Cluster Study?
- Claims that at least 30 current and former police officers in a Cincinnati suburb have been diagnosed with cancer has prompted the police union president to call for action on a plan to move the station’s headquarters. Sgt. Dan Hils claims 34 employees were scheduled to temporarily move out of the District 5 headquarters Ludlow Avenue location by Aug. 18, but as of this week no move had taken place, Fox 19 reported.
“Cancer again has struck another person in District 5,” Hils told Fox 19. “Officers are so upset about this they are close to walking out.”
While none of the cancer cases have been directly linked to the building, a Fox 19 investigation earlier this year revealed mold, bed bugs, leaks and cramped spaces at the location. City officials maintain that the building has no environmental concerns, and that the move was scheduled due to lack of space.
We've heard of more than a few suspicious "clusters" of illness in a few CPD buildings. Most of the buildings have been torn down in recent years, but 002, 011 and the old 015 stand out in our memories. We're sure the readers have a couple more.
Has this ever been approached by the FOP? An actual environmental study undertaken?
Has this ever been approached by the FOP? An actual environmental study undertaken?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
53 Comments:
Let us not forget the plethora of cancer recipients over at homan. The ventilation hasn't been cleaned since Sears owned it! The mold is so bad that it got it's own key card to get into the building! If that place was a public housing building or a school the city would be giving every resident/student a cool mil.
Let's not forget the new 12 was built on a asbestos site. I remember reading about it And then all of a sudden the city inspectors said they would "take care of it" and we've never heard about it since. Well low and behold there have been 5 officers since who have been diagnosed with some kind of cancer. This city don't give a shit about our safety or health. And health related lawsuits are so hard to prove. City knows this and doesn't give a shit
How about the building at 1819 Pershing. When we were in TRU the rain would come in the ceiling of the 5th floor even though it was a 6 story building. The top floor was loaded with dead pigeons and about 4" of black slime and pigeon poop that the water would filter through before making its way into our offices.
- Former 253
When was the last time the city sent someone out to clean the air ducts in 014?
Homan Square comes to mind. Also heard more than a few from 001 due to the old junk yard grounds under that location. Tons of PCB's from the vehicles processed there prior to being built. City always goes with the lowest bidder.
FOP and City Hall have been willfully blind
to what Policemen have been screaming about
for YEARS in regard to the Chicago Police
facilities that are known and notorious
cancer and upper respiratory ailment
hot spots.
It's just like when the piper needed to be
paid when Policemen who worked "The Pile"
after 9-11...
"Sorry... we're just gonna shit on you
guys because it's gonna cost US too much
money to do right by you guys who came
here and dug through that toxic stuff
and breathed/ate that toxic dust.
You're heroes though... Now go somewhere
and die quickly and quietly so we're not
on the hook for "legacy costs" like your
health care."
This is how big city progressives
"rein in costs."
Right?
Didn't Rahm get busted for bragging how
he "saved money" by stripping retirees
of their health care?
Heh...
And Rahm wants to build a new Police
training facility on a hot, nasty
and deliberately inconvenient site
at Chicago and Kildare.
A LOT of Policemen have died young
who worked at places like old 012, old 013,
old 006, old 007, 011, 025...
NOTHING.
Has been done to address this.
But you can bet a Fat Man on Friday that
if these were public schools that were
killing students, teachers and staff?
Those wretched places would have been
dealt with years ago.
But since it's just Cops, nobody gives
a high flying fuck.
"Defun' da Po-leece an' gibs dey money to US!"
Police Like You Have No Friends.
That's why I never drink coffe that's made in the station. Just last week the plumbing was being worked on. The ladies room smell like a sewer. Constant drilling and banging. The water was shut off for hours we had to use what a body Porta potty's
How about the old 20th District. There was always white dust all over the basement roll call room and the lockers down there. One day I went down there and a workman was installing a cage to enclose electronic equiptment tor the CAD system. He had a sawzall and was cutting off the insulation from the heating pipes. Clouds of white dust. I ran out. Another time people who working inside were complaining of feeling sick for a couple days. Then one afternoon a PO was in the basement and said the boiler had flames coming out of it sideways. When the CFD arrived the Captain on the engine had a meter for detecting carbon monoxide. As soon as he walked in the front door he said his meter had the highest concentration of carbon monoxide that he had ever seen. And that was at the front door of the station and the boiler that was malfunctioning was in the basement in the rear. So they sent all the prisoners to 019 but had all the police stay! Also in ancient times they had a cleaning woman whose ritual every morning was to dump a bottle of bleach all over the sinks and floors in the men's washroom in the basement. I was in the stall when she did this. I had to get up and leave as you literally could not breathe and my eyes and nose were burning all day. That station always had a certain smell to it as many old timers could probably attest to.
Sometimes these "cancer clusters" are just random chance. Show me that they all have the same cancers, or the same illnesses, and I will believe you.
Working in miserable conditions because your bosses don't care will cause illnesses, but likely not cancer. It does show that you are disrespected. And it will increase your stress in an already very stressful job. Can you say heart attack? Stroke? Hypertension? Depression?
they can figure out how to protect the endangered giant earthworm but the thin blue line? fugetaboutit....
Anybody ask Illinois OSHA to take a look at these buildings?
"Illinois OSHA protects the health and safety of public employees through the inspection, investigation and evaluation of public facilities and working conditions to ensure compliance with occupational safety and health standards and conducts educational and advisory activities to assure safe and healthy working conditions. "
Ahhhh the ole Indian burial ground of 025 has had it's share of bosses and po's been stricken down and no longer with us because of cancer. Definitely something going on there, although having worked there and seeing some of the mutant officers and bosses I'm guessing it's been a dumping ground for toxic waste. This goes back to the days of old officer C.W. The original wiener waving toxic avenger or ole Sweet Joe picking up his tasties on north ave in the wagon. That place had been cursed from it's inception. I've come to conclusion it's something in the water, I've seen many a white shirt recently drinking from the fountains and apparently it must be like an acid trip because it seems they've gotten delusional that it's still okay to demand activity and deny time due under the 15% mandated in the contract. Ole Escamertious has demanded his tactical teams drink from the tainted fountain once a day to remain brainwashed and do thy numbers bidding. This is only further evidenced by officer J.K. Volunteering to be bitten by an attack dog. I implore you few cool white shirts and non stroke blue shirts, no matter how thirsty you are, don't drink from the tainted fountain. Heed this warning or you to will indeed become a victim of the invasion of the activity snatchers. Their is only one who can save us but unfortunately Seiser is busy saving Puerto Rico by single handedly carrying fresh water towers. Every mutant for themselves!!!
That Ludlow cat must have been a real mover,
as there is a Ludlow Avenue in Dayton, Ohio
also.
The CDC would love to conduct an epidemiology
study there. Of course, this would be at tax
payer expense, so approval might be needed,
in turn resulting in more cases.
This would be a feast for a University, so I'm
surprised that U.C. Medical School has not
intervened. I believe the LEOs, so there must be
a simple answer such as asbestos or lead pipes in
ancient infrastructure.
The old 020 on Foster had a cluster of chronic alcoholism cases in it for decades....
Call my lawyer!
There's a cluster of cancer that needs surgical excision....... it's on the 5th floor of city hall.......
25th district has had a very high number of officers with cancer, with some current officers still battling cancer. If you walk through the building, you can see black mold on the ceiling tiles. The city never addresses the mold, they change the ceiling tiles once in a while when the stagnant water looks like it will bust the tiles. In a matter of days you can see the mold and water again. The issue is a known issue and nothing gets done.
What about the high school they close down because it's so dilapidated but then give it to cpd as a training site? Mold, asbestos no working cooling system, dirty and filthy but stupid police will continue to work out of there so not to be on a beat car.
Anybody ask Illinois OSHA to look at these buildings"?
Why yes, yes I did.
While working the desk in 011 a while back, I noticed black stuff around the vent opening above the desk. Since at the time I was assigned to it, I figured it would be a good idea to have it checked out.
Lo and behold, after several anonymous phone calls, OSHA and the EPA made an appearance in 011, with full, self contained hazmat suits on. They set up an A Frame ladder, right over the desk. One of the individuals climbed up, took off the vent, and looked inside with a flashlight. I thought to myself,"now we're getting somewhere!"
The guy climbed down and started folding up the ladder. I asked what the next step was and he said,"oh, we won't be doing anything more. If we investigate any further, the building will have to be condemned".
I gave up the bid that minute and never looked back.
The new 012 ? Hell the old 012 at Monroe and Racine had asbestos hanging down in the locker room in the basement and the lock up was worse, 3 former lockup keepers died of cancer from working in those conditions for all those years ! Thanks Daley, you P.O.S. !
I worked in 012 and 013 and I am currently battling cancer.
Rahm will not allow an environmental study in any police building. It's only the police, after all. He would allow one in any building that houses illegal aliens. He treats them like incubation chambers for future Democratic voters.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Yeah, put it on the FOP. The only thing FOP can do is file a safety complaint per the contract. The safety complaint is just that, a complaint and nothing more without any teeth.
On the other hand, how about putting it on the coppers who actually work there. Each individual has the ability to file a complaint with OSHA and/or the EPA. It was done in the old A/5 D-unit.
Fact is. All coppers do is bitch and then do nothing about it.
How about 61st and Racine?? Looking at bullet holes in the front door is a great way to start your tour everyday. That building was dilapidated around 1980. The fact that it's still in use is pretty awesome. Oh well.
The mens locker room in the old 012th Dist had to be cleaned of asbestos once a year. When it rained, green water would rise from the drain pipes. There was a range down there with who knows how much lead dust trapped in the walls!
A lot of CFD got cancer, too. There was a lot of talk.
Speaking of cluster cancer.....I wish some government agency would investigate the cause of the rising childhood cancer cases in the mount greenwood neighborhood. It's alarming how many young children have been diagnosed with cancer in that neighborhood.
Call Hillary Clinton, I'm sure she would like to help build a new station for the Police.
Tap that Clinton Foundation money pit.
J.J.
The old stations were bad... that old school on Sedwick? The training school.they could use that in horror films.
The 002nd district was horrible but since they promoted that ignorant Terence Williams and he took his whiny punk man/gal secretary, the air smells alil better.
I would bet my OT check comiing on OCT 7th that Human Square has been the workplace of more god cancer cases in the last 20 years than anywhere else in the city. That place needs to be shut down. Why don't we just move to one of the big cos schools that Rahm closed down. There has to be a better space than Homan.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sometimes these "cancer clusters" are just random chance. Show me that they all have the same cancers, or the same illnesses, and I will believe you.
Working in miserable conditions because your bosses don't care will cause illnesses, but likely not cancer. It does show that you are disrespected. And it will increase your stress in an already very stressful job. Can you say heart attack? Stroke? Hypertension? Depression?
Common sense dictates here. Don't you think your bosses would care if there were clusters. THEY WORK IN THE SAME BUILDING and spend more time in it than the average beat guy
How about the old 20th District. There was always white dust all over the basement roll call room and the lockers down there. One day I went down there and a workman was installing a cage to enclose electronic equiptment tor the CAD system. He had a sawzall and was cutting off the insulation from the heating pipes. Clouds of white dust. I ran out. Another time people who working inside were complaining of feeling sick for a couple days. Then one afternoon a PO was in the basement and said the boiler had flames coming out of it sideways. When the CFD arrived the Captain on the engine had a meter for detecting carbon monoxide. As soon as he walked in the front door he said his meter had the highest concentration of carbon monoxide that he had ever seen. And that was at the front door of the station and the boiler that was malfunctioning was in the basement in the rear. So they sent all the prisoners to 019 but had all the police stay! Also in ancient times they had a cleaning woman whose ritual every morning was to dump a bottle of bleach all over the sinks and floors in the men's washroom in the basement. I was in the stall when she did this. I had to get up and leave as you literally could not breathe and my eyes and nose were burning all day. That station always had a certain smell to it as many old timers could probably attest to.
You should be worrying about the workmen,plumber and cleaning lady who have to work in those conditions everyday, not like you who are only there during a repair. If CFD said it's higheest concentration of carbon monoxide they must never have been to an accident or suicide by leaving a car run
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let us not forget the plethora of cancer recipients over at homan. The ventilation hasn't been cleaned since Sears owned it! The mold is so bad that it got it's own key card to get into the building! If that place was a public housing building or a school the city would be giving every resident/student a cool mil.
Thanks for the warning. I was supposed to be transferred into Intelkigence next order. I'll be withdrawing my request. Am surprised all those guys and bosses want to stay there in OCD.
The city's idea of checking for toxicity is to send in the 'Blue Canaries.'
I seem to remember something about Area 2 being built on a toxic dump. Quite a few years ago there was a high incidence of P.O.'s and Detectives coming down with rare forms of cancers. After several died, the remaining ones files a lawsuit after OSHA was not allowed to come in and investigate. Chicago, true to form, kept getting the case continued over and over again. Finally the last member involved passed away and the suit had to be thrown out. As far as I know, nothing ever came of it. I may not be completely accurate on the details but I'm sure others are aware of this...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When was the last time the city sent someone out to clean the air ducts in 014?
9/29/2017 12:48:00 AM
There are brand new filters. Boxes of them sitting in the garage that haven't been touched in YEARS. When the new XO got there he lit a fire under the Building Engineer, got the place painted, threw out junk that was sitting for years and made the break room a place suitable for eating again. now it's a half way decent building.
Worked in the 007,008,010 talk about buildings full of toxic chemicals everything from asbestos, mold etc many coppers I worked with died young especially the "house mice!" In the newer stations many are built on former contaminated land that could not be sold, but the city builds stations on them as police are disposable! The newer stations have air extractors and the filters are not serviced so your breathing in polluted air and with the windows not able to be fully opened if at all this causes much concern for the future of coppers working there! I know some younger coppers working in the new 001 who have contracted cancer, wonder how much is caused by that building which is literally falling down,and the building is cracking in 1/2 from the inside!
The mayor him and his crew of rich misfits don't care! Look at the tilt-a-whirl 35th street gem: floors uneven, the gym even had to get rid of round dumbells and get hexagon bells so they would now roll across the room, the desks have shims underneath so drawers will not open and trip coppers. The doors don't fully close, when it rains the parking lot is tilted towards the building so the rain goes inside and no sewers properly installed! The elected took the payoffs the police took the shaft!
I forgot about the dead pigeons on pershing! One night after working ot the elevators were down and we shagged the buns from the stairwell and headed up. Lousy track of the floor we were on, lights didn't work either. We entered on 6th floor instead of 5. Couldn't believe my eyes, i thought it was our office!
Old 6thbdistrict at 84th & Green was the winner. I was in the basement locker room one morning when Fire Department came in with masks and haz May gear. City had rigged an alarm to detect fumes from old leaking gas tank Problem was alarm was not audible in station, only at 911 center. We moved to new digs at 78th and Halsted but old station was leased as a beauty school. You can still see the ventilation shack the city built to remove the fumes. What a dump.
Anonymous said...
Yeah, put it on the FOP. The only thing FOP can do is file a safety complaint per the contract. The safety complaint is just that, a complaint and nothing more without any teeth.
On the other hand, how about putting it on the coppers who actually work there. Each individual has the ability to file a complaint with OSHA and/or the EPA. It was done in the old A/5 D-unit.
Fact is. All coppers do is bitch and then do nothing about it.
9/29/2017 08:11:00 AM
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Actually A/5 was told that because we are a government agency, we are not covered under OSHA or the EPA. It was filed under the IL Labor Board or something bizarre like that. At the time it seemed strange. How did that complaint work out? I will tell you not much was done.
Only certain places with beneficial political optics gets the attention and resolution.
Heavens to Betsy, they found a little lead in the CPS drinking water. Gotta replace ALL the plumbing and include aIr conditioning while you're at it.
Must be all that filtering being done before it hits my house that's making water safe...to the tune of $1200 a year.
Nothing is more toxic than a connected city contractor paying off Alderthieves and building with inferior materials.
Not sure what became of old 013 but 012 was a swamp after a good rain, lead paint covered by acrylic enamel, asbestos wrapped pipes covered with plastic Saran Wrap, etc. But now it's school theatre and safe.
The academy, shithole but that land is valuable.
If there's money to be made, they'll sell off a "dilapidated, outdated" police facility to build/merge a new one.
If land around multi-code hazard 025 ever becomes valuable (in 2030) expect the city to sell and replace it.
Or it could just be an unexplained cluster of cancer. That happens now and then. Statistically it's almost a guarantee that it will happen somewhere.
427am,
You aren't kidding about that place! That was the weirdest and craziest group of coppers I saw in 34 years on the job. Did a year in 020 in the late '80s. All I can say is....wow! That was a good time, but what a bunch of whack jobs.
Speaking as one who has familiarity with the topic & each of the facilities, I would suggest to all CPD that they verify the indoor air quality at the Academy & Area HQ firing ranges.
Ask 2FM-EHS about the Indoor Air Quality at the Firing Ranges (Acad & Area HQs). Ask the BldgEngrs about it. Repeat once or twice. Then ask IL/OSHA to look into it.
Across the alley, (to the west) of the old 012 station on Monroe St., there is/was? a three story building that had the Barnes Plating company plying there trade for years. Most people entered and left the building from the alley. In warm weather you could see the fumes from the plater being blown by a fan, out of the opening on their first floor, right at the backdoors of the station. There was visible chemical leeching through the brick walls on all sides. The water reclamation district put a monitor on their sewer pipe and they were told to use their chemicals during certain times only. One weekend the place was emptied. There was an artist that was going to open a studio on the top floor!
I wonder why they snuck out like a thief in the night and were gone in one weekend?
Could they have caused the nasty green/gray pool of slime to ooze into the basement locker room floor in the station? When it rained the lower room that used to be a range would flood and the chemical ooze would eat the bottoms of the steel lockers in that room!!!
Would you call that just an unexplained cluster of cancer, that happens now and then? Statistically unimportant?
A cancer victim...
A complaint was made with the FOP about the toxic locker room in 012. The late Mr. Fallon from FOP put in complaints with OSHA,EPA etc...etc.
Osha came in and put their paperwork on the locker room walls and city inspectors made the city fix exit lights, handrails, leaking pipes and other violations. After Mr. Fallon died, the papers were torn off the walls and no one new nuffin about the complaints. The toxic ooze coming up through the locker room floor continued! Maybe that's why the city sold the property for $1.00?
Anonymous said...
I worked in 012 and 013 and I am currently battling cancer.
9/29/2017 07:32:00 AM
Stay strong brother/sister.
We asked a divine intercession on behalf
of you and your family.
God Bless...
Anonymous said...
I would bet my OT check comiing on OCT 7th that Human Square has been the workplace of more god cancer cases in the last 20 years than anywhere else in the city. That place needs to be shut down. Why don't we just move to one of the big cos schools that Rahm closed down. There has to be a better space than Homan.
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You would win sir. I visited the old engineer at Homan about ten years or so ago. He showed me the ventilation system and furnace within. The filters have never been changes since CPD moved in.
It was so fucking amazing that the rats would never roam in these micro biologist dream of viruses and bacteria ventilation.
Check for yourself at the filter cage by the dock by the Bomb Recs and SWAT. 3 inches of dust from never moving and they still get shipped to Homan and the old boxes, sealed are thrown into dumpsters.
The building engineer's know it is not their job to clean the main vent.
One of you guys should take a sample of the vent room or furnace. Send to a lab and the chemists would shit with these killers lucking in the air you poor coppers breath everyday.
City buildings is as bad as when the brave men and woman endured the aftermath of 911. The debris there killed many a hero, and more to come. The city of NYC acknowledged this. Chicago will blow every one off. Employee' mean shit to the hall.
Daley and 9 1/2 have a special place when they meet their maker.
City buildings will take you out more then any violence on the street.
Again, take a sample and see for yourself that Homan is a cancer cluster.
I would bet my OT check comiing on OCT 7th that Human Square has been the workplace of more god cancer cases in the last 20 years than anywhere else in the city. That place needs to be shut down. Why don't we just move to one of the big cos schools that Rahm closed down. There has to be a better space than Homan.
9/29/2017 10:22:00 AM
I took my power test to get on the job on the indoor job track at Homan. I coughed up black shit for hours afterwards.
024 - Laura Cole, Willie Nelson, Sam Capasso, Dan Detloff (although his cancer may have been more due to his lifestyle), MIke Kennedy. I'm sure there are more from that place.
And what's with all the damn bugs in just about every station? Giant mosquitos, sewer flies, beetles, nats!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I worked in 012 and 013 and I am currently battling cancer.
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Prayers for a full and speedy recovery.
God Bless you and your family...
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