Here We Go Again
- The fatal shooting of an unarmed black 19-year-old by a white police officer, who authorities say fired after he was assaulted, prompted protesters Saturday to take to the college town's streets with chants of "Black Lives Matter." The city's police chief said he understood the anger, assuring demonstrators his department would defend their rights as he implored the community to act with restraint.
Tony Robinson died Friday night after being shot in his apartment following a confrontation with Officer Matt Kenny, who had forced his way inside after hearing a disturbance while responding to a call, authorities and neighbors said.
Madison Police Chief Mike Koval said Kenny was injured, but didn't provide details. It wasn't clear whether Robinson, who died at a hospital, was alone.
The usual rush to judgement by the willfully ignorant masses who have decided police lives don't matter. It came out almost immediately that the deceased had been convicted and served time for a home invasion - not exactly the gentlest of crimes. Let the investigation run its course.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Maybe some things are so serious and so black and white that they don't require a lengthy investigation. Enough is known almost immediately to seek instant justice and to convene a people's court. This may be such a case.
Hands up, don't shoot. I can't breathe. Black lives matter. Hoodies and skittles....yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah. I propose a new rule. When a call comes out regarding a trayvon martin/michael brown type, or the fat guy in New York, the police should just decline going. Fuck it. You can't win. Let the "protestors" deal with their own. They say it takes a village? Let the village deal with them.
Don't be surprised if you hear that performing Home Invasions is just a "rite of passage" in the community.
He may have done something in the past, but he paid his debt to society for that. He had turned his life around and intended to go to college.
Here's what I know.
The suspect: 19 year old high school graduate convicted a few months ago of party to the crime of armed robbery which was a home invasion. A shotgun was used. Kid had been posting weird shit on social media lately.
The incident: call of a battery on Williamson Street on Madison's east side. Then dispatch says suspect is strangling another man. About 20 second later shots fired broadcast. Not much in other details. Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation took over case per state law.
The officer: Good cop, actually well liked in the community. Was involved in prior shooting -- suicide by cop.
The department: Mad City is an isthmus surrounded by reality but despite this it's a good agency with a lot of good people. Obviously not a traditional conservative agency. Very community oriented. The chief is new on the job and extremely well-liked. He was promoted from Sergeant after turning down promotions in the past because he wanted to work with the troops and that would take him away. MAPD is a different agency but then Mad City is a different town.
So far they have been able to keep the lid on anything getting out of hand but people in Madison demonstrate for the sake of demonstrating so it's an art form.
The town: Here's the problem. Unless you work for Oscar Mayer, you work for the state, the university or one of the businesses feeding off of them. Mechanics have degrees and secretaries. With Wisconsin's welfare magnet the population of minorities began growing and all of the sudden a peaceful town inherits "urban problems" and some formerly good neighborhoods that are war zones by Madison's standards. In short, if you're unskilled, there's few places to go.
This will be interesting. MAPD is heavily involved in the community and the usual whining will be attempted but may not get very far.
Those on the left are bored and will jump on any wagon as long as it gives them something to do. You have to remember a vast majority on the left are white upper middle class who never really had to work for anything in their life. They are looking for something o fill a void in their lives, they feel guilty because they never got their hands dirty and have no war stories. This is it for them, it's sad but true. As for the ghetto folk their in the same position bored and never worked for anything what else have they got to do?
Get out the popcorn and watch the liberal left make fools of themselves by acting like a bunch of spoiled 4 year olds.
Expect rev Al and Jesse to show up and shake down some folks for "donations"
It's Madison, Wisconsin. Would you expect different?
Until some people are help accountable, they will continue on their path of destruction.
He was a gentle home invader. Just because he was trying to attack a police officer doesn't mean he had to die.
He could have been the president, but his life was cut short by the police in the midst of his criminal career.
Don't fool yourself! Jagoffs Holder and Obama want a national police force which they can control! There is talk in Lake County by some chiefs that some powers want to strip local law enforcement and make one big county force.
As a Madison native and faithful follower of SCC, I'd like to commend the 3:10 poster for not only providing an accurate summation of the incident itself but the necessary context. Chief Mike Koval was for years the sergeant in charge of recruitment in addition to MPD's pre-service Academy curriculum. He is now thrust onto a national stage, but so far has addressed the concerns of the community in his usual forthright, eloquent manner while remaining protective of his troops. It helps that newly enacted legislation cited by the poster delegates the use of force investigation to Wisconsin DCI.
Situation was a little tense Friday night, protesters attempted to storm the City-County Bldg. which houses not only City Hall but MPD executive offices and the Central District. There are currently rumors that students at two of our local high schools will stage a mass walkout today. I would ask our brothers and sisters in Chicago and elsewhere to keep us in their thoughts as we try our best to navigate uncharted waters.
He may have done something in the past, but he paid his debt to society for that. He had turned his life around and intended to go to college.
3/09/2015 03:06:00 AM
Intended? I'm intending on taking a shit this morning doesn't mean I will.
"Black Lives Matter"...........the facts don't.
Al Sharpton is reported to be going to Madison once the snow there melts away...in July!
Eric Holder start a federal investigation. There's rampant racism in Madison. Has to be because another white policeman has shot and killed an unarmed black man, because black policeman never shoot unarmed black men. NEVER MIND THAT THE POLICEMAN IS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE AS HE BEING UNARMED. That would never happen. Must be racism.
He was on probation for three years and wasn't going to prison so lets fight with the police.
So sick of hearing about this bullcrap. Same song and dance over and over again. Anytime these ghetto low lives get in trouble and wind up in an altercation with police that ends up being fatal to them, they cry racism. If it had gone the other way and the officer was murdered, you would hear nothing except a 30 sec filler piece on the 6pm news. Same circumstances if it had been another male black that had killed him. They hold no value on an officer's life, or his attempt to preserve and protect it. They believe it is the officer who should die in these events, not the individual who precipitates them. This mindset will never change as along as the subculture that glorifies and condones thug life is excused and accepted by liberal social engineers with guilt complexes.
Media loves the words unarmed black man,of course if your unarmed your not a threat and if your 95 yoa with a knife your not going to hurt anyone even though you said you would,the po in Madison was attacked by the unarmed black felon,the po did his job,and of course the media won't talk much about the attack just that the po is white and the felon is black,don't be afraid to do your job,be safe,go home at end of day.
There is no end to this bizarro world, this country is in serious trouble.
Anonymous said...
He may have done something in the past, but he paid his debt to society for that. He had turned his life around and intended to go to college.
3/09/2015 03:06:00 AM
No, he never paid his debt to society, even if you were serious. Liberal Madison judge suspended his sentence. If he had been paying that debt he would still be alive. In prison but alive.
I much prefer asshole dead than a police officer dead or injured.
Blue lives matter the most.
Community activists , race baiters it is time to teach kids without two parents not to commit crimes and not to attack armed police officers
Tell them Police Officers and civilians with CCW permits have a right to live and use deadly force against criminals
I knownot good for the race baiters cause , get married , wait to have children , respect your parents , teachers , police officers , act like a ci lilies human .
Black lives only matter if the police have to defend themselves and have to put down an assailant. If black lives really mattered, they would be protesting every black life that is taken violently. We all well know that is not the case. The hypocrisy of these people is overwhelming.
The only person in Lake County that wants to strip local Police Departments in Lake County of their power is the Under Sheriff in Lake County, Ray Rose.He came from Mundelien PD and wants to be the Sheriff in Lake County. The guy is an ego maniac and stripping all the local PD's of their authority would make this guy the Big Kahuna in Lake County, something that would inflate his ego much more than it already is. The guy is a head hunter and no friend of the Police. He THINKS he is the real deal but what he doesn't realize that he's just another manager of small PD's in the Little League of law enforcement. Put him in the majors and they would eat him alive.
Third shooting recently. I remember madison in the 1980s, an affluent white leftist town that so wanted to be diverse, they actively sought 'welfare refugees' from chicago.
Went back there early 2004 and my my, how that little town has changed. Couldn't have happened to a better group of people.
12:34am
AMEN
Will the president and Holder make statements condemning the officer even before they have all the facts again? Start another riot? Or is it the fact he was black and the officer white the only thing you need to know to make your judgment? There is a poster out there and it says something so scary because it's true. It says "I live in a generation that celebrates the execution of police officers but is offended by the sleep deprivation of terrorists.". If this continues we will be headed towards race riots and an open race war. Either wake up or arm yourself.
Too good to pass up.
As a former madison native, for decades I heard about all the police shooting innocent black people were southerners, rednecks, uneducated, in the klan, etc.
There sure must be a lot southern uneducated redneck klansmen/womyn in the madison police department and supervised by the "good ol boys/womyn" in the power structure of madison.
Or, as liberal/progressives, have they been wrong about this too, all along? They never seem to be right about anything......
Badger Land said...
As a Madison native and faithful follower of SCC, I'd like to commend the 3:10 poster for not only providing an accurate summation of the incident itself but the necessary context. Chief Mike Koval was for years the sergeant in charge of recruitment in addition to MPD's pre-service Academy curriculum. He is now thrust onto a national stage, but so far has addressed the concerns of the community in his usual forthright, eloquent manner while remaining protective of his troops. It helps that newly enacted legislation cited by the poster delegates the use of force investigation to Wisconsin DCI.
Situation was a little tense Friday night, protesters attempted to storm the City-County Bldg. which houses not only City Hall but MPD executive offices and the Central District. There are currently rumors that students at two of our local high schools will stage a mass walkout today. I would ask our brothers and sisters in Chicago and elsewhere to keep us in their thoughts as we try our best to navigate uncharted waters.
3/09/2015 09:30:00 AM
LOL your chief supporting the troops and the officer involved this shooting!!!. Go read his blog post not only is he throwing this officer under the bus he backed up and ran him over again.
Cant wait for country of Dane county and the Republic Of Madison go up in flames.
STOP THE PRESSES!
Victim's family: tone it down and don't hate the police.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/tony-robinsons-family-law-enforcement-is-necessary/31700846
The media will side with an offender everytime even when his background is in the toilet this media is making this country sick it's always the"poor black man" they don't say how many times the jerk was arrested for resisting fighting with Police etc. it's always "just because I'm black " sick of hearing it if the morons are so worried about the "poor black man" then don't call the Police next time he's kicking the shit out of you or robbing raping etc. just STFU and leave us alone.
Why do they even bother dispatching white officers to calls involving black men? Its a no win situation. If you go, they shout. If you don't go, they shout. If you do nothing, its racist, and if you do too much, its racist. Gosh, when will the race shit stop, 100 years from now? It's as if claims of racism is like the energizer bunny, going going going going going going
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Black lives only matter if the police have to defend themselves and have to put down an assailant. If black lives really mattered, they would be protesting every black life that is taken violently. We all well know that is not the case. The hypocrisy of these people is overwhelming.
3/09/2015 05:30:00 PM
#cops'livesmatter
Sir Robert Peel, arguably one of those who first articulated the necessity of having "police" in our midst, created a number of fundamental principles by which police should view their mission. Peel lived and made these observations in the mid-1800's. Surprisingly, despite the passage of time, many of these tenets still resonate today, in terms of what we expect from our police. The principle which has always loomed largest for me is: "The police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the POLICE ARE THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC ARE THE POLICE (my emphasis added).
I begin this blog with this thought hanging heavy in my heart. Our community is grieving and hurting over the loss of a young African American man, who life was ended far too soon. His family, his friends, and our community are in mourning. The police are part of this community---and we share this sense of loss. I have stated as much to representatives of his family, in statements to the press, and to our work force. Reconciliation cannot begin without my stating "I am sorry," and I don't think I can say this enough. I am sorry. I hope that, with time, Tony's family and friends can search their hearts to render some measure of forgiveness. Certainly, this will not take place soon given the circumstances. It may take some time for this loop to close but I pray that it will, in fact, close.
There is a process that now takes place which involves two tiers of independent review of the events that occurred on Williamson Street last Friday night. The State of Wisconsin's Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) has the exclusive authority to investigate all elements of the officer involved shooting--forensics, interviews, technology feeds, etc.. MPD, like the public, has questions that will only be answered when DCI's findings are set for release. This investigation is then turned directly over to the second layer of review, the District Attorney's Office, who then makes a ruling on the question of whether there is criminal culpability on the part of my officer. I would urge that everyone consider that the foundations of the much-maligned criminal justice system should still pay heed to the basic requirements of due process and fundamental fairness. If it were any one of us accused of wrong doing, wouldn't we hope for as much?
No one joins my profession hoping to do harm to anyone; we put on "armor" (bullet resistant vests) each day with the understanding that today may be the day that I provide the ultimate act of selflessness; to lay down one's life for a complete stranger. I cannot think of a more noble cause than to be a "guardian" to those who need us most--the vulnerable, the voiceless, the victims. That is what I and so many like me have sworn to do and have made it our life's calling. While I know that a sacred trust has been severely tested, I ask that people not define the legacy of service that this Department has provided to our public by this tragic incident. Let us continue to demonstrate to you that our commitment transcends mere rhetoric. . .we show how much we care on a daily basis; one call at a time. I realize that in order for us to achieve greater strides in community-based policing, the cornerstone for making that a reality starts with us earning your trust. I want that to happen, my Department wants that to happen, desperately. Remember, we live here, we work here, we go to church here, we're your neighbor(s), our kids go to school with your kids, and we all want the best of what life has to offer our families. The police are the public and the public are the police. . .
Chief Koval
Come join us.
MADISON (WKOW) -- More people are stepping forward to show support for the Madison Police Department after a recent officer-involved shooting.
A community group created on Facebook called "We Stand With the Madison Police Department" has more than 11,000 likes. It has planned what it calls a "peaceful gathering" for Wednesday, March 11 at 5:00 p.m. at the Wisconsin Law Enforcement Memorial.
Even family members of Tony Robinson, the young man shot in the incident, say they don't begrudge the police department. At a news conference Monday, Robinson's uncle, Turin Carter, said the family does not advocate for tension between protesters and police. "We are no proponents of 'anti-police.' We've seen some people saying things in regards to not trusting police. We don't condone that because we understand this was an individual act."
At that same news conference was a man holding a sign that read, "I Stand With Madison Police." Mansfield Nebledt told us, "As a black man, I think Madison is one of the best cities in the U.S. Even though the situation that happened is unfortunate - that young man could've been my son - I don't like the way some people are portraying the Madison Police as racist. They're trying to equate the Madison Police with Ferguson, and I have a disdain for that. I resent that. Madison is not Ferguson. MPD is one of the most capable police forces in the country. So I stand by them until we have this investigation; until we know what actually happened."
I think what drives a lot of these "protesters" is self-interest. For the young and stupid, it's an Instagram photo/Facebook opportunity to show their "activism" and their "making a difference" in the world. Yeah, if only these so-called controversial shootings were actually, you know, CONTROVERSIAL then the marching and chanting might actually mean something. But so far these shooting "victims" have been nothing but thugs and idiots. TWO THINGS NEEDED BY PROTESTORS 1)Patience 2)Critical thinking skills.
Police departments in liberal cities should simply indulge liberals. Pop some popcorn and give in to their idiotic demands: Stop arresting black criminals, let "unarmed" violent criminals go about their merry way, and start letting black criminals loose from prison en masse.
The black Sharponites/perpetual-victims would be put in the hilarious position of demanding that local government do something about all of the black criminals running rampant. Some liberals would wake up from their braindead stupor. Others would let themselves be willingly victimized by all of the sweet Gentle Giants out there. In a matter of months we could reverse the downward trajectory of this country altogether.
Black lives DO NOT matter if they are assailants.
Nice turnout! And who would think they would ever see the day when there would be a march in Berkeley east supporting the police?
MADISON, Wis. -- Hundreds gathered at the Capitol to show their support for police on Wednesday following an officer-involved shooting.
More than 300 people showed up to the event held at the Law Enforcement Memorial on the Capitol Square. Organizers say the event wasn't about them, but about the officers.
A moment of silence was held for Tony Robinson, the 19-year-old who was killed during an officer-involved shooting on Friday, and his family at the beginning of the event.
Protesters showed up at the rally voicing their distrust in police, asking "Who did they kill? Tony Robinson."
The pro-police rally responded by joining together and singing the national anthem.
Many retired police officers were in attendance. One spoke with NBC 15 about a time when his partner had to use deadly force. He said unless you have been in a similar situation, no one should judge.
"Until the complete facts are out there and the investigation is complete, people are making assumptions that may or may not be true," Vern Bronson, a retired Madison police officer, said.
Police Chief Mike Koval and Mayor Paul Soglin were also both at the rally.
Currently, the Department of Justice is handling the investigation into the shooting
Video here:
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Hundreds-gather-in-support-of-police-295993241.html
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