Friday, May 13, 2016

No Grace Period

City sticker time - if you stayed on the old schedule:
  • Chicago City Clerk Susana A. Mendoza is urging Chicago motorists to be aware of a change in grace period rules regarding deadlines for purchasing and displaying their Chicago City Vehicle Sticker.

    Beginning July 1, 2016, changes to the Chicago Municipal Code regarding the grace period will make motorists eligible to be ticketed immediately following their vehicle sticker's expiration.

    For example, if your vehicle sticker expires on June 30, you are eligible to be ticketed on July 1. The $200.00 ticket can be issued daily.

    The grace period for late fees will be extended from 15 to 30 days effective July 1. A motorist with a vehicle sticker expiring June 30 will have until July 30 to purchase a sticker without paying an additional $60.00 late fee
So another fee/fine stacked upon an already extravagant tax burden. And another moving van pulls up in a middle class neighborhood.

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62 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wont and dont enforce Ass Fucking things like this..

5/13/2016 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No,no vans will be on patrol in Pilsen , little village , hum bolt park ,west lawn , Garcia ridge , next stop Englewood , Austin , Gresham
Now would you like to buy the skyway ? For you $1,000,000 .

5/13/2016 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The City is good and the City is merciful. Praise be to the City in all it's wisdom and glory. Praise be to Rahm it's Mayor.

5/13/2016 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there anything the city does not nickel and dime you about?
What is the tax on empty moving boxes?
Or hasn't Rahm gotten to that one yet?

5/13/2016 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah , 200.00 for a pickup ? Keep it for 10 years it's an extra 2,000.00 tax.
thanks Rahm .

5/13/2016 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any wonder tax payers are leaving this cesspool. Nickel and diming everybody out the door.

5/13/2016 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More nickel and diming the citizens of Chicago by elected officials. City sticker/wheel tax only hurts the residence.

5/13/2016 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So nice they waive the $60 late fee, but not the $200 ticket.
That will really make the person tagged love the police.

One reason police are not popular is that you are too often seen as armed bullies extorting money for Rahm and his Fifty Thieves. Any time the citizens interact with you, it usually costs them money. And $200 bucks is big money to a lot of us.

The NYPD rank and file scared the crap out of the administration when they stopped handing out tickets for two weeks. Their socialists in City Hall realized that the city budget was going to be broken if the cop didn't start issuing tickets quickly. Lots of tickets to keep the city budget afloat!

5/13/2016 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shitcago

5/13/2016 02:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greedy BASTARDS!!

5/13/2016 02:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't want read a single comment from a Cop griping about this.

Reason I say the above is the simple fact that I would see cops on foot patrol in 20 and 18 and 19 and 24 and 16 and 17 checking windshields every July 16th back when every City Sticker expired on June 3th.

I've also heard about complaints of tickets issue for a city sticker being expired before the 16th of the month and 90% of those tickets were issued by Cops in certain areas that are considered "fast districts."

5/13/2016 04:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the world's biggest jagoff:
A) Rahm Emmanuel
B) Gene Williams
C) Gene Roy
D) All of the above

5/13/2016 04:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Silly Susie is at it again. And this lady wants to run for statewide office (Comptroller)???
She was Rahmulus's Chief Cheerleader in the Hispanic community and she's rewarded with a nod to run for higher office & financial backing. Her main claim to fame was eliminating the artwork on city stickers after picking one with gang symbols as well as a crackdown on puppy mills. I feel so much safer with all that hard work.
Maybe she could create a display of old city stickers that used to have artwork for the Lucas Museum of narrative art. Hervie could narrate with a song and sing a duet with little Louie Gutierrez on the values of good citizenship and avoiding gangs and joyriding in hot cars.
Mendoza = RAHM. She doesn't have my vote & i vote. Hope you vote, too!

5/13/2016 06:02:00 AM  
Blogger Big Daddy said...

When I moved out of state I asked the guy down the road wher I could pick up my city sticker. He asked me what that was. He never heard of a city sticker or a wheel tax.

5/13/2016 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need to move. Was living in Cook County, sticker was $30 a year. Moved to Will County,this town actually eliminated the sticker program, raised the Com Ed tax slightly to cover it. Sticker here was $30 also. No more stupid stickers yearly....I feel for you Chicago mandated living cops. The City of Chicago stinks.

5/13/2016 07:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny is Little suzy gonna write the ticket?

I am deciding to give my own grace period I think the tax payer deserves a break.

We all make mistakes...

I even have a crayon and will circle the expired city stickers if i see it.

5/13/2016 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

Rahm' s voters are very needy. Pony up.

5/13/2016 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Middle class neighborhood? Here? Not any more...

5/13/2016 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About time. The state never gives you a grace period, so why should the city?

5/13/2016 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now fellow officers.....what did you expect 9 1/2 and the 50 thieves to do? When HALF the city is on welfare, WIC, food stamps, housing vouchers, subsidized electric and gas bills, free breakfasts, lunches, and after school food, where do you think the $$$ has to come from?
Up your Def Comp pay amount, enroll in department-paid college, get yourself a couple of degrees in business, IT, HR, etc, etc, and get OUT of this cesspool as soon as you can...
Let the meter maids write those tickets, since 9 1/2 and the 50 thieves changed the law so they could write any parked car for this violation. We got enough haters in this city, we don't need to pimp for this administration.

Stay safe my brothers and sisters....and carry your lawyers phone number in your pocket....

5/13/2016 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

will the law be evenly enforced? hell f'kn no. will the camera van be fortified like an armored car? forget the bike guy too. insurance? how about a valid drivers license? yea, thought so.

is the connected pilot brothers still around?

5/13/2016 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've noticed them walking in Mt greenwood all the time now. Fuck this city

5/13/2016 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Pigpen said...

And the city is broke?

5/13/2016 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that %60 late fee seems awfully cheap for a city "in need" :) & what's with the tiny, miniscule $200 fine ??? Not even chicken feed for a city in such deep need

5/13/2016 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A $200 ticket is not "nickel and dining."

5/13/2016 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another embezzlement tax forced down the throats of the wee citizens of Shitcago. No wonder why people are leaving this town in droves.

5/13/2016 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago desperately needs the money and the fee is fair and aboveboard. The citizens of Chicago should be willing to spend more of their $$$ for the benefits, pleasures,opportunities and prestige of living in the second greatest city in the nation. Second only to NYC.

5/13/2016 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Police should not be a source of big income for the city. Stop writing tickets that enrich the city right now just like NY did.

5/13/2016 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you enforce this ordinance the city will reap the cash and the police will reap the hate.

5/13/2016 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess my plans to die and get buried in Chicago is out. After 5 generations, time to hit the brick' out of Chicago to somewhere no to get whacked. The city is way beyond getting any better. The democrats will be setting up tolls on expressways,
soon.
My heart goes out to all CPD dealing with the new breed murders.

5/13/2016 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone wonder why so many people keep cars registered in other states? Could there be a possible explanation?

5/13/2016 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm don't give a ....... He would take the ship down and sink it with a raft boat that would have plenty of money in it to last him forever,he don't care about you or I,it's about failure and gains with him ,if he can't win he'll sink it,you try to balance an impossible budget ,claim your broke ,file for bankruptcy ,or just sink the ship give up and float into the sunset with million to an island that you can start over again,where you can be the center of attention and have mics shoved in your face for comment ,making you feel real important.....not!

5/13/2016 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's take a ride on susie's journey:
*started as a receptionist for ray frias
*Connected with Burke and was in the state house (Accomplished nothing)
* she gets Burke and the hispanic blessing made city clerk
*She fires/terminates numerous Caucasian managers replaces them with (her people) hispanics with bigger salaries
*Susie "builds a wall" to keep people out of her office staffs area (Don't say anything she will make it 10 feet higher lol)
*Susie has city sticker contest honors gangbanger "I aint in no gangs herbie"
*Is told by numerous people about putting her gang banging city stickers throughout city, then she renigs and gives Herbie a cool $1,000 go away prize
* Has a staff of "investigators" that do nothing more than duplicate what revenue people do albeit at an extremely high salary.
* She has a driver tried to get CPD not sure if she accomplished that!
*Running for another office but keeping clerks job in case she loses, Susie don't go away mad just go away.
* lastly Susie is or has moved 2 tenured longtime Caucasian city employees from her archer av. office to downtown to replace with her hispanic organization people, which is triggering another lawsuit another really dumb move! Pathetic! Racist!

5/13/2016 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
No,no vans will be on patrol in Pilsen , little village , hum bolt park ,west lawn , Garcia ridge , next stop Englewood , Austin , Gresham
Now would you like to buy the skyway ? For you $1,000,000 .

5/13/2016 12:41:00 AM

Don't forget in 018, 019, 020, 024 and some areas of 016 & 017.

5/13/2016 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will gladly write tickets for this. I have to buy one so do you.

5/13/2016 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say good. This entire f---ing country is "all about me" that we are too lazy to buy the sticker before the expiration. What the f--- is the difference. I'll bet your ass was in the bar on your 21st birthday. You get the notice far enough in advance to have the sticker on time. Stop with the cry baby bullshit already!

5/13/2016 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...And another moving van pulls up in a middle class neighborhood in Chicago."

It isn't just the middle class neighbors who are moving.
Building a life is a good or even a pricy neighborhood is no longer a defense against the urban blight. We have all seen this on SCC and more importantly on our bills and just observations.

He is determined to despoil any good neighborhoods left in America and do it at our expense to insure the power of the Demo-communists. He has sneaked in illegals by the thousands over our borders who will now vote in the next election citizenship be damned. He is bringing in so called "Syrian Refugees" by the planeload under our noses.

Obama is the ultimate poverty pimp and is ready to hand off the reigns to Hillary or Bernie to continue the destruction. God help us.

We have seen the start of this but here is how he intend to destroy what I left that is good in America at our expense.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

Stay Safe. Register and VOTE.

5/13/2016 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Say goodnight Gracie. Goodnight Gracie.

5/13/2016 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She steady thirsty like a mug on ma mama foh.

5/13/2016 03:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

* She has a driver tried to get CPD not sure if she accomplished that!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Well, lets just say there is an M plated car in her garage.........Looks a lot like the PO PO to me.... ;)

5/13/2016 05:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I checked Suzie's website to see what the sticker pay is. Says $85.97 - Went to the cityofchicago website to purchase, the price quoted in $86.69 - a 72 cents difference. I'm not giving this city 1cent extra. I double-checking Susie's website and it's quoting last year's price!

5/13/2016 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm going after the leeches of this city...

5/13/2016 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone wonder why so many people keep cars registered in other states? Could there be a possible explanation?

5/13/2016 12:26:00 PM
They can and will ticket you the law is not registered but where vehicle is "garaged or parked" look around by Orange line cars on street with parking permits pilots etc out of state plates but they have Chicago sticker displayed! Is Mendoza trying to hire more hispanics for investigator jobs, that are the same jobs done by revenue?

5/13/2016 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's find more ways to fuck with the legitimate tax paying citizens.
The Link card abusing, SSI scamming ghetto rats don't buy city stickers.

5/13/2016 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Chicago desperately needs the money and the fee is fair and aboveboard. The citizens of Chicago should be willing to spend more of their $$$ for the benefits, pleasures,opportunities and prestige of living in the second greatest city in the nation. Second only to NYC.

5/13/2016 11:10:00 AM

This Troll / Instigator has been busy planting these gems all over the blog today. Goof.

5/13/2016 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


About time. The state never gives you a grace period, so why should the city?

5/13/2016 08:16:00 AM

State isn't charging late fees, since they stopped sending out license plate notifications.

5/13/2016 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I even have a crayon and will circle the expired city stickers if i see it.

5/13/2016 07:34:00 AM

Love this idea!!

5/13/2016 07:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Does anyone wonder why so many people keep cars registered in other states? Could there be a possible explanation?

5/13/2016 12:26:00 PM
And did you ever bother to check the second page when running a plate? All registered owners of the vehicle and their Current DL are listed. And have you checked the City Clerks website? States that regardless of registration, city residents are required to purchase and display. And have you forgotten the vehicle form City Employees have to fill out every year where we are required to list the make and plate # and the serial # of the city sticker on each vehicle?

Anonymous Anonymous said...
will the law be evenly enforced? hell f'kn no. will the camera van be fortified like an armored car? forget the bike guy too. insurance? how about a valid drivers license? yea, thought so.

5/13/2016 09:04:00 AM


If you don't know how to enforce in a "fair and equal manner" I understand the new agency that's replacing IPRA is hiring.


/regards

That Guy on a Bike

Permanently detailed to work 016 & 017




5/13/2016 07:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yeah , 200.00 for a pickup ? Keep it for 10 years it's an extra 2,000.00 tax.
thanks Rahm .

5/13/2016 12:59:00 AM


Look on the bright side....

As of 5/18/2016 you no longer are required to get that damn Pickup Truck/Van permit in addition to your city sticker.

But please check out the wording of 9-64-170E

We start hunting for unmarked Commercial Use vehicles/2nd Division vehicles hard core as of the official ordinance amendment announcement next week.

Guy on a Bike.

5/13/2016 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Funny is Little suzy gonna write the ticket?

I am deciding to give my own grace period I think the tax payer deserves a break.

We all make mistakes...

I even have a crayon and will circle the expired city stickers if i see it.

5/13/2016 07:34:00 AM

Remember that little Suzy has her own staff of License Investigators rolling around the City in unmarked, non city fleet vehicles. I've heard some even Carry Concealed while working. I've also heard they have new access to be able to compare vehicle owner info against city employment records, property ownership records and water bills.

And one other thought...

If you are going to cherry pick how you enforce Title 9 ordinances, then Lateral out. Do it equally or don't do it at all, including street cleaning to the jagoff in 025 that skips some vehicles on the blocks and writes others on the same block

5/13/2016 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's take a ride on susie's journey:
*started as a receptionist for ray frias
*Connected with Burke and was in the state house (Accomplished nothing)
* she gets Burke and the hispanic blessing made city clerk
*She fires/terminates numerous Caucasian managers replaces them with (her people) hispanics with bigger salaries
*Susie "builds a wall" to keep people out of her office staffs area (Don't say anything she will make it 10 feet higher lol)
*Susie has city sticker contest honors gangbanger "I aint in no gangs herbie"
*Is told by numerous people about putting her gang banging city stickers throughout city, then she renigs and gives Herbie a cool $1,000 go away prize
* Has a staff of "investigators" that do nothing more than duplicate what revenue people do albeit at an extremely high salary.
* She has a driver tried to get CPD not sure if she accomplished that!
*Running for another office but keeping clerks job in case she loses, Susie don't go away mad just go away.
* lastly Susie is or has moved 2 tenured longtime Caucasian city employees from her archer av. office to downtown to replace with her hispanic organization people, which is triggering another lawsuit another really dumb move! Pathetic! Racist!

5/13/2016 12:33:00 PM

Sounds like the Cook County Clerks office.

5/13/2016 08:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll say it again. There are a lot of people that live in Chicago and register their
vehicles outside of Chicago. Let's call them scofflaws. They register their vehicles
at mommy and daddy's house, the summer home, a relative's home, anywhere
they can have their registration sent to. These same people then park their vehicles
on Chicago streets freely, while the rest of us pay the wheel tax. My solution is
requiring all vehicles that park on city streets overnight, to be required to display
a city sticker. So if you are in town from the burbs and you are having an overnight
visit with your significant other you will have to purchase a city sticker. Whatever
the scenario, if you are parked on a Chicago street during the overnight hours
you will have to buck up like the rest of us. Hey Rahm, instead of finding ways to
fleece the honest residents like me, why don't you go after the scofflaws that avoid the
wheel tax, late fees and fines altogether. This idea would not affect businesses since
enforcement would take place during the overnight hours. Hey Mendoza and the 50
thieves are reading this? Pass the ordinance and let's increase revenue and free up
some street parking spots. Now I will wait for the criticism and name calling from the
SCOFFLAWS.

5/13/2016 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For $200/day ticket, one can easily justify the cost of a forwarding mailbox located just outside the Shitty limits. Register the vehicle to that address. Some of them will even give you a "physical address" to satisfy those fools that won't accept a PO box...

What was that line Princess Leia said to Darth Vader in Star Wars about things slipping thru the grip as they tighten it?

5/13/2016 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The NYPD rank and file scared the crap out of the administration when they stopped handing out tickets for two weeks. Their socialists in City Hall realized that the city budget was going to be broken if the cop didn't start issuing tickets quickly. Lots of tickets to keep the city budget afloat!

5/13/2016 01:30:00 AM

The Chicago Police Dept used to use ticket revenue to pay for the police budget, which is the largest city Dept, (now it is the Dept of Revenue) but the meters were sold and all that revenue was gone. The taxpayers are now exclusively the piggy bank. Sad.

5/13/2016 10:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'll say it again. There are a lot of people that live in Chicago and register their
vehicles outside of Chicago. Let's call them scofflaws. They register their vehicles
at mommy and daddy's house, the summer home, a relative's home, anywhere
they can have their registration sent to. These same people then park their vehicles
on Chicago streets freely, while the rest of us pay the wheel tax. My solution is
requiring all vehicles that park on city streets overnight, to be required to display
a city sticker. So if you are in town from the burbs and you are having an overnight
visit with your significant other you will have to purchase a city sticker. Whatever
the scenario, if you are parked on a Chicago street during the overnight hours
you will have to buck up like the rest of us. Hey Rahm, instead of finding ways to
fleece the honest residents like me, why don't you go after the scofflaws that avoid the
wheel tax, late fees and fines altogether. This idea would not affect businesses since
enforcement would take place during the overnight hours. Hey Mendoza and the 50
thieves are reading this? Pass the ordinance and let's increase revenue and free up
some street parking spots. Now I will wait for the criticism and name calling from the
SCOFFLAWS.


5/13/2016 08:18:00 PM


I submitted that suggestion to my Assistant Director and the Alderperson of the 43rd ward where I used to live before moving to Jeff Park. I suggest it cover all streets that fit the definition of Residential under code 9-4-010 and that are not Active Residential Permit Zones (6p to 6am or w/e). And cover 9pm to 9am every day. And to Empower the "several wards" to sell an "Overnight Residential Street parking permit" for those people that have guests from out of town or state or the country come and visit. And I even suggested it to the former 38th Ward Ald and the Former 41st and 43rd Ward Ald.


Anyone hear care to comment on what it is like trying to get Ald Burnett to listen to a good idea that wasn't originally His?


Finance Guy on a Bike.


But this would cost all you "We play the game" city employees one way or the other.
You think it's bad with Finance out in 'certain' city employee heavy areas right now?

Just think what this would do for the Overnight coverage with the Ser Co contractors that Have a quota. That Wisconsin Pickup Truck that always parks around Olmsted and Ogallah for example...Blue Pickup Truck Permit...No City Sticker.

Guy on a Bike.

5/13/2016 10:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have two cars that I keep in my garage with no city stickers. No tickets as of yet. I've been beating the city for 6 years now. Ha!

5/14/2016 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

* She has a driver tried to get CPD not sure if she accomplished that!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Well, lets just say there is an M plated car in her garage.........Looks a lot like the PO PO to me.... ;)

5/13/2016 05:02:00 PM
I think that when she stood and supported rahm that was the deal, D-3 paid valets like the treasurer has (more waste), and a city car bet it is all police spec equipment! Talk about an inactive city clerk and racist to boot! maybe she should just resign!!

5/14/2016 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'll say it again. There are a lot of people that live in Chicago and register their
vehicles outside of Chicago. Let's call them scofflaws. They register their vehicles
at mommy and daddy's house, the summer home, a relative's home, anywhere
they can have their registration sent to. These same people then park their vehicles
on Chicago streets freely, while the rest of us pay the wheel tax. My solution is
requiring all vehicles that park on city streets overnight, to be required to display
a city sticker. So if you are in town from the burbs and you are having an overnight
visit with your significant other you will have to purchase a city sticker. Whatever
the scenario, if you are parked on a Chicago street during the overnight hours
you will have to buck up like the rest of us. Hey Rahm, instead of finding ways to
fleece the honest residents like me, why don't you go after the scofflaws that avoid the
wheel tax, late fees and fines altogether. This idea would not affect businesses since
enforcement would take place during the overnight hours. Hey Mendoza and the 50
thieves are reading this? Pass the ordinance and let's increase revenue and free up
some street parking spots. Now I will wait for the criticism and name calling from the
SCOFFLAWS.

5/13/2016 08:18:00 PM
=====
They also do it to avoid paying full price for their insurance. If they're caught they can be dropped from their policy for rate evasion. Their claims can be denies as well. It's dumb.

5/14/2016 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:50 PM. Very good idea
No sticker , ticket issued this will stop the BS
If they prove it was an overnight visitor $2.00 fine every day the car was parked on a city street between 0100-0600 hrs.

5/14/2016 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you never see revenue in Austin, Englewood, Roseland??? Scared? Racism against white residents??? What is it?

5/15/2016 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ticket the fuckin bicycle assholes!

5/15/2016 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What was that line Princess Leia said to Darth Vader in Star Wars about things slipping thru the grip as they tighten it?

5/13/2016 09:55:00 PM

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One talented woman. Kinda self defeating though.Still, might be interesting.

5/16/2016 08:24:00 PM  

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