FOP Debate?
We got this in an e-mail, allegedly from Acting FOP President Bill Dougherty:
- Dean,
I have been out at roll calls this past week and have received numerous requests for the two of us to debate. I think it would be a good idea for us to express our views in a public forum. Obviously we are working with a very limited time frame, so could you please get back to me ASAP? Once we have a date/time set, I am thinking we could use the FOP website, our respective websites, Facebook, and hopefully the blog if they are willing to publicize it (hence the cc). I would propose Brock Merck as the Mediator, though I am open to any suggestion you might have. We could hold the debate as early as after the General Meeting or as late as Saturday at the FOP Hall.
Thank you.
Bill Dougherty
If this is a legit letter, we're more than willing to publicize it. Here you go. Mandating attendance (by the membership) is another story. All unit reps should be showing up so as to spread the news as far and as wide as possible. YouTube is another option.
Candidates? Readers? Is this desirable, workable, or possible?
Candidates? Readers? Is this desirable, workable, or possible?
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
152 Comments:
Just one question: Will someone video tape it so we can make the impeachment proceedings later that much easier?
Thx.
I don't care if Dougherty presents a workable formula for cold fusion. He ain't gettin my vote.
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!! The thing could be streamed live, maybe since Moriarty is good at posting stuff on you tube he could post the debate as well.....
I think this is a great idea, maybe the membership would actually vote this time seeing that they left almost 6000 ballots that guys didn't even bother to turn in
Yea, or at least each person can post goals, views etc
If a legitimate offer, I see this a good opportunity to to see the differences in leadership philosophy from each candidate to lead the FOP in the coming years.
Same ol same ol vs Same ol same ol
all for a civilized debate. Do it on a weekend.
Hold the debate on a Saturday or Sunday at the hall or another larger union hall venue. Allow 5-10 minutes for an opening statement from both Bill and Dean. Then a round of questions with time limit answers. The. closing statements. Just the two candidates, no other members feeding them anything. No mud slinging, just answer the members questions and no, "I will get back to you" answers.
It should be recorded and made available on fop website for officers who cannot attend.
A debate is great but the bi laws should be changed to state that all presidential candidates be allowed to participate in a debate prior to an election. Also , the main election results should be final. If u win by 1 u win.
Yes!! Great idea!
This just reeks of desperation on Doughertys part.
He knows his days are numbered and wants to draw as big an audience as possible to lob some unsubstantiated claims against Dean Angelo.
If you want more of the same old, same old then vote this clown back in. But by voting for him you vote in all of his henchmen of several terms past which helped torpedo our organization to where it's at today. You see how little the Citywide Team has done for us over the past four terms. Do you really want another three years of them kissing the politicians asses while we are left begging for scraps? Check out their endorsements made by the political action committee for all you need to know.
CUT THE HEAD OFF THIS SNAKE ALREADY AND LET IT DIE. DOUGHERTY AND ANY INFLUENCE HE AND THE OTHER CITYWIDE LEFTOVERS MIGHT HAVE IN OUR UNION NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT TO PASTURE FOR GOOD.
DEAN ANGELO gets my vote, and he should get yours as well. Enjoy conducting your last FOP meeting at noon today Billyboy. We'll see you three years from now no doubt.
Correct me if I'm wrong {and I know you will}, But didn't Dean go on a small spending spree when he lost his office a few years back? $300 dinner on the FOP credit card, what will he do if he wins this time and looses in 3 years? Can we really afford to give him that chance? YES ON A DEBATE! The only person who wouldn't debate was Daley, and we all know why.
Brock Merck mediating this is gonna be fun
Brock? WTF is that about?
No debate needed for me ~ this retiree is voting for Dean Angelo!
There is a questionaire that greg bella and tom have submitted to noth candidites and the answers are very interesting.
I want my chance to ask Dean if its true that he wants us to ratify a contract that includes changes to my current retirement benefits. Sounds like Dean is a plant to take away our pension and medical.
This just reeks of desperation on Doughertys part.
He knows his days are numbered and wants to draw as big an audience as possible to lob some unsubstantiated claims against Dean Angelo.
If you want more of the same old, same old then vote this clown back in. But by voting for him you vote in all of his henchmen of several terms past which helped torpedo our organization to where it's at today. You see how little the Citywide Team has done for us over the past four terms. Do you really want another three years of them kissing the politicians asses while we are left begging for scraps? Check out their endorsements made by the political action committee for all you need to know.
CUT THE HEAD OFF THIS SNAKE ALREADY AND LET IT DIE. DOUGHERTY AND ANY INFLUENCE HE AND THE OTHER CITYWIDE LEFTOVERS MIGHT HAVE IN OUR UNION NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT TO PASTURE FOR GOOD.
DEAN ANGELO gets my vote, and he should get yours as well. Enjoy conducting your last FOP meeting at noon today Billyboy. We'll see you three years from now no doubt.
3/18/2014 01:35:00 AM
Some of us on the job think we have a decent wage and benefit package.Some of you people will never be happy no matter what.
Bill's campaign materials says he has been lied about. A lot. They should face off so we can figure it out.
I could care less about what Dougherty has to say
All of Dean's people voted to keep Shields at the last Board meeting!!! Disappointing and disgusting.
Yeah, you're right. Citywide hasn't done anything.
Here's some of the things they got. Wage compression, top pay lowered by five years. 29 and out, lowered from 32 and a day. A new work schedule. Free health care at 55. No health care premium increases for actives for 7 years. Got pay raises in 2008, 2009, and 2010 when other police unions took zeroes or gave back raises.
You're right they really fucked us. We don't need that type of guy running our union.
Could we get a hotel room rematch of Graham vs. Mcdonagh.? As an undercard? Front 4 rows will be issued parkas like a Gallagher comedy show. Yes!
Too little too late. Our leadership has failed us, and still hasn't posted the election numbers for all the candidates in our recent election. Transparency my Ass!!
Ballots do not have to be postmarked until the 31st. We could do it on Saturday at the hall. That gives plenty of time to vote.
Anonymous said...
Also , the main election results should be final. If u win by 1 u win.
3/18/2014 01:02:00 AM
That is the way for all spots except president. To prevent a president being elected by a small percentage of members if there are multiple candidates.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!! The thing could be streamed live, maybe since Moriarty is good at posting stuff on you tube he could post the debate as well.....
I think this is a great idea, maybe the membership would actually vote this time seeing that they left almost 6000 ballots that guys didn't even bother to turn in
3/18/2014 12:24:00 AM
I bet there will be even fewer voting in this runoff. More ballots will be received with "Fuck You" and other such nonsense on them. Even more ballots from the previous election will be finally sent in. These are the genius's you work with. And they have guns.
FOP Debate?
Great idea, here is how it goes: You put de bait on de hook to catch de fish.
Guys and Gals you heard it here loud and clear Dougherty WILL restore some of the city wide guys that lost back to the union. Think about your decision.
If these mopes debate in public the FOP will look like a bunch of BA-FOONS!
One will talk about all the laws he passed and who he is not responsible for the letter or the FOP current state.
The other will brag about his paper mill degrees and how he was a gret paper jumper before his so called early retirement on the medical.
One will put his son in executive spot (Nepotism).
The other will put people not elected in office to soak up clouted salaries.
Come on bill you are a sellout and you have no manhood and you are a lie. Cooter said
The debate should actually be Doherty and Angelo vs. Brock Merck. At that time the membership would be sick that they didn't elect Brock Merck to 2nd vice president.
Absolutely, maybe we can get past the popularity contest that is currently the fop election.
Maybe McDonagh could be a part of the debate and explain why he went from saying that Angelo was making "deals with devil" by aligning himself with Shields to making his own "deal with the devil" with Angelo??????
How can you ask if this is desireable? Of course it is. Didn't this very same blog put up two posts warning about the people that voted for Shields in September and again a couple weeks ago? Aren't they all Team DEan? I, for one, want an explanation.
I've never been part of a Debate Club in school, but these need to be planned and questions need be fair. Doing one overnight or in a weeks time is too lopsided and probably unfair to one candidate. Now you have a candidate proposing a debate, whether prepared or not, if the other guy refuses he looks like a chumbalone.
The last thing we need is an open forum at the Lodge and the 012 has to respond after the first round.
It's a good concept, but way too late in the contest.
***More important...VOTE REPUBLICAN TODAY in the Primary.
One of the more interesting ideas coming out of FOP.
I agree to the idea to tape and offer the video for viewing/posterity.
Any/all promises should be 'put on the record' at that time.
Have AGUILIAR send out another EMAIL !
Dougherty was second in command and in my eyes, failed us by not gett our retro check letter in on time. Why in the WORLD, would anyone vote for this fool???
GFY speaker phone Bill! You are done! See ya!!!
Nothing like wanting a debate after the ballots are mailed. Bill if by some miracle you could steal this election you have only have 4 votes on the board vs 22 against you. And you are going to lose two of those votes by the 4th of July. You will be more ineffective than president Carter was.
No need for a debate in my book, I am voting for ANGELO. If he doesn't get elected you guys are no better than the sheeple of Chicago. Remember when all the aldermen rubber stamped the meter deal for mayor Daley, they all should of not been re elected. You think they would of been grateful and say never again will i rubber stamp a proposal of the mayor. So how did they repay the citizens who voted for them? They rubber stamped the red light camera legislation. If you guys re elect Dougherty you are sheeple! He helped us lose our retro, what else will he cost us if voted back into office?
how about live streaming it?
Dean is awfully quiet - Make me think a debate is to risky for him. Don't like either candidate but at least Bill is willing to throw down. Is Dean?
Dougherty is a FRAUD, this insert into the blog is bogus, he is denying the fact that he is no longer wanted to lead the FOP, he has done nothing to ensure that FOP moves forward, I'm a retired Sgt. who spent more time in FOP then the Sgts. union and I am still a member of FOP. I believe in having representation and believe in unions, providing they are led by a good man, I firmly believe that Dean Angelo will do a good job, I worked with Dean in the past and yes he along with many of us have our shortcomings and we as humans will make enemies and will never please all. Please think before you plan to vote for Bill Dougherty
Anonymous said...
Just one question: Will someone video tape it so we can make the impeachment proceedings later that much easier?
Thx.
3/18/2014 12:09:00 AM
Shields your up way to late to be on the blog. You have to be at roll in call at 5am. Stay off the blog
Great idea, personally I suggested a debate numerous times on the blog and via calling fop, this should of been done before the original vote, but then McDonough would of mist likely been the favorite. How about we do it at fop hall, have it moderated by someone from the police chaplains unit ( to keep some of the audience idiots in line) we could charge $10.00 a head, donations to the police chaplains ministry, frank could order the pizza, maybe in the side chair we could have the only pro police media guy john kass asking some hard questions about the pension issues. Lets do it.
Of course its workable, doable, desireable! I want a debaten!
What gives, SCC? On March 6, this is what you wrote about those that voted to keep Shields: “It certainly would have been helpful to have these voting numbers a day or two ago before the ballots were due to be mailed back - all those NO votes on a guy who admitted that he didn't send the retro letter and made the reckless accusations that led to his removal.” SCC, you know now that those were Angelo’s guys. SCC, you did the same thing back on September 28, 2013, in your post entitled “Pick your own Jury.” Those were Angelo guys as well. You said people who cared about the Lodge should go see the sham trial with the Angelo jurors. You posted the names of those who voted for Shields back then. So why would you now ask if a debate is ADVISABLE? Of course it is. We all deserve some answers.
Let it go doherty get back in your bt car
Obamacare Bill has a perfect record of endorsing candidates who voted to screw public employees and not endorsing public employees running for office until now when he is running for president. What he says is completely irrelevant as he like Donahue are in it for themselves period.
Too late.
Word on the street is that at today's FOP general meeting somebody spoke up to ask if it was really Dougherty that proposed the debate on this blog.
Apparently, Dougherty stood up and said it was and said he was ready to debate.
Angelo was also there but refused to comment.
Anybody else hearing the same thing????
I would vote for a PPO. Out of state applicant.that that was raised Republican and has no ties to Chicago. Trust with in CPD. Is gone. Sir Rahmulus.has total control. Why do you think many grown men look up to him and envy the mayor?
Heard that at today's general meeting when Dougherty was asked if he'd really be willing to do this FOP presidential run-off debate, Dougherty said he was ready.
Heard that Angelo wouldn't commit.
Sounds like he might be worried that some of the rumors about him and Shields might get brought up. Sounds like he'd rather hide behind his people that are doing all the shit talking on this blog rather than address his audience.
Maybe that's because the rank and file aren't his real audience? Gotta wonder. . .
My vote will go to whoever has the guts to do a forensic audit of CPD manpower covering the last Daley/Rahm years and publishing it for all of Chicago to see.
I was at the meeting today. A copper stepped to the mike (not shields) and brought up the debate. Dougherty basically said anytime, anywhere. Angelo stood in the back and said nothing. That seals it for me. Don't want to debate, you don't get my vote.
Just so everyone knows, at the general meeting today, when and officer stepped to the microphone and asked Dougherty and Dean if they would debate, Dougherty said of course while Angelo froze in the back of the room and said jack shit.
Finish the job we started. Dump the last citywide guy., only then can we move forward.
Here is a yes/no question for Bill and Dean. Are you going to get rid of Donahue and his $75,000 a year salary?
Bill Dougherty is so desperate he already knows he lost! If you guys and ladies vote Dougherty back in then don't complain with the next EFF up they commit! He was part of the reason we all got screwed out of money PERIOD!!!!
Turn out the lights the party's over Bill!
I was at the Fop meeting today. Dougherty did say that he challenged Angelo to a debate. Angelo was at the meeting today. He did not come to the microphone and say that he would debate Dougherty. But, he knows about the challenge. If he was going to debate you would have thought he would challenge Dougherty at the meeting.
Any retiree that votes for Dougherty is senile. But here would be my first four questions for Bill:
1. Why did you not sign the letter. Before you answer think about the three different versions that you all ready used.
2. I read the Phil Kidner article. What were you thinking? Obama Care for retirees? And we called Kidner just to ask if you were quoted accurately.
3. Why are YOU blocking a vote on letting retirees back in the union? They can’t vote on contracts but the walk a picket line!
4 Why are retirees who call the lodge being told we don’t repesent you anymore?
Bill - Angelo wanted to do a debate two months ago. Now that your 20 point hehind in straw polling you want one? My ballot came at 10 am and is in the post office already.
Please don’t start throwing bricks threw your picture window like an alderman who at best is going to get 40%.
Once again Bill the Magnificent is using slight of hand. He just can't tell the truth. Bill wants a debate with Brock Mreck from 014 as the mediator. I ask you Bill how did you pick Merck? Did you offer him something? Did you give him the questions? What don't you come up with a real format so there is a real debate. Why don't you tell us how you are going to fix this mess. I have to tell you this smells like a he whose name we can't mention production. Bill has to protect the salary at all cost.
I'd like to see that.
Heard that at today's general meeting when Dougherty was asked if he'd really be willing to do this FOP presidential run-off debate, Dougherty said he was ready.
Heard that Angelo wouldn't commit.
Not true. Bill was asked about debate and he said since he just sent a letter to Dean and didn't get a chance to discuss it with him yet since they both are campaigning. What do you want Dean to do...run to the mike and start yelling at Bill like Bobby the Brain Heenan in WWF.
Unfortunatly, a debate will be pointless at this time. Ballots went out and it takes a long time to develop questions fair to both individuals. Who would come up with those questions....the election committee? Who would moderate? Can't be Merck...he was a canidate. All these things are time consuming and if he went ahead with a debaye that looked like it was done by a 5th grade Political Science student, it would take us further down the road of fultility that Mike Shields put us on.
Rumor that Ladner gave 2 week notice today , mmmmm !!!
How about foot post going for bid so the guys with time on can get one.
If Angelo doesn't agree to this it won't surprise me. He has been running from the allegations that came to light just days before the general election votes were tallied:
Angelo attempted to orchestrate a secret vote to keep Shields in office.
Why in the world his son and members of his team would vote to do this not once but twice belies explanation. His "due process" excuses ring hollow given the fact that their were no due process concerns the first time they tried to keep Shields in office and on the ballot back in September.
It will be very interested to see if Angelo makes up some excuse not to debate. Stay tuned people.
The Angelo supporters are really unoriginal in their bashing of Dougherty. He calls for a debate that we are all dying to see and the crank up their smack talking machine.
It's getting old guys. Not mention is it starting to seem obvious to a lot of us that your hate propaganda is coming from the same sources.
Let's get have a debate. If I'm gonna vote for Angelo, I want to know why the secret Shields vote. Just like if I'm gonna vote for Dougherty, I want to know what he knew about the "letter."
Stop the bad mouthing and let's get it on!!!
Great idea, personally I suggested a debate numerous times on the blog and via calling fop, this should of been done before the original vote, but then McDonough would of mist likely been the favorite. How about we do it at fop hall, have it moderated by someone from the police chaplains unit ( to keep some of the audience idiots in line) we could charge $10.00 a head, donations to the police chaplains ministry, frank could order the pizza, maybe in the side chair we could have the only pro police media guy john kass asking some hard questions about the pension issues. Lets do it.
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Maybe we can get Phil Ponce, Carol Marin or Ed McElroy & Associates to moderate the great FOP debate.
Dean won't deabate, so he is not cut out to be president.
I voted Republican today !! Change you can believe in !!
Why would anyone want the mirror image of Shields as President of the FOP...it was a "team failure". Scared to go back to patrol Dougherty?
An FOP president should not make any more than their current salary....fuckin' ridiculous.
3. Why are YOU blocking a vote on letting retirees back in the union? They can’t vote on contracts but the walk a picket line!
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I can answer that one for you, if he is in fact blocking said vote:
Retirees have no statutory labor right to vote for contracts that have no effect on them, that's why.
Also, since you're not aware, it's against labor law to negotiate pension terms while at the same time negotiating for active officer employment terms and compensation. This has the effect of giving the city an unfair hand in pitting retirement benefits against current active employee benefits. Not to mention the absolute fact that retirees don't need FOP representation regarding their pensions after they retire, the constitution protects those benefits in perpetuity as well as several other state laws regarding contract law and the takings clause. Nothing the FOP can do will either increase a benefit for a retiree or diminish a benefit for a retiree, their contract is executed at the time of retirement and remains so until they die.
So in essence, ANY FOP or other fraternal organization in existence is soley for ACTIVE officers and the bargaining on THEIR BEHALF ALONE for successor agreements.
Retirees have no statutory right to get involved in the negotiations or voting for contractual items that have an effect on active officers of which they are not.
THAT'S why retirees are never going to have a voice in contract negotiations for active officer contracts. THAT'S why they aren't allowed "back in the union", of which they ARE involved in the maximum capacity that a retiree IS allowed to be involved in an organization that represents active officers of which they are no longer.
Question answered without Dougherty's help.
Anonymous said...
I've never been part of a Debate Club in school, but these need to be planned and questions need be fair. Doing one overnight or in a weeks time is too lopsided and probably unfair to one candidate. Now you have a candidate proposing a debate, whether prepared or not, if the other guy refuses he looks like a chumbalone.
The last thing we need is an open forum at the Lodge and the 012 has to respond after the first round.
It's a good concept, but way too late in the contest.
***More important...VOTE REPUBLICAN TODAY in the Primary.
3/18/2014 09:32:00 AM
I disagree. Have the debates as soon as possible. If one candidate can't answer how he intends to right the ship at this late stage in the election process, he deserves to be exposed. Candidates should have plans of action already set out.
Dougherty is a FRAUD, this insert into the blog is bogus, he is denying the fact that he is no longer wanted to lead the FOP, he has done nothing to ensure that FOP moves forward, I'm a retired Sgt. who spent more time in FOP then the Sgts. union and I am still a member of FOP. I believe in having representation and believe in unions, providing they are led by a good man, I firmly believe that Dean Angelo will do a good job, I worked with Dean in the past and yes he along with many of us have our shortcomings and we as humans will make enemies and will never please all. Please think before you plan to vote for Bill Dougherty
3/18/2014 10:56:00 AM
Yea ok ...Dean was voted out years ago for a reason.Remember?
Judging by the comments posted so far, Aguilar-Liar is in rare form tonight. A vote for Daugherty, is a vote for Aguilar-liar, Kevin the Hedgehog, and Obama ears Bailey. Dean has my vote.
Anonymous said...
Yeah, you're right. Citywide hasn't done anything.
Here's some of the things they got. Wage compression, top pay lowered by five years. 29 and out, lowered from 32 and a day. A new work schedule. Free health care at 55. No health care premium increases for actives for 7 years. Got pay raises in 2008, 2009, and 2010 when other police unions took zeroes or gave back raises.
You're right they really fucked us. We don't need that type of guy running our union.
3/18/2014 06:42:00 AM
Add:
the crew being a major part of not submitting "the letter" and blaming it all on Shields ...yes, fine, blame him but there were, what? 7 OTHERS who COULD have sent the letter.
Anonymous said...
Guys and Gals you heard it here loud and clear Dougherty WILL restore some of the city wide guys that lost back to the union. Think about your decision.
3/18/2014 07:15:00 AM
He WILL also tell our ELECTED 1st VP that his services are NOT needed so da boyz can continue wit bizness as usual...
Anonymous said...
Word on the street is that at today's FOP general meeting somebody spoke up to ask if it was really Dougherty that proposed the debate on this blog.
Apparently, Dougherty stood up and said it was and said he was ready to debate.
Angelo was also there but refused to comment.
Anybody else hearing the same thing????
3/18/2014 01:58:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Heard that at today's general meeting when Dougherty was asked if he'd really be willing to do this FOP presidential run-off debate, Dougherty said he was ready.
Heard that Angelo wouldn't commit.
Sounds like he might be worried that some of the rumors about him and Shields might get brought up. Sounds like he'd rather hide behind his people that are doing all the shit talking on this blog rather than address his audience.
Maybe that's because the rank and file aren't his real audience? Gotta wonder. . .
3/18/2014 02:04:00 PM
Hey dummy, if you don't use the same type of verbage so quickly in 2 posts we MIGHT believe you aren't Bill or one of his boys. Nah, we'd still see thru it, better luck next time with your mild attempt at brainwashing.
Vote for DA, it's our only hope at breaking this evil cycle.
Debate ? Now Bill wants a debate, after the ballots are already in the hands of the voters and many of them in the return mail. Why didnt you agree to a debate two months ago Bill? Bill knows a debate is not possible now but just wants to infer that Angelo is afraid to Debate him. I really question that, given the fact that H.S. Bill sure didn't want to debate the PHD two months ago now he portrays himself as trying his best to make one happen "for the children" , I mean FOP Membership.
Bill knows the end is near and his desperation is showing. Leave office with some dignity Bill you have been a good guy, 15 years is a hell of a run but it is over, take a clue from Sid and go out with dignity.
I just received a mailing from Shitty Wide. These guys are experts in character assassination, half truths, and out right lies. Carlos Cortes, endorses Daugherty? Please. I just voted for Dean!
Dean Angelo is a very smart politician, according to all the blogs and conversations, Dean is clearly the front runner and doesn't have to debate Dougherty, why make a misstatement or have something taken out of context. Dean is clearly the right and proper man for the job, for all of you who won't vote for him and he loses, you my fellow officers have nobody to blame but yourselves..
If scam artist Carlos Cortez, former police chaplain for all of our officers of the Mormon faith, is endorsing Bill Dougherty then Angelo is certain to win...
They should have a dance contest.
Anonymous said...
Maybe McDonagh could be a part of the debate and explain why he went from saying that Angelo was making "deals with devil" by aligning himself with Shields to making his own "deal with the devil" with Angelo??????
3/18/2014 09:08:00 AM
Tom addressed our roll with Greg Bella and Angelo yesterday. Tom asked Bill and Dean the same questions: here is the Clean Slate response:
''We asked both candidates if they will make the necessary reforms that the members demand, if they will bring the people the members elected to the top spots into the FOP office to work? We asked for the union and Board meetings to be streamed so members can be involved in their union, we need for all members of the FOP Board of Directors to go to Districts and Units to meet with our members monthly, and we asked inclusion of all members who have been shut out of the FOP in previous administrations.
Tom McDonagh and myself asked nothing for ourselves and were not promised anything for us personally. We went back to the members of our team with the results and we feel that the only person who can repair the enormous damage that has been done and lead us out if this mess by listening to the membership is Dean Angelo. Tom McDonagh and the Clean Slate 7 team proudly endorse Dean Angelo for FOP president. ""
Bill if elected will ignore the membership vote and just bring up all of the losers from his ticket.
Anonymous said...
I was at the Fop meeting today. Dougherty did say that he challenged Angelo to a debate. Angelo was at the meeting today. He did not come to the microphone and say that he would debate Dougherty. But, he knows about the challenge. If he was going to debate you would have thought he would challenge Dougherty at the meeting.
3/18/2014 03:07:00 PM
Angelo asked for a debate months ago. Bill is falling behind every day. Think of it this way why would Bill Clinton debate Ralph Nader after the ballots went out.
PS I heard Billy had big problems in the 11th District. Anyone who was there could you comment.
Anonymous said...
Here is a yes/no question for Bill and Dean. Are you going to get rid of Donahue and his $75,000 a year salary?
3/18/2014 02:28:00 PM
If Angelo wins Fat Head's contract will not be renewed. If Billy finds away to seal the election the new board will never approve a contract extension.
As much as it pains me I don't want a retired guy as head of our fraternal organization (we're not a union) but don't want to see Bill restore voted out members back into office spots leaving elected guys out ??? Would like to see a debate also and let them both at each other and the best man wins.......
Maybe... Alfred E. Neuman can be the host?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Any retiree that votes for Dougherty is senile. But here would be my first four questions for Bill:
4 Why are retirees who call the lodge being told we don’t repesent you anymore?
3/18/2014 03:10:00 PM
You do know that the FOP does not now and never did represent retirees? Right? Do you know that? There is no place in the contract that deals with retirees. Retirees are not part of the bargaining unit any longer. As such, the FOP does not represent them. Who told you otherwise or where did you get the idea that the FOP represents retirees?
The representative of the retirees is the pension board. And the attorney, Clint Krislov.
Retirees are former employees, not employed by the City of Chicago, no official status. This is not to knock retirees, I am one myself, I had to learn this too.
The FOP has helped me and other retirees with certain things but that is as a courtesy, not by contract or bylaws. Our dues goes way down because basically all we now get from the FOP is the book, stickers and free pizza or sausage sandwiches once a month at meetings.
Wish it weren't so but it is. Not their fault. FOP tried to get a section dealing with retirees into the contract but that was a deal breaker with the City. No way would they even discuss it. Franczek stood up and told Mark he would walk out if FOP wanted to discuss it further. Won't happen.
We are no longer employed by the City. We have a relationship with the pension board, that is it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here is a yes/no question for Bill and Dean. Are you going to get rid of Donahue and his $75,000 a year salary?
3/18/2014 02:28:00 PM
Who then do we hire to be our lobbyist in Springfield? We had one before Donahue and will need one again after he is gone. How about Pat Camden, do you have a hard on for him too?
I only hope that the annual FOP picnic continues?
What's all this stuff about a lawsuit against Bella? Why did we not know? Heard there are charges on him now. So much for a Clean slate.
Anonymous said...
Dougherty was second in command and in my eyes, failed us by not gett our retro check letter in on time. Why in the WORLD, would anyone vote for this fool???
3/18/2014 09:54:00 AM
Why don't you ask the moron u voted for the first time.
Here is a yes/no question for Bill and Dean. Are you going to get rid of Donahue and his $75,000 a year salary?
3/18/2014 02:28:00 PM
If Dean is smart he will give the long overdue boot in the ass to Donohue
Anonymous said...
Correct me if I'm wrong {and I know you will}, But didn't Dean go on a small spending spree when he lost his office a few years back? $300 dinner on the FOP credit card, what will he do if he wins this time and looses in 3 years? Can we really afford to give him that chance? YES ON A DEBATE! The only person who wouldn't debate was Daley, and we all know why.
3/18/2014 04:26:00 A\\
Sorry your a bit wrong try about $2,000. he treats his friends right.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yeah, you're right. Citywide hasn't done anything.
Here's some of the things they got. Wage compression, top pay lowered by five years. 29 and out, lowered from 32 and a day. A new work schedule. Free health care at 55. No health care premium increases for actives for 7 years. Got pay raises in 2008, 2009, and 2010 when other police unions took zeroes or gave back raises.
You're right they really fucked us. We don't need that type of guy running our union.
3/18/2014 06:42:00 AM
You sir a moron! The wage compression cost us a raise. If it was so good why wouldn't they ask for it again. Why was there a difference in pay for those who already had 30 yrs and those who didn't? Under your way of thinking we could all go back to what a recruit makes and call it top pay and you would be happy. You are a joke!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This just reeks of desperation on Doughertys part.
He knows his days are numbered and wants to draw as big an audience as possible to lob some unsubstantiated claims against Dean Angelo.
If you want more of the same old, same old then vote this clown back in. But by voting for him you vote in all of his henchmen of several terms past which helped torpedo our organization to where it's at today. You see how little the Citywide Team has done for us over the past four terms. Do you really want another three years of them kissing the politicians asses while we are left begging for scraps? Check out their endorsements made by the political action committee for all you need to know.
CUT THE HEAD OFF THIS SNAKE ALREADY AND LET IT DIE. DOUGHERTY AND ANY INFLUENCE HE AND THE OTHER CITYWIDE LEFTOVERS MIGHT HAVE IN OUR UNION NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT TO PASTURE FOR GOOD.
DEAN ANGELO gets my vote, and he should get yours as well. Enjoy conducting your last FOP meeting at noon today Billyboy. We'll see you three years from now no doubt.
3/18/2014 01:35:00 AM
This does not sound of any desperation on Bill's part. But it does sound of fear on Dean's part. What is wrong with the member's being allowed to see what each of our future presidents have to offer. Why do you people always have to put spins on bullshit instead of looking at this from a professional point of view. I say let them debate.
Wage compression is a joke. All the compression did was give FOP members a salary increase that was masked behind the step increase. For that year FOP members received NO increase in salary other than the step increases. FOP traded the cola increase for the step increase!
Was in the academy with merk didnt want to join the union they had to force him he's an idiot.
Who then do we hire to be our lobbyist in Springfield? We had one before Donahue and will need one again after he is gone. How about Pat Camden, do you have a hard on for him too?
3/18/2014 08:50:00 PM
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FOP has a full time lobbyist in Springfield. Donahue was the secondary one. Can you tell have ever seen a lobbyist report from Mark on what he has gotten done. Shit he fucked so he doesn't even get the 3% cola.
Pat is paid by the hour.
Obamacare Bill is full of BS ! Wage compression by him and big head Mark?? No--all they did was knock off the 30 year raise!! And of course the city loved it!
Billy boy we all know you just want to keep the big money, but time to go to assist the fine citizens in 022!
But Dean old boy, while you get the chance to lead the FOP, better do a good job or your one term and out!!
Received both mailers from Dean and Bill today, along with the ballot. Read both then voted. Dougherty lied in his letter, stating he never said retirees should be put in Obama care. That was a lie, I read the article where he was interviewed by Kadner and said that very thing. Also, which is it Bill? You didn't know that shields failed to send the "letter"or that you guys told him and he refused. You told both stories over the last year. I voted for Dean
How about a spelling bee?
FUCK YOU BILL!
You lousy piece of shit, YOU call out Dean on some frivolous bullshit when in fact YOU could have sent the letter that Mickey didn't.
We all know you wanted Mike to fail, and fail big.
HOWEVER...
YOU could have saved the day by sending out the letter YOURSELF!
But you didn't. and your hate for Shields cost all of us. So FUCK YOU BILL!
Here's the link to the Dopughtery interview with the Southtown. The Obamacare comment is in paragraph 18.
Read it for yourselves.
http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/news/kadner/25424024-452/kadner-trying-to-restore-the-image-of-fop.html
What irks me the most is that Dougherty will bring in who he wants regardless of how the members voted.
If we voted Aguilar out, why brink him back?
We don't want him!
So basically, Dougherty is saying that he doesn't care how we voted.
Why have any vote then?
Sorry Bill, for just that reason Dean got my vote.
Anonymous said...
If scam artist Carlos Cortez, former police chaplain for all of our officers of the Mormon faith, is endorsing Bill Dougherty then Angelo is certain to win...
3/18/2014 08:11:00 PM
Ha! He wasn't always a Morman.
You know he only became a Morman to become a chaplain?
WHY am I getting emails to my personal email address from some FOP7 Blog?
Who the F are you?
And why are you sendng emails to my personal account?
Where did you get my personal email address?
The Angelo contention that Billy should have sent the letter is really disgusting. Mike said it was done at the February 2012 Board meeting. Why would anyone send a letter after president numnuts said it was done?
Dougherty was second in command and in my eyes, failed us by not gett our retro check letter in on time. Why in the WORLD, would anyone vote for this fool???
3/18/2014 09:54:00 AM
Why don't you ask the moron u voted for the first time
Maybe because it was Shields that failed to get the letter in,not him. That was the presidents responsibility and you dont go over him. Put the blame where it belongs
If you dont know who to vote for by now keep your vote on the kitchen table.
All these dreamers that want streaming video of debates.
Take your lazy asses to meeting!
Anonymous said...
What's all this stuff about a lawsuit against Bella? Why did we not know? Heard there are charges on him now. So much for a Clean slate.
Here's the story and one of the main reasons the "clean slate" ticket is baking Angelo:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-union-sues-burge-attorneys-over-fees-20120210,0,5975878.story
Very interesting that the Angelo people just continue to bash Dougherty by insulting everyone's intelligence with the letter BS. Does anyone still actually believe Dougherty had any influence over Shields let alone anything to do with not sending the letter? From my perspective and the guys I talk to, that horse is dead.
Talked to a couple officers this morning who voted for Angelo in the general election, but after hearing about his connection with Shields aren't voting for him in the run off. I'm still on the fence. I'd like to see a debate where these two could really hash out the issues.
It is a disgrace to hear some of the things people are saying about Dougherty on this blog. Makes me wonder if the posters are real police or not. He's always done real good by me and everyone I know. I think this negativity is turning people off from Angelo. My two cents.
I'm sorry for Bill and Mark. I have been in the FOP for 35 years and I voted for Mark Donahue for president 3 times. Bill is Marks protege and Mark you have failed all of us by letting Bill run wild here. He has ran the dirtiest campaign I have ever seen and I've seen them all. He is he'll bent on destroying anyone who gets in his way. Is this what the FOP is all about.? Bills campaign letter is full if hate, lies and more hate. Not one sentence about what he will do to repair the damage done to every officer, active and retired. Slam your opponent til he bleeds, that is what we do to criminals not each other. I guess your letter speaks volumes about the real person you are. Mark I am very disappointed in you for not mentoring Bill to be like you run a positive campaign on real issues. You both have let every member of the FOP down and I hope after this election I never hear your names again.
Dean won''t debate. We all lose when we don't get an exchange of ideas.
Your blog I understand but I think you are for Angelo and only allowing pro Angelo and anti Bill D comments......
I heard that Dean might accept the offer for 6pm on Saturday at FOP hall but want's the moderator changed from Brock Merck (who would ask touchy questions about finances, political relationships, and family.) The alternative choices are the 1.Secretary of the Plumbers Hall next door, 2.Alvin Isdad the representative on loan from Israel, or 3.Retired Sup Jody Weis. So sad.
I am a retired police officer who has a unique perspective on this election. I am one of the detectives who worked on the Anthony Porter Murder Investigation that Marty Phieb wrote about in the book Crooked City that was recently published. I retired with 31 years of service and I also was the first PO hired by the Independent Police Review Authority to Investigate Police Shootings. (If you have not read the book I was a homicide Investigator who was assigned to Area 1 Homicide for 8 yrs) Many people who commented on the Article and/or book review asked what did the FOP do for us detectives who were involved in that case. I would like to address that issue now. Let me first say that because this incident took place while I was a detective I received Legal Representation from the City of Chicago for the civil trail in WHICH WE WON AFTER THE JURY HEARD ALL OF THE EVIDENCE. I along with my partner are thankful of that representation. Shorty after the trail I was approached by the then Pres of FOP, Mark Donahue, who congratulated me on the WIN. I suggested to Mark who I had known due to me being a FOP rep from when I was a detective(A was promoted to Sgt and had to give up my reps job)that FOP start a campaign against the WrongFul Conviction Movement especially Northwestern University to bring to the publics attention on their questionable conduct in not only this incident but others incidents involving CPD detectives. I went
on to suggested that FOP call a news conference, high light the case, confront Northwestern University but also highlight the Politics surrounding the Cook County States Attorneys Office handling of the Grand Juries Investigation of this incident. Donahue responded with this:" Chuck I am up for reelection, I got a campaign to run, and besides the news media will not cover us. We call a news conference and nobody shows up. Chuck, be grateful that you won!" Now I have to admit, that I did not approach Bill Dougherty and make the same suggestions. However, wasn't Dougherty an Official of the FOP when this case went to trial? Could he or someone else in the FOP leadership publically fight for detectives who cases are being smeared in the media? No one from FOP called me or my partner to commit regarding this case and/or trail to publicize this victory. Now regarding Dean Angelo running for President. I do not know Dean Angelo. I know his father from the job and he was a very nice person. I meet Dean Angelo for the first time last fall at a Orland Park Law Enforcement Organization meeting. He came to the meeting a and made a campaign speech on how he was going to help and protect retiree's. After the meeting I went up to the table where he was sitting and introduced myself. I told him my background as a PO and Det and that I was the first retired CPO hired by IPRA. I then asked him what he was going to do about IPRA 's violating the contract between the City of Chicago and the FOP. He did not ask me who, what, and/or how this was occurring. He asked me for my phone number and email address and told me he would get back to me at a later date. This was last fall before Christmas. I AM STILL WAITING FOR THIS CALL OR EMAIL.
Let me say this, like I said at the beginning of this comment, a number of officers asked what the FOP did or did not do. Now you know, I will let you be the judge on their action. This election is of great importance to both the active and retirees of FOP. With Bruce Rauner winning the GOP nomination of governor and who might possibly win the governor's race with Quinn we might all be in a tough situation. Remember one thing: some day you will retire, you will be in the same position as I am and all other retiree's are in. Think about this in the upcoming vote for FOP President. In a way a feel sorry for all of you.
Respectfully
Ret Sgt of Police
Chas W Salvatore
Already voted for Angelo, the less evil.
Received all mailings and ballot. Dean Angelo Sr has my vote. Tore up the mailing from lying eyes Bill never even read it. Waste of our FOP dues money sending that out Billy Boy! You are a useless, self serving POS! Worse than Donahue which by the way needs to be removed as Trustee. He will bury Dean like he did Mike!
And not one word about Lil Mikey, who you voted for, and his arrogant attitude that has brought this union to its knees. Not one word of the actual immature imbecile who you all voted for. Blame Bill. Its the easiest way to make you all feel better. You guys are a riot for laughs.
Get ready with a new medical abusing ex-PO who has an additional 13-retirees on the board. You will all be crying.
What's all this stuff about a lawsuit against Bella? Why did we not know? Heard there are charges on him now. So much for a Clean slate.
Ask Donahue, He's on it also. The lawsuit is frivolous.
Quit trying to throw shit on this election.
Anonymous said...
Here's the link to the Dopughtery interview with the Southtown. The Obamacare comment is in paragraph 18.
Read it for yourselves.
http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/news/kadner/25424024-452/kadner-trying-to-restore-the-image-of-fop.html
Umm . . . Not sure what you were smoking when you read this article but that's not what it says. However, for a real good time, give this a read:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-union-sues-burge-attorneys-over-fees-20120210,0,5975878.story
Anonymous Anonymous said...
WHY am I getting emails to my personal email address from some FOP7 Blog?
Who the F are you?
And why are you sendng emails to my personal account?
Where did you get my personal email address?
3/19/2014 05:24:00 AM
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Rich Ag-u-liar.
southtown star kander article
Link to article of Dougherty interview.
Anonymous said...
What's all this stuff about a lawsuit against Bella? Why did we not know? Heard there are charges on him now. So much for a Clean slate.
Ask Donahue, He's on it also. The lawsuit is frivolous.
Quit trying to throw shit on this election.
First of all this election is a shit show of epic proportions in case you've been living under a rock for the last six months.
Second of all, Donahue is not involved in the lawsuit. Read the article. Pretty scaring for all of us that dismissing this lawsuit might have been part of the "devil's deal" that got McDonagh to back Angelo.
Check it out: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-union-sues-burge-attorneys-over-fees-20120210,0,5975878.story
Anonymous said...
Your blog I understand but I think you are for Angelo and only allowing pro Angelo and anti Bill D comments......
Here, here. I agree. While it is your right to post what you like, it might be in the best interests of all members if you opened the flood gates on election issues (they can't get anymore derogatory than a lot of the stuff the same gang is saying about Daugherty).
Hey CPD brothers and sisters-
Pardon me SCC for one minute. Since I do not have access to the FOP email list yet, I wanted to take a minute to thank all of you for electing me as Financial Secretary for the FOP. Its an absolute honor to represent all of you hard working folks out there. As the only District person who will be a member of the Executive Board, I feel a huge responsibility to ensure the interests of my fellow members working the street will be met. For starters, I wanted to share this bit of info with you. If we get enough guys, who is up for some drinks and food at FOP before a few of these games with the proceeds going to various officers families who have given the ultimate sacrifice?
WHITE SOX HONOR CHICAGO’S BRAVEST AND FINEST
March 19, 2014 at 4:43pm
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Wednesday, March 19, 2014
Team Will Offer Complimentary Tickets to Select GamesTo All Members of the Chicago Fire and Chicago Police Departments
CHICAGO – The Chicago White Sox are honoring members of the Chicago Fire Department and Chicago Police Department for their bravery and service by offering each member two complimentary tickets to one of 15 games at U.S. Cellular Field this season. This is the third consecutive year the team has provided tickets to police officers and the second the offer has been extended to Chicago firefighters. Since the program’s inception, the White Sox have provided department members over 40,000 game tickets.
Members of the Chicago Fire and Police Departments can redeem the two tickets starting Monday, March 24, at the U.S. Cellular Field Ticket Office (Monday-Friday 10 a.m.-5 p.m. or Saturday-Sunday 10 a.m.-4 p.m. on non-game days). Firefighters and officers will be required to show their department identification and badge, in order to claim the tickets. The deadline to redeem is Friday, May 2.
The 15 White Sox games available include: April 2, 3, 10, 11, 26 and 30; May 9, 10, 27 and 30; June 9, 11, 17 and 30; and July 2 – game dates subject to availability.
“On behalf of the City of Chicago, I want to thank the extraordinary men and women of the Police and Fire Departments for their commitment to serve Chicago and its residents,” said Mayor Rahm Emanuel. “I also wish to commend the White Sox organization for once again showing their generosity with these tickets and for their recognition of the brave men and women who proudly serve our great city.”
“It truly is an honor for the White Sox to pay tribute to the extraordinary men and women of the Police and Fire departments,” said White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. “This is a small gesture of gratitude for the everyday heroes who proudly serve the great city of Chicago.”
Thanks,
Kevin Kilmer
Anonymous said...
If you dont know who to vote for by now keep your vote on the kitchen table.
All these dreamers that want streaming video of debates.
Take your lazy asses to meeting!
3/19/2014 08:17:00 AM
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I see nothing wrong with streaming the meetings to a secure website that one needs to logon with a secure password.
There are lots of young guys and girls on this job that work side jobs and are raising families who cannot find the time to attend meetings. Why not make these things or parts of them available to all.
I'd like to see Dougherty and Angelo thumb wrestle..
Now that would be entertaining... You goofs who think any thing will change at FOP are nuts!
Anonymous said...
No need for a debate in my book, I am voting for ANGELO. If he doesn't get elected you guys are no better than the sheeple of Chicago. Remember when all the aldermen rubber stamped the meter deal for mayor Daley, they all should of not been re elected. You think they would of been grateful and say never again will i rubber stamp a proposal of the mayor. So how did they repay the citizens who voted for them? They rubber stamped the red light camera legislation. If you guys re elect Dougherty you are sheeple! He helped us lose our retro, what else will he cost us if voted back into office?
3/18/2014 10:20:00 AM
Mike Shields and only Mike Shields lost the Retro. He admitted it and stated it was his responsibility and only his responsibility yet all you Angelo supporters found him not guilty of sending the letter and lying to the board, field reps and membership. Go away with your bullshit misinformation!!!!
The smae Dean that took the members for a $1300.00 ride on the FOP credit card at Hooters for his last fucking of the members after he lost the election in 2001. The same Dean that is on 75% disability, can work full time, go to over 66 roll calls but can't qualify and walk under his own power. Seeing him standing next to Mike Lappe makes me sick. Mike Lappe should be on 75% disability and Dean should be working full duty like Mike is. If you can't see the word scammer next to this picture you're not the police and never will be. So this is what the Angelo supporters are all about??? You must long for the dark days when your union dues were awarded to attorneys like they were the boards personal bank account. 2 years after Dougherty was elected our building was paid off due to the fact that they saved over $750,000.00 per year by getting rid of outside attorneys and now you want to bring them back at over 1 million a year??? The again all the Angelo supporters supported Shields so it doesn't surprise me one bit.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Word on the street is that at today's FOP general meeting somebody spoke up to ask if it was really Dougherty that proposed the debate on this blog.
Apparently, Dougherty stood up and said it was and said he was ready to debate.
Angelo was also there but refused to comment.
Anybody else hearing the same thing????
3/18/2014 01:58:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Heard that at today's general meeting when Dougherty was asked if he'd really be willing to do this FOP presidential run-off debate, Dougherty said he was ready.
Heard that Angelo wouldn't commit.
Sounds like he might be worried that some of the rumors about him and Shields might get brought up. Sounds like he'd rather hide behind his people that are doing all the shit talking on this blog rather than address his audience.
Maybe that's because the rank and file aren't his real audience? Gotta wonder. . .
3/18/2014 02:04:00 PM
Hey dummy, if you don't use the same type of verbage so quickly in 2 posts we MIGHT believe you aren't Bill or one of his boys. Nah, we'd still see thru it, better luck next time with your mild attempt at brainwashing.
Vote for DA, it's our only hope at breaking this evil cycle.
3/18/2014 07:46:00 PM
Dean Angelo, a trustee in 2001 was voted out of office with his entire ticket of incumbents. Now you want to put him back into our highest office after agreeing with the city to attach a percentage to our gross pay for healthcare??????
How fucking intelligent you are?? A leopard doesn't change his spots just learns after 13 years how to camouflage himself. Unfrocking believable!!!
Bella and Frank Saenz apprehended a serial killer in 025 back in 1992. These two guys fought for their lives and miraculously survived. The are alive because the survival instinct kicked in. I know since the incident these two guys were like brothers. The offender got four life sentences and hundreds of years for the attempt murder of the two officers. Aguilar you should be ashamed for bashing your father in laws partner. You and Dougherty are scum.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I heard that Dean might accept the offer for 6pm on Saturday at FOP hall but want's the moderator changed from Brock Merck (who would ask touchy questions about finances, political relationships, and family.) The alternative choices are the 1.Secretary of the Plumbers Hall next door, 2.Alvin Isdad the representative on loan from Israel, or 3.Retired Sup Jody Weis. So sad.
3/19/2014 12:03:00 PM
I would like WWE's BROCK LESNAR! along with his manger Paul Heyman as the moderators. Thank you.
Hey Bill thanks for the letter on bashing the Angelo team. Now where's the letter informing me why I should vote for you?
I was at the meeting. Bill addressed the debate idea by saying that he would TALK TO DEAN ABOUT IT AFTER THE MEETING. At that point, there's no response needed, is there. So all those buffoons who said that Dean froze are either liars or weren't there.
Why weren't we told during the election that Greg Bella was up on charges?
Don't believe Billy.
Don't believe Dean.
Just read the responses that Tom McDonagh got form the both of them.
That's why Clean Slate is out doing roll calls with the Angelo.
Billy said to Tom he will NOT bring anyone into the office who were elected.
So Bill was so cocky he felt it was ok to give us all the finger.
Please don't vote for a guy who says Obama Care may wind up a a option for us.
Anonymous said...
What's all this stuff about a lawsuit against Bella? Why did we not know? Heard there are charges on him now. So much for a Clean slate.
3/19/2014 02:35:00 PM
You are about 3 years behind the times. It was filed in 2011.
Anonymous said...
What's all this stuff about a lawsuit against Bella? Why did we not know? Heard there are charges on him now. So much for a Clean slate.
Check it out: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-union-sues-burge-attorneys-over-fees-20120210,0,5975878.story
3/19/2014 04:33:00 PM
Did you look at the date on this story? 2012, the lawsuit is around 3 years old. You just now find it and cry, "Eureka!"
I have been a Police Officer then Detective for over 30yrs. And when I read your comments I am embarrassed. No one actually gives a care about any facts. Bill D was part of the Shields Team but Dean A was part of the Nolan Team so there is no new regime!!!!!! One side says don’t vote for Bill because of Obamacare and one side says don’t vote for Dean because he is a Medical Roll abuser. How about actually asking each candidate what they believe in and an actual DEBATE in front of the membership and not listen to propaganda each side puts out. There is NO EXCUSE not to have a debate we don’t care if you asked 6 months or 6 hours ago. Stop listening to theses SPIN DOCTORS. These times are much too important to get played by politicians. It’s about our pensions and our salaries, our families and our lives. Would you please stop letting the state and city politicians (and don’t be naive and think they are not involved) do exactly what they are doing DIVIDING and CONQUERING US!!!!!!
JUST SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why weren't we told during the election that Greg Bella was up on charges?
3/19/2014 10:03:00 PM
Go back to sleep. Set your alarm.
What's all this stuff about a lawsuit against Bella? Why did we not know? Heard there are charges on him now. So much for a Clean slate
We knew, its you who didn't know.
Get more involved and you would have known.
Billy realizes that he is in trouble . That the only reason he wants a debate . He changes his story constantly to fit the group he is addressing . Billy " the truth needs little rehearsing." U now want the active members to save you when for years all u did was to cater to the retirees . When u should have got involved u did not and vice -versa . We all need to realize that if bill wins all of his old tired regime and ideas are coming back in the office . Haven't we trusted him once too often ?????
Bill, I like U, but I have 13 years on this miserable job. U've been in FOP 7 as long as that. The problem w/U and a lot of U'r boys is Ur disconnected from those of us who comprise the backbone of this of this company.
U guys don't know how a PO works anymore. To me all this mail propaganda is nothing less then a vote for U and U'r peeps to keep their jelly jobs.
I don't think any1 over there is worthy of such hulking responsibility.
Again, Bill, I like U as a person, but Xs up for U to take the helm
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