"Merit" Selections Work
It has been said here and elsewhere, that "merit" selections only result in the best and the brightest being promoted to leadership positions in the Department.
We finally have proof.
Remember that Lieutenants promotion list back in 2010? Of course, you don't. But you can see it here at this link. It was the first list in history that separated out the "merit" picks and their sponsors. Here's the "merit" picks:
We finally have proof.
Remember that Lieutenants promotion list back in 2010? Of course, you don't. But you can see it here at this link. It was the first list in history that separated out the "merit" picks and their sponsors. Here's the "merit" picks:
- 606 Cesario, Robert C. by Cmdr Eddie Johnson
610 Duffin, Kevin B. by Cmdr Patricia Walsh
111 Hamilton, Raymond J. by Cmdr Robert Roman
189 Ramirez, Jose G. by Cmdr Genessa Lewis
193 Sanchez, James R. by Cmdr Joseph Gorman
189 Sanchez, Noel by Cmdr James O’Grady
196 Valadez, Francis A. by ADS Steven Georgas
193 Waller, Fred L. by Cmdr Walter Green
153 Watson, Larry W. by Cmdr James Roussell
Out of those 9 picks, seven have since been promoted again, to Captain or Commander. And in one case, both. The 21 rank-order promotees? Not a single one has made XO or better.
So obviously, whoever picks the "merits" must have a finely tuned sense of who will make a superior leader in the future and testing actually has nothing to do with it.
So let us hear no more about "merit" being a slander for "connected."
So obviously, whoever picks the "merits" must have a finely tuned sense of who will make a superior leader in the future and testing actually has nothing to do with it.
So let us hear no more about "merit" being a slander for "connected."
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
187 Comments:
Class in 09 - Pena and Velaz Commander and Deputy- No one else
08 class from this list Carouthers Commander/ Forced to go, Chambers Captain, West Commander, ERROL Davis Indicted Except for Chambers what do they have in common?
In the first class two of the six merit picks (Carothers and Davis) have been targets of federal investigations. 1/3 of the best and brightest.
Very telling SCC although I think its 6 out of the 9 getting another promotion. A lot of those merits are good working coppers and I can see their merit promotions but its obvious how clout rules here. Its hard to believe that none of the other 21 deserve a promotion to Captain or Commander. No doubt you have to be on the inside to go higher then LT in this department. Connections rule.
Gee, no kidding.
Cesario is the former son-in-law of affirmative action hire Dennis Preito. Merit sergeant, merit lieutenant, bullshit appointed XO, a goof at the airport, a bootlicker at Area Four, and he has to look at himself in the mirror each day and realize he stole someone else's promotion since he couldn't compete on a level playing field.
That is precisely why these crooks shouldn't be able to get a pension at that who they know rate.
"Out of those 9 picks, seven have since been promoted again, to Captain or Commander. And in one case, both. The 21 rank-order promotees? Not a single one has made XO or better."
I'd like to take it just one step further if I may, SCC.
While Caucasian, I've finagled and managed to get my hands on that extremely over played, tired and tattered, dog-eared old deck of Race Cards.
I plan on shuffling 'em up real good and dealing hands to the media and anyone else who'll listen regarding the fact that 8 of the nine merit pukes listed appear to be of Hispanic or African American lineage.
It seems Whites were woefully underrepresented in the merit selection process that go-around, not to mention subsequent bites at the Merit Apple. If the shoe were on the other foot you can bet your ass the likes of Jesse Jackass, Pfather Pfaker and assorted African-American Aldercreatures would be raising hell.
Two things I wonder...how many of these Special Nine were also "merited" their sergeant's chevrons? And will anyone take up the cause for the discrimination suffered by the Rank Order Rejects?
> crickets <
This used to be a great job. Now it sucks. Secret study groups. Secret meritorious promotions. A union with a dishonorable President who lies and promotes his own agenda. What happened to us? What happened to bosses who cared about the troops? What happened to our appearance? What happened to our squad cars? What happened to our fitness level? Doesn't anyone care about the Chicago Police Department? 87 million dollars spent on VRI but no money for raises for us. What is happening to our pension? What are we going to do? I suggest we band together. We have no one to help us but each other. The Sgt's have a contract. The Lt's and Captains know they will not be affected because they have clout and want to be promoted. The exempts will not say anything because they are scared of this Supt. The Alderman are the Mayor's whipping boys. I hate this job. I really do. I don't hate my fellow blue shirts but I hate what CPD has become. Will it get better? I think it will get worse before it gets better. Our police dept has been destroyed by promoting non working police officers. God Help us with these managers.
How about this last Lt's list. Let's see the merit picks.
Now now now, SCC!
The powers that be can't afford to have a "somebody nobody sent" ascending to policy making postions and what not.
Somebody upright and upstanding might fuck around and do the righteous thing or three that desperately need doing on this combo ass-clown funeral & flaming shit show of a job...
Yeah... That goes for you gray haired, too old, too ornery, too dumb, heavy-fisted, blue collar, 3, 4, and 5 generation, wild-assed, out of control, Chicago PATROLMEN who cling to your old fashioned, out-moded ideals,traditions and have the utter gall to think your blood, sweat and tears sacrifices actually entitle you to have any say in how things are done in this town.
Chicago is a city of the dead and the damned as far as any Real & Meaningful Policing is concerned.
The REAL and oppressed tax-paying citizenry have to WANT IT badly enough to FORCE the changes necessary to take THEIR city back from the inept Corruptocracy run by a smug and smarmy North Shore shit-ass who fancies himself the smartest man in every room he's ever stood in...
The deeply flawed and afflicted self-aggrandizing, drunken, womanizing, mouth-breathing steak-head from New Yuck installed as a heat shield needs no introduction.
A canker on Sir Robert Peel's long deceased posterior has more L.E. credibility.
"The Police are the problem in Chicago... Once we fix THEM, everything else will fall in place."
Viva Hate.
Right?
Merit is merit! If u have the chance to be recommended for it, congrats! All I can say is JS is a great boss from P.O. To Sgt to LT! Great boss, knows his shit and knows the rank! Great person to work for.
I knew Lt. Duffin in the 7th Dist. I worked with him on a beat car when we were Patrolman. .I've worked with him since his promotions. . He's the real deal. Anyone who knows him will agree. Good Policeman!
Kevin Duffin? Without a doubt, one of the best bosses out there! If you get into a shooting, he's THE guy I'd want out there. Cut from the same cloth as Farrell.
Then we have Ray-Ray Hamilton... Do you seriously think Roman made him? Fuck no! Jody told Roman "Hey, guess who your pick is going to be. This guy deep-throats like Linda Lovelace!"
Sorry but nothin anyone can say about jimmy Sanchez... Great boss and god willing for our dept he moves up further than he is. Treats ALL police officers with respect and knows what he's doing.. He doesn't care if your black, white Hispanic, male or female he treats you like a person first and officer second. A gentleman and a good boss. The rest of them can go pound sand
I know commander Johnson real good...nicest guy to work for and I hope he gets to be superintendent. ..well deserve...He has always been the police and loves what he does....merit or not for whomever he wants, I'm sure his picks have been people who have worked and earned a spot. Stop hating and do some work and maybe you'll get recognized.
Ray Ray Hamilton No that was a Waste He's at County with His boi Masters
So how does he continue to pay into our pension???? While deployed Military can't
Semper Fi
Ramirez was a great cop and an even better Sgt. Did great things in Narcotics. He's the real police.
2 words- FELONY THEFT.
Good work ! We need more information on the rest of these great supervisor .
This information should be public why does this department alway hiding shit .
This job sucks! Lifer on a lousy beat car!
#1 on your list has been merit his WHOLE career. Now he's cut the head off the best unit on the job. Can't wait for this ass to be "bumped" again and out of this unit. Maybe it will get back to some sense of normalcy.
1/13/2014 01:28:00 AM now you know what it feels like to be the minority. Doesn't feel so good does it-- lol
Can't speak for any of the others, but Ramirez has been a gentleman.
clout rules almost every government agency everywhere. the higher up the food chain you go the more obvious it is.
the problem in Chicago is the one party rule that has resulted in the clouted being basically from the same group of candidates for 100+ years.
Its not the point if they are great bosses or not. It's the point that people that have phone calls continually get promoted over people that dont. I know plenty of great bosses that scored well and will never get the chance to move up because they have zero clout. But remember this all of us came on this job knowing that this is how Chicago works.
What's even more sad is that most if not all the ones that put them in were merit also.
I love the fact that people are saying "There's nothing you can say about so and so"....well there is...."THEY DIDN'T PASS THE FUCKING TEST!!!!" Stole someone's spot...plain and simple...we do not need the merit promotion process. If you dont test well...too bad....you passed tests to get on this job...study then.
Not a cop but a military veteran. We advanced by exams and evaluations. We all hadcaccess to tge same training, no curve on the exams. Why not the same for police? Please explain merit promotions, is there a limit, does anyone have to explain why merit?
Commander Waller is a snake. I'm glad Waller is no longer in the 002nd district and his obtuse successor, Commander Williams, is an even worst merit hack.........
Anonymous said...
I knew Lt. Duffin in the 7th Dist. I worked with him on a beat car when we were Patrolman. .I've worked with him since his promotions. . He's the real deal. Anyone who knows him will agree. Good Policeman!
Kevin is still a lt.
Let's take a look at 'One Way Ray' Hamilton. Promoted by the 'retired sgt. who came back as a civilian commander to be the eyes and ears of Jimmy Jackson' Bob Roman; the same Bob Roman who was a sgt. and for many, many years was assigned to the 1st Deputy's office, until he pissed off a secretary to then 1st Deputy John Thomas with some exceedingly crude remarks. Roman then did a small stint in Narcotics as the Admin. Sgt., but in truth, did nothing, because he was pretty much unskilled. Upon the untimely death of John Thomas, Roman was slid right back into the 1st Deputy's office, where he remained until his retirement. Roman's kid also managed to get into Narcotics with only FOUR (4) years on the job…amazing. Little Roman then was moved over to the Mayor's detail, and was assigned there until Rahm entered City Hall, and a new commander was selected for the Mayor's detail, and young Roman received the boot. But let's not forget that Ray-Ray Hamilton was (briefly) placed by Weis as cmdr. of the Mayor's detail, until Hillard replaced Weis. As a civilian commander, Roman pretty much did whatever was dictated to him by City Hall; he had a long standing relationship with old man Daley, which then carried over to Shortshanks. All of Roman's merit submissions came directly from City Hall, without question. No doubt, Hamilton came into his merit bars by way of his boss, Masters. Hamilton and Masters have continued to flourish as only Machine insiders can do, moving over to the county and taking up God only knows how much office space, computers and County assigned vehicles under the guise of 'homeland security.' To the poster who feels blacks have made so much headway under Merit, take a real good look. Sure, blacks have gotten a few bites of the apple, but they don't even get close to the core. Some of those connections between the merit appointee and the exempt are rather dubious too. Jose Ramirez is now Cmdr. of 017. I'm willing to bet that he and (then) Cmdr. Lewis weren't friends, or ran in the same circles..so who put the thumb on her to appoint him? And Cesario and Eddie Johnson? Noel Sanchez and Jimmy O'Grady? Somebody at the hall was giving hispanics a huge push, and it appears that a lot of commanders just went along for the ride in submitting them. Sad thing is, Lewis eventually got dumped, by a black alderwoman.
SCC, NOPE YOU ARE ALL WRONG ON THIS! Somebody not on paper is pulling the strings way, way behind the scenes. RJ Hamilton was directly from Weiss and had very little contact on Roman's log. So of these people and certainly Hamilton were Sponsored beyond the people listed. The question is who and that's where the Federal Investigation should begin. These people have taken tens of thousands of dollars our of families that should have had their moms or dads promoted. The whole CPD Promotion System is Flawed, Corrupt and Rotten.
Merit Picks = MASSIVE Discrimination.
Was that female lt ,chief of country club hills one of Chicago finest merit picks
Two things I wonder...how many of these Special Nine were also "merited" their sergeant's chevrons? And will anyone take up the cause for the discrimination suffered by the Rank Order Rejects?
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1/13/2014 01:28:00 AM
Your kidding, right? Merit promotions were approved by the federal judge as a method to promote minorities, although in the past it has not worked out that way. In my Lts class there was one minority and he was rank order. He was a commander in 2 months . Merit came right after that. No one cares about the white male and you should know that by now. It is called " the white privilege" and if you listen to the race hustlers we have benefited by this " privilege" all of our lives. The ACLU stated that they will not take up any case of a white man who feels discriminated against in affirmative action cases. Merit first came out in the Detroit PD and you know how that worked out. The chiefs relatives and girlfriend made merit promotions just before he was indicted.No one cares when it comes to race.
Yes, you can see the pattern here. But, also, you can see people cheery pick the merit promotes and say how wonderful their choice are but how bad the rest are as if that justifies the entire process. Well, it does not, at least not how it is structured in the CPD. Make it an open process with people from outside the state making the selections based on the entire application. Otherwise, it is cronyism at its best.
OT: Jim Beam/Another USA firm sold to foreign interests
"Suntory Holdings Ltd has agreed a $16 billion deal to buy Deerfield's Beam Inc, making the Japanese company the world's third-largest maker of distilled drinks with a global footprint."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/sns-beam-inc-being-bought-by-suntory-20140113,0,7385981.story
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...
"Out of those 9 picks, seven have since been promoted again, to Captain or Commander. And in one case, both. The 21 rank-order promotees? Not a single one has made XO or better."
I'd like to take it just one step further if I may, SCC.
While Caucasian, I've finagled and managed to get my hands on that extremely over played, tired and tattered, dog-eared old deck of Race Cards.
I plan on shuffling 'em up real good and dealing hands to the media and anyone else who'll listen regarding the fact that 8 of the nine merit pukes listed appear to be of Hispanic or African American lineage.
It seems Whites were woefully underrepresented in the merit selection process that go-around, not to mention subsequent bites at the Merit Apple. If the shoe were on the other foot you can bet your ass the likes of Jesse Jackass, Pfather Pfaker and assorted African-American Aldercreatures would be raising hell.
Two things I wonder...how many of these Special Nine were also "merited" their sergeant's chevrons? And will anyone take up the cause for the discrimination suffered by the Rank Order Rejects?
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1/13/2014 01:28:00 AM
Agreed. This shithole department is full of hypocrites and spineless bosses who will do what they're told because they are afraid of what might happen to their "spot" rather than doing the right thing or what is in the best interest of this department.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This used to be a great job. Now it sucks. Secret study groups. Secret meritorious promotions. A union with a dishonorable President who lies and promotes his own agenda. What happened to us? What happened to bosses who cared about the troops? What happened to our appearance? What happened to our squad cars? What happened to our fitness level? Doesn't anyone care about the Chicago Police Department? 87 million dollars spent on VRI but no money for raises for us. What is happening to our pension? What are we going to do? I suggest we band together. We have no one to help us but each other. The Sgt's have a contract. The Lt's and Captains know they will not be affected because they have clout and want to be promoted. The exempts will not say anything because they are scared of this Supt. The Alderman are the Mayor's whipping boys. I hate this job. I really do. I don't hate my fellow blue shirts but I hate what CPD has become. Will it get better? I think it will get worse before it gets better. Our police dept has been destroyed by promoting non working police officers. God Help us with these managers.
1/13/2014 01:31:00 AM
Well said. We do need to band together. This divide and conquer bullshit it ridiculous. We need to make sure we vote for some new bodies into our union. Any thoughts anyone please give truthful information for upcoming candidates. I have my eyes on the Dean Angelo Team for now but I still need to hear some things from the others. Please chime in on this important upcoming matter. Even you SCC I want to hear your thoughts.
OT. Question: The police marine unit and fire dive units show up at the same time to a water rescue like happened last night on McClurg Ct. and the river.
Who is the incident commander? Somebody better figure this out real fast because if somebody on 5 starts to believe that those agencies can't play nice and at the very least communicate with each other on a rescue it might just occur to someone that one or the other should get sole authority.
And with 9.5 eager to get every cop he can on a beat......
Roman nominated who he was told to nominate. And shortly after doing as he was told, they stuck it to Roman and showed him the door.
Jimmy Sanchez has always been the real police. Best copper I ever worked with. A gentleman and stand up guy.
lordy , lordy all from units
no clout fo sure
Pena from 010 has been merit her entire career and look where it got her commander of 010 and single handed lay destroyed a great place to work. In my entire career there have Ben 1 or 2 openings. And now back to back periods 10 openings each. No offense we are becoming like 3 and 5 with openings every transfer bid 010 is a shit hole with this moron running things along with her little minion sgt Muniz I've been a et my entire career and now I don't leave the station because it's dangerous out there and sgt Sosa who runs safe passage and will try to spar you for any little thing. Rumor is he is going to 26 cal and copying the sign out sheets and checking up on you there who does he think he is a inspector. Be careful out there this is not a good place to work or bid into. Considered yourself warned. Do not bid into 010 you will become very bitter full and the micro managing and constant haunting for contact cards because some officers really fucked the numbers up by over bloating ther arrests and contact cards because commander merit wanted to be number 1 in all categories. Everyday people are getting spared counseled for activity contact cards being down on the beat. It ridiculous you have been warned go somewhere else if your bidding out
Remember that just because a Commander put one of these nominees in for merit selection doesn't mean that that commander is their juice. I remember in 023 commander Delopez putting in a PO for meritorious sgt and he didn't even work in 023 , seems commander Joe was told to put him in by the powers that be. I made sgt. In 1998 off the list and out of 75 merit sgt sat least 11 are now Exempts, hell out 1st Deputy was a merit sgt. In my class in 1998 and he was meritly promoted ever since, so remember boys and girls, as our department motto says " Earned not Given" ...............
Retired and worked in area One for Duffin when he was a sergeant and as lieutenant. He really deserves the position he's in. Notice he is still at area central. The area would
fall apart without him. A policeman's policeman. He is one of the few I miss on the job.
Hey blue shirts enjoy your skinny pensions. Merit promotions equal fat-cat pensions which reward you for your loyal service to the master gold stars. Heck an added benefit to these merit picks is you now have "executive" level management skills to enhance your resume. This is a plus when you seek a command position making fat stacks in these smaller departments to supplement your bloated pensions. Its a shame, but it is reality. Working hard and being productive attests to one's character, but this isn't the criteria used to assign "merit". Its like organized crime, you are "made" when your are part of the family. Merits are always "annointed" or "sponsored" by someone in the inner circles. Call it unethical, but in reality it is a subtle form of corruption which is a slap in the face to those who believe in the system and play by the rules.
Kevin Duffin, very deserving. Observe that most of the candidates are minoity BUT Duffin was put in by a female black.
I'm sure it's just one big coincidence..... seeing how Napolean and McFailure are on the up & up and real big on transparency!
The interesting thing is - the sponsors who nominated these Meir - many were merit themselves.
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Kevin Duffin is superior. Great leader.
Jose Ramirez real fair. Good boss.
Noel Sanchez very good boss. Very open.
Fred Waller is a great guy. Humble.
James Sanchez is a good boss, but feels he is superior
Ray Hamilton is an absolute Tool. His sponsor was a Sgt who was connected. Roman and his kid think they are special. Nope- just hooked up.
Jimmy Sanchez from 193 is the real police. Hands on!
From PO - to Sgt- to Lt.- He's the real deal. Fair - respectful and best of all still goes out with his men and puts hands on the criminal. Don't know and don't care about the others but I hope they make Sanchez a commander or better. He leads by example. Great great boss!
OT:
Feder calls CBS2 out on its lack of candor in the Savini arrest.
http://www.robertfeder.com/2014/01/13/cbs-2-still-stonewalling-on-savini/
That list is just one of many such examples of the connected getting promoted. I only respect those who put in the years, worked the street, and who studied and legitimately passed the tests, screw the rest. This department reflects this country as a whole, we continue to lower the bar and it shows. What a complete mess this department is. Violent crime is out of control, clearance rates are in the toilet, but don't worry there are plenty of millionaires being made.
One would think they would promote one of two off of the list just to give the illusion of fairness. Pure arrogance.
Do you mean we don't pick the best and brightest?
Do you mean that the OBJECTIVE part of a promotional test is pass fail for a reason?
Do you mean that the SUBJECTIVE part of a promotional test determines the rank order for a reason?
I'm shocked.
Next you are going to tell me there is no Easter Bunny or Santa.
How about the ones that were in the secrete Lt study group given by subject matter expert JRD.
Lt P Casey
Lt M Lameka
Cmdr West
Cmdr Staples
Larry Watson???!!! Oh please
I hope that in the years to come, with a large number of our younger and middle-aged officers having served in Iraq and Afghanistan, (some multiple times) that we might finally get some true leaders on this job. It might be wishful thinking but it's who we need.
019 Dist. Dog where are you? We miss you.
What about Shakman? Same names all the time on those lists. And remember they are usually in some nice unit before they get promoted. Then right back to a unit after they get promoted.
OT; something the insignifcant blog posted almost 2 weeks ago...Slumtimes catches on - Gov hopeful Bruce Rauner gave Payton $250K after pulling strings to get daughter into elite high school...Must be humbling to be right all the time...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/24839723-452/gov-hopeful-bruce-rauner-gave-payton-250k-after-pulling-strings-to-get-daughter-into-elite.html
Anonymous said...
I hope that in the years to come, with a large number of our younger and middle-aged officers having served in Iraq and Afghanistan, (some multiple times) that we might finally get some true leaders on this job. It might be wishful thinking but it's who we need.
1/13/2014 01:53:00 PM
Would be nice, but this department isn't ready for "true leaders." "True leaders" can not be controlled and that scares the shit out of the bean counters.
I hope that in the years to come, with a large number of our younger and middle-aged officers having served in Iraq and Afghanistan, (some multiple times) that we might finally get some true leaders on this job. It might be wishful thinking but it's who we need.
1/13/2014 01:53:00 PM
Now I served in the military myself (marines) so I'm not trashing our armed forces at all... But what makes you think that just because someone was in the military they are the godsend and saviors of the cpd? Most of the rubbers on this job are former military. They need to stop thinking that the cpd is the military. They need to pull the stick from their rear end and lighten up. I was deployed to the first gulf war.. Many of the kids coming on now 10 years or less who were in the military are complete hardo dorks, must be the "new military" that started around 97 or so. This is not the military, I learned that when I got on in 94 with cpd real quick. Trying to run this place like a military unit will do way more harm than good. Save the military crap for the academy.. Whole different world once you hit that beat car
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. Question: The police marine unit and fire dive units show up at the same time to a water rescue like happened last night on McClurg Ct. and the river.
Who is the incident commander? Somebody better figure this out real fast because if somebody on 5 starts to believe that those agencies can't play nice and at the very least communicate with each other on a rescue it might just occur to someone that one or the other should get sole authority.
And with 9.5 eager to get every cop he can on a beat......
1/13/2014 10:59:00 AM
Who are you kidding? You're TRYING to stir up shit.
Do you really think it's better to have one diver in the water, instead of three, when lives are at stake?
It would be CRIMINAL to limit the response when three people have fallen into frigid water. (We're not debating the stupidity of those who went in because of a dropped cell phone, we're just talking about increasing the possibility of saving their lives once they DO go in the water.)
Hold me down on reports in the station??? What reports you been on medical past 8 months. Are you really going to come back to district and stay down on bullshit to not get jobs or go eat??? As busy as it is in our district. Wow
Pena from 010 has been merit her entire career
How about that tool on days 1070, ramon, micro managing anything that moves. I knew feom back in 011 and said what's up ramon, and he said, its sgt ok. Almost reminds me of ceja
@ 0905:
Military and cop here. Army does not take promotion exams. We have professional schools, obviously there are tests throughout the school but no comprehensive promotion exam with rankings etc.
valdez = double merit
@ 01:42pm.
Disgusted to hear about another secret "study group" lead by another subject matter expert. All group members are clout babies, and already in nice spots hidden somewhere. It seriously is incriminating and wrong!! When will these clout babies ever have to do any real police work? How can you EVER relate to the rest of us? Thats why this Dept is so FUCKED UP!!! DISGUSTED!!!!
@ 0905:
One more thing...the military frocks people and I know we have waivers and promotions from the secondary zone, that is a similar concept to merit. You don't meet the most stringent criteria but we want to give you a shot anyway. I learned about cutting corners, cheating, and beating the system in the military WAYYYY before I ever became the police...ever heard "If you aint cheating, you aint trying"? Before anyone gets on a moral high horse and questions my integrity you won't see anywhere in my comments where I celebrate or embrace it but I did see it firsthand with Uncle Sam so I HATE when people talk like the military actually has values etc. because if you have served you know military values sound like GMac's crime is down...instead of sure thing boss we say roger and keep it moving. same old story in both cases.
"OT. Question: The police marine unit and fire dive units show up at the same time to a water rescue like happened last night on McClurg Ct. and the river.
Who is the incident commander? Somebody better figure this out real fast because if somebody on 5 starts to believe that those agencies can't play nice and at the very least communicate with each other on a rescue it might just occur to someone that one or the other should get sole authority.
And with 9.5 eager to get every cop he can on a beat....."
CFD is in charge of all rescues and fire related incidents once they are on scene...it is in our orders.
Anonymous said...
OT. Question: The police marine unit and fire dive units show up at the same time to a water rescue like happened last night on McClurg Ct. and the river.
Who is the incident commander? Somebody better figure this out real fast because if somebody on 5 starts to believe that those agencies can't play nice and at the very least communicate with each other on a rescue it might just occur to someone that one or the other should get sole authority.
And with 9.5 eager to get every cop he can on a beat......
1/13/2014 10:59:00 AM
If you were there, then you should look up and see whats happening before you post here. It was a police scene until fire showed up, then it was their scene during the rescue portion. Once it was determined to be a recovery operation, it reverted back to our scene. The playing well together part was nothing more than dive masters controlling THEIR divers. It was a time for orders, not requests. There was no infighting and the fire units stayed and provided support to the recovery operation once their part was done. It worked as it should, but the outcome was what anyone hoped.
Just worry about football pools, how much special employment you can get, and if you and your partner have a clean squad car.
Sad fact is nobody gives you clout you earn it.
You may have a pretty mouth.
Your daddy back in the days worked with an exempt.
Your china man (Burke) loves your election petitions.
So go out there and get you SUM CLOUT.
Don't expect leadership from guys just because they deployed. I'm a reservist that never deployed and for the second time I have had to cover down for a person that outranks me/ has more time in grade that has deployed because they weren't able to lead a drunk to an open bar 100 feet away. Believe me when I say I hate to admit that. I came on with active duty guys who had deployed as NCOs. You couldn't pay them to read their own contract or the most basic GOs and I only know because I informed them of what they said several times. As a service member the one thing I can say the military really prepared me for in the police world was stupid decisions and shenanigans though being a cop may actually take the cake for both.
Anonymous said...
1/13/2014 01:28:00 AM now you know what it feels like to be the minority. Doesn't feel so good does it-- lol
1/13/2014 08:47:00 AM
The joke is on the minority groups who are viewed as incapable of being promoted in any other way. Lol!!!
Remember McCarthy was Deputy Commissioner in New York with 19 years on the job. Not too bad. He has taken a bite out of that merit apple several times. Google him!
Well I guess the 12 of us that just made Lt off the list, can kiss any further promotions adios. lol lol
I guess being a swell guy and a hard worker kd means he deserves a merit promotion. I'm sure there were a lot of nice white guys who were hard workers too that didn't get promoted. The promotional system and the whole job is a joke. Make the job work for you make OT. Get your degree. Etc eTc. Then get out
I've been at water rescues in which both the CFD and CPD marine units are on scene and they are
A cluster fuck, with no one clearly in charge and
piss poor radio comms between the two!
Add the USCG and its a wonder anyone ever gets rescued!
Anonymous said...
How about the ones that were in the secrete Lt study group given by subject matter expert JRD.
Lt P Casey
Lt M Lameka
Cmdr West
Cmdr Staples
.......
Staples made Lt with me in summer of '05. Those other characters were from the next test. Are you saying she was in a secret study group for a rank she already held? Remember this, a good lie is based in truth. Go make shit up somewhere else. And yes, I know Staples was merit and I don't care.
P.S.
Those study groups aren't secret, they're invite only.
This was one of the lists where I felt like they got it right! I worked with RAMIREZ, VALADEZ and SANCHEZ and they are all deserving. They were all the real police. Great coppers, great bosses and great people. I would follow them through a door anytime.
Another young innocent teenage girl shot on the southside this morning. Tick tock Garry. These aldermen are going to turn on this guy so fast in the springtime,he's going to hope he can get the first flight back east.
Ray Ray Hamilton helped to destroy the CPD under Masters Masters Masters and Weiss
A wannabe warrior went to USMC OCS and never took a commission but has a bind full of his BS certificates from training he got the dept to pay for. Took a swat slot and never served. WHY? did he get promoted What a waste
Ray Hamilton was dirty ever since the academy. He had the questions list for every single test. It was a list of 50 questions for every weekly test that the instructor picked 10 randomly. He scored 100% every time. His note book was completely empty, I saw it. At the end of training the homeroom instructor walked past every desk and checked every notebook for daily notes. The only one he did not check was rays. Walked right past him. Ray also got caught doing a couple of questionable things over the years that would have had most if us suspended or fired. So there you go. A tool since day one.
Lets not forget Galleghar, Devine and Kelly were given special answers for Detective and Sgt. examine. At best fair tact guys.
The biggest jagoffs in the Area. They know everything just ask them. Kiss asses all the way. Ask Peterson. Devine and Kelly pls show up to work ur teams need you.
How about it, ONE MERIT promotion in your career. That's it, one time. Then watch them languish as Det's or Sgt's the rest of their career.
1/13/2014 09:00:00 AM
Really, no merit, it's how you study. We have enough "brains" on the job who haven't a clue how to do the job, but, according to you deserve it because they did well on a test.
Tell ya what "brainiac", there are guys out there with High School diplomas who are and can make better bosses than the good test takers.
Try using some of YOUR smarts.
Cooter refused all merit promotions!
Was that female lt ,chief of country club hills one of Chicago finest merit picks
1/13/2014 09:59:00 AM
No fucking doubt about it!
Remember we are the police. If you want the military patrolling your city go to north korea or some other fucked up country.
Semper fi
really , look at all current captains , xo , command staff and unit commanding officers
you will be shocked at the fact
most were Merit sgt and lt
only the best and brightest , cannot score high on a promotional test , become appointed as gold star leaders of the cpd
end that gold braid pension fop
Surprise surprise surprise! The fat get fatter. By the way has the merit sgt Pee Wee ratted anyone out yet in sgt's school. He was known as the snitch when he was in GED, always kissing up to the bosses by ratting people out.
Anonymous said...
I love the fact that people are saying "There's nothing you can say about so and so"....well there is...."THEY DIDN'T PASS THE FUCKING TEST!!!!" Stole someone's spot...plain and simple...we do not need the merit promotion process. If you dont test well...too bad....you passed tests to get on this job...study then.
1/13/2014 09:00:00 AM
Hey GOOF. Do you know how many non-merit promotees are complete morons? Same percentage as the merits.
So get off your high and mighty horse about merit promotees. And NO, I'm not a sgt or Lt.
Merit, on-merit? WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK.
I will say I have known Kevin Duffin and his old partner,MG. Had the chance to work with them at times. He was a great damn cop and just as good as a Sergeant. Kevin was a cop who anyone can learn a hell of alot about being a street cop. Some people who are highly intelligent st the job, but freeze on a test.
People should beg for him to be their supervisor. I know he never forgot where he started.
I guess all those Irish bosses were just so smart. I am not buying it nor should you
Hamilton took a spot. For what he should be giving the option to return and serve on CPD or demoted. His rank should start when he returns. Keep it for 3 years shouldn't be at his job at county. That's BS a Golden Ticket for what? No wonder our pension is in trouble
Anonymous said...
Jimmy Sanchez from 193 is the real police. Hands on!
From PO - to Sgt- to Lt.- He's the real deal. Fair - respectful and best of all still goes out with his men and puts hands on the criminal. Don't know and don't care about the others but I hope they make Sanchez a commander or better. He leads by example. Great great boss!
He loves this job and is at the place he wants to be. Doesn't want to be promoted. Great right where he is.
Angarone was merit Lieutenant. Fact
I love the fact that people are saying "There's nothing you can say about so and so"....well there is...."THEY DIDN'T PASS THE FUCKING TEST!!!!" Stole someone's spot...plain and simple...we do not need the merit promotion process. If you dont test well...too bad....you passed tests to get on this job...study then.
You're wrong. They passed the test they just didn't score as high. Big difference. When you take the test, you are told up to 30% of the test takers can be promoted by merit. There is no stolen spot. I am waiting off the old list for sgt, I'm close, might not make it. I took the new test just in case. If I don't make it, oh well. No one promised anyone of us anything.
I know a handful of people that have been promoted by merit. Some are outstanding supervisors, some are complete idiots and have no business being promoted by any means, merit or test. I know even more supervisors that have been promoted off the list, and they can't make a decision, are cowards when the shit hits the fan, refuse to stand up for the troops hide all night long....I can go on and on.
Do I think the merit process is flawed, absolutely. Do I believe there should be a promotion by means of merit. Indeed I do. Define it, set up a criteria, let all eligible officers submit a packet. Make it a rigorous process. Only the strong will survive.
Leaders aren't determined by a test score, they are determined by actions and words. When something bad happens, I don't care what they scored on a test, but if they make good decisions and know what they are doing.
Kevin Duffin - one of the three smartest lieutenants on the job right now and the other is Brendan Deenihan. They both carry the entire weight of Area Central and South on their shoulders. If it wasn't for them, just about every Commander on the south side would be suicidal. The sad thing is, both of them work twenty hour days, KNOW THEIR SHIT and prolly won't ever see another promotion. They are both too good at what they do and the far-sighted department has no plan in place to mentor in a replacement for them. And the other sad thing is this department will work them both into an early grave and neither will get more than one pension check. God Bless you both and I pray I am wrong.
FYI, J.Sanchez was Jerry Finnigans partner for many years before being promoted to detective. Not pointing fingers just informing.
OT - whatever became of our NATO checks from that grievance?
OT , for one of SCC computer geeks
How many murders in 2013 if black and Hispanics are removed from total count ?
This could bethe reason for knocking down projects , section 8 in suburbs .
Democrats are on the right track , remove problem from city limits.
A few murders occurred on Dan Ryan expressway, state problem , not city of Chicago .
I went to college because my parents paid an obscene amount of money for me to go to a catholic h.s.(city kid)
I played a college sport and was recruited because I earned it.
I was provided with an opportunity that all parents should strive for.
I got on this job for the silly (not to me) reason I wanted to be a part of what my Dad and Uncle were, THE police.
I am a city kid my whole life. Not Mt Greenwood/Beverly/ or whatever are the same North side areas.
I am the POLICE. There is no military training that makes you better than me. I might have a chip on my shoulder towards the new suburban recruits, but where the hell else are we going to get coppers from? Five to six good residential areas? It aint enough and it will never be like it used to be. (every generation was better than before)
God bless your service but quit acting like you are special because you served.(and lose the blood type symbol on your vest kid. If you are hit we will get you to a hospital. You look like a goof)
There have always been vets on this job but they were never given special "preference" points.
You will always be Navy, Marines, Army, Air Force. You are now the CHICAGO POLICE.
Get it?
Staples made Lt with me in summer of '05. Those other characters were from the next test. Are you saying she was in a secret study group for a rank she already held? Remember this, a good lie is based in truth. Go make shit up somewhere else. And yes, I know Staples was merit and I don't care.
P.S.
Those study groups aren't secret, they're invite only.
1/13/2014 05:56:00 PM
Of course you don't care but a lot of us do care. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
I love the poster who stated the truth, Finnegan and Sanchez were partners, and damn good police.
Jerry eventually f-ed up, but why was he never merit promoted to at least Dic? He was one of the best cops I ever met.
Maybe he was being used, and he had no clout to get him promoted. He certainly deserved it.
In a way the job created Jerry. All his bosses are almost as guilty as him.
How many of the Sponsors of merit picks also were merit Sargent and lieutenant?
That is a problem , merit picking who ever they are advised to pick.
It be Da chitcawga way
Shut the fuck up about Hamilton. He and Weiss did more to try and fix this department then you're fat ass Phil Cline or this McDrunk.
Yes T Williams is a snake and think he's going to be promoted to higher rank. Don't trust him
He has connections to City Hall and is singing like a canary.
Hey goof...obviously they are not promoting the best and brightest...so I'll take the person who went out and studied for the test instead of the guy with a chinaman. You are right though on one thing there needs to be a defined process if they are to continue it. Why have a test at all then?? More morons than good people.
By far, it appears (from the comments, as well as those who knew him well before his sabbatical over to the county) that Ray Hamilton was the most undeserving of the group in this thread.
Anonymous said...
Kevin Duffin - one of the three smartest lieutenants on the job right now and the other is Brendan Deenihan. They both carry the entire weight of Area Central and South on their shoulders. If it wasn't for them, just about every Commander on the south side would be suicidal. The sad thing is, both of them work twenty hour days, KNOW THEIR SHIT and prolly won't ever see another promotion. They are both too good at what they do and the far-sighted department has no plan in place to mentor in a replacement for them. And the other sad thing is this department will work them both into an early grave and neither will get more than one pension check. God Bless you both and I pray I am wrong.
1/13/2014 10:12:00 PM
If Duffin is so fucking smart why couldn't he pass an examination high enough to be promoted in rank order? Another Irish folk hero who is where he is in order to take the phone call in the middle of the night and do what his benefactors tell him to do.
OT
hey what about the xo from 012 wasnt hear a merit pick as well.
Merit should be arrests, assignments to tough districts as a sgt, and attendance. Should look at your record as a PO too
Not someone's opinion
1/13/2014 01:31:00 AM said
This divide and conquer bullshit it ridiculous. We need to make sure we vote for some new bodies into our union.
We have never had a a union. FOP is NOT a union. Its a collective bargaining unit. A real union would stand up for its members.
Ray Hamilton was dirty ever since the academy. He had the questions list for every single test. It was a list of 50 questions for every weekly test that the instructor picked 10 randomly. He scored 100% every time. His note book was completely empty, I saw it. At the end of training the homeroom instructor walked past every desk and checked every notebook for daily notes. The only one he did not check was rays. Walked right past him. Ray also got caught doing a couple of questionable things over the years that would have had most if us suspended or fired. So there you go. A tool since day one.
1/13/2014 06:18:00 PM
Hey, me too! I had perfect scores for neatness and organization and zero for content. Passing grade. Woho..
The sad thing is, both of them work twenty hour days,
Bahhhhhh Bullshit get off your knees and wipe you Please
Leaders aren't determined by a test score, they are determined by actions and words. When something bad happens, I don't care what they scored on a test, but if they make good decisions and know what they are doing.
**Yes Yes So Ray Ray Hamilton got promoted and RAN RAN AWAY like a coward Some Marine Ha No leadership
Doesn't want to be promoted. Great right where he is.
Yah ok Sure!!!
Remember we are the police. If you want the military patrolling your city go to north korea or some other fucked up country.
Semper fi
Some POs have been to the DMZ in Korea and served
In my class in 1998 and he was meritly promoted ever since, so remember boys and girls, as our department motto says " Earned not Given" ...............
1/13/2014 11:34:00 AM
Ho, Ho, Ho your self, gently up the tree
Meritly, meritly, meritly...life is but a dream
Remember we are the police. If you want the military patrolling your city go to north korea or some other fucked up country.
Semper fi
1/13/2014 07:54:00 PM
It's not my city. I could give a rats arse about it
It's just a shithole place I am forced to live in with my family due to my job. The military calls it an "accompanied tour". Think of it as a 20 year accompanied tour
IAD here! Jimmy and jerry finnigan were very very close! So close they had to answer some very tuff questions. Like who has more clout.
Anonymous said...
That is precisely why these crooks shouldn't be able to get a pension at that who they know rate
Exactly! Why are the rank and file supporting these fucks- at our own expense!
Can we at least agree for pension reform at the top?
"Jimmy Sanchez from 193 is the real police. Hands on!
From PO - to Sgt- to Lt.- He's the real deal. Fair - respectful and best of all still goes out with his men and puts hands on the criminal. Don't know and don't care about the others but I hope they make Sanchez a commander or better. He leads by example. Great great boss!"
Anytime you want to get off your knee you spineless clouted suckhole.Sickening
At one time, veterans were given 5 points, one time, to use on a promotional exam.
I went to college because my parents paid an obscene amount of money for me to go to a catholic h.s.(city kid)
I played a college sport and was recruited because I earned it.
I was provided with an opportunity that all parents should strive for.
I got on this job for the silly (not to me) reason I wanted to be a part of what my Dad and Uncle were, THE police.
I am a city kid my whole life. Not Mt Greenwood/Beverly/ or whatever are the same North side areas.
I am the POLICE. There is no military training that makes you better than me. I might have a chip on my shoulder towards the new suburban recruits, but where the hell else are we going to get coppers from? Five to six good residential areas? It aint enough and it will never be like it used to be. (every generation was better than before)
God bless your service but quit acting like you are special because you served.(and lose the blood type symbol on your vest kid. If you are hit we will get you to a hospital. You look like a goof)
There have always been vets on this job but they were never given special "preference" points.
You will always be Navy, Marines, Army, Air Force. You are now the CHICAGO POLICE.
Get it?
1/13/2014 11:23:00 PM
Spoken like a true civilian! You will never get it.
Stop crying about merit people the system is not going to change deal with it, or quit. It is what it is. Every race benefits from it some more than others. Ask yourself if someone puts you in for meritorious you wouldnt take the promotion. Yeah right. Get over it. Stay safe my fellow officers.
SCC:
When you get a chance print out the 75 or so "Merit" sergeants from 1998.
You have to love to look at that list of political hacks.
Anonymous said...
Let's take a look at 'One Way Ray' Hamilton. Promoted by the 'retired sgt. who came back as a civilian commander to be the eyes and ears of Jimmy Jackson' Bob Roman; the same Bob Roman who was a sgt. and for many, many years was assigned to the 1st Deputy's office, until he pissed off a secretary to then 1st Deputy John Thomas with some exceedingly crude remarks. Roman then did a small stint in Narcotics as the Admin. Sgt., but in truth, did nothing, because he was pretty much unskilled. Upon the untimely death of John Thomas, Roman was slid right back into the 1st Deputy's office, where he remained until his retirement. Roman's kid also managed to get into Narcotics with only FOUR (4) years on the job…amazing. Little Roman then was moved over to the Mayor's detail, and was assigned there until Rahm entered City Hall, and a new commander was selected for the Mayor's detail, and young Roman received the boot. But let's not forget that Ray-Ray Hamilton was (briefly) placed by Weis as cmdr. of the Mayor's detail, until Hillard replaced Weis. As a civilian commander, Roman pretty much did whatever was dictated to him by City Hall; he had a long standing relationship with old man Daley, which then carried over to Shortshanks. All of Roman's merit submissions came directly from City Hall, without question. No doubt, Hamilton came into his merit bars by way of his boss, Masters. Hamilton and Masters have continued to flourish as only Machine insiders can do, moving over to the county and taking up God only knows how much office space, computers and County assigned vehicles under the guise of 'homeland security.' To the poster who feels blacks have made so much headway under Merit, take a real good look. Sure, blacks have gotten a few bites of the apple, but they don't even get close to the core. Some of those connections between the merit appointee and the exempt are rather dubious too. Jose Ramirez is now Cmdr. of 017. I'm willing to bet that he and (then) Cmdr. Lewis weren't friends, or ran in the same circles..so who put the thumb on her to appoint him? And Cesario and Eddie Johnson? Noel Sanchez and Jimmy O'Grady? Somebody at the hall was giving hispanics a huge push, and it appears that a lot of commanders just went along for the ride in submitting them. Sad thing is, Lewis eventually got dumped, by a black alderwoman.
1/13/2014 09:24:00 AM
You're pretty much on target with all this, but ... who is (or was) "Commander Lewis?" Where was he (or she) assigned?
0924
No doubt, Hamilton came into his merit bars by way of his boss, Masters. Hamilton and Masters have continued to flourish as only Machine insiders can do, moving over to the county and taking up God only knows how much office space, computers and County assigned vehicles under the guise of 'homeland security.'
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Homeland insecurity and Emergency Mismanagement. Yup.
I would like to know why does Masters, Tilton and Hamilton carry guns at the County? Since when does an EMA need firepower like this? If these guys were policemen, I suppose they could qualify for an IROCC. But it eludes me as to why they need a gun on their job? I do not think Masters could get an IROCC as he did not retire from CPD with 10-15 years and currently receives no pension.
If Hamilton takes a LOA, can he still carry his pistol? If I took an LOA, damned sure I couldn't.
In the end I think only Tilton qualifies, assuming he retired from the feds
On top of this, they are going to all kinds of SWAT training, they all have squadcars with sirens and lights.
If one of these guys shoots someone, who indemnifies them? Do they qualify on their pistols? This guy Masters may well have been Weis's Chief of Staff, but this does not a policeman make. What are his credentials? Nothing in his Wikipedia page (I shit you not, he has a WIKIPEDIA PAGE!!) does it show Masters as a qualified LEO.
Smacks of when Elrod and O'Grady had Holiday Court Bailiffs, but they were not so dangerous.
--From someone who knows
I highly doubt Gallagher needed any answers for the test. He's like a walking book of general orders. If I had a question I would ask him
Roman nominated who he was told to nominate. And shortly after doing as he was told, they stuck it to Roman and showed him the door.
1/13/2014 11:04:00 AM
Not true. He wanted very much to work in the Supts office, for obvious reasons. He got there through very ruthless means by harming the careers of other bosses to get the spot. He was quite aware of what he was doing. At no time was he innocent, a victim, a patsy, etc. He did what he wanted to do. He was shown the door after the damage he had done to so many through unchecked power was too much to overlook.
Anonymous said...
Remember McCarthy was Deputy Commissioner in New York with 19 years on the job. Not too bad. He has taken a bite out of that merit apple several times. Google him!
1/13/2014 04:56:00 PM
He was also assistant to the police commissioner. The one who went to prison.
Anonymous said...
Kevin Duffin - one of the three smartest lieutenants on the job right now and the other is Brendan Deenihan. They both carry the entire weight of Area Central and South on their shoulders. If it wasn't for them, just about every Commander on the south side would be suicidal. The sad thing is, both of them work twenty hour days, KNOW THEIR SHIT and prolly won't ever see another promotion. They are both too good at what they do and the far-sighted department has no plan in place to mentor in a replacement for them. And the other sad thing is this department will work them both into an early grave and neither will get more than one pension check. God Bless you both and I pray I am wrong.
1/13/2014 10:12:00 PM
If Duffin is so fucking smart why couldn't he pass an examination high enough to be promoted in rank order? Another Irish folk hero who is where he is in order to take the phone call in the middle of the night and do what his benefactors tell him to do.
Obviously you believe every person who passes an exam makes a good supervisor. I would take a hundred KD over the last 100 Lieutenants who finished one thru ten on the last ten LT test.
The interesting thing is - the sponsors who nominated these Meir - many were merit themselves.
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Kevin Duffin is superior. Great leader.
Jose Ramirez real fair. Good boss.
Noel Sanchez very good boss. Very open.
Fred Waller is a great guy. Humble.
James Sanchez is a good boss, but feels he is superior
Ray Hamilton is an absolute Tool. His sponsor was a Sgt who was connected. Roman and his kid think they are special. Nope- just hooked up.
1/13/2014 12:04:00 PM
Lt. Hamilton is deserving. He is intelligent and competent. Just because your merit doesn't mean your incompetent. Many on this list are very competent and good bosses. Just proves that the merit system works. You have probably more bosses not merit that have made errors or judgement. It happens. Nothing to crucify anyone over merit or not.
@ 0905:
One more thing...the military frocks people and I know we have waivers and promotions from the secondary zone, that is a similar concept to merit. You don't meet the most stringent criteria but we want to give you a shot anyway. I learned about cutting corners, cheating, and beating the system in the military WAYYYY before I ever became the police...ever heard "If you aint cheating, you aint trying"? Before anyone gets on a moral high horse and questions my integrity you won't see anywhere in my comments where I celebrate or embrace it but I did see it firsthand with Uncle Sam so I HATE when people talk like the military actually has values etc. because if you have served you know military values sound like GMac's crime is down...instead of sure thing boss we say roger and keep it moving. same old story in both cases.
1/13/2014 04:14:00 PM
Thank you brother. Same story both cases. This stuff is just the way it is in life. No matter where you go, who you work for. That ain't how the real world is. Look out for yourself and your brothers and move on. You can succeed despite things trust me. Envying another or waiting for it to be fair is a waste.
TO: If Duffin is so fucking smart why couldn't he pass an examination high enough to be promoted in rank order? Another Irish folk hero who is where he is in order to take the phone call in the middle of the night and do what his benefactors tell him to do.
You sir are a stroke and must not have dealt with the man. Duffin is a stand up guy who looks out for his people and ANYONE that wears the uniform... For that matter ANY uniform and there have been some from other agencies that have been involved in police situations that area central has investigated.... Also, all Duffin wanted was to be a Detective but the Sergeant's class was called first (rank order off test) Duffin has only taken ONE bite from the apple and in this situation got the department got it right... He wasn't meritorious his entire career...
There have always been vets on this job but they were never given special "preference" points.
You will always be Navy, Marines, Army, Air Force. You are now the CHICAGO POLICE.
Get it?
1/13/2014 11:23:00 PM
As a matter of fact, you are wrong. When I came on the job in '68 all but 3-4 of my class of 34 were vets. There was a noticeable difference between the vets and those who were not, both in the academy and in the districts. And, on the sergeant's exam we were given extra points for active duty served.Military service alone does not make you a good anything, but usually what you learned in the service gives you the tools to be better employee if you want to be. The only people jealous of veterans are those who choose not to be. My old partner, who made commander on affirmative action and political clout always said he regretted getting his student deferment and not serving. Nothing stopped him at the time.
Anonymous said...
@ 0905:
Military and cop here. Army does not take promotion exams. We have professional schools, obviously there are tests throughout the school but no comprehensive promotion exam with rankings etc.
1/13/2014 04:08:00 PM
Have been out of army for awhile but there used to be promotion boards which ranked individuals. Promotion packets go up the chain of command for higher ranks. So, in some ways there are promotion test as there were extensive lists of questions that were asked at promotion boards. But, yes, politics do come into play as does affirmative action. I have sat on many promotion boards in the states as well as in Germany.
Kevin Duffin - one of the three smartest lieutenants on the job right now and the other is Brendan Deenihan.
1/13/2014 10:12:00 PM
I stopped reading right there. Your lack of kindergarten math skills leaves the rest of your post inconsequential.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
1/13/2014 01:28:00 AM now you know what it feels like to be the minority. Doesn't feel so good does it-- lol
1/13/2014 08:47:00 AM
The joke is on the minority groups who are viewed as incapable of being promoted in any other way. Lol!!!
1/13/2014 04:51:00 PM
I used to think the same thing. Truth is when they retire with a better pension than yours and the same time on, I don't think they will miss sleep and be up all night wondering who thought they were capable or not. They are laughing right back at you because you still haven't figured out that capability and competence is not a priority in this job. Why would they think the joke is on them...do you think the white merit hacks feel the joke is on them? Nope. They're laughing at you too, same reason. They got theirs and don't care how.
I love the poster who stated the truth, Finnegan and Sanchez were partners, and damn good police.
Jerry eventually f-ed up, but why was he never merit promoted to at least Dic? He was one of the best cops I ever met.
Maybe he was being used, and he had no clout to get him promoted. He certainly deserved it.
In a way the job created Jerry. All his bosses are almost as guilty as him.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
STFU he was an idiot ... Lots of coppers out there who did as much or more . Oh you say those coppers didn't work in Homan Square? Well there are good coppers everywhere in this city . Jerry was nothing special .
Would be nice, but this department isn't ready for "true leaders." "True leaders" can not be controlled and that scares the shit out of the bean counters.
and that's the truth
The most disgusting part is those merit promotees were all sponsored by merit promotees who were already excempts by that point.
The whole gold star club is saturated with unqualified multiple merit hacks. Every one of them screwed a better qualified person out of a promotion every time they took another bite of the merit apple.
Its no wonder this department is in a death roll.
1/14/2014 07:04:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Jimmy Sanchez from 193 is the real police. Hands on!
From PO - to Sgt- to Lt.- He's the real deal. Fair - respectful and best of all still goes out with his men and puts hands on the criminal. Don't know and don't care about the others but I hope they make Sanchez a commander or better. He leads by example. Great great boss!"
Anytime you want to get off your knee you spineless clouted suckhole.Sickening
1/14/2014 07:09:00 AM
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ya, that's great for Jimmy Sanchez but the implication is what? That a guy who passed the test wouldn't do the same? I know, tell me all about the boos who made it on score but is a stroke ... I've heard it ....
What's with the special details made available only to the select few to work as assistant/observers?
There are two groups preparing for out of town details. One for the Super Bowl in New Jersey and the other to Sochi's Winter Olympics in Russia, to monitor and observe security protocols.
What were the requirements? Who decided who gets to go?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This was one of the lists where I felt like they got it right! I worked with RAMIREZ, VALADEZ and SANCHEZ and they are all deserving. They were all the real police. Great coppers, great bosses and great people. I would follow them through a door anytime.
1/13/2014 06:08:00 PM
At least one of those, I won't say who, got TWO MERIT SPOTS.
Lot of people are "deserving."
No fucking shame.
That is so sad, that no one off that list who made it on score has not been promoted. I know that there are some excellent cops that can't do well on exams. But! Please all those merits promoted to XO and beyond and those with enough smarts to pass the exam are not promoted. So, I guess a Lt. with a masters from Northwestern who made it on score is not bright enough to be an exempt. By the way one of those three amigos that made Merit Lt. Was a big goof on the 1st dist. tact team. Let's start pension reform with pensions based on your last career rank and not exempt rank, that should make the pension situation a little better for the rest of us.
This job is a big joke.........
How many that scored in the top 10 are Capt or better...Crickets....
I love the poster who stated the truth, Finnegan and Sanchez were partners, and damn good police.
Jerry eventually f-ed up, but why was he never merit promoted to at least Dic? He was one of the best cops I ever met.
Maybe he was being used, and he had no clout to get him promoted. He certainly deserved it.
In a way the job created Jerry. All his bosses are almost as guilty as him.
1/13/2014 11:38:00 PM
Jerry is a victim? You are delusional or kidding. He is a criminal, period. You are either an honorable person or not.
We, the hard working officers that serve this City, are honorable. We know what Jerry is.
..." So, I guess a Lt. with a masters from Northwestern who made it on score.."
I've known some white shirts with multiple degrees and zero street and people skills.
I have known, many with only high school who could talk screaming maniacs with a gun into giving up or convince nervous cop after a shooting that everything will be all right.
I learned from all of them.
for 1/14/2014 09:44pm you my friend are just as a goof as Gallagher needing the answers from someone else. Just ask them how many Murder crime scene have they handled or round tables they've handled through their careers. For you young Detectives a round table was when a Police Officer was involved in a shooting a time out was called at the area and all people involve witnesses etc. would tell what occurred.
Lt. Hamilton is deserving. He is intelligent and competent.
Yes Great When's he leaving County
Bring him back to CPD Maybe He can clean up 7 Dist!!!
Semper Fi
One Way Ray Now that's the ticket
Have been out of army for awhile but there used to be promotion boards which ranked individuals. Promotion packets go up the chain of command for higher ranks. So, in some ways there are promotion test as there were extensive lists of questions that were asked at promotion boards. But, yes, politics do come into play as does affirmative action. I have sat on many promotion boards in the states as well as in Germany.
Where do you see a test in this, this is merit.
More Clout, Corruption, and Kickbacks as usual, in the Land of Pay to Play.
Not true. He wanted very much to work in the Supts office, for obvious reasons. He got there through very ruthless means by harming the careers of other bosses to get the spot. He was quite aware of what he was doing. At no time was he innocent, a victim, a patsy, etc. He did what he wanted to do. He was shown the door after the damage he had done to so many through unchecked power was too much to overlook.
1/14/2014 09:59:00 AM
You must be John Thomas speaking from the grave and sticking up for the miserable 16th? If not, you are out of your mind. Otherwise, you would know Bob Roman helped many coppers out of the goodness of his heart. He helped me and I appreciate everything he did for me when I was on the job. And, no, I am not Bob Roman, his spouse, his ex-spouse or his kid.
If you think ANY of these Merit pick "deserve it", you Re a Stone Cold Imbecile. This job is paid for by Taxpayers, it's not a private business who can just promote who they want. The Politicians are promoting these people for Control, and to further their Agenda, and also to get kickbacks and favors now or in the future. Every "Merit/Clout Pick is an Act of Discrimination ib fair Employment Practice, whether the person picked is good or not. Wake up to the total Con-Job of Meritorious Promotions, people. It's just Chicago-Style Corruption wrapped up in a pretty package.
Cut from the same cloth as John Farrell . . . .
>>>Hey Fluffer, please put your KD boner back inside of your 80/20's.
The Marine unit is in turmoil, No commanding officer, just Sgt. Jim V who has a double responsibility, they made him the Sgt, in charge of the Special vehicles, The old Sgt. had to retire due to mandatory age. This guy knew everything about how to make these Command Vans work and was always on the scene. They need to make a job offer to him, see if he would come back because we miss Sgt. Nick, all of us SWAT guys are calling this guy everytime something goes wrong with our trucks, He was and is the BEST !!!!!
Valdez is truly a good guy, but 3 merit promotions, Detective, Sergeant, and Lieutenant is a bit much for anybody. Just sayin.
Listen Ray Hamilton may be a different type of person, but say what you want, He is a licensedlawyer, and did pass the bar. Yes he got caught doing some shadowing of lawyers at City Hall while he was a Sgt. assigned to SWAT while on duty and Radke dumped him, but he has a good heart and will help you out if need be, but he is on a roll, and you and me would move around like he is if we had the chance, It's all about the money. Ray has a young family to take care of too.
If Hamilton is So Good Shouldn't he be working for CPD
He had Zero Terrorism exp before being hired at County
I think that this deserves some media attention
What does he do everyday and what are the county terrorism plans? Sounds like the Shooting Range on the South Side ...Remember that
Never happened. One Way Ray never comes through on anything
Cesario is a micro manager to say the least. He is single handedly ruining 606. People are leaving Fugitive due to his pimpy non sense. He is destroying the Arson unit by undermanning it. Lets face it this man was never a Detective and should not be running a Detective Division at all. The dangerous thing is he truly believes he knows what he is doing with investigations. Hey Bob if you are reading this lock yourself in the office and stay away from the workers in your unit. Call Salemme if you want to know how to lead, not Peterson AKA The Screaming Skull. If you want to ruin an investigation then call Peterson. Heck maybe he can have you promoted beyond your capability AGAIN. You are what is wrong with the merit system you HACK.
Most Merit picks are just clouted twirps.
What's with the special details made available only to the select few to work as assistant/observers?
There are two groups preparing for out of town details. One for the Super Bowl in New Jersey and the other to Sochi's Winter Olympics in Russia, to monitor and observe security protocols.
What were the requirements? Who decided who gets to go?
1/14/2014 01:00:00 PM
You mean that wasn't in the PAX 501 talking about assignment to the marine and mounted unit? You know, the department that wants to keep you abreast of career opportunities? I can't believe it.
Just wait till there is another 'career opportunity' that requires you to have monitored and observed security protocols in another country. Whoops, sorry you won't be able to apply for that one.
TO: If Duffin is so fucking smart why couldn't he pass an examination high enough to be promoted in rank order? Another Irish folk hero who is where he is in order to take the phone call in the middle of the night...
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I'm pretty sure that Duffin is Croatian. They shortened the family name at Ellis Island. It was originally Duzvwsffwzena.
I think there is no question most are good guys and even good police officers. However, there are a lot of good guys and gals who made it off the list too
Anonymous said...
OT
hey what about the xo from 012 wasnt hear a merit pick as well.
1/14/2014 01:38:00 AM
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First, put the cocktail down. Second, learn how to spell and type grammatically correct sentences.
Third, XO from 012's only merit bump was to Capt. He made Sgt and Lt based on his test scores.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Angarone was merit Lieutenant. Fact
1/13/2014 09:54:00 PM
Yes he was, and he worked very hard for each promotion he got. I worked for him in 011, and he was one of the best bosses a street cop could ask for.
If you disagree with this, could you at least list the work he did as a patrolman for the first 15 years of his career. If you can't, then I've proved my point.
Angarone, Sanchez, Duffin, Deenahan et al. are cut from the same cloth. They work hard, they care about cops who don't care about themselves or the job, and they get the job done regardless of who's sinking the city ship.
They're souls are different, they are the few unclouted bosses that slipped through the machine's system.
Be happy that you have the very few "real police" bosses left.
...round table was when a Police Officer was involved in a shooting a time out was called at the area and all people involve witnesses etc. would tell what occurred.
1/14/2014 05:39:00 PM
been through two, but it didn't feel like any "time out."
And it wasn't so friendly as to have everyone involved sit around "talking about what occurred."
You were marched in to give a verbatim run down in official terms, without pause or hesitation, in front of a map, to a bunch of people that weren't there, including OPS, and other civilian observers.
This, only a few short hours after a high-pressure situation, but hours more into an investigation that required a lot of hurry up and wait. The dets. always did their best to help you stay "at ease." But most times from my experience, or from assisting on other's shootings as a paper guy or doing supps or whatever, usually there were too many bosses like too many cooks in the kitchen wanting their mighty all important two cents to be considered as the final say-so on this or that...
The overly cologned union guy would stand around having brought pizza, as though your nerves were all put to rest because your overpaid union guy showed up with a frikkin' pizza.
Try doing your own paper (supposedly doesn't happen, but what if you'd rather not have others doing it), on your partner's shooting while a street deputy barks the whole time about "why is this taking so long?"
Seriously, boss?
Glad it's behind me. Learned my lesson. Not hunting anymore, just counting hours.
"I am a city kid my whole life. "
Yes you is.
Anonymous said...
"Jimmy Sanchez from 193 is the real police. Hands on!
From PO - to Sgt- to Lt.- He's the real deal. Fair - respectful and best of all still goes out with his men and puts hands on the criminal. Don't know and don't care about the others but I hope they make Sanchez a commander or better. He leads by example. Great great boss!"
I knew him as a po, I think "Napolean Complex" should be renamed "Sanchez Complex." A little angry man with important friends.
...round table was when a Police Officer was involved in a shooting a time out was called at the area and all people involve witnesses etc. would tell what occurred.
1/14/2014 05:39:00 PM
been through two, but it didn't feel like any "time out."
And it wasn't so friendly as to have everyone involved sit around "talking about what occurred."
You were marched in to give a verbatim run down in official terms, without pause or hesitation, in front of a map, to a bunch of people that weren't there, including OPS, and other civilian observers.
This, only a few short hours after a high-pressure situation, but hours more into an investigation that required a lot of hurry up and wait. The dets. always did their best to help you stay "at ease." But most times from my experience, or from assisting on other's shootings as a paper guy or doing supps or whatever, usually there were too many bosses like too many cooks in the kitchen wanting their mighty all important two cents to be considered as the final say-so on this or that...
The overly cologned union guy would stand around having brought pizza, as though your nerves were all put to rest because your overpaid union guy showed up with a frikkin' pizza.
Try doing your own paper (supposedly doesn't happen, but what if you'd rather not have others doing it), on your partner's shooting while a street deputy barks the whole time about "why is this taking so long?"
Seriously, boss?
Glad it's behind me. Learned my lesson. Not hunting anymore, just counting hours.
A bad or incompetent boss can make it hell.your life and career are on the line
Time out makes it sound like a you actually have time to decompress like the Feds do.
Thanks for the succinct explanation. I am now retired but went through three. What is important is that a good detective leads the round table after doing as much of the investigation as is allowed before you present. At big part of the problem us when you have good witnesses you need to present them ASAP as there is no longer a way to hold them.
I am retired now and happy to be but a good dick at the round table can save your ass. The wrong slant can make the best shooting look bad.
what a bunch of useless morons
Anonymous Anonymous said...
...round table was when a Police Officer was involved in a shooting a time out was called at the area and all people involve witnesses etc. would tell what occurred.
1/14/2014 05:39:00 PM
been through two, but it didn't feel like any "time out."
And it wasn't so friendly as to have everyone involved sit around "talking about what occurred."
You were marched in to give a verbatim run down in official terms, without pause or hesitation, in front of a map, to a bunch of people that weren't there, including OPS, and other civilian observers.
This, only a few short hours after a high-pressure situation, but hours more into an investigation that required a lot of hurry up and wait. The dets. always did their best to help you stay "at ease." But most times from my experience, or from assisting on other's shootings as a paper guy or doing supps or whatever, usually there were too many bosses like too many cooks in the kitchen wanting their mighty all important two cents to be considered as the final say-so on this or that...
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My favorite part was always, "Officer, you have the right to remain silent, you have the right to consult with an attorney..."
Merit promotions do not slip through any cracks, merit means hand picked by the powers that run cpd from the 5 th floor of Da hall .
Yes he was, and he worked very hard for each promotion he got. I worked for him in 011, and he was one of the best bosses a street cop could ask for.
If you disagree with this, could you at least list the work he did as a patrolman for the first 15 years of his career. If you can't, then I've proved my point.
Angarone, Sanchez, Duffin, Deenahan et al. are cut from the same cloth. They work hard, they care about cops who don't care about themselves or the job, and they get the job done regardless of who's sinking the city ship.
They're souls are different, they are the few unclouted bosses that slipped through the machine's system.
Be happy that you have the very few "real police" bosses left.
I hope that wasn't grape Kool Aid you drank. Just by the spots they have shows they are clouted "Duh". There are 3 or 4 Lt's in the districts that have been working the watch for 10 years for each of them, but that's why they are still there. No Clout, and yes they are good guys also.
People are leaving 010 becaus of a certain female on 1st watch who thought she ran the district. Cross her path and she made sure she made your life miserable and yet everyone was afraid of her! Now heard she is upstairs running the show again. This time she is messing with people who she didn't like and saying this is coming from the commander...yeah ok! It's people like this that are ruining the department not just 010! Bosses were to lazy or scared to put her in her place! She needs a dose of her own medicine! Go West VIRGINIA!!!!!!!!!
"...Just by the spots they have shows they are clouted "Duh"...
Well, I'll tell you something hair gel, not one of those guy's had a good spot the first 15 years of their career.
I'd like to get back to Angarone because he was the original subject.
Angarone spent over 15 years in a blue shirt, he WORKED hard to make Sergeant and continued to work hard to help patrolman.
I met him when he made Lt. a few years ago, where he was assigned to 011 as my watch commander.
He was an absolute class act and he knew his street shit better than most of the bosses.
He was NEVER condescending, vindictive, or a micro manager. He tried his best to make everyone's life a little easier in the daily grind of street work vs. the management BS 35th demands.
The fact that you couldn't explain anything about his past police work, the so-called clout he has, or any damage he might have done to you explains everything.
Now go spike your hair with girly gel and put on your baseball gloves and pretend to be the police.
That is all.
Lt SL is in the hot seat.
He's another merit baby.
Clout heavy but a total jag off
Hey stupid with the XO from 012 comment. Pontecore made sgt and Lt. on SCORE! 1st time. Smart guy . Hardworking and always in the shit with his PO's! Never afraid of anything. Loves workers. Hates dogs. So you must be the latter. Fucking chump...
Better yet. Knock on his door and tell him what you posted here. He'll knock you out.
Hey stupid with the XO from 012 comment. Pontecore made sgt and Lt. on SCORE! 1st time. Smart guy . Hardworking and always in the shit with his PO's! Never afraid of anything. Loves workers. Hates dogs. So you must be the latter. Fucking chump...
Better yet. Knock on his door and tell him what you posted here. He'll knock you out.
Really? Whose arm is he going to use to throw the punch? Heard he strained his arm Friday night in 012 while writing up yet another IOD for himself! Geez, go on disability already! Better yet go straight to SSI! Man where do we get hard chargers like this? A Brownie Troop?
Pena from 010 has been merit her entire career
How about that tool on days 1070, ramon, micro managing anything that moves. I knew feom back in 011 and said what's up ramon, and he said, its sgt ok. Almost reminds me of ceja
ramon is an idiot who has a history of calling a chase from kids leaving the high school running. kids known that ramon will entertain then with his non driving skills
A big Thank You to retired Commander Gorman for sending us meritorious Sergeant Jefferson to the Ninth District, Third Watch. Gorman really stuck it to us with no grease this time. So far it has been unbearable and it certainly looks like it will get much worse.
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