Some People Just Don't Get It
Touching on a few of the comments left in the "Wait...We Worked...For Free?" post yesterday:
- We're routinely deleting the nonsense about "scabs" and "VRI whores" now. We've explained the definition of scab, and very few people are in any position to dictate how/why people spend their days off working extra - the opportunity is there, do what you will.
Then we have a few like these:
- Expel them from the union? You're nuts.
- Yeah SCC... Let me give up $300 to "punish" the city... And then get dumped by the FOP? Does that mean I get to keep my dues? Win/Win
Well. let's see - you've already given up the $300 to the city. They aren't paying you for 30 days. What if the next fuck-up is remedied in 60 days? 90 days? When is enough enough? When does the city live by the rules that you are expected to follow without fail? Remember, if you fail, you have to pay with comp time or a suspension, and in very short order.
As to the expulsion threat, how would you do it? This department has become splintered. It's been said here for years - no one sticks together. Everyone has their own interests, we get that. However, when something like this comes up, something that the city could use (is using?) in a less than benevolent manner to fuck with people, there has to be a line drawn somewhere. This is the perfect opportunity to draw that line and get everyone on board. How else do you enforce "party discipline" on the rank-and-file? The only thing stopping us is us, so why not force the issue?
As to the expulsion threat, how would you do it? This department has become splintered. It's been said here for years - no one sticks together. Everyone has their own interests, we get that. However, when something like this comes up, something that the city could use (is using?) in a less than benevolent manner to fuck with people, there has to be a line drawn somewhere. This is the perfect opportunity to draw that line and get everyone on board. How else do you enforce "party discipline" on the rank-and-file? The only thing stopping us is us, so why not force the issue?
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
64 Comments:
yep. VRI, cancelled days off Ill take it all. Ive got three kids. Two in Catholic High School and one in Catholic grammar school. So far tuition has been paid by VRI, court and cancelled days off. I hate to be away from the family but we still make good time, especially when im on furlough and we take some of the extra cash and travel quite a bit. Scabs??? Stick together?? No thanks, its about my family and kids getting a good education. They come first, not boner coppers who are bitter and cry about anything. Yes, im not afraid to admit it... me me me me me me me. Bring on the VRI and overtime, im in!!!!
All well and good, but what's in it for ME?
Fortunately, I don't live paycheck to paycheck, so 30 days is no big deal... Secondly, if the FOP or you SCC can find me a better paying gig than $55 an hour to be a "seated scarecrow", let me know and I'll sign up to teach the city a lesson... Until then, NO THANKS...
No one should sign up for VRI!
Hey SCC...we are pretty good at busting on our fellow officers, how about an open post to say thank you to those that help us out? We only have each other right? Just a thought...
"No VRI in August or July!"
The line needs to be drawn, but too many will cross that line, making it ineffective.
I think it pertains to the people with less time on the job that are fed up of not having a chance to grab a piece of the wealth that overtime can't provide to those with less senority or those that can not get activity in units and are skipped upon for that reason and have to wait for some "BS" supplemental. I feel that these are the people being upset about this whole vri whore shit. Can't blame them either earning senority is one thing but being the same senority people getting all the overtime available is another and should be spread all little bit better throughout the department to share. That's how I look at it! Just voicing my opinion. Those who say well I earned it, just remember when your in need of help, that those same guys or girls with less senority will be the ones to help you weather you've earned it or not. So, what im saying learn how to look out for each other as well and not just ME...ME....ME...attitude. these overtime programs do segregate all of us in a way.
Just answer your calls, nothing more.
Don't be greedy. Volunteer at least 8 hours of free time to working for the city 3 or 4 times a month.
And you expect us all to get together How??? As long as there are people in spots that only work 6 hour days, and/or set their own hours, nobody's getting together on anything.
Worried about $300 dollars?
Yet we wonder how many of you give the Federal and state government free use of your money by using the income tax system as a means of a forced savings plan.
I'll bet that for the ones that do the dollar figure is well north of $300 dollars too.
You know, let them take out more income taxes than you really owe so that you can have a tax refund at the end of the year.
Too lazy or perhaps ignorant to file a new W-4 withholding form to adjust your tax deductions appropriately.
What makes you think that you're gonna get you income tax refunds in a timely manner IF AT ALL.
These people are BANKRUPT. You don't allow people that have shown they are unwilling or unable to handle money hold your money. ARE YOU NUTS!
Look at what they've done with
the pension money.
"The Brotherhood"...ha. Everyman for themselves. Hoo-ray for me ( I got mine) and eff you.
The city uses are greed against us.
We often forget that many officers live check to check and manage money like teenagers.
Multiple vacations a year,Private schools,boats,Harleys,and Houses to expensive for their salary.
The FOP Could expel members and i believe it would be fair. The city will use officers like "scabs" with the carrot of O.T.
You see the post often nobody is going to pay me 60-70$ an hour to sit down.
2013 and 2014 vri will cost the city around 200 million dollars--- if it was pensionable it would have added roughly 20 million to the pension fund--- this is a drop in the bucket to the estimated 9 billion unfunded liability the police pension is currently faced with--- the city's operating budget is around 3 billion a year--- taken in context, we have bigger things to worry about than chastising a couple hundred guys a day who work vri....
I don't believe the clerical error crap,,,,,,they do it because they know they can get away with it and collect interest for another 30 days,,,,,that money adds up.
Divide and conquer has worked for Mayor Emmanuel and Superintendent McCarthy so far.
Don O'Neil in Management and Labor Affairs routinely violates the contract at the expense of officers. This is done at the Mayor's bidding also. If the copper catches it and grieves, they are only made whole. There is never a penalty so why wouldn't the City do it?
Don O'Neil, you should be ashamed for your part in this.
So..anyways,
Hey, how about a social media #hashtag event with a
#GiveUsOurPensionMoneyThatYouPromised tag.
or perhaps a
#PayUsOurOvertimeWeEarned tag
Think you'll see any politicians wives with selfies with a sad and sour look on their faces to win the "hearts and minds." while holding up that sign? I doubt it.
However, if we all use our kids and families to hold-up the hand written #hashtag cards we can control the election time message.
Madigan, Burke, Rahm and all the rest may be able to play their dirty tricks and evil schemes. Evil things like keeping new rules on term limits off the election ballots.
BUT THEY CANNOT KEEP THEM OFF SOCIAL MEDIA..AT LEAST NOT YET.
Pay us what you promised. It's for our children.
As you work yet another one of your days off sitting in the ghetto watching another movie, eating another greasy fried meal destined to clog another artery, remember that money comes and goes as does all the material things in this life. Time is the only thing we can never get back, so spend it wisely.
Financial responsibility is not something very common amongst chicago police officers. VRI is the answer for those who refuse to love within their means. When VRI ceases to exist, watch for the rate of foreclosures and repossessed cars to skyrocket.
I too work all the vri, court and ot i can for my family. My wife and kids come first and i will keep working to better ouselves(i.e. tuition, retirement and vacations).
Cannot levy punitive damages against a municipality unless you can prove it was a result of an express or implied policy. Minnelli. Won't happen...just the way the cookie crumbles.
I would give up vri if everyone would band together. Social media now could be the key for us to get on the same page.
True, we need to stick together and stop bashing each other. Lets stop the name calling and finger pointing. Yes, there are people who rely on VRI special. A failed school system requires private education which costs money. Property taxes are generated in excess of truly working class areas. For those who don’t pay and refuse to pay their utilities, their medical expenses and pay any of their bills, an added “recovery” cost is factored in to be paid by the working class who actually pay everyone else’s freight. Why does an aspirin cost $30 at the E.R.? You pay for all those who received free treatment. Some one must bear the cost of the freebees. Saul Alinsky, the crown jewel of the radicals, would be proud we are divided by the ruling class. Divide and then conquer. Lets focus on the real enemies of the working class and not each other. If the city ws only as good as collecting money as it is paying its bills...
If you got kids in Catholic schools own a home and live a luxurious life style then thats on you and maybe you need to stop living pay check to pay check and be home with your family. Your paycheck is not your way of being a father being there for your kids more often to parent is worth more then providing just a paycheck!
The city uses are greed against us.
We often forget that many officers live check to check and manage money like teenagers.
Multiple vacations a year,Private schools,boats,Harleys,and Houses to expensive for their salary.
The FOP Could expel members and i believe it would be fair. The city will use officers like "scabs" with the carrot of O.T.
Quit worrying about others and their priorities and how they manage their money. None of your business on what type of house they want to live in or what school they want to send their kids to. Mind your own business.
If I want to go on a vacation and ride a Harley, its none of your concern.
And FOP can't and shouldn't be able to do anything.
Is it ok with you if I go have a beer and a cigar on my boat?
I think it pertains to the people with less time on the job that are fed up of not having a chance to grab a piece of the wealth that overtime can't provide to those with less senority or those that can not get activity in units and are skipped upon for that reason and have to wait for some "BS" supplemental. I feel that these are the people being upset about this whole vri whore shit.
So I should worry about po's with less seniority AND are in a unit that can't get activity. Like the front office po's with less than 5 years on the job and I should share the OT. Yea right, the ones who can't work the watch because they need SS off, but sure would be able to work it for OT.
Yep, I lose alot of sleep over that.
yep. VRI, cancelled days off Ill take it all. Ive got three kids. Two in Catholic High School and one in Catholic grammar school. So far tuition has been paid by VRI, court and cancelled days off. I hate to be away from the family but we still make good time, especially when im on furlough and we take some of the extra cash and travel quite a bit. Scabs??? Stick together?? No thanks, its about my family and kids getting a good education. They come first, not boner coppers who are bitter and cry about anything. Yes, im not afraid to admit it... me me me me me me me. Bring on the VRI and overtime, im in!!!!
Great response to the whiners. Why should you be chastised because you want to give your kids a good education. If you didn't have VRI you would be away from home twice as much because you would be working for #25 an hr instead of $55
yep. VRI, cancelled days off Ill take it all. Ive got three kids. Two in Catholic High School and one in Catholic grammar school
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Sucker.
My kids went to da public school.
They get extra points to get hired sooner on the job and will be YOUR kids bosses one day.
5/25/2014 10:06:00 AM Don Oneil does not give one shit about us coppers. He will smile while he is standing in front of you pushing the dagger in. He is a real POS and I doubt he would ever fell ashamed of himself. You have to have self respect to be able to feel shame.
One way no deal Oneil
What some people won't do for captain bars and a gold star , how do they look in the mirror , cowards .
It's not like the days before the union when your days off could be switched right before your weekends or when all your time due was wiped away or when you worked overtime for straight time etc etc. At that time we came together now everyone is out for themselves. Previous posts mention how the city gets away with breaking the contract and breaking State and Federal laws well maybe a time has come where the police and it's union should break the contract, State and Federal laws. Think of Chicago in July and August with little or no police on regular shifts or VRI. You can still keep your Harley, boat, summer home, house and catholic tuitions along with your dignity, pride and the set of balls you were born with if you show some resistance just enough to wake people up.
Agree with scc 100% on this one. Nothing happens with consequences of the cities actions of lack of police hiring until the fop membership sticks together and basically ties the cities hands together on this issue. Because a few hundred bucks is being waved in front of us, we are used as puppets and the city can get away with not hiring a 1,000 + cops. Bills, bills, bills. Believe it or not there is more to life than this job. Enjoy your alone time or enjoy your family. Don't let this city rob you of your life and health. You and your family come first. Or as predicted take the check and spend it the day you cash it but don't complain when you can't get time due for an important life event or why no one can back you up on a job because the manpower is depleted indefinitely
The rats are coming out in droves! I'm tellin ya. I'm not even gonna be able to take a 2 hr lunch!
yep. VRI, cancelled days off Ill take it all. Ive got three kids. Two in Catholic High School and one in Catholic grammar school. So far tuition has been paid by VRI, court and cancelled days off. I hate to be away from the family but we still make good time, especially when im on furlough and we take some of the extra cash and travel quite a bit. Scabs??? Stick together?? No thanks, its about my family and kids getting a good education. They come first, not boner coppers who are bitter and cry about anything. Yes, im not afraid to admit it... me me me me me me me. Bring on the VRI and overtime, im in!!!!
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Hate to say it but amen. This dept is divided in two. The dog complaining mutts who think everything is owed to then. Then the guys who like having a job, others who work and those who are regular guys who are not miserable.
Nice thought SCC but reading all the comments on this post just shows everyone, including the city, just how united we are. Doomed.
Having waited my turn seniority wise, I have little sympathy for junior officers not getting OT, special, VRI, or decent "spots."
Myself, I work CHA a few times a month and that's it. The funny thing is, with almost 28 years on I can not regularly get the 14:00 hr start time I prefer for CHA Central...that's the way it is and has been and I don't cry about it.
It wasn't too long ago that all of the Special Employment was strictly seniority, ie. if you had the seniority you got all the days you wanted. That system made everyone need more time-on to get Special. So the city has spread the wealth...a little.
Looking out for each other went out the door when we stopped rotating watches.
To the junior guys, find some off the book side-jobs, which was the norm 25 years ago, and before you know it you'll have the time for Special.
Really??? So guys want to make side money and everyone wants to hang them. we will never see the number of officers we had years ago. Get over it. How about decreasing OCD to levels of seven or eight years ago, how about stopping the addition of more area saturation teams. The Officers are there, just not enough in patrol.
Hey, if you are paying for two kids in catholic high school and one in catholic grammar school expect to pay for three kids, going to college. No aid for you. You make too much money.
Think about reading to your little kid and keeping the bigger ones out of trouble. They need a dad, not just a paycheck.
Multiple vacations a year,Private schools,boats,Harleys,and Houses to expensive for their salary.
The FOP Could expel members and i believe it would be fair. The city will use officers like "scabs" with the carrot of O.T.
You see the post often nobody is going to pay me 60-70$ an hour to sit down
Shut the fuk up! your like the crazy rant about the po crossing guard supervisors Hate the game not the players
Don ONeil is a straight up jag off liar!
"Hate to say it but amen. This dept is divided in two. The dog complaining mutts who think everything is owed to then. Then the guys who like having a job, others who work and those who are regular guys who are not miserable.
5/25/2014 04:22:00 PM"
There are two Depts, the Political where incompetent criminals are continually rewarded,& The Police Dept which in spite of the obstacles perform admirably day in & day out. Obviously you fall in the politicos category, Stroke.
This dept is divided in two. The dog complaining mutts who think everything is owed to then. Then the guys who like having a job, others who work and those who are regular guys who are not miserable.
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And 90% of the job is half mental(s).
It is hilarious that a ban on VRI is even being discussed. Everyone listen to me right now. A BAN ON VRI WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER HAPPEN. Stop even saying this is an option. As a whole, the membership of the CPD has never been, nor never will, united on ANY topic, let alone one that puts easy $$$$$ in our pockets be it VRI VRE or whatever nonsense unit is calling it these days. Focus on uniting on fighting for pension issues, outstanding contract, lack of manpower, etc... Get your fucking shit straight
Two in Catholic High School and one in Catholic grammar
Enjoy what you pay for Don't be bitter about your choices. You could be bagging at Dominick or Jewels
The new FOP admin is the last group to do anything about it.
This is nothing new, what was it about 30 years ago those coppers were severely injured in the car accident working CHA? The union asked the membership not to work any special and it went nowhere, so why should it be any different now?
They get extra points to get hired sooner on the job and will be YOUR kids bosses one day.
&&&&&&&&&. Sorry but my kids will never work for a city job or be the police.. I've made that clear to them and they agree.. My kids strive for greater goals than to become the police or work for the city... Maybe you should push your kids to do something better like I do mine... Let's not forget the real prizes that work on this dept and city... It's not saying too much about who they take.. But good for your public school points, your kids will get to be the police... I guess that's cool????
"When does the city live by the rules that you are expected to follow without fail?"
Those rules, General Orders, Special Orders, Department Notices are for YOU to follow, not the Department/City.
You will be the only one who stands to lose anything should you fail to adhere to them, not the city.
rb
No more teaching children about the greater good. We have come so far from our parents/grandparents "Greatest Generation". It is sad to think about. It is scary when you think about the future and how we will deal with world wide evil, and when we have to face it and do something about it.
Will this Country still have it in us? Something to ponder on this Memorial Day.
Anonymous said...
yep. VRI, cancelled days off Ill take it all. Ive got three kids. Two in Catholic High School and one in Catholic grammar school. So far tuition has been paid by VRI, court and cancelled days off. I hate to be away from the family but we still make good time, especially when im on furlough and we take some of the extra cash and travel quite a bit. Scabs??? Stick together?? No thanks, its about my family and kids getting a good education. They come first, not boner coppers who are bitter and cry about anything. Yes, im not afraid to admit it... me me me me me me me. Bring on the VRI and overtime, im in!!!!
How many copper's kids are little jagoffs with no parental guidance? Your never home while providing for your family. Your wife is busy spending and your kids are hanging out with their well educated friends being assholes in the nice over priced neighborhood. That's o.k. All the other coppers are just picking on your little darlings because they are jealous of your wealth! Some people need to wake the fuck up!
Civilians or police officers now on duty disability pensions should work inside , not sworn police officers .
BOTTOM LINE:
If the city hired 1000 extra officers and they all paid 9% into the pension, IT STILL WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH.
The city has to and should have come up with the MILLIONS that they were told to put in the fund over the past 30 plus years.
In the meantime, YOU BETTER be working VRI or whatever it takes to MAX OUT in deferred comp and other retirement plans or you will be screwed no matter what!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is nothing new, what was it about 30 years ago those coppers were severely injured in the car accident working CHA? The union asked the membership not to work any special and it went nowhere, so why should it be any different now?
5/26/2014 12:06:00 AM
Probably had more to do with who the DRIVER of that car was, than anything else.
Lift residence and we will live within our means. Workkng all the overtime is how one lives with the expensive city of Chicago. The burbs have better high schools and offer better for all those who live within. In Chicago all it's taxes go to the areas who don't and won't ever work to support them selves so our tax money all goes to them. Bash us for working vri....you do what's best for you and we will do what's best for us and keep your opinions to your self!
Boycott various for one period during summer. Pos that don't go along kick them outta fop.
Just work it and do whatever you want with the money. Who the F are you to tell another adult what to do with their $$. I have always worked side jobs or special and still found time to spend with wife, kids & maintain great friendships with guys I met on the job and lifelong buddies. I've coached my kids and still volunteer at their (Catholic) schools. Been married twenty years and no complaints. Great wife and great kids. I do work alot but that's ok. Never too tired to spend quality time with the family or go out and watch a game with the fellas while throwing back a few cold ones. Have fun, provide for the family,period that's it. Kids need things and so do we to keep our sanity and things aren't cheap. Make your time and a half or whatever,save as well but most of all enjoy life with your family and friends. That's just my philosophy,yours might be different but mine works for me.
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A few years ago before my partner and myself retired, he began working special for the last 3 years of his career. He didn't work special prior. He enjoyed working the airport. The people that bitched the most at him were single and didn't know where misdemeanor court was. I used to remind them that for the first 6 years he was on the job he, had no union, and overtime was tougher. Another friend who did the same thing with 40 years, got bounced out one day for a guy with 41 years. Now that was funny!
The more I work VRI the more my wife jacks up the credit card!
Rahm is laughing his balls off reading this!
Keep up the good work!
Dean would rather handle things with a phone call and no paper trail. It saves time and money. Wake up everyone!
See SCC no political muscle.
Officers bragging about kids in Catholic schools.
I guess school teacher don't have kids.
Oh i work so hard and seniority is so important screw everyone???
My family yadda yadda yadda...
Let me guess
credit cards maxed out
2 car payment with 5 year loans on cars worth less than your car.
still paying PMI on your mortgage
gym membership that is rarely used
Have not put a dime to the side for your kids college.
I listen you at roll call im the guy next to you smiling.
When i was in Catholic school on 63rd and Western i was taught don't work harder work smarter.
Let me guess you have less than a month salary savings?
You have under 100 hours comp time on the books?
You have no idea what your interest rate is on any of your deferred comp. investments?
So no don't listen and keep working VRI you are my IDOL.
"How else do you enforce 'party discipline' on the rank-and-file?"
Ask Xi Jinping.
Anonymous said...
"The more I work VRI the more my wife jacks up the credit card!"
5/26/2014 02:51:00 PM
Sooooo...
Take the damn thing from her and tell her "No!"
What's the worst thing she can do?
Get mad and leave you?
Pretty sad when your wife is fighting against you.
You might be yet another copper who gets "blindsided" with divorce papers and back-breaking alimony demands right when you start thinking retirement.
See SCC no political muscle.
Officers bragging about kids in Catholic schools.
I guess school teacher don't have kids.
Oh i work so hard and seniority is so important screw everyone???
My family yadda yadda yadda...
Let me guess
credit cards maxed out
2 car payment with 5 year loans on cars worth less than your car.
still paying PMI on your mortgage
gym membership that is rarely used
Have not put a dime to the side for your kids college.
I listen you at roll call im the guy next to you smiling.
When i was in Catholic school on 63rd and Western i was taught don't work harder work smarter.
Let me guess you have less than a month salary savings?
You have under 100 hours comp time on the books?
You have no idea what your interest rate is on any of your deferred comp. investments?
So no don't listen and keep working VRI you are my IDOL.
5/26/2014 10:32:00 PM
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Easy there killer. I have no PMI. I have equity in my house. I refinanced my house when the rates were incredibly low. My cars are paid off, except for my sport car that I drive to the car wash once in a while. I am enrolled in a respectable graduate program and I am taking advantage of the Tuition Reimbursement program. So, I agree; people have to work smarter. I have not worked a day of VRI.
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