Talk to Us! Please!
- A month after Nanci Koschman filed a federal lawsuit accusing the Chicago Police Department of botching the investigation into her son’s death in order to protect a nephew of former Mayor Richard M. Daley, the department sent a letter to one of her lawyers.
Would she talk with internal affairs investigators, the department wanted to know, about the death of her son David Koschman?
The police last spoke with her 10 years ago, after her son died from a punch thrown by Daley nephew Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko — one of only two times the police spoke with her.
Seriously? Does anyone think IAD is going to hold someone responsible? Does anyone seriously believe that any sort of discipline is going to stick? There were way too many big feet, big hands and big calls involved on this one to adequately lay blame.
The system failed, there's no other way to put it. It failed due to the direct and indirect interference of merit appointees, clout spots, political expedience and a "don't rock Daley's boat" thinking.
It isn't that IAD doesn't want to place the blame somewhere - it's just that they can't. It isn't even possible to point at any single instance or person and say, "That's where the buck stops. That's who is to blame." It can't be done. Mrs. Koschman is better off letting her lawyers do all the talking from now on.
The system failed, there's no other way to put it. It failed due to the direct and indirect interference of merit appointees, clout spots, political expedience and a "don't rock Daley's boat" thinking.
It isn't that IAD doesn't want to place the blame somewhere - it's just that they can't. It isn't even possible to point at any single instance or person and say, "That's where the buck stops. That's who is to blame." It can't be done. Mrs. Koschman is better off letting her lawyers do all the talking from now on.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
41 Comments:
IAD opens up a CR automatically on every lawsuit filed against an officer. Good attorney's will never have their client participate with an investigation. That's usually how it plays out. They save everything for the civil depositions that follow.
If the Dets, LT, commander etc all did their jobs instead of stonewalling and taking files homes in the hopes of denying access to the files, the case would have been properly investigated, arrest made and timely trial convened.
I said it before and I'll say it again. The chain went down like this: a call went from...
Mike Masters - former Asst to the Mayor for Public Safety. Now head of the Cook County Emergency Management. Who called...
Phil Cline - Former Supt of Police. Now head of Chicago Police Memorial Fund. Who called...
Hiriam Grau - deputy Supt of Investigations. Now the Director of the Illinois State Police and former Deputy Director of Cook County States Attorney Investigations. (Remember Anita Alvarez wanted the State Police to handle the investigation, knowing her former employee Hiriam would KILL the investigation). Who called...
Chief of Detectives. Who called...
Commander of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
The Lieutenant of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
The Sgt of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
His men from the Area 3 detectives
So the BIG SHOES ARE MASTERS, CLINE, GRAU.
The news tonight said IAD wants to talk to her, but she's already told them - through her attorney - she won't be talking with them.
Let the civil court figure this one out...so far the court of public opinion has brought the case this far..even though its been 10 long years. If the case went the 'natural' way, the outcome might have been very different for so many involved.
Off Topic: Hope Gov. Quinn vetos the Emanuel bill which will lower City Retiree's pensions and raise City Property Taxes.
Some people are just to big and to important to be messed with, no matter what they may have done. They are beyond the law.
I know the dicks are short and their case load is increasing but a 10 year wait just to be interviewed for a follow up? That's excessive even by CPD's fucked up standards.
Walsh Walsh Walsh...... Oops, I meant blah, blah, blah.
As much as I hate lawyers, I have to agree that they are the only ones here who can give the mother any satisfaction.
Anyone who has ever worked in IAD, and who has even a bit of integrity, will tell you how the system works, how it is influenced and how it is rigged.
Just Us
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I said it before and I'll say it again. The chain went down like this: a call went from...
Mike Masters - former Asst to the Mayor for Public Safety. Now head of the Cook County Emergency Management. Who called...
Phil Cline - Former Supt of Police. Now head of Chicago Police Memorial Fund. Who called...
Hiriam Grau - deputy Supt of Investigations. Now the Director of the Illinois State Police and former Deputy Director of Cook County States Attorney Investigations. (Remember Anita Alvarez wanted the State Police to handle the investigation, knowing her former employee Hiriam would KILL the investigation). Who called...
Chief of Detectives. Who called...
Commander of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
The Lieutenant of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
The Sgt of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
His men from the Area 3 detectives
So the BIG SHOES ARE MASTERS, CLINE, GRAU.
6/03/2014 12:42:00 AM
That;s enough to make Phat Phil Cline hungry for a prime steak dinner. Gibsons, Ruths Chris, watch out, a hungry big man is a'coming over to graze.
Hey, isn't it about time for Phil Cline to get a raise over there at CPD Memorial? He's been scratching out some supplemental retirement income there on a measly $130,000 or so a year. (plus his $130,000 a year pension) The man needs a Cost of Living increase; or maybe in Phil's case, a cost of prime beef increase. ...hey, pass the A1 sauce, will you?
This is a genius move by the city. At the civil trial they can claim that they tried to interview her and she refused. So how could they have conducted a thorough investigation if she won't cooperate?
Almost $20,000,000.00 spent on defending all those involved in this cover up. Looks like the city is doubling down on NOT pursuing any form of discipline against these officers who covered up a murder for the Daley crime family. Bravo guys, well done, you sold your soul, no you gotta live with it.
"It failed due to the direct and indirect interference of merit appointees, clout spots, political expedience and a "don't rock Daley's boat" thinking."
That statement sums up AREA 3 perfectly
I doubt that any of the retirees on the list are worried about a CR. However they are worried about punitive damages. That settlement last week where officers were required to pay punitive damages had to be unpleasant news for everyone on that list.
Walsh and Dean the Dream should be made "Examples" by suspension , 30 days pending. Rule violations were clearly and blatantly shown. Removal of evidence from a police facility to interfere with an investigation; forget 30 days, Walsh should be indicted. But because these guys are "wired", the tax-payers will pay millions and these guys will walk away with pensions, because they know too much.
So the BIG SHOES ARE MASTERS, CLINE, GRAU.
6/03/2014 12:42:00 AM
You forgot Kirby.
as a working no clout po i not going to blame any of bosses , or the det involved as far as im concerned they are good people and fellow officers, remember the kid and his friends had been smoking weed and drinking all night , he started the fight and lost rjv would had been better off remaining on the scene and telling his side of the story, but regardless mom and the attorney are looking at $$ instead of blaming the kid, had this been the hood it would had been a 19p
Anonymous said...
I know the dicks are short and their case load is increasing but a 10 year wait just to be interviewed for a follow up? That's excessive even by CPD's fucked up standards.
6/03/2014 03:18:00 AM
Whose dicks are you calling short! Man, that's low!
The pathetic part is even though the city has at it's disposal the city's largest law firm, the City of Chicago Corporation Counsel. It's still farms out millions to outside law firms, as noted in this article. Why isn't that ever reported? Are the city's own lawyers just a bunch of connected mediocre attorneys who can't make it in the competitive legal world? Or is this more pinstripe patronage ?
This is bullshit on IAD's part...
Just a "fact finding" mission to see what she knows and when she knew it so they can pass it on to try and queer the civil precedings,
This might be where we see some fun stuff like Anita Alvarez stripped of immunity and exposed to great financial and legal peril?
Just wait until they depose the former Chief of Detectives Maria Maher, she will give everybody up.
Everyone involved got put in a horrible spot. Speak up and you'll likely suffer massive fallout from the machine. But nobody did speak up, and now the entire department looks like a bunch of daley fudge packing supporters who want to protect him. Hard to imagine not one person went to IAD with what they knew and had this all documented. Document, document, document. Your only life-saver should the music stop and you be standing without a chair. Let em have it Nancy, prayers to you and your family. To all the cops who had nothing to do with this, most civilians do not hold you responsible.
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Now IAD can classify the CR as Not Sustained due to complainant's lack of cooperation. iAD will wash their hands and say WE are clear. Jack Muller where are you!
I bet all the money in the world, the lower ranking Detectives will have to bite the bullet! The main player masters, cline, grau, and dennis will walk away untouched, they have to much juice. Kinda like a police mafia.
I only wonder how many more case they covered up, we will never know the full truth.
Glad I only got 18 months till retirement.
"It isn't that IAD doesn't want to place the blame somewhere . . . "
You're giving them too much credit. They don't always play by the rules either
What Mrs. Koschman wants is money. It's what she and her lawyers wanted all along.
everybody is blaming the CPD what about the idiot kid who was smoking weed ,and drunk and started the fight. and the idiot rjv and his drunken hillybilly canareyville friends,
Anonymous said...
"What Mrs. Koschman wants is money. It's what she and her lawyers wanted all along."
6/03/2014 01:53:00 PM
Sayeth the brazen whore sucking outlandish dick through the confessional window...
An extra large order of FUCK YOU and a side of fries to go with that.
Why SHOULDN'T this woman be compensated?
Every rotten, clouted, cock-sucking, Police impersonating, pension & paycheck stealing son and daughter of a bitch in this sad and sorry shit-show whose default setting was "Protect Daley At All Costs" should get sent to the fucking gallows to hang for their collusion.
That goes for CPD exempts and the State's Attorney's Office.
The other crying fucking shame is that the taxpayers will be on the horns for the bulk of the settlement.
True justice would be having the Daley Inc. Democratic machine (Yes... The Chicago & Cook County Democratic apparatus) blown the fuck up and it's assess liquidated to make Mrs. Koschman whole...
At this point in the game, why the fuck not?
These assholes have inflicted many times their body weight in misery on this city.
What Mrs. Koschman wants is money. It's what she and her lawyers wanted all along.
6/03/2014 01:53:00 PM
I believe she'd rather have her son. By the way, you are an asshole.
I said it before and I'll say it again. The chain went down like this: a call went from...
Mike Masters - former Asst to the Mayor for Public Safety. Now head of the Cook County Emergency Management. Who called...
Phil Cline - Former Supt of Police. Now head of Chicago Police Memorial Fund. Who called...
Hiriam Grau - deputy Supt of Investigations. Now the Director of the Illinois State Police and former Deputy Director of Cook County States Attorney Investigations. (Remember Anita Alvarez wanted the State Police to handle the investigation, knowing her former employee Hiriam would KILL the investigation). Who called...
Chief of Detectives. Who called...
Commander of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
The Lieutenant of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
The Sgt of Area 3 Detectives. Who called...
His men from the Area 3 detectives
So the BIG SHOES ARE MASTERS, CLINE, GRAU.
6/03/2014 12:42:00 AM
Your timeline is all fucked up. Area 5 handled it when Masters and Peterson were around. Grau was the Deputy when Area 3 handled it. Glad to hear you said it before and you'll say it again. What's next? Teddy Roosevelt invaded Iraq?
Mike Masters - former Asst to the Mayor for Public Safety. Now head of the Cook County Emergency Management. Who called...
Masters mr.terrorism right Zero experience there too But Wait He'll be back when Precwinky
become mayor and Hamilton will come along on his knees
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is a genius move by the city. At the civil trial they can claim that they tried to interview her and she refused. So how could they have conducted a thorough investigation if she won't cooperate?
6/03/2014 08:45:00 AM
They already conducted their investigations. Two of them. This is no 'genius move'; it's standard operating procedure.
Is Masters still a Chicago Cop?
FOIA ME hears his USMC buds took care of him
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Almost $20,000,000.00 spent on defending all those involved in this cover up. Looks like the city is doubling down on NOT pursuing any form of discipline against these officers who covered up a murder for the Daley crime family. Bravo guys, well done, you sold your soul, no you gotta live with it.
6/03/2014 09:14:00 AM
Reading comprehension is clearly not your strength. $20 million was not spent on 'defending all those involve in this cover up". That figure has nothing to do with this case - it's for past cases and legal work.
Anyone criticizing the mother should be ashamed. The brass broke the law and ran out the clock on the statute of limitations. Now all she could do to the dirty cops is bankrupt them. I hope she wins BIGTIME.
Why is Dean still holding his job? He should be off the job on his way to jail along with the rest of the triple merit hacks!!!!
I love seeing the idiots who comment on the post who know nothing about the issue to which they are commenting.
The cover up began with the initial investigation. All those involved who are currently employed were asked to re open the investigation and see if something was missed.
The so-called cover up began with initial investigators and state's attorney's, not with those who are currently employed.
All of you who are commenting about those which are currently employed are just showing your lack of information and ignorance...
To10:24am. The city's law dept is the 7th largest law firm in Chicago.
Why would she want to speak with IAD or the CPD. Its been 10 years and speaking to them now cannot benefit her in any way, can only hurt her.
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