Furlough Adjustment
So the Department is cutting back on summer furloughs?
- OT- Annual watch furlough order is usually issued by now but delay is because: Furlough picks will be 8.75% (1,2,3,4,5,11,12 and 13th periods) and 6% (6,7,8,9,10).
Under these percentages, a lot of people who had summer furloughs aren't getting them any more. This will be sure to raise morale!
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
114 Comments:
Wow!
Keep bringing in that activity.
Do more with less.
Can't do that per contract. Rumor and a bad one at that.
Unreal... Job sucks more with each passing year!
10 period is not a summer segment.
Is FOP involved in this?
I’m surprised it took this long
So let me get this straight. I get a sat/Sun off together about every 7th week. I never get 3 day weekends unless Im allowed to burn a day. Even if I am lucky enough for memorial day/4th of July/labor day to fall on my rdo, they will likely be cancelled. Now it will be much more difficult to get a summer furlo.
So much for having a personal life.
When I came on we had two 3 day weekends back to back and getting time due was no problem. I can't imagine being a young person coming on the job today, you might as well join the army.
Won't the additional 1000 officer even that out? Having more officers with less seniority will allow senior officer to keep same furloughs as last year
Maybe they need a "Beer with the Mayor" program. Taking a page from Obama's playbook, officers feeling bummed can have a beer with Rahm, in his backyard.
does FOP even begin to address these things? wow, just fucking wow...
Here in 012 they always take care of us ;-)
Thanks, CPD, so instead of the projected 7% on Furlough during the Summer, we will have another 15%-20% on Medical or IOD. This will bring the entire force down around 30% every day. Good Luck getting any CU this summer.
This should be met with a bunch of activity. Each car on all shifts should produce numbers, but only on their exempt's first day of furlough, then maybe every third day after that. Parkers outside of the aldershit's office, anything outside of the rev's money making schemes, anything that would have everybody "in the know" or have access, to call that department issued crackberry to register outrage. Either the calls go unanswered, and enrage the privileged ones, or the exempt has zero vacation while he is putting out fires. ALL activity to stop on their first day back.
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
DÉJÀ VU
Just had a flashback to
SCC Summer Furlough Rumor
June 18, 2012
They continue to beat the working POs into the ground. What a sad story. Family first right? Hahahahaha!!!
"Under these percentages, a lot of people who had summer furloughs aren't getting them any more".
Not sure, but doesn't our illustrious union have to agree to changes in these percentages? Section 23.2 doesn't reference numbers, but I really didn't read further. Anywho, until it's all hashed out...
Get some time on the job, kid!
Don't worry, the CAPS officers/sgts will still be able to switch their 10 and 11 segment for a 7 or 8.
Beatings... The bend over will continue now
1 more nail in the coffin.
sorry kids, maybe next year.
Leroy Martin tried this back when he was Supt....he wanted to reverse the percentages, less in summer, more in winter....the union grieved it and won, the arbitrator said you can't do this. FOP, check back in your files!!!!!
Old Retired Guy.
They did this in 024. The eliminated a couple of spots for summer for furloughs this summer. All these years I've been waiting and slowly moving and getting closer to summer furloughs. Now I'm being pushed back and by the time I get to them , my kids will have graduated from high school.
BOHICA
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
Nice sarcasm.
Anonymous said...
does FOP even begin to address these things? wow, just fucking wow...
10/26/2017 12:42:00 AM
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NO!
The only thing the current FOP addresses is the wrongful conviction movement.
And, EVERY article written by Prieb about that mentions the Alstory Simon case.
EOUGH FOP
ENOUGH
Start representing the rank and file like you said you would!
Will the 1000 new make up for the 1100 retiring?
FOP I can't hear you! Again.
Oops they just lost 6000 of the 14000 fir exam. They like summers off.
Keep voting democratic, bee-yotches. And make sure you buy ALL you tickets to the Alderman's cocktail party, so you'll make Alderman. Lol
To add on to your “Feeling Bummed” post shown below. The inside warriors should not be allowed summer furloghs. I’m not talking district front desk or lock-up, but the true office mice.
Blow me. I only come to work for the Blue Cross.
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?....................................
Not at all little Tommy, your godfather, the alderman has already spoken to Eddie and you are golden. Just continue your good work on days counting radio's in the back room.
By the way, heard from the source that sergeant stripes could be in your future by next Christmas. You are the future man
The percentages are NOT in the contract. Section 23.2 in the fop handbook.
Untrue.
Can't do that per contract. Rumor and a bad one at that.
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Which contract did you read? For those of you who think this is in the contract read it first. There is no mention of the amount/percent of P.O.s that can be off per giving segment.
https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dol/Collective%20Bargaining%20Agreement3/FOPCBA2012-2017_2.20.15.pdf
Look before you leap 12:18 A.M.
It is what it is. The job sucks anymore. Why in God's name anyone would come on this job is beyond me. My ex-wife and I talked (her now) 20 year old daughter out of coming on the job and a former LT CPD who is the the chief of police in Spokane, WA (who was the 1st husband to my crazy ex-wife) has also talked his kid out of coming on. When does that happen? We all know this job is generational. Right? Well I guess not anymore. Anyone, brass or not; clout-heavy or not, who talks their kids into coming on this job is just whacked.
Work at Amazon. At least you won't find yourself going to prison for doing your job like JVD and company.
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
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If you want to spend time with your family in Jersey in August, you better get hired as the police on the Jersey Shore.
(OT) what is going on in Naperville formally one of the best places to live in the USA;
$1K reward for man who attacked, tried to rob Naperville postal worker
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/1k-reward-for-man-who-attacked-tried-to-rob-naperville-postal-worker
Violent crime is increasing there!
Oh here is the reason that people were sold out again by the elected just like in Chicago and many other democratic run places;
Naperville approves requiring landlords to accept housing vouchers
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/naperville-sun/news/ct-nvs-naperville-council-housing-vouchers-st-1007-20161005-story.html
Let's look around:
https://www.gosection8.com/Section-8-housing-in-NAPERVILLE-IL/Main/faq.aspx
My friend was thinking about buying a home here in Naperville but with all the crime no way. The Naperville Police Department who are hard-working police officers like Chicago police officers are are getting a taste of the Chicago experience!
He's going to loose the election and he is preparing the goodbye presents.
Anonymous said...
Maybe they need a "Beer with the Mayor" program. Taking a page from Obama's playbook, officers feeling bummed can have a beer with Rahm, in his backyard.
10/26/2017 12:42:00 AM
Sounds like Rahm's going to have quite the buzz going.......
Are you sure they can do this SCC???
Contract violation. I doubt it.
WTF? Is that all HQ does is sit around thinking about how to fuck us? Ok then fuck it, next summer will be a long one, Ill take one job at a time, milk the fuck out of each one and let the back logs pile up. We will wait and listen for the prestigious yuppies to complain about how long it took us to get there for a barking dog complaint! Or a dog without a leash.. music complaints..parking complaints..why are we still getting these jobs? I thought we were supposed to go thru a change in 911 calls? so fuckin ridiculous! Hopefully the BLUE FLU wont show up next summer. So the change in furlo percentage means that Holiday RDO's will not be cancelled next summer since well have more PO's on the street? Go fuck yourself HQ! Car FOP.. Where are you?
I like working the summer. Thats when there's the most action and the most guns out there.
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
For the love of God, please tell me you’re joking
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
No bro you should be good. Just tell the Captain you know the ultimate tactical warrior and it will all get straightened out.
Sitting at the firehouse kitchen table and talking about your job the other day. We're there for you, and hope you're there for us, but the consensus was we can't for the life of us believe why would ever get out of you cars except to back each other up.
Stay safe...and fetal.
All that counts is the 1st and the 16th, 29 and a day.
Summer is a great time to get that knee or shoulder surgery you've been putting off. Take care of yourself.
The good news is that more people might be able to use their time to take a day or two off during the summer. The problem with the furloughs are the extensions, which get priority over all other time requests. For the non-police people - say an officer takes their furlough over the forth of July (7B). Each segment is two weeks but the officer can extend the furlough on the front and back, to his regular days off. So if you have 8% of your officers taking 7B and 8% of your officers taking 8A you will have about two weeks where 16% of your officers are on furlough. Take the rest of the officers that are regular day off, on the medical, or detailed to every city event on weekends and you can see how no one can get off during the summer.
If the Commander changes anyone's furlough after the picks, your union representative should file a grievance. The problem is that most District union reps do not have the balls to do anything and most officers just don't care. That also goes for the Commander putting his people on days when there are bid spots open and he chooses not to open them.
10 period is not a summer segment.
10/26/2017 12:20:00 AM
Exactly! 10th period has always been study hall.
Our contract sucks as far as the City's right to cancel RDO'S and work the manpower angle. Last few years have been brutal. It's like a Chinese sweatshop. On the bright side, Ald O'Shea is doing street cleaning (blowing leaves around) on my street for the 7,000th time this year hoping to catch some midnight officer, the elderly or a working mother from moving their car to put money in his Master Rahm's piggy bank. I can't believe what a scam this is. People in the neighborhood pick up on their own. How about using some of that money on sewers, alleys, and sidewalks. Would someone please run against this clown!
Boy, glad I'm retired.
Here in 012 they always take care of us ;-)
As nice as our new Commander may be. Know that he was put here for a reason. Remember "smiling faces show no traces of the evil that lurks within" Can you dig it!
Isn't the average furlo percentage about 7% per segment? So going to 6% or 8.75%, given the average number in a district is really only going to shift how many bodies?
5? At most?
Desperate for bodies. But not so desperate they clear out the CAPS office.
Over years and have always taken spring and fall.
Dude don't need summer to shoot somebody, last October and November were deadly.
Guess we should have kept 6-2. At least we would be guaranteed 2 weekends whitout burning OUR time.
They can do whatever they want Kevin graham will do nothing as a matter of fact Kevin really looks and sound like this guy when he hears of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q
Then over here another anti-American,anti-police kneeler gets caught lying he must be a democrat:
Waiter: MLB catcher Bruce Maxwell made up story about service refusal over anthem protest
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/10/25/waiter-mlb-catcher-bruce-maxwell-made-up-story-about-service-refusal-over-anthem-protest.html
mlb should toss his ass on the street like the nfl thugs and nba thugs you don't like America lets see what kind of job your qualified for "you want fries with this?"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don't worry, the CAPS officers/sgts will still be able to switch their 10 and 11 segment for a 7 or 8.
10/26/2017 02:33:00 AM
Yes.
In my district the CAPS and Admin people simply switch their furlo to one that they couldn’t get seniority wise but one that they feel “entitled” to.
If taking away the summer vacations is good for the community then so be it. Cops have to sacrifice to help improve crime conditions. How selfish of you cops to only think of yourselves and your families. Just kidding.
Sucks to be the new guys! What's even better is all the new bosses get promoted so early in their careers that they never know what it's like to have a good furlo pic. Just able to stretch out to obtain a late February or early March furlo when BAMM! Now your a Sgt. Back to zero seniority. Then just when they make two years in grade (still not knowing the job) BAMM! Now a new LT. Depending on who their boyfriend/girlfriend is, that may be short lived. They don't care what a seasoned officer gets for furlo. They never had the good ones themselves.
Well, in theory that is...
Anonymous said...
This should be met with a bunch of activity. Each car on all shifts should produce numbers, but only on their exempt's first day of furlough, then maybe every third day after that. Parkers outside of the aldershit's office, anything outside of the rev's money making schemes, anything that would have everybody "in the know" or have access, to call that department issued crackberry to register outrage. Either the calls go unanswered, and enrage the privileged ones, or the exempt has zero vacation while he is putting out fires. ALL activity to stop on their first day back.
10/26/2017 01:22:00 AM
Get off the blog Special Ed. I’m going to continue to not do shit EVER. The CPD is the most fucked up crappy job with the city and as long as the mayor and bosses continue to treat us like shit, I’m going to continue to do NOTHING. Call me a lazy dog ass or whatever you “workers” say nowadays, but I don’t give a fuck anymore about any of this bullshit.
Watch picks come out before furlough picks. False rumour.
Anonymous said...
Can't do that per contract. Rumor and a bad one at that.
10/26/2017 12:18:00 AM
Nowhere in the contract does it say that the department cannot do that. As a matter of fact, the contract states that the department has total control over when you take your furlough subject to the department’s needs. They are only required to grant you a furlough and must grant them according to seniority. If they wanted to, they could completely block June, July, and August but then they would have a bigger shortage of manpower the remaining months. If you really think the contract says something else, I challenge you to find it and point it out.
Jersey Shore, You will be fine. Enjoy your time at the beach. :-}`
The city reserves the right to change schedules and furloughs and do you think Kevin will even try to do anything? He was so loud when he was running,along with Greg now they are running silent,must of fed at rahms trough at city hall! No more speaking out for us, Kevin please last time we talked you must lose weight work out,eat right set the example!
This is the start of the demands on street officers. They consider furloughs a bonus, so accept what you are allowed to take. Summer furloughs are a luxury that the city cannot afford. Can you imagine the plans they have for the next contract? It will be a full attack by the city, communities and media to take all of the rights away that we fought for over the last ten years. I hope FOP is up and prepared for the challenge.
"10 period is not a summer segment." - 10/26/2017 12:20:00 AM
Always summa-time in the hood.
I remember squabs getting stuck with 1st & 2nd Period furlos (and Midnights) during their first 10+ years.
Not sure what changed, but always one or two were lucky to get a 3, 4 or 10th Period.
You guys really are getting shit upon every day by StupidIntended Jugghead and his Posse. It's too bad he gets to change the seasonal manpower needs as he sees fit. No hires means bodies or those additional needed bodies are sitting behind cubicles at HQ.
But please, for the upper managements sake, keep up with the ISR activity.
This job just gets better and better. I have had my last furlough on this job so it would not effect me either way. My next furlough will be in the form of a check from the city.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
Of course not. You have 17 months on the job and you NEED a month off to spend at your family home. Don't let the COD get in the way of that. I'm sure most of the po's with 20 years on would be happy to switch an August furlough with you. Now that you are coming off probation have you requested a certain district, maybe with days and weekends off. I'm sure the CPD will accommodate your requests
Could someone explain to me why I am a certified and fully trained Police Officer on the Aviation Police Dept, and I can't carry my weapon and now have all my uniforms stripped of the word Police? I seem to nail it as a part timer in a busy suburb and make TONS of arrests yet I walk in and have to hide everyday instead of locking up the numerous bad dudes that end up at O'Hare and the Clouted Dinosaurs on CPD can't seem to ever find.
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
Hahhhahahahaha .. Best laugh I've had today
It's stuff like this that tells the troops you really don't give a rat's a$$.
Rewards them with going to all retail thefts 6-8 cars body cameras on TRRs for the slights resistance.
Let the bosses watch hours of video and work late. OT for everyone and Kim Foxx dropping charges.
Not my problem. Can’t get that anyway. And I’m not going back to a rats nest for a better furlough.
Incorrect, directive just came out it is the same as last year.
Wtf it is gonna be dam near impossible to get time in summer. Gotta love this place.
Anonymous said...
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
10/26/2017 01:34:00 AM
No worries, Snookie.
Just smile that sweet smile and the boss will not only switch your furlough,
they'll carry your luggage to the airport for you, too.
AMC message out today with link to Dept Notice D17-05 regarding ''Annual Watch And Furlough Selection...".
Nothing's changed.
Same with your seniority until they hire more coppers, kid... it hasn't changed.
Now enjoy that 1A / 2A.
It's worse in places with only 4 spots per segment.
You can bet the supervisors and these political hack exempts will not be denied summer vacations with their ilk! And off topic- these new body cams have a log of all the videos each officer uploads over whatever timeframe they choose. You will be red flagged if you do not upload enough videos in accordance to their standard. Videos will be "randomly" selected each day by supervisors to be reviewed. So now we have a quota of videos to meet each month, and another method of punishment for officers that are targeted by vindictive and power drunk management.
Remember keep making arrests you will go far!!!!
Can you say LAYUP!
Ot..... Anyone else having problems with cpfcu in getting their money back from fraudulent charges on their debit cards?
City can decide furlough percentage surprised it's not 2% in nice weather 98% in cold temps! Kevin the buffet please move away, your so quiet young man who owns you?
(OT) headline:
Jury in civil trial says man was shot by Chicago police officer, awards him $44.7 million
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-police-shooting-trial-verdict-20171025-story.html
Headline should read rahms stupid ignorant comments cost taxpayers 44 million+
Except:Then, jurors were asked to consider, among other things, whether a so-called “code of silence” existed within the Chicago Police Department that protected Kelly. They did so after being exposed to conclusions by the Police Accountability Task Force, the Department of Justice and even Mayor Rahm Emanuel that the code is real.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/jury-awards-man-shot-in-head-by-chicago-cops-gun-44-7m/
Code is real rahm yes ok what you said is real "real dumb!"
OT: Hey SCC I am on a LOA and check in from time to time. I just saw this. Not sure if this is old news to you and everyone and if it is no need to post it.
http://www.chicagocopa.org/data-cases/case-portal/
You can see damn near everything from all the dashcam videos, body cams and TRRs/case reports. Again sorry to anyone if this is yesterday's news.
I prefer thin crust said...
I like working the summer. Thats when there's the most action and the most guns out there.
10/26/2017 08:15:00 AM
After your fun summer you can relax a bit at callback during the winter, you hard charger LOL
Anonymous said...
Could someone explain to me why I am a certified and fully trained Police Officer on the Aviation Police Dept, and I can't carry my weapon and now have all my uniforms stripped of the word Police? I seem to nail it as a part timer in a busy suburb and make TONS of arrests yet I walk in and have to hide everyday instead of locking up the numerous bad dudes that end up at O'Hare and the Clouted Dinosaurs on CPD can't seem to ever find.
10/26/2017 12:15:00 PM
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Because you were really hired as an aviation security officer. Is that not your title? I understand that you are trained and certified but that is because of various requirements not because you really are a police officer. The city would never have sent you to academy training if they were not required to. Tons of arrests in this environment? Riiiiiggghhhhhtttt. Your duties are more like a security officer. Know your role. Nothing against your role, but you seem confrontational when you come here and ask your questions, as if we had any part in the city's decisions. Talk to your union.
Signed,
The unclouted by bid dinosaur.
To 357 pm...I got hacked once and manager at 111th loc took care of me. Charges went away. However the credit union has been charging me atm fees to use their own atm at the station .
CPFCU is on its last leg with me
They will let the picks happen....then change the game---cutting the summer furlos to a lower percentage-and letting all those who 'lose their pick" be granted any other segment (except 13) without bumping anyone already there.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
I remember in 010, Certain Pos used to use Personal days to get their days off then call the timekeeper to change the day off to comp time so they could save their personal days. All legit.
Best foot chases are in the summer. Dude can’t hide his pistol when it’s hot outside.
Could someone explain to me why I am a certified and fully trained Police Officer on the Aviation Police Dept, and I can't carry my weapon and now have all my uniforms stripped of the word Police? I seem to nail it as a part timer in a busy suburb and make TONS of arrests yet I walk in and have to hide everyday instead of locking up the numerous bad dudes that end up at O'Hare and the Clouted Dinosaurs on CPD can't seem to ever find.
10/26/2017 12:15:00 PM
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You answered your own question.
YOU are a "soft-ball" just by the way you speak so highly of yourself.
I remember in 010, Certain Pos used to use Personal days to get their days off then call the timekeeper to change the day off to comp time so they could save their personal days. All legit.
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Thats been going on since 1855 kid.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You can bet the supervisors and these political hack exempts will not be denied summer vacations with their ilk! And off topic- these new body cams have a log of all the videos each officer uploads over whatever timeframe they choose. You will be red flagged if you do not upload enough videos in accordance to their standard. Videos will be "randomly" selected each day by supervisors to be reviewed. So now we have a quota of videos to meet each month, and another method of punishment for officers that are targeted by vindictive and power drunk management.
10/26/2017 02:54:00 PM
The videos are being synced with your assignments. If you go on 10 jobs, it's hard to justify only having one video. Nothing's really changed. Supervisors have always had to monitor them.
I remember in 010, Certain Pos used to use Personal days to get their days off then call the timekeeper to change the day off to comp time so they could save their personal days. All legit.
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Thats been going on since 1855 kid.
SCC< video of woman publicly confronts Chicago police board for covering up Tom Dart's domestic. She claims to have report listing Patricia Dart as victim of domestic battery.
Link to video..
https://crookcountysheriff.blogspot.com/2017/10/domestic-violence-activist-confronts.html
Can't do that per contract. Rumor and a bad one at that.
10/26/2017 12:18:00 AM
They cried " emergency ", and did it during The NATO Summit.
Nowhere in the contract does it say that the department cannot do that. As a matter of fact, the contract states that the department has total control over when you take your furlough subject to the department’s needs. They are only required to grant you a furlough and must grant them according to seniority. If they wanted to, they could completely block June, July, and August but then they would have a bigger shortage of manpower the remaining months. If you really think the contract says something else, I challenge you to find it and point it out.
THIS PERSON IS EXACTLY CORRECT
10/26/2017 03:57:00 PM Re;fraudulent charges...
YES. Their visa sux. Ive been tryin to get charges reversed all year. Wtf.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here in 012 they always take care of us ;-)
As nice as our new Commander may be. Know that he was put here for a reason. Remember "smiling faces show no traces of the evil that lurks within" Can you dig it!
10/26/2017 09:05:00 AM
Reason being to burst the Bubblehead’s Band of Brothers? A week in and the improvement in attitude is already noticeable.
10/26/2017 12:15:00 PM
Buh bye
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
This is great! LOL
Nowhere in the contract does it say that the department cannot do that. As a matter of fact, the contract states that the department has total control over when you take your furlough subject to the department’s needs. They are only required to grant you a furlough and must grant them according to seniority. If they wanted to, they could completely block June, July, and August but then they would have a bigger shortage of manpower the remaining months. If you really think the contract says something else, I challenge you to find it and point it out.
THIS PERSON IS EXACTLY CORRECT
Couldn't agree more. From the contract 23.2. Commander has the leeway to reuse the number that are off and one of them mentioned was seasonal
Yes.
In my district the CAPS and Admin people simply switch their furlo to one that they couldn’t get seniority wise but one that they feel “entitled” to.
Happens all the time and the commander approves it.
They did this in 024. The eliminated a couple of spots for summer for furloughs this summer. All these years I've been waiting and slowly moving and getting closer to summer furloughs. Now I'm being pushed back and by the time I get to them , my kids will have graduated from high school.
What? The CAPS personal are complaing again?
The percentages are spelled out in Department Notice D17-05
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am getting off probation in a month and I need all of August off to spend at my family's home on the Jersey Shore. Will this impact me?
Of course not. Don't worry about it
And will you are there say hello to Snooki, JWoww and the situation for me. Oh forgot Pauline D
Ps. If they don't let you go get a CR on the commander That always works
Anonymous said...
The percentages are spelled out in Department Notice D17-05
10/27/2017 04:56:00 PM
Which is not the contract, is written by the department, and can be changed by the department anytime management wants to change it.
Just silly...
So half the calendar year is considered
to be "summer" by the department?
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