Sun Times Keeps Pushing
- Webb’s report leaves many questions unanswered — and raises some new ones — about the 2004 and 2011 police investigations into Koschman’s death. Among them:
1. When did the police first know it was Vanecko who ran away after throwing the punch that led to Koschman’s death — and who told them?
Testifying under immunity from prosecution last year, police Lt. Richard Rybicki told grand jurors he knew “pretty shortly thereafter” — within “a couple of days” — Vanecko was involved. Rybicki, who supervised the Area 3 detectives handling the case, said he discussed this with his boss, Cmdr. Michael Chasen, and recalled someone saying, “Holy crap, maybe the mayor’s nephew is involved.”
Webb’s report says his 17-month investigation couldn’t determine who told Chasen and Rybicki about Vanecko.
The report doesn’t say whether anyone higher in the police chain of command knew about Vanecko.
We still have a few people pointing out that the feebs aren't going to do much - that the feebs like having something gift wrapped with a bow on top so as to keep their conviction rate on public corruption cases high. To those we simply point out:
- The feds are involved. They aren't denying it and any comments made are along the lines of "It's a continuing investigation." Therefore, it might be safe to assume that something is gift wrapped. Someone is wearing a bow. Somebody is/was/will be talking.
The Sun Times asks 15 questions. Some are nonsense, but more than a few have the potential to produce answers that will make a lot of other people uncomfortable to the point of thinking about saving their own skins. First seat on the bus is always the window seat with the view.
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The FBI investigation will end up inclusive. It is the Chicago Way.
Mike Chasen will buckle big time!
So that asshole Webb tells the scum times he can't talk about other names because of the secret proceedings of the grand jury but how funny he can talk about or write other things relevant to the grand jury investigation including names of police officers.
As Hillary would say, "At this point, who cares." This is all ancient history and old news.
Yeah SCC no one is going to be charged by the AUSA. Sure..../sarcasm
A lot makes sense seeing the names of those involved. No wonder Keating keeps getting cushy spot after cushy spot. Who's gonna be the good soldier and fall on the sword?
And suddenly it occurred to me that Special prosecutor Webb himself agreed to the sixty day jail term for Vanecko! Vanecko made out, relatively speaking. And how did he make out you might ask? It would appear as part of the quid pro quo he's the one talking. This might get really, really good.
In the FBI's defense, they really don't have time to look at this case.
After solving the 1978 Luftansa robbery, they are now looking into the possibility that the man who shot Liberty Valance was not working alone.
Thanks for the mental image, SCC.
I'm gonna see Denis Walsh's head of gray hair adorned with an oversized crimson bow every time that rich-guy-gives-his-wife-a-Lexus-for-Christmas Lexus commercial airs around the holidays.
And is karma finally catching up with Chasen? I knew he was an arrogant prick the first time I had the misfortune of interacting with him when he was the VC sergeant at A4.
It's guys like these dickheads that you don't mind seeing get hammered when the jig is up.
i bet on SAM is the first on the bus talking but sam said iam the mayors driver i dont know nothing i dont think so see you at 219 brother
It's a damn shame Webb could not retrieve the phone records for Keating and the other security detail of 2004. Could you image that flow chart?
This being Chicago we all know what went down. The Chicago Way.
Is that Alderman Paddy Bauler laughing in the darkness?
I just reviewed the story from two weeks back in the Sun Times where it was revealed that Webb involved the FBI.
The question that I have is Webb stated that the Grand Jury developed information on individuals that were involved in the Koschman case that related to other on-going investigations.
Who are the individuals and what are they being investigated for?
Who cares when they knew Vanecko was involved.
It is not criminal to know that Vanecko was involved.
They knew Vaneck was involved on day one. So what? Now what?
So they knew but couldn't produce a witness that Vanecko threw the punch. Ya? So?
Sure we can use our powers of deduction to know that he threw the punch. Poof: Here States Attorney - it's obvious Vanecko threw the punch. Now ... we have these three witnesses - who are friend of Kocshcman - who are saying either Koschman was the aggressor or Koschman actually knocked the one guy's glasses of.
So .... what.
Did the first Det. supp. (forgot his name) mention Vanecko? Is Vanecko's name anywhere in that Supp from 2004? If it is .... then so ...... fucking .... what.
SO what if Chasen knew? If he supposed to have a press conference? WTF is going on here?
Se what happens when the politicians get involved? It gets ALL FUCKED UP. This is a ground-ball case - unchargeable.
ANd, no, I have no involvement. I don't even particularly care for some of the bosses involved. But I don't want to see even them hurt over nonsense.
Is a grant of immunity in the state court transferable to the federal court?
And is karma finally catching up with Chasen? I knew he was an arrogant prick the first time I had the misfortune of interacting with him when he was the VC sergeant at A4.
Well said, Sir. Chasen was one of the all time arrogant jaggoffs in the history of the dept. Always came off like this police shit was beneath him. What an absolute asswipe.
I hope the media keeps pushing. At least someone there has some gonads.
Anonymous said...
In the FBI's defense, they really don't have time to look at this case.
After solving the 1978 Luftansa robbery, they are now looking into the possibility that the man who shot Liberty Valance was not working alone.
3/04/2014 02:30:00 AM
They almost have the Dillinger escape solved from that jail in Crown Point.
And don't forget, Elliot Ness is a bum. Now if his name were Eliot O'Ness it would be a different story.
Anonymous said...
Mike Chasen will buckle big time!
3/04/2014 12:08:00 AM
Chasen last seen walking around A/3 muttering about lack of loyalty right after he was dumped/retired.
From someone who knew most of the officers involved...
http://fightingchicago.blogspot.com/2014/02/clout-poor-reflection-of-chicago.html
Nark my words, nothing will because daley family is involved.
Anonymous said...
i bet on SAM is the first on the bus talking but sam said iam the mayors driver i dont know nothing i dont think so see you at 219 brother
3/04/2014 04:14:00 AM
Yep Sam who was rapidly promoted to mayors detail commander, right around this time,and jimmy keatings who soared from patrolman to deputy now to running Cta security, it's all legit. Speaking of Cta security back in the day lt bea cuello went from CPD to run Cta security for awhile came back to CPD as a commander then promoted to deputy wonder if she gets double pension both Cta and CPD (I'm in the money).
To the coppers involved you about to feel real heat, hopefully you will get the first seat or kiss your life goodbye and ruin everything with your family! Heard so e guys on current mayors detail from dales detail are getting a good seat first, it's not worth saving a politician thief life is to short,bad enough Vanecko only got 60 days for killing a kid!
Benghazi won't be probed with such intensity, as this case will be.
Forget it - there's nothing here for the Feds.
It seems unlikely that anyone from 2004 is in serious jeopardy. Applicable federal laws under Title 18 (Section 242, specifically, and the RICO Act) carry a Statute of Limitations of 5 to 7 years. So unless they submit to an interview by the FBI (how dumb would that be?) and lie ala Martha Stewart I do not see any prosecution forthcoming for them.
Still its amazing that these clouted asshats laugh everyday about this entire event. They are even more arrogant now that they have had their meetings. These guys act like they are in bad wiseguy movie. Queen Dean, Studdering Joe, Grabass Denis, Ricky Schroeder Sammy, Questionable Jimmy and Five kid Nick. These are their names for eachother. They use them openly on the floor. Why arexany of these bosses still in sensitive positions of command. You got a Lt. who was arrested for a sexual assault in charge of Sexton Crimes. A Commander who recovered a G gun (minus the expensive scope )
scscope) scopscope) and lied about who really recovered it ( alla JM) A sgt. who can't tell the truth to save his life and punnishes those who do. All three are an embarrassment on their own! Now you put them together with the promises of higher positions in their future for covering up the truth...what did you expext.
As Hillary would say, "At this point, who cares." This is all ancient history and old news.
3/04/2014 12:18:00 AM
How would you feel if the dead person was your relative? The guilty rely on attitudes such as your attitude. It allows them to get away with their crimes and remain in the shadows. Shame on you.
Simple Battery. Mutual combat. kid couldn't take a punch. Darrin O'Brien wouldn't approve charges on smoking gun with witnesses.
I concure with you Fart on Chasen....just A miserable unlikeable PRICK..............
To the fucking disgusting prick of a asshole loser who has no regard for life who posted ''This Is Ancient History'' go fuck yourself. Have you ever lost a loved one? It never becomes ancient history you ass prick scum bag. The pain never goes away it's there everyday, maybe you wake with it or it hits you as your driving home for work or it keeps you up at night and when you finally fall to sleep you awake hoping it was a dream. The pain may not be 24 hours a day as it is the first years, but let me educate you you stupid prick,''It Never Becomes Ancient History''I lost my brother to a similiar situation and I hope all these officers rot and the devil never lets you get a peaceful nights rest. I believe some of these people are going to finally get what's coming to them. They have two things to worry about, ''God and the Devil''. You'll never escape this.
Why weren't they this persistent when they sniffed around Daley?
Isn't it funny to see the names Keating ,Roti and Thompson. If you look closely after the cover up happened Keating retired went to Navy Pier now at CTA, Roti was then promoted to Commander. Maybe a little payback?? He Stayed long enough to get Commanders Pension and retired turning over the reigns to BHop Thompson promoted to Commander. One thing they all have in common besides the Koschman cover up is patrolmen that were all rewarded with a Commanders Pension. No wonder we have unstable pension it's used as hush money for the Daleys
“And is karma finally catching up with Chasen? I knew he was an arrogant prick the first time I had the misfortune of interacting with him when he was the VC sergeant at A4.
It's guys like these dickheads that you don't mind seeing get hammered when the jig is up.”
3/04/2014 04:00:00 A
So Chasen spoke harshly to you and upset your delicate sensibilities? And for that you wish harm on him without knowing for sure he did anything illegal? I’m ashamed to think you are a brother PO. Chasen has helped more coppers involved in shootings than the FOP, and I only exaggerate slightly. If you were an involved copper and saw him show up on the scene, throughout his career in the D, you breathed a sigh of relief. There are plenty of good coppers out there who, when they go down on their knees to pray, include him in their blessings. No matter what you or anyone else thinks of him personally, professionally he was always there to help.
Everybody's out for a big engagement party.
All of the Daley relatives, cousins, friends. .. except for Patrick.
How odd?
I have to say Im dissapointed at some of the comments Im hearing from other coppers who are wishing Ill will on the Dicks involved in this case. Since when did we become a Dept. that roots for the feds and throws our own under the bus without due process? Most of all guys like DW whom, hearing from the guys who worked for him, never hurt another copper and only helped. I work for his brother MW and can vouch the same for him.
OK so the job is phoney and those with juice move up? Now theres a surprise eh? Thats a dynamic you should have figured by the 2nd week in the academy. OK Vanecko is a mean spirited egotistic Bully of the Daley crime Corp.? Well sombody voted this bunch in.
Talk about a bad situation to be thrown in the middle of. Either getting crushed, perhaps the careers of your kids getting crushed, your family getting crushed, and all because Chicago Govt. is a no good stinking piece of dog shit that none of the coppers involved created.
If it werent for great Dicks I know I wouldnt still be employed. Boy they saved my lilly white ass a few times. I myself have cut many corners to not hurt other coppers, even at the risk of my own job. In fact if its one thing i can look back with pride over its the fact that Ive never taken the bread off the table of another coppers table, or his familys. Even if I had to fist fight a drunken one in the street.
Well times have changed. Now the entire Dept. is pissed cause "I never got mine" and its gotten to the point we want to see others get fucked, as if it'll make us feel better.Damn were surrounded with phonyness for decades but automatically believe the worst when one of our own is accused by aome POS like The Times.
Dont go down that road of wishing bad on these guys. This Dept. is broken enough without breaking us further.
Sadly, the political hacks will sacrifice the few who obeyed orders and tried to kill this. The real offenders will get away.
Just to put it in perspective:
Bill Cozzi hit some dope that deserved it and no one was complaining but Jody Wiess and he got 3 years.
Vanecko kills a man and gets 60 days of the jail of his choice.
Fair is fair.
If anyone really believes that the bosses didn't know a Daley was involved and protected the crime family then I say they may give Joe Biden I run for dumbest person in America. No one would ever fuck with a Daley. It doesn't need to be said. It's understood. I'm sure the Feds are well aware of the code.
How many years will the DOJ keep the Daley grand jury depositions sealed?
Mrs Koschman , please file a wrongfully death suit against him!
Chasen is the guy who was a lieutenant of detectives when he was promoted to captain by uncle terry . The fact is Chasen never put in an application for Captain and refused the promotion so he could stay in the detectives. Shortly after he was made a commander. Now, that is clout.
Time to investigate Webb's investigation !!!
Was Chasen ever a detective in an Area ?
Who was the Chief of Dets when this happened ?
Kirby where are you? Kirby can you hear me? Come home Kirby it's tine to tell the truth.
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Anonymous said...
Is a grant of immunity in the state court transferable to the federal court?
3/04/2014 06:43:00 AM
Personal testimony only
Anonymous said...
Who was the Chief of Dets when this happened ?
3/04/2014 01:17:00 PM
Read Webb's report already. It's in there. Become informed, think for yourself. Don't rely on the Sun-Times to do it for you.
Ask any of the VC dicks who worked with Chasen in A/4. When an officer was involved in a shooting and was so traumatized, excited, upset (call it whatever you want) and unable to adequately articulate those facts which justified him firing his weapon, those dicks, with Chasen right in the thick of it, helped those POs properly organize their thoughts and articulate those facts so that OPS, the ASA and the ADS would not misinterpret them.
He may have been a prick when you wanted to borrow a car but shoot someone and he was the best friend you had on the street.
Who was the Chief of Dets when this happened ?
3/04/2014 01:17:00 PM
Supt cline
First deputy Dana Starks
First second deputy Jim Maurer
Dep supt BOIS Hiram Grau
Chief of det jim Molloy
Dep chief rich kobel
Cmdr mike chasen
Still its amazing that these clouted asshats laugh everyday about this entire event. They are even more arrogant now that they have had their meetings. These guys act like they are in bad wiseguy movie. Queen Dean, Studdering Joe, Grabass Denis, Ricky Schroeder Sammy, Questionable Jimmy and Five kid Nick. These are their names for eachother. They use them openly on the floor. Why arexany of these bosses still in sensitive positions of command. You got a Lt. who was arrested for a sexual assault in charge of Sexton Crimes. A Commander who recovered a G gun (minus the expensive scope )
scscope) scopscope) and lied about who really recovered it ( alla JM) A sgt. who can't tell the truth to save his life and punnishes those who do. All three are an embarrassment on their own! Now you put them together with the promises of higher positions in their future for covering up the truth...what did you expext.
3/04/2014 07:43:00 AM
Love love love your absolute truth commentary. Fatty covered up that absolute ass nine moronic gun pinch (hand off) that salami totally fell for. Joey salami and Ricky and jimmy couldn't see thru that infamous gang specialist, and fatty saved them from potentially rooming with that Gspc. Fatty saved them and then promoted them and then needed them. See how this merit system works?
and so.....what about the truth?....anyone forget about the truth?
Anonymous said...
Is a grant of immunity in the state court transferable to the federal court?
3/04/2014 06:43:00 AM
No. But what do you think anyone will do when handed a Federal GJ subpoena?
So will Brian Thompson finally admit he picked up the nephew from the bar after the fight and got him out of there he is a do nothing typical suck hole I can't believe rham will still let him be the commander of his detail knowing this along with his history of a bankruptcy and living beyond his means
Chasen is the guy who was a lieutenant of detectives when he was promoted to captain by uncle terry . The fact is Chasen never put in an application for Captain and refused the promotion so he could stay in the detectives. Shortly after he was made a commander. Now, that is clout
No way, this is all BS
Anonymous said...
How many years will the DOJ keep the Daley grand jury depositions sealed?
3/04/2014 11:06:00 AM
The depositions will be placed in a sealed container and go into space on the next deep space exploration vehicle. When they get to the planet Romulan perhaps someone can be found who can decipher Daley's gibberish. Supposed to be people who speak Scrooten up there.
I attended garitto's pension event and the Springfield demonstration. I voted against Rauner.Several police said Rauner would notinclude ppolice and fire in pension reform. I believe that this is a diversionary divide and conquer anti union tactic. We should only support only candidates that support the "shall not be diminished" portion of the constitutional interpretation. The fop and union 2 should not be the sharpened blade that divides union solidarity. Many of us encouraged the teachers during their strike and it was appreciated. I believe we should support all. If they can screw a librarian or custodian while we smugly stand by, the day and precedence will be set to screw us 5 years from now. These politicians like rauner and d'amico spout this special status stuff while attacking the pension system at large. With us out of the picture, it is more palatable to the public and mefia to attack pension benefits of junior high volleyball coaches and street cleaners, but we are next. Fuck any and all who are in favor of redistribution of wealth to the one percent that pension reform represents. Please see through the smoke and mirrors, fight for what we deserve and don't be coopted by these morally bankrupt politicians.
Chasen is a jag off and has always been one.
3/04/2014 09:14:00 AM
You use the term "our own" rather loosely.
The clout hacks that dance like puppets for the Daleys and Rahms ARE NOT my own, and they bear no resemblence to the men and women I am proud to work with. We have no use for anyone that didn't have the balls to do the right thing because they owed, feared or wanted something form some scumbag politician. Especially any of the Daley clan. RMD did everything he could to destroy this dept. He pissed on us and our fallen every day he was in office. He and his cronies pissed away our pension and our futures. If any one of these guys tried to protect Vaneko or Daley they should hang in the wind for they ARE NOT our own.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Was Chasen ever a detective in an Area ?
3/04/2014 01:17:00 PM
Never. He has a self made resume.
And is karma finally catching up with Chasen? I knew he was an arrogant prick the first time I had the misfortune of interacting with him when he was the VC sergeant at A4.
Well said, Sir. Chasen was one of the all time arrogant jaggoffs in the history of the dept. Always came off like this police shit was beneath him. What an absolute asswipe.
Very arrogant prickly.
Who was the Chief of Dets when this happened ?
3/04/2014 01:17:00 PM
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The Question is who was the Deputy Superintendent of Bureau of Investigation ??
Answer: Hiriam Grau
Illinois State Police Director
Former cook County States Attorney Deputy Director Investigation
That's why Anita Alvarez wanted the state police to investigate the case so she can tell Hiriam to kill the investigation.
All I can say is Masters, Masters, Masters. He will sing like a canary if brought in.
1:17 PM
No. Like most bosses in the Detective Division, Chasen was never a detective. Clout rules. No experience required.
Open letter to bruce rauner.
Just because a man is rich, do not assume he has values. A rich man receives more than he gives society, a man with values gives more to society than he receives.
Wonder how many will fall?how many have retired and will be on the bus? You guys saved Daley but now you will pay the price, over a dead child murdered by a Daley relative who only got 60 days in a Taj Mahal jail! Guess that if your connected you really get away with murder. Wonder if the Daley family church in that ghetto known as Bridgeport will throw a mega fund raiser for the killer like they did for Daley stooge Greg so rich who went to prison,for shaking his family to fall on the sword for the corruption the Daley family has done!
"Don't go down that road of wishing bad on these guys. This Dept. is broken enough without breaking us further..."
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Best post this year.
How about we reverse our attitudes and stand together.
You'd all be amazed at what could happen.
Chasen was the VC Lt in area 3.
He was promoted to captain on a Friday, and some point over the weekend, declined the position.
At his retirement party he was presented with a display case with all of his stars, including the captains button.
Open letter to bruce rauner.
Just because a man is rich, do not assume he has values. A rich man receives more than he gives society, a man with values gives more to society than he receives.
3/04/2014 10:28:00 PM
Amen.
Supt cline
First deputy Dana Starks
First second deputy Jim Maurer
Dep supt BOIS Hiram Grau
Chief of det jim Molloy
Dep chief rich kobel
Cmdr mike chasen
Cmdr sam roti
3/04/2014 05:11:00 PM
Which one will be the first to fold? It's a race between Roti and Kobel.
Now you know why Weis was brought to push out most of the brass at the time! And thats why Daley needed the SOS scandel as well. The FEDS will " take a look" just to posture to the public they are doing something about it. Thats all that will happen.
I hope the media keeps pushing. At least someone there has some gonads.
3/04/2014 06:58:00 AM
Pushing? Hahahaha things are not always what they appear! A paragraph here and there is not pushing! Nothing will happen!
Open letter to bruce rauner.
Just because a man is rich, do not assume he has values. A rich man receives more than he gives society, a man with values gives more to society than he receives.
3/04/2014 10:28:00 PM
Shhhhhhhhhh he really is a super secret democrat! Don't tell anyone!
Wonder how many will fall?how many have retired and will be on the bus? You guys saved Daley but now you will pay the price, over a dead child murdered by a Daley relative who only got 60 days in a Taj Mahal jail! Guess that if your connected you really get away with murder. Wonder if the Daley family church in that ghetto known as Bridgeport will throw a mega fund raiser for the killer like they did for Daley stooge Greg so rich who went to prison,for shaking his family to fall on the sword for the corruption the Daley family has done!
3/04/2014 10:33:00 PM
Lmao move along nothing too see! How many will fall???? Thats funny!
Anonymous said...
Kirby where are you? Kirby can you hear me? Come home Kirby it's tine to tell the truth.
3/04/2014 02:27:00 PM
Ironically she is #3 in command of the Garda in Ireiand, which happens to be a non extradition country.
Previous post mentioned something about a fundraiser for "Robert" which brought back memories . . .
A google search of daley's former patronage chief, right-hand man who went to jail ("Protect the King!!" from Braveheart) rather than snitch on shortshanks, robert sorich, reveals that he filed an appeal of his conviction for mail fraud. the appeal was denied but the ruling is interesting, insomuch as it shows the people of chicago were denied good employees at the expense of providing good campaign workers for the democratic corruption machine:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ca7-11-02839/pdf/USCOURTS-ca7-11-02839-0.pdf
Regarding last post about Sorich, did any paper ever reveal how much Sorich got for his fund raiser before jail?
At the time, Daley said it was okay to have a fundraiser for his friend, a convicted felon, for some mumbled reason:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-23/news/0608230262_1_mayor-richard-j-daley-city-worker-legal-bills
Some more interesting names, including one working at FOP:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-24/news/0608240192_1_mayor-richard-daley-robert-sorich-jesus
How many have bared their souls to him?
Supt cline
First deputy Dana Starks
First second deputy Jim Maurer
Dep supt BOIS Hiram Grau
Chief of det jim Molloy
Dep chief rich kobel
Cmdr mike chasen
Cmdr sam roti
3/04/2014 05:11:00 PM
Please remember to thank each and every one of them for the Department we have today.
Supt cline
First deputy Dana Starks
First second deputy Jim Maurer
Dep supt BOIS Hiram Grau
Chief of det jim Molloy
Dep chief rich kobel
Cmdr mike chasen
Cmdr sam roti
3/04/2014 05:11:00 PM
Which one will be the first to fold? It's a race between Roti and Kobel.
So you think they all were involved in a conspiracy to cover-up? Did they follow the chain of command with the order to take care of Vanecko moving downwards thru each until it got to the detective? It’s not hard to believe you never passed a promotional exam. There is no critical thinking going on.
You use the term "our own" rather loosely.
The clout hacks that dance like puppets for the Daleys and Rahms ARE NOT my own, and they bear no resemblence to the men and women I am proud to work with. We have no use for anyone that didn't have the balls to do the right thing because they owed, feared or wanted something form some scumbag politician. Especially any of the Daley clan. RMD did everything he could to destroy this dept. He pissed on us and our fallen every day he was in office. He and his cronies pissed away our pension and our futures. If any one of these guys tried to protect Vaneko or Daley they should hang in the wind for they ARE NOT our own.
3/04/2014 07:37:00 PM
You are basing your opinion solely on what the Sun Times is writing. And please don't give the Webb bull sh*t because his report, amid the carefully worded parts, does in fact state there is NO evidence the police did anything wrong. It is you, sir, that is not one of us.
Simple Battery. Mutual combat. kid couldn't take a punch. Darrin O'Brien wouldn't approve charges on smoking gun with witnesses.
3/04/2014 08:33:00 AM
I'd love to see if you can take a punch.
Anonymous said...
Kirby where are you? Kirby can you hear me? Come home Kirby it's tine to tell the truth.
3/04/2014 02:27:00 PM
Ironically she is #3 in command of the Garda in Ireiand, which happens to be a non extradition country.
3/05/2014 01:51:00 AM
WRONG!! She is #3 at the Garda Inspectorate....not part of the Garda...she has no police powers...she is basically a higher form of Irish Compstat reviewing the way Garda does police work. That's pretty funny the non-police telling the police how to do things!! Well, I guess it works so well in Chicago she might as well screw up Ireland too.
Chasen was never a detective ( no big deal. many detectives were never the police), but he was made a captain yet never put an application in for it. Amazing, it's truly legit, like the smartest man on the CPD Capt. TL formerly of the 023, said " the testing and promotion process on the chicago police department is the most legitimate process I've ever witnessed"..... he said it with a straight face, and believes it.....
"Don't go down that road of wishing bad on these guys. This Dept. is broken enough without breaking us further..."
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Best post this year.
How about we reverse our attitudes and stand together.
You'd all be amazed at what could happen.
Fuck you. If you get behind the connected dogs who did everything they could to obstruct a hpmicide investigation and court favor with the politicians in return for the merit promotions the each had you don't have the moral or ethical fiber to have this job. Man, what will the Emerald Society do with all the medals they pinned on the lieutenant? They'll be taken away from him prior to hitting the lock-up!
Anonymous said...
I hope the media keeps pushing. At least someone there has some gonads.
3/04/2014 06:58:00 AM
Of course they'll keep pushing. There will be no Pulitzer Prize if no one else goes to jail. The Pulitzer Committee couldn't care less about some relative of a former mayor who accidentally killed someone in a drunken argument and got 60 days and probation.
And believe me, that is the ONLY reason they will keep pushing. They don't seem too worried about all the other REAL murders in the city.
federal grand jury baby!....and the sooner, the better.....fire it up!.....while inspectors look for beat tags......
Molloy, Chasen and Hiliard - never dicks.
Fuck you. If you get behind the connected dogs who did everything they could to obstruct a hpmicide investigation and court favor with the politicians in return for the merit promotions the each had you don't have the moral or ethical fiber to have this job. Man, what will the Emerald Society do with all the medals they pinned on the lieutenant? They'll be taken away from him prior to hitting the lock-up!
3/05/2014 02:42:00 PM
Just how do you know they are connected? How do you know a deal was made, especially since RMD had already announced he was leaving when this investigation concluded? What do you base the allegation on that they obstructed the investigation? Webb's report states there is no evidence of wrong doing. Try reading it because if you did, you shouldn't have missed that part.
You are the one who does not belong on this job. You don't have he intelligence but far worse, you are throwing fellow coppers under the bus based on nothing more than innuendo from the Sun Times because they are dying to win a Pulitzer.
Anonymous said...
federal grand jury baby!....and the sooner, the better.....fire it up!.....while inspectors look for beat tags......
3/05/2014 03:53:00 PM
And again:
It seems unlikely that anyone from 2004 is in serious jeopardy. Applicable federal laws under Title 18 (Section 242, specifically, and the RICO Act) carry a Statute of Limitations of 5 to 7 years. So unless they submit to an interview by the FBI (how dumb would that be?) and lie ala Martha Stewart I do not see any prosecution forthcoming for them.
You use the term "our own" rather loosely.
The clout hacks that dance like puppets for the Daleys and Rahms ARE NOT my own, and they bear no resemblence to the men and women I am proud to work with. We have no use for anyone that didn't have the balls to do the right thing because they owed, feared or wanted something form some scumbag politician. Especially any of the Daley clan. RMD did everything he could to destroy this dept. He pissed on us and our fallen every day he was in office. He and his cronies pissed away our pension and our futures. If any one of these guys tried to protect Vaneko or Daley they should hang in the wind for they ARE NOT our own.
3/04/2014 07:37:00 PM
You are basing your opinion solely on what the Sun Times is writing. And please don't give the Webb bull sh*t because his report, amid the carefully worded parts, does in fact state there is NO evidence the police did anything wrong. It is you, sir, that is not one of us.
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I agree very much with the first post. The police in question were not helping out other police. They were helping out the Daley clan.
Webbs report says he cannot find enough evidence to place state charges.
Our opinions are based on decades of living in and working for the rats that rub this city.
So you think they all were involved in a conspiracy to cover-up? Did they follow the chain of command with the order to take care of Vanecko moving downwards thru each until it got to the detective? It’s not hard to believe you never passed a promotional exam. There is no critical thinking going on.
3/05/2014 07:30:00 AM
You are an idiot. Once the offender's identity was known, they did not have to speak of a conspiracy. They went into shanks auto-drive. If you do not understand, you aren't from around here.
You are an idiot. Once the offender's identity was known, they did not have to speak of a conspiracy. They went into shanks auto-drive. If you do not understand, you aren't from around here.
3/05/2014 07:32:00 PM
No, asshat. You are the idiot. The original post I responded to implied a conspiracy (was that you?) or did you not understand that?
If they went into "shanks auto-drive" how can they flip on each other or anyone else. Again, no critical thinking on your part.
Open letter to bruce rauner.
Just because a man is rich, do not assume he has values. A rich man receives more than he gives society, a man with values gives more to society than he receives.
3/04/2014 10:28:00 PM
Shhhhhhhhhh he really is a super secret democrat! Don't tell anyone!
3/05/2014 01:41:00 AM
Don't insult the democrats.
Anonymous said...
It seems unlikely that anyone from 2004 is in serious jeopardy. Applicable federal laws under Title 18 (Section 242, specifically, and the RICO Act) carry a Statute of Limitations of 5 to 7 years. So unless they submit to an interview by the FBI (how dumb would that be?) and lie ala Martha Stewart I do not see any prosecution forthcoming for them.
3/05/2014 06:00:00 PM
Any cop who is brought in now for questioning and submits is insane. Simply say, "I invoke my right to have an attorney present."
my money is on SAM THE DRIVER
"Our opinions are based on decades of living in and working for the rats that rub this city."
3/05/2014 06:47:00 PM
And that's like saying all cops take bribes and eat donuts all day. It's ignorant to assume the worst when
you don't know all the facts and base your opinions on limited "experience". Do you know the story of the four blind men and the elephant?
No, asshat. You are the idiot. The original post I responded to implied a conspiracy (was that you?) or did you not understand that?
If they went into "shanks auto-drive" how can they flip on each other or anyone else. Again, no critical thinking on your part.
3/05/2014 10:11:00 PM
Asshat is so used up, but you are truly an idiot.
When one of them admits to shanks auto-drive, it will not take long for the others to tumble and admit the same. As each of them acted in the wrong, and knowingly allowed, by remaining silent, to allow others to act in the wrong, the conspiracy (agreement) chain was born. Actus reus. Also, the agreement does not have to be spoken. And, fuck you.
IMHO, the feds are going to do as much with this investigation as they did when they re-opened the Emmet TILL investigation from
the 1950's.
In a word: "NOTHING"!
It's Chicago. It's the Chicago Way.
"Motion to fix, your honor."
"Granted."
Retired Ol' Sixgun Sarge
"When one of them admits to shanks auto-drive, it will not take long for the others to tumble and admit the same. As each of them acted in the wrong, and knowingly allowed, by remaining silent, to allow others to act in the wrong, the conspiracy (agreement) chain was born. Actus reus. Also, the agreement does not have to be spoken. And, fuck you."
3/06/2014 03:00:00 PM
You truly are a small minded fool. Do you even read what you write?
"When one of them admits to shanks auto-drive, it will not take long for the others to tumble and admit the same."
So, you're saying after one gives it up the others will have a guilty conscious and also confess? If you can't name me you think I would give it up? HA! What are you smoking? No spoken conspiracy? HA! Good luck proving that.
Hey, and give me another 'Fuck you', little brain.
""""You use the term "our own" rather loosely.
The clout hacks that dance like puppets for the Daleys and Rahms ARE NOT my own, and they bear no resemblence to the men and women I am proud to work with. We have no use for anyone that didn't have the balls to do the right thing because they owed, feared or wanted something form some scumbag politician. Especially any of the Daley clan. RMD did everything he could to destroy this dept. He pissed on us and our fallen every day he was in office. He and his cronies pissed away our pension and our futures. If any one of these guys tried to protect Vaneko or Daley they should hang in the wind for they ARE NOT our own. """"
I have nothing but admiration for you. Having the fortitude to say "no" when offered clout connected promotions and choice spots. Not every copper is moral enough to cease pounding a BT car in 7 cause they dont want to lower themselves to using their juice.
Then with the nephew of "God" on the chopping block you would have the balls to piss off the most powerful political blocks in this corrupt shit hole. I nominate you for saint hood. Or at least would if you had ever done what you yap about.
My guess is your another blue shirt like me that never had anything go your way and the Dept. shit on you, as it did me, every chance it got for the smallest infractions. Thats why most wish ill on these guys. Because the Dept. is phoney Balogney.
But its the wrong reason to. Most of all if the Boss has a reputation of not hurting other coppers like DW does. Just cause someones got juice doesnt make him "not" one of us.
It must have been a real horseshit position to be in. Ya'know weve all "sold our souls" at some point in our careers.
3/06/2014 06:15:00 PM,
3/06/2014 06:30:00 PM,
What's a matter, little brain? Still pissed you didn't make exempt? Lay off that extra bowl of nasty in the morning before you blow a gasket.
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