"Merit" Lists to be Released
This comment popped up the other day. We figured it was once again, someone trying to get some traction on a rumor and ruffle some feathers:
- No joke: The superintendent has decided the list of merit promotions for the past 6 years are not private. They are being released to numerous news media who have been requesting them from him and will be made public this week. I bet their will be plenty of stories for the Suntimes on that list.
Guess what? It isn't a joke.
From what we can gather among our sources, a lawsuit or lawsuits have compelled the Department in general and Tracy Ladner in particular to produce the so-called "merit" lists, possibly dating all the way back to the beginning of the "merit" process - the early 1990's.
This is going to lead to a lot of fun. We have no idea if the sponsors of the "meri-clout-orious" will be revealed, but for starters....
From what we can gather among our sources, a lawsuit or lawsuits have compelled the Department in general and Tracy Ladner in particular to produce the so-called "merit" lists, possibly dating all the way back to the beginning of the "merit" process - the early 1990's.
This is going to lead to a lot of fun. We have no idea if the sponsors of the "meri-clout-orious" will be revealed, but for starters....
- everyone who denied ever being "merit";
- multiple bites at the "merit" apple
We can start an entertaining game of "What Merit Picks are on the Merit Board!" and maybe, just maybe, the genetic makeup of what makes a "merit" pick can be isolated and reproduced, leading to a race of Sooper-Cops.
Labels: promotions, scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
218 Comments:
If you earned the promotion you should not be ashamed to have your name on that list.
Merit picks have been available for D-2 and Detective (20%) for a long time but the first merit picks (not to be confused with clouted people who mysteriously did well on tests or affirmative action promotions ordered by Judge Prentiss Marshall) for Sgt and Lt didn't start until 1998.
I can say with near certainty that the old 013th Dist. had the fewest number of merit promotee's in the city. 013 had some of the sharpest white, hispanic and female bosses. By contrast you will find the D units are lousy with supervisors who spell shit with two "T"s.
Again like I have said in the past, this is why crime is so out of control, you have MERIT CLOWNS that were never the police had no idea what being a working copper was like leading this department, how and wtf do they know about clearing corners, arresting people, search warrants going to court, etc.... That is one main reason why this department is spiraling out of control. MERIT
The "Hack List" arrived?
And for those of us who got it legit and throughout our careers heard we 'couldn't have' gotten that score, or moved up that much from part one to part two, VINDICATION. Thank you.
If any city could use super cops, it's Chicago. Bake an extra dozen.
We should do squares or bingo with names
THIS has made my day! I cannot wait to see that list. As with many of you, I know and you know, who the merit hacks are.
I would be more curios to see the list of the "inside people" who were given the test before, or who were given the orders on the test.
I am SO sick of the "he/she made it off the list" BS that some of these goofs spout.
Yes, they made it off the list, the short list that had 6 or 7 orders on it; the same 6 or 7 orders that were on the test.
Out the clout!
I want to get this out now before the list is released..I am merit wagon on midnites in 003! ngfu
What will they do at Homan Square to the one boss that is not a merit hack? Promote him...?
Merit for sgts started after 1997.
Can't wait to see what I have suspected all along. That my loud mouth Sgt. Who swears that he scored high on the test is actually a merit pick. That should shut him up.
GOTCHOAZZ MUTHAFUCKAHS!
"Pin The Tail on the Clout" is going to be the most fun we had on this job in more than 20 years!
"Merit Lists to be Released" is going to be a virtual road map laying out the fuckery that has destroyed this department.
Hopefully the sponsors behind the sponsors will be outed as well.
If this is really true , this would be FANTASTIC! All those that said they studied so hard, and had no phone calls, I would love it for their lies to be finally exposed. Hey, if you are merit, be proud and admit it. Don't pretend you little games of deceit that you actually earned it. Ha Ha Ha
Will it change them being promoted?? No so who cares. They are still promoted and we are not. This is good so you can talk behind a white shirts back or write on a blog how they made merit??? Doesn't impress me, if the said they are giving the merit spot back to a person on the list then that's something to get excited about.. Otherwise it's a gossip list that will accomplish nothing at all..
Hmmm, I wonder if sgt CS of 007 will be on there... You know, the guy who did a search warrant on cuellos daughters apt in 008 and was made sgt shortly after the not guilty verdict... To be fair though, he was a great copper, hard worker and is a good sgt.. What's interesting though is the rumor true that cuello had him made.. If so another hit for her.. Either way though, CS does deserve to have a white shirt
If this is for real, it's about time!! I studied my ass off, only to get knocked back 30+ spots because of this bullshit...and some of these jokers are double merit promotees!!!!!
I don't believe it. Jagoff Jody Wiess named the merit babies and jag off New York stopped it. He said the troops didn't respect the merit clowns. What a revelation.
Oh please for the love of God let this be true! Then maybe somebody on that list can define what it takes to be merit and what great accomplishment they did to deserve that or those multiple merit spots!
Good thing this thread is gonna bring out all the "hate that guy, I took the test too, should have been me, but since it isn't me, I'm gonna rant and rave how that guys a dog and doesn't deserve it, but if it would have been me it's because I'm a worker". Can't wait for those comments.
"This is going to lead to a lot of fun. We have no idea if the sponsors of the "meri-clout-orious" will be revealed,..."
Sponsors outed or not (probably AIN'T gonna happen), this promises to be better than Ancestry.com.
The CPD Clout Tree, limbs and branches labeled with names and organizations like Daley, HDO, Solis, Devine, 19th Ward, Gainer, Kennedy, Cline, Georgas, Stroger, NOBLE, Pritzker and Goldstein - to name just a scant few that immediately come to mind - will be illustrated as fully bloomed with cash-filled envelopes and knee pads.
I'll believe this when the list is published and made available for viewing. Even then, you can bet your ass that a handful of the "extra special" prodigies who haven't peaked in their meteoric ascensions will be omitted from the list.
In the early 90's 3rd dist. Commander Lorenzo Chew meritorusly promoted two black police officers, one male and one female. One was Chews neighbor. Both of them had no more than two years on the job, The male officer has been a very high ranking officer for quite sometime and deservedly so. The promotions were for the rank of detective.There were many white and black officers with a lot of time on the job who were highly qualifed and busted their ass for Chew.Too bad they weren't Chews neighbor!
Can't Be. When Hilliard was asked at an open meeting [@ 025 in his early months of his Sup-dom], Why can't merit promotions be limited to only 1 in someones career? His answer was "There is no way to track that. So 'This List' you speak of CAN'T be real, or maybe he lie. . . No, No, Can't be real.
Is there a Sgt Class being posted this week? Rumor has it a Class of 40 in March.
Anonymous said...
I can say with near certainty that the old 013th Dist. had the fewest number of merit promotee's in the city. 013 had some of the sharpest white, hispanic and female bosses. By contrast you will find the D units are lousy with supervisors who spell shit with two "T"s.
3/12/2014 12:19:00 AM
You mean there isn't two "T"'s in shitt?
If the leader of our department can be selected because of his outstanding work accomplished outside of our department then that is the ultimate meritorious position appointed ( lights out ). He should be at the top of the list ...
If true this would be great bringing back some honor and honesty to this dept, hope they release it soon. " let the sunshine in"
OT: Shields had his hearing with the State FOP where part of his defense was that one of the accussors wife left for another woman. When is this child going to be psyched? He is a danger to citizens and officers alike. and maybe a danger to himself and his "livelyhood" as he says.
Unearned promotions = Billy Dougherty!
John Dineen should install all newly elected officers right now so that Casciano can be acting president until the run off.
"meri-clout-orious" list.
no-no don't you mean notorious list. the notorious b.i.g list
or perhaps notorious clout-orious.
there should be like an evening gown, swimsuit, and shooting out street lights scoring competition to make the list.
maybe a talent portion could include who can twirl there weapon around and fan the hammer of their revolver the fastest -- in an roy rogers / annie oakley fashion.
Civilian here.
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. Remember, this is the City that the Daleys built. It may not be so easy to follow the Yellow Brick Road back to their sponsors. Let's wait and see, shall we?
"There were many white and black officers with a lot of time on the job who were highly qualified and busted their ass for Chew. Too bad they weren't Chews neighbor"!
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Or BIF's kids coach!
Hey you idiots, I'm not merit, but I did stay in a HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS last night...
but when will we learn the names of those who studied with the help of "subject matter experts" ...(or whatever they were called back in the day when Mauer's review of the test content helped propel Georgas and Kennedy to the top of the rank order list)
What does it matter? They'll still be Sgts and you'll just frustrate yourself more.
How about the other group? The group that's guided in the right direction. Study this. Use these words etc.....
In the end there are great test takers; " who made it legit ", who suck as leaders and merit people who are great leaders. There is also the reverse.
This doesn't mean shit as you people think it does.
If a lawsuit is why this is being produced, then it will be given to the attorneys for use in their suit.
Nothing's been said about it being publicly circulated, and even if it were, it still doesn't mean shit.
Who cares whether or not we all know who every clout hack is? It's not going to change a fucking thing and it's not going to stop them from continuing the practice.
So who the fuck cares, it's not gonna change a fucking thing.
There's a certain female boss in gangs north who almost breaks her arm patting herself on the back telling anyone who'll listen how she was number one on the test at any chance she can. I'd LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see her on that list. It won't shut her up because God knows nothing can keep that trap shut but it would be funny at the very least.
IN 1988 I was called to get promoted to sgt. The chief of patrol GER- sent us home because there were not enough of one persuasion or another. We were then promoted because people were somehow added.
In 1995 there was the arthur anderson test results. I was in the first class of Lts. Once again, not enough of whatever. 13 sergeants walked into the class and started with us. This is when the city started calling it "merit" promotions
Anonymous said...
If you earned the promotion you should not be ashamed to have your name on that list.
3/12/2014 12:14:00 AM
Yes, true enough, but most think that number is small, very small and does not justify multiple merit promotions. The fact of the matter is there are no standards that have ever been published to merit promotions and people have been proposed for merit by someone who they have never worked for. It is a system ripe for abuse and has been abused.
I remember Lorenzo Chew's brother, Charleston. Nice guy.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I love the ones who say that they "deserved" it.
Okay......
How???????
Being shot accidentally by your partner during a search warrant?
Clearing a homicide?
Organizing paperwork?
The big question is, why does the department allow the merit picks to go right to cushy spots?
Caps Sgt?
Tac Sgt?
HQ?
OCD?
I guess it is a good thing that they leave the real supervisors on the street to handle the serious stuff
Now go choke on those unearned stripes
Merit Pukes
Anonymous said...
In the early 90's 3rd dist. Commander Lorenzo Chew meritorusly promoted two black police officers, one male and one female. One was Chews neighbor. Both of them had no more than two years on the job, The male officer has been a very high ranking officer for quite sometime and deservedly so. The promotions were for the rank of detective.There were many white and black officers with a lot of time on the job who were highly qualifed and busted their ass for Chew.Too bad they weren't Chews neighbor!
3/12/2014 03:33:00 AM
Your facts do not add up. The merit process did not exist until 1998.
A think a few bosses may become a little sick to there stomach reading this!!
Anyone promoted on "Merit" without a Lambert Tree or Medal of Valor is a Political Boot Lick! So does that mean a paper test can determine leadership and qualification to be promoted? Just Asking.
"... affirmative action promotions ordered by Judge Prentiss Marshall) for Sgt and Lt didn't start until 1998."
Judge Prentiss Marshall's first Sgt class with affirmative action was May 1984.
Lt. M.M of 005th is a merit hack her daddy was in Sgt's union got her in she has never used a handcuff or worked a beat car.
I'll confess now too. I'm not on that list, I'm still a blue shirt with 23 years on, still in patrol. I knew a guy who knew a guy. I'm just saying. I feel better now.
Don't believe what you read if the list comes out. A few years back they listed the sponsors and most were straw sponsors. They were told who to submit. Do you really believe that a commander will be able to promote someone before say a chief or deputy supt. Its all a game. Didnt a previous supt transfer a guy out of his office to a unit and a few months later the po was merit. That was because the supt office doesnt officially get a merit pick.
Out the bad "test takers." Many are double and triple merit hacks. ( det, sgt, lt.)
Who Cares. From an Officer who passed the test.
Mark Donahue has submitted Bill Dougherty as his merit pick for FOP president. Vote responsibly my friends.
i am adding to the comment made about C.S., sgt in 007. he is a great sgt and in my opinion would be very deserving of his merit promotion if he is in fact a merit sgt. he is a squared away guy and i didnt know him while he was a blue shirt but had the pleasure of knowing him as a sgt. i feel he would be a good example of a deserving merit sgt and not those idiotic cowards who never did police work but instead knew the right boss to get promoted.
Can't wait to see what I have suspected all along. That my loud mouth Sgt. Who swears that he scored high on the test is actually a merit pick. That should shut him up.
And if he did score well, are you going to apologize to him ? Let it be known and put your name on the blog. No, of course not, so shut up.
If the idiots soon to be outed had any character at all they would drop PAR forms and flee. Of coure anyone with any charade wouldn't steal a promotion Tom someone who earned it by scoring higher! That being said I don't need a list to determine who stole a promotion. I can listen to someone speak for thirty seconds and tell that much. Now we can assign culpability for the departments failings more easily! End the merit promotion/ affirmative action scheme now!
So when is the list coming out?
I want to see if Lt. A.S., currently of 024, is on it. Maybe this might extend her medical time just a bit.
It should go back further than 6 years. Why not expose the multiple merits? Exposé since this shit started. You'll see some high ranking personnel who don't know how to pass a test.
To: 3/12/2014 12:56:00 AM
If the Sgt is as good as you say, why write shit about him? As a previous poster said, this is just more fodder for the gossiping biddies on this blog.
I did not vote for either of the two candidates that are now in the FOP runoff. This is going to be a choice of the less of two evils. I don't care how Deans kid or his friends vote. I don't care anymore whether Bill was involved with our losing the retro. We are beyond that. What I am hearing us Angelo is going to cut salaries, make our elected guys come out and talk to US. He is going to hire real labor attorneys to represent us in grievances and the contract process. Angelo is actually going to let the people we elected work in the office even though they did not run with him. All I hear from Bill is his constant attack on Angelo. Bill I get it but you never told us what you are going to do to right this sinking ship. You have never in the regular election or now in the runoff told us your plan. When you tell us that Angelo is going to bring Mike Shields back you insult our intelligence. The choice is simple.
(OT) this IP address thing is crazy, so crazy guy in my unit who ran for position and lost is trying to get Tom McDonough to write a letter asking about who posted anything about his slate on SCC, naming coppers lol and then he brags he is doing this. This guy should really do his own dirty work not drag a great guy like Tom into anything. "Pure Evil" guy you lost plain and simple.
Even then, you can bet your ass that a handful of the "extra special" prodigies who haven't peaked in their meteoric ascensions will be omitted from the list.
3/12/2014 02:15:00 AM
I thought the same thing.
Anonymous said...
If you earned the promotion you should not be ashamed to have your name on that list.
3/12/2014 12:14:00 AM
Key word there is "earned".
I'm sure the sponsors of the hacks all thought those hacks "earned" their promotions too.
I don't doubt there are some on that list who really deserved it, but I'll bet the overwhelming majority did not.
Forget merit, I want a list of who cheated getting the answers
This is likely to be linked to the area north cluster fuck. Many of the named bosses were promoted how? Meritoriously. There are many other embarssing incidents that will come to light.
Hope what else comes to light is how many people did well on previous tests yet got passed over because of many merit fuckups.
Let me clarify myself. There are plenty of people who received a merit promotion that is well deserved. Plenty that were not and many who recieved more then one bite.
Merit could work if they have clearly defined standards. Heaven forbid though. The military manages to accomplish this why cant CPD???
OT but very important.
A few of the officers who were recently elected to FOP positions were told by Bill Dougherty that they are never going to see the inside of the office. He flat out said that 1st VP and Financial secetary would not be allowed in and Rich Agular will remain. Keven Graham who lost will be put into the 1st VP spot.
Has this guy lost it? Also said Paul "honey let me look up your skirt" Giger will stay on. Nothing like keeping sexual lawsuits active!
Like him or not, Dean Angelo needs to get elected so perhaps there will be an end to the absolute bullshit that goes on in the FOP haven.
If you disagree with this comment, ask around. But please vote. It's your duty as a 9161.
Thank You
Dont kid yourself.....passing a test doesn't make you supremely qualified to be a supervisor....some of the best bosses are merit.....firmly believe in the "one bite from the apple" approach though.....
It should be made public , so young ppo's will know what it takes to receive a merit promotion
Wait until it shows how political correctness is used in the selection with people of color.
Most xo , captain exempt command staff received a merit promotion along the way.
Pension reform should include basing pension on last rank without a merit promotion and last 10 year average salary.
Cant wait to see the look on assholes face when this list gets posted. At first he kept his mouth shut about being made a detective through his clout then as the years passed jagoff had the balls to go around bragging to people that he scored high on the test. What a fucking dildo!
Will this happen for CFD as well?
Excellent idea. we all know its someone's son -daughter - kiss ass or family member or close friend . It's never legit .
I bet we as working cops can name the names long before a list comes out.
..."I can say with near certainty that the old 013th Dist. had the fewest number of merit promotee's in the city. 013 had some of the sharpest white, hispanic and female bosses."...
They also had their share of completely worthless District Commanders.
NC
Hmmm, I wonder if sgt CS of 007 will be on there... You know, the guy who did a search warrant on cuellos daughters apt in 008 and was made sgt shortly after the not guilty verdict... To be fair though, he was a great copper, hard worker and is a good sgt.. What's interesting though is the rumor true that cuello had him made.. If so another hit for her.. Either way though, CS does deserve to have a white shirt
He was and was promoted under Weis when they named the merit picks. Those guys weren't ashamed to accept the promotion knowing they were to be outed, as they should be. If your afraid to put yourself out there, you shouldn't accept it.
If you are happy with the last twelve years vote for Dougherty because nothing is going to change.
We are halfway home. We pretty much voted all names on the FOP book out except for one. Vote out Billy Boy and we have sent a message to the next administration. Do us right or you will be gone.
Last week on Fox in the morning, McCarthy stated in an interview that he has created a "meritocracy" on the Chicago Police Department. He was very proud of himself
I am not very concerned about which officers made det or sgt via merit. I am concerned with the politics of the sponsors.
There are people who deserve a merit promotion. There are people who had the test questions and scored well (which I find repulsive).
While the list will expose some of the hacks, I think it's of greater import to point out the political hack sponsors, who promoted some of the truly incompetent det's and sgt's.
I can't fault a guy for taking a promotion when it is offered. I can (and will continue to) fault a "senior" supervisor who thought putting that putting incompetent officers in charge of watching over other officers was good for the department (and the rest of us officers).
Good thing this thread is gonna bring out all the "hate that guy, I took the test too, should have been me, but since it isn't me, I'm gonna rant and rave how that guys a dog and doesn't deserve it, but if it would have been me it's because I'm a worker". Can't wait for those comments.
3/12/2014 02:12:00 AM
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Haha, I agree. It's funny how the dogs who don't do work, are bitter and jaded get so upset about merit. All of a sudden they deserve it and others don't. And god forbid if somebody younger or with less time on gets a merit spot over them making it. If your a complaining dog who barely does anything AND didn't score good enough to make it anyways then why are u mad? Not because you care.. It's because your jealous. Many think just because they have time on the job then they are entitled to everything.. Now I admit if you have time on and are still a worker then you 100 percent are owed a spot.. Having 15, 20 or 25 years on and you still lock people up and play the game then yes you should be merit.. But if you are on a beat car or hiding behind the desk and complain, dodge jobs, don't lock people up and write your 5 Parker's a month for vri then gfy... You deserve nothing. Way too many guys on this job who do nothing but feel they are owed everything because they have time on.. Beatoff dogs
Now I am just a P.O. and I don't really see much hope in getting promoted on this job sadly enough, that being said I don't automatically fault merit promotions. Yes, like most everything on this department the system is broken and flawed, however it is another avenue for people to get promoted. Don't get me wrong I am not naive to believe that most of the merit picks are great or legit, but what does the testing process really prove?? I took that last test as did a few thousand other people, many of whom have no business being on this job better yet supervise it. However many whom are probably house mice with plenty of study time and "guidance" will likely score better and be promoted. Both systems merit or testing provide the good, bad, and ugly. There is no way around it in the EEO world.
Is this why the new set. Class was put on hold? Last minute cya.
SCC: OT: Details on the 3rd annual hockey game this Sat 6:30 PM at the Edge Ice Arena in Bensenville? CPD vs FBI. All proceeds to Honor Flight Chicago for retired vets. Blackhawks one of the major sponsors. Tix $20 at the door or pre-game at honor flight web site. Great family fun event.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking there is a lawsuit brewing for being denied equal opportunity for promotion due to a flawed merit system, which has been a complaint for years.
It has been said many times on this site, that the merit system is corrupt and political, a "who ya know" system, it seems we may finally find out if that is true.
Speculation is that there will be patterns of triple merit, sons, daughters, significant others of current and former bosses and or politicians, secret study groups with statistically improbable results, entire tact teams of bosses again with statistically improbable results, ties to politico's, etc.
It will be really interesting to see how many of the individuals were arrogant enough to only take part one since they were assured their subsequent promotion was in the bag.
While I do not begrudge anyone who rightfully earned their promotion, the rank an file has complained for years that the current merit system is unfair to almost everyone except the connected.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out although realistically they would have to release the entire history of merit, not just the last six years. You have to be able to trace everyone back to where it all started for it to be legitimate.
OT:
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Although these incidents involve Glock pistols, it could happen with any similar weapon, however, most if not all Glocks we carry have a relatively light trigger pull, 5.5 pounds.
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Watch the video
As they say on Shark Tank .....with this list coming out and the spiraling affect it may have on comraderie,those entitled and those not,for this reason...... I'm out ! retired and signing off!
I've seen a lot of handjobs come off of the lists, so they aren't necessarily any more qualified. A leader is a leader, a house mouse is a house mouse. There needs to be a better way to promote other than tests and who my drinking buddy's kid is. To the guy who thinks that the sharpest bosses came out of 013, explain Nigro.
If the list of merit promotees is not private, neither is the list of those that recommended them. Why do half a job ?
In the early 90's 3rd dist. Commander Lorenzo Chew meritorusly promoted two black police officers, one male and one female.
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That CHEW hack is still working as a supervisor with the Park District Security.
"Both of them had no more than two years on the job, The male officer has been a very high ranking officer for quite sometime and deservedly so."
Care to clarify your contradiction or are you Chews Neighbor in question?
"Good thing this thread is gonna bring out all the "hate that guy, I took the test too, should have been me, but since it isn't me, I'm gonna rant and rave how that guys a dog and doesn't deserve it, but if it would have been me it's because I'm a worker". Can't wait for those comments.
3/12/2014 02:12:00 AM"
Signed the white shirt merit moron incompetent fraud.
"Will it change them being promoted?? No so who cares. They are still promoted and we are not. This is good so you can talk behind a white shirts back or write on a blog how they made merit??? Doesn't impress me, if the said they are giving the merit spot back to a person on the list then that's something to get excited about.. Otherwise it's a gossip list that will accomplish nothing at all..
3/12/2014 12:52:00 AM"
It's called transparency Penis w/ears, apparently that's a remote concept for you.
Will it change them being promoted?? No so who cares. They are still promoted and we are not. This is good so you can talk behind a white shirts back or write on a blog how they made merit??? Doesn't impress me, if the said they are giving the merit spot back to a person on the list then that's something to get excited about.. Otherwise it's a gossip list that will accomplish nothing at all..
3/12/2014 12:52:00 AM
So says the triple merit hack!
These men and women should be rewarded for all the doorbells they rang, and all the lawns they cut for politicians over the years.
Do you think sucking up is easy?
Why do politician's relatives do so well on the job?
Super Genes?
Keep making a joke out of the hiring process and promotional process and then wonder why almost half of the department and most of the big bosses are a joke to the rank and file.
Was at random drug today, they said they are expecting to have to test new sgts next week. they are getting two loaner breath testing machines. They are expecting over 75 people.
Who gives a fuck? Do any one of you think anything will change just because they publish names and who sponsored them? Just carry on with your life, be happy you have a job and stop being so bitter.
I'm sure we will find out that Capt bubblehead from 007 has been merit his whole career. Of course he has been telling a very different story all these years..
>>>Merit picks have been available for D-2 and Detective (20%) for a long time but the first merit picks (not to be confused with clouted people who mysteriously did well on tests or affirmative action promotions ordered by Judge Prentiss Marshall) for Sgt and Lt didn't start until 1998.
3/12/2014 12:18:00 AM<<<
The Judge Prentiss Marshall Affirmative Action (simply: anti-white, anti-male discrimination) started much earlier with hiring in the 1970s and more places than the CPD.
In the Sergeants Promotion that came out November 1st of 1988 (not 98) after 3 1/2 years of testing there was a case in Marshall's Court that prevented the city from promoting. The Afro-American Patrolman's League wanted 9 million in pay for its members because many of their members could not pass previous exams.
There were two Sergeants List that came out, a Raw Scores List, and a "Standardized" list. There were no names or numbers on either list, just M or F and race. White males dropped 17% from the Raw Score List to the Standardized list. There was an outrage and there was also a great shortage of Sergeants.
FOP lawyers wanted to have the city attach the names wait three weeks and see who wanted to sue. That would have made them a load of money and kept up from becoming and getting Sergeants.
A motion was made by a P.O. on the list(s) that the city promote off the Raw Scores List (you were not going to talk them and Marshall out of it) but when they did you would pay people on the Standardized List the Sergeant's pay and benefits until they were promoted or until retirement.
Fair, the P.O.s didn't discriminate in past generations so why should they pay the penalty; we paid Out-of-Grade all the time back then. The FOP lawyers hated it because no money for them in that.
When Marshall let the city promote Sergeants, the motion that they could be paying Out-of Grade to white Patrolmen for past discrimination was in his decree as a possibility.
Stay Safe, isn't it about time that the playing field be level.
We can leave race out of this ,but we can agree that it's all about who is connected black,white,latino or gay thats who gets promoted
Where do Kennedy and Georgis fit in this mix? It will say by score but when you already have the test answers going in you should score 1 and 2. Right?
What's the point we all know who was meritorious? So what are u gonna do now, belittle people and say how terrible they are bc of meritorious. I've k nown a few sgt and above who were great bosses and merit promoted, and better than sone made by list. If you want to criticise, do it to their face I'm pretty sure they can take it, and no I'm not a merit anything, but we are our worst enemies.
Does anyone know why Hiram Grau was interviewing with the mayor before he left for SXSW a couple of days ago?
One can only guess that the mayor is interviewing for superintentant again.
It seemed very hush hush because GRAU came in the building from the mayors private basement entrance. "Ops, I was not suppose to talk about that entrance" they are going to come for me now!
SCC, I meant to message you guys about this. It struck me that the 30% merit actually works out to a lot more than 30% merit on average. Here's the math.
Say there are 100 promotions available, and the city gets 30 with the other 70 being from scores. Say 30% of the department has a phone call too, so the city would be interested in promoting them out of rank if it could.
Out of the 70 the city doesn't get, 30% are gonna be people the city would like to name but doesn't have to because they passed legit. That's 21 people.
So the city is getting 21 of its favorites, on average, in addition to the 30 on the merit list.
Which, believe it or not, gives the city a simple majority of 51% clouted getting promoted. Of course, the 21 were promoted fair and square. The point is though, they are still the city's boys and girls.
There are of course other ways of looking at this, but from my view, the city gets 51% of the names on the list, though 21 of the 51 earned it fair and square.
Really good reason that the merit numbers should be cut way back, like to 0 or 1.
Can't Be. When Hilliard was asked at an open meeting [@ 025 in his early months of his Sup-dom], Why can't merit promotions be limited to only 1 in someones career? His answer was "There is no way to track that. So 'This List' you speak of CAN'T be real, or maybe he lie. . . No, No, Can't be real.
So a merit hack says it cant be verified so we should just move along. The information available may not tell you who was merit, but it will tell you who made it off the list. You think hillard wants the info out?
They should be proud to pass over their brothers and sisters in blue because only the hardest working , educated police officer receives a Merit Promotion in Chicago.
Can you pass me the Kool aide.
I made Sgt. off the 1978 test from 013. Over 35 Sgts were promoted from that list in the old 013th,,NOT ONE MERIT
3/12/14 08:25 am "your facts do not add up, merit process did not exist till 1998" What shit are you smokin??? I came on in 1986 and personally observed people promoted by merit a half dozen times from detective through Lt. Go spew your bullshit somewhere else. Maybe you were too stupid to realize what was happening.
Anonymous said...
In the early 90's 3rd dist. Commander Lorenzo Chew meritorusly promoted two black police officers, one male and one female. One was Chews neighbor. Both of them had no more than two years on the job, The male officer has been a very high ranking officer for quite sometime and deservedly so. The promotions were for the rank of detective.There were many white and black officers with a lot of time on the job who were highly qualifed and busted their ass for Chew.Too bad they weren't Chews neighbor!
3/12/2014 03:33:00 AM
Your facts do not add up. The merit process did not exist until 1998.
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A detective test was given in 1989 or 1990. The order naming the first class of detectives was posted in the very early 90s, and it included a separate column of the meritees. By the end of the day, every order posted in every unit was ordered to be removed. Never again was a meritee named on a promotion list. The list of candidates from that particular detective exam was thrown out very early. Only 2 classes were made off that list...about 160 or so. I remember that exam very well because every secretary at 11th and state made detective in those 2 particular classes. As did miss Kirby and mister d Walsh.
Is there a Sgt Class being posted this week? Rumor has it a Class of 40 in March.
Not this week. Maybe next week. Maybe never. Come on, guys, be patient willya? The merit board has only had the nominee packets for 12 months. How is McCarthy supposed to get all those super secret interviews done in only 12 months? He is a very important person. He has a shitload of softball interviews to do every week telling everyone "crime is down becawwwwwse my strategies (of draining an overtime budget in record time) awwwwrrr working" It's a really good thing this guy came along to clean up our promotional process. Yes, it's may take an extra 10 months to promote one class of 30 people but just look at the quality of merit promotees that have come out of these classes. Really truly amazing people who have spent years on the street , grinding it out, pushing a beat car, being exemplary police officers
This is not pursuant to a lawsuit but it is true that the department is about to release this info.
Merit=Clout
Anonymous said...
I did not vote for either of the two candidates that are now in the FOP runoff. This is going to be a choice of the less of two evils. I don't care how Deans kid or his friends vote. I don't care anymore whether Bill was involved with our losing the retro. We are beyond that. What I am hearing us Angelo is going to cut salaries, make our elected guys come out and talk to US. He is going to hire real labor attorneys to represent us in grievances and the contract process. Angelo is actually going to let the people we elected work in the office even though they did not run with him. All I hear from Bill is his constant attack on Angelo. Bill I get it but you never told us what you are going to do to right this sinking ship. You have never in the regular election or now in the runoff told us your plan. When you tell us that Angelo is going to bring Mike Shields back you insult our intelligence. The choice is simple.
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Stop your bullshit Rich? Billy?
Come on now the City Wide team won only 4 of 27 races. We want a clean house up there. The fact that Billy boy states that ag-u-liar will still be in the office if he wins is a slap in the face of the entire membership.
Billy should have signed the letter. He would have beaten shields in the election w/o fucking us out of 2% fir the rest of our time on the job.
The city wide submarined the kid who could not swim in the fist place. But your obsession with shields goes beyond moronic.
Anonymous said...
Mark Donahue has submitted Bill Dougherty as his merit pick for FOP president. Vote responsibly my friends.
3/12/2014 09:28:00 AM
GFY Mark and take your Doggie with you! Bye bye Billy!
OT but very important.
A few of the officers who were recently elected to FOP positions were told by Bill Dougherty that they are never going to see the inside of the office. He flat out said that 1st VP and Financial secetary would not be allowed in and Rich Agular will remain. Keven Graham who lost will be put into the 1st VP spot.
Has this guy lost it? Also said Paul "honey let me look up your skirt" Giger will stay on. Nothing like keeping sexual lawsuits active!
Like him or not, Dean Angelo needs to get elected so perhaps there will be an end to the absolute bullshit that goes on in the FOP haven.
If you disagree with this comment, ask around. But please vote. It's your duty as a 9161.
Thank You
B.S.
If you get elected to the position of 1st V.P. That is your job. You may be doing it out of the trunk of your car but that is you job. The President and Board of directors can bring other people up as field reps. There my friends are the people that get Captains pay. Got it????
This is were the back door deals are being made. If you don't think deals are being made right now you should have your head examined.
OMG, Fat Phil must be stroking out. Cline made the most meritorious appointments in the department's history.
You wonder why things are so convoluted today?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone know why Hiram Grau was interviewing with the mayor before he left for SXSW a couple of days ago?
One can only guess that the mayor is interviewing for superintentant again.
It seemed very hush hush because GRAU came in the building from the mayors private basement entrance. "Ops, I was not suppose to talk about that entrance" they are going to come for me now!
3/12/2014 04:26:00 PM
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That's interesting because the media just did a complete exoneration of Grau and his involvement in the Vanceko case.
Funny how the DS of Investigation knew nothing of the details of the Vanecko case.
My ass! Then he ends up working for the CCSAO and then he ends up the head of the ISP.
This city is so corrupt it's sickening! The sheep don't even buy their BS anymore.
Does anyone know why Hiram Grau was interviewing with the mayor before he left for SXSW a couple of days ago?
One can only guess that the mayor is interviewing for superintentant again.
It seemed very hush hush because GRAU came in the building from the mayors private basement entrance. "Ops, I was not suppose to talk about that entrance" they are going to come for me now!
Did he talk in code and wear a disguise?
Mike Shields is not on any clout list and he is still a loser power hungry jag off prick
Who doesn't know who the merit picks are? Why is that a surprised?
Someone mentioned M.M. from 5th District is a merit hack. No shit. She was made under Cline (who escapes all criticism on this site).
Cline tied to be slick and move his people to promote them merit. Cline moved M.M. to 12 District and she was a merit lt., Cline moved his driver J.M. to the academy and made him merit sgt (its ironic that Weis took a bash for making his driver - Cline's driver was white, Weis driver was black, just saying, racism). Cline moved O'Grady back to narcotics and made him merit. Cline moved now Cmdr. L.P. and made him merit lt.
Most of the Exempt have one or two merit promotions in their background. Cline, by far, made the worst merit picks possible, Cline was a bigger ass kisser than any superintendent. He made the following merit lt. that now ruin this department: M.M. L.M., G.Y,, K.C. , V.G. Convicted Regina Evans, L.Pena., L.P., J.O., L..S.,
SCC, just ask a person by name was made merit.
When the list comes out, Cline's reputation will be destroyed. He was the worst superintendent in the last 25 years.
I believe when the court ordered the "72" written test thrown out because there were not enough minority's on the list of people who passed was the beginning of the end of best and brightest for the department. Yes that is how far back it goes.
Nigro's brother is married to Lisa Madigans best bud.
Is it possible that the real story here is two things.
1. people were promoted without meeting the minimum requirements.
2. Some were promoted without a packet. (just a name on a piece of paper)
Both of which are Shakman violations.
Keep digging SCC.
When disgraced former chief of detectives William Handhardt was commander of 014 wasn't there a mini scandal when his whole tact team scored all the top spots on the test and there were allegations that someone leaked the test to him and he passed it to his tact team? And there was a secret test prep class for all the command staff family where the answers were given out in the study guide?
Merit Promotions are discriminatory to every Officer that ever worked the Chicago PD and tested for that position and scored a passing grade. No different than Affirmative Action. Nothing but Government-Sponsored Discrimination.
Wreck it Rahm - a must see:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OoPAMWSHWPk&persist_app=1&app=m
The Dicks test was in '89. The first class was in '90 and the City made 30 percent meritorious for that class. In '92 a small class was made for the Dicks that were leap frogged with no meritorious. Some were given back pay.
89 people were made off the list and it was torn down.
Look at your captain ,xo , district commander , deputy chief , a safe bet would be over 70% were Merit sgt and lt. Look at current lt and sgt over 30% are Merit because many old timers were off promotional list in rank order.
Young officers are screwed , be careful , learn the job , study the orders so the merit hacks don't jam you up.
merit for sgt did not start till after 1997. In the past detectives, gang crimes specilist, and youth officer were still patrolmen and up to 20 percent of the " division" were sent back to patrol. there was no merit for white shirts till after 1997. like it or not.
Was at random drug today, they said they are expecting to have to test new sgts next week. they are getting two loaner breath testing machines. They are expecting over 75 people.
3/12/2014 03:24:00 PM
You don't have to blow when you get promoted. Nice try...
If you are happy with the last twelve years vote for Dougherty because nothing is going to change.
3/12/2014 11:19:00 AM
There is no way in hell I would vote for Dougherty!
If you earned the promotion you should not be ashamed to have your name on that list.
3/12/2014 12:14:00 AM
lol, if your name is on the list, then you didn't earn it. You fucked someone who actually did earn it out of their rightful promotion. You fucktard
Will it change them being promoted?? No so who cares. They are still promoted and we are not. This is good so you can talk behind a white shirts back or write on a blog how they made merit??? Doesn't impress me, if the said they are giving the merit spot back to a person on the list then that's something to get excited about.. Otherwise it's a gossip list that will accomplish nothing at all..
3/12/2014 12:52:00 AM
We all endeavor to impress you.
Is it true that if Dougherty wins he will bring Donahue, Aguilar, Bailey, Graham, Delrivero, and Bourret up to the field Reps spots? What a JOKE.
The Dicks test was in '89. The first class was in '90 and the City made 30 percent meritorious for that class. In '92 a small class was made for the Dicks that were leap frogged with no meritorious. Some were given back pay.
89 people were made off the list and it was torn down.
3/12/2014 08:02:00 PM
And guess how many detectives from that list are being looked at by the G for their role in the Koschman cover-up?
If merit was legit, no one would be ashamed to admit they were merit, and McCarthy wouldn't have to worry about merit supervisors being disrespected and embarrassed to admit what they are. But why 30 percent?
Was at random drug today, they said they are expecting to have to test new sgts next week. they are getting two loaner breath testing machines. They are expecting over 75 people.
3/12/2014 03:24:00 PM
You don't have to blow when you get promoted. Nice try...
You don't? Then keeesss me you fool!
Was at random drug today, they said they are expecting to have to test new sgts next week. they are getting two loaner breath testing machines. They are expecting over 75 people.
3/12/2014 03:24:00 PM
You don't have to blow when you get promoted. Nice try...
3/12/2014 08:49:00 PM
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hes right.. you dont have to blow. Also, they are only making another class of 33 sgts and thats the final class. Not tryin to start a rumor or create shit but this is the actual number and info.
It's about time, should have never been a secret!
Was at random drug today, they said they are expecting to have to test new sgts next week. they are getting two loaner breath testing machines. They are expecting over 75 people.
3/12/2014 03:24:00 PM
You don't have to blow when you get promoted. Nice try...
3/12/2014 08:49:00 PM
That's not what I hear. I hear that it actually improves your chances of promotion.
Anonymous said...
Who doesn't know who the merit picks are? Why is that a surprised?
Someone mentioned M.M. from 5th District is a merit hack. No shit. She was made under Cline (who escapes all criticism on this site).
Cline tied to be slick and move his people to promote them merit. Cline moved M.M. to 12 District and she was a merit lt., Cline moved his driver J.M. to the academy and made him merit sgt (its ironic that Weis took a bash for making his driver - Cline's driver was white, Weis driver was black, just saying, racism). Cline moved O'Grady back to narcotics and made him merit. Cline moved now Cmdr. L.P. and made him merit lt.
Most of the Exempt have one or two merit promotions in their background. Cline, by far, made the worst merit picks possible, Cline was a bigger ass kisser than any superintendent. He made the following merit lt. that now ruin this department: M.M. L.M., G.Y,, K.C. , V.G. Convicted Regina Evans, L.Pena., L.P., J.O., L..S.,
SCC, just ask a person by name was made merit.
When the list comes out, Cline's reputation will be destroyed. He was the worst superintendent in the last 25 years.
3/12/2014 06:34:00 PM
You're absolutely correct, Cline did more damage to the CPD than the last four Superintendents put together. It's amazing how these merit mutts destroyed us.
1st off I'm sure everyone is going to be surprised that the district 10 will not have any merit bosses working there. I'm pretty sure everyone there had earned it with job knowledge.
Hope this shuts up and stops some of the incompetent fools who THINK they are leaders on the CPD.
Not a boss, not a leader just a schmuck hack with clout!
To: You don't have to blow when you get promoted. Nice try...
Actually I believe the contracts state when you go to random drug they are doing urine and breath. This is probably the case with promotional Piss tests too.
I can say with near certainty that the old 013th Dist. had the fewest number of merit promotee's in the city. 013 had some of the sharpest white, hispanic and female bosses. By contrast you will find the D units are lousy with supervisors who spell shit with two "T"s.
Wow…Someone in that now-extinct shithole of a district really is full of themselves, now aren't they?
And let's just name one or two of those sharp white male or female bosses…Helen DeWitt? Frank Gross? I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one!
I want to see if Lt. A.S., currently of 024, is on it. Maybe this might extend her medical time just a bit.
Allison Schloss is NOT a merit Lieutenant. Hate on her all you want, but she did well on both her Sgt. and Lt. promotional exams.
Sucks to be you now, doesn't it?
Was at random drug today, they said they are expecting to have to test new sgts next week. they are getting two loaner breath testing machines. They are expecting over 75 people.
3/12/2014 03:24:00 PM
You don't have to blow when you get promoted. Nice try…
Oh yes, you do! Every officer in every promotion class will drop the first day of the class. Guaranteed.
And if he did score well, are you going to apologize to him ? Let it be known and put your name on the blog. No, of course not, so shut up.
I'll bet you wish that list never sees the light of day. Feeling a little stress related to the subject?? Merit hack!.
Kline is a clever con artist and knows how to charm and manipulate people to benefit himself. He has always been a good cop, but the worst judge of character. As he rose thru the ranks, his judgment turned more and more political and self serving. He surrounded himself with more and more people who were not very smart, who would never disagree with him, who he could totally control, and who would always feel obligated to him. Did you ever notice how Kline was always calm and unstressed, but everyone he put under him was always frazzled and running in circles? The man is selfishly brilliant. If you were intelligent, a hard worker, self sufficient, low key and honest - forget about ever working near or directly under Kline. Too much competition for him - in his own mind.
Kline created him royal kingdom of servants by giving them newly created exempt titles and positions and bigger salaries to drain our pensions. He had the largest exempt staff ever. Mayor Daley let Kline do this because he knew it would drain our pension quicker.
Kline always played old school CPD when it came to taking care of "the heavy cops." If he was told by an old time boss or politico to make sure that specific cop was taken care of, Kline did it. No questions asked. It's how it's always been done in CPD is how he always felt.
Kline continued to propagate the inside promotion corruption by moving cops from one unit to another just prior to promotion, thinking it would look better on paper. He didn't care that it was obvious to everyone and that it pissed the working cops off and destroyed their morale. Nope. This was Kline kingdom, and it's how it's always been done.
It was so uncanny and such an odd coincidence that many cops who were directly next to Kline or were related to Kline, had some of the best scores on these promotional exams. Like his pretty little admin sergeant, who threw numerous lavish house parties for all of the exempt, scored number one on the Lt test. Or what's really unbelievable is how a relative and his whole tact team score high enough to make dic and sergeant in the first class off the list. I guess just being physically near Kline can make you a genius.
One problem. If his cutesy administrative sergeant made lieutenant legitimately by being number one off the list, as she repeatedly bragged, then why bother moving her from the supts office to vice for one month before the lieutenant promotion order came out? I mean if it was all legit, and all that studying got her to score so high that she was number one, then so be it, be proud. Why worry what other cops would think when they see that she made lieutenant out of the superintendents office? Right? Why bother moving her to vice if she was not merit and had a legit score?
This man acts like he would never hurt a cop or his/her family, and that he cares so much for each and every Chicago cop. Bullshit. He made fools of all of us and continues to do so with HIS LEGACY of the memorial fund. It's about him, not you or your family.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone know why Hiram Grau was interviewing with the mayor before he left for SXSW a couple of days ago?
One can only guess that the mayor is interviewing for superintentant again.
It seemed very hush hush because GRAU came in the building from the mayors private basement entrance. "Ops, I was not suppose to talk about that entrance" they are going to come for me now!
Did he talk in code and wear a disguise?
3/12/2014 06:17:00 PM
Oh, one can draw other conclusions. Maybe Grau was asked for recommendations. Maybe the mayor has some initiative he wants to run past Grau or at least inform Grau of. Heck, maybe the mayor has Grau reporting to him about McSilly's extracurricular activities.
There's any number of reasons he might have been there. Maybe he used the private entrance and met with somebody else entirely.
The only two legit organizations the exist in America today are professional wrestling and the Chicago Police Dept.
There's a certain female boss in gangs north who almost breaks her arm patting herself on the back telling anyone who'll listen how she was number one on the test at any chance she can. I'd LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see her on that list. It won't shut her up because God knows nothing can keep that trap shut but it would be funny at the very least.
** I highly doubt she would claim to have been number 1 if she had been a merit pick.
I hope u say sorry to her when the list comes out and she's not on that list.
So we're gonna go make more seargents so they can go work inside of headquarters or some cushy spot...unbelievable don't we have enough already!
On page 9 of March, 2014 "Illinois Cop" magazine there's an article about O.W. Wilson. I was particularly amused by the 3rd paragraph in the article. It read: "Wilson immediately initiated policy changes that included everything from improving officer uniforms to diminishing political meddling and control of the Department. Previously, nepotism and clout were the ways to achieve promotions in the department, and policemen who opposed the system stood by helplessly as less qualified officer's rose through the ranks."
Isn't it wonderful that we've moved on so far since his day.
Shouldn't merit appointees be available under the FOIA?
Cline wanted to make his guys, some workers, some horse-shit coppers/bosses. To do so, he kissed so much ass and made merit picks to please the politicians while sneaking his picks in. He covered what he did. Some of his good merits picks were just ok, but when you see his overall merit picks, there are horrible classes. What a Joke! And, these people have driven this department in the ground.
Weis identified his picks, so why is there a surprise? Weis/McCarthy also have made small, few classes, so there hasn't been as much abuse as Cline. There were 4 merit picks in the last lt. class, one being Cline's son. Go figure.
Matt hard working, great sergeant, but if his dad is not the former Superintendent, he is not in that class. The Boss that put Matt in, was made merit by his dad.
O/T talking about merit boy Grau. Cline took care of him because while Grau was at the FBI task force he let Cline in on information about why the FBi would not let Cline in on any investigations because of his alleged involvement in the Marquette 10 investigation. All of a sudden Graus name came to the top and made merit Lt went to 023 for a brief moment and then to acting commander of the gang unit.Then he's made dept chief of OCd then Cline is Sup and Grau is Dept Sup of Inv service. Everyone forget that Grau while at gangs north he was JOe MIEDZIANOWSKIs partner for a year. Graus has back stabbed his way through the dept and to other jobs . Hes the Dep Sup during the Koschman case and doesn't know anything,SURE he doesn't.He got his sister back on the job after she had been off for years on disability with her I fell on the rocks at Addison and the lake BS but we know she did it playing volleyball and claimed IOD. So she comes back on while Grau is in power and she is sent to the airport with hopes that he will make her a Lt.She enhances her pay for several more years hiding at the airport and then retires. Graus following his pattern of staying at his give me jobs since Daley got rid of him(blow to ego) and moved on about every two years to some political hack job until the powers to be find our he's over his head and move him on to another spot the Chicago way,promote the incompetent. Someone of the Sun time reporters should go see Joe M and ask a few questions about Mr. Grau.I'm sure Joe just might light their eyes up.And yah right he doesn't remember talking to Phl about koschman. What about Chief of dets. Grau I don't remember that either. All living in fantasy land. Just give up Hy and you and Phil and go to Fla and tell each other how great you are since you had condos at the same place. You could be the oil and towel boy for him.
Your facts do not add up. The merit process did not exist until 1998.
Easy, buddy! You're letting a truth get in the way of a good lie.
Reading through these comments, I could actually feel my IQ dropping.
Do you savor the flavor???
pretty sure the first class of Sgts. to have the "merit" component was in 1995?
I think detectives was before that?
Do you enjoy the taste of celery
Microsoft claims if they did not have their 20 top guys they would just be a regular company.
Think about that.
I know a guy who is merit and he is the best guy in the world.
I also know a guy who scored #1 and he is a moron.
Therefore ... merit is GREAT!
Any promotion above LT is merit. If you have kids in college, you'd go for the promotion too and not be stuck in a rank with no O/T.
I personally called Ernst & Young and found out that the last three test proctored by them that the second part of the exam was shipped directly back to the Department of Personnel . This included the exam booklets and scoring sheets. The city then adjusted the scores and sent them back To the proctor. My grades on average were reduced by 21% .
If you get an opportunity google Ernst & Young and you will see the lawsuits they were involved with . They include Lehman Brothers and many others.
"So we're gonna go make more seargents so they can go work inside of headquarters or some cushy spot...unbelievable don't we have enough already!"
1st City is still down over 100 Sgts. 2nd last class of Sgts were all sent south except 2 that went west. So where are you getting your info from?
Who do I blow to get promoted?
Awesome now we can pull up their arrest history and see
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There's a certain female boss in gangs north who almost breaks her arm patting herself on the back telling anyone who'll listen how she was number one on the test at any chance she can. I'd LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see her on that list. It won't shut her up because God knows nothing can keep that trap shut but it would be funny at the very least.
** I highly doubt she would claim to have been number 1 if she had been a merit pick.
I hope u say sorry to her when the list comes out and she's not on that list.
3/13/2014 01:47:00 AM
She was #1 and is not a merit pick. You are a petty, jealous prick.
To: You don't have to blow when you get promoted. Nice try...
Actually I believe the contracts state when you go to random drug they are doing urine and breath. This is probably the case with promotional Piss tests too.
3/12/2014 11:21:00 PM
Newly promoted have to pee day 1 at the academy. They don't go to random drug at Hq. You do not have to blow
1:14am
After patting yourself on the back for writing what you thought was such an intelligent article, do you realize that Phil's last name is CLINE. Kevin KLINE is an actor.
anyone who has spent a quarter of a century on this job has seen plenty of unqualified people promoted and many qualified people not promoted--- this has been going on forever--- if you came on this job and thought any different then the jokes on you....
To: You don't have to blow when you get promoted. Nice try...
Actually I believe the contracts state when you go to random drug they are doing urine and breath. This is probably the case with promotional Piss tests too.
3/12/2014 11:21:00 PM
I just got promoted in the last class and all we did was the urine test AT the academy...
Merit and clout is always going to be there. 30% is rather high but my point is they should address how many will be promoted for that test and then the 70% off the test get promoted first. The 30% merit/clout are always in the last classes of the test. Its small but would mean something to the people who tested well.
Anonymous said...
On page 9 of March, 2014 "Illinois Cop" magazine there's an article about O.W. Wilson. I was particularly amused by the 3rd paragraph in the article. It read: "Wilson immediately initiated policy changes that included everything from improving officer uniforms to diminishing political meddling and control of the Department. Previously, nepotism and clout were the ways to achieve promotions in the department, and policemen who opposed the system stood by helplessly as less qualified officer's rose through the ranks."
Isn't it wonderful that we've moved on so far since his day.
3/13/2014 03:38:00 AM
Yeah, that OW Wilson really took care of all the corruption.
There are some great test takers on this job but a lot them are terrible cop's and bosses...it's nice to work inside and study..
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There's a certain female boss in gangs north who almost breaks her arm patting herself on the back telling anyone who'll listen how she was number one on the test at any chance she can. I'd LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see her on that list. It won't shut her up because God knows nothing can keep that trap shut but it would be funny at the very least.
** I highly doubt she would claim to have been number 1 if she had been a merit pick.
I hope u say sorry to her when the list comes out and she's not on that list.
3/13/2014 01:47:00 AM
One of my long-ago classmates declared she would be number one on the sergeant's list months before it came out. Not only was she brilliant, she was obviously psychic.
Hillard did not let anyone get a merit promotion from 3510 S Michigan but Cline moved the heavies out to Area One Detectives a month before they got made and there was a lot of them. Most have gone on to commamder and up. It was. A slap in the face to all the sergeants that worked area one for any length of time but nobody cared.
For those who remember. In the 1989 Dick's test, it was broken down to 3 categories of scores
Whites,Blacks,and Hispanics.
The cutoff for Whites was 12 wrong answers. For Blacks 25 wrong answers and for Hispanics it was 22 wrong answers.
That would put you in the top 10% of you race.
The women sued because they wanted to have their own category. But the Black females refused to be lumped in with the White females thus the list was torn down. But to really break it down a black officer could get twice as many questions wrong on the test and still be higher on the list than a white officer. The initial list weas only the top 220 of each race and only posted 660 names.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The only two legit organizations the exist in America today are professional wrestling and the Chicago Police Dept.
3/13/2014 01:38:00 AM
you forgot ladies' roller derby..
There's a certain female boss in gangs north who almost breaks her arm patting herself on the back telling anyone who'll listen how she was number one on the test at any chance she can. I'd LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see her on that list. It won't shut her up because God knows nothing can keep that trap shut but it would be funny at the very least.
** I highly doubt she would claim to have been number 1 if she had been a merit pick.
I hope u say sorry to her when the list comes out and she's not on that list.
3/13/2014 01:47:00 AM
Hey Moron you probably are talking about Sgt ML. I hate to tell you she is one of the smartest cops on the job. She was number one on the Sgt's exam and number 2 on the Detectives. Not only is she smart but she's a great police officer. Can't wait to see the Merit List so you can shove that foot in you're big mouth. Problem is, it won't fit. Fucking Idiot!!!!
Off topic ,, Police test scores are out ,,,, highest scores place you at the rear of the list .....
3/13/2014 01:47:00 AM
She was #1 and is not a merit pick. You are a petty, jealous prick
With whom did she study ?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Last week on Fox in the morning, McCarthy stated in an interview that he has created a "meritocracy" on the Chicago Police Department. He was very proud of himself
Yet he didn't reduce anyone's pay after reducing their responsibilities
Can't Be. When Hilliard was asked at an open meeting [@ 025 in his early months of his Sup-dom], Why can't merit promotions be limited to only 1 in someones career? His answer was "There is no way to track that. So 'This List' you speak of CAN'T be real, or maybe he lie. . . No, No, Can't be real.
3/12/2014 05:03:00 AM
Same thing was asked at his "open" meeting in 019 around 1999 and he said "The odds of anyone getting more than one merit promotion are so small it won't happen". The room then erupted in laughter. And now 15 years later we have a whole command staff with multiple merit promotions.
Let's play Guess how many merit promotions each of our great leaders have!!!!!
1:14am
After patting yourself on the back for writing what you thought was such an intelligent article, do you realize that Phil's last name is CLINE. Kevin KLINE is an actor.
3/13/2014 08:58:00 AM
The misspelling was done on purpose, friend of fill.
Retired and glad, I finished in the top 8% on Det'test, waited 4 years for promotion while I the saw Commanders woman who rode everyones arrest report and his lap get promoted in the first class of 100 and another fool who couldnt write a case report and couldnt testify in court according to his own well educated
partner get made in front of me. His clout was a former partenr of his who also couldnt write a report or make an arrest but he had a condo on his island homeland that helped him all the way to Lt. It aint what you know but who you blow.
There's a certain female boss in gangs north who almost breaks her arm patting herself on the back telling anyone who'll listen how she was number one on the test at any chance she can. I'd LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see her on that list. It won't shut her up because God knows nothing can keep that trap shut but it would be funny at the very least.
** I highly doubt she would claim to have been number 1 if she had been a merit pick.
I hope u say sorry to her when the list comes out and she's not on that list.
News flash Idiot !!!!!!!! She was number one. Feel stupid.
Reading through these comments, I could actually feel my IQ dropping.
3/13/2014 07:15:00 AM
My bright side: I frequently delight in learning new words - my most recent favorite is "Fuckery" LOVE IT!!
You can always tell the merit pukes
They are the ones who are in debt to somebody
And they screw people over to pay that debt back
They know full well they did not deserve the bump, yet they never come clean.
They are mostly ass kisser who go and ask somebody to be put in
They are very transparent
Just look at the phony over achievers
"Look at me boss"
"See me do a great job"?
Blah blah blah
For me......
Suck this!!!!!!!
I made it legit
I do things my way
You no like? Too fucking bad
I owe nobody
Now pay me that 140k a year
Nice read about K©line who is still getting big bucks from the memorial.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
pretty sure the first class of Sgts. to have the "merit" component was in 1995?
I think detectives was before that?
3/13/2014 07:24:00 AM
There was no class of sergeants 1n 95. Around 100 in 94 and 250 in 96.None of them merit.
Whoever the nitwit is leading cheer for sgt. M.L.?
Stop your bullshit please.
It is a fucking statistical aberration in the extreme for a working copper to cut #2 on the dicks test and #1 on the sgts.
Whose super secret study group did she sit in on?
>Crickets<
When you're spoonfed the answers, it's easy to talk shit about "earning" a promotion.
However... "Earning" TWO promotions in such rapid sucession raises some interesting ethical questions.
Allegedly, because the shennanigans surrounding M.L.'s "ascent," (among others) there was supposed to be a policy of "pick one or the other" put in place to keep people from stealing, errr, "earning" two promotions in rapid sucession.
That has very likely fallen by the wayside.
Oh by the way... Saw M.L. looking goggle-eyed at more than a few "dynamic" calls.
Ask around... There are some people who remember being roped into lending her a hand because she was a lost child in the woods as far as this job is concerned.
Does "Earned. Not Given." ring a bell?
GTFOH and sell crazy somewhere else.
She couldn't find her ass with both hands and an assist from you...
Not a personal slam against her but damn this system is fucked up when one like her is dubbed "best and brightest."
Just another old blue shirt...
Up north we used to have an X/O that was a CAPS Sgt in 014, Tact Lt. in 016. Capt in 019 and now is an inspector. Curious about something. How would some1 like that live w/such an obvious lack of achievement? This person will retire and it'll have to strike the person very hard that U NEVER wood have made anything of U'r self w/out something being "rigged" so U don't/can't lose. I'd loathe myself!
Wwe wrestler Randy Orton and Kane are on the next meritorious class cause they are juice babies oh its true! Oh wait I thought we were talking promotions in wrestling duh silly me!
Somebody must be really jealous of Hiram Grau, first off he is a great copper, it really doesn't matter who he worked with, Grau was assigned to Gangs North back in the day and as with many guys worked with Joe Miedjwnowski, so what that doesn't make him a bad guy or crook, so what he worked on the FBI Task Force, he worked hard and got it, so what if a guy has a friend who helped him, so what if he has a condo in Florida in the same place where Cline has his, many superintendants have good relationships with their command staff, and a good boss ALWAYS surrounds himself with people he can and does trust. As for Grau visiting the mayor, SO what, he has a State Police office in the State of Illinios building and spends time there. so if he meets with Rahm, it is not unusual, Grow up and know your facts before writing on this Blog. you are obviously upset because you can't get bumped up. Study hard and ,make a friend who can get you made meritoriously .
Super genes indeed...
All through my lengthy career...
PATROLMAN no clout
DETECTIVE past the exam and it was graded right in front of me
SERGEANT studied very hard and the first class by score
LIEUTENANT made that by exam not clout
TURNED DOWN a Commanders job because I didn't want to have to sit in a room and pretend Jody Weis was a genius.
Super genes, maybe, when I retired I was put out to stud.
Anonymous said...
If you earned the promotion you should not be ashamed to have your name on that list.
3/12/2014 12:14:00 AM
lol, if your name is on the list, then you didn't earn it. You fucked someone who actually did earn it out of their rightful promotion. You fucktard
3/12/2014 09:52:00 PM
I'd have to disagree. I know of a suburban sergeant that had the highest score on the exam, you know the "best and brightest." They have been trying to get rid of him since for consistently being an idiot. Exams can not measure competence. They measure test taking ability and memory as well as knowledge of concepts. I've sat in many classes with people, often the younger students, with some of the highest scores and the personality of plywood and no ability to lead, mentor, or instruct anyone else. They had great scores though! I knew a guy in college who was infamous for outscoring everyone on tests and getting better grades though he never went to class and he copied homework from other people...but he would destroy the tests. He was just that good. Meanwhile I'd study and study and get the same grade as when I didn't study. Actually that's a bad example because he was smart and good with people but it was all effortless to him.
Sgt ML, might be a great test taker , but WAS NOT a great police officer. All she did was paper jump and inventories.
Anonymous said...
1:14am
After patting yourself on the back for writing what you thought was such an intelligent article, do you realize that Phil's last name is CLINE. Kevin KLINE is an actor.
3/13/2014 08:58:00 AM
The misspelling was done on purpose, friend of fill.
3/13/2014 06:12:00 PM
I thought Kevin Kline is that guy who makes electrician's tools, pliers, tool pouches etc. and named the company after himself, Kline Tools.
Let the pissing and moaning by juice babies begin!!
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