing Policemen to these hazards based on the view that Policemen don't matter in their eyes and are considered disposable.
Work a shit doo-doo job that everyone opines they can do better than you...
The 20 to 40 years of stress, grief and flat out aggravation of working said job that everyone has an opinion about but will run the other way from actually doing.
The sacrifice of time away from your family and trading a normal life-style for one where fear and uncertainty are a major component.
The physical price that Policemen pay that can make them old men before their time...
The willing trade of good years off your life in lieu of your faithful service and the promise of whole, unmolested, unfucked-with delayed compensation in the form of a pension as reward for your willing trade...
In 2006, my financial advisor down at the Retirement Planning Section of the CPFCU told me that retirees dying very early is not always true and that if you survive the first two years, the average life expectancy is seventeen years. Get yourself a plan; a little exercise, eat a little better, try and get a good nights sleep, and stay out of the bars!
Retired 16 years.......
when does the media tell the truth? they "report" and that term allows them to tell variations of the story. they report in a biased fashion everyday. why doesn't the media report truth of our pension? no, instead they report in the bias fashion to give citizens the idea that we are money hungry even though we were promised our pension and we pay into our own pension out of every paycheck. report the truth of how our snaky mayors refused to fulfill their obligations of putting their portion into our pension fund. instead they pissed away our future retirement on their pet/friend projects. the TRUTH in chicago hurts our politicians therefore lies pile on top of other lies that get swept under the rug daily. being the police in chicago allows us to see the actual dirt of this city more than anyone else besides those(politicians/alderman) that are committing the dirt.
To 1:43 am: who the Fk are you, and when did this turn into a dick measuring game son. Many CPD have served including myself, a decade in the Infantry with 2 tours. Ya it sucked sometimes but the benefits were great, better benefits than anywhere. College, tax free $ overseas pay, great medical. You need to slap yourself and recognize the sacrifices that a lot of CPD have made and make everyday, and what we have to deal with everyday. Loser families that suck off an already broke system and their only way thru life is with the purple visa and the dope game. The city is drowning in illegals trying to get benefits that already can now get drivers licenses even though they are ILLEGAL. And most beat coppers haven't driven a squad car that has under 100,000miles in who knows how long. We run towards gunfire, get into fights, get called every name in the book, have shoddy equipment, we pay for our uniforms and equipment including our weapons. And each day we maintain our bearing stone faced and unopinionated, except when crooked politicians try to take away the one thing that we pay HUGE into every damn paycheck. When they can find millions for a private schools basketball stadium and a half billion to make the red line get to downtown a measly 10 minutes faster, we are gonna stand up and say fuck you very much. Too many cops have to see too many horrible things and the stress goes home, our life expectancy is shit, we deserve our full pension. We took this job because the pay is decent and we wanted a good pension, and we get the freedom to do some exciting and dangerous stuff. Most of us are adrenaline freaks. We try not to give a rats ass what people think. I see more shit and carnage and shithole people and blood and guts than I ever did in Iraq. It sucked over there and God bless all who served, just don't dick measure on shit you don't know shit about. "BTW the military is a profession". ?? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? No shit dumbass. You also get free meals and free housing you fuckin mama's boy. Try payin for a mortgage in Chicago, it ain't easy u damn pog, military standards must have really fallen.
When journalist makes a mistake he hits the delete key or runs a correction in the Saturday edition. If a cop makes a mistake people go to a funeral.
Finding lost Children,Stopping a Citizen from committing Suicide,Returning A lost Purse,Etc Etc...These are things we have all done.
"Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty..."
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
Hello joyful-hater... Cover down please. You splatter when you mindlessly chatter.
You fall all over yourself to make an apples to oranges comparison in which to couch your anti-Police hatred.
Oh wait... You're one of the hollow individuals who posts noxious commentary like "I'm so sick and tired of all these accolades being given to the cops..."
Coppers don't seek or solicit accolades, fyi.
Nor do our comrades in the military.
And why your exclusion of the Air Force when you tried to set up a false premise? Don't they swear an oath and pledge allegiance too?
The Air Force oath isn't "oathy" enough to suit you and support your hatred of the Police?
Where. Do you people. Emerge from?
Awesome letter. Only thing I would have added is that we work horrible hours and have bad days off. We all have missed important family events at one time or another. Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, Easter, 4th of July, birthdays, weddings etc. due to having to work. Yes we all knew this was part of the job when we signed up but we were promised a decent pension when we signed up too. I'm sick of people comparing us to the private sector. The private sector doesn't do what we do, doesn't see what we see, doesn't have their physical and mental well being tested day after day and minute after minute. Oh yeah, we pay 9% of each and every one of our paychecks into the pension. We are not the problem.
TY should run for FOP President. Get rid of Shields and all those do nothing board members. They are usless!
Anonymous said...
The public also needs to be informed that our pension is not a "freebee" that we pay into every two weeks. And maybe most importantly, that the political scum borrowed, stole, mismanaged, abused and underfunded the pension. We also DO NOT get social security.
12/11/2013 12:22:00 AM
The public needs to be informed that are pension is different than all other pensions and that we pay 9% a paycheck into it, unlike the CPS teachers who pay 2% and have the CPS pay the remaining 7%. That 7% is ultimately paid by the taxpayers through the property taxes which CPS takes 51%.
We also dont get the last day pay and 80% for a pension like the Illinois State Police.
Not trying to divide the public pensions, but differentiate ours from the rest which the public seems to feel are all the same
Anonymous said...
The national average life expectancy of a police officer after he or she retires is only 18 months
12/11/2013 12:09:00 AM
You are dating yourself. That was from 30 years ago when you had to be 59 to retire. Now with retirement possible at 50 and people in general living longer, that stat is not even close
Sorry, but the truth
If that stat was anywhere near being truth I pension fund would be in great shap.
Think about it
Glad for Father Dan Brandt for speaking out and sticking with the men and women of the Chicago Police Department. Stay Safe Everyone.
To the 4 Star General from the Air Force: "Cry me a river"? Really? That is your response? To mock and belittle the law enforcement profession? The same profession that is a landing ground for many servicemen and women at the end of their 4 year careers? Wow, you're a real tool. And a 20 year infantryman? I bet you could count them on one hand as most leave the service as soon as they are eligible. Those that do choose to make a career out of the armed forces do NOT spend 20 years on the battlefield so your comparison is hypothetical at best. The truth is that a street cop from any large metropolis, with 20 years on the streets, will face far more danger than someone launching bombs at faceless images on a computer screen from 30000 feet in the air. In addition to the inherent dangers of law enforcement, we have to deal with 20-25 years of constant interaction and conflict resolution with the scum of America and it takes its toll mentally and physically. I would never berate anyone that has served our country, nor will I tolerate being berated by some clown that has probably never spent one day in combat, let alone 20 years. Pound for pound, the police officer that spends 20 years on the streets of a major city will face much more and continuous danger than a 4 year infantryman from the Air Force. Now if you were a Marine, you might have a valid argument. Thanks for your service, jackass.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
We, the Police, support those who serve in the military and regard you highly. It's a shame to see some of you don't do the same for us.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
Listen tough guy comparing apples to oranges. The military has a rigid structure to accomplish the mission. This is a cop blog. So go pound sand somewhere else. I too served in the Marine corps infantry and know the difference. Like housing and meals paid for in the military. You get to party in foreign lands.i even though I live with my family I get to work the holidays. I wish I could retire at 20 years with a PX privileges like the military. Fuckin mush.
Hey Air Force Flyboy, (if that's what you even did), I first encourage you to cease reading this police blog since you feel we are inferior to your "profession." Secondly, you are a disgrace to the military for embarrassing yourself in this fashion. We as police hold the military in high regard and I personally have not seen or heard any police officer minimalize, criticize or compare ourselves to the likes of you. Without a doubt, military veterans deserve more than they receive and I have tremendous sympathy for those injured or giving up the ultimate sacrifice for our country. You, yourself signed up for the military knowing full well what is in store for you. Furthermore, you can correct me if I'm wrong but if you spend your whole career in your profession as a military person you also receive a pension. You have no right to criticize what any policeman does or does not go through nor do you have a right to criticize us receiving a pension. Just because one person doesn't get the best benefit on whatever he or she chooses doesn't mean everyone else should get the same or lesser. For your post and for insinuating that the job of police officers is not a profession, you sir shall be nominated for douchebag of the year.
We get social security "if you put in and have enough points" but only at the rate of 40%. Uncle Sam gets to KEEP 60% because we collect a pension. Again, being punished for working 2 jobs all my life.
Not to mention working midnights, holidays, weekends...missing graduations, ball games, everything else normal society enjoys for the consideration of a pension...and yes, that is what I signed up for, I knew it when I took the job, and I am lucky to have my employment...ALSO I knew I had a pension, I signed up for it because I had a pension...I did it without complaining because I had a pension. So don't you dare compare me to private sector...last I checked the police test was offered to them too
To the man speaking about the military this officer only wants what he was promised at the end of a long career. Police officers kept up their end of the bargain and the city/state whatever should be keeping up their end. Depending on when you enlist you could possibly start collecting a pension at 38 yoa in the military, 12 years before policemen can and 17 years before the new hires can. Also only approximately 1 out of 9 troops overseas actually see "combat" so now what do you have to say about those careers such as JAG, finance, military intelligence, etc? Do they not deserve the same retirement as you because they chose a different path in the military than you did? Sorry your argument in relation to this editorial is out of bounds. I also served in the military and truly believe that military service members deserve all and more but their experiences should not take away from the police who also serve honorably.
The Tribune carries water for the criminal-political class (RMD) and their corporatist masters like Rahm, Msall and Rauner et al. (The Gold Coast & North Shore Cocktail Party/Political Fundraiser Circuit) who have intentionally underfunded our pension and doled out OUR pension money to the likes of Alison Davis and Richard Vanecko of D.V. Realty like OUR pension was THEIR personal petty cash drawer.
The joyful haters are fixated on wanting to see The Police take a bad hair-cut no matter what.
The Tribune editorial was intentionally misleading, poorly researched and intellecually lazy.
They are determined to not let 50+ years of research and actuarial studies regarding Police mortality/quality of life upon surviving a tour of duty get in the way of their "blame the Police" propaganda.
It really doesn't matter whether that tour of duty lasts 20 or 40 years...
We wish every member of the Tribune editorial board and their families, friends and loved ones one night of a Policeman's nightmares.
"Why are you Cops so angry and anti-social?"
When you see people of the criminal-political class arrayed against you to steal the rest of what is yours that they couldn't get the first time doesn't put you in a charitable mood.
Of course it is doubly insulting when a complicit and compliant media piles on to turn the public against any cares and concerns of The Police.
Guardians of the public trust in a dead dog's ass...
"The Police ARE the problem in Chicago... Once we fix THEM, everything else will fall in place."
Oh yeah... Just so you know.
Absolutely NOTHING will change at ground level in Chicago by making The Police take a bad haircut....
NOTHING!
12/11/2013 01:56:00 AM
Ramblings of a psychotic person.......
Every once in a while Salon.com writes a good article or two. Their coverage on pensions (which mentions IL and Chicago here as well as Detroit's basket case) isn't bad.
http://www.salon.com/2013/12/11/retirement_crisis_grows_as_cities_raid_pension_and_health_plans_alternet_partner/
http://www.salon.com/2013/12/11/hidden_disaster_in_new_budget_demonic_assault_will_raid_pensions/
I can read around some of the ridiculously liberal leanings (and I am liberal-ish so that is saying a lot) to get to their public unions coverage... when I agree with Salon.com the crisis is getting bad.
I am a retired police officer and I'm 106 years old.
I am not sure what the life expectency is of a Police Officer but I do know that Retirement Years for Police Officers and Firefighters are on average more painfull than what I see from Retirees in other professions.
At a monthly breakfast I get to see about a hundred C.P.D. Retirees and although they are younger in average than in the private sector, they have the ailments of people much older.
I am not talking about a Police Officer that is far overweight. I'm talking about men and women who exercised and took care of their health. They have the aches and pains, and numerous corrective surgeries of people much older.
Most of the pains and surgeries can be directly related to injuries they have received while protecting the Citizens of Chicago.
The Fed Government have cut Soc Sec by 60 percent in most cases on the retirees that have qualified for it working another job. Most don't have it.
The Mayor wants to take away our health care and cut our pensions.
Shame on him.
Thanks for the slap in the face.
Anonymous said...
The national average life expectancy of a police officer after he or she retires is only 18 months
12/11/2013 12:09:00 AM
where did you get this from? not a chance in hell this is true, you just made it up.
Anonymous said...
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
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Nobody here ever said that the military wasn't a very tough or honorable profession. Far from it, we support the military getting far better than they now get. However, for you to stand up on a soapbox and imply police officers as lazy or not deserving of the benefits earned is garbage! I doubt that you have the chutzpah to say that to my face or any other officer's face. P.S. After you stroke yourself off at your computer keyboard, tell mommy you will be up for dinner after you clean up a little something.....
"by the way the military is a profession".....go fuck yourself bitch and YOU can cry me a river! You just insulted every police officer who has served this city by your bullshit comparison and FYI This is a profession. You should stay in the military asshat. If you did 20 years in the infantry then you're soft as shit. Buh-Bye
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
20 years of what? How much combat have you seen, I work with plenty of former military on this job and they say THIS IS WORSE!!! get over your self, your probably a gangbanger soldier. we're on the same side moron. And 20 years in the military get you ALOT, like school, mortgages, etc. so YOU cry me a river, or better yet, stop hating and fuck off.
save pension of cpd
get rid of gold braid /xo pensions
raise minimum age to collect a pension 57 , mandatory retirement age 66 . no cola until age 62 .
pension on average for last 8 years of salary , no pension higher than rank of lt
all the other ranks are appointed
"Why are you Cops so angry..."
Because we see that the mayor, the aldermen, the media and the public have reached a certain level of accommodation and understanding with the organized street criminals and the Catered To Constituencies that give them support...
Note the untold BILLIONS of dollars in federal, state and municipal funds poured into this city to try and keep the organized street criminals and the Catered To Constituencies pacified so they won't burn Chicago and the money making schemes of Daley Inc., Rahm & Co. and Rauner, Msall, Fahner et al. to the ground...
"Look at those Cops tryin' to have somethin'!"
"Hello representatives of Ceasefire... How about a million bucks?"
It's better politics to vilify people who played by the rules and endanger THEIR financial well being...
Something is so very fundamentally wrong with a city where the guardians are so openly scorned and those who contribute nothing but grief and misery get their decaying asses kissed by the politicians, public and the media.
"Please don't get mad and hurt us mr. organized street criminal! Look! See how we're destroying the Cops so they won't be able to bother you so much?"
"The Police ARE the problem in Chicago... Once we fix THEM, everything else will fall in place."
Anonymous said...
The national average life expectancy of a police officer after he or she retires is only 18 months
12/11/2013 12:09:00 AM
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I often read or hear this "fact'
- even the head of the Department EAP quotes it. But once, just once, I would like to see a footnote that would site the study that proves it.
"Scholars use footnotes and/or endnotes for a variety of reasons including:
To make it clear to the reader which views are yours and which are the views of other writers;
To allow you to acknowledge your intellectual debts to others if you decide to accept their views or information;
To direct the reader by the most efficient signposts to the place where the information you have provided can be checked and verified or where further useful information is."1
1. A Guide to Footnotes and Endnotes for NASA History Authors
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
No they don't have it much worse. They aren't in a war zone 24/7 365 either. Opinions are like assholes, you know the rest.
OEF vet and chicago cop
Hey Air Force guy why didn't you join a REAL military service like the Marines. Now take your PINK Wings and fly away. Rant over and out!
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
Yeah okay. Having housing and meals with no bills throughout your career is a lot of stress. The military is mindless. Be where you're supposed to be and do what you're supposed to do. It's not hard. You don't have to think.
We are going to be fucked. The writing is already on the wall. The city has no intention what so ever of keeping their word. Yet we are to honor our end of the bargain. If you don't know what needs to be done to remedy this situation then you are a fool. We need to stick together.
I've known Sgt. Tyler Partyka for many years having worked Cabrini for 22 years myself.
Tyler was a well respected Sgt. while in Housing North.
Too bad his reflections will fall upon deaf ears in this city.
WE are all WE have. Take care of one another...stay safe.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
GFY, as a army vet of seven years I've earned the right to tell you that. There is a high percentage of police officers who are veterans, some have seen combat, and some are still still deployed in war zones around the world. So again GFY! We can say we've walked in your boots, you can't say you've walked in ours to tell us what you think we deserve or don't!
I'm sorry, but when we talk like this it endears us to no one. Seriously? You expect a citizen to read this and have tear run from their eye? All the citizen is thinking is that you're not the only one who has it so rough. There are a lot of people who are constantly looking over there shoulder wondering is there company going to downsize, will they be laid off, how will they find another job, they have shitty bosses, get complained to by customers, don't get paid vacations or sick days, they have been on unemployment, they have families to take care of and bills to pay, they have no idea when they'll be able to retire and they certainly won't have a fixed income when they retire.
If you can't see this, then you've obviously never worked in the private sector and I'd venture to guess you've have no friends or relatives who have either.
Even though I agree with the concept of what you are saying, we as the police need to find a new way to argue this. Toting ourselves around as heroes is not the way to get anyone on our side.
I don't see anything about being heroes, just what most of us have experienced throughout our career. I saw it as a rebuttal to a self-righteous media distorting the facts and lumping the police in with the window washers
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What is the average time that a CPD retiree collects the pension befor passing away?
12/11/2013 08:12:00 AM
You could call the pension board and ask them.
Hey you media whores who read this blog, you want pension reform? How about you only get one government pension in your lifetime. Perfect example, little Charlie Williams the current commissioner of streets and sanitation. Charlie Williams is a retired deputy superintendent of the Chicago police department who is collecting a pension, a current salary, and after 4 years with streets and sanitation will he be collecting a pension from them? What a coincident that his predassesor as the commissioner of street and sanitation was little Tommy Byrne who also was a retired deputy superintendent with the Chicago police department. Did he serve exactly 4yrs as the commissioner and now gets a pension from streets and sanitation? How about the most corrupt politician RMD, HOW MANY PENSIONS DOES HE COLLECT? Why try and steal pensions from people who EARNED THIER ONE LITTLE PENSION and not investigate and report on people who are abusung the system.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
Hey blow hard.... What Air Force infantry unit were you in? Bwwahahahahaha .........no such thing!!! Try again
I too have served in the military 4yrs in the Marine Corps as a rifleman, just like many of my fellow officers. And although it was definitely a tougher job at times, The benefits awarded to me after I served my contract sure made my transition a lot easier. What will I have after serving my contract this time? Oh and btw I'll be 63 years old this time with my days numbered. I think I deserve the 9% of my pay checks putting in for the past 30 years. But hey if you dont want your pension give it back we'll gladly take it.
I too have served in the military 4yrs in the Marine Corps as a rifleman, just like many of my fellow officers. And although it was definitely a tougher job at times, The benefits awarded to me after I served my contract sure made my transition a lot easier. What will I have after serving my contract this time? Oh and btw I'll be 63 years old this time with my days numbered. I think I deserve the 9% of my pay checks putting in for the past 30 years. But hey if you dont want your pension give it back we'll gladly take it.
@ 12/11/2013 07:32:00 AM
Are you SERIOUS?
"I'm sorry but when we talk like this it endears us to no one..."
"Toting ourselves around as heroes is not the way to get anyone on our side."
So... You've co-signed onto the foolishness popping up on the online comments sections of the two major Chicago gossip rags?
"I'm so sick and tired of all the accolades being given to the Cops..."
And what, pray tell, is wrong with Policemen holding their heads high in spite of every effort to tear them down?
We run toward the scary stuff regular citizens run away from.
And for that they're resentful?
Because Policemen confront evil human beings and eye-witness the aftermath of things beyond horrible and still manage to move forward and get the job done, we stand accused of "Toting ourselves around like heroes" when all we're doing is telling the truth?
Being a Policeman does not equate with assuming a timid or subservient posture in the face of opposition.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
Easy Killer, no one EVER knocked the military. However, WE are on the subject of OUR Police pension. If you have issues in your profession take it up with those that are responsible with YOUR pension and the way you folks in the military handle things. We are trying to handle POLICE matters our way because it pertains to us.
Anonymous said...
I'm sorry, but when we talk like this it endears us to no one. Seriously? You expect a citizen to read this and have tear run from their eye? All the citizen is thinking is that you're not the only one who has it so rough. There are a lot of people who are constantly looking over there shoulder wondering is there company going to downsize, will they be laid off, how will they find another job, they have shitty bosses, get complained to by customers, don't get paid vacations or sick days, they have been on unemployment, they have families to take care of and bills to pay, they have no idea when they'll be able to retire and they certainly won't have a fixed income when they retire.
If you can't see this, then you've obviously never worked in the private sector and I'd venture to guess you've have no friends or relatives who have either.
Even though I agree with the concept of what you are saying, we as the police need to find a new way to argue this. Toting ourselves around as heroes is not the way to get anyone on our side.
12/11/2013 07:32:00 AM
I'm no rocket scientist, but I do know that the police have a job that I never could do, and know they are treated like shit, by the public and by the higher ups. SOME of the public do endear themselves to the police's dilemma about the pensions (not to mention that you work for assholes).
--No Cop Here
To the blogger who responded to my post. They wanted a Grand Jury - big investigation, etc. If the whole thing was legit, why did the Blago wire end before a certain person was coming on the phone? There will be no investigation, no repercussions and life will got on. The Pension Fund is woefully underfunded, the Pols run the whole thing and will make adjustments. I am sorry to say that the Sgts.'s president had the correct idea- negotiate something reasonable. Obviously, that was minority view. Now, the General Assembly will shove it down our throats. What are you going to do? Take it to one of the Pol's appointed judges? Maybe yet-- ask the FOP guy who forgave the pension contribution to lobby? Or maybe ask the disability police officer to look at the disability list to see what could be done?
One can comment about TIF money, the DePaul stadium ( I went to DePaul Academy) , the welfare and everything else. Without those things, the Pols would be voted out--Prepare for it.
And above all == stay safe.
old retired guy
I'm sorry, but when we talk like this it endears us to no one. Seriously? You expect a citizen to read this and have tear run from their eye? All the citizen is thinking is that you're not the only one who has it so rough. There are a lot of people who are constantly looking over there shoulder wondering is there company going to downsize, will they be laid off, how will they find another job, they have shitty bosses, get complained to by customers, don't get paid vacations or sick days, they have been on unemployment, they have families to take care of and bills to pay, they have no idea when they'll be able to retire and they certainly won't have a fixed income when they retire.
If you can't see this, then you've obviously never worked in the private sector and I'd venture to guess you've have no friends or relatives who have either.
Even though I agree with the concept of what you are saying, we as the police need to find a new way to argue this. Toting ourselves around as heroes is not the way to get anyone on our side.
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Could not agree with this post more. My father was a carpenter for 30 years. He retired and collected a pension for three years before he died at the age of 64. He had 2 back surgeries, one surgery on each knee, one surgery for carpal tunnel in his wrist and another for his rotator cuff. You think being a cop is so tough, try real hard labor. Being a cop is easy on the body compared to any work in the trades. We really need to get over ourselves.... I've been a CPD for 17 years by the way.
We all have had our fair share of injuries, etc especially those of us who actually work the streets and have always been the "real police" ! Any attempt to pretend you are something special or have done anything no other police officer has done or been through is a slap in the face all of us. Nothing like war stories from house mouse's and those who don't work the streets. Ya we all have our stories but what's he looking for glory ? A pat on the back he sounds likes someone who needs to have someone recognize he's special!! We all know what you are really all about.
RP
Praise The Lord and pass the ammunition!!!
What it comes down to is we were promised something , we get money taken out every single check , the crooked city of chicago politicians who lie and steal have gone back on their word and won't admit they are the ones who are not putting the money needed in. Why is this been allowed ?? All people promised a pension should be given one with no strings attached !! No matter the job, you put in you get ! Simple
Old Retired Guy Here. My Question Is This. If The Money Is Not There ? If It Was Never Properly Funded, and Monitored ? Let's Find Out Why ? Let's Hold A Grand Jury Style Hearing or Hearing's Into Who Was Responsible, and Why They Were Irresponsible In Their Duties. Let's See Someone "LOUSE THEIR PENSION" Not Doing The proper Job With Ours.
Better Yet, Let's See If They Are Criminally Responsible. PUT THEM IN JAIL !!!!!
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Love this post. Would like to see the Trib do their job and focus on who, what, where and when the pols diverted our pension money.
12/11/2013 09:12:00 AM
Could not agree with this post more. My father was a carpenter for 30 years. He retired and collected a pension for three years before he died at the age of 64. He had 2 back surgeries, one surgery on each knee, one surgery for carpal tunnel in his wrist and another for his rotator cuff. You think being a cop is so tough, try real hard labor. Being a cop is easy on the body compared to any work in the trades. We really need to get over ourselves.... I've been a CPD for 17 years by the way.
Different time.
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty
What was your job description? crash test dummy ???
I am a retired police officer and I'm 106 years old.
12/11/2013 01:45:00 PM
But can you remember your birthdate?
Wow,
All this going back and forth amongst ourselves. What we need is a huge media campaign to get the word out to the citizens. Stop all the unnecessary spending in the FOP and Sgt. Association and direct that money to print and tv outlets. That along with marches and protest at key locations and events should be done. We are in the fight of our lives!! By the way Happy Holidays...
Member of the class 94-4A
Could not agree with this post more. My father was a carpenter for 30 years. He retired and collected a pension for three years before he died at the age of 64. He had 2 back surgeries, one surgery on each knee, one surgery for carpal tunnel in his wrist and another for his rotator cuff. You think being a cop is so tough, try real hard labor. Being a cop is easy on the body compared to any work in the trades. We really need to get over ourselves.... I've been a CPD for 17 years by the way.
12/11/2013 08:19:00 PM
Shot at 3 three times. One was while crossing kids at 36th & State at 9:00 a.m. and a gang banger walks over from the breezeway and tells me that dude is walking across the infield carrying a pistol. I'm pulling my shit out as he appears and then he then fires from a military two handed grip and stance and pounds a round off at me and takes off running towards the building on Federal. I take off after him and stop, get a 3/4 trigger squeeze on him and feeling pretty confident since I had been to a range the day before. And then let him get to the safety of the high rise. Why? Kids! I was there crossing kids and they were coming out of the building to go to school. Missing him and dropping a kid with a shot in the forehead would definitely put a crimp in my day. And credit to the Dick that was driving by and took up chase with me.
Every cop has similar "war stories", so what's my point? We all go/went through that kind of stuff and yet when ever I would hear guys on the job whining, I would still always say to whoever was near: Obviously that guy never had a real job.
Just by showing up and handling our calls we all earned our keep though and deserve our rightful, full pension that we paid into while putting our lives on the line for the citizens of the city.
Wow...
A LOT of media trolls posting to shout down what Policemen have to say about the Tribune editorial piece.
Why the fixation over "you cops gotta get over yourselves, other people have it tough too!"
Are you people so bent out of shape about the truth being told?
Yeah... Other people have it tough. Other people don't have to worry about or deal with the stuff Policemen do.
>Falls On Deaf Ears...<
As long as The Policeman is knocked off his "lofty" perch and made to know his proper place, right?
That's going to fix everything that's wrong in this city, right?
Why should i compare my pension to anyone else?
I came on the job had to have No DUI's, arrest and no metal issues.
I cannot live where i want to.
If i call in sick someone checks on me at home.
I can't get drunk anytime because its a rule.
Yet i keep hearing compared to the private sector.
We are not the private sector and the politician paid by the corporate types control the message.
TIF's,tax free zones, Subsidies are all welfare.
Yet we sweat the ghetto rats cashing in.
We have to read a bit more than the sports page and wake up
The problem is that the police kept voting for the same Dems now sticking it to them. Guess what-the South Side scumbags are the D voter base and more important to them than your pension or your life.
Love these comments. The republicans love us huh?
"Ramblings of a psychotic person."
12/11/2013 12:55:00 PM
No... Sounds like somebody who told it like it is and hurt your wittle feewings, media troll...
Gad... This thread is lousy with you people who offer nothing but criticism for Coppers adamantly opposed to taking a haircut because of a concerted failure to act by the politicians.
Since you want to see Policemen hurt, hopefully, both papers will soon go under and drag YOUR pensions beneath the waves with them.
See how schadenfreude is double-edged here?
Now... How about real solutions that don't revolve around divesture, diminishment or diversion for the mayor's money men like Rauner to obscenely profiteer from?
>CRICKETS<
Or the ones who wrecked our pensions can stand and take their medicine like real men did 100+ years ago and we can call it an even trade...
You are dating yourself. That was from 30 years ago when you had to be 59 to retire. Now with retirement possible at 50 and people in general living longer, that stat is not even close
Sorry, but the truth
If that stat was anywhere near being truth I pension fund would be in great shap.
Think about it
12/11/2013 10:54:00 AM
This comment and the one about footnotes, you must be lazy or just unwilling to listen when you already made up your mind.
1.) We paid in, without having the option of simply not paying in whenever we wanted to skip payments.
2.) Check the retirement announcements every month or call the pension- if everyone was retiring at 50 they'd more than likely be leaving with well under the maximum of 75%... which would take 29 and a day years of service...(I haven't met too many coppers lately who came on the job at 20)
3.) The money saved from unpaid pension benefits due to recipient early death accounts for a substantial portion of what is currently in the fund, behind only the amount deducted from active service contributions and a close second to what the city should be putting in but actually doesn't since they play the same IOU game that the feds do with the so-called S.S "trust fund."
Also, the dork who said "their retirement planner" told them life expectancy is not an issue: wow, who needs a doctor when your financial planner has a health tip for you, right?
Probably has nothing at all to do with the commission he's looking to get from you opting to push way more in now in the early years because, "hey, don't worry, you're gonna live forever, copper."
search the following:
"Studies don't agree on law enforcement's mortality rate"
seems when cops were dying early, states reasonably lowered the min. retirement age.
Now that people simply overlook how raided the funds are by crooked politicians, they also hate you enough to simply not give a fuck that yours is the job you can expect to simply not come home from some night, and, well, that's just too bad.
I find it amusing that the tribune, who is now in bankruptcy receivership, is giving financial advice to anyone.
Did a guy from the fucking air force just talk shit about how hard he has it lol
Cook County Commissioner Bridget Gainer Talks about pension crisis and how most public employee pensions are run by elected employees who pretty much know NOTHING about nor have any formal education regarding these pension funds and investing their assets... a good point, I'd say.
http://www.bridgetgainer.com/news/2013/12/msnbc-detroit-cook-county-pensions-with-craig-melvin.html
I was only a teacher in Ghetto
high schools on the South Side
for over 40 years,but I experienced enough to know you should save
your ink.No one on the outside will
ever believe you anyhow.
I don't know how it is going to come down but something will have to give. There just is not enough tax revenue available to pay for the promised benefits.
The thing is that there probably never was enough revenue to pay for the benefits even if they had paid into the funds all along. The benefits that were promised were always unsustainable. Anyone with basic math skills could have made that calculation.
Not paying in made it much worse, but the same basic problem would have still existed, albeit at a lower level.
The national average life expectancy of a police officer after he or she retires is only 18 months
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Just not possible. If that was true there would be no police pension problem. Do the math. It is high school level algebra and not that hard.
Nice job Tyler.
for all of us born after jan 1 , 1955 , we deserve 3% raise after we retire. we do not receive 80% pensions or 3 % compounded cola like state and other city unions . don't care if they reduce the pensions of others to a 75% and 3% cola that isn't compounded . we also worked nights , holidays , weekends .
fop, pbpa please drill this point into our representatives in springfield
end the gold braid pension and include ALL Appointed ranks like XO and MERIT PROMOTED STupervisors.
that's change 90% of CPD can live with
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Did a guy from the fucking air force just talk shit about how hard he has it lol
12/12/2013 01:05:00 AM
No. A poster commented that, aside from the Air Force, the military has it rough.
Reading comprehension; it's a skill.
I have a personal story, but is it going to change the way these people think? I don't know, but I can tell you.
I feel disappointed and angered by what is being said and planned to hack at our retirement plans. As being injured and later to be found disabled from a injury on duty, where will my wife and I be?
I never qualified for any SSI, for my disability. My wife works for the Board of Ed, we are screwed by a system that started this mess in the first place and then they turn around and accuse us as being the problem. I have had enough of this crap and it is time to bail and start somewhere else. We need to be assured that we will be ok, when we retire.
This State and this City have dropped the ball, don't care or is so badly organized with people not having a inch of moral fiber. It was said, we would have this when we retired. Now, uncertainty.
There are states in this country, where the cost of living is below the national average. They also have a housing market, where you can buy a 500,000 home for 280,000. Start doing your research and get out if you can.
They already showed you, how much they really care, putting your life on the line and fucking with your life, when you'll really need it the most. The pat on the back and then the kick in the ass!
Hey cry me a river ass wipe…
I spent time in the Army and time as a cop in the city. I deployed to Iraq. I can tell you from personal experience as military and police that the military has it easier.
Cops are at war their entire careers. They don't get to go to the free chow hall in their free uniform and then to their free barracks when they're done for the day. They aren't taken care of medically for free either. They have to pay for all that shit you get for nothing but your service. They don't get the free VA benefits, the PX or commissary. They don't get to have all of those little things taken care of after their tour in combat for the day is done like you do, you sorry piece of shit. They have to take care of their kids and get the groceries and pay the bills that you don't get because it's taken care of for you.
So why don't you cry me a fucking river, you poser? The tougher of the two jobs that I had is the police. So go pound fucking sand you sorry little shit. You embarrass every REAL service member with your silly little suck hole.
"I find it amusing that the tribune, who is now in bankruptcy receivership, is giving financial advice to anyone."
12/12/2013 12:36:00 AM
Second that motion!
The trib editorial board are all a bunch of self-important whores giving of their orfices in "awkward" positions on a pissy mattress with the protected criminal politicians of city hall who have raided and intentionally wrecked our pension.
They frolic while shouting at those surly, uncooperative churls The Police for not being willing to just let bygones be bygones and humbly accept the Rahm & Rauner planned pension divesture, diversion and diminishment.
"Ya, we stole and fooked-up yer money but you guys jest gotta get over it an' take these here cuts... It's for the children. No, not YOUR children!"
The only ones who will be smiling are the "money conjurer" friends of Rahm & Rauner who will run away and hide after they take their profits and leave Policemen with nothing after the dust settles.
The way we see it... The trib editorial board doesn't have a true civic bone in their collective pencil necked bodies.
They're pushing awful hard for "reform" on the backs of Policemen.
Maybe Rahm and Rauner et al. have given them some "insider information" from the hedge fund money people so they too can take some profit from busting Policemen out of their own pension money.
>SNICKER!<
One dirty, bereft of integrity hand washing the other.
How about this?
Let the ones responsible for the theft from and failure to fund our pension over the years, stand on a wooden platform and take their medicine like men...
Then we might be amenable to so called reasonable accomodation.
THAT will be the so called shared sacrifce the media is screaming for...
May both Chicago rags disappear beneath the waves and drag every screaming, crying, hating, slanted-reporting, scared of the truth ass with them...
News reporting in this God-Forsaken city needs to be re-booted with prejudice anyway...
Remember. Policemen didn't break it. It's beyond Policemen to fix it. If Policemen were somehow empowered to fix it, they would be shouted down for doing so.
Only The Policeman is compelled to abide by rules and laws under pain of sanction.
Rules and laws are mere suggestion to all the other principals involved.
"You guys are just a bunch of wild, out of control free-thinkers!"
"seems when cops were dying early, states reasonably lowered the min. retirement age. Now that peopel simply overlook how raided the funds are by crooked politicians, they also hate you enough to simply not give a fuck that yours is the job you can expect to simply not come home from some night, and well, that's just too bad."
12/12/2013 12:32:00 AM
TRUTH!
"Too Bad" seems to be the common theme to the ongoing war against the police and meaningful, proactive policing.
People are REALLY smug and obnoxoious when coppers voice their concerns.
"You knew what it was going to be like when you signed up."
"If you don't like it, quit. We'll take your job and do it better for less and no complaining."
"If you have time to complain, you're not giving us our money's worth."
"What makes you guys so special? We can train a chimp to do what YOU do!"
"Why do you cops always..."
12/11
1:43am
Tell me all about the Infantry tough guy. I humped a ruck before you were even born. Unlike todays military those of us who fought the Vietnam War got absolutely no benefits from the Government and the people who sent us there. We got nothing but treated like shit. Many of us came on the job, where we never got our Veteran's points coming on or during promotions. To this day we get no VA medical benefits unless on disability or living in poverty. Let me tell you today 's military gets many active duty and retirement benefits never available to us Vietnam era vets.
One of the reasons I came on the job was nobody was hiring 21 year old Vietnam veterans there were no jobs or job programs for us. So we became cops and served proudly and all that time we paid into a pension so we could someday have benefits. Now we are the bad guys and the public hates us because we actually get benefits for doing a job nobody else wanted. People like you amaze me I find it hard to believe you are or ever were a "grunt."
One thing I can say that somebody like you and those who sleep safely and peacefully in their beds at night can't say is "I will always be a Combat Infantryman and a Chicago Police Officer" and those like you who resent us and possibly hate us have to live with the fact that you would never walk where I have walked and you would never have the heart or the guts to do what I and my fellow CPD Officers have done and will continue to do.
So much for the BS that po's die within 18 months of retirement.
Just folklore and urban legend
In 2008, the California Public Employees' Retirement System, or CalPERS, which manages the country's largest public pension fund, released a report called "Preparing for Tomorrow" that concluded the average public safety officer retires at 55, about four years earlier than the average worker.
The organization's research, which was conducted in 2004, showed that police officers who retire at age 55 live, on average, to be 81 — the same age as the typical government worker.
A 2006 report by the Oregon Public Employees Retirement System provided similar results.
It said male officers who retire at age 60 typically live another 22 years and that female officers who retire at 60 live on average another 25 years.
I am not sure what the life expectency is of a Police Officer but I do know that Retirement Years for Police Officers and Firefighters are on average more painfull than what I see from Retirees in other professions.
At a monthly breakfast I get to see about a hundred C.P.D. Retirees and although they are younger in average than in the private sector, they have the ailments of people much older.
You better not miss a breakfast because these guys have less than 18 months left if you believe that 18 month BS and please dont tell that to any that have been retired for 17 months. They may have a heart attack right there.
Do you realize you are going to have to go to 100 funerals in the next 18 months
It might be worth doing the math, in order to determine the value of your pension contributions, individually and what the city was supposed to kick in, but didn't for each and every officer, file suit, and demand a refund, with interest and damages and allow the officer to invest these funds on his own. You'd probably still come up short, but at least you'd have some say so over who's controlling your money.
If it was up to the politicians, they'd have cops out walking a beat at the age of 70, with the aid of a walker.
Or maybe using one of those little scooters I see seniors zipping around in. Just put some lights and a siren on it and you're good to go!
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
12/11/2013 01:43:00 AM
At least 50% of my partners were former military and served multiple tours of COMBAT and they would tw you themselves you are out of line on this. God bless!
I just received a newsletter from the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund. I'm an annuitant under the SLEP program (LE).
With Detroit going down the tubes, there's been a lot of talk about the same happening here in Illinois. Apparently we can, at least for the time being, lay those fears to rest.
Two interesting points:
#1 The states CANNOT file for bankruptcy protection. Period.
#2 Municipalities MAY file for bankruptcy protection but only if the state affirmatively allows for that relief. Again, the State of Illinois does NOT permit municipalities to file for BK.
That's the law but WTF does that mean in this corrupt state? Seems to me there used to be an airport that legally and contractually was to remain open until that fucking little weasel did his midnight raid.
Just thought I'd TRY to toss a little sunshine into all this doom and gloom.
We may all now re-assume the position folks. BOHICA!
It might be worth doing the math, in order to determine the value of your pension contributions, individually and what the city was supposed to kick in, but didn't for each and every officer, file suit, and demand a refund, with interest and damages and allow the officer to invest these funds on his own. You'd probably still come up short, but at least you'd have some say so over who's controlling your money.
Keep dreaming or maybe you could do the math
Anonymous said...
The national average life expectancy of a police officer after he or she retires is only 18 months
You aren't even close. That rumor started 50 years ago. Page 36 of the below link spells it out for you. It is our Chicago Police Pension Fund annual report from 2010, the latest one on the website. For the years 2008, 2009, and 2010 the average age of the current retiree is 68 so if everyone retired at mandatory age of 63, they would have already lived 5 years and the average age of retirement was 59 so they have already lived 9 years
You are back in the 50's with that statement of po's living 18 months. Check your facts, and no I don't think the pension fund is lying and there is no conspiracy
http://www.chipabf.org/ChicagoPolicePension/PDF/Financials/annual/Annual_Report_2010_Final.pdf
The future of Chicago is Detroit:
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022432734_detroitpensionsxml.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_bankruptcy
The future of Illinois is Rhode Island:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/business/pension-deal-in-rhode-island-could-set-a-trend.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.labornotes.org/2012/04/rhode-island-pension-cuts-set-chilling-precedents
All the pension plans will get haircuts, and even retirees will take big hits.
Eventually, the State of Illinois and city of Chicago will dump their retirees into Obabamacare, which is one reason Obama and the Dems pushed so hard for it. Big American cities are run by Democrats and many are spiraling towards financial death. Obamacare is just one more band-aid on the gunshot victim.
" A pat on the back he sounds likes someone who needs to have someone recognize he's special!! We all know what you are really all about. "
Woah Brother, take your personal vendetta to the man himself. We humped the ramps of the jets for several years together. We have more important things to focus on, like our future, or lack thereof
DL
Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force, the military has it much worse than the cops when it comes to bodily injury and/or death in the line of duty. Not to mention longer hours without benefit of overtime pay, lower pay, and frequent long periods of time away from home and family in one of the world's hell holes Twenty plus years in the infantry make the average cops job look like paradise. BTW the military is a profession.
Boo hoo to you, I respect all military , all my friends and family that served, not one of them attack the police and are so small as to compare themselves to us, we all support each other. And at times the streets are more dangerous. You are in a troop. Cops stop cars all by themselves and do not have the support or equipment you are afforded. State police are alone. So the next time you feel the need to puff up your chest, I'll bet you never left Indiana.
The actuarial information pertaining to Chicago Police Officers has been suppressed by RMD for years.
Every now and again, noise was made about that information was going to be made public... Only for Crime King Shorty to put his thumb on it...
Kind of like that mysterious and much ballyhooed Morale Survey commissioned by J-Fled... It NEVER saw the light of day.
Why?
It is safe to say that both of these are damning indictments of how Chicago treats it's Policemen.
The powers that be are fearful that the public hatred for Police would be blunted and they would lose the momentum in the propaganda war against The Police if people gained deeper insight into why things are the way they are in Chicago.
Just a thought from an "old, under-educated, heavy-fisted, brutal, mean-spirited, anti-social, wild-assed, free-thinking, out of control ghetto cop...
>Snark!<
Have friends that did 2 tours is Nam and would never talk like this, you obviously never left the states and doubt you are or were ever in the military.
Want to make comparisons, you aren't qualified to shine a WWII veterans boots.
Now I feel so much better about retiring at 50 with 50 per cent of my already too high salary, especially with healthcare now being free and all...
I'll be sure to stop reading the daily death notices and death announcements in the fop bulletin, since those are lies and ill be around til I'm 88 feeling spry and limber from all the years I spent having so much fun wrestling with idiots, chasing assholes, carrying drunks, cranking my neck on midnights, sniffing who knows what, breathing who knows what...
spores, spittle, cooties, scabies, fleas, roaches, mice, rats, my partners' farts, the old timers rancid cigars, a pissbums breath, the crackwhore wailing, flailing, and everybody's blood mist and fluids up my nose in beautiful molecular fashion...
mm-mm, ain't it great to retire to assured longevity, thanks to all those politicians and studies. Turns out they all knew best.
dont believe your lying eyes. Cops retire to wonderful, healthy lives, to golf resorts and tropical beaches.
So this guys says "Cry me a river. Leaving out the Air Force....blah, blah, blah".
I call BULLSHIT! on this guy.
I looked at all Military as hero's, always, always always gave them a break and was always treated with respect.
I believe this is just some disgruntled halfwit stirring the pot and unfortunatly, way too many fell for it.
TP is a piece of TP, like the song the "great pretender "
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