Monday, December 21, 2015

No Discretion

  • The footage shows a Baltimore police officer walking up to the driver's side window of a car he'd just pulled over downtown. The audio begins a few seconds later.

    "I must advise you for my safety and yours, this is recorded," the officer says to the woman behind the wheel. She asks why she was pulled over, and he tells her she was "going straight in a turning lane for about three blocks." "Can I just get the ticket and go please?" she says. "I don't want to be late for work." "OK," the officer responds.

    The officer then finds the woman's license is suspended. He asks her if she has someone who can come collect the vehicle so it doesn't have to be towed, but after 15 minutes he tells her that he had to order a tow truck — to which she complains.

    "Ma'am, I don't make up the rules," the officer says. "If you have a problem with it you're going to have to talk to your mayor. I have rules that I have to abide by, and now that we have body cameras I have to go line by line and we are not allowed to give discretion to anybody, because that's the way it is now."
You are now an automaton. Of course, we already have a version of that here in Chicago - speed cameras and red light cameras - those don't even care if you weren't driving the car. The car is proof of guilt and the registered owner is going to pay. But just wait until the whining starts about "Can't you give me a break?"

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71 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't wait to pull over the Illegal female with 5 kids in the car . No license huh ?
Squad , I need 5 child safety seats . What , our district only has two ? Better Ask surrounding district's .
Squad, one of the kids looks ill and just vomited , better roll an ambulance . This vehicle doesn't appear safe to drive , better order a tow.....

12/21/2015 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Traffic stops are inherently dangerous for so many reasons. Who does a traffic stop for minor infractions benefit? How many officers have been killed while on a traffic stop either by an offender or by accident. How many have resulted in injury or death for the motorist? How many lawsuits that started as a minor traffic stop? It's time to think of the risk verses benefit of the traffic stop. Seems to me it's not worth it these days.

12/21/2015 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean the old Benjamin Under the License Trick won't work anymore?

Now what do I do?

12/21/2015 01:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you change things, there is a cost to making the change that people never seem to account for. Well, the piper has come to collect his due...

12/21/2015 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wait until you get the wonderful kind hearted little old lady with the foul mouth. Get someone to FOIA all those videos.

Show Chicago what fun it is to be a cop.

12/21/2015 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is called Robocop.

12/21/2015 01:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good, and the same should be done here. Follow all the rules and general orders, then hopefully they cant make an example out of you. Remember is a pinch for a gun, dope or other BS worth your family, life , or freedom .....I don't think so.

12/21/2015 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's gonna be 2 things.
Do as little as possible, but if you must do something, go all the way.

12/21/2015 01:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont do traffic stops no money for the City.

12/21/2015 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just like McDonalds, I'm loving it. You got the police you wanted, you liberal asses. Now wait until we start stopping bicycles for traffic violations to generate Rahm income.

12/21/2015 03:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if you got clout and you get caught on a body camera doing or asking for ehhmmm a little "professional coutresy" whats gonna happen then ?

12/21/2015 05:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait til everyone see how many breaks people get that they don't get anymore! Every Ghetto domestic will be going in. RAP? Too bad, "Sarg take this domestic" You remember how to do an arrest report still right? YOU wanted this now YOU got it.

12/21/2015 05:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simple ~ don't pull anyone over!

12/21/2015 06:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suggest we start taking pics of the state of our vehicles and equiptment to share with the world.

12/21/2015 06:14:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

I like the "your mayor" part.

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

12/21/2015 06:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck a break! The citizens voted for this system, not us. Well, not all of us.

12/21/2015 06:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I LOVE IT!! Can't wait till I pull over a suspended/revoked alderman. I'll submit my own FOIA request for that one to put on youtube.

12/21/2015 07:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you know what? That's how it should be. Anytime you stop ANYONE with a suspended license, the car should be towed.
Remember, it's a safety issue!

12/21/2015 07:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Discretion is something that we still have, but now it's become more limited. And be prepared to justify your reasons. Letting someone drive with a suspended, revoked or no license is stupid and will cost you more than you could imagine. I have 17yrs on the Cpd and I conduct myself as though I'm being recorded at all times. I can't reiterate this enough, write your reports the way the incident occurred and never misrepresent the truth.

12/21/2015 07:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No discretion" will further oppress minorities -- in this case, the minority who actually pays traffic tickets...

12/21/2015 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The article begs the question, why is that softball stopping the car for traffic in the first place? In Baltimore? Must have a REALLY good car.

12/21/2015 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why robots will always be better than humans. They never have a bad hair day.

12/21/2015 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, this is exactly what the liberals want. Let them have it. Liberals love the almighty power of BIG GOVERNMENT. Big Govermment wants tickets, tickets, and more tickets. They could care less how many bodies hit the floor.

12/21/2015 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess this means that the DSS job just became much more entertaining, well not for them, but for the rest of us. Yes, there will be no more breaks, except for the connected. Once this takes effect 01 Jan 16, the phones at every district desk will be ringing off the hook. Calls from people who are "personal friends with (fill in the blank)", Aldercreatures calling, demanding that they be put through to the Commander, wanting tickets non-suited for their friends (but keep quiet about it).

You don't think that they would come out with this order without a non-written agreement that benefits the powers that be and their friends and family now, did you?

12/21/2015 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scc, another way to look at it: more revenue for city and less payouts in lawsuits.

12/21/2015 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Welcome to 014 /3rd watch. Soon to be 6 districts. The socialist, Democratic, sexual deviant, ISIS, Feminist, asthma claiming, sanctuary city, corporatist, LINK card, section-8, handicap carrying Obama phone soldiers have won.

The victory is the bankrupt city (morally and financially).

Good job Daley, Obama, and Emmanuel. Satan is proud.

12/21/2015 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this really a bad thing for cops? Let the pols deal with the fallout.

12/21/2015 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't have pulled her over in the first place because that's just asking for trouble. If you still find the need for some odd reason to do police work however, you had better do it completely by the book.

12/21/2015 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ha, love it. Future for Chicago! Cry baby "citizens" getting what they deserve.

12/21/2015 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont do Shit,Hurt Lawyers in the pocket,No Arrest No Defendant.

12/21/2015 10:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's right kids. No more breaks on suspended driver license or equipment violations . Remind folks this was the mayors idea , tow every car you can . It's for the children , less cars on the road , safer streets , less drive by shootings .
Time to start locking up the folks that call man with a gun to get you to respond faster , it's all recorded , lick them up .

12/21/2015 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They wanted camera's and now they got them. LMAO! Pay up!!!

12/21/2015 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Pigpen said...

No more" Hollywood Stops " at that stop sign, Playas

12/21/2015 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) Then you have worst president in history pulling race card on the only real man running Donald Trump!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/us/politics/president-obama-accuses-donald-trump-of-exploiting-working-class-fears.html?_r=0

Trump is higher in polling that barry ever was or could ever be go trump!

12/21/2015 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hope everyone reads and understands the implications of this! not only does it encourage police to not make traffic stops, but it also makes motorists with minor infractions cringe! Police at 1 time had "discretion" but thanks to barry,and the rahm crew that is now history! Until honest citizens revolt this will be the new normal! The criminals and agitators are let ruin and run the streets, while people that like to shop say downtown are now taking money elsewhere!

Another laughter incident rahms chitown rising NYE celebration was going to be free to view but acts are backing out and rahm is now charging and they ill cover up entertainment in tents so taxpayers cannot view any of this nonsense! thought our taxpayer paid police,fire and other city services were required, now rahm come on who has donated to you to hold this "cash cow?" Feds over here 121 north Lasalle 5th floor you have the right floor at police HQ, but wrong building come over to city hall please! If you want any of them transported to 219 dearborn we have cage cars and wagons and would be glad to help!

12/21/2015 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget about the one bagger arrests too. All of you complain about them, now you have no choice. Can't throw it out. You all better start learning how to DUI someone too.

No breaks anywhere. That's what this movement is going to accomplish.

12/21/2015 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no more breaks....unless

12/21/2015 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beautiful. I can't wait.

12/21/2015 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was reading your entry with much joy unil you mentioned the "cameras"............well, now that you got me started and having worked in unit 177 (forensics) I still have to express my suspicion with those photos of red light violations: I CHARGE THAT THE REVIEWERS DIGITALLY MOVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO A POSIION THAT SHOWS YOU IN VIOLATION. Prove me otherwise.
Happy holidays to SCC and its band of loyal followers.

12/21/2015 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only pull over cars with Obama and Hillary bumper stickers.

12/21/2015 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
You mean the old Benjamin Under the License Trick won't work anymore?

Now what do I do?

12/21/2015 01:23:00 AM

Move.

12/21/2015 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The camera makes it hard to give breaks in certain situations, like suspended/revoked, DUI, weed, etc. It absolutely doesn't remove your discretion for the majority of traffic violations. What kind of idiotic thinking are you people using? Do you really believe cameras remove your discretion, or is this just a childish reaction to having your stops recorded? "Well if we have to be recorded, then no one gets a break. We'll show them!" The cameras aren't going anywhere. That goes for in-car, PODs, body-worn, cell phone, security, media, and all of the other millions of cameras that can record you at any time during your tour. Just do shit the right way, or do the minimum that is required, and you'll have very few issues.

12/21/2015 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DUI arrests are about to go through the roof

12/21/2015 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who says just because you have a body cam or a microphone you can't give someone a break for a minor traffic violation? You always had and still have discretion. If you truly believe bullshit like this then you better NEVER drive past an illegally parked car without stopping to issue a parking citation. This copper is just being a jag because he doesn't like the camera.

12/21/2015 02:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nope!! No breaks. Giving you, the citizen, the policing you wanted. Body cam my ass, you get hammered on every stop. Tickets, towed, the works!!! All about that customer service!!!

12/21/2015 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: tarentino blustering again. Boycott hateful eight. He's a hypocrite & hateful self entitled moron.

12/21/2015 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wait till a tact ( unmarked ) squads get cameras and get caught illegally searching persons cars without consent on a bullshit traffic stop.

12/21/2015 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are all the guys here gloating about no more breaks retarded?How about no more revenue for a pint sized tyrant who shits on working class people everyday?How about no stops to minimize your contact with an increasingly hostile public that could turn into you losing your job?What in the name of God are you thinking,pull some chump over,write a ticket(revenue)and then tell the chump its the mayors fault???Take a good look in the mirror company man....

12/21/2015 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Observe, evaluate and then make the traffic stop. Nah, that won't work because profiling will raise its ugly head.

Fifty years ago a traffic stop was the way to make a good pinch, but that was fifty years ago.

12/21/2015 07:07:00 PM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

"No breaks anywhere. That's what this movement is going to accomplish."

12/21/2015 11:56:00 AM

...and every single encounter will be an opportunity to tell people the truth.

"I'm sorry, but it's been taken out of our hands.

"This is what Mayor Emanuel insists upon."

All kinds of situations. "Those people wouldn't let us into the store! They cursed at us and shoved my husband!"

"Sorry, but we can't lay a hand on them. This is the way Mayor Emanuel wants it."

"What happened regarding the policeman who got punched in the head the other day?"

"State's Attorney Alvarez let the offender just walk out the door. She said "it was for the good of the city."

&c.

To paraphrase Hizzoner, "Never let a call for service, a stop, a tow, a bust go to waste."

12/21/2015 08:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Baltimore has 3 block long turning lanes?

12/21/2015 08:41:00 PM  
Blogger Sir Donkey, esq said...

Well,again, I hate the cold weather, so right now I'm not making any stops.
Come June 1st, when its warmer, and Busier, I'll make plenty (backlog, not my problem...)

12/21/2015 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
You mean the old Benjamin Under the License Trick won't work anymore?

Now what do I do?

12/21/2015 01:23:00 AM

================================

In 1964 I went around some RR gates. I only had five bucks and that was my lunch money. I got my my license back with two singles. True story.

12/21/2015 09:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also loved to put five bucks behind my D.L. on Wednesdays inspection. Always got a good laugh at rollcall.

12/21/2015 09:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barry gets to enjoy time in his home state! Hawaii, not Illinois!

12/21/2015 09:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I refuse to register with chicago tribune and absolutely will not be subscribing. Is there anywhere else i can watch the video?

12/21/2015 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



NO No No NO



Don't write anything Tickets only help Rham

12/21/2015 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you geniuses are going to teach Rahm a lesson by generating more revenue for him? You think cameras remove your discretion? You think the way to handle this issue is to hammer every citizen for every minor infraction every time? You're a bunch of morons. Tell me what happens when you get pulled over. We all know cops are most likely to get breaks for minor traffic violations. When you're running late for roll call or court, and you get stopped by Officer Dipshit, with his "no discretion" plan, I hope you realize how fucking stupid you sound. "Sorry, fellow officer, I have to write you for speeding, rolling that stop sign, failing to signal, that license plate cover, your hatband hanging from your mirror(you know your dumbass has that), and driving in that bike lane. Sorry if you're late for work/court while I write these tickets, but I have no discretion because I'm a moron with a camera." Get a fucking clue.

12/22/2015 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't make this stuff up. Be careful what you wish for folks. Baltimore now has the police dept. they deserve. Thank you!

12/22/2015 02:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hope everyone reads and understands the implications of this! not only does it encourage police to not make traffic stops, but it also makes motorists with minor infractions cringe!

Sorry Francis, but driving on a suspended DL isn't a minor infraction. I would hope that any officer working with a dash cam and a body cam (and even those who are not working under that electronic scrutiny) who would conduct a traffic stop on a motorist in that kind of situation would do the right thing, and charge the motorist accordingly. That 'uninsured motorist' clause on your auto insurance policy? That's why it's there. Think about that should you decide to give a motorist with a suspended DL a break.

12/22/2015 04:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Write stuff that matters, like kids not in car seats, or riding on laps.

12/22/2015 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

scc,

It seems that perhaps there should be some random " smart phone" video's of what it's like to work the south & west sides. Only from the the other perspective , perhaps that's how you counter the endless media assault. The forums are all ready out there, youtube & the always entertaining Worldstarhiphop. Just gotta be in the right place at the right time ya know.............

12/22/2015 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's the way to do it , any domestic battery , arrest must be made if person is afraid to sign complaints .
Remember if they called they are in fear of offender .
False calls of man with a gun , lock up the caller , it's all recorded .

12/22/2015 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the "no more breaks"mongoloids will be the first ones on here crying a river when their family member gets written by a like minded dork.How about shit for activity till the politicians start treating you like a human being instead of doing everything to make your career more dangerous and miserable.

12/22/2015 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I refuse to register with chicago tribune and absolutely will not be subscribing. Is there anywhere else i can watch the video?
12/21/2015 10:36:00 PM

I refuse to learn the Internet because I'm a fucking idiot.


12/22/2015 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I also loved to put five bucks behind my D.L. on Wednesdays inspection. Always got a good laugh at rollcall.

12/21/2015 09:32:00 PM

You don't work in 007 do ya?
😏

12/22/2015 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$5 for lunch money in 1964!

High roller!

12/22/2015 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only pull over the libtard mo-biles: Toyota Prius with Obama/Biden or Hillary or Feel the Bern stickers. Let the libtard/moonbats pay for Rahms shit.

12/22/2015 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back in the day a sawbuck would have taken care of a traffic stop. Oh well.♠️

12/22/2015 07:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because. Of. This. I. Am. Practicing. My. Robot. Voice. If. You. Don't. Like. It. I. Will. Take. You. To. My. Leader.

12/22/2015 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch "Baltimore Police Body Camera Footage" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/EamJOR6oCzc

12/22/2015 10:19:00 PM  

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