No Furlough Adjustments?
It seems the Order and Calendar came out yesterday and no percentage adjustments were noted.
Can anyone verify or disprove the comments that say Furlough percentages are included in the Contract? We're pretty sure they aren't, but we're in no position to check for a couple of days due to circumstances beyond our control. We would assume that the Department has quite a bit of leeway in dictating how furloughs are allocated.
Can anyone verify or disprove the comments that say Furlough percentages are included in the Contract? We're pretty sure they aren't, but we're in no position to check for a couple of days due to circumstances beyond our control. We would assume that the Department has quite a bit of leeway in dictating how furloughs are allocated.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
24 Comments:
Can anyone verify or disprove the comments that say Furlough percentages are included in the Contract?
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Look at the contract.
Percentages of how many can be off for any particular police period are NOT stated.
GO TO: (Starts on the bottom of Page 49)
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5516f090e4b01b711314608f/t/55d0b066e4b0c6285c50236b/1439740006221/Chicago-FOP-Contract.pdf
The percentages are in the contract. The commander’s leeway comes in how the segments are closed out. They can be closed out as you go to keep them balanced or leave them open until the end so that the 1st and 2nd periods have lots of openings.
Furlough should be by seniority period !!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
The percentages are in the contract. The commander’s leeway comes in how the segments are closed out. They can be closed out as you go to keep them balanced or leave them open until the end so that the 1st and 2nd periods have lots of openings.
10/27/2017 02:34:00 AM
No they aren’t. Please reference the page number and section of the contract that states this. Oh that’s right, you can’t, because it doesn’t.
“The percentages are in the contract. The commander’s leeway comes in how the segments are closed out. They can be closed out as you go to keep them balanced or leave them open until the end so that the 1st and 2nd periods have lots of openings.”
Huh? Dead wrong.
From the contract:
Furlough schedules may be adjusted to accommodate seasonal operations, significant revision in organization, work assignments or the number of personnel in particular ranks.
Ok. I was wrong.
"Section 29A.3
Furlough shall be selected in accordance with this
Agreement and procedure subject to operational
needs, and approved individual furlough days may be taken by
Officers so requesting at the
discretion of the Department."
I don't see percentages.
The percentages are not included in the contract. Article 4 gives the Department managerial rights to dictate policy and procedures, but the percentages that have been in place for decades would likely be viewed by an arbitrator as an established past practice. A change would be grievable as it would be a change in working conditions.
Just approved. 20 Lts, 80 Sgts and 80 Dets. to start 20 November
My tact team was told this a week ago..." Furlough picks will be 8.75% (1,2,3,4,5,11,12 and 13th periods) and 6% (6,7,8,9,10).".....so I guess it will only apply to tact teams.
End that Furlo by Watch and temporarily backfill where needed.
Furlo percentages seem to be adjusted to the needs of the District, plus any 20% phone calls and additional Admin spots.
Can't find actual Contract Percentages and since it's the Watch that dictates personnel requirements,
Sect.23.2 - Page 35:
Furlough schedules may be adjusted to Accomadate Seasonal Operations, significant revision in organization, Work Assignments or the Number of Personnel in Particular Ranks.
Sect.31.4 - Page 52:
"The Employer shall Determine and Post the number of positions to be assigned to each Watch...
Within 10 days of the date of the Annual Watch of Watch Assignments, The Employer shall provide the Lodge with documents of the Number of Allocated Personnel by Watch, a list of Sucessful bidders by Watch..."
Looks like the General Order (Employer) has the say.
It's all Give and Take during Contract negotiations, so far the City has been doing all the taking.
Yes the department can say anything they want including special summer events. A few years ago they didn't allow anyone to take a 5(I think) furlough due to NATO.
The percentages are in the contract. The commander’s leeway comes in how the segments are closed out. They can be closed out as you go to keep them balanced or leave them open until the end so that the 1st and 2nd periods have lots of openings.
Wrong....when furlo picks are down there should be no open slots. Get the number of officers picking furlo, do your percentages, and in the end there should be no empty slots. If there is they are doing it wrong. In other words, if 300 people are picking furlos, you should have 600 split slots that equal 300 full furlo slots.....PERIOD. Commander has NO LEEWAY, do the calculations and thats it.
The department can dictate furloughs . They did the same thing a few years back because when the
NATO Summit And G-8 Summit were scheduled for here in 2012
furlos should be seniority by watch. Day people screw over the midnight kids and they then have to move people from midnights to days to cover shortages so they cant even get time off in the summer. That is P.O.s screwing P.O.s
Wrong....when furlo picks are down there should be no open slots. Get the number of officers picking furlo, do your percentages, and in the end there should be no empty slots. If there is they are doing it wrong. In other words, if 300 people are picking furlos, you should have 600 split slots that equal 300 full furlo slots.....PERIOD. Commander has NO LEEWAY, do the calculations and thats it.
You have a great point although you are wrong. Read your contract section 23.2 and it clearly says commanders has that leeway. Evidence before you made this comment, you didn't read the contract. Smart move
It really is mind blowing how terrible cpd is. I only have 4 weeks before I start at my new department. Glad to be leaving, good luck to the fool's that stay.
Anonymous said...
furlos should be seniority by watch. Day people screw over the midnight kids and they then have to move people from midnights to days to cover shortages so they cant even get time off in the summer. That is P.O.s screwing P.O.s
10/27/2017 03:54:00 PM
YOU'RE A BUFFOON
Furlo should be picked by district not watch. You can't have 4 year wonders on midnights getting a better furlo than someone with 18 years on days. Its a ridiculous notion and just one more thing we can thank Dean "Asshole" Angelo for.
When I came on the job there were only 12 months and we went around the clock changing on the 1st of the month.
I don't remember what percentages were involved, but when you had no seniority a person usually would take a furlough based on when he was working midnights.
I know that I took January for several years until I was able to get something better, like March or April.
Wrong....when furlo picks are down there should be no open slots. Get the number of officers picking furlo, do your percentages, and in the end there should be no empty slots. If there is they are doing it wrong. In other words, if 300 people are picking furlos, you should have 600 split slots that equal 300 full furlo slots.....PERIOD. Commander has NO LEEWAY, do the calculations and thats it.
You have a great point although you are wrong. Read your contract section 23.2 and it clearly says commanders has that leeway. Evidence before you made this comment, you didn't read the contract. Smart move
I did read the contract, I don't know what your interpretation is, but any Commander cannot re-adjust percentage, and he cannot have more slots in Period 1 or 2. They must follow percentages. If there is something major going on like NATO, they can change, but it must be major. If the furlo picks are done right, when it's complete there are no empty slots anywhere.
YOU'RE A BUFFOON
Furlo should be picked by district not watch. You can't have 4 year wonders on midnights getting a better furlo than someone with 18 years on days. Its a ridiculous notion and just one more thing we can thank Dean "Asshole" Angelo for.
10/27/2017 08:25:00 PM
All you "day dogs" who want your cake and to eat it too need to just shut up and eat a d@ck!!!
Its smart management plain and simple. If you have a company that has different locations, you would have your employees lick their vacation as a whole and make people go to other locations because some old ass cry baby wants a better vacation...
Just keep bitching about it and show how childish you day dogs truly are.
If summer Furlo is that important to you, go to afternoons or midnights... If days is that important to you, suck it up and shut your mouth
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When I came on the job there were only 12 months and we went around the clock changing on the 1st of the month.
I don't remember what percentages were involved, but when you had no seniority a person usually would take a furlough based on when he was working midnights.
I know that I took January for several years until I was able to get something better, like March or April.
Just curious. When did you come on the job?
Anonymous said...
furlos should be seniority by watch. Day people screw over the midnight kids and they then have to move people from midnights to days to cover shortages so they cant even get time off in the summer. That is P.O.s screwing P.O.s
10/27/2017 03:54:00 PM
YOU'RE A BUFFOON
Furlo should be picked by district not watch. You can't have 4 year wonders on midnights getting a better furlo than someone with 18 years on days. Its a ridiculous notion and just one more thing we can thank Dean "Asshole" Angelo for.
10/27/2017 08:25:00 PM
Then work midnights if you're jealous of that furlough. Obviously your 18 years ain't shit on days, come back to me when you get a star and a bar.
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