FOP Ballots on the Way
According to the newsletter at least, ballots ought to be arriving by the 11th.
The different slates have been overly active in our comment section and we've clamped down a bit on the slanderous accusations and nonsense posting, the biggest of which was the 16% issue. Shortshanks pulled the 16% offer long before it would have been offered for a vote and the extra stuff 'Shanks wanted was intolerable. Give it a rest.
While we have refrained from endorsing a ticket or slate, we cannot let it be that this regime, from the top down, has been a source of constant disappointment. The infighting, the poor decision making, the lack of a cohesive voice, the constant bickering, backbiting and backsliding, the supposedly "tactical" decision to let the disgraced former president drag the entire organization into disrepute is intolerable.
For this reason, we will not be voting for a single office holder who is listed on the inside cover of the current FOP book, including the Trustees and Past President. Their efforts to keep their jobs rather that do their jobs, in our eyes, makes them unqualified to represent the rank-and-file of the Department.
When questions were asked, they were uncommunicative.
When confidence was lacking in the job being done, they were invisible.
And when we provided a more visible platform for people to air their concerns, we were asked to remove a post lest it embarrass the then-First VP (now acting president) and we were threatened with a lawsuit to shut us down by a lawyer whose behavior was something the FOP should have distanced themselves from years ago.
Again, we make no endorsements and encourage no one to follow our lead. We encourage everyone to do a bit of research, ask a lot of questions, and stay involved by voting. You're welcome to disagree with us - politely - and vote the way you want. We don't owe anyone a platform to rip us for the way we're going to vote and we aren't going to be a punching bag for the vitriol sure to be spouted our way, much of it from IP addresses we know are from Washington Blvd.
The different slates have been overly active in our comment section and we've clamped down a bit on the slanderous accusations and nonsense posting, the biggest of which was the 16% issue. Shortshanks pulled the 16% offer long before it would have been offered for a vote and the extra stuff 'Shanks wanted was intolerable. Give it a rest.
While we have refrained from endorsing a ticket or slate, we cannot let it be that this regime, from the top down, has been a source of constant disappointment. The infighting, the poor decision making, the lack of a cohesive voice, the constant bickering, backbiting and backsliding, the supposedly "tactical" decision to let the disgraced former president drag the entire organization into disrepute is intolerable.
For this reason, we will not be voting for a single office holder who is listed on the inside cover of the current FOP book, including the Trustees and Past President. Their efforts to keep their jobs rather that do their jobs, in our eyes, makes them unqualified to represent the rank-and-file of the Department.
When questions were asked, they were uncommunicative.
When confidence was lacking in the job being done, they were invisible.
And when we provided a more visible platform for people to air their concerns, we were asked to remove a post lest it embarrass the then-First VP (now acting president) and we were threatened with a lawsuit to shut us down by a lawyer whose behavior was something the FOP should have distanced themselves from years ago.
Again, we make no endorsements and encourage no one to follow our lead. We encourage everyone to do a bit of research, ask a lot of questions, and stay involved by voting. You're welcome to disagree with us - politely - and vote the way you want. We don't owe anyone a platform to rip us for the way we're going to vote and we aren't going to be a punching bag for the vitriol sure to be spouted our way, much of it from IP addresses we know are from Washington Blvd.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
197 Comments:
Masters Masters Masters for Prez
I can't wait to get my ballot!
I with you on this one SCC I actually kept a the paperwork they were all handing out so I know who to vote for but more importantly who not to vote for.
How come Shields isn't running again? Something happen?
Rejoice that we live in such a free and open society. Go forth and vote your conscience.
Could not agree more SCC, it seemed they were more concerned with letting Mikey step on his dick than with looking out for the best interests of the membership. Each one of those self serving assholes need to go back to patrol.
I need to know who is competent?
Most are barely able to get promoted let alone handle millions dollar contract and lawsuit.
I really don't care what high school they went to or if their daddys was a beat officer back in the day.
Please someone give me hope that of all these hacks a few can handle running a business.
And it is a business.
Stop paying these people six figure salaries. It distances them from where they came from. If they work their current pay grade, they will do the job. The benefit is that they are off the street and doing the work for the membership.
I don't know who the hell I'm going to vote for yet but I agree that I won't be voting for anyone that's currently in that office. It's time for a complete overhaul in that place.
Very well put SCC
Couldn't agree more SCC...
This is "The List"
There are 101 candidates running for FOP office.
Of those 101 there are 9 (yes only nine) that are independents not associated with one of the 4 teams or the board.
These are the watchdogs that can hold other accountable. Vote for these 9 and then vote for whatever team you like. Only at that time will there be adequate checks and balances.
President:
None (WOW)
1st Vice President
Jim Jakstavich (009)
2nd Vice President
Brock Merck (014)
3rd Vice President
Percy Allen Jr. (166)
Recording Secretary
John Cantanzara (008)
Financial Secretary
None
Treasurer
None
Sergeant at Arms
Brian Kratz (050)
Frank Roman (610)
Trustee
Coralyn Hudeik (RTD)
Tom Lonergan (RTD)
Vic Rini (RTD)
The feed back from most guys I run into at 26th and Cal. goes along with SCC. If the guys on the CityWide team would have just done the right thing for the membership we would not have been in this state of affairs.
Dougherty has taken the wrong path on every major decision for the 5 or 6 months. I blame Donahue for a lot of bad advice. 12 years is long enough I guess.
The fact that only about 110 people were qualified to run for office is a shame. A bigger shame is that many people became backstabbers in the last year. Shields was way too young for the job. He should have just stayed at the pension board for another 6 years before he decided to run.
There are so many people who took the low road in the last year (Aguilar, Donahue, Dougherty, Graham, and J. Moriarty) and those that others that were cowards( Saul Del Rivero, Jim McCarthy, and Dan Gorman) and others that were just useful pawns (Davis, DiMaria). Tim Murphy tried to play all sides and was the one left without a chair when the music stopped.
You have to trust your partner and those you work with to back you up. How many of those on today's board do you trust to have your back? I my mind there are less than six people who fit that bill. Choose wisely. I just don't see me voting for anyone on the Citywide team.
Please don't screw this up before 15 Nov !
Work sucks but I'm in a better mood because Walking Dead is back on.
What questions did you ask them???
Vote to decertify the union
Dean Angelo has Taken OUR MONEY from the pension fund..he could have just retired and collected his pension but he APPLIED for disability and has coast our PENSION fund over $500,000.
NOW he wants TWO PAYCHECKS from US!! Why doesn't he every mention he was on NOLAN'S TEAM who FUCKED US on paying for HEALTH INSURANCE. BEWARE of anyone on his ticket, they have already proven they will lay down with a THIEF to get elected. I agree with scc! All elected and appointed board members MUST GO!
I received a letter from the Pension Watchdog Team. Seems like they have aligned themselves with Dean Angelo. But, the interesting part is that most of the guys on this team ran with Mike Shields including his brother Dan. These are the board members that allowed Mike Shields to destroy our union. I work in 018 and Dan Shields has told people his brother Mike is coming back. Is Dean Angelo bringing Mike back into the office. Think twice everyone when those ballots come out. Why are the Shields boys hooking up with Dean?
I don't know who I'm going to vote for yet, but it certainly isn't going to be one of these Jags that are bragging about the "PERKS" of office......that's great that you get paid so much, get a stipend for this and that, go on great trips that are paid for by the members......but what are you actually going to do FOR the members?
vote for brock Merck out of 014. The city won't know how to handle this guy!!
We do not have a union, we do have a bargaining agent. They are two different organizations and are handled differently. The only time we are allowed to bring in an actual union is between contracts. Many other police departments have brought in outside unions and it worked. This option almost never comes up. Could it work for CPD?
I'm still trying to understand why/how being forced off the job due to work related injuries and having to go on disability make you a bad guy. I am currently going through a situation that I am not sure I will be able to return from that has required two surgeries and likely a third, but if it comes to not being able to return, I should suck it up and retire and pay my own insurance out of pocket and settle for a reduced pension ? Quit the b.s., I have paid my dues and busted my ass on this job. I am going to therapy 4 days a week with an O.T. & P.T. And doing some additional work on my own with the hope of coming by this summer, but if it isn't too be then disability is my right. I have nothing to be ashamed of
So the same suggestion applies for voting for FOP as for Cook County Judges:
VOTE AGAINST ALL INCUMBENTS Yes a wide brush but it's needed.
Then at the first meeting propose that the board members get paid NO HIGHER then LT pay. For the good of the order.
I agree with you except for the trustees. There are some top notch guys and gals up there that were shut out because of the executive board refusing to keep them informed. Some people I would personally reccomend to reelect world be Tim Moriarity, Tim Murphy, and terry collins.
Just like the movie casino " they are to incompetent to do the job or they are in on it, either way they need to go!"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dean Angelo has Taken OUR MONEY from the pension fund..he could have just retired and collected his pension but he APPLIED for disability and has coast our PENSION fund over $500,000.
NOW he wants TWO PAYCHECKS from US!! Why doesn't he every mention he was on NOLAN'S TEAM who FUCKED US on paying for HEALTH INSURANCE. BEWARE of anyone on his ticket, they have already proven they will lay down with a THIEF to get elected. I agree with scc! All elected and appointed board members MUST GO!
2/10/2014 03:50:00 AM
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Your whole post is BULLSHIT.
I agree with you SCC, well part of it... don't vote for anyone that is on the FOP Booklet.
But, there are other candidates running who are not running with a slated team. We need to vote, to have our voices heard. If we don't vote, we are acting like democrats.
I have to say I couldn't agree with SCC less on this one. There are several people to blame for a lot of the things that have happened are FOP, but they can all be linked to Mike Shields and his consistently blind followers.
Eliminating the most experienced people puts us right back in the same situation we were at when Shields was running the ship. We cannot let that happen again.
SCC....
I think you are being unfair to make a blanket statement about every officer on the current board. But then again it is your website.
Why not take a look and see who ALL past board members are that are running?
The Fop ways of doing business and their missed steps did not just start under the MS regime. It has been going on for a long long time.
Carlos, Tom Mc, Dean and Bill D have all served on past boards at different capacities. Who should be president now?
SCC.
Was thinking the exact same thing. Anyone who allows tet same people who have been collecting a check at FOP and allowed the shannanigans with Sheilds doesn't deserve a single vote, save by themselves.
Voting has consequences and we have been witnesses to what a poor vote Sheilds and his staff was for the past few years.
That said...MAKE SURE YOU VOTE!!! So many refuse to send in ballots and that allows incumbents to win by default.
Anonymous said...
How come Shields isn't running again? Something happen?
2/10/2014 12:20:00 AM
You fucker! Made me spit coffee on my computer!
SCC, the only reason that I post about the 16% is that the difference between 16% and ten is 6% which is more than 2%. Therefore Donahue cost me more than Shields. Donahue and Dougherty did terrible job in endorsing anyone. All their people voted to take many peoples hard earned pensions away, whether it be new guy, active or retired members. I am confident they would have sold us all out also. That is their record. But that said I agree with your assessment about who to vote for...Send Out the Clowns.
Do not vote for Kevin Graham. He has never done an ounce of police work. He's had a foot post in 023/019 for 15 years and only wants this job to make free money off of us
Any participant in the fund get's there own money that they contributed to the fund also.If they retire or are on disability ,they still get our and their money.If on disability,the city pays the disabled pension contribution to the fund as if they are still active.Educate yourself before you judge.Not all on disability are scammers!
This is an excellent post.
The Citywide Team can not have it both ways. They ran WITH Shields and are responsible for his silliness. Dougherty has been overpaid by this Union for over ten years. Enough already!
As for Angelo, does he look like someone who was "disabled" for the last ten years? A scammer through and through.
Vote for everyone new and they at least will be fighting for the police and not just to keep their jobs and D8 and above paychecks.
Couldn't agree more SCC. The problem is there is very slim pickings to vote for someone who has the CPD membership's best interests instead of lining their own pockets.
I won't vote for any current FOP officeholder, but some of the alternatives aren't any better IMO.
Does anyone really believe that Dean Angelo has the memberships best interests at heart? With Angelo, jr and Det. Mike d'Andrea on that ticket - NO WAY. Can't trust them as far as you can throw that crew, IMO.
Not many to choose from. It's pathetic.
Just Sayin,
If we had voted for Paschke the last time we wouldn't be in this mess now.
For write in vote for.... Public Trans' own H. Fogle a man who knows the issues, a man of action, a man of integrity, a man of the people.
Thinking guy's picks for FOP. This list includes people from all of the tickets:
President:
Dean Angelo
1st V. P.
Jim Jakstavich
2nd V. P.
Keith Carter
Frank DiMaria - time to retire!
3rd V. P.
Pat Murray over Danny Gorman.
Gorman could have been our pick if showed any loyalty.
Recording Secretary
No Recommendation
Financial Secretary
Mike D’Andrea
Aguliar just go now. Don't wait to April 15th
Treasurer
Marlon Harvey by default
Sergeant at Arms
Bill Burns
Ralph Schauf
No Recommendation for 3rd pick
Trustee
Mike Burke
Mike Bober
Terry Collins
Mark Howe
Pat Duckhorn
Herb Hebein
Ken Huser
Rick King
Tom Lonergan
Brian Lutzow
John McCarthy
Pat McGrath
Kevin McNulty
Bob Rutherford
Ron Shogren
Steve Schrosch
Mike Underwood
As usual SCC you are spot on. One thing i would like to add pertains to pension. I received a letter from Dan Shields and his team. I noticed Ken Hauser as a trustee. He is on the pension board and it sounds like he has been in bed with the Shields boys for a while. I will not be voting for either and hope that our retirees dont cast a future vote to keep Ken on the pension board. You with dogs you get flees.
Well said SCC. I am glad that the City Wide Team mailed that letter to my house with all the names on it so I know who not to vote for.
Oh thank you, thank you, thank you SCC. Finally, got it right. We need to get rid of everyone on the cover and start over. I personally will not vote a straight ticket, but spread the votes around.
For this reason, we will not be voting for a single office holder who is listed on the inside cover of the current FOP book, including the Trustees and Past President. Their efforts to keep their jobs rather that do their jobs, in our eyes, makes them unqualified to represent the rank-and-file of the Department.
same here.
bye bye
DO NOT VOTE for Dan Gorman. He was on the political endorsement comm. that gave our money to Madigan's boy Martwick, and others. Punish him.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dean Angelo has Taken OUR MONEY from the pension fund..he could have just retired and collected his pension but he APPLIED for disability and has coast our PENSION fund over $500,000.
NOW he wants TWO PAYCHECKS from US!! Why doesn't he every mention he was on NOLAN'S TEAM who FUCKED US on paying for HEALTH INSURANCE. BEWARE of anyone on his ticket, they have already proven they will lay down with a THIEF to get elected. I agree with scc! All elected and appointed board members MUST GO!
2/10/2014 03:50:00 AM
Move on people, pay no attention! FOP signed off on pension legislation that would allow injured officers to work another job, earn as much as they want! Because Dean Angelo happens to be on disability from a bone-fide injury, resentful and bitter members are spreading vicious rumors to discredit him? Get a life, people. Align people who you can trust and have nothing to gain by being in office or on a committee! TIME FOR CHANGE!!! Let's do it!!!
Doesn't anyone remember that the current administration came from two separate factions. Shields team and Bella's. The reason there wasn't harmony was because the guys with the experience were NEVER listened to. Dougherty is by far the most capable and experienced candidate running for president. This is evidenced by the fact that things have only begun to run smoothly since he was given the interim tag. If he doesn't get elected everyone can expect three more years of BS which is just what Rahm would love to see. Think seriously about this.
What do you guys think of the Clean Slate team?
My suggestion is ANY negative post regarding any group or individual be taken down or not posted to begin with. Everyone has an opinion and that's why we get a ballot. Act like an adult and use your opinion to cast a VOTE. Only 20 something percent of actives voted last election. That means 80% of our guys opinions don't mean shit to the FOP anyway, because they know you won't vote and unfortunately in my opinion like other politicians it seems that's all anyone cares about over there. I'm going to look into each candidate as much as possible and vote for who I feel is the best choice for all of us as a group. I left my name because I hate anonymous posts
I for one think it is more important than ever to elect those who have experience running a union. Putting an inexperienced bunch in office is EXACTLY what the city and the mayor wants. Not only will contract negotiations be negatively affected if an inexperienced group gets elected but also the pension fight. Are you kidding? You have to either have some clout hanging in the balance or be crazy not to vote for City Wide at this point.
If any of the current leadership at FOP remain, we only have ourselves to blame. They don't hold themselves accountable for anything. The Citywide team is scrambling and pointing fingers at everyone, but themselves. They have been caught in too many lies. The overall consensus seems that anyone currently in office will be gone, only time will tell. Let's just hope everyone votes, not just 3-4000 active members this time.
2/10/2014 12:42:00 AM
Couldn't agree with you more. Why do you think all these guys who are thisclose to retirement are running?
Anonymous said...
Work sucks but I'm in a better mood because Walking Dead is back on.
2/10/2014 02:26:00 AM
Retirement doesn't suck but no matter what you do, your health declines as you get older, however, I too am in a better mood because Walking Dead is back on TV.
And, in keeping with the TV theme, remember what the roll call Sergeant on Hill Street Blues always used to say to his men as they hit the street, "Watch the fingers, they pull the triggers". Stay safe!
I want to thank the Citywide Team 2014 for the letter I received this past Saturday, in it they introduce their candidates. I now know exactly who Not to vote for.
Regarding Dean Angelo: How can he be fit to be FOP President but he can't work down at ERPS, 311, or any other light duty spot? I am not being an ass about it or sarcastic but seriously. If you can't work a spot like that then how can you work the FOP desk? Someone please enlighten me on this. Again no sarcasm here on my end.
Tough decisions kids.
Anonymous said...
The feed back from most guys I run into at 26th and Cal. goes along with SCC. If the guys on the CityWide team would have just done the right thing for the membership we would not have been in this state of affairs.
Dougherty has taken the wrong path on every major decision for the 5 or 6 months. I blame Donahue for a lot of bad advice. 12 years is long enough I guess.
The fact that only about 110 people were qualified to run for office is a shame. A bigger shame is that many people became backstabbers in the last year. Shields was way too young for the job. He should have just stayed at the pension board for another 6 years before he decided to run.
There are so many people who took the low road in the last year (Aguilar, Donahue, Dougherty, Graham, and J. Moriarty) and those that others that were cowards( Saul Del Rivero, Jim McCarthy, and Dan Gorman) and others that were just useful pawns (Davis, DiMaria). Tim Murphy tried to play all sides and was the one left without a chair when the music stopped.
You have to trust your partner and those you work with to back you up. How many of those on today's board do you trust to have your back? I my mind there are less than six people who fit that bill. Choose wisely. I just don't see me voting for anyone on the Citywide team.
Please don't screw this up before 15 Nov !
2/10/2014 01:51:00 AM
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I can only come up with four Burke, Collins, King, Lipka.
Very well said. Your break down and opinion is dead on. I only wish I knew who you were and you were running for office.
Outside of this blog I have literally received zero information on potential candidates. nothing. I may as well throw a dart at the ballot.
Please don't forget to vote out anyone who is or was part of the old regime including but certainly not limited to Kevin Graham. Ask anyone from the old 023rd District who in the past has asked him for advice or help. He'd either direct you to the FOP or give you faulty advice. Now he's all smiles, schmoozing everyone he sees and and making nice nice. How he was elected unit rep over Donny Eichler no one except KG AND the FOP know. Donny told several people that he was not allowed to be present when the votes were counted. Go figure.
RIP, Donny. I voted for you and so did a lot of other people. A LOT of other people.
Vote Independent. It's Independence Day at FOP Lodge 7. Trust me you'll like the video.
http://youtu.be/aVqI7yCCOtQ
I thinking we should give Kevin G. a shot for 1st VP. It's unfortuate he's running with the guys that hurt us, but he's never been in the decision making process. He has the knowledge.
Anonymous said...
The feed back from most guys I run into at 26th and Cal. goes along with SCC. If the guys on the CityWide team would have just done the right thing for the membership we would not have been in this state of affairs.
Dougherty has taken the wrong path on every major decision for the 5 or 6 months. I blame Donahue for a lot of bad advice. 12 years is long enough I guess.
The fact that only about 110 people were qualified to run for office is a shame. A bigger shame is that many people became backstabbers in the last year. Shields was way too young for the job. He should have just stayed at the pension board for another 6 years before he decided to run.
There are so many people who took the low road in the last year (Aguilar, Donahue, Dougherty, Graham, and J. Moriarty) and those that others that were cowards( Saul Del Rivero, Jim McCarthy, and Dan Gorman) and others that were just useful pawns (Davis, DiMaria). Tim Murphy tried to play all sides and was the one left without a chair when the music stopped.
You have to trust your partner and those you work with to back you up. How many of those on today's board do you trust to have your back? I my mind there are less than six people who fit that bill. Choose wisely. I just don't see me voting for anyone on the Citywide team.
Please don't screw this up before 15 Nov !
2/10/2014 01:51:00 AM
The sad and sick part of all of this is they only care about the money. The salary they get is outragous! They get huge perks also. There is no reason for such a salary. It causes danger for the members. Think about this....If our board members were only allowed to keep the salary as a P.O. or detective before they were elected would they still want to run for election? Money causes selfish decision making. It's kinda similar to what merit does to police officers.
I agree. please vote & vote wisely.
Any idea if anyone running will have the residency rule on their agenda?? Every big city is dropping it because the courts are ruling in the officer's favor. It's time for this stone age residency rule mentality to come to end and allow us to live where we want.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What do you guys think of the Clean Slate team?
The only team to stay clean during election. For that alone, they have my vote.
Anonymous said...
I'm still trying to understand why/how being forced off the job due to work related injuries and having to go on disability make you a bad guy. I am currently going through a situation that I am not sure I will be able to return from that has required two surgeries and likely a third, but if it comes to not being able to return, I should suck it up and retire and pay my own insurance out of pocket and settle for a reduced pension ? Quit the b.s., I have paid my dues and busted my ass on this job. I am going to therapy 4 days a week with an O.T. & P.T. And doing some additional work on my own with the hope of coming by this summer, but if it isn't too be then disability is my right. I have nothing to be ashamed of
2/10/2014 05:37:00 AM
You are so right brother. NEVER listen to the commenters on blogs like this. Most are people that nobody listens to in the first place. What idiot would say you don't have a right to disability? If you get shot or whatever, your not supposed to get what's due to you? Yea, those guys are idiots. Most likely not even the police anyway. Just a troll.
How come Shields isn't running again? Something happen?
2/10/2014 12:20:00 AM
You fucker! Made me spit coffee on my computer!
2/10/2014 07:15:00 AM
That was so funny my non-dairy creamer is on the ceiling!!
Here is how I see it from a concerned voter. The city wide team is a joke you have Billy Dougherty who is just as much or even more to blame for the state of the union because he purposely made Shields look bad for his own gain. Dimaria and Aguilar are both retiring so why would they run for a seat that they are relinquishing in a few months. Also they have Nenad Markovich on there ticket who has single handling jackpotted more coppers with his bullshit than anyone ever has on this department. Then there is Mark Donahue who is collecting his pension, $85,000 a year as the FOP lobbyist and know he wants more so he is running for trustee, sorry Mark its time to retire and stop lining your pockets from the FOP.
Anonymous said...
I for one think it is more important than ever to elect those who have experience running a union. Putting an inexperienced bunch in office is EXACTLY what the city and the mayor wants. Not only will contract negotiations be negatively affected if an inexperienced group gets elected but also the pension fight. Are you kidding? You have to either have some clout hanging in the balance or be crazy not to vote for City Wide at this point.
2/10/2014 09:17:00 AM
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I agree. We're cornered, but inexperience will bury us.
Look at today's Sun Times. Andrews, Cirone, Yamishiroya should all be st call back. Unbelievable!
Anonymous said...
Please don't forget to vote out anyone who is or was part of the old regime including but certainly not limited to Kevin Graham. Ask anyone from the old 023rd District who in the past has asked him for advice or help. He'd either direct you to the FOP or give you faulty advice. Now he's all smiles, schmoozing everyone he sees and and making nice nice. How he was elected unit rep over Donny Eichler no one except KG AND the FOP know. Donny told several people that he was not allowed to be present when the votes were counted. Go figure.
2/10/2014 11:42:00 AM
Somebody fucked Donny. I ran for unit rep of old 019 and I was standing right there when they counted the votes, there was no other way. No chance they count the votes in secret. Should have had the purple thing on their finger too like in Iraq.
Anonymous said...
So the same suggestion applies for voting for FOP as for Cook County Judges:
VOTE AGAINST ALL INCUMBENTS Yes a wide brush but it's needed.
Then at the first meeting propose that the board members get paid NO HIGHER then LT pay. For the good of the order.
2/10/2014 05:41:00 AM
Great mentality. Just like the people who are calling for a sweep of the entire FOP Board. There are some very good judges who are on our side. Should we forget all the good decisions they have made on our behalf? Voting everyone out is the lazy man's way of saying I want change but don't want to do the work to make sure it's effective change. Everyone voted for change last FOP election, bought the bullshit hook, line and sinker and all that got us was a Shields Team that was inexperienced and controlled the board with their votes and every decision that was made. Their inexperience will last a lifetime effecting your wages until the day you die.
I for one urge EVERYONE to vote, and vote right away. Don't take a chance that your ballot won't be counted or you will forget.
Make the prez capts pay and the rest sgt's pay and that would end the shanagians.
OT: CLEAN THE ACADEMY OUT! If you are described on the A&A'S in a position such as secretary or timekeeper, time to get sent back to a didtrict. Hello media? Are u listening?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm still trying to understand why/how being forced off the job due to work related injuries and having to go on disability make you a bad guy. I am currently going through a situation that I am not sure I will be able to return from that has required two surgeries and likely a third, but if it comes to not being able to return, I should suck it up and retire and pay my own insurance out of pocket and settle for a reduced pension ? Quit the b.s., I have paid my dues and busted my ass on this job. I am going to therapy 4 days a week with an O.T. & P.T. And doing some additional work on my own with the hope of coming by this summer, but if it isn't too be then disability is my right. I have nothing to be ashamed of
2/10/2014 05:37:00 AM
you hit it on the head. A lot of people don't realize that DA was forced off because he used up his medical IOD time. He did not want to stop working but was forced to. There are a lot of people out their spreading lies about him. Is he perfect? Hell no! Non of us are. But he is the best qualified candidate to look out for both working, disabled and retired PO's. He has my vote.
Anonymous said...
Regarding Dean Angelo: How can he be fit to be FOP President but he can't work down at ERPS, 311, or any other light duty spot? I am not being an ass about it or sarcastic but seriously. If you can't work a spot like that then how can you work the FOP desk? Someone please enlighten me on this. Again no sarcasm here on my end.
2/10/2014 10:28:00 AM
Because once you use up your IOD medical time you are done. It is cumulative 365 days. Once you hit that mark you are done full or light duty. That's why.
Don't F this up guys. Doesn't matter how much time you got on the job, we are at point that every small decision made will be a big one for retirees present and future. Get off your rears and vote. I Have paid attention to all the FOP B.S. and postings. I will not vote for incumbents, none are worth squat. In the past we have been no better than the sheeple who continue to vote for the career politicians, last FOP election how many P.O.s voted? If you don't vote don't complain when your wallet disappears.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What do you guys think of the Clean Slate team?
2/10/2014 09:05:00 AM
To be honest...
I'd rather vote for that Revenue Guy on a Bike than anyone on the current List.
Dan Shields was the only Board member in his first motion with the "new Board" April 2011 to vote take away the monthly upstairs stipend of $600. Every Board member voted against this just check the April 2011 Board minutes. So don't be so quick to judge to a guy looking out to save the membership big money Do the math $600 a month for every upstairs position !
M.Shields, B Dougherty FDimaria DGorman RAguilar SDavis JMcCarthy SDelrivero JCapperelli $600 a month for 3 years would be a three year savings of $21,600 per guy x 9= $194,400. But let's see the motion failed because Dan was the only person who voted for this!
I really get the sense that anyone who comments that they're gonna vote everyone in the FOP book out either has connections to one of the other teams that are running or just are one of those change for change's sake types. Either way, what I am hearing from the majority of people is that most of the City Wide candidates have done great work for the rank and file. Everyone I talk to about Doughterty says great things about his service in a variety of positions. Same goes for Di Maria and Aguilar. Nobody I talk to believes that these guys had anything to do with the "letter", instead it's pretty clear their hands were tied. Don't listen to some of these rants about cleaning house. Do you what I've done: do your homework and find the truth.
Anonymous said...
If any of the current leadership at FOP remain, we only have ourselves to blame. They don't hold themselves accountable for anything. The Citywide team is scrambling and pointing fingers at everyone, but themselves. They have been caught in too many lies. The overall consensus seems that anyone currently in office will be gone, only time will tell. Let's just hope everyone votes, not just 3-4000 active members this time.
2/10/2014 09:20:00 AM
How can they point at themselves?? Shields and his band of 16 faithful controlled every board decision. They determined the direction of this union and aided Shields in his skulduggery. Look at the scorecards (roll call votes) and you will see who is responsible for turning our union into a personal gratification, personal gain machine.
Clean out the FOP!!! Commence the Cleansing!!! Hook up the ENEMA Hoses.!!! It's time to clean our Bowls! Ya-ha-ha-ha-ha........
Anonymous said...
2/09/2014 09:31:00 AM
Here are actual salaries they get see page 13 that is why they don't care,and pensionable!
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/362/362467755/362467755_201012_990O.pdf
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2/09/2014 06:54:00 PM
Donahue got 210k in 2010?
He gets 75k to be our lobbyist?
He want 600 a month now to be a trustee on top of his dic's pension?
Time to retire him for good!
2/09/2014 11:19:00 PM
This is fucking obscene and greed!
Anonymous said...
I want to thank the Team 2014 FOP Lodge NO 7 Pension Watchdog Team for the letter I received this past Saturday, in it they introduce their candidates. I now know exactly who Not to vote for.
Let's be honest here... This is nothing but a popularity contest.. It's not like any of these mopes can make a difference.. I'd rather we paid a Law firm to conduct all of our business entirely... Have a firm of qualified labor attorney's, then pick the firm via a lottery...The FOP brings in about $500,000 a month in union dues.. Spend the money on quality representation not popularity! Stop this shenanigans of electing the likes of a student council representation with an inflated salary & let's get down to business and save this once great police organization!!!
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't Jim Jakstavich a big proponent for Shield's cause?!?!? I thought I heard this but can someone verify?
That City Wide must be rich to send letters to every member!
Do not vote for Gorman. He does not know what he is doing in a leadership role. Had a run in with him a few years ago and he is not worthy of a vice president position. Go with anyone else.
You gotta be kidding me? Bill's been a part of the FOP for as long as he has because he knows what he's doing and he's good at it. A mistake was made in voting in people who didn't know what they were doing in the last election. Not making that mistake again.
Best advice...
V-O-T-E !!
If everyone voted, at least we would have the majority of the preferred candidates in office, not just the opinion of the few who actually sent in their ballot.
Please, VOTE your heart after your personal and professional investigation and preferences are concluded.
May the best person(s) win that will keep the entire membership in their best interest.
God Bless the Chicago Police Dept.
A Member Who's in the Know said... I have to say I couldn't agree with SCC less on this one. There are several people to blame for a lot of the things that have happened are FOP, but they can all be linked to Mike Shields and his consistently blind followers.
Eliminating the most experienced people puts us right back in the same situation we were at when Shields was running the ship. We cannot let that happen again.
2/10/2014 06:41:00 AM
No shit you disagree. Thats because you"ve made it abundantly clear your one of Doughertys' little puppets working for Shittywide.
Please go back down in your mommys basement and continue watching your re-runs of the Telatubbies.
Anonymous said...
What do you guys think of the Clean Slate team?
2/10/2014 09:05:00 AM
Not much no experience getting cr numbers on coppers having a kid refusing child support give nice pens and paper lol also don't want to talk about pension so another mike shields start all over young man kit! Sorry no more do overs will vote citywide but hold them more accountable! Why is it the top 4 guys running are afraid of a debate at fop hall? What are they hiding? President gets a free Lincoln paid for us free fuel insurance and a pensionable $210,000 per year other top 3 get $160,000 pensionable so yep boys debate kind of cowardly!
I can't vote for Doughrty he is part of the problem. Dean Angelonis a throwback to the Nolan days and his history is troublesome. I heard all three and feel Tom McDonagh is the best choice. The rest of the ticket will be split between Angelo and Clean Slates ticket.
Meet the Shields Team, the 16 Individuals who controlled the FOP Board and consistently voted with Mike Shields. Shields motivation was purely political and for personal gain. These board members were controlled by Shields and enabled him to run our union into the ground. Their blind loyalty elevated him to the dictator he became, believing he could do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted. These same individuals voted not guilty after he admitted he did not send the retro letter in on time. The charges spoke for themselves. The charges that they found him NOT GUILTY of had to be sent to the state fop because the Shields 16 could not do their jobs and represent the best interest of the members. Please remember these names when casting your ballots.
President Michael K. Shields
3rd VP Danny Gorman
Sergeant at Arms William Burns
Sergeant at Arms Daniel J. Shields
Trustee Dean Angelo, Jr.
Trustee Michael Burke
Trustee Denis E. Doherty
Trustee Fernando Flores
Trustee Allen J. Jaglowski
Trustee Rick King
Trustee John J. Lipka
Trustee Timothy Murphy
Trustee Ron Shogren
Trustee Danny Stover
Trustee Daniel G. Trevino
Trustee Michael Underwood
Regarding Dean Angelo: How can he be fit to be FOP President but he can't work down at ERPS, 311, or any other light duty spot? I am not being an ass about it or sarcastic but seriously. If you can't work a spot like that then how can you work the FOP desk? Someone please enlighten me on this. Again no sarcasm here on my end.
This was the departments position to force him off the Job. I know for a fact he fought to stay on and asked to be carried light duty. B. Hammerlings and the departments position was if he couldn't come back full duty at some point, then he was done. He had no problem staying on the job in the capacity he was in, butHe was told to either retire or resign, light duty was not an option he was given
May I remind us that we are all brothers and sisters ! Its ok to have healthy dialogue but the personal attacks are really not something we need.
If you do not like a certain candidate or slate , do not vote for them. Ive got an informed decision because I take the time to read bios and listen when folks come out to roll calls. The major slates have some good people on them and its unfair to count them out just because they are running with people who have been in office. There is a lot of mis-information being put out there to try and sway voters. This election is very important since the city will be looking at how many members vote and actually care about what is going on with their union and their job. At the end of the day it is very possible that people will be elected from various slates and maybe independents as well. They have to come together with a common goal of our memberships interests in mind.
Meet The Shields Team
http://mikeshieldsfop7.blogspot.com/
and please don't vote for anyone on this ticket. They all fuc*ed us.
The full Rutherford sexual harrassment allegations have been made public and is all over the media. Whether the allegations are true or not, his career is toast. Its disheartening since I thought he had a lot of good things to say at the V.F.W. meeting and he could have helped us out a lot if he got elected.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is an excellent post.
The Citywide Team can not have it both ways. They ran WITH Shields and are responsible for his silliness. Dougherty has been overpaid by this Union for over ten years. Enough already!
As for Angelo, does he look like someone who was "disabled" for the last ten years? A scammer through and through.
Vote for everyone new and they at least will be fighting for the police and not just to keep their jobs and D8 and above paychecks.
2/10/2014 07:47:00 AM
Please explain to me how the citywide team "ran with shields" any people on the citywide team voted against Shields attempts to run this union into the ground. Shields had 16 votes on the board and controlled.
Interesting story
http://o.dailycaller.com/all/2014-02-10-gun-stun-gun-control-activist-swears-he-forgot-he-was-carrying-gun-while-visiting-school
Just figure out who is aligned with which team (citywide, cleanslate, whatever) and pick one name from each team over and over (in other words alternate your voting) forcing them to all work together.
I have never voted and never will, and I dont complain about what happens. I took this job knowing it was corrupt, I also knew as long as I didnt screw up I would have a good paying job with decent benefits, for a high school graduate. No matter who you decide to vote in, hopefully they actually deserve the position but it still does not matter because we will get what Rahm or any politician wants to give us, and that it is all. you should be more concerned about making what you get, to work for you and your family. Also you should try and figure out a better end game then our pension system. Odds are it will not be there at least not as it is design right now. it obviously isnt our fault but there is nothing our F.O.P. or any union can do about it. So you can say im stupid for not voting but I have secured my future, pension or not, and if I thought anybody could actually do something I might consider voting for them, be safe, help the real victims and back up your fellow officers. Excuse the grammar like I said Im only a H.S. graduate.
Been going to a lot of meeting and heard all three teams at roll call - These are my picks.
President:
Tom McDonaugh - New Blood Needed!
1st V. P.
Jim Jakstavich - Great heart, not a great public speaker
2nd V. P.
Keith Carter - Honest
3rd V. P.
Jim Bailey - Time for him to get out of Donahue's Shadow
Recording Secretary
Greg Bella - Should have been President
Financial Secretary
Kevin Kilmer - Great ideas on how to move the Lodge forward
Treasurer
Gotta get back to ya
Sergeant at Arms
Andrew Dobda
Jim Moriarty
Al Francis Jr.
Trustee
Mike Burke
Mike Bober
Darrin Bourret
Mike Carrol
Terry Collins
Mike Garza
Herb Hebein
Rick King
Brian Lutzow
Kathy McCall
Tim Moriarty
Kevin McNulty
Frank Quinn
Bob Rutherford
Jay Ryan
Steve Schrosch
Brad Tucker
PLEASE VOTE!!!!!!
2/10/2014 09:05:00 AM
Anonymous Mike Walsh said...
My suggestion is ANY negative post regarding any group or individual be taken down or not posted to begin with. Everyone has an opinion and that's why we get a ballot. Act like an adult and use your opinion to cast a VOTE. Only 20 something percent of actives voted last election. That means 80% of our guys opinions don't mean shit to the FOP anyway, because they know you won't vote and unfortunately in my opinion like other politicians it seems that's all anyone cares about over there. I'm going to look into each candidate as much as possible and vote for who I feel is the best choice for all of us as a group. I left my name because I hate anonymous posts
2/10/2014 09:12:00 AM
Mike I applaud you and unfortunately we have only a few people that seem to be continually blogging the same old stuff over and over. Lot of back stabbing and yes it will be up to all of us on the cast of our votes. I might not agree on some of the issues that occurred but I truly feel that you should not throw the baby out with the bath water and do we need a total brand new group as proposed.
Outside of this blog I have literally received zero information on potential candidates. nothing. I may as well throw a dart at the ballot.
2/10/2014 11:34:00 AM
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Check the address the dept has for you as well as the address the FOP have on file.
They cannot be correct if you are not getting mailings
I can't wait to get my ballot!
I with you on this one SCC I actually kept a the paperwork they were all handing out so I know who to vote for but more importantly who not to vote for.
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Plus be very careful on voting for those that have held previous positions (under prior regimes)
And watch those retiree's that are on the ballot for Trustee.
Many of them have been involved with the FOP in the past as well ( like on committees)
And many gave run numerous times in previous elections and lost.
There is a reson they lost
Educate yourselves on the candidates you are voting for before you vote
And Remember to Vote
Definitely not voting for any ticket with a Shields on it.
Anonymous said...
Dean Angelo has Taken OUR MONEY from the pension fund..he could have just retired and collected his pension but he APPLIED for disability and has coast our PENSION fund over $500,000.
NOW he wants TWO PAYCHECKS from US!! Why doesn't he every mention he was on NOLAN'S TEAM who FUCKED US on paying for HEALTH INSURANCE. BEWARE of anyone on his ticket, they have already proven they will lay down with a THIEF to get elected. I agree with scc! All elected and appointed board members MUST GO!
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This is true
Anonymous said...
Can anyone explain why Dean Angelo is running for President, he walks unassisted able to shoot, full time professor, and when he was in the FOP years ago ask him again about the use of our credit cards and the parties that we paid for. When he asks if there are any questions please ask some of the above. I think a person who is able to work a full time job should be able to handle something on the job. Shameful that this money he is accepting is coming out of our pockets and depleting our pension fund.
2/09/2014 08:44:00 PM
By the same token, isn't Jaglowski on heart attack disability, being paid from the pension fund? How can he work the union job but not the CPD? And this isn't an attack; it's a question. (Okay, two questions.)
Can anyone answer?
2/10/2014 01:21:00 AM
Carlos, Tom Mc, Dean and Bill D have all served on past boards at different capacities. Who should be president now?
Tom Mc was Never part of any previous FOP admin
I ran for trustee last time but I want no part of it. I learned too much. It would be like going for a job at City Hall, no one I want to spend time around.
Whatever you do please vote! This election is probably the most important in my 26 years on and if we get the usual dismal return percentage the city will sieze on that empathy and take away the KY jelly as the continue to screw us even harder.
" Anonymous said...
How come Shields isn't running again...?"
— good comment. At what point did he feel his time was up and had withdrawn? Not even a re-election flyer or plan drafted? Never has an incumbent run just one term.
This by far is certainly the most dysfunctional and inexperienced FOP Lodge7 team we have allowed to be elected. I didn't vote this team before and certainly won't align with this leadership now.
So, I wonder if he was a City Hall mole ?
no thanks for dean angelo. could be worse than little mikey in my opinion. Mcdonough for me.
Attention... attention...!!!!
Limit your ballot to 6 retired trustees.... 0 retired executive board members. 0 retired sergeants (sorry Voight).
Active members need to take charge of this organization.retirees will rule because they vote in mass. Dont let them control the fop and additionally collect over $6, 000 a year in stipend for doing next to nothing.
Dont get me wrong. They are great for hostorical perspective. They are great to lobby for retired agenda but they need to be limited. Hope this message sinks in to all.
Stay safe...
The ballots may not be coming at all. Just heard Mike Shields filed a lawsuit in an attempt to stop the election. This kid will stop at nothing.
Guys and girls I am urging you to do your research and vote for experienced candidates if the election goes forward as planned. Be aware of exactly who the Shields supporters were and still are. One group of Shields supporters is the supposedly independent pension watchdog group who is now supporting none other than Dean Angelo. This should speak volumes to you if you have half a brain.
Anonymous said...
Regarding Dean Angelo: How can he be fit to be FOP President but he can't work down at ERPS, 311, or any other light duty spot? I am not being an ass about it or sarcastic but seriously. If you can't work a spot like that then how can you work the FOP desk? Someone please enlighten me on this. Again no sarcasm here on my end.
2/10/2014 10:28:00 AM
Try talking to the man, he has hit ALL the districts and the roll calls. He answered those questions as well as alot of other good information.
I received a letter from the Pension Watchdog Team. Seems like they have aligned themselves with Dean Angelo. But, the interesting part is that most of the guys on this team ran with Mike Shields including his brother Dan. These are the board members that allowed Mike Shields to destroy our union. I work in 018 and Dan Shields has told people his brother Mike is coming back. Is Dean Angelo bringing Mike back into the office. Think twice everyone when those ballots come out. Why are the Shields boys hooking up with Dean?
I call BS, Mike Shields isn't even running. I work in 018 also and have not heard that said once.
SCC, don't know if you are going to do the write about CPD and Masters regarding the Kochman case. See link:
http://projects.suntimes.com/koschman/latest-news/daleys-city-hall-scrambled-over-vanecko-questions/
Tom McDonogue reminds me to much of Donahue! Won't make that mistake again!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Look at today's Sun Times. Andrews, Cirone, Yamishiroya should all be st call back. Unbelievable!
2/10/2014 02:56:00 PM
Come on, you're really gonna make me pay money for that thing? Just tell us, already.
These clowns have to know that the majority have no faith in whatever the FOP tries to accomplish. IF the FOP wants our trust they need to Hire legal representation to combat the lawyers ballerina has in store for us. Cops representing us is a death wish. Lets get professional about it or its status quo as always. lets give some else a try if they don't care and fuck their three digit salary no more...
Meet the Shields Team, the 16 Individuals who controlled the FOP Board and consistently voted with Mike Shields. Shields motivation was purely political and for personal gain. These board members were controlled by Shields and enabled him to run our union into the ground. Their blind loyalty elevated him to the dictator he became, believing he could do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted. These same individuals voted not guilty after he admitted he did not send the retro letter in on time. The charges spoke for themselves. The charges that they found him NOT GUILTY of had to be sent to the state fop because the Shields 16 could not do their jobs and represent the best interest of the members. Please remember these names when casting your ballots.
President Michael K. Shields
3rd VP Danny Gorman
Sergeant at Arms William Burns
Sergeant at Arms Daniel J. Shields
Trustee Dean Angelo, Jr.
Trustee Michael Burke
Trustee Denis E. Doherty
Trustee Fernando Flores
Trustee Allen J. Jaglowski
Trustee Rick King
Trustee John J. Lipka
Trustee Timothy Murphy
Trustee Ron Shogren
Trustee Danny Stover
Trustee Daniel G. Trevino
Trustee Michael Underwood
FUCK whomever the PIECE OF SHIT is that posted this!!!
When will I receive my retro check in the mail?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The full Rutherford sexual harrassment allegations have been made public and is all over the media. Whether the allegations are true or not, his career is toast. Its disheartening since I thought he had a lot of good things to say at the V.F.W. meeting and he could have helped us out a lot if he got elected.
2/10/2014 05:24:00 PM
The accuser and his wife declared bankruptcy a couple of years ago and suddenly, something that allegedly happened 'several' years ago must be revealed just before an election?
Gee, why would a bankrupt guy suddenly feel the need to bare his soul and point the finger at exactly this point in time?
The City Wide team was left in place by Shields, after he was elected. Daugherty, Aguilar , and the rest, worked against Shields from day 1. Shields screwed up big time, by not sending the letter, but any of the VP's could have sent it. The letter only became an issue, when the elections came around. The trustees were never told by the Daugherty gang about the letter. They found out, when everyone else did. Don't vote for city wide.
Move on people, pay no attention! FOP signed off on pension legislation that would allow injured officers to work another job, earn as much as they want! Because Dean Angelo happens to be on disability from a bone-fide injury, resentful and bitter members are spreading vicious rumors to discredit him? Get a life, people. Align people who you can trust and have nothing to gain by being in office or on a committee! TIME FOR CHANGE!!! Let's do it!!!
2/10/2014 08:56:00 AM
Dean Angelo was a big part of the Nolan team that did us so much harm. He is a scam artist from way back when, and I'm afraid he would sell us out to get something for his kid. We need younger officers running this organization. Surely there must be someone more trustworthy than Dean.
You guys bash people with no proof of your allegations. You just do it because you dont like a certain copper. Shameful!!!! At least those who are running had enough cafre in their hearts to go to meetings while you were too busy being salty about everything in life!
SCC please edit the personal attacks
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
If any of the current leadership at FOP remain, we only have ourselves to blame. They don't hold themselves accountable for anything. The Citywide team is scrambling and pointing fingers at everyone, but themselves. They have been caught in too many lies. The overall consensus seems that anyone currently in office will be gone, only time will tell. Let's just hope everyone votes, not just 3-4000 active members this time.
2/10/2014 09:20:00 AM
How can they point at themselves?? Shields and his band of 16 faithful controlled every board decision. They determined the direction of this union and aided Shields in his skulduggery. Look at the scorecards (roll call votes) and you will see who is responsible for turning our union into a personal gratification, personal gain machine
Bill Dougherty is, that's who. Bills Greed and lust for Power is what has got us into this mess, Shields messed up on the letter but according to the City wide shills posting here he did everything but Kill Cock Robin.
Dougherty set up Shields and shields was dumb enough to be duped by him. As few as 5 months ago Shields was still believing that Dougherty was running with him and Shield agreed to dump DeiMaria for Bills little buddy, Jim Bailey. How were you going to run on Shields ticket Bill a year after the "letter" incident. Give me a break. You should have signed the "letter" when Shields secretary handed it to you a day before the deadline. But that would have only served the membership, not your Presidential Asperations. And to all the Mensa Members posting that FOP Salaries are Pensionable, call the Pension Board and you will find out you are wrong.Stalin said, "tell the lie often enough and it becomes the truth", aparently Dougherty's Mentor.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Regarding Dean Angelo: How can he be fit to be FOP President but he can't work down at ERPS, 311, or any other light duty spot? I am not being an ass about it or sarcastic but seriously. If you can't work a spot like that then how can you work the FOP desk? Someone please enlighten me on this. Again no sarcasm here on my end.
2/10/2014 10:28:00 AM
Try talking to the man, he has hit ALL the districts and the roll calls. He answered those questions as well as alot of other good information.
2/10/2014 08:01:00 PM
Ask anyone who was around what Dean and Nolan did to us to screw us out of our health care. Our current health care troubles/costs can be traced back to Dean and Nolan. Don't trust him, no matter how sincere he sounds. Elect a younger person from the patrol division, if possible.
Please SCC. Many of us are looking for direction. This is too important for you to just sit it out. Post some recommendations, and let the discussion begin. The people we elect will have to deal with the most important decisions this union will ever have to make. Please reconsider.
Hey 018th District genius. You don't have to run in the election to be assigned as a field rep. Angelo could bring Shields inside if he wanted to.
Anonymous said...
Regarding Dean Angelo: How can he be fit to be FOP President but he can't work down at ERPS, 311, or any other light duty spot? I am not being an ass about it or sarcastic but seriously. If you can't work a spot like that then how can you work the FOP desk? Someone please enlighten me on this. Again no sarcasm here on my end.
2/10/2014 10:28:00 AM
Try talking to the man, he has hit ALL the districts and the roll calls. He answered those questions as well as alot of other good information.
2/10/2014 08:01:00 PM
OK then, I'll just get into the Way Back Machine and go back in time a bit to one of those roll calls where he answered those questions as well as alot of other good information and get myself educated.
Wait a minute, I am retired and don't go to roll calls. Damn! And I don't go to those retirees lunches. I'm just fucked just plain fucked, I guess I am doomed to not knowing. I just won't vote for the mother fucker then.
Thanks anyway.
Active members need to take charge of this organization.retirees will rule because they vote in mass. Dont let them control the fop and additionally collect over $6, 000 a year in stipend for doing next to nothing.
Dont get me wrong. They are great for hostorical perspective. They are great to lobby for retired agenda but they need to be limited. Hope this message sinks in to all.
Stay safe...
2/10/2014 07:47:00 PM
Thanks for the bit about the hostorical perspective. Go fuck yourself.
I've got to go to St Alphonsus now and vote in the 900am mass.
Now go home and get your shine box. That is a hostorical reference.
Traditionally the retiree's submit the most ballots.
This needs to be turned around and the active rank and file need to vote.
Please encourage all active members to vote. Don't let the retiree's dictate your election.
Anonymous said...
Regarding Dean Angelo: How can he be fit to be FOP President but he can't work down at ERPS, 311, or any other light duty spot? I am not being an ass about it or sarcastic but seriously. If you can't work a spot like that then how can you work the FOP desk? Someone please enlighten me on this. Again no sarcasm here on my end.
2/10/2014 10:28:00 AM
Because once you use up your IOD medical time you are done. It is cumulative 365 days. Once you hit that mark you are done full or light duty. That's why.
2/10/2014 03:19:00 PM
What the hell kind of CPD duty spot is the FOP desk? You want to throw that nice old lady out of work? She is a former PO's wife and another guy's mother. She is always polite and probably makes a nice pie. Shame on you for wanting her out of work.
Anonymous said...
You gotta be kidding me? Bill's been a part of the FOP for as long as he has because he knows what he's doing and he's good at it. A mistake was made in voting in people who didn't know what they were doing in the last election. Not making that mistake again.
2/10/2014 04:13:00 PM
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Bill's part of the problem not the solution.
It looks like im only voting for 7 people.
I'm not diluting my vote with hacks.
I recommend that everyone just vote for people you know can do an adequate job.
I know many of you will vote based on race or what district a person works but beware.
its your ass on the line so use the big HEAD.
The "letter" this, the "letter" that...blah blah blah...bunch of incompetent fucks. Every last one of them. Nothing but politicians with guns who obviously don't have our interests as their priority. Hopefully, we will have an unprecedented number of voters this time around and we will see some new fresh faces serving us for a change...oh wait I just woke up and reality kicked me in the ass.
Dean Angelo has never held an Executive position, so he would be great for President. In regards to disability, his is legit, not to mention he has over 30 years on the job in patrol positions. His team is pretty much fresh, intelligent and down to earth . His team only has the membership in mind. His team is cutting back all office salaries by at least 30%!!! They are starting a medical fund to help officers in need. They have a good mix of patrol, D2 and retirees. Alot of fresh faces and diversity!! All the old executives should go and enjoy their retirement. We need a fresh start, and Dean Angelo is the way to fight back. Get radical with Rahm and McCarthy. I have 26 years on and have had enough of the same executives just switching executive positions. Once again, Angelo's team has mandated they will cut salaries at least 30% across the board and start a new medical fund to help P/O's in need!!! They have also mentioned self insuring our members and replacing the same arbitrator we always get stuck with!!!!
Any idiot that voted for Shields
strictly for the sake of "Change" please don't vote this time. Leave the voting to the adults.
Tom McDonogue reminds me to much of Donahue! Won't make that mistake again!
2/10/2014 09:51:00 PM
There should be an IQ test to vote.
Mike Shields filed an injuction request with the courts. He is trying to block the elections from going on without his name as a candidate. The court hearing is today at 1030.
hopefully the sgts will wake up and vote the current regime out in November--- candidates need to attend 50% of the meetings this year- the meetings are every other month, food and drink always provided and they last less than an hour
Shields was right, it's all fixed. The FOP and city have always been in bed with each other.
So Regardless of Who or the Team that you vote for....
Who's counting the votes
Will the election go like the CPS reform vote for an elected school Board
Remember Blue Wave a few yrs back thought they had a chance
Money a newspaper etc
I just don't trust Da Shitcago Way
How about a vote to Decertify FLOP
The Citywide Team can not have it both ways. They ran WITH Shields and are responsible for his silliness. Dougherty has been overpaid by this Union for over ten years. Enough already!
As for Angelo, does he look like someone who was "disabled" for the last ten years? A scammer through and through.
Citywide never ran with Shields. How did you make the department
Dean Angelo has never held an Executive position, so he would be great for President.
Not true, Dean worked inside for Bill Nolan, yes Bill Nolan. He was also on the contract negotiation team that pushed the contract that we voted down. Dean sold us out on the health insurance that we pay a percentage of our salary for today. Dean is not fresh he is a problem that we already extracted once.
I got a flyer in the mail yesterday for some guy named Scott Pledanski, from the committee to elect Scott Pledanski, paid for by the friends of Scott Pledanski, approved by Scott Pledanski, written by Scott Pledanski.
Who is Scott Pledanski?
Rich Aguliar? How many of the 146 posts in this thread are yours?
At a general meeting you said you are the most honest man in fop.
So how many of these posts are yours?
Let's break this down:
Anonymous said...
Dean Angelo has never held an Executive position, so he would be great for President.
True, he never was elected to the first 5 spots but he was part of the Dineen, Nolan camps for years as a trustee. Which means he voted at board meetings.
In regards to disability, his is legit, not to mention he has over 30 years on the job in patrol positions.
30 years in patrol? When did he go on disability? Why disability and not a pension? He has still been raping this dept in one way or another for at least 10 years of disability from the pension fund.
His team is pretty much fresh, intelligent and down to earth .
How fresh is his son, who was part of the Shields team.
R. Casiano - has been at the Academy Range for the past 10 years at least.
Tom Lonergan - although retired, had spent the better part of his career at the Academy. At least 20 years that I know of working at the Academy and then in the Ct. Section when dumped from Academy.
Ron Shogren - this statement from their website says it all: "Ron has been elected a Trustee numerous times since 1980 and continues to serve as a Trustee"
Shogren has made a career working at the FOP.
Dan Trevino - here's another that has made a career out of being a trustee or a career committee member (committee members get $50 for each meeting they attend)
His team only has the membership in mind.
His team is cutting back all office salaries by at least 30%!!!
Really? So, the girls that work in the office are getting a pay cut but not the executive board?
They are starting a medical fund to help officers in need.
With whose $$$$$$
Isn't this what the Police Memorial Foundation does already?
replacing the same arbitrator we always get stuck with!!!!
How they gonna do that? Aren't arbitrators assigned from a pool available?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Regarding Dean Angelo: How can he be fit to be FOP President but he can't work down at ERPS, 311, or any other light duty spot? I am not being an ass about it or sarcastic but seriously. If you can't work a spot like that then how can you work the FOP desk? Someone please enlighten me on this. Again no sarcasm here on my end.
2/10/2014 10:28:00 AM
Because once you use up your IOD medical time you are done. It is cumulative 365 days. Once you hit that mark you are done full or light duty. That's why.
2/10/2014 03:19:00 PM
What the hell kind of CPD duty spot is the FOP desk? You want to throw that nice old lady out of work? She is a former PO's wife and another guy's mother. She is always polite and probably makes a nice pie. Shame on you for wanting her out of work.
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What the original poster is asking is, if Angelo was light duty (Before the current 365 rule established in 2012)
why couldn't he have worked at Call Back, or in another limited duty position.
And that is a valid question.
There was a time that the dept was not putting people into light duty spots and forcing them onto disability (if the pension bd would approve)
I don't know Angelo's medical condition that he went disability for, so I can't and won't comment on that. I don't know if he was one to be forced to disability or not.
NO ONE is saying the desk at the FOP (meaning P.S.'s job)
That poster was saying the desk at the FOP meaning The Big Desk - The President's position.
How come D.A. can work his side job at Cal College or sit at the President of the FOP desk and not have worked limited duty on the job.
Oh yes being sent twice to the police board to fight for his job on working beefs . More like he was jack-potted.... Gets your facts right. And learn to spell.
If shields had 16 votes. And in 3 years Dougherty couldn't persuade 2 of them to dude with him. Why would you let billy negotiate anything.
Dean did hold an executive position. He was a field rep making Captains pay. He was also hard od the Nolan regime who spent our money like drunken sailors. You want fresh... Dean is not the answer. Dean had his day as did many others that are running. Make sure you don't vote to many retirees into office. especially this running for higher office and a retired Sergeant. My 2 cents!!!!
throw the bums out!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
OT: CLEAN THE ACADEMY OUT! If you are described on the A&A'S in a position such as secretary or timekeeper, time to get sent back to a didtrict. Hello media? Are u listening?
2/10/2014 03:11:00 PM
Enough already ... either you can't get there or someone who doesn't want you anymore is there now. Whatever. Give it up already, moron!
Dean Angelo was a big part of the Nolan team that did us so much harm. We need younger officers running this organization. Surely there must be someone more trustworthy than Dean.
2/10/2014 11:33:00 PM
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Billy Dougherty thank you for your comments.
I bet you wish now you would have signed the letter.
I bet you would not have put the vet on speaker phone and brought in your personal lawyer to double team the vet.
I bet you would have not listened to Mark so much and would have been your own man.
I bet you wish that you would not have threaten to beat up a senior citizen at a general meeting in front of 150 people.
I bet you would not have admitted that you challenged to beat up Shields twice again in front of over 200 people at a general meetings.
I bet you would not allowed Jimmy Moriarty to tape a board meeting and then post it to you tube with Rich Aguliar's help if you had to do it over.
I bet that you wish you would have never got into bed with State lodge President Ted "jello spine" Street.
I bet you wish you would have not used Kevin Graham to do your dirty work.
I bet that I will never ever vote for you.
Carlos, Tom Mc, Dean and Bill D have all served on past boards at different capacities. Who should be president now?
Tom Mc was Never part of any previous FOP admin
Yes he was. He was a trustee and on our last contract committee. Look up the last contract. His name is on it.
Anonymous said...
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Why doesn't he every mention he was on NOLAN'S TEAM who FUCKED US on paying for HEALTH INSURANCE. BEWARE of anyone on his ticket, they have already proven they will lay down with a THIEF to get elected. I agree with scc! All elected and appointed board members MUST GO!
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This is true
2/10/2014 06:29:00 PM
Not a Nolan fan asks---Correct me if I'm wrong but as I recall, We voted on the issue. When I voiced opposition I remember officers telling me " it's no big deal. it's only a couple of bucks."
We are our own worst enemy.
Dean Angelo seams to be a nice guy but, he has to much baggage to be used against us come contract time. I don't want the FOP president on the front page of the papers anymore..
Anonymous said...
Dean Angelo has never held an Executive position, so he would be great for President. In regards to disability, his is legit, not to mention he has over 30 years on the job in patrol positions. His team is pretty much fresh, intelligent and down to earth . His team only has the membership in mind. His team is cutting back all office salaries by at least 30%!!! They are starting a medical fund to help officers in need. They have a good mix of patrol, D2 and retirees. Alot of fresh faces and diversity!! All the old executives should go and enjoy their retirement. We need a fresh start, and Dean Angelo is the way to fight back. Get radical with Rahm and McCarthy. I have 26 years on and have had enough of the same executives just switching executive positions. Once again, Angelo's team has mandated they will cut salaries at least 30% across the board and start a new medical fund to help P/O's in need!!! They have also mentioned self insuring our members and replacing the same arbitrator we always get stuck with!!!!
2/11/2014 01:10:00 AM
Dean was anything but radical when he was part of the Nolan team that screwed up our health care. He was on board with everything Nolan did, a real go-along guy. Don't fall for the colorful brochure. Do your homework.
Big deal that Angelo has gone to every district. He is on disability and apparently has a lot, and I mean a lot of time on his hands. Anyone that thinks a guy that has been away on disability all this time and now is the answer to anything is a goof. This pension scammer and his merry band of misfits have been spewing nonsense this whole time. Saving money by eliminating positions? You have to eliminate the field rep spots dummy. This is a guy that has never written a report on a computer and he's the answer? No way folks. We need someone that is working now and concerned with the working guy and gal. This Angelo is all about himself and nothing more.
Anonymous said...
I thinking we should give Kevin G. a shot for 1st VP. It's unfortuate he's running with the guys that hurt us, but he's never been in the decision making process. He has the knowledge.
2/10/2014 11:45:00 AM
You're kidding. Right??!!
Yes. You must be kidding. There's absolutely no way you are saying that with any sincerity, whatsoever.
I am trying to get the most value out of my vote I think the best the FOP can do for me is let me sell my vote for $10 that is probaly the most bang for my buck. Even the best candidate wont be able to accomplish much more than that.
Now the Shitty -Wide Team wants to throw out the election Committee and put in his own election Committee. They are truly the Chicago Democratic machine of FOP. Emperor
Dougherty has called for a "Special Board Meeting on Thursday at 1400 at
FOP Hall.
Anonymous said...
Traditionally the retiree's submit the most ballots.
This needs to be turned around and the active rank and file need to vote.
Please encourage all active members to vote. Don't let the retiree's dictate your election.
2/11/2014 12:17:00 AM
Thanks for your input BIll D.
and oh Noooo your not anti-retiree ? The retirees hate you and your anti- retiree stance as well as anyone else who can see beyond the nose on their face. I predict Dougherty wont get 25% of the vote. Every District I go to coppers are talking him down. He is in panic mode.
Some of these guys really have such bad images they should really bow out to save embarrassment.
Anonymous said...
Shields was right, it's all fixed. The FOP and city have always been in bed with each other.
2/11/2014 04:32:00 AM
Anyone who thinks that at least the Sergeants Contract was a "negotiated arbitration" ( fixed ) hasn't got a brain cell working.
Dean Angelo has never held an Executive position, so he would be great for President. In regards to disability, his is legit, not to mention he has over 30 years on the job in patrol positions. His team is pretty much fresh, intelligent and down to earth . His team only has the membership in mind. His team is cutting back all office salaries by at least 30%!!! They are starting a medical fund to help officers in need. They have a good mix of patrol, D2 and retirees. Alot of fresh faces and diversity!! All the old executives should go and enjoy their retirement. We need a fresh start, and Dean Angelo is the way to fight back. Get radical with Rahm and McCarthy. I have 26 years on and have had enough of the same executives just switching executive positions. Once again, Angelo's team has mandated they will cut salaries at least 30% across the board and start a new medical fund to help P/O's in need!!! They have also mentioned self insuring our members and replacing the same arbitrator we always get stuck with!!!!
2/11/2014 01:10:00 AM
I got their information in the mail today. I was thinking I'm going to vote for them. I don't see any other viable candidates in the mix anyway. If they even follow up on half of their promises they'll be better than the what we've had the last 15 years.
You can pan City Wide as much as you want. It won't change the fact that they are 1) the most experienced, 2) the most qualified, 3) the best prepared to protect the interests of the rank and file against the mayor and all those that long to see the ruin of the public employee. To be honest, I wonder how many of the anti-City Wide comments come directly from the mouths of the Mayor and his people. Shame on you for trying to ruin. Vote City wide people.
Enough already ... either you can't get there or someone who doesn't want you anymore is there now. Whatever. Give it up already, moron!
...u meant to say SSssshh!
don't mention my great spot wink wink
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
If any of the current leadership at FOP remain, we only have ourselves to blame. They don't hold themselves accountable for anything. The Citywide team is scrambling and pointing fingers at everyone, but themselves. They have been caught in too many lies. The overall consensus seems that anyone currently in office will be gone, only time will tell. Let's just hope everyone votes, not just 3-4000 active members this time.
2/10/2014 09:20:00 AM
How can they point at themselves?? Shields and his band of 16 faithful controlled every board decision. They determined the direction of this union and aided Shields in his skulduggery. Look at the scorecards (roll call votes) and you will see who is responsible for turning our union into a personal gratification, personal gain machine
Bill Dougherty is, that's who. Bills Greed and lust for Power is what has got us into this mess, Shields messed up on the letter but according to the City wide shills posting here he did everything but Kill Cock Robin.
Dougherty set up Shields and shields was dumb enough to be duped by him. As few as 5 months ago Shields was still believing that Dougherty was running with him and Shield agreed to dump DeiMaria for Bills little buddy, Jim Bailey. How were you going to run on Shields ticket Bill a year after the "letter" incident. Give me a break. You should have signed the "letter" when Shields secretary handed it to you a day before the deadline. But that would have only served the membership, not your Presidential Asperations. And to all the Mensa Members posting that FOP Salaries are Pensionable, call the Pension Board and you will find out you are wrong.Stalin said, "tell the lie often enough and it becomes the truth", aparently Dougherty's Mentor.
2/10/2014 11:38:00 PM
The pot calling the kettle black. Isn't that how mike got elected? Transparency, 80% pension after 20 years, all bullshit Stalin. Nice try but you can't dispute the fact that your brother Mike told the membership at a general meeting that he would send the letter and its printed in the minutes. So why would anyone doubt the President of the FOP would not keep his word? Why would anyone knowingly take money from their own pocket? How about stop making excuses for the one who admitted it was his fault and let the blame lie where it should, squarely on his shoulders and those 15 board members who propped him up and made him believe he was larger than life and the FOP. Called Carolyn and asked her if there was any truth to the fact that she tendered a letter to Dougherty to sign and she said that is an outright lie, the only person I gave a letter to was Mike and he never signed it. I nagged him every day about it and he rewarded me by firing me. Nice try thou Mr. Axelrod keep the spin machine in high gear, you obviously have no regard for the members of the FOP.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Please SCC. Many of us are looking for direction. This is too important for you to just sit it out. Post some recommendations, and let the discussion begin. The people we elect will have to deal with the most important decisions this union will ever have to make. Please reconsider.
2/10/2014 11:53:00 PM
Go back to the original topic. Re-read it slowly. SCC has already GIVEN some direction, but you failed to pay attention.
Big deal that Angelo has gone to every district. He is on disability and apparently has a lot, and I mean a lot of time on his hands. Anyone that thinks a guy that has been away on disability all this time and now is the answer to anything is a goof. This pension scammer and his merry band of misfits have been spewing nonsense this whole time. Saving money by eliminating positions? You have to eliminate the field rep spots dummy. This is a guy that has never written a report on a computer and he's the answer? No way folks. We need someone that is working now and concerned with the working guy and gal. This Angelo is all about himself and nothing more.
2/11/2014 03:36:00 PM
Exactly, You would have to eliminate Field Rep. positions. If you went to the September meeting, Angelo made a motion to eliminate two positions. Your executive board dragged the meeting out for three hours so persons who attended had to leave. Even with that your executive board ended the meeting when the room was split, to get a head count on a vote.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Now the Shitty -Wide Team wants to throw out the election Committee and put in his own election Committee. They are truly the Chicago Democratic machine of FOP. Emperor
Dougherty has called for a "Special Board Meeting on Thursday at 1400 at
FOP Hall.
2/11/2014 04:28:00 PM
Please for once just tell the members the truth and what happened perhaps this might lead back to you and the Shields group?
President Michael K. Shields
3rd VP Danny Gorman
Sergeant at Arms William Burns
Sergeant at Arms Daniel J. Shields
Trustee Dean Angelo, Jr.
Trustee Michael Burke
Trustee Denis E. Doherty
Trustee Fernando Flores
Trustee Allen J. Jaglowski
Trustee Rick King
Trustee John J. Lipka
Trustee Timothy Murphy
Trustee Ron Shogren
Trustee Danny Stover
Trustee Daniel G. Trevino
Trustee Michael Underwood
FUCK whomever the PIECE OF SHIT is that posted this!!!
2/10/2014 10:53:00 PM
The truth is the truth yes just look at the board voting process and you will find this to be factual.
Anonymous said...
Oh yes being sent twice to the police board to fight for his job on working beefs . More like he was jack-potted.... Gets your facts right. And learn to spell.
2/11/2014 08:07:00 AM
Working beefs= playing softball 3 nights a week for Gangs North. Some of us remember Dean's softball days and his injuries.
How about a vote to Decertify FLOP
I'd Vote YES FLOP is a joke and a financial drain Let me keep my dues
This whole election is Embarrassing the name calling the BS Know wonder we have an image problem
Dougherty was elected despite Shields election. Dougherty tried to help Shields run the Lodge but when he was unable to Dougherty fought against Shields while Shields was in office. Shields threw him out on his ass. Shields gets removed and on the day before the ballots goes out Shields files an emergency motion to stop the election. This could have dragged the election out for at least a year. Once again, Dougherty fought Shields on this. Dougherty could have let the lawsuit play out and continued to sit in the presidents chair and collect a check. But he didn't. He fought Shields and won once again. If anyone out there actually thinks that Dougherty and City Wide ran with Shields in the last election, or that Shields didn't try to keep Shields on the up and up, or that anyone other than Angelo or McDonagh's people are posting this kind of BS, your head is farther up your ass than Shields' was.
Big deal that Angelo has gone to every district. He is on disability and apparently has a lot, and I mean a lot of time on his hands. Anyone that thinks a guy that has been away on disability all this time and now is the answer to anything is a goof. This pension scammer and his merry band of misfits have been spewing nonsense this whole time. Saving money by eliminating positions? You have to eliminate the field rep spots dummy. This is a guy that has never written a report on a computer and he's the answer? No way folks. We need someone that is working now and concerned with the working guy and gal. This Angelo is all about himself and nothing more.
2/11/2014 03:36:00 PM
Exactly, You would have to eliminate Field Rep. positions. If you went to the September meeting, Angelo made a motion to eliminate two positions. Your executive board dragged the meeting out for three hours so persons who attended had to leave. Even with that your executive board ended the meeting when the room was split, to get a head count on a vote.
Hey dummy, he tried to eliminate elected positions not field rep positions. That would not eliminate any money as the president can appoint anyone a field rep position. Those positions are separate from the elected positions. Angelo is a big fake and has absolutely no business running our union after scamming the pension all those years.
Anonymous said...
Traditionally the retiree's submit the most ballots.
This needs to be turned around and the active rank and file need to vote.
Please encourage all active members to vote. Don't let the retiree's dictate your election.
2/11/2014 12:17:00 AM
Right, get the active members to vote. It will be opening day of baseball season and the ballot will still be sitting, unopened, on most active PO's kitchen table. Most don't vote. Less than 50%. Retirees vote in overwhelming numbers.
You change that and I will kiss your ass in front of 1412 W Washington. Won't happen. I already have spoken to many active PO's who said they will not bother to vote. I believe them.
vote independent but vote please get these assholes out
Bill it's too late! Attacking Shields did not gain you any votes. It only proved you only care about you.
Ag-u-liar just retire and go away and take DiMaria with you. You guys let all of us down in an attempt to sink Shields which he would have done on his own without your help. But you had to screw all of us to get him out. If you guys would have done the right thing you could have beat Shields without costing us our retro for 2012.
Now you feel the need to attack Angelo? You guys have proven yourselves to be low life's.
How do you goofs justify that kind of money?
SCC is right everyone on that inside cover has to go. Period!
Please DO NOT VOTE FOR THE CITYWIDE TEAM. They have sold us out, we are loosing benefits, please vote better. We are NOT lucky to have a job, WE EARNED IT.
Who is Scott Pledanski?
2/11/2014 07:15:00 AM
Hi, this is Scott Pledanski. Any messages for me?
Big deal that Angelo has gone to every district. He is on disability and apparently has a lot, and I mean a lot of time on his hands. Anyone that thinks a guy that has been away on disability all this time and now is the answer to anything is a goof. This pension scammer and his merry band of misfits have been spewing nonsense this whole time. Saving money by eliminating positions? You have to eliminate the field rep spots dummy. This is a guy that has never written a report on a computer and he's the answer? No way folks. We need someone that is working now and concerned with the working guy and gal. This Angelo is all about himself and nothing more.
2/11/2014 03:36:00 PM
Exactly, You would have to eliminate Field Rep. positions. If you went to the September meeting, Angelo made a motion to eliminate two positions. Your executive board dragged the meeting out for three hours so persons who attended had to leave. Even with that your executive board ended the meeting when the room was split, to get a head count on a vote.
Hey dummy, he tried to eliminate elected positions not field rep positions. That would not eliminate any money as the president can appoint anyone a field rep position. Those positions are separate from the elected positions. Angelo is a big fake and has absolutely no business running our union after scamming the pension all those years.
I wrote the wrong title, so what. Elected position. Doesn't change the fact he he proposed a by-law to eliminate two elected positions at the September meeting...Does it? You cant bring anyone up if there is not a position to fill.
Notice the Dean Angelo haters are knocking disability, why? They have nothing constructive to say. All the talk about the past stains everybody, more so the citywide team. Dean Angelo has no connection to little boy shields, citywide is making everything up on these posts, they are the people who have been receiving huge pay checks for at least the past 6 years. Lets get real.
Ballot just in 1pm today 12feb2014
You will all be sorry when you are working for Sgt Michael K. Shields.
As I sit here with my ballot after some reflection I realized that in the last election voting for someone with absolutely NO FOP experience was really a bad idea (ie the letter). I also question any candidate who during the last term did not speak up and inform the membership of the errors and conflicts occurring. If they had concerns as they now claim, they should have informed the membershp. I know many members are facing the same ballot decisions I am. After much thought I am and would advise all the members to 1st vote for candidates that you personally know and have confidence in. Second, I would NOT vote for all candidates on one particular slate. Third, because of all the pressing issues we face in the future, I would make sure my returned ballot has a mixture of both active and retired officers. Fourth, and most important I will make sure my returned ballot has a mixture of candidates that have previous FOP board experience and candidates that do not have FOP board experience. And, remember you do not have to vote for all positions, so if you don't know 17 trustees that you feel comfortable with only vote for those that you do.
This post is only directed to Bill/City Wide and Dean. Bill you probably will lose this election and not be the president of FOP not because you are not worthy to run that office because you are. You will lose because you sold your soul to the devil and forgot what it feels like to be in need, hurt, helpless, stripped, and about to lose your livelihood and forced out on disability. Some time God has to remind us that he is the one that orders our foot steps in life and when you began to step on the officer's that needed your help the most It became clear to the rank and file It was time for a change. When you stepped on us Bill the least you could have done was to take off your shoes. Dean I don't even know where to begin with you. Talk about being snub standing there with your funny little glasses on looking studious and very smart while you try to convince us that disability is not a bad thing for us. Wow as I sat their in disbelief thinking to myself here is a officer who was too ill to sit and earn his check at 376 answering the phones. In stead you went on disability got your 52% and suddenly got well enough to start teaching school. To add insult to injury you stood before officer's who have Cancer,Heart Trouble, Multiple Sclerosis, lupus,Kidney Disease just to name a few illnesses and say I give you my word If you apply for disability you will not be turned down. Well Dean we don't want to go on disability we want to work and earn our check. Then If that wasn't enough you give us a blow to the head and say If you vote for me to become the President I will take a pay cut. Wow a pay cut I guess you should . Lets see 52% in disability, A teacher salary, I would take a cut in salary too. So, I will end this blog by saying this I have study my ballot long and hard I have listen carefully to all of you and I have decided to cast my ballot for Clean Slate. When those guys came to 376 Tom and those guys never said anything negative about City Wide or you Dean. What they talked about was alternate revenue sources to fund our pension, Retiree Healthcare, Rebuilding the lines of communications with FOP members just to name a few things and because Clean slate talked only about fixing the problems I will vote for those guys.
1st V. P.
Jim Jakstavich - Great heart, not a great public speaker
2/10/2014 06:07:00 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jakstavich is the best choice. A real stand-up guy. Running as an independent with no ties to any of the shysters.
to the one who dissed me for my take that I basically voted blind.... I searched for information on all the candidates. I did not vote for Michael Shields in the last election.......sorry I did try to vote independent and I understand we are in contract negotiations....but I could not in good conscience vote for certain people who's names I have heard over and over in the past, and not in a good way.
President:
Tom McDonaugh - New Blood Needed!
Just tried "New Blood", how did that work out?
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