Rahm Document Dump
And he's proud of screwing the retirees:
- Rahm brags about eliminating health care for retired city workers.
Emanuel’s controversial call to phase out Chicago’s retiree health program will leave some 10,000 of workers on the hook for coverage—a move he publicly touted as a regrettable but necessary cost-saving measure. In the email, however, Emanuel comes off as downright boastful about the move. Wealthy investor Henry Feinberg asks, “Since when did Rahm Emanuel let a judicial ruling get in his way and not find a creative work around solution[?]” Emanuel replies, “Never which is why I eliminated health care. Only elected official to eliminate not cut or reform a benefit. Thank you vey much. A 175 million saving!”
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
85 Comments:
guess they forgot to redact rahms email address from the looks of this email.. whoops
What a douche
The word jagoff pretty much sums up the prick.
Maybe if he cut the healthcare for the aldercreatures he could save even more millions?
Well the little man screwed all of the retirees . How does the prick sleep at night
Rahm you Arrogant Ass!
Thank-you Mr. Henry J. Feinberg for standing up to Rahm on this matter and publishing this email. Maybe Donald J. Trump isn't the only honest rich man in this country.
Now that we have this email, what do we do with it?
Are there others? What is the "Attachments : 001.gif"?
My bet is that it is Rahm flipping the bird.
Would FOP and Dean Angelo say anything? Rahm would not like that a bit so it might as well be a fart in the wind and written with invisible ink.
I would like to see our attorney Clinton Krislov subpoena Rahm and drag his ass before the court and see what he says.
All of the unions endorsed rahm at a huge double cost to retirees, who are taxpayers too....with folks leaving daily for other states...we fools will have killed our-selves off or gone flat broke. How does Burke live with him-self as grandfather of city council?
Boasting about screwing decent, hardworking people
out of something they earned?
Oh wait...
Rahm did boast that he was going to
"Stick it in the Cops ear."
Right?
Rahm parachuted into Chicago SPOILING
for this fight.
Besides... It's safer to hurt Police retirees
and surviving spouses than to even breath a
single breath against those of his voter base
who are contributing to Chicago's butcher's bill.
Police retirees and their surviving spouses
aren't likely to crash a burning car through
the front door of Rahm's house like
you-know-who...
(Well... Not quite yet.
Rahm is banking on your "Decency"
and moral compass to keep such from
actually coming to pass)
You know... The you-know-whos that Rahm and his
ilk are deathly afraid of so they have managed to
war-game these intellectually disinterested creatures
into being a potent political weapon against the
upright people of this town who pay the freight to make it go...
Rahm Emanuel is a total failure as a man
and a human being...
May he reap every grace and mercy he has ever shown.
He WILL be made to pay for the way he plays.
Viva Hate...
Dean was on the cusp of endorsing Rahm . He was only to be stopped by the active coppers at Fop board meeting and a handful of brave retirees .
If all 10,000 workers walk off the job and strike, he'll be forced to reinstate your coverage. Health Insurance Matters!
The union takes money from us but represents the intrests of the city . ....why the fuck are we still paying them ?
This guy is a complete dick.
The man is pure evil.
What a nice guy! Time to lift the residency. It's the only way to attract more applicants.
And they tried to shut you down SCC! Lol! I fucking love this blog it's the only voice we have these days. A way to get the info out there. This place is a support system for us blueshirts who are stuck in the threnches. Keep up the good work. You know you're onto something when the mayor tries to discredit you and the Eddie and his minions do the same. They're afraid of you.
Rahm is an evil, pompous asshole.
There's a special place in Hell for assholes like him.
There was an attachment to this email. Where is it and what was it?
POS Rahm and the ass that is communicating with him.
Who revels in someone else's misfortune?
I believe in karma and have patience waiting for it. Can't wait to see what's in store for Rahm.
Money over people's lives.
Just like we believe you never say McDonald shooting video?
You are a pandering liar. And now the citizens can read it for themselves
Pack you dradel and move on. You destroyed the great city and police department.
Go write your book or get indicted.
The firedepartments union endorsed Rahm last election, plumbers union endorsed him and let him use their hall for his campaign headquarters. I'm sure I'm missing many more, those are the only ones I'm %100 sure of. Sell out union officials are politicians themselves. They couldn't give a shit about their dumb back breaking members.
How much did he save by cutting this benefit? 175 mil?
CHA'S budget is close to a billion every year. A billion dollars so people can live in subsidized housing with no intention of ever picking themselves up and getting out of there. It's become a generational birthright. All because a certain community can guarantee a certain number of votes. Meanwhile, people who dedicated their lives to public service are illegally denied a contractual benefit because it's politically easier to screw them over.
And the Alderman get, what, a million dollar per year slush fund. That's 50 million per year. If an officer has been on 20 years, then in his career he's seen a billion dollars of city tax payer money flushed through a Democratic party money laundering scheme.
Methinks someone showed Rahm Emanuel what policemen have saved in deferred comp. I'm sure those figures are available to him. He probably wants to get at that lump of change somehow, and retiree health care is an indirect way for the City to loot our deferred comp savings because now, what else can you use that money for BESIDES paying for your insurance especially if you have others on your coverage?
I told people this snake would be worse than Daley. Daley was just a contemptible buffoon when it came to hurting us. But this guy... he really knows how to cut to the bone.
I hope President Trump crushes this little mother fucker!
Fuck you Mr. Henry J. Feinberg you fawning pussy. Tell us, does your little pee pee get tingly when Rahm sticks it to the old and infirm ?
Morons will still vote for him!
Anonymous said...
Dean was on the cusp of endorsing Rahm . He was only to be stopped by the active coppers at Fop board meeting and a handful of brave retirees .
12/24/2016 12:42:00 AM
Funny thing, that almost endorsement...
If we remember correctly, the North Shore
sissy-man was allegedly beside himself
over not getting the f(l)op endorsement...
This after showing up at a fire-house and
shit-talking working firemen: "You guys are
gonna have to learn to bleed."
Of course you have the famous:
"We're gonna stick it in the cops ear."
Why was it so important for Rahm to pick
a fight with very necessary people?
Why couldn't he pick this fight with
the ghetto tax and resource sponges
who are robbing, raping and banging off
guns at everything they see?
Rahm is a typical nasty Norh Shore
progressive classist and an out-loud bigot
who thinks his money and influence are
going to save him in the end.
Does anyone know if retired Chicago Public School Teachers retain their health care benefits during retirement?
Not a religious person, but sure do believe in karma.......
What goes around, does come around......
Someday, 9 1/2 will be forced to remember how he abandoned 10,000 older citizens, who gave their 30 years worth of youth to this city...
Only to be repaid in their retirement with his dishonesty, apathy and scorn....
Only saving grace to come out of this is the fact that this man's political futures are dead.....
Dead, Dead, Dead......
My wife and I are two of the retirees losing our healthcare coverage. I had 34 years on the job.
It's going to cost us $16,000+ a year for my wife because she is not Medicare. My bill will be about a third of that.
You can imagine what that will do to our finances.
The worst part is we started the process in October. Blue Cross Blue Shield claims to have lost my wife's application twice even though it was mailed in BCBS's pre-printed envelope and then faxed. As of Christmas Eve day she has nothing from them and the end of the year is only two weeks away. NOBODY will help us. Calls to BCBS are a waste of time. They tell you any garbage to get you off the line.
Thanks Rahm. You did a number on the retirees. I see by your recently released emails you're very happy.
The City is sinking fast and it doesn't make any difference which deck you are on when it goes down.
HEY media ass hats!
all those pretty emails that RAHM states disappear after 90 days is bullshit.
You can start by requesting all the retired and current exempt emails.
If you used those peanut brains of yours You would start all the way from the infamous WEIS followed by jersey shore and round it up with the special ED.
They are all saved and even show log in info so nobody can say they were forged or hacked. (its required by law look it up lazy)
I still did not see the media person for RAHMS emails who seems to filter all the email is it to hard to figure this out?
BGA,FRAN, Chubby GOUHDIE and even the clownish SNEED have great jobs.
Dickhead.
The Godfather of Chicago is good.
Yet coppers still body guard him for the money.
Sadly no one will really put the fire to Rahm's feet over this. And even if they do, he'll just have the Supe answer for him like he does for everything else.
What a nice guy! Time to lift the residency. It's the only way to attract more applicants.
To those always talking about lifting residency, have you every thought how that might affect home values? Housing prices are just starting to come back in some neighborhoods, No residency clause, the value of your house will hit rock bottom. That dream house in the 'burbs will be way out of reach and you'll be stuck living in trailer park.
Right after Raccoon Eyes announced his decision to stop funding retiree health care he donated $100 million to the new DePaul basketball arena at McCormick Place. Screw us and then piss the money away on bottomless rat hole projects. The Chicago Way.
But,they will still vote for the same........SAD
What a miserable,venal little prick! I hope he rots in hell when his time comes!
and yet he has millions to spend on protecting illegal aliens............
can someone from the federal government please step in and arrest this nut job??
What an asshole
Ruining the retirement of thousands so he can redirect the money to his pet projects
Fuck him..
And don't buy the blue double cross insurance or anything to do with the chity unless it is out of shear necessity.
Have a relative that works in City Hall. The Mayor is very worried about “his image”.
He has people read every newspaper including this blog everyday to gauge his “current image” and report back to him.
He has very real fears of the term “A FAILURE” when they talk about him and is afraid of the term “PART TIME MAYOR” as he is always going out of town. He Never wants those terms used with his name!! He also has a fear of mentioning “THE OVER 4,000 SHOOTINGS.” Staffers are not permitted to address the total numbers at any meetings.
Have the Police ever wondered what happened to the Billions of dollars allocated for Police Manpower every year that never gets spent because your Department is dangerously low?
There is no money for Police Retirees but ALL of his staff received hefty 20%+ raises just a few weeks ago.
World Business Chicago has been paying for Rahms trips. They receive taxpayer money. The Director there is Tom Bartkoski who just happens to be the husband of Jaydean Chou Chief of Security for CPS even though she completely lacks any law enforcement experience. Now you know why the schools are out of control.
And most of the key staff has been “brought in” from out of town. Start with your Dept spokesman or Collins before him. Their qualification?? They worked for Hillary.
Remember NEVER say Emmanuel is A FAILURE as Mayor, or PART TIME MAYOR and don’t mention the term OVER 4,000 SHOT. Those words get him so mad.
Remember, Rahm made a deal to release his emails, and he chose which emails were appropriate to be released.
You can assume Rahm wanted everyone to see this.
Love how all these corrupt democrats have their own lines of communication--unavailable to any accountability or even knowledge by the "uneducated" serfs they lord over.
Let's just take a moment and be thankful we have such glorious rulers that take time out from their glorious lives to look our way once in a great while.
Everyone should take this single email as a Lesson in Political Reality 101! Your parents and Grandparents who taught you that the Democrat Party was the Party of the Poor, Elderly and Working Class, were WRONG! They were not Liars, because they were being fed bullshit from their Unions, Da Machine, and the Lap Dog Media. They were too busy working second jobs and paying parochial school tuition, like most cops today, so they should not be blamed. No, WE SHOULD BLAME OURSELVES, BECAUSE IN THIS AGE OF ALTERNATIVE NEWS, WE SHOULD KEEP UP WITH REALITY. Yet, I know cops who voted for Rahm, Obama and even Hillary! As for the Democrat Part, Oh, yes they are the Party of the Poor, as long as the Poor are willing to remain poor, and remain on the Plantation. If you are Black, like Clarence Thomas and walk off of the Plantation, God Help You, suddenly you are Uncle Tom. Face Reality the Democrat Party is no longer the Party of the Working Man and certainly not the Elderly. Remember, Zeke Emanuel, architect of Obamacare? Zeke wrote the book: "The Ends of Human Life", and he is an ardent supporter, of Euthanasia, for some of those elderly! Do you think Zeke had some input in his brother Rahm's final decision on healthcare for retirees? Those of you still working, remember we were Promised Healthcare, now what Promises will they break with YOU and your families? DO NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, BEYOND PROTECTING EACH OTHER AND ANSWERING YOUR CALLS. The Media is covering where Rahm and his family is vacationing this week, like everything else,it is a Conspiracy between the Media and Da Machine. But they cannot control the "Beast" without YOU. Let the Beast Run Wild! Baby"G"
BUT he gives 1 million to illegals! This wil be his last term
Anonymous said...
Dean was on the cusp of endorsing Rahm . He was only to be stopped by the active coppers at Fop board meeting and a handful of brave retirees .
12/24/2016 12:42:00 AM
I have to call BULLSHIT on your post. The vote was 20 for no endorsement. 6 votes for Garcia. And ONE (1) vote for Rahm. That vote came from Mark Donahue who is bought and paid for by the 19th Ward and City Hall.
This is the link to the vote:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5516f090e4b01b711314608f/t/55bef1bae4b0b735a4b4f39c/1438577082849/april-2015-newsletter.pdf
I have to rate your post 5 out of 5 Pinocchio’s.
No big deal..... I rake in 100k in OT to cover the future costs
One way, or the other....the city will pay.
Be careful Mayor, this case is coming up to the Illinois highest court and state workers won their case about the same medical issues.
Guess I'm gonna be here till I'm 60. Not one more CB number. Not one ISR. Gonna pay me a lot of money to do just about nothing.
How do any of the coppers on the mayors detail look themselves in the mirror. I guess everyone has a price. Whores
Face it...with Obama in the White House Rahm figured it was a great time to screw cops.
Now with Trump in the White House it should be a great time to screw Rahm.
The question will be, just like Obama in his last days is giving the finger to the opposition by releasing prisoners, screwing Israel and other stuff, how much damage will Rahm try to do on his way down.
What a useless piece of shit that little worm is, of course all the criminal cover up emails have been deleted by bleach bit...ala hillary
Piece of dog shit
Fucking with retirees? That is one cold, evil bastard.
Whether you voted for Trump or not, the fact that Cankles Clinton did not win put an end to the little weenie's grander political ambitions.
He will never win another term.
Rahm makes the Grinch look like a nice guy.
Dear Politicians and Command staff.
Tell me again why we have to sacrifice ourselves for your popularity. You have depleted or are letting our pension deplete to the point of insolvency. And now we have you to thank (yes, all of you prick-winkle) to what amounts to piss poor health care. We are not an accountant, doctor, white collar employee, judge or an ASS KISSING COOK COUNTY POLITICIAN. We are the people who are called to fight for those who can't. And now you want to lower the standards for our profession to your level.
Your cowering to the masses proclaiming the police are the problem has made us realize our self preservation and our family's is more important than yours. Command staff, are you listening? You want us to go out and enforce the law risking health if not our life just so you can keep your office and ridicule us publicly in the media to appear sympathetic. Now that's pathetic. In case no one told you your actions have consequences as well. You want us to subject our family to the media and criminal seeking Foxx? We don't think so.
If you want healing to start start by backing us up in the media, fully fund our pension and restore our health care benefits.
As for our command staff, you can keep on pushing us around and intimidate us but in the end our self preservation and family's is more important than you golden pension. You need us more than we need you.
You don't think so? What are homicides at?
This is what happens when you elect a North Shore fancy boy who attended Sarah Lawrence College, majored in ballet and was a stooge for the clintons. 2 more years and the tiny dancer will be an Uber driver.♠
Rham = SCUM
God will make sure he pays. Even if it is not him directly.
He's like his piece of shit brother Zeke. That asshole thinks everyone should commit suicide when they're 72. Except the scumbag Emmanuel family. It's different for them.
Any info or bio on Emmanuel's parents? They sure raised some jagoffs.
I've seen it suggested on various blogs that we expand our hate.
Poor strategy and all around bad idea.
Our hate needs to be intensified and focused in order to be useful.
Focus your hate on Emanuel and let it color all of your actions.
Two Groups of People, You Will Never Have a Problem, Taking Advantage Of. Police Officers, Active or Retired. Outside of this Blog, They Will Never Stage A Meaningful Objection To Anything.
Christians, Same Thing.
PS: Merry Christmas To All !
Update: $175 mil to Sancturary Matters.
Crooked Rotten Rahm & his 50 SockMonkeys approve.
Stay Fetal and end his reign.
the supreme court will overturn this!prescedent already set by state case!RAHM...WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND....U RATT!!
Irony:
The Chicago electorate voted this malignant
manling to the mayoralty of this city.
Twice...
Rahm is not from Chicago.
his sympathies are not with Chicago.
Rahm has shed no blood for this city.
Rahm has cried no tears on these streets.
Rahm does not have the working-man's sensibilities.
Rahm does NOT have the courage or integrity
needed to guide this city beyond where it is mired now.
Rahm came here with the singular goal to make
Chicago the personal play-thing of the North Shore
/Gold Coast and New York/Los Angeles progressive elites.
Chicago, though it has a legacy of being a city of
tough, hard-working men and the neighborhoods where
they and their families live, work, play and pray,
is being hollowed-out by the people who have paid
for access to the 5th floor of City Hall via
campaign contributions.
Rahm is more interested in what THEY have to say than
the people who have contributed to the good that IS
Chicago for the last 180 years...
Rahm just doesn't get it.
They was I figure it I will be "sticking it in the Citys ear" for the next ten years while I wait for 60 to roll around. Not gonne be getting much police work done for the next ten years. Ha
Its funny how these fuckers think they can make you work. haha
When Rahms butt buddy Barry, the useful fool leaves office next month Thrump's new DOJ will flip the script on these sleaze politicians
Emmaual is a heartless , soulless prick that is hated by everyone but himself. When his dirty ass goes to federal prison and he loosses everything we'll get the last laugh. The man/child Rahm will make someone a easy prison bitch......
There is Rahmy again screwing old white retirees .. Money for illegals No Problemo!
.. Billions of Do-llars for illegals new CPS schools no problem!.
. Millions to shield illegals from President Trump deportations No Problem !
. No more shop in Crook County .. wake up
Rahm is a despicable piece of the stuff I scrap off my shoe when I step in dog crap. First he screws the retirees by taking away their health coverage. Then his connected company run by a Molloy tries to sell us BCBS insurance because he is concerned about us. The plan is more money than you could get on your own. Matter of fact you can get better plans for less money on your own. That bastard screws us by taking away coverage than tries to make money for the clouted on the crap they came up with. Hope he rots in hell.
"To those always talking about lifting residency, have you every thought how that might affect home values? Housing prices are just starting to come back in some neighborhoods, No residency clause, the value of your house will hit rock bottom. That dream house in the 'burbs will be way out of reach and you'll be stuck living in trailer park."
It's not going to hit rock bottom. You know nothing about the real estate market.
Whatever the city and FOP sponsored, as for those who moved out of state- you can do better on your own. Even without the tax write off and get better choices for doctors. Those plans that stick you into certain providers are great until you get something really serious. My wife got cancer 2 years ago, very happy that she had a choice of surgeons, plastic surgeons and oncologists- not people that are just foster upon you.
To the person who has a wife not eligible for Medicare, if she has some quarters with SS- there is a program to buy the rest of them for Medicare.
Emanuel replies, “Never which is why I eliminated health care. Only elected official to eliminate not cut or reform a benefit. Thank you vey much. A 175 million saving!”
A 175 million savings
These days, in government terms that doesn't sound like an awful lot of money anymore.
How much did Rahm spend on "greenways" and bike-trails. How much did he spend on his Sanctuary City New Immigrant Body Count Instant Voter Programs.
Illegal aliens vote, but cops do not. Isn't that right Dean? We are sure that six-figure second pension retirement job you have lined up will have solid gold health insurance for you and your whole family.
Please President Trump, audit the books of this city and his city and send them to Club Fed.
Rham has no shame, and he has no god other than $.
You can buy into Medicare but it's expensive. If you can work a part time job is a better option
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"To those always talking about lifting residency, have you every thought how that might affect home values? Housing prices are just starting to come back in some neighborhoods, No residency clause, the value of your house will hit rock bottom. That dream house in the 'burbs will be way out of reach and you'll be stuck living in trailer park."
It's not going to hit rock bottom. You know nothing about the real estate market.
12/24/2016 05:24:00 PM
Without the pool of city workers needing to live in the city, then yes Chicago home values will drop considerably because no one will be required to live in Chicago.
Anonymous said . . .
. . . The man/child Rahm will make someone a easy prison bitch......
12/24/2016 04:57:00 PM
I remembered this little gem from the Bob & Tom radio show. A special song for Rahm, presented by the Ghost of Christmas Future!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkAGFfqVJSQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I don't understand this entire thing. Me- just retired- I was a cop ( Lt) for 42 yrs in New York. We have Medicare at 65 plus job provided medical plan. Don't you guys in Chicago pay fica and Medicare? I ' m sorry but how can you not have Medicare. Do you guys have a pba?Who negotiates your contracts? How can the city just tear up medical coverage ?
I just retired- when I went down they had everything laid out for me and told me what to do- excess pension funds-- pension loans- deferred compensation money - medical stuff - everything.
Don't you guys have a pba drug plan, eyeglasses, health and welfare fund?
Hey, 12/26/2016 12:17:00 AM, could you please ask your pba people to come to Chicago? Right now would be the perfect time to start recruiting votes for a good union. Except, if you had to work 42 yrs to get those benefits, never mind!
people that hurt others by taking away health insurance will receive karma
maybe ten years of needing health insurance to live with a painful , slow illness
time will tell
get well cards will be sent to remind him of his dirty deeds
No I aged out- Crazy as it sounds Liked the job. I was a cop for 20 yrs- then one day decide to take the Sgt exam- and horror of horrors- I decided I liked being a boss. I could have retired at 20- but what was I going to do I was only 40- so I took the Lt exam- passed and got a detail. I was happy- work was fun- cops were good- and one day I woke up and I was 62_ and I was aged out.
I have to say it- the job was much more fun in the 80's-- I miss the crack wars-- the best jokes I ever heard were standing over a few dead mutts. After 9/11 the job just died- the kids on the job started getting sick- it was painful to read the orders and see all the names getting surveyed off , or retired due to illness.
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Any United States Attorney will tell you that mobsters and politicians make the worst witnesses when testifying on their own behalf. Rahm is both a mobster and a politician.
Look at what Shortshanks is doing to avoid testifying, feigning dementia.
I could only hope the dementia is true and he lives a long time in diapers as a karma payback for what he has done.
Our Attorney Clint Krislov should subpoena Rahm and his emails and show his arrogant ass to the court and the world. He probably would testify even tough his lawyers would tell him capitulate and give us our medical insurance back.
Stay Safe. 175 million isn't that much anymore.
To those always talking about lifting residency, have you every thought how that might affect home values?
Let me live out of the city and I wouldn't give a damn what the property values are. The ONLY place this shithead Mayor is worried about is the DOWNTOWN and near downtown areas. If you think he's worried about property values where city employees tend to buy, northwest side of the city and southwest side, you gotta be dreaming.
To the NON-Medicare people like myself.
After 32 years and NO contributions to Medicare from the city I found myself asking, "WTF do I do now?" The city was allowed to NOT pay into Medicare/Social Security to "save money." Why? Because the city was going to provide us with a PENSION and HEALTH CARE till the day we died. Now this POS prick on the 5th floor is taking part of that away from us and working to get the other, to "save" the taxpayers money.
Went to the FOP meetings with the Insurance companies and found that all they could offer were policies for Medicare Eligible employees. NON-Medicare were still basically on their own. They had policies, like the shit policy the city is offering, that would cost anywhere from ONE QUARTER to HALF my pension. Now What?
Went to the local Social Security Office and asked if I was eligible for coverage under the wife's Medicare. I explained why I didn't have Medicare and, apparently, Social Security is aware what this asshole mayor has done. The woman I was talking to asked how could the city do something like this to us? I could only answer, "an asshole mayor." She asked if the wife was on Medicare, "no not till 65, 2 years down the line." So no I was not eligible. JUST GREAT! Now what? She then told me I could "Buy In" to Medicare, the only difference is I'm not eligible to pick during their regular registration time. I need to wait to register in the "General Registration" period, Jan - March and the Medicare wouldn't take effect until July 1.
OK so don't get sick between 1 Jan - 30 Jun. Now, how much is this going to cost? $413.00 for part A $134.00 for part B when the wife takes her Medicare the $413.00 goes away and I'm covered under her Medicare.
Hope this little bit of information is helpful to you.
Since it is in the State constitution about the "retirement" benefits and RAHM broke the law who is going to arrest him? and that lil one who called him to step down and come and be in charge of the city so he lil one could retire and feign illness when asked about certain things...then get hired by a top law firm KM and be paid to be a consultant? even though he cant remember they both should be in prison with their millions in assets frozen because they are THIEVES.....move over Detroit here we come....
why isn't the DOJ investigating any of them
DOJ you there? HELLO HELLO DOJ feather in cap!!!
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