Taser Restrictions
Remember all those Tasers were supposed to get? The ones that will provide certain connected folks a big boost in their bank accounts? Yeah, everyone might want to read the linked article here:
- Police officers lacked clear legal guidance on when they may zap people with Tasers, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decided on Monday, so it made a new rule to restrict their use.
If a person is not creating "an immediate safety risk," the court said, officers aren't allowed to shock him with a Taser. The pain it causes is an excessive use of force that violates the person's constitutional rights under the 4th Amendment, it said.
The ruling arose from a lawsuit against Pinehurst over the death of a mentally ill man. Pinehurst police used a Taser's pain mode in a failed attempt to make the man let go of a post. He died a few minutes later.
The decision applies in the five states in the 4th Circuit: North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia. The N.C. Justice Academy advised law enforcement agencies to revise their Taser policies to comply.
It's a Fourth Circuit decision, but federal courts have a habit of looking at what each court is doing before deciding which way the wind blows. And the Fourth Circuit encompasses the DC metro area where a lot of congress-critters spend time and decide the rules that lesser mortals must follow.
Predictably, police will probably revert to other methods from years gone by:
Predictably, police will probably revert to other methods from years gone by:
- Officers likely will resort to other weapons, like pepper spray and batons, plus hands-on techniques to make people comply with their orders, said Cumberland County Sheriff's Office attorney Ronnie Mitchell.
"I'm afraid it will lead to more injuries to individuals," Mitchell said, both law enforcement officers and the people they are attempting to detain or control.
No kidding. We wonder if Rahm has seen this decision yet...or DeEscalante with his "Force Mitigation" bullshit.
If someone is an "immediate safety risk," we aren't choosing to use a device that has a failure rate approaching the graduation numbers for a Chicago Public High School. We're choosing something that will let us go home at the end of the tour.
If someone is an "immediate safety risk," we aren't choosing to use a device that has a failure rate approaching the graduation numbers for a Chicago Public High School. We're choosing something that will let us go home at the end of the tour.
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
98 Comments:
This mirrors what we in the 9th Circuit have been living under for several years now.
Department is now nothing but a joke, can't wait for warm weather. Good luck!!! Roll call LOL!!!!
Can someone please answer this? Can the department force us to carry a tazer, a weapon? I understand we have to carry a gun of course, but what about secondary weapons? I've never used or carried a tazer and don't plan to unless the dept forces me. I personally see it as an unnecessary, cumbersome piece of equipment that I will be accountable for if damaged or lost. It's also another weapon I must be cognizant about while working and another weapon to which I must maintain retention. Before they came around, the dept managed to survive a very long time without them. It should be the officer's choice to carry one.
Uh-oh. Time to go with plan C.... punt
More great news for the police. What's next? Can't use handcuffs anymore? Well hopefully criminals will just stop being criminals and we won't need police officers anymore. States Attorneys and Judges may be out of a job if this crap keeps up.
Just stay fetal and no one has to die at police hands.
OT:
WTF! Are people really this stupid?:
"Crowds Swarm Chino Hills Store That Sold Winning Powerball Ticket
Pandemonium ensued as hundreds converged on the store that will get a hefty cut for selling the ticket."
I'm five two. I'm using my pistol.
So.. A taser is "excessive force" because it MIGHT kill someone with a heart condition. Yet allowing someone to carry a baton and strike someone repeatedly is entirely OK by the "use of force"?
It's time for "Noogie and Wedgie" patrols. An Atomic Wedgie would be classfied as excessive force. A lot safer. ♠️
Congress Critters loove it!
O.C. Spray. The stuff works, used it a few times. Forget the baton. They'll claim you were trying to club the guy to death.
Well said.
(OT) watching the debate last night was nice to see and hear Donald Trump speak out in favor of police everywhere and what a great job we do! Just want to say thank you for President Trump finally someone not bastardizing the hard working thin blue line!
Stopped at the store this morning there again was anti-police propaganda rag Suntimes with "fallen star" on the cover! Taxpayers citizens realize what is happening! Rahm obama and the government media complex is destroying this country from within, the elected don't want a man like Trump in office as they cannot control the narrative of a man that speaks positive for police!
You all need to slow down. Get those jackasses that call themselves the "working police" to wake the fuck up. Let it get bad enough and they will pull their own rules down for you.
Taser suck anyway
Back to the hands on experience.
Having carried and used a Taser, I can tell you if the offender is wearing a sweatshirt or light jacket, the failure rate will be 75% to 90% of the time, because the taser darts wont penetrate the clothing enough to deliver a sufficient electrical charge to incapacitate the person. If the offender is wearing a medium to heavy coat, the taser will not stop him. With Chicago weather, how often are people wearing jackets and coats? The FOP really needs to speak out on this before a copper gets hurt or killed trying to be politicaly correct to appease the cop-hating big mouths all in the news lately. The union should contact the taser companies. They will send out expert witnesses to give advice for any policy making committee or whatever, and hopefully, keep the policy realistic, instead of the nonsense of the politically correct fantasy world.
DAMN... I better practice up my Steel baton (ASP) swing.
Sad part is I have seen a persons hand crushed by the swift strike of the asp. But if the courts make laws now then I guess it is OK.
Not a fan of pepper spray it always seems more officer get sprayed with the pesky musk.
I am guessing the legal department is swamped now with all the contact card & traffic stop question. Just picture all those half baked City lawyers who would never survive in the private sector google searching law questions!
I an sure this is no surprise to anyone. Scum Bag trial lizards in California make a good living suing for pain and suffering to protect the rights of poor suffering smelly bums dressed as super heroes fighting over choice tourist locations in Hollywood from the magical Taser. Except for the fact they occasionally shoot each other the sight of looped and stinky Batman in a fist fight with a equally odoriferous and chemically enhanced Spiderman is a true howler. It's a California thing you understand.
**This video is a MUST watch by ALL CPD!**
Chicago Urban League/Chicago Police Board Community Input Session: CPD Superintendent Selection
It is an hour and a half but WELL worth it.
They introduce all the members of the Police Board. They speak off the cuff about who they are and what they believe.
The session allows people to get the mic and speak from their heart. It only took til the fourth person to demand a black Supe.
Please watch this and know who is out there. Watch the hate they have for us. Watch them dis the Police Board members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCnEyb0gGs
All this refers to passive resister and we have very tight use of force restrictions anyway so this is nothing new to us.
The problem here is "Appearance" and "Perception". We live in a Society and time where people are either too busy or just don't care to go beyond what is visible. Using force to a level that will induce submission is never an attractive sight. So officers will have to wrestle, and use striking blows to various parts of a citizen's body to produce submission to arrest or control. Everyone of these incidents when viewed on tape will demands by the blow. Just as in shooting where we see demands of a million dollars for each round that struck, "Ma Baby". We will see bottom feeder attorneys demanding dollar amounts for each blow. Baby"G"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can someone please answer this? Can the department force us to carry a tazer,
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This was in the news over 2 weeks ago.
By 1 June 2016 all personal who are on the streets are to be trained and CARRY the Taser.
The orders are being rewritten and they are figuring out how to get thousands trained for the 8 hour class.
Realistically, it will not happen by 1 June. Perhaps early fall.
What exactly is the "pain mode", it makes it sound like there are options as to pain or not pain. There is no pain mode, no options, yes it hurts but don't fight don't get tased.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You all need to slow down. Get those jackasses that call themselves the "working police" to wake the fuck up. Let it get bad enough and they will pull their own rules down for you.
1/15/2016 07:36:00 AM
Why are you so concerned about what others are doing and not doing? You should worry about yourself. Last night we had three major foot chases. I heard what the dogs/people like you were griping about- "oh they don't get it", "they are idiots", etc. Some people like to work. So they will work. Nothing wrong with that.
No problem, we'll go back to our steel batons, and fists, bloody up and beat up criminals again...taser was implemented to avoid the beat downs we use to dish out to get someone to stop fighting us, it fails sometimes but is pretty damn effective and avoids blood, broken bones, etc. these brain dead idiots don't know what the fuck they want.
Troops for Trump
Why care at all? Just do nothing without your Company Hack Supervisors Order. Then, in all Reports, be sure to write that you did what you did under Duress, and under direct orders of Supervisor ______. Fuck these commie Hacks, they got the shit City and Shit Police Department they wanted, now they want to blame you all, but Not Themselves, as Usual. Dont be left holdin the bag. Let the Supervisors be responsible, then watch most of these clouted ones cry like pussys when they have to be responsible.
And the FOP's response is... Cricket... Cricket... Cricket...
In order to qualify to carry the taser, I think you have to take a hit yourself. I am concerned because I have heart rhythm issues for which I take medication but am still able to fully function. Would I be exempt?
I used a taser once,Doesnt work if the Offender is wearing a coat,Foam or Gel pepper Spray is my choice works every time,The pepper spray the Dept gives us sucks and goes everywhere.
I wonder if a "wood shampoo" has ever truly caused death or irreprable harm do to an injury.
As I recall, the first wack, even if just on an arm, usually stopped even the worst resisters to think twice and then comply with the usual tough guy meaningless twists and tugs while the cuffs were being put on them.
Don't get me wrong hwere, if the stick doen't work and it's a true donnybrook and your gun might get taken, then ya shoot him.
Better yet, in this day and age, just remain as fetal as possible.
Smile and wave boys....Smile and wave.
that eliminates tasers if a federal court tells you the pain it causes is an excessive use of force that violates the person's constitutional rights under the 4th Amendment, Give them what the demand Respond to calls at a safe pace nothing more. I know that goes against our nature but the current political climate is dangerous to Law enforcement Officers. They are inditing and charging Officers for acts that are lawful. Its scary when the Good guys that are willing to risk their lives every day are now the Bad guys. The world is upside down right now.
I never trusted the taser. If I am going to use it, it is because I have a fight on my hands. It can't penetrate a sweatshirt or winter coat, then what?
Its a no brainer. Going hands on usually someone is going to the hospital, too many coppers along with them.
Tasers usually get submission and no coppers hurt. Of course if you get a bad shooting partner...opps, I owe you a beer.
doctor judged him to be dangerous to himself - but not dangerous to anyone else - because he "was poking holes through the skin on his leg 'to let the air out,'" the ruling says.
The doctor ordered Armstrong to be involuntarily committed to the hospital. Three Pinehurst police officers were sent to find Armstrong and bring him in.
The found Armstrong wandering in a busy street nearby, but could not detain him immediately because the involuntary commitment paperwork was incomplete.
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Ask yourself: Is this even a police matter? Is this paper work authorized by a judge too? Does the hospital have security?
Perhaps force mitigate your butt back into the squad car.
Use your Brain, and don't go running into every situation like a moth to a flame.
ot misplaced my letter from the city where do I look to see how much i will pay for health insurance in 2016 bc/bs/ppo can't seem to find it on internet. old age is a bitch
All offenders must sign a release form before being tazed or maced. Then given receipt of form
mayor tiny dancer knew about the shortage of tasers before the $4,900,000 payoff was made , no action to provide tasers in every vehicle with a charging port until the news media released the video .
why didn't any officer respond to request of a taser?
are tiny dancers body guards carrying tasers and body cameras ?
Chicago News media , Father flakey , rev, jackass , al dullton should pressure justice department to investigate Chicago Law department , alderman and conduct a forensic audit of budget for the last 8 years
"Crowds Swarm Chino Hills Store That Sold Winning Powerball Ticket
Pandemonium ensued as hundreds converged on the store that will get a hefty cut for selling the ticket."
1/15/2016 04:19:00 AM
Sheer hive-mind, unthinking hysteria. So what the store gets a big commission when it sells a winner. Not like money or luck is going to rub off on anyone else.
Was at the dog-and-pony show at the Hideout Bar where Carol Moron and Ahern were. They both should have stayed as English teachers.
The issues of TASERS was brought up. Seems the media is gaga over these devices as magic wands that will eliminate deadly force by police.
Police know differently.
#1: The recommended safe minimum distance for someone with a knife (20 feet) is the edge of the effective range of a TASER.
#2 TASER is not 100% sure thing. (Barbs don't lodge, clothing insulates, drugs in body dampen effect)
#3: If TASER fails, no follow-up shot unless there is a 2nd TASER on scene.
#4: There will be accidents like those that occurred in New Mexico(?) and San Fran where a PO under high stress inadvertently draws and uses his firearm when he meant to get the TASER and kills the subject. One is in prison, the other may be going there.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm five two. I'm using my pistol.
1/15/2016 05:28:00 AM
Bravo...
One of the more savvy posts regarding use of force.
So much of Policing centers on
"Know Thy Limitations."
The very last thing any right-minded person
wants to see is a smaller statured officer
(or ANY officer for that matter) dancing
"The Tangle" with some untamed, unvaccinated
Urban Orc...
Now, all things being equal?
We've seen big, monstrous Policemen who were
total liabilities during breezeway brawls and pint-sized
officers sitting astride the cuffed, blubbering, pants-completely
-shit-through, freshly flayed semi-carcass of an Urban Orc
crying about all them charges the Orc was going to file for
"Po-leece Brutality."
That's one thing we'll miss about this job.
Those priceless moments when Dude says:
"O_o?"
And those even rarer moments when one of
our supposed social betters has cause to say
the same exact thing.
Especially when something horribly expensive, personally
uncomfortable and/or socially awkward happens in
front of members of their social circle and such.
Stupid SHOULD hurt!
"Act like a gentleman/lady, and we will happily treat you
like one. If you "doodafool," we will happily treat you
like one."
Surprising how so many of the social betters actually
opt for the second choice because they just can't get
around the fact that their fuck-up and escalating bad
behavior has caught the attention of some
Blue Suited churls...
"Stop! I wanna call my LAWYERS
because YOU can't do THIS to ME!"
(If you have more than ONE lawyer
and you're not a captain of industry,
odds are good that you ply your trade
in the brackish backwash of assholery ;^)
Y'all stay safe.
Always be ready to have a laugh at the expense
of the people (and folks) you're compelled to
rub up against.
Police like you have no friends.
Off topic.......the new superintendent MUST be an independent individual.... Free from mayoral influence and politics.
The tasers are shit. Every time we tried to use it, it was ineffective. Our Officers refused to take them on patrol and the program ended...
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Rahm's next proposal is that we carry slingshots that shoot marshmallows and , as a last resort, a clown gun that a flag comes out and says "Bang".
After all we don't want to offend the "community" by using any type of force against armed thugs and criminals.
Take fetal to a new level my friends.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can someone please answer this? Can the department force us to carry a tazer, a weapon? I understand we have to carry a gun of course, but what about secondary weapons? I've never used or carried a tazer and don't plan to unless the dept forces me. I personally see it as an unnecessary, cumbersome piece of equipment that I will be accountable for if damaged or lost. It's also another weapon I must be cognizant about while working and another weapon to which I must maintain retention. Before they came around, the dept managed to survive a very long time without them. It should be the officer's choice to carry one.
1/15/2016 01:09:00 AM
Couldn't agree more. My last two years on the job, with an expired taser certification, I didn't pursue renewing it. I felt the liability of carrying or using the taser wasn't worth it. Somehow, I managed just fine for 27yrs without one.
Ha ha ha this is great. How about "stop, or I'll say stop again"? So guns are too effective. Tazers are inhumane. Pepper spray is unpredictable. And hands-on is brutality. I like the suggestion above, that maybe criminals could just stop being criminals? News flash ghetto mommas: you are doing an AWFUL job of parenting, and YOU are responsible for the criminal behavior of your children, if not legally, MORALLY. When you flash pictures of them in their graduation robes, and discount the possibility that they are responsible for the criminal acts that led to their demise, you are simply in denial of the fact that YOU FAILED. Stop putting it on the cops, to put their lives in additional danger, because you want your criminal spawn treated gently. Do that YOURSELVES, when you RAISE YOUR KIDS PROPERLY. Once you turn them loose on the unsuspecting world, you lose your right to select methods of discipline for their bad decisions.
I think all cars should be equipped with an expandable 10 foot pole with large feather attached at one end.
We can call it the "tickler", it would subdue assailants by tickling them into submission. This tool would replace our service pistols. No more pesky firearms quals every year or there being a chance of us shooting someone. For our protection we would have to check out a shield at the radio room to be used in case of being attacked or shot at only. Also no more physical stuff of any sort at the academy. All new recruits will spend the six months or so trained entirely on the e learning system. No more taking chances of anyone possibly getting injured or hurt even remotely during police encounters or training.
that about sums it up.. I think this is the police force they've been asking for. We just haven't been listening.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT:
WTF! Are people really this stupid?:
"Crowds Swarm Chino Hills Store That Sold Winning Powerball Ticket
Pandemonium ensued as hundreds converged on the store that will get a hefty cut for selling the ticket."
1/15/2016 04:19:00 AM
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Yes. Yes, they are.
It reminded me of the scene in the movie Independence Day, when the lunatic fringe was partying on the rooftops and dancing in the streets, waving signs that said, "Welcome, Aliens".
Geez, I remember just a few years ago we were being maligned because the drug crazed idiots we used the taser on were dying, and of course it was the tasers fault, not the drugs and health issues of the offender. Now, tasers are good....fucked up!!!
Old retired guy
Brilliant work by people who are out of touch with reality. The taser causes pain only during the time in which the current is being applied. To remove that as an option, in favor of going hands on, swinging a baton, tackling, etc., is undoubtedly going to cause more injuries, and more serious, and lasting, possibly permanent injuries. If a taser is excessive force, ANY other force, other than OC, would be excessive as well, since every other option causes more potential for injury than a taser would. If I were so inclined as to commit a crime and resist being arrested, I'd prefer a quick jolt from a taser over a pummeling or baton strikes. I'm sure many others would agree. Complete disconnect from anything even resembling reality. Fucking morons.
Aim for the balls, Ramone.
You'll never stop me if you don't aim for the balls......
Doeooeoooo.... da da daaaaa.....
Next up for the 4th Circuit: VRI restrictions.
Stop the presses Hillard Company just came out with a state of the art ray gun unfortunately it not only stops them in their tracks it sterilizes them!
Garry has screwed up this department beyond repair. Thanks to him we have this horrendous form we have to fill out when stopping someone on the street. He agreed to this form thanks to his actions and the ACLU. By the way , where is Garry? Oh yeah, no where to be found. He was told to keep his mouth shut.
Stop Doing Pro-Active Police Work! Do What Is Required And Nothing Else!
Ta$er! Ta$er! Ta$er!
Fortunes were made off the insider stock tips to exempts.
(OT) Just want to say thanks for the positive message during last nights presidential debate, Donald Trump spoke out in favor of police! He is pro military, and pro-police cannot imagine how a law and order president would treat the thin blue line!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-police_569869d1e4b0b4eb759df9b8
So...
Does anybody want to rehash all the liberal eye-wetting
and hand-wringing about "Excited Delirium" during the
FIRST taser roll-out back in '07/'08?
Scum-Times?
Fibune?
Alderfools?
Store-Front clergy?
"Communerty" activists?
ANYBODY who's invested then as now
in the anti-Police/anti-effective Policing
agenda?
"You out-of-control Cops are ELECTROCUTING
people (and folks) with those things!"
...And the Department (q u i e t l y) made the
Initial roll-out of tasers go away via the usual
method of intentional neglect/lack of maintenance
replacement and repair because of the outcry
from the Catered-To Constituencies...
So...
What the fuck is so different this time around
other than these m/fers congratulating themselves
on having backed The Police into a corner while
decent citizens can scarcely make it through the
door and lock it before some ugly thing can get up
in the house behind them?
"The Police are the problem...
Once we fix THEM, everything else
will just fall in place."
Police like you have no friends...
**This video is a MUST watch by ALL CPD!**
Chicago Urban League/Chicago Police Board Community Input Session: CPD Superintendent Selection
It is an hour and a half but WELL worth it.
They introduce all the members of the Police Board. They speak off the cuff about who they are and what they believe.
The session allows people to get the mic and speak from their heart. It only took til the fourth person to demand a black Supe.
Please watch this and know who is out there. Watch the hate they have for us. Watch them dis the Police Board members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCnEyb0gGs
1/15/2016 09:13:00 AM
Yep- they should play this at every roll call so the men and women in blue can grasp the twisted mentality of these "communities". Basically, they all believe that policemen are racist, murdering, lawless monsters -- one of these mutts even referred to the FOP as "the Klan". They all want a black superintendent who will stop the racist police from terrorizing and murdering their innocent black children. A total shit-show of assholes who live and make a career out of playing the blame game. Allow them to sell their dope, kill each other over drug territory and reputation, and the store-front reverends can continue profiting from rendering funeral services and sermons for poor "Lamont", "Lashawn", "Lavante", etc. etc, every Sunday.
A great aid to those suffering from insomnia--THE CHICAGO POLICE BOARD HEARING ON NEXT SUPT. SELECTION
CLICK ON It will only get much worse: STAY FETAL
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And yet, there are many who will still try to go out and do police work. DUMB!
O.C. Spray. The stuff works, used it a few times. Forget the baton. They'll claim you were trying to club the guy to death. OC DOES NOT WORK, and half the time you get it worse than the bad guy
Stay Fetal my Friends.
A little off topic. I remember going to those DOC meetings and having Phil and Molloy and the rest of the clowns constantly badgering people about contact cards. So, the pressure was on for numbers. Now, it has turned around and bit the department in the ass. Amusing.
Da writting is on da walls boys and girls eventually you will get fucked for tazering someones dumb ass. Remember where you heard it first.
The new order will recommend that you retreat if a hostile subject approaches you.
http://www.cwbchicago.com/2016/01/lakeview-woman-hides-in-bathroom-as.html?m=1
SCC, this happened near me. I am often home with my kids during the day. I am also researching firearms and planning to make my first purchase. Can you please enlighten me about if IL has a Castle Doctrine?
If it moves when I am arresting it, I am tasering it...
Nuff Said
This is nothing compared to the BS forced upon us here in the 9th Circuit, seehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_v._MacPherson .
In the 60's auto thieves were shot , in the 70's burglars
Now , get attacked by a gentile giant , that beats you , attempts to take your gun and you are the bad guy .
Community policing tells neighborhood watch to get involved , call police , get attacked , head bashed into a concrete sidewalk , almost get your weapon taken away , shoot in fear of your life and yes .a reason for riots , looting , more attacks on police .
Answer calls , write reports , go home safe .
Citizens do not get involved .
Growing numbers of sheriffs and police chiefs asking citizens to help them and carry weapons this is great finally taxpayers innocent people defending themselves from thugs!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/15/growing-number-police-chiefs-sheriffs-join-call-to-arms.html
Can I have my Kel light back?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can I have my Kel light back?
1/15/2016 11:31:00 PM
Swish!
Ka-POW!
M/Fers were TERRIFIED of Kel-Lites/Mag-Lites...
Rediscovered the old 6-cell "C" while rooting through some
boxes in the garage last year.
Too bad about the incident in 025 that resulted
in Kel-Lites being banned for CPD.
Gun : excessive
Taser : excessive
Baton : excessive
You're supposed to blow dandelion pedals at hostile suspects. If that doesn't work sprinkle them with glitter.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I never trusted the taser. If I am going to use it, it is because I have a fight on my hands. It can't penetrate a sweatshirt or winter coat, then what?
1/15/2016 11:28:00 AM
Then you drive stun the shit out of them and get multiple points of contact with the connection.
Silly String & Water Ballons will be the next Less Then Lethal Option for the CPD.
Why are you so concerned about what others are doing and not doing? You should worry about yourself. Last night we had three major foot chases. I heard what the dogs/people like you were griping about- "oh they don't get it", "they are idiots", etc. Some people like to work. So they will work. Nothing wrong with that.
1/15/2016 10:15:00 AM
What you others are doing is affecting the rest of the department. If you are too stupid to see what is going on around you, no one will be able to explain it to you. Keep hard charging there, super trooper. Just don't ask for a benefit when you get jammed up for doing "the right thing" after you were warned. Then you can bitch about how unfair it is that you "working police" don't get a fair shake. Some people just can't learn.
Why are you so concerned about what others are doing and not doing? You should worry about yourself. Last night we had three major foot chases. I heard what the dogs/people like you were griping about- "oh they don't get it", "they are idiots", etc. Some people like to work. So they will work. Nothing wrong with that.
1/15/2016 10:15:00 AM
Really? Don't read the papers much, do you? Is Darren Wilson still working as a police officer? Did he do anything wrong? Keep chasing for dope, keep car chasing for bullshit, keep putting yourself at risk. Rahm has your back.
Anonymous said...
Next up for the 4th Circuit: VRI restrictions.
1/15/2016 03:17:00 PM
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Yup, activity requirement to qualify for VRI sure sounds like a quota to me. Gee I wonder why the performance recognition system is being moved to crystal reports? New way to check your "VRI quotactivity".
In case you missed the memo, here it is:
"In addition to prohibiting requirements that officers issue a specific number of citations within a certain timeframe, the law also says a county or municipality may not compare the number of citations issued by one officer to the that of another officer to evaluate job performance."
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/7/71/164254/gov-quinn-signs-bill-banning-ticket-quotas-for-police
SCC, please post this. The bosses demands for more contact cards put pressure on officers to produce or face getting f**ked with. As a result, we now have the ISR nightmare to deal with. It is time the department ends all activity based quotas or we'll continue to suffer for having them, i.e. more ACLU bullshit and lawsuits.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can someone please answer this? Can the department force us to carry a tazer, a weapon? I understand we have to carry a gun of course, but what about secondary weapons? I've never used or carried a tazer and don't plan to unless the dept forces me. I personally see it as an unnecessary, cumbersome piece of equipment that I will be accountable for if damaged or lost. It's also another weapon I must be cognizant about while working and another weapon to which I must maintain retention. Before they came around, the dept managed to survive a very long time without them. It should be the officer's choice to carry one.
1/15/2016 01:09:00 AM
Couldn't agree more. My last two years on the job, with an expired taser certification, I didn't pursue renewing it. I felt the liability of carrying or using the taser wasn't worth it. Somehow, I managed just fine for 27yrs without one.
Why ANYONE would want to go hands on with a crazed, mentally ill or controlled substance fueled psycho without a taser is just beyond me. I too spent most of my career managing to deal with the above described crazies without one. I was very fortunate; I've known co-workers who have had to undergo painful rotator cuff, ACL and torn meniscus surgeries because they weren't able to manage or subdue some jacked up lunatic resister. If you want to end your careers with such injuries, that's on you. Anything the increases the chances that I will return home after my shift on a daily basis without those kinds of injuries I want to have at my side on a regular basis. It's a no-brainer, Francis.
Can you please enlighten me about if IL has a Castle Doctrine?
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It is not called the castle doctrine but it is pretty close.
Take a close look at (720 ILCS 5/Art. 7)
ARTICLE 7. JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE; EXONERATION
(720 ILCS 5/7-1)
Sec. 7-1. Use of force in defense of person.
and
(720 ILCS 5/7-2) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-2)
Sec. 7-2. Use of force in defense of dwelling.
and
(720 ILCS 5/7-3) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-3)
Sec. 7-3. Use of force in defense of other property.
and
Here is the key paragraph found in 7-1, 7-2, and 7-3. Not only is their protection from criminal liability but for civil liability as well.
(b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.
Please go read the applicable law yourself. It is pretty clear. Read section 7-4 too.
NAC
Please watch this and know who is out there. Watch the hate they have for us. Watch them dis the Police Board members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCnEyb0gGs
1/15/2016 09:13:00 AM
Yep- they should play this at every roll call so the men and women in blue can grasp the twisted mentality of these "communities". Basically, they all believe that policemen are racist, murdering, lawless monsters -- one of these mutts even referred to the FOP as "the Klan". They all want a black superintendent who will stop the racist police from terrorizing and murdering their innocent black children. A total shit-show of assholes who live and make a career out of playing the blame game. Allow them to sell their dope, kill each other over drug territory and reputation, and the store-front reverends can continue profiting from rendering funeral services and sermons for poor "Lamont", "Lashawn", "Lavante", etc. etc, every Sunday.
1/15/2016 04:09:00 PM
The politicians that need them have told them all their lives that the white man is their oppressor. These same politicians have used morons like Jackson and Sharpton to be the face of this deception. They are willing jackals, as long as they get their 30 pieces of silver.
Until they realize this, until they see that they are being used and are worse off than they were 50 years ago, they will never be free.
The politicians in the Democratic party are responsible for the deaths of more minorities than the Klan ever dreamed of.
Anonymous said...
I think all cars should be equipped with an expandable 10 foot pole with large feather attached at one end.
We can call it the "tickler", it would subdue assailants by tickling them into submission. This tool would replace our service pistols. No more pesky firearms quals every year or there being a chance of us shooting someone. For our protection we would have to check out a shield at the radio room to be used in case of being attacked or shot at only. Also no more physical stuff of any sort at the academy. All new recruits will spend the six months or so trained entirely on the e learning system. No more taking chances of anyone possibly getting injured or hurt even remotely during police encounters or training.
that about sums it up.. I think this is the police force they've been asking for. We just haven't been listening.....
1/15/2016 02:29:00 PM
The current leadership at the academy shares your ideas. He believes that discipline does not have a part in training. He lowered physical training standards and raised academic standards. Smarter recruits that are out of shape that lack the physical skills ta take a suspect into custody. They want to remove discipline. Unbelievable.
I am concerned because I have heart rhythm issues for which I take medication but am still able to fully function. Would I be exempt?
1/15/2016 10:43:00 AM
Only if you lost your backbone too
why didn't any officer respond to request of a taser?
1/15/2016 11:51:00 AM
The easy answer to this is simple. If you are not going to carry a taser, do not call someone who does to come over and accept the liability for you on your scene. Police work was handled before the days of tasers. If you want to go up without one because it is more comfortable to not have the extra belt accessory or you prefer someone else to take the lawsuit when you call them over to zap your guy, then learn to handle your calls the old way without a taser. There is a difference between being someones backup and being someones chump. If you have enough time to ask for a taser and for it to get there (obviously these are not 10-1s), you have plenty of time to figure out your own situation and utilize the tools you did choose to carry that day.
Why are you so concerned about what others are doing and not doing? You should worry about yourself. Last night we had three major foot chases. I heard what the dogs/people like you were griping about- "oh they don't get it", "they are idiots", etc. Some people like to work. So they will work. Nothing wrong with that.
1/15/2016 10:15:00 AM
What other officers are doing affects every last one of us, you clueless motherfucker. I'd love to hear the outcome of these "major foot chases," whatever the fuck that means. What amazing felony charges were approved on these offenders? What was the reasonable articulable suspicion that caused the go-getters to initiate the foot chase? Did they rifle through the pockets of the offenders looking for a reason to arrest them after the chase? Did anyone get a bonus kick or punch in on any of the offenders? Were any officers injured as a result of the chases? Were TRRs completed? Did the offenders go to the hospital or get treated by CFD? Were any offenders charged with reckless conduct because they happened to run into the street during the chase? Answer those questions, and then ask yourself how all of that nonsense could possibly lead to multiple lawsuits, officers on trial, etc. It's a new world, you clueless moron. Wake the fuck up and realize what's happening to us. Protect yourself and your fellow officers by not engaging in activities that put us all at risk.
The public especially the suburban idiots that comment in the paper (including columnists), have never had an encounter with a drug charged mentally insane individual, that has strength of many men and feels no pain and will continue to fight like the animal they are until police take violent force to stop the mayhem! They you go that's the raw truth of how policing work's, it's not like the old "Adam 12" of old! People of races are getting more and more violent, the media is inciting many to try to get a story so they can win a "Pulitzer prize" or a spot on national news making millions more!
Policing is a hard, dirty job the public has no clue what it is like to go to a call of a child raped, murdered innocent people, a violent drugged man, felons that will kill in order to never return to prison,some coppers have scars both physical and mental due to the extreme stress everyday, some of it is from police bosses that were never the police and were secretaries with guns, never encountering a situation where it is life or death and no options!
'Major foot chases"....Lol wake up idiot.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Crowds Swarm Chino Hills Store That Sold Winning Powerball Ticket
Pandemonium ensued as hundreds converged on the store that will get a hefty cut for selling the ticket."
1/15/2016 04:19:00 AM
Must be Democratic voters.
Why are you so concerned about what others are doing and not doing? You should worry about yourself. Last night we had three major foot chases. I heard what the dogs/people like you were griping about- "oh they don't get it", "they are idiots", etc. Some people like to work. So they will work. Nothing wrong with that.
1/15/2016 10:15:00 AM
Not too bright,are ya?
Why would anyone, police or civilian, want to stay in that sh#!hole of a city. Move to a red state/city. Florida has 300K open jobs. Lot of jobs for cops. COL is better too.
Stay safe, the city is not worth 1 cops life. Let them kill each other, god can sort it out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
why didn't any officer respond to request of a taser?
1/15/2016 11:51:00 AM
The easy answer to this is simple. If you are not going to carry a taser, do not call someone who does to come over and accept the liability for you on your scene. Police work was handled before the days of tasers. If you want to go up without one because it is more comfortable to not have the extra belt accessory or you prefer someone else to take the lawsuit when you call them over to zap your guy, then learn to handle your calls the old way without a taser. There is a difference between being someones backup and being someones chump. If you have enough time to ask for a taser and for it to get there (obviously these are not 10-1s), you have plenty of time to figure out your own situation and utilize the tools you did choose to carry that day.
1/16/2016 01:45:00 PM
One forty-five pm, you're overlooking the possibility that the person not carrying a taser can't get in to qualify or there aren't enough functional tasers available for everyone who's qualified to sign one out.
One forty-five pm, you're overlooking the possibility that the person not carrying a taser can't get in to qualify or there aren't enough functional tasers available for everyone who's qualified to sign one out.
1/17/2016 08:56:00 PM
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At this point, if you have not qualified to use a taser, it is by actively avoiding it along with recertification . The number available? I'll concede that it may be an issue in some places. But even in those places, people are passing on carrying them because they would rather call someone else to take on the liability and call them over to the scene if needed.
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