Clearance Rate Plummets
- Chicago Police detectives have solved fewer than one in five murders committed this year, the lowest rate of closing murder cases since at least 2006 — and likely a historic low, police statistics show.
Seven months into 2017, the city’s police department had “cleared” fewer than 20 percent of murder investigations involving homicides that had taken place since Jan. 1, adding to a recent dip amid a decades-long trend of unsolved homicides in the city, according to the police data studied by crime analyst Jeff Asher.
Last year, the city tallied 781 murders and only 204 arrests, a 25 percent clearance rate by Asher’s calculations
The article discusses how the numbers are "inflated" by counting previous year's murders instead of changing the totals from years past - a slightly dishonest method in our opinion - but embraced by the FBI.
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Vote for real right wing judges to send these animals off for real jail time. and build more prisons. Enough. Fuck this.
O.T. but related to yesterday's overtime post:
My question is how does a PFI who's sole job is inside administrative on days, does not do any special or vri and couldn't find 26/cal with a roadmap manage to make over $80,000 A year in overtime? More than the guys working late and in court all the time. Hey HK you better hurry up getting your business up and running before the worst commander in history retires and they figure out your scam.
To all the P.O.'s out there if you're ever involved in a shooting demand a PFI process your scene because despite what Murphy's suckholes tell you E.T.'s are not trained to do it. Hey media trolls, there's a story in itself handed to you all you have to do is write it!
Sir you're shot.
I know.
Who did it?
I don't know.
But sir we are told the shooter called out your name.
I'll take care of it later.
What?
Just call me the fucking ambulance.
OT
I saw in the latest FOP magazine that at least 4 people retired with 20 years of service. People are doing 20 and out and they're saying fuck this place. Get out as soon as you can. I'm done in 2 years.
Non-cooperation and a delusional Felony Review system.
-620 Homicide
It couldn't be the fact that this last round of promotions, which was the first in over a decade, was the most poorly ran and implemented promotional process ever? Or that kids with 3-4 years on we're among a very large number of the promoted? How can you go from the watch to detective and be expected to ACTUALLY CLEAR A CASE?!?! PO's with a brain and real time on saw the writing on the wall, intelligently predicted the future and decided to not even take the 12 HOUR TEST in the first place. Lack of experience, over worked kids with 3-4 years on will give you the miserable and down right unsafe results you see today.
This is one of the reasons I like where I live.
The local Sheriff is going to damned well solve every murder we have.
They have spent weeks and weeks searching for missing people, some were accidents, suicides, some were murders.
People killing people is deeply offensive to us. We try to stop it.
Has anyone broke out the clearance rate by race, or by district?
The police department Rahm created... thank you Rahm
Are the criminals getting better or the dicks
getting worse?
Seems like ShotSpotter and Predict-O-Crime
software have no effect on increasing the
clearance rate.
Piling on by the FBI: how long do they keep a
murder on the books? What is the time frame
before a case is classified as cold?
If the FEDS think the clearance is too low, why
don't they step in and offer help or training?
Could inexperienced Millillenals be the reason?
Maybe we have gone full circle from Dragnet. Back
then, Brylcream was considered a positive. We have the
gels now and I wonder if the gel is just a reflection of apathy
and laziness? Do the gels think things get solved by smartphones
and iPads?
IF I HAD A TESLA
If I had a Tesla, I'd drive it in the morning
I'd drive it in the evening, all over this land
I'd visit Starbucks, I'd visit Whole Foods
I'd visit the Apple Store, all over this land
I'd get my hair cut, I'd get my shoes shined
I'd pick up my laundry, all over this land
I would be friendly, I would be happy
I'd be a community cop lending a hand
I'd stamp out shootings, I'd stamp out murders
I'd clear every fucking case on those damn books
I'd drive the gangs out, drug dealers too
I'd drive out illegals, all over this land
I'd protect statues, I'd pick up litter
I'd bust my ass to climb up CAPS
All I need is a Tesla, no need for a firearm
People would respect me, all over this land
So come on Elon, get busy on that Interceptor S-U-V
I want to plug in, all over this land
Just give me an electric car and I'll show all you people
I'll show all you people how great the police can be
It's all of the above and more. You have a detective division that is still way understaffed and over worked. You have uncooperative victims and witnesses, including family members. You have an uncooperative SAO with ridiculous demands that get worse and worse each year. The offenders are getting wiser to the game and learning to keep their mouths shut. You have evidence taking months and even years to be analyzed by the ISP Crime Lab because ours was shut down years ago. The advent of ERI and video cameras EVERYWHERE means that every rule must be followed to a tee (the good old days of locking a witness in a room for a week until they cooperate are LONG gone). Times have changed. Don't blame the detectives for the low clearance rate anymore than you would blame patrol for the falling arrests. This is what the citizens and politicians wanted. I hope they choke on it.
781 murders and 204 arrest. Let's see 20 years from now approximately 25 of them will get released due to DNA evidence or false confessions and sue the city for millions.
Homicide Team aka the Elite
You forgot one more possibility, incompetent detectives.
Seguros!
Pay my seguros and I'll leave so you can use my salary to hire not one, but two budding Sherlock Holmes types who give a fuck.
"You forgot one more possibility, incompetent detectives."
You forgot one more possibility.......
When it's time to die, some where, some how, by some means, even some who, for a myriad variety of specific why's, the fundamental why applies.....that's what all bodies do.....die.
The myth of justice only matters to those who have yet to die.
And there are many who find that authority defined justice is lacking in the essential qualities of their own definition of justice.
Thus, no clearance for you, other than, occasionally, connecting the dots between this death and those that follow.
Solving the lesser puzzles provide some satisfaction.
Solving the essential, fundamental puzzle seems to be not allowed whilst body retains breath.
Just gotta wait until after that last breath.......
Nobody saw nuffin
The democrats have won. The connected commie lawyers have gotten fat on city payouts, the media has won and the black population obviously could care less who and how many they kill. 85 percent victims and offenders since 1955.
(OT) Law and order no not here but over here:Philippines' Duterte to cops: It's OK to kill 'idiots' who resist arrest
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/28/philippines-duterte-to-cops-its-ok-to-kill-idiots-who-resist-arrest.html
Bet that crime rate plummets rapidly!
You forgot one more possibility, incompetent detectives.
8/28/2017 03:45:00 AM
Bingo we have a winner!
Take my unit for example, we have a Detective who has been psyched multiple times, suspended and is a CONVICTED animal abuser. This all occurred before making Detective. How does he get rewarded? Made Detective and put in a unit on days. Can't he trusted to do any work so he just answers the phone. A total waste of oxygen.
How about incompetent?
"What's your clearance, Clarence?"
I know I know but I just couldn't help myself ...
Keep the line moving.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
IF I HAD A TESLA
If I had a Tesla, I'd drive it in the morning
I'd drive it in the evening, all over this land...
Truth be told I saw Peter, Paul and Mary a few times back in the day and this is the funniest post I've read in a long, long time. Funnier than "possum boy" ten years ago! But it's the truth. You want to reduce crime? here's a clue-TRUMP2020.
And yet the bosses stay in their spots and the homicide teams are the same. This is what happens when you have a spot because of who you know.
The clearance rate on aggravated batteries us even worse. 2%.
There is currently a total Disrespect towards the police and Lack of Cooperation from the Community, and it will get worse, much worse when Chicago Public Schools implements the Burge curriculum. Instead of teaching young people their rights, and obligations under and to the law, the Burge Curriculum is a Racist Hate Filled program, to instill Hate of the police, especially White police by Minority youth; because let's face reality, CPS is a Minority School System. Neurotic lawyers at ACLU who flee to the suburbs every night, now have their Revenge upon the Police, and their own White Guilt over the wealth they have inherited! And all of this will take a toll, first on the Police and then the Public. Last week as a young Black scholar, about to turn his life around, was arrested with a gun, after a short foot chase. The gun had been captured on video prior to the encounter, so police knew which member of the Book Club had the gun. As he was being walked to the police vehicle, a crowd formed and they began shouting at the police: "Where iz yo probable Cauz?" "You iz undertrained." Now where do you think, this group of foul breathed high school drop outs, learned about "Probable Cauz"? Have any of them ever read the U.S. Constitution, or studied Case Law? And where do you think they acquired their knowledge of training standards required of law enforcement? Obama set out to change America, and he did; but not for the better. A day of Reckoning is rapidly approaching, and I am not talking religion. Be Very Careful, and go to work prepared for the worse, have your helmets nearby. Baby "G"
Oh don't worry about a piss poor clearance rate. I'm sure it will all be blamed on President Trump by the sick minded liberal democrats that initiated the War On Police, knowing full well crime rates would go up and people would get killed.
That's how much they care.
J.J.
CANT hold witnesses for more than a few hours if that
CANT question YOUTHS with out a lawyer who will arrive 6 hours later.
Have white shirt releasing suspects on scene because they did not know they were suspects.
Plenty of videos nobody retrieving.
Plenty of officer who just can't right a lick of paper.
Plenty of nonsense DICKS still waste time investigating like shoplifting,missing, MISD domestic, and MISD battery.
Tact teams in certain districts not on any real mission.
The Clinton body count 150. FBI given new machine guns and told to shut up.
with detectives making 250 k a year
the rate of crime solving should be much higher
wtf are these detectives doing?
oh thats right, nothing :)
Hey HK, don't trust the Sgt your are always yelling at over the intercom, he is giving you up.
"Victim related that "He had heard shots, and felt pain in his abdomen" Victim taken to St. Rogers hospital by CFD #?? where Victim and on scene witnesses refused further cooperation. Any and All further Inquiries in R/O's investigation were refused." NFI
case: Suspended/Open
Just try get a muder charge from the states attorney theses days!
Every detective wants to be a "homicide" detective but no one wants to do the work.
Better get the homicide detective "Joe Kenda" on the case. LOL
I am a retired detective sergeant and I always said that when I retire I am going to be a burglar and hit man in Chicago and I will never get caught.
I have been retired 10 yrs. and I have not been arrested . LOL
That's what happens when your only interested in the first portion of the exam and only care about meritorious. Funny how some people already know they are going to be made by merit before any announcement of packets due for submission are announced.
burglary clearance rate, nationally, is 12% if I remember correctly
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Non-cooperation and a delusional Felony Review system.
-620 Homicide
8/28/2017 01:11:00 AM
But you have a tremendous captain there who can handle checkoff
The Sun Times report needs a bit more work. What is the clearance by arrest and prosecution not the overall clearance rate. Next ask Foxx what is the conviction rate.
How come yall didn't mention "fetal" as one of the possible alternative reasons for low clearance?
Oh and what about the possibility that a chunk of them weren't murders in the first place, rather just instances of self defense where the dead savage had it coming and "clearing" it would A) just identify the person who defended themselves making them a target andor B) the Rahm Squad doesn't want self defense instances counted as such, instead wanting them classified as "unsolved" in order to augment their pathetic gun control argument?
Detective manpower has certainly gotten better this year with the new classes, but just like patrol, Detectives are not sticking their necks out to go above and beyond anymore. If it's there it's there, if not oh well. Too many cameras and too much scrutiny. Nobody wants to be pulled out of retirement and persecuted for a homicide case they handled years earlier. Witnesses and family members in the community DON'T cooperate with detectives in MANY instances anyways. And one final thought when it comes to murders, how many each year are legitimate "Innocent victims??" I'd say less than 30 citywide. The city's homicides are a criminal purge. Just look at the MINS on any given day and see how many homicide victims are convicted felons, on parole, and have long rap sheets.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's all of the above and more. You have a detective division that is still way understaffed and over worked. You have uncooperative victims and witnesses, including family members. You have an uncooperative SAO with ridiculous demands that get worse and worse each year. The offenders are getting wiser to the game and learning to keep their mouths shut. You have evidence taking months and even years to be analyzed by the ISP Crime Lab because ours was shut down years ago. The advent of ERI and video cameras EVERYWHERE means that every rule must be followed to a tee (the good old days of locking a witness in a room for a week until they cooperate are LONG gone). Times have changed. Don't blame the detectives for the low clearance rate anymore than you would blame patrol for the falling arrests. This is what the citizens and politicians wanted. I hope they choke on it.
8/28/2017 03:27:00 AM
Don't forget what happened in the 90's. The new Chief of Detectives came from Patrol and brought with him a bunch of house cats and filled administrated spots. Removed or forced out seasoned Supervisors and replaced them with personal that never worked in an investigative unit or had experience in a follow-up investigation. Veteran Homicide Detectives saw the writing on the wall, and instead of passing on their experience, they retired. So in essence, all that knowledge that was honed for fifty years just vanished. The culture was killed by the Chief and his cronies during that time period, and from what I can see never recovered. Sure times have changed and that knowledge and experience that was not passed on is still affecting the Detective Division today. What is strange, the Detectives are not being held accountable for the lack of Clear-Ups.
Detectives are driven by overtime income and NOT solving any of those crimes, some make one hundred hours of it on the crime scene alone, the supervisor are in on it, so everyone gets their beaks wet...
Back in the early-mid 1980s I had a friend / acquaintance who was a Chicago Police Homicide Detective, 'Jim', (is Robbery-Homicide correct title?) who worked days out of the Harrison District.
We basically never talked about his work but then something was in the News and it involved the San Francisco PD and their Homicide Clearance rate -- It was 20%.
This time 'Jim' did talk about his work and said that the SF PD was the laughing stock of all Police Depts in the nations due to that lowly 20% Clearance Rate, as Chicago's Clearance Rate was (iirc) 85% at that time.
This was also back when witnesses talked to the police as he said that 'usually' he knew within hours of who the suspect was. He also said that they were some of the dumbest people walking around as most suspects were arrested shortly thereafter.
Well, nobodies laughing about 20% Clearance Rates now. And I'm sure Special Ed would have an orgasm if Chi's Clearance Rate hit 50%, as 85% will never be seen again.
Looking back, it sure seems to me that witnesses not talking to the police is a major factor in the decline in Clearance Rates. It sure as hell isn't due to the mutt's IQ.
The new kid detectives want to work days, weekend off, with no OT. Also, 4 year wonders on murder teams who never worked the street and write poor reports. Many have never filled out a 101. Good luck with clearance.
Overwhelmed detectives. Fewer detective areas.
Non-cooperation.
I would also add less experience in the detective division. Not promoting any detectives for a very long time while veteran detectives with an abundance of knowledge retired taking with them all their experience and leaving no one to train the new guys. Also, street coppers are doing less and less, rightfully so. So those traffic stops and street stops that lead to arrests and info passed on the detectives isnt happening anymore.
Well look at these dim witted detectives
Like a box of rocks they are.
This is the result of promotions in chicago.
Bring back Phil
No cooperating dindu nuffin victims and hostile rolling stone bigmouth witnesses.
I'd rather make 60 hrs o.t. too 'Looking rather than Finding' because of the fact there's a stooge for States Atty that's on a social justice crusade and charging is not even a fair 50/50 coin toss denial...luck is a CI - then it's the flat out DENIED and a RWOC.
The last Real Crime that was clear closed was the NW professor ménage à trois murder, the rest are just feral ghetto get'n even events.
Even with a 100% clearance rate, it would have no crime reduction effect.
The Dart Ankle Monitor and the wicked KabriniKimJung Colour Coded Policy allows every shooter a chance to become a murderer.
Stay Fetal - Keep up the GOCR's.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You forgot one more possibility, incompetent detectives.
8/28/2017 03:45:00 AM
Yes, like everywhere else in this department,we have lazy incompetent detectives and supervisor who refuse to discipline these individuals. Stop putting supervisors in the detective division that have never been detectives!!!!! Put detectives back in the areas, open another area and for god sake promote more detectives. Reopen our own crime lab and go back to having the mobile crime lab process all homicides not et's. The turn around for prints to come back is 8-12 months and DNA is 2 1/2 years. It's redicious. The hoopes the states attorneys office make us go through to charge a case is dumb. Supervisors from the d unit and district who have never been detectives telling you how to run your investigation. The department not providing the detectives with the tools to do the job,, for instance, detectives have to locate a supervisor who has an accurint account to run a person or telephone number or request this information from CPIC. Well we all know that when you request someone to due something it will never be done as well as if you did it yourself. Let's talk about the body camera, the order states that each officer can view their own body camera footage and that detectives and supervisors can view all body camera footage, well the department has not given detectives a username and password to view this video. Only a handful of detectives have been given a username and password for facial recognition software. There is only one computer in the area to review pod cameras. You can't download and review private security camera footage to a department computer.Enough is enough, stop running this department on the cheap!!!!!! And don't get me started on the 48 hour rule!! The states attorneys office say that's CPD rule not theirs..... ERI I can deal with but the 48 hour rule is hard to work with, the states attorneys want to talk to everyone ie, witnesses, victims and in some cases offenders, if there is any video cameras in the area of the crime they will not charge unless they have seen the video, try coordinate all of that in under 48hrs with no sleep. I know I have only scratch the surface of what's wrong with the d unit, I know I can come up with more, but why waste my breath.
I don't think it's incompetent Detectives, I think it's just self preservation...Detectives get sued like crazy!
It couldn't be the fact that this last round of promotions, which was the first in over a decade, was the most poorly ran and implemented promotional process ever? Or that kids with 3-4 years on we're among a very large number of the promoted? How can you go from the watch to detective and be expected to ACTUALLY CLEAR A CASE?!?! PO's with a brain and real time on saw the writing on the wall, intelligently predicted the future and decided to not even take the 12 HOUR TEST in the first place. Lack of experience, over worked kids with 3-4 years on will give you the miserable and down right unsafe results you see today.
8/28/2017 01:25:00 AM
Nice excuse asshat. Over 4K signed up for that test.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Are the criminals getting better or the dicks
getting worse?
Seems like ShotSpotter and Predict-O-Crime
software have no effect on increasing the
clearance rate.
Piling on by the FBI: how long do they keep a
murder on the books? What is the time frame
before a case is classified as cold?
If the FEDS think the clearance is too low, why
don't they step in and offer help or training?
Could inexperienced Millillenals be the reason?
Maybe we have gone full circle from Dragnet. Back
then, Brylcream was considered a positive. We have the
gels now and I wonder if the gel is just a reflection of apathy
and laziness? Do the gels think things get solved by smartphones
and iPads?
8/28/2017 02:43:00 AM
I am going to guess that the average FBI Agent has not investigated a murder. Is there something in particular they could help our very experienced detectives with?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT
I saw in the latest FOP magazine that at least 4 people retired with 20 years of service. People are doing 20 and out and they're saying fuck this place. Get out as soon as you can. I'm done in 2 years.
8/28/2017 01:06:00 AM
There's an increasing number of of people retiring or considering retiring at 20 years. The chatter about leaving at 20 in amazing. I'm one of them. I've sent out resumes and exploring other departments with 7 months to go. Residency is the killer. Far better places to raise a family. And now CPS is adding the "Commander John Burge" story to the curriculum. What does that do for learning? What will be cut out? Activist crap based on criminals and lawyers looking for a payday. I'm forced to live here and now my kids get taught that their Dad's job is bad. How much worse can this city get?
Um, yeah... how bout this... crack down on the d-unit... no more half days, no more coming in for the day when the OT clock starts, no more spending the tours at home, milking court, shitcanning bonafide cases, and actually trying to solve shit! One in ten of us here actually work and actually try to clear our cases. The rest are freeloading without ANY repercussions...
Bet low clearance rate her, the terrorists all dressed in black and masked and not cha4rged coming here,anarchy will rein will protect my family and blue have ammo,rifle,extra clips,night vision,lasers sighted dirt naps coming! You wonder where all these punk cowardly jagoffs live, they will come here and shit up this city more!
Antifa anarchists attack peaceful right-wing Berkeley rally
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5554747804001/?#sp=show-clips
Look at cowardly elected leaders,and our cowardly scared frightened cpd exempt ranks!
This group is anti-police but then again they will fit in well here with our elected anti-police,and the anti-police 24/7 dishonest Chicago media.
Anonymous said...
Homicide Team aka the Elite
8/28/2017 03:29:00 AM
Jump right in there and show me how you do it tough guy
Who gives a shit. Kimmy will let them go anyway or the worderful felony review will CI the case.
In New York and LA 15% of the police are detectives. In Chicago that number is about 8%. On top of that we have more homicides than both those cities combined and a strongly entrenched culture of no snitching.
Every detective wants to be a "homicide" detective but no one wants to do the work.
Better get the homicide detective "Joe Kenda" on the case. LOL
8/28/2017 08:41:00 AM
It's easy when you have 20 homicides a year in Colorado compared to 20 in two days in Chicago.
You want the answers here they are:
1. Uncooperative witnesses/family members/ additional victims
2. ERI and the CPD witness policy
3. Poor leadership in the Areas, sergeants that were never dicks, sergeants that were lazy dicks, new dicks going right to homicide teams, lieutenants that were never sergeants in the area or dicks now making critical decisions.
4. Available technology not utilized at the Area level, super special units have databases, covert cars etc.
5. Staffing
6. The closing of Area 4 and 5 cause problems but cannot be reopened see #5.
7. Allocation of manpower in most Areas is shocking, too many on days, SVU and in the district without supervision.
8. Unmotivated detectives, burned out detectives prima donna detectives
9. Too much typing and paperwork
10. No effective way to impose discipline on detectives.
I read these post and wonder what motivates anyone with integrity to stay with the CPD?
There are some real shady things occurring that makes me wonder if this is not planned. I am not a tin foil hat type but it seems something is trying to make anyone with morals or integrity pack up an go where things like that are appreciated. But what will happen to the population responsible for what is happening. I think the elite believe once the ones with the despicable morals and integrity are gone they can build a new Jerusalem. Most of these people resent any type of direction and will turn on their handlers when they realize they have the power not the politicians. Then the unknown. When the Free Shit Army takes over, how will they be defeated?
I would also add less experience in the detective division. Not promoting any detectives for a very long time while veteran detectives with an abundance of knowledge retired taking with them all their experience and leaving no one to train the new guys. Also, street coppers are doing less and less, rightfully so. So those traffic stops and street stops that lead to arrests and info passed on the detectives isnt happening anymore.
8/28/2017 11:09:00 AM
How about some of the new detectives not wanting to gain the experience and knowledge That way you never learn and they wont give you the tough or important jobs But sgt I never did one of those The sgts response is never "Its about time you learn" its usually Ok Ill give it to so and so
Anonymous said...
The new kid detectives want to work days, weekend off, with no OT. Also, 4 year wonders on murder teams who never worked the street and write poor reports. Many have never filled out a 101. Good luck with clearance.
8/28/2017 10:56:00 AM
But they read the reading material and did good on the detectives test or always had the commanders coffee ready in the morning and were a deserving of the merit spot
CANT hold witnesses for more than a few hours if that
CANT question YOUTHS with out a lawyer who will arrive 6 hours later.
Have white shirt releasing suspects on scene because they did not know they were suspects.
Plenty of videos nobody retrieving.
Plenty of officer who just can't right a lick of paper.
Plenty of nonsense DICKS still waste time investigating like shoplifting,missing, MISD domestic, and MISD battery.
Tact teams in certain districts not on any real mission.
8/28/2017 07:53:00 AM
Explain how a "white shirt" should arrest an offender, they don't know is an offender on scene?
Everyone else is supposed to risk getting jammed put because you want to dick off and eat dinner in 018, get coffee, workout, etc.?
Everything is a problem except showing up to the scene in under two hours huh?
Anonymous said...
Nobody saw nuffin
8/28/2017 05:59:00 AM
In many cases that is a matter of survival. Dude gets shot or killed. He is not anything to you. Are you going to stick your neck out? Do you want your garage torched, bullets thru your windows or family threatened? Does anyone with any sense think that the police can protect them? Can you promise victims/witnesses protection in all honesty? Remember the "snitches get stitches" shirts? Part of the entrenched thug culture. And that is why community policing will not work in the busy districts. Fear. All the alley cleaning, marches, prayer sessions, sensitivity classes etc., will not change that.
My partner in Area central answers phone in a crazy wig with lint in it.
Then she works special employment and is scared of the project building!!!
She will one day make a great sergeant at Homan square
Word is 130 new dicks in the fall.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT
I saw in the latest FOP magazine that at least 4 people retired with 20 years of service. People are doing 20 and out and they're saying fuck this place. Get out as soon as you can. I'm done in 2 years.
8/28/2017 01:06:00 AM
There's an increasing number of of people retiring or considering retiring at 20 years. The chatter about leaving at 20 in amazing. I'm one of them. I've sent out resumes and exploring other departments with 7 months to go. Residency is the killer. Far better places to raise a family. And now CPS is adding the "Commander John Burge" story to the curriculum. What does that do for learning? What will be cut out? Activist crap based on criminals and lawyers looking for a payday. I'm forced to live here and now my kids get taught that their Dad's job is bad. How much worse can this city get?
8/28/2017 12:37:00 PM
I have 30+ but don't have the age. In less than 2 years, this hellhole will be in my rear view mirror.
The BULLSHIT Burge curricilum is the final straw!
Detectives need more training. We need the FBI training detectives instead of those who taught them "no crime solved until there is overtime" mentality. We are tax payers too.
8/28/2017 03:27:00 AM
Don't forget what happened in the 90's. The new Chief of Detectives came from Patrol and brought with him a bunch of house cats and filled administrated spots. Removed or forced out seasoned Supervisors and replaced them with personal that never worked in an investigative unit or had experience in a follow-up investigation. Veteran Homicide Detectives saw the writing on the wall, and instead of passing on their experience, they retired. So in essence, all that knowledge that was honed for fifty years just vanished. The culture was killed by the Chief and his cronies during that time period, and from what I can see never recovered. Sure times have changed and that knowledge and experience that was not passed on is still affecting the Detective Division today. What is strange, the Detectives are not being held accountable for the lack of Clear-Ups.
8/28/2017 10:07:00 AM
Totally correct, not dropping any names but this guy was I think the Dep. Chief of Patrol, had no experience in the D, and diffenitly killed the detective division and then retired.
Anonymous said...
Um, yeah... how bout this... crack down on the d-unit... no more half days, no more coming in for the day when the OT clock starts, no more spending the tours at home, milking court, shitcanning bonafide cases, and actually trying to solve shit! One in ten of us here actually work and actually try to clear our cases. The rest are freeloading without ANY repercussions...
8/28/2017 01:22:00 PM
Thats been going on for years old motto "we will solve no crime until overtime" New motto "We can't solve any crime even with excessive overtime!"
I was promoted to Detective in 1978. When I got promoted I was in the Task Force working the street for 10 years. I thought I knew everything about being the police. Well, was I in a rude awaking. There were Detectives in Homicide for 10,12, 15 years. I found out very quickly how much I knew. (not much about solving murders) Fortunate for me some of these old times took the time and showed me how to be a Detective. I admit, I lost track of what going on today in the D units. From what I can gather there are a multitude of reasons why. From what I been reading there is a problem with crime scene processing. I hate to say it but back in the day when there was a mobile crime lab, most of the people working in this capacity actual help us out when processing the scene. It also helped that we had our own Crime Lab processing the evidence. There were times when I actually went to the crime lab and asked what exactly I wanted. For the most part they were very helpful. As far as Felony Review was concerned there were some who were good, some OK, and there were a couple who were terrible. Most were helpful when asking for a charge. (I did say for the most were helpful) The question I have to ask is this: What is the conviction rate? Back in the day it was unusual for a not guilty verdict. I hate to say it but I don't blame anyone who just gets bye today. Do what you have to do and make as much money as you can been retired for a number of years and I have been sued several times. Here is the kicker: when you are retired and get sued, you don't get any compensation. None what so ever. You do get covered by the agreement between the FOP and the City but in many cases the City settles. I personally know of several cases were the city settle and if they would have gone to trail they would have won. Be safe Old Time Detective
(OT) So your cleared everything is ok you are told all the stress, now we have besides the feds we have the new copa which had a 45% budget "increse" watch the new people try and hang a copper, the old is reopening stay fetal,make your past on this job a blank! Your jacket should say "he/she is a dogass" no activity!
Look at this for example:Jury convicts Chicago cop of excessive force for firing 16 shots at car, wounding 2 teens
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shooting-trial-marco-proano-met-0829-20170828-story.html
Excerpt:A federal jury on Monday convicted Chicago police Officer Marco Proano of using excessive force in firing 16 shots at a stolen car filled with teenagers in December 2013, wounding two.
Proano is the first Chicago cop in memory to be convicted of criminal charges stemming from an on-duty shooting.
The 11-year veteran showed no emotion as he was found guilty of two counts of using excessive force in violating the victims' civil rights. He faces a maximum of five years in prison on each count. Jurors deliberated about four hours Monday.
U.S. District Judge Gary Feinerman scheduled sentencing for Nov. 20. But federal prosecutors indicated they will seek next week to detain Proano as a danger to the community.
So they want to take him into custody as they let the gang banging thugs roam around shooting more and more!
If your still an insane "working" copper a "atta boy" for the boss Im begging you hit the medical as soon as you read this, go to the hospital and get psychiatric help quickly! If you don't do it for yourself do it for your family please!! Stop policing the "unpolicable" in the ghettos no matter what back blue God please bless the police!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT
I saw in the latest FOP magazine that at least 4 people retired with 20 years of service. People are doing 20 and out and they're saying fuck this place. Get out as soon as you can. I'm done in 2 years.
8/28/2017 01:06:00 AM
There's an increasing number of of people retiring or considering retiring at 20 years. The chatter about leaving at 20 in amazing. I'm one of them. I've sent out resumes and exploring other departments with 7 months to go. Residency is the killer. Far better places to raise a family. And now CPS is adding the "Commander John Burge" story to the curriculum. What does that do for learning? What will be cut out? Activist crap based on criminals and lawyers looking for a payday. I'm forced to live here and now my kids get taught that their Dad's job is bad. How much worse can this city get?
8/28/2017 12:37:00 PM
I don't care what happens. I'm out after 20. I'll either find another job or fall on my face but I won't be a part of this department for any more than 20 years and the biggest reason why I'm even staying that long is because I've seen some of the biggest pieces of human waste getting a pension check so if they're gonna pay these scumbag losers on this dept then I want them to pay me too.
It does not seem as if anyone wants the murders solved. If no one cares, why bother? Just pretend you are working the cases and keep those alleys swept clean.
I'm curious where Exc Cleared cases are counted. I haven't seen them mentioned once. Ivan count a dozen Dets at the area who have an exc clear for the year, cases from the previous years. Where are those counted?
One word=Whigham
Keep having a Dets test every 10 years. And keep sending the new manpower to summer mobile. That's the ticket ...
Fuck Chicago public schools and the "teachers" in these facilities.
Not sure where u get info but not many of the new dicks want to work homicides. Hell for that matter the old timers either
I don't care what happens. I'm out after 20. I'll either find another job or fall on my face but I won't be a part of this department for any more than 20 years and the biggest reason why I'm even staying that long is because I've seen some of the biggest pieces of human waste getting a pension check so if they're gonna pay these scumbag losers on this dept then I want them to pay me too.
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Please do your children a favor in life.. Please don't pass on your work ethic or pride to them. If you do pass either of these two character traits down that you have... or the lack thereof, then they are doomed for life. Your kids must be so proud of their father/mother. Be an example and a role model you mush. Don't teach your kids to be whiney complainers who have zero pride or work ethic. I love the scumbag losers on this department comment, I agree with you there.. There are tons of scumbag losers here, and you have proven beyond a doubt that you are right in the middle with all of them.
Perhaps its because they send new detectives to Area south and don't teach them a single thing. The mopes in area south pretty much just sit there and tell newer detectives not to bother them with a single thing. Ive got between 15-20 years on, so I have time on the street but ive still never been a detective until recently. Area south command staff is terrible. Yes, they may be nice people, but they are crap when it comes to delegating anything or making sure the unit runs right. How the hell do you give a person a murder and tell them to handle it when they have never had one before... then you have nobody out there teaching this person how to do it correctly??? Its insanity! You are pretty much telling new detectives to sink or swim and in this day and age that is a death sentence. You are setting everyone up for failure and for real trouble down the road. I wish I would have went to area north where it would have been a much better drive to my house or even central where I hear new detectives were thoroughly trained in all three sections for three periods then were given the choice where they wanted to go. Instead I was blinded by the 10 hour day. Terrible mistake. I'm stuck in hell with lazy people who refuse to help anyone. Not everyone, but most of them. Please make a class and let me get up north where I hope things and people are normal. Sgts all have chips on their shoulders here, are bothered when you ask advice and the veteran detectives are too busy going home all day with a car, figuring out how to scam overtime, figuring out where to eat on three different times throughout the day or watching youtube videos. NOBODY WANTS TO HELP ANYONE!!! That is why the clearance rate blows. everyone thinks they are awesome and nobody wants to help anyone.
Maher as chief of detectives says it all.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It couldn't be the fact that this last round of promotions, which was the first in over a decade, was the most poorly ran and implemented promotional process ever? Or that kids with 3-4 years on we're among a very large number of the promoted? How can you go from the watch to detective and be expected to ACTUALLY CLEAR A CASE?!?! PO's with a brain and real time on saw the writing on the wall, intelligently predicted the future and decided to not even take the 12 HOUR TEST in the first place. Lack of experience, over worked kids with 3-4 years on will give you the miserable and down right unsafe results you see today.
8/28/2017 01:25:00 AM
Nice excuse asshat. Over 4K signed up for that test.
Ok internet child, get some time on and realize what a joke you are to the rest of the guys in the area you work in. Everyday that you come in, you do nothing but play with your iphone, because you have absolutely no idea how to start an investigation without googling something. That's why the clearance rate is so pathetic. BTW, I don't need an excuse, I was promoted a very long time ago. I am just giving you a taste of the truth and trying to wake you the hell up. But you obviously are a huge part of the snowflake population and can't be told anything. Don't act like like this department and it's promotional tests are legit cuz you were promoted by merit. Thats just sad dude. It def shows you have absolutely zero time on. As a matter of fact, just let the adults talk from now on. Oh well, don't worry kid, hopefully things get better for you some day.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You forgot one more possibility, incompetent detectives.
8/28/2017 03:45:00 AM
Yes, like everywhere else in this department,we have lazy incompetent detectives and supervisor who refuse to discipline these individuals. Stop putting supervisors in the detective division that have never been detectives!!!!! Put detectives back in the areas, open another area and for god sake promote more detectives. Reopen our own crime lab and go back to having the mobile crime lab process all homicides not et's. The turn around for prints to come back is 8-12 months and DNA is 2 1/2 years. It's redicious. The hoopes the states attorneys office make us go through to charge a case is dumb. Supervisors from the d unit and district who have never been detectives telling you how to run your investigation. The department not providing the detectives with the tools to do the job,, for instance, detectives have to locate a supervisor who has an accurint account to run a person or telephone number or request this information from CPIC. Well we all know that when you request someone to due something it will never be done as well as if you did it yourself. Let's talk about the body camera, the order states that each officer can view their own body camera footage and that detectives and supervisors can view all body camera footage, well the department has not given detectives a username and password to view this video. Only a handful of detectives have been given a username and password for facial recognition software. There is only one computer in the area to review pod cameras. You can't download and review private security camera footage to a department computer.Enough is enough, stop running this department on the cheap!!!!!! And don't get me started on the 48 hour rule!! The states attorneys office say that's CPD rule not theirs..... ERI I can deal with but the 48 hour rule is hard to work with, the states attorneys want to talk to everyone ie, witnesses, victims and in some cases offenders, if there is any video cameras in the area of the crime they will not charge unless they have seen the video, try coordinate all of that in under 48hrs with no sleep. I know I have only scratch the surface of what's wrong with the d unit, I know I can come up with more, but why waste my breath.
8/28/2017 11:58:00 AM
$$.
I have good news. I've been doing this for a while. I recommend that you have all of this done before calling the state and before even picking up the offender. You're welcome....
This state is beyond belief fucked up. Rauner just signed a bill that makes Illinois a sanctuary state !!! WTF is this ??? He needs to go to California with the other idiot governor.
Do what you can, do not engage unless your life depends upon it, if they drive away, wave !
Stay safe for your families. This shit out here is not worth it. I am out shortly and if they would let me leave tomorrow, I would never come back to this state !!
All these idiot politicians, judges aldercreatures will be re elected again due to all these talkers and idiots that go punch the democratic ticket.
All I have to say is send the direct deposit and Wish You Were Here from a tropical island.
Stay safe Brothers and Sisters.
"What's your clearance, Clarence?"
I know I know but I just couldn't help myself ...
Roger----Rodger
"I am a retired detective sergeant and I always said that when I retire I am going to be a burglar and hit man in Chicago and I will never get caught."
There is no title code for Detective Sergeant. You were a Sgt. assigned to the Detective Division. Like most of your ilk you were probably never a Detective, like Terry Hilliard was Chief of Detectives and never spent a day in the D Unit.
Save your tall tales and lies for the bar hags enamored with your line of Bullshit.
"the biggest reason why I'm even staying that long is because I've seen some of the biggest pieces of human waste getting a pension check so if they're gonna pay these scumbag losers on this dept then I want them to pay me too."
Yep those Gold Star Retirees sure are a special bunch collecting their 6 figure pensions on top of that deep 6figure comp time buyout they received. Ask Graham what he plans on doing to staunch the pension hemorraging they're creating , so there's something left when you reach your 20.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
8/28/2017 03:27:00 AM
Don't forget what happened in the 90's. The new Chief of Detectives came from Patrol and brought with him a bunch of house cats and filled administrated spots. Removed or forced out seasoned Supervisors and replaced them with personal that never worked in an investigative unit or had experience in a follow-up investigation. Veteran Homicide Detectives saw the writing on the wall, and instead of passing on their experience, they retired. So in essence, all that knowledge that was honed for fifty years just vanished. The culture was killed by the Chief and his cronies during that time period, and from what I can see never recovered. Sure times have changed and that knowledge and experience that was not passed on is still affecting the Detective Division today. What is strange, the Detectives are not being held accountable for the lack of Clear-Ups.
8/28/2017 10:07:00 AM
Totally correct, not dropping any names but this guy was I think the Dep. Chief of Patrol, had no experience in the D, and diffenitly killed the detective division and then retired.
8/28/2017 06:57:00 PM
Ivanjack? What an ass hole.
Anonymous said...
Um, yeah... how bout this... crack down on the d-unit... no more half days, no more coming in for the day when the OT clock starts, no more spending the tours at home, milking court, shitcanning bonafide cases, and actually trying to solve shit! One in ten of us here actually work and actually try to clear our cases. The rest are freeloading without ANY repercussions...
I agree 100%! When I retired a couples of months ago; there were 40 to 50 full-duty Detectives on days and the third watch working timekeeping, felony files, CMO, desk jobs and as screeners. I looked around and noticed that some detectives has never closed a field case in their career, well at least since I was assigned to the unit in the 80's. I chuckle when I overhear the new guys ask these sitting ducks questions.
It couldn't be the fact that this last round of promotions, which was the first in over a decade, was the most poorly ran and implemented promotional process ever? Or that kids with 3-4 years on we're among a very large number of the promoted? How can you go from the watch to detective and be expected to ACTUALLY CLEAR A CASE?!?! PO's with a brain and real time on saw the writing on the wall, intelligently predicted the future and decided to not even take the 12 HOUR TEST in the first place. Lack of experience, over worked kids with 3-4 years on will give you the miserable and down right unsafe results you see today.
Hey Salty, this last round of promotions are not handling homicides stupid. The poor clearance rate has been going on for years. That's why you will never be promoted.
You can't blame the detectives no more than you blame patrol, it's your beat. You know the players on your beat or do you? Find the perpetrators and bring them into the Area like in the old days. The ridiculous case reports we receive from patrol are cut up and used as scratch paper.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It couldn't be the fact that this last round of promotions, which was the first in over a decade, was the most poorly ran and implemented promotional process ever? Or that kids with 3-4 years on we're among a very large number of the promoted? How can you go from the watch to detective and be expected to ACTUALLY CLEAR A CASE?!?! PO's with a brain and real time on saw the writing on the wall, intelligently predicted the future and decided to not even take the 12 HOUR TEST in the first place. Lack of experience, over worked kids with 3-4 years on will give you the miserable and down right unsafe results you see today.
You had a chance to make it by score. I take it, you blew the test.
Um, yeah... how bout this... crack down on the d-unit... no more half days, no more coming in for the day when the OT clock starts, no more spending the tours at home, milking court, shitcanning bonafide cases, and actually trying to solve shit! One in ten of us here actually work and actually try to clear our cases. The rest are freeloading without ANY repercussions...
There are detectives who hardly ever show up for work and the D-unit supervisor's remedy is to overwork the ones that show up daily and on time. Instead they should call those assholes in and give them their assignments. Then the @sshole finally comes to work and put in one investigative alert and walk around with his/her chest poked out. D-unit supervisors have to bribe and stroke these so-called experts into handling handout assignments. That's of course after they've finally arrived.
Don't forget Merit. Time and time again, I have watched connected individuals with little time on the job, and who couldn't be bothered to do any type of police work be promoted to detective by merit. What should we expect? No different then our entire merit command staff, no working experience equates to failure and this department is a complete failure. Make all the excuses you want but other major departments face the exact same challenges but they have clearance rates twice that of Chicago.
Perhaps its because they send new detectives to Area south and don't teach them a single thing. The mopes in area south pretty much just sit there and tell newer detectives not to bother them with a single thing. Ive got between 15-20 years on, so I have time on the street but ive still never been a detective until recently. Area south command staff is terrible. Yes, they may be nice people, but they are crap when it comes to delegating anything or making sure the unit runs right. How the hell do you give a person a murder and tell them to handle it when they have never had one before... then you have nobody out there teaching this person how to do it correctly??? Its insanity! You are pretty much telling new detectives to sink or swim and in this day and age that is a death sentence. You are setting everyone up for failure and for real trouble down the road. I wish I would have went to area north where it would have been a much better drive to my house or even central where I hear new detectives were thoroughly trained in all three sections for three periods then were given the choice where they wanted to go. Instead I was blinded by the 10 hour day. Terrible mistake. I'm stuck in hell with lazy people who refuse to help anyone. Not everyone, but most of them. Please make a class and let me get up north where I hope things and people are normal. Sgts all have chips on their shoulders here, are bothered when you ask advice and the veteran detectives are too busy going home all day with a car, figuring out how to scam overtime, figuring out where to eat on three different times throughout the day or watching youtube videos. NOBODY WANTS TO HELP ANYONE!!! That is why the clearance rate blows. everyone thinks they are awesome and nobody wants to help anyone.
8/28/2017 10:43:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
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Well you are either the loudmouth female know it all that came from 009 who fell down and got hurt your first day in the area or you are the kid with the huge head who dresses like you are part of a GQ magazine cover with your skinny pants and lame shirts. Wow, you two just dug your own grave.
I always wondered, not being a dick, but what constitutes a "clearance"? Is it just an arrest? Which we all know is far , far from a conviction. And even a "conviction" is far , far from being convicted for what you actually did.
When I was in 012 we had a Dick SGT who was the real thing supervising real dicks who were the real thing. Its amazing when you put someone competent in charge of competent people. I forget their names but they were good fucking cops. I was on the desk by then but when something walked in that sounded solvable I'd walk it back to them and most times they'd find the guy the same day.
A sharp dick is the best asset this Dept. has.
Ok internet child, get some time on and realize what a joke you are to the rest of the guys in the area you work in. Everyday that you come in, you do nothing but play with your iphone, because you have absolutely no idea how to start an investigation without googling something. That's why the clearance rate is so pathetic. BTW, I don't need an excuse, I was promoted a very long time ago. I am just giving you a taste of the truth and trying to wake you the hell up. But you obviously are a huge part of the snowflake population and can't be told anything. Don't act like like this department and it's promotional tests are legit cuz you were promoted by merit. Thats just sad dude. It def shows you have absolutely zero time on. As a matter of fact, just let the adults talk from now on. Oh well, don't worry kid, hopefully things get better for you some day.
8/28/2017 10:44:00 PM
You say you were promoted, to what? I hope not a supervisor, if so you sound like a horrible one. You are what is wrong with this Dept. and City. A direct reflection of a good Supervisor or leader is how they guide and move their subordinates up through their careers. Also you obviously have no idea what you're ranting about. Coppers from all over the spectrum took the last test. Many good ones with plenty of time on scored well and made it in the first 2 classes. Some really good coppers were also given merit spots. No 3-4 year people are making merit moroon. If you want to blame someone for low clearance rates and young coppers not knowing anything look in the mirror, cause that's the problem and reason why. You think someone is gonna get on this job and learn everything through osmosis? Yes one has to apply themselves and show a willingness to learn but senior coppers need to be willing to share their knowledge. There is a huge disconnect in this Dept. And by the way, you're still an asshat.
Anonymous said...
Um, yeah... how bout this... crack down on the d-unit... no more half days, no more coming in for the day when the OT clock starts, no more spending the tours at home, milking court, shitcanning bonafide cases, and actually trying to solve shit! One in ten of us here actually work and actually try to clear our cases. The rest are freeloading without ANY repercussions...
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Be sure to walk carefully. Remember, the detectives work based on the initial reporting of the beat car. Have you read the stellar case reports coming out of patrol lately? Love it when there is a burglary and the same people will never call for an ET. You talk to the victim who says they never set foot in the house until the police arrive but the beat officer says the scene was contaminated by the home owner... and yes, I believe the homeowner. It's near impossible to investigate a shooting because sat teams, gang teams and tac teams are running around like a chicken with its head cut off after a shooting grabbing a dozen people who have nothing to do with anything but want them all interviewed because "they know the area and the players" so they just start grabbing people. Then they bring witnesses in to the area against their will who when we get to the area refuse to do anything because they were just strong armed by a kid with 3 years on a tac team. Or they grab someone who we suspect of a shooting but there is no alert yet and we are still getting our stuff together and a tac team has him at the area getting a CB number, now the case gets CId and he gets RWOC. And don't get me started in the tac and gang and DIO reports that they email to everyone based on what they think happened or heard from a hype... guess what, now it's discoverable and it's a killer in court. Defense attorneys love those reports and emails because it points to the possibility that it was someone else and not their client. The list goes on and on. Robbery case reports that list all unknown offenders with no description then you call the victim and they give a great description along with a nickname or Facebook name and it never makes the report, just a three sentence garbage narrative. Yes there are lazy detectives but it's not just on them, it's on patrol and units also. Learn to write good paper and for god sakes have patience when an investigation is taking place. Stop being so thirsty to be the guy who has all the info and makes the arrest. It's always been a problem and still is a problem.
8/28/2017 10:19:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not sure where u get info but not many of the new dicks want to work homicides. Hell for that matter the old timers either
Understandable. The key word is WORK, you actually have to work them Easier to call, unfounded, cut and paste or suspend a case right from your desk
Perhaps its because they send new detectives to Area south and don't teach them a single thing. The mopes in area south pretty much just sit there and tell newer detectives not to bother them with a single thing. Ive got between 15-20 years on, so I have time on the street but ive still never been a detective until recently. Area south command staff is terrible. Yes, they may be nice people, but they are crap when it comes to delegating anything or making sure the unit runs right. How the hell do you give a person a murder and tell them to handle it when they have never had one before... then you have nobody out there teaching this person how to do it correctly??? Its insanity! You are pretty much telling new detectives to sink or swim and in this day and age that is a death sentence. You are setting everyone up for failure and for real trouble down the road. I wish I would have went to area north where it would have been a much better drive to my house or even central where I hear new detectives were thoroughly trained in all three sections for three periods then were given the choice where they wanted to go. Instead I was blinded by the 10 hour day. Terrible mistake. I'm stuck in hell with lazy people who refuse to help anyone. Not everyone, but most of them. Please make a class and let me get up north where I hope things and people are normal. Sgts all have chips on their shoulders here, are bothered when you ask advice and the veteran detectives are too busy going home all day with a car, figuring out how to scam overtime, figuring out where to eat on three different times throughout the day or watching youtube videos. NOBODY WANTS TO HELP ANYONE!!! That is why the clearance rate blows. everyone thinks they are awesome and nobody wants to help anyone.
8/28/2017 10:43:00 PM
Did you ever think they don't help anyone because they don't have the knowledge to help you. How do you ask a detective about a homicide case or a sex case when they have never handled one. Or what happens when I go to testify before the grand jury and the response is I don't know, I never testified before the grand jury
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I would also add less experience in the detective division. Not promoting any detectives for a very long time while veteran detectives with an abundance of knowledge retired taking with them all their experience and leaving no one to train the new guys. Also, street coppers are doing less and less, rightfully so. So those traffic stops and street stops that lead to arrests and info passed on the detectives isnt happening anymore.
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whole lot of long time dets just retired - the '86 class or thereabout - then the city promotes what 200 dets all in one swoop - too bad the old timers all left just prior to this - now I look around the area and it's all new guys/girls -all are welcome believe me but too many at one time IMO
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
8/28/2017 03:27:00 AM
Don't forget what happened in the 90's. The new Chief of Detectives came from Patrol and brought with him a bunch of house cats and filled administrated spots. Removed or forced out seasoned Supervisors and replaced them with personal that never worked in an investigative unit or had experience in a follow-up investigation. Veteran Homicide Detectives saw the writing on the wall, and instead of passing on their experience, they retired. So in essence, all that knowledge that was honed for fifty years just vanished. The culture was killed by the Chief and his cronies during that time period, and from what I can see never recovered. Sure times have changed and that knowledge and experience that was not passed on is still affecting the Detective Division today. What is strange, the Detectives are not being held accountable for the lack of Clear-Ups.
8/28/2017 10:07:00 AM
Totally correct, not dropping any names but this guy was I think the Dep. Chief of Patrol, had no experience in the D, and definitely killed the detective division and then retired.
8/28/2017 06:57:00 PM
Ivanjack? What an ass hole.
8/29/2017 01:34:00 AM
The description above is in fact IvanJack, he's the one that drove the detective division into the incompetence you're seeing even today. Someone should just look up the clear-up rates prior IvanJack becoming chief of detectives. I'm sure you would see a sudden drop from his time as chief and continual slide downward to the present. He drove out the experience and the brains, instituting his lack of knowledge and killed an established methodology of follow-up investigative techniques. I'm glad someone is bringing this up, however, this political hack has his suck-holes who unfortunately will defend his destructive actions and policies. I seldom see canvassing of an area of the incident, using the resources of the department, the county, state, and fed's. What I see are the computer smart phone police relying on Google, Zaba, or social media. I hear them telling their superisvors the suspect is lawyered up and that's usually the end, Suspended Case. I don't see anyone taking that extra step, only the last line on the report, request this case be suspended pending any new leads, or some other bullshit. Hey, I hate to fuck up a good thing, but you dicks should be held accountable. 15-18% clear-up rates WTF............
Anonymous said...
I don't care what happens. I'm out after 20. I'll either find another job or fall on my face but I won't be a part of this department for any more than 20 years and the biggest reason why I'm even staying that long is because I've seen some of the biggest pieces of human waste getting a pension check so if they're gonna pay these scumbag losers on this dept then I want them to pay me too.
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Please do your children a favor in life.. Please don't pass on your work ethic or pride to them. If you do pass either of these two character traits down that you have... or the lack thereof, then they are doomed for life. Your kids must be so proud of their father/mother. Be an example and a role model you mush. Don't teach your kids to be whiney complainers who have zero pride or work ethic. I love the scumbag losers on this department comment, I agree with you there.. There are tons of scumbag losers here, and you have proven beyond a doubt that you are right in the middle with all of them.
8/28/2017 10:31:00 PM
I don't have any children, that's part of the reason I'm leaving. Knucklehead. The example I'm setting is that you don't have to stay stuck in a job you don't want around pompous know it alls who take out their unresolved issues on other people. You have proven that you're part of the 70% of meatheads on this job who take pride in being a cop because you're insecure and need an identity to make you feel strong and powerful when you don't realize that you're a pawn for the city. You're just bitter that I'm not one of the idiots like you who find other idiots and form clicks who spread rumors and bring shame on anyone who doesn't act like you. This job is all you got because nobody else will talk to you besides like minded assholes. When you retire you'll be sad you won't be able to go to work again. When I retire I'll be glad I won't have to ever talk to losers like you ever again.
Perhaps its because they send new detectives to Area south and don't teach them a single thing. The mopes in area south pretty much just sit there and tell newer detectives not to bother them with a single thing. Ive got between 15-20 years on, so I have time on the street but ive still never been a detective until recently. Area south command staff is terrible. Yes, they may be nice people, but they are crap when it comes to delegating anything or making sure the unit runs right. How the hell do you give a person a murder and tell them to handle it when they have never had one before... then you have nobody out there teaching this person how to do it correctly??? Its insanity! You are pretty much telling new detectives to sink or swim and in this day and age that is a death sentence. You are setting everyone up for failure and for real trouble down the road. I wish I would have went to area north where it would have been a much better drive to my house or even central where I hear new detectives were thoroughly trained in all three sections for three periods then were given the choice where they wanted to go. Instead I was blinded by the 10 hour day. Terrible mistake. I'm stuck in hell with lazy people who refuse to help anyone. Not everyone, but most of them. Please make a class and let me get up north where I hope things and people are normal. Sgts all have chips on their shoulders here, are bothered when you ask advice and the veteran detectives are too busy going home all day with a car, figuring out how to scam overtime, figuring out where to eat on three different times throughout the day or watching youtube videos. NOBODY WANTS TO HELP ANYONE!!! That is why the clearance rate blows. everyone thinks they are awesome and nobody wants to help anyone.
First off, south received only 15 new detectives out of last class. The rest went to north and central. Do the math or you want someone to do it for you too? Secondly, I've witnessed more experienced Dets help out the new guys quite often. Maybe it's just you? Spoon fed everything your whole life and get frustrated because investigations don't go smoothly or cleared in 60 minutes like on tv. The bosses are not perfect that's for sure but I've hardly ever seen them turn Dets down for time due or to switch their days off for family duties.
And guess what'? You can always go back to patrol. You were not forced to take this assignment. Leave then - more OT for us!
You had a chance to make it by score. I take it, you blew the test.
sorry buddy but i studied for the sgt's test. made it two classes ago so no I didnt study for this test.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You want the answers here they are:
1. Uncooperative witnesses/family members/ additional victims
2. ERI and the CPD witness policy
3. Poor leadership in the Areas, sergeants that were never dicks, sergeants that were lazy dicks, new dicks going right to homicide teams, lieutenants that were never sergeants in the area or dicks now making critical decisions.
4. Available technology not utilized at the Area level, super special units have databases, covert cars etc.
5. Staffing
6. The closing of Area 4 and 5 cause problems but cannot be reopened see #5.
7. Allocation of manpower in most Areas is shocking, too many on days, SVU and in the district without supervision.
8. Unmotivated detectives, burned out detectives prima donna detectives
9. Too much typing and paperwork
10. No effective way to impose discipline on detectives.
8/28/2017 04:06:00 PM
Using #7 as an example, I waited for a dick in 8th to come back after his days off. I was calling with info on a homicide. It took nine days to get a call back. Well, the person with the name of the offender was killed while I was waiting for this dick to call me back. The dicks in the station are unsupervised, they should stand roll call and be checked off for starters.
sorry buddy but i studied for the sgt's test. made it two classes ago so no I didnt study for this test.
Hey ass wipe alot of us new detectives didn't have the time on the job to take the sgt. Test so we had to "settle" for the dicks exam which is a blessing in disguise because one we make more money than a sgt. And two when the next sgt. Test comes up and we make it or resume will Trump yours any day im glad i made dick and i will make sgt. And I will have more experience and knowledge than you will ever have mr.patrol sgt.
You had a chance to make it by score. I take it, you blew the test.
sorry buddy but i studied for the sgt's test. made it two classes ago so no I didnt study for this test.
8/29/2017 03:19:00 P
Sorry, sorry is right. Sorry for anyone that has to deal with you, Sgt.
Lisa Madigan agrees with Rahm that oversight of CPD is needed
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/277258426-story
e sure to walk carefully. Remember, the detectives work based on the initial reporting of the beat car. Have you read the stellar case reports coming out of patrol lately? Love it when there is a burglary and the same people will never call for an ET. You talk to the victim who says they never set foot in the house until the police arrive but the beat officer says the scene was contaminated by ......
You nail it! My favorite one is when the Beat car completes a Domestic case report and uses the same address and telephone number for the victim and the offender, instead of alternate contact information for the victim. When detectives call to follow-up with the victim the offender answers the phone. Lol! My other favorite is when Beat cars interview victims and witnesses at the scene, but everything on the case report including the height, weight, DOB, DLN, Sex, race, telephone number is UNKNOWN ...LMAO!i
AN EXAMPLE OF A PATROL CASE REPORT:
In summary, R/O's responded to the call of a Burglary In-progress. Offender gone on arrival. R/O's conducted a canvas with negative results. ETs were not called because the scene was contaminated by the victim. VIN was given to victims.
Signed: Go-Getter/ Preliminary Investigator
Approved By: Sgt. Babysitter
Right about the time the experience started retiring. There's no accountability in the D unit. No clearance to problem. No incentive to do a damn thing. Lack of experience
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You want the answers here they are:
1. Uncooperative witnesses/family members/ additional victims
2. ERI and the CPD witness policy
3. Poor leadership in the Areas, sergeants that were never dicks, sergeants that were lazy dicks, new dicks going right to homicide teams, lieutenants that were never sergeants in the area or dicks now making critical decisions.
4. Available technology not utilized at the Area level, super special units have databases, covert cars etc.
5. Staffing
6. The closing of Area 4 and 5 cause problems but cannot be reopened see #5.
7. Allocation of manpower in most Areas is shocking, too many on days, SVU and in the district without supervision.
8. Unmotivated detectives, burned out detectives prima donna detectives
9. Too much typing and paperwork
10. No effective way to impose discipline on detectives.
8/28/2017 04:06:00 PM
Using #7 as an example, I waited for a dick in 8th to come back after his days off. I was calling with info on a homicide. It took nine days to get a call back. Well, the person with the name of the offender was killed while I was waiting for this dick to call me back. The dicks in the station are unsupervised, they should stand roll call and be checked off for starters.
8/29/2017 04:19:00 PM
Your 1st mistake is trying to give a property crimes detective information about a homicide. HGS works out of the areas not the districts!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Right about the time the experience started retiring. There's no accountability in the D unit. No clearance to problem. No incentive to do a damn thing. Lack of experience
8/30/2017 03:44:00 AM
It's no different working as a P/O in a district and for sergeants also. There's always gonna be people picking up the slack for incompetent inefficient idiots that flourish on this dept.
I like how some are blaming the new detectives for the low Homicide clearance rate when they are not assigned to Homicide Teams. They've only been assigned to the D-Unit for about 3 months. I guess the clearance rate was just fine prior to 3 months ago. Or maybe not because I remember having this same conversation 15 years ago. Oh and of course the Homicide clearance rate was great in the 70's and 80's. As a matter of fact, the clearance rate was so high that the CPS has recently created a new curriculum. The curriculum is name after a former clearance rate commander.. LMAO
sorry buddy but i studied for the sgt's test. made it two classes ago so no I didnt study for this test.
Hey ass wipe alot of us new detectives didn't have the time on the job to take the sgt. Test so we had to "settle" for the dicks exam which is a blessing in disguise because one we make more money than a sgt. And two when the next sgt. Test comes up and we make it or resume will Trump yours any day im glad i made dick and i will make sgt. And I will have more experience and knowledge than you will ever have mr.patrol sgt.
8/29/2017 06:32:00 PM
I'll be LT by then little guy. Im glad you are getting your experience and knowledge in the Detective Division. Maybe if you would have gotten some in the district you could be a useful detective, instead you will pad your resume with 7 years of investigative experience and NO CASES closed by arrest. Congrats bruh.
nonymous said...
I like how some are blaming the new detectives for the low Homicide clearance rate when they are not assigned to Homicide Teams. They've only been assigned to the D-Unit for about 3 months. I guess the clearance rate was just fine prior to 3 months ago. Or maybe not because I remember having this same conversation 15 years ago. Oh and of course the Homicide clearance rate was great in the 70's and 80's. As a matter of fact, the clearance rate was so high that the CPS has recently created a new curriculum. The curriculum is name after a former clearance rate commander.. LMAO
8/30/2017 01:12:00 PM
Look at our clear-up rate presently, and then look at other large city clear-up rates. We are looking bad my friend, its not good.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You want the answers here they are:
1. Uncooperative witnesses/family members/ additional victims
2. ERI and the CPD witness policy
3. Poor leadership in the Areas, sergeants that were never dicks, sergeants that were lazy dicks, new dicks going right to homicide teams, lieutenants that were never sergeants in the area or dicks now making critical decisions.
4. Available technology not utilized at the Area level, super special units have databases, covert cars etc.
5. Staffing
6. The closing of Area 4 and 5 cause problems but cannot be reopened see #5.
7. Allocation of manpower in most Areas is shocking, too many on days, SVU and in the district without supervision.
8. Unmotivated detectives, burned out detectives prima donna detectives
9. Too much typing and paperwork
10. No effective way to impose discipline on detectives.
8/28/2017 04:06:00 PM
Using #7 as an example, I waited for a dick in 8th to come back after his days off. I was calling with info on a homicide. It took nine days to get a call back. Well, the person with the name of the offender was killed while I was waiting for this dick to call me back. The dicks in the station are unsupervised, they should stand roll call and be checked off for starters.
8/29/2017 04:19:00 PM
Your 1st mistake is trying to give a property crimes detective information about a homicide. HGS works out of the areas not the districts!!!!
8/30/2017 09:11:00 AM
I get his point, you can't find an assigned Detective on almost any case. They don't return you phone calls. Just a point, it was almost a week without hearing from the lead detective in a homicide case. I went to the area and waited for him to come to work. Guess what, he was two hours late, go figure. I'm not a trick, but someone should look into this, 13% clear up rate and I wish the dicks writing on this blog stop defending it. You guy's defending a 13% clear-up look foolish.
What do you expect when you promote political hacks who pay off to get their positions >?
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
8/28/2017 03:27:00 AM
Don't forget what happened in the 90's. The new Chief of Detectives came from Patrol and brought with him a bunch of house cats and filled administrated spots. Removed or forced out seasoned Supervisors and replaced them with personal that never worked in an investigative unit or had experience in a follow-up investigation. Veteran Homicide Detectives saw the writing on the wall, and instead of passing on their experience, they retired. So in essence, all that knowledge that was honed for fifty years just vanished. The culture was killed by the Chief and his cronies during that time period, and from what I can see never recovered. Sure times have changed and that knowledge and experience that was not passed on is still affecting the Detective Division today. What is strange, the Detectives are not being held accountable for the lack of Clear-Ups.
8/28/2017 10:07:00 AM
Phat Phil came in and put the kiss of death to the Det. Division, when he combined political hacks of Gang Investigations and dumb assed Youth Officers together as Detectives, to appease Ass-Clown sawed off Commie and All-Round Criminal/Thief Shortshanks Daley, so Daley could save money and bullshit the Public that he made many more Detectives. All Democrat Smoke and Mirrors, as usual. Maybe next, Rahmmie the Commie will combine the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, and the Jackie Robinson Little League Cheaters, into the CPD, to increase the size and brain capacity of the Force.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You want the answers here they are:
6. The closing of Area 4 and 5 cause problems but cannot be reopened see #5.
7. Allocation of manpower in most Areas is shocking, too many on days, SVU and in the district without supervision.
8. Unmotivated detectives, burned out detectives prima donna detectives
9. Too much typing and paperwork
10. No effective way to impose discipline on detectives.
8/28/2017 04:06:00 PM
Using #7 as an example, I waited for a dick in 8th to come back after his days off. I was calling with info on a homicide. It took nine days to get a call back. Well, the person with the name of the offender was killed while I was waiting for this dick to call me back. The dicks in the station are unsupervised, they should stand roll call and be checked off for starters.
8/29/2017 04:19:00 PM
Your 1st mistake is trying to give a property crimes detective information about a homicide. HGS works out of the areas not the district.
Thank you for enlightening that mope. Hey mope, so you're are assigned to a district and you're unaware that there are no Homicide detectives assigned to your district? Sounds like you made up that entire story just for the sake of ranting. The working P.O's know that the dicks that work out of the districts are Robbery/Burglary/Theft Detectives. They work hand-and-hand with the working P.O's. I'm sure, if you truly walked into the CAPS office like you say you did the RBT dicks would've given you the number to the Area. I bet you think you deserve to be a Detective, don't you?
I get his point, you can't find an assigned Detective on almost any case. They don't return you phone calls. Just a point, it was almost a week without hearing from the lead detective in a homicide case. I went to the area and waited for him to come to work. Guess what, he was two hours late, go figure. I'm not a trick, but someone should look into this, 13% clear up rate and I wish the dicks writing on this blog stop defending it. You guy's defending a 13% clear-up look foolish.
You are a trick. Embrace it..Lol! If your information was concrete you should've arrested/detained the perpetrator and walked him into the area. I mean, since it was urgent.
8/29/2017 06:32:00 PM
I'll be LT by then little guy. Im glad you are getting your experience and knowledge in the Detective Division. Maybe if you would have gotten some in the district you could be a useful detective, instead you will pad your resume with 7 years of investigative experience and NO CASES closed by arrest. Congrats bruh.
With all of the LT's exam scandal, don't count on it. I you're not even a Sgt. and if so you're still be a miserable @ss Sgt. when I make it. The Lt's that were going to be made are made.
Thank you for enlightening that mope. Hey mope, so you're are assigned to a district and you're unaware that there are no Homicide detectives assigned to your district? Sounds like you made up that entire story just for the sake of ranting. The working P.O's know that the dicks that work out of the districts are Robbery/Burglary/Theft Detectives. They work hand-and-hand with the working P.O's. I'm sure, if you truly walked into the CAPS office like you say you did the RBT dicks would've given you the number to the Area. I bet you think you deserve to be a Detective, don't you?
9/01/2017 02:20:00 AM
Let's have an annual Detective dump, 12-13% clear-up rate is telling. Put some new blood in the D it's really fucked up, that's the hole point. One commander down, and we hope a bunch of these do nothings are next. I've made my decision, from now on when a Dick blows me off I'm going to be the trick, because I don't give a fuck and there are plenty of us that feel the same why.
8/30/2017 09:11:00 AM
I get his point, you can't find an assigned Detective on almost any case. They don't return you phone calls. Just a point, it was almost a week without hearing from the lead detective in a homicide case. I went to the area and waited for him to come to work. Guess what, he was two hours late, go figure. I'm not a trick, but someone should look into this, 13% clear up rate and I wish the dicks writing on this blog stop defending it. You guy's defending a 13% clear-up look foolish.
8/31/2017 11:30:00 AM
It happens all the time
Seems like a bunch of jealous folk who mad they didn't make detective. I just recently made det. And man I catch alot of salt from these guys who didn't make it talking about shoulda coulda and every excuse in the book and talking about people who don't deserve it...face it you didn't study or your just dumb its alot of dumb people on cpd and I've learned that more than ever since making det. Honestly I never wanted to be a detective I wanted to be a sgt. But wasn't eligible for the test...i just knew I wasn't going to keep driving a beat car ...im sorry for all the dumb p.o.'s yeah I make way over a 100k now and have unlimited freedom to conduct my investigations and I get to wear nice suits...sorry yall and nope far from merit
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seems like a bunch of jealous folk who mad they didn't make detective. I just recently made det. And man I catch alot of salt from these guys who didn't make it talking about shoulda coulda and every excuse in the book and talking about people who don't deserve it...face it you didn't study or your just dumb its alot of dumb people on cpd and I've learned that more than ever since making det. Honestly I never wanted to be a detective I wanted to be a sgt. But wasn't eligible for the test...i just knew I wasn't going to keep driving a beat car ...im sorry for all the dumb p.o.'s yeah I make way over a 100k now and have unlimited freedom to conduct my investigations and I get to wear nice suits...sorry yall and nope far from merit
9/02/2017 04:26:00 AM
Detective here, this guy is a Merit fuck most definitely. This is what I have to deal with every day, someone thinking he's better then the PO's I have to depend on to do my job. To the PO"s you've got the hardest job and I and most other Dick's know it. This guy is one of the new assholes we have to deal with and I apologize for his comments. He was probably a jagoff as a PO and now he's a jagoff in the D.
in the infinite wisdom of the Masterminds that run the City and the CPD, the mass retirements of fed-up real Cops was encouraged by City and CPD Officials, who are never satisfied if the aren't playing politics, and fucking something that works somewhat well up. What these City Official dimwits failed to realize is that by getting these older cops out the door faster in order to replace them with fresh-faced College kids from Winnetka and Kansas cornfields, with their Sociology and Basket-Weaving Degrees, destroyed decades of experience and knowledge of what it really takes to fight crime and put real criminals in prison on solid cases. Now the City-ots [City Idiots], have one gigantic mess on their hands, because now things are so fouled up that even Coppers with only ten years or so want to get the f--k out and are totally disillusioned. politically-Correct panseys have replaced great, hard-nosed, brave and street smart Cops who knew how to be Cops, not Computer Geeks and Snowflakes.
Long ago, a Chicago Mayor named Big Bill Thompson once said something to the effect of: "Chicago, This Ain't no Sissy Town". You can't police a city full of savages with Alter Boys and Girls. Any Fool knows that will never work. Any Fools, that is, other than the Fools that run the City of Chicago, Crook County, the CPD and CCSD. You Taxpayers got what you voted for, and what you asked for, and wanted. Too late to cry about it now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seems like a bunch of jealous folk who mad they didn't make detective. I just recently made det. And man I catch alot of salt from these guys who didn't make it talking about shoulda coulda and every excuse in the book and talking about people who don't deserve it...face it you didn't study or your just dumb its alot of dumb people on cpd and I've learned that more than ever since making det. Honestly I never wanted to be a detective I wanted to be a sgt. But wasn't eligible for the test...i just knew I wasn't going to keep driving a beat car ...im sorry for all the dumb p.o.'s yeah I make way over a 100k now and have unlimited freedom to conduct my investigations and I get to wear nice suits...sorry yall and nope far from merit
9/02/2017 04:26:00 AM
This is just one type of the assholes on the job. He's the type who knows it all, and you PO's are meaningless to him; hell he's going to be a Sgt. someday. Hey dip shit, you better make friends with the PO's on the beat, or you'll be that 11% guy everyone is become aware of in the Homicide units. But wait, reading your rant tells me you're a property crimes kind of Detective. Because if you were in a homicide unit, you would know the value of beat coppers and their knowledge of who the bad boys are and where they hang. Do us a favor merit boy, become a merit boss and hide out at 35th street.
The description above is in fact IvanJack, he's the one that drove the detective division into the incompetence you're seeing even today. Someone should just look up the clear-up rates prior IvanJack becoming chief of detectives. I'm sure you would see a sudden drop from his time as chief and continual slide downward to the present. He drove out the experience and the brains, instituting his lack of knowledge and killed an established methodology of follow-up investigative techniques. I'm glad someone is bringing this up, however, this political hack has his suck-holes who unfortunately will defend his destructive actions and policies. I seldom see canvassing of an area of the incident, using the resources of the department, the county, state, and fed's. What I see are the computer smart phone police relying on Google, Zaba, or social media. I hear them telling their superisvors the suspect is lawyered up and that's usually the end, Suspended Case. I don't see anyone taking that extra step, only the last line on the report, request this case be suspended pending any new leads, or some other bullshit. Hey, I hate to fuck up a good thing, but you dicks should be held accountable. 15-18% clear-up rates WTF............
8/29/2017 12:01:00 PM
Just retired as a Detective and water is just fine girls and boys. But the above is right on many levels, that clear-up rate better come up soon or you guys are going to see people being launched.
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