Hold Out for Arbitration
Remember the last Contract we had? All the arbitration hearings? Does anyone remember what Arbitrator Benn said during the hearings that awarded the FOP paltry raises?
One of our e-mailers remembers it quite clearly:
One of our e-mailers remembers it quite clearly:
- “For example, during the next round of negotiations or any interest arbitration, the Lodge retains the right to argue that its members are entitled to above average or “catch up” wage increases to restore whatever differentials or rankings it believes have been compromised by this award or that the then current wage rates should be not considered the status quo given the unique circumstances of this case.”
The economy is on the cusp of a rather sizable and sustained expansion. This should be printed on the cover of every single binder the FOP brings to the negotiating table and if (when?) a stalemate is reached, on every binder present to the Arbitrator.
Plus, with all the crime being down, we certainly deserve a raise commensurate with our extraordinary efforts this year.
Homicides down 10%? Paycheck up 10%....minimum.
Plus, with all the crime being down, we certainly deserve a raise commensurate with our extraordinary efforts this year.
Homicides down 10%? Paycheck up 10%....minimum.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
122 Comments:
The crime down is a bit of a trick bag for Rahm. He knows it’s not, and he doesn’t want to give a raise. How will he, Adam and Giangreco spin it?
Fuck yourself, Rahm!
Rahm puts it out all the time crime is down....... Well we did a great job and we should be compensated for it.
Rahm goes out for a steak dinner downtown and leave no tip. That's what he thinks he can get away with on us and that's why we belong to a union. Rahm slave labor has been gone for well over a hundred years. You must give us a fair wage and stop with the pennies on a dollar wage you think you can give us. Short change Rahm.
plus street differential pay. period.
Totally agree. Let's vote Rahm out so we don't have to deal with his crooked deals!
Just keep the age 55 insurance deal at 2%.
A sign of crystal king’s incompetence: 6 sgts bid out. 4 on one watch. The lt’s would have bid out if they had the seniority. What a bafoon.
Good luck your new assignments.
"Homicides down 10%? Paycheck up 10%....minimum."
With the nation's nutjobs praying to their nutjob god for a recession, to give them something besides nutjob glob to fling at our President, so too shall our carpetbagger nutjob mayor, and his ilk, pray for an increase of local murders, were such a condition be imposed upon the tax funded largesse. (That's, huge bucket of tax dollars to be scammed, for those whose no speaka da largesse....)
Oh I remember. It’s time to finally get compensated for all the years of short changing the police while nickel and diming them and DRASTICALLY raising the cost of living while forcing residency. Our raises have been next to nothing over the last 15 years! Their excuse was always that the economy was bad.
3 year contract with a 15% raise or a 4 year contract at 16%.
Wasn't that the norm just a few contracts ago.
If we have to settle for another 5 year contract when deserve at least a 20% raise!
I think that rat Daley screwed us the last time and took the 16% off the table once he knew the fix was in place.
When is FOP, or the PB&PA going to ask for arbitration? The PB&PA contract expired a year before the FOP contract. Has the PB&PA or FOP reached a negotiations stalemate with the city? Also, what are the unions and the city proposals? The public and the union members have a right to know about the proposals!
It’s a very interesting read. Benn went on for pages and pages explaining how crappy the economy was and how he wasn’t going to use the regular formulas to determine our raises but we would be entitled to make up the loss in the future. Here is the link to the document, I think it starts around 20 pages in.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5516f090e4b01b711314608f/t/552ddc8ce4b0c834b62d9c68/1429068940850/interest_arb_award_04162010.pdf
Whether this current piece of caca gets reelected mayor, is replaced by an even more nasty piece of caca or, miracle of miracles, an actual not quite a piece of caca manages to be our next mayor, all eventualities support the arbitration process as being the most effective at a substantially desirable outcome.
Nothing, or less than nothing, is what the present putz is committed to; amongst the various riff raff candidates being touted, (less than nothing would be better than what they have in mind), and, the few to single not a total asshole candidate(s) would be benefitted by seeming to be compelled by the arbitration conclusion to do what he/she may well want to do anyway.
So, another spot on analysis for SCC.
(No, if it feels like your balls are being licked, it ain't by me. Just stating the facts, Ma'am....)
With the consent decree looming why doesn't the lodge go straight to arbitration?
EEOC complaint filed in GAng Inv at Homan . People going to have some explaining to do. Source downtown says someone going to take a big hit on this one. About time guys at Homan are held responsible for their actions.
Stop worrying about the dollars and worry more about him wiggling out of health care.
Unarmed linemen and streetlight repairman make $50.50 per hour. Pull off job if gangbangers present. No college required. FOP should ask for same.
100% true. I remember reading this years ago. The wording is correct. But instead we will have another membership of idiots that are so broke they will agree to any shitty amount of a retro check instead of waiting for arbitration which would gain much more. They are so short sided these guys. Wake up, LETS GO TO ARBITRATION this time!!!!!!!!
Don’t forget make sure the pension is properly funded and “ramped up” payments, because before you know it retirement comes!
Fetal = no income for the city = little or no increase for Police = pissed off cops = little or no income for city. On and on it goes when will it stop, nobody knows .
Homicides down 10%? Paycheck up 10%....minimum.
Three dollars a collar just like the old west...
I can hear Rahm laughing his evil laugh now.
Who you guys kidding. 2% raises is all we'll get.
Remember, corporations don't pay taxes. The customer does. Just like the City of Chicago doesn't pay CPD raises. The taxpayer does! I can't afford anymore!
Wages are important, but don't forget about NOT losing job protections already in the contract. Money is NOT the only thing to focus on. Coppers are so focused on money.
Take the money are run 20 and out you will lov it
If you think that we are not going to get sold out like past years..... you’re fucking crazy !!!!! You will get nothing an like it . The FOOP HAS IT ALREADY DONE... more golf outings for them and shit for you
Haha you funny, SCC. If wages to up, pensions go up. And They won't let that happen.
or just say we want to be paid like firemen
Austin Tx PD had BLM protest their contract. Watch the Cook County Democrat Machine pull the same stunt here. That GAPA group comes to mind.
https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2017-11-10/activists-out-to-derail-police-contract/
Commissioners did hear a briefing from Labor Relations staff, including the agreed-to measures that originated through community input. A coalition of groups spent the full summer in the ears of council members and city negotiators ("180 Days Later," Sept. 15), and some of their goals did make it into the final agreement. But activists maintain the union's concessions are not enough, and have been calling for Council to send terms back to the table, or to scrap the union's contract entirely. Monday's meeting presented their first formal opportunity.
Don’t expect any contract talks anytime soon. Probably out 2+ years as of now, until the lawsuit goes to court .
Having made replacement of rolling stock (patrol cars etc.) a "benefit" to be negotiated maybe the FOP can go for fuel for them, or paper for copy machines subject to negotiations too?
F-in morons
(OT) Rahm keeps baiting and tempting the bear:
Morning Spin: Emanuel offers to pay for Jeff Sessions to visit Ellis Island
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-rahm-emanuel-jeff-sessions-20180612-story.html
Keep pushing that false narrative mayor, keep breaking federal laws, we all know the bear is watching its cub, being fed, but you keep putting that bait out and daring the bear, you reap what you sow and will sow what you reap!
I want a front loaded contract for a change. The raises always are phased in. Forget that.
Benn was the same guy who stated that during tough financial times, he doesn't like long term contracts. He then changed our contract from a 4 year period to a 5. Wtf
Whatever they do please eliminate furlough by watch and for young guys compression of wages must be in there.
Keep in mind that you are preaching to a group of short sighted coppers who sold out for 1 year salary only retro pay that the city dangled in front of everyone while they raped us everywhere else. The same coppers were willing to sell out their future "brothers" (duty availability) and sell complete control over their insurance among other losses in the last contract for a pittance. The city already knows the formula. Smear, cry poor, divide, bribe, and conquer. Then they wait until the following contract to exploit all the doors that they opened while the coppers were distracted with whatever they enticed them with (retro they were not obligated to pay).
There is a reason that checkers is a kids game and chess is for adults. Quit playing checkers with our contracts and don't be so shortsighted and selfish. It will pay off in the long run.
Remember ....Dr. Dean Angelo Sr. PhD pleaded for everyone to vote "Tes" for the caca contract.
Remember .....Dr. Dean Angelo Sr. PhD now has a son that has been awarded a Detective spot.
Always remember......
The Rahmenstein monster is boxed in by his anti-police lobby. BLM wants a seat at the negotiations but puts no skin (money) in the game.
All the anti-police crowd wants is a reduction in our legal protection. This is media driven.
Police work has always had legal risks. To even consider any reduction in legal protection in this media climate is ridiculous.
Strip away the legal protection and if you think the police are fetal now, wait.
Don't hold your breath. Nothing is going to be done until the mid term elections have come and gone. If the Democrats do good, Rahms offer will be a 5 year contract with a total raise of 6%. The cost of living will then rise to basically snuff out any gains of a raise.
arbitrator benn has also said it's ok for fire dept inspectors to lie about their time as the system of cheating is so ingrained they don't know what is right or wrong. how did that f*ckstick get that gig??
“Just keep the age 55 insurance deal at 2%.”
Please don’t negotiate anything on your own!!! Small brain = small thinking
Make a BFD equal to a tour of duty if used and 8 hours if sold back, just like sgts have in their contract. Right now you have to add .5 hours of comp time when you use a BFD.
Duty availability is going to disappear. Used to be 1st watch was short in beginning of year and 2nd watch short during summer and xmas because of furloughs, so watches had to detail people to different watches to bring up manpower. Watches no longer have this problem due to furlough picks by watch.
Duty availability will only be offered/given to special units (gun teams, etc) and tact since they only change watches now.
FOP must post all the full duty sworn police officers ,supervisors that are assigned to clerical Inside office at districts ,headquarters and Homan Square . Many of these positions are not authorized. FOP must demand these officers are put back in a beat car or make the hidden,political inside jobs open for bid . Why are old timers working a bear car , while Merit exempts ,Alderman have officers assigned to office duty . Do your job FOP.time to play hard ball .
I’ll take 16% over 4 years .
Hey I’m getting close to 60. Raise mandatory retirement age to 66 . It’s a win,win for city and old timers that want to stay a few more years .
Ask for a pensionable shift differential for the first and third watch .
Give up uniform allowance $1800 for a pensionable $1500 a year raise .
In the long run the $1500 will be a benefit when it’s time to retire.
Offer a 10 hour work schedule , power cars 1000-1800 hrs & 1900-0500hrs make it 1car per sector .
Remember kids: "[The] function of interest arbitration, as opposed to . . . grievance arbitration, [is] actual avoidance of any gain on the part of either party that could not have been achieved through the normal course of collective bargaining.”
If it will be arbitration... and it will be arbitration... again... as always... then let's do it sooner than later. Let's get our contract settled, let's move forward instead of letting the city hold onto our money for extra years!!! Let's get it done FOP & PBPA!!! Let's get it done over the heat of the summer, the busy detail season and the busier shooting season!!!
Isn’t the union still trying to sort out their role in the local consent decree? I don’t think they’ve really been began discussions on the new contract, and will Rahm even want to begin negotiations before the elections? I don’t think we see a retro check until 2021.
No time due and cancelled days off. That is what is happaning NOW! Get our contract settled NOW! Not maybe next Spring after the elections!
Why not just introduce a "security" or "protection" TAX on all the residents of Chicago...maybe $500.00 per person....that MUST be paid or that resident will be escorted to the city border and KICKED OUT. Then just give that money to the police UNION. Lets say Chicago population is about 2.5 million....well you do the math. It still wouldn't be enough. It never is. Never. Never. Never. Now I have to go open a can of cheap cat food and have breakfast. Serve and Protect. I am laughing.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It’s a very interesting read. Benn went on for pages and pages explaining how crappy the economy was and how he wasn’t going to use the regular formulas to determine our raises but we would be entitled to make up the loss in the future. Here is the link to the document, I think it starts around 20 pages in.
Pure BS. IF Benn felt we were entitled to a better raise, he should have given us one. All he did was kick the cab down the road and drop it in the next arbitrators lap. Sound familiar. Why would the next arbitrator feel obligated to pay any attention to that paragraph. An arbitrator won’t give a fair raise, but then tells you to do it the next contract. Ridiculous
Also I doubt Benn will be the arbitrator for this contract after that paragraph. In fact I’m sure he would be the first the city would disqualify
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When is FOP, or the PB&PA going to ask for arbitration? The PB&PA contract expired a year before the FOP contract. Has the PB&PA or FOP reached a negotiations stalemate with the city? Also, what are the unions and the city proposals? The public and the union members have a right to know about the proposals!
It’s a game. Labor law dictates you have to go through a process before you can ask for arbitration. The city stalls and drags it out and until you can show the city is not negotiating in good faith you can not ask for arbitration. If we go to arbitration, the contract won’t be signed for 2 more years. Been through the process too many times before
You are right you do have a right to know about the negotiations. So try showing up at a meeting. UPdates are given each meeting.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Totally agree. Let's vote Rahm out so we don't have to deal with his crooked deals!
6/13/2018 12:17:00 AM
You think that’s going to make a difference. Been through to many negotiations to believe that. His opponents all make promises and once they win, things change when they have to pay the bills. Excuses usually start with I didn’t realize what shape the city was in, etc
Anonymous Anonymous said...
plus street differential pay. period.
Dreamer, will never happen. If by a miracle it did, the house nice would be carried on a car or post and still work inside. Bosses would see to that
The cost of living in Chicago has increased tremendously...with all the little taxes and fees that Rahm sneaks in and no one really says anything .
I remember that everyone else got their big raises and when it was our turn , the city dragged their feet and the economy took a dump. After going to arbitration, the arbitrator said the economy thing. We essentially got screwed because of the “economy “ excuse. Dow is a record highs and economy is doing great.
You guys are funny
8% over 4 years if we are lucky
The Benn arbitration was terrible. We received nothing, and the argument cited the conditions of a Rockford truck driver as an equivalency of a cpd patrolman. Worst negotiation we ever did. Ended the Donahue team, opened the door for Shields. This will be a good test for Graham. When Angelo negotiated for new squad cars, that was the beginning king of the end for him and his son as well. These poor contracts have huge implication on future earnings and pensions. 3 percent, 4 percent, 5 percent, for someone with less than ten years on is huge. Do the math. Too much at stake to listen to bull shit. Something worth fighting for.
The city is all but broke. If they give raises to police they will have to pretty much give them across the board to other employees. the city budget document suggest that the total payroll for the city is about $3.25 billion. If they give everyone a 5% raise for each of the next three years that would amount to about $300 million.
Just where do you think that money would come from, especially with the pension issues the city needs to deal with.
If the city is going to pay out $16 million for a granny who got killed by a cop unintentionally, how much are they going to have to pay out for a crap load of people who are going to be let out of jail in the next few years on wrongful conviction beefs? maybe they are not dead but it won't be zero. maybe $5 million each? That's a lot of millions by itself.
Oh I remember. It’s time to finally get compensated for all the years of short changing the police while nickel and diming them and DRASTICALLY raising the cost of living while forcing residency. Our raises have been next to nothing over the last 15 years! Their excuse was always that the economy was bad.
6/13/2018 12:47:00 AM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but dosent new York have no residency due to the cost of living in the city ! Should be the same here !
Big #metoo beef headed towards a longtime Exempt. Oppa!
A sign of crystal king’s incompetence: 6 sgts bid out. 4 on one watch. The lt’s would have bid out if they had the seniority. What a bafoon.
Hope the new sergeants are ready to fill those vacancies!
When is FOP, or the PB&PA going to ask for arbitration? The PB&PA contract expired a year before the FOP contract. Has the PB&PA or FOP reached a negotiations stalemate with the city? Also, what are the unions and the city proposals? The public and the union members have a right to know about the proposals!
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NEVER have the unions or city agreed to discuss proposals publicly.
Just take it easy and take it S-L-O-W !
The contracts that we have in place now will be better than the next set of contracts.
I for one hope the damn process takes 3 to 4 more years.
The city wants MAJOR increases in healthcare.
Get a life, 10 per cent will never happen. The last bit raise came from Jane Byrne. She truly liked us. The city will wave 4 percent over 4 years and coppers will jump at a back pay check. Fight for medical benefits and job protection from the bullshit COPA. BE SMART, A LITTLE 40 DOLLAR A CHECK RAISE AINT SQUAT.
OT:
The Illinois State Rifle Association is pleased to announce the issuing of a Temporary Restraining Order preventing Deerfield Illinois from enforcing their anti-gun ordinance. We will now seek a permanent injunction.
(OT) next city council meeting this will be the new appointed by rahm 23rd ward alderman, Hispanic to appease the Hispanic community to get more votes Silvana Tabares
http://ilhousedems.com/project/rep-silvana-tabares-2/
But look at what she is backing which is excellent move for police:
Tabares Backs Legislation to Provide Tax Relief to First Responders Injured in Duty
May 24, 2018 | Tabares
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. – State Rep. Silvana Tabares, D-Chicago, is supporting legislation that would provide new property tax relief for police officers and firefighters who suffered a serious injury in the line of duty, and for the families of first responders killed serving our community
*Looked at her record maybe we will finally have active alderman to get things done! Now let's keep replacing Archer Ave business strip looks like shit, hopefully she will be the nucleus to get things done!
Do you really think an arbitrator is going to stop Rahm from shoving the corncob up our collective asses?
Time to realize that private sector people are getting 3% or less and spent many years not getting raises. Those are the people packing up and leaving because they are tired of getting nickled and dimed to death. Police have a hard job but remember to figure in all the benefits before you start complaining about a 4% raise.
The Contract once again comes down to the Election wire.
Shortshanks mastered the Contract bait & switch negotiation, having wage or retro matters resolved in the year leading up to an election or major city event.
The FakeNews headline: Cash strapped Chicago mayor Rahm announces impressive 10% pay raise for Police...and they balk !
(Edited fine print: over ten years with concessions to rewrite Dept Disciplinary rules)
Rahm doesn’t care for the police family vote and he will not get it in the 41st Ward, in 2015 he only got 8500 (est.) the lowest from a white plurality Ward.
Rahm won’t get 50% of the vote citywide to avoid runoff with the current slew of contenders.
The RottenWeasel will try to persuade the fence sitters with a long stick and a short carrot AFTER the Primary.
Retroactive pay and a letter of agreement, but mostly lump sums is the usual bill of fare.
Team Rahm is crunching vote numbers and conducting polls.
Anything favoring the Police is not on the docket.
If he’s going to toss us something, it will be minuscule in comparison to Sanctuary benefits he’s already doled out and then there’s preplanned community millions yet to be announced.
I believe Benn used the same arguement and conclusion on both of the prior contracts. Trying to dig it up but I remember the economy excuse followed by wait till next contract decision given.
City is asking for a big time raise in health care contributions in fire negotiations. Why the fireman are even talking to the city when it was agreed upon that FOP would go first?! Health care and discipline....then pay check. City benefits used to be the best....now they suck.
Happy Birthday, Mr. President!
Tomorrow (Thursday, June 14) is Flag Day and President Trump's 72nd birthday.
The city knows very well that if they offer money up front in the form of non-pensionable bonus such as duty availability, the junior members of the department will go for it. It is a short sighted move on the part of the younger officers, but they want the money in the here and now. There actually are police departments out there where officers can be fired by the chief. The liberal media want that here as well as terrorists groups such as BLM. Be careful.The city has violated a major part of past contracts with no penalty ( destroying all internal investigative files after five years). Now the media use these old records to bash every cop
A few things here: in the past 12 years what has FOP and PBPA done for us, we lost retiree
healthcare, but you u have to be 55 to get it but if you got 20 yrs and came
at 35 you get it after just doing 20. It you came on younger your forced to stay and pay more
after maxing out. We lost our due process, and haven't gotten a real raise that didn't go to increased
fees and health premiums. Our job protections are waning fast and we can't use our earned
time to take a day off. We are severely understaffed which means we are covering more area to patrol.
Lastly has anyone heard that CFD paramedics get health insurance at 53 instead of 55? If true what about the
Me Too clause??? Just asking....
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Whatever they do please eliminate furlough by watch and for young guys compression of wages must be in there.
6/13/2018 08:05:00 AM
Not gonna happen.
getting the right to live outside the city is probably worth a lot more than any raise. Offer no raise but the city gives up residency.
Homicides down 10%? Paycheck up 10%....minimum.
Three dollars a collar just like the old west...
*****
It aint the 1990’s where 20 bucks got ya a full cart of groceries and a tank of gas. Com on guy, $3? You must be retired 20 plus years. In chicago $3 wont even get you an ass woopin.
I’m in no hurry. Let it go 2 more years so I can get out of dodge with 2% insurance. In the meantime , I need some knee and hip work done.
The 2nd district King only takes care of her Noble People. The rest are Peasants. Follow the Supervisor-Positions and its Crystal Clear, says the Smith.
Off subject: 5 June gun buy back issue.
Found out COPA would not take a report because Sgt is a supervisor. IAD has started investigation. It is being pursued.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ask for a pensionable shift differential for the first and third watch .
Give up uniform allowance $1800 for a pensionable $1500 a year raise .
In the long run the $1500 will be a benefit when it’s time to retire.
Offer a 10 hour work schedule , power cars 1000-1800 hrs & 1900-0500hrs make it 1car per sector .
6/13/2018 10:17:00
Um terrible idea. I enjoy my duty availability, uniform allowance and getting home at 1415 everyday. How about furlough by district?? Some new Jack on 1st watch doesn't deserve a 7b/13b just because he is on 1st watch. We all paid our dues, suck it up and get some time on before those summer furloughs kick in.
765B
Why is there no Class Action Lawsuit against the City for stealing the contractual agreement of the 25 WORKING DAY Furloughs from Veterans and making us burn OUR time for furloughs? If a working day requires you to be at work for a set amount of hours(9) why aren't we given the 25 WORKING DAYS instead the city steals a 1/2 hour from its veterans.The city blatantly steals hours from Veterans and the F.O.P. is silent. If a working day is 9 hours then the city owes us all a 1/2 hour they have stolen over the years for our furloughs or pay us for the 1/2 hour we are here. You can't have it both ways.
Can we get some officers to stop by the court room please. The turnout and stop ins by officers has been terrible and I feel horrible for the family.......I know it’s not because our officers don’t care, it’s because the information has not been provided about the court dates. Please stop in if you can, even for just a moment.
Never Forget" Officers William Fahey and Richard O'Brien....
Help us support the families of fallen Chicago Police Officers William Fahey and Richard O'Brien. Attend the court hearing where convicted cop killer Jackie Wilson will request a new trial tomorrow, Thursday, June 14th at 9:30 am in Judge Hooks' courtroom, No. 301, at the Leighton Courthouse located at 2650 South California Avenue. Read impassioned letters from Officer Fahey's family here:
How about We The People decide to handle Police Pay more like we do for Mechanics and Cars.
When cops FIX the problem, we pay the bill, when the problem persists, we don't.
Cops working on a commission type basis, where "clearing" actually matters.
How about we end the petty revenue generating FINES and FEES that serve no more than to pad politicians slush funds - Lord KNOWS the COPS aren't getting that loot anyways even though you cops are taking the HEAT for handing those "citations" out in the first place!
Of course, Police will have to have a balancing accounting measure when "folks" refuse to participate with knowledge that STOPS cased from being cleared. THis SHALL then count for the cops PAY as if it IS cleared! See, it really IS technically cleared when we KNOW that the "folks" involved know EXACTLY who did what to whom but won't spill the beaners to the p0lice! A Cop should not suffer the foolishness of abject idiots.
Good cops will make more, because they are earning more. That is how it should be.
Meanwhile, House Mouse Soakers can make their paltry base, mostly right at minimum wage, like dishwashers who don't get a TipShare.
One more thing. Our Military has various grades of pay for those deployed in, stationed in and operating in special circumstances. Hazard pay. Special Danger pay. Designate certain areas much as we do now, ummmm No Go Zones possibly, and assign shift differentials for them for all who operate in them. Of course this would be subject to Seniority Rules.
We are entering a time where the dead weight can no longer be carried onward without consequence. Yes it really is true. Eventually ya really do run out of other people's money to spend. Chicago, Cook County, Mike Mad Again and Rahm himself have literally bled the turnip dry.
If those who EARN t heir way want to be paid, you are gonna have to cut the dead weight from your ranks. One way or the other. We The People simply do not have any more to give. We already are Taxed Too Much!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Duty availability is going to disappear. Used to be 1st watch was short in beginning of year and 2nd watch short during summer and xmas because of furloughs, so watches had to detail people to different watches to bring up manpower. Watches no longer have this problem due to furlough picks by watch.
Duty availability will only be offered/given to special units (gun teams, etc) and tact since they only change watches now.
6/13/2018 10:12:00 AM
No its not.
The city cannot just do away with whatever they want.
Also, duty availability came to be about 25 years ago in lieu of a raise because it wasn't pensionable. It was the city's way of avoiding a raise.
It's not going anywhere
Good luck with your new Lt 012...make sure you know your orders because they will be quoted...
6/13/2018 12:47:00 AM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but dosent new York have no residency due to the cost of living in the city ! Should be the same here !
6/13/2018 11:59:00 AM
Doesn’t New York have a better pension and more police. Correct me if I’m wrong shouldn’t that be the same here
I wouldn’t be in a rush to get a new contract - right now you are all protected under old contract . They want to get rid of college reimbursement . They want to get rid of the signed affidavits for complaints . They want to get rid of the contractual punishment agreements . So don’t let them dangle large pay increases as a price in Lou to take away other contractual rights that we have fought for for many years to obtain . However the 3 year wonders will all vote for the money and screw the majority out of the rights that our fathers have fought for before . Why hasn’t the union taken on the civil suit of residency in behalf of all the members? It’s a winnable lawsuit look at all the major cities in America and smaller ones too that do not have a residency requirement . If your concerned about in crease in pay and not focused on other rights they want to take away then make it more affordable to be a cop and live outside the city !
Teamsters
Heard a little buzz about the detectives looking for a separate union, any truth to that?
I'm sorry, but the Nine and a Half Digit Midget will try to screw you. Your union and the firefighters union should provide postage paid postcard addressed to your local alderman and state legislators to all sworn personnel, their spouses, adult children and in laws. Put the fear of unemployment into them.
Mike the cityworker.
Bully the politicians, knock stuff out of their hands, step on the back of their shoes. Channel your inner Eddie Haskells. Hairgels, look it up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FOP must post all the full duty sworn police officers ,supervisors that are assigned to clerical Inside office at districts ,headquarters and Homan Square . Many of these positions are not authorized. FOP must demand these officers are put back in a beat car or make the hidden,political inside jobs open for bid . Why are old timers working a bear car , while Merit exempts ,Alderman have officers assigned to office duty . Do your job FOP.time to play hard ball .
I’ll take 16% over 4 years .
Hey I’m getting close to 60. Raise mandatory retirement age to 66 . It’s a win,win for city and old timers that want to stay a few more years .
6/13/2018 10:13:00 AM
Why would the city want your old saggy ass making $100k sticking around for three additional years? They want you to retire and then they’ll someone that reflects the community for considerably less. The odds are that they’ll work harder than a 65 year old officer as well.
We have just been taxed out of our deceased parents property, forced to sell. After many appeals, we got hit with 12,000+ taxes per year. City initially wanted $16,000(appealed that). Cant wait to leave Crook County....
FOP is in Rahms pocket, plain and simple.
"Um terrible idea. I enjoy my duty availability, uniform allowance and getting home at 1415 everyday. How about furlough by district?? Some new Jack on 1st watch doesn't deserve a 7b/13b just because he is on 1st watch. We all paid our dues, suck it up and get some time on before those summer furloughs kick in.
765B"
You want a guaranteed 7b/13b old-timer? Go to 1st watch then.
New York promotes by actual placement for the most part( they keep the list up). Shitcago, considering clout, officer's given answers, and meritorious crap. The difference is CPD gets rid of the list after a couple years historically (anyone under 300 without clout, BYE BYE) in an effort to promote the inept. NY keeps the list going.
Let’s not forget IF there is a casino built in Chicago , profits would go towards the police pension fund. Wtf! Oh and we get cars
City is asking for a big time raise in health care contributions in fire negotiations. Why the fireman are even talking to the city when it was agreed upon that FOP would go first?! Health care and discipline....then pay check. City benefits used to be the best....now they suck.
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LOL when has CFD ever cared about anyone but themselves? The city probaby understands if they negotiate increase in health care contributions and salary with CFD first, there's no need to bother talking about the issue with CPD because an arbitrator will just cut and paste everything over to us.
I'm hearing health contributions will gradually increase, just as well all predicted: 2, 2.5, 3, depending on the length on the contract.
Cutting duty and uniform because they're not used for what the have says should never happen.. cfd gets Daley days, yet he's been long gone. It's a contractual agreement to pay us more in a way that they are not on the hook for pension contributions or "me too" raises.
All the old timers want to keep residency so they can force newer hires to buy their overpriced homes. Baby boomers: take the hit on the house and make this job better for the next generation.
Be careful what you wish for! If City Hall dumps the residency requirement, why not lower pay also?
Thanks DEAN for the CASINO...
Tell your son to start clearing cases he seems to have all his offenders lawyer up???
TALENT with a college degree.
WHole bunch of you AINT been to an FOP meeting in a lonnnnng time.
I AINT saying they the smartest bunch of patrolman but they are trying.
I feel kinda sorry for them many of them should not be where they are.
I WONT name them because if you listen to them at an FOP meeting you will know.
Expect a half ass contract with the City gaining the ability to FIRE your ass in a heart beat.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Heard a little buzz about the detectives looking for a separate union, any truth to that?
6/13/2018 09:17:00 PM
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Hope not. What the hell would be the reasoning for that? - a Det.
Why is everyone saying that duty availability is not pensionable....it is...it happened about 18 yrs ago...i remember coppers bitching because they got about 60 dollars less because of the pension deduction....check your paycheck
My neighbor is a fireman,city offered them 2% raises per yr for 5 yr deal plus huge increases in healthcare!!
Baby Boomers take the hit on the house and make this job better for the next generation.
6/14/2018 05:10:00 AM
You are quite humorous. Yeah, I'll take the hit for you. Like never.
Be careful what you wish for! If City Hall dumps the residency requirement, why not lower pay also?
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Why does it have to be one or the other? Besides, you mean like a 1-2% raise? Oh wait, that’s what we’ve had for years. Pay attentio. The city has been lowering the pay. Taking duty availability away from PPOs. Wait, they don’t work odd shifts, holidays, have restricted time or cancelled RDOs for summer Funnin’, do they? Isn’t that the whole point of duty availability pay? There’s talk about taking away uniform allowance. Didn’t we just have new vehicles worked into our contract? Think about how fucked is that is. We’re essentially paying for our own vehicles because we’re sacrificing making more. Isn’t city requiring retirees to pay more for their health insurance? The tier-2 pension requires POs to work longer for less. So, I’m effect, it seems to me the city has been lowering the pay.
At the end of the day, this city has screwed the police so many times that we’ve turned into the fetal police they’ve been demanding. As a result, fair is fair. I’ll take my pay and not do any proactive policing. Only the bare minimum.
Anonymous said...
Be careful what you wish for! If City Hall dumps the residency requirement, why not lower pay also?
6/14/2018 05:19:00 AM
This has been tried so many times, it will never change,look at other issues! Watching fire negotiations expect your medical premiums to skyrocket,and the 6-2 schedule will be back before that! The 55 and out will be eliminated, no insurance at all for retirees watch how evil rahm works!
No one really mentioned this but since new recruits are on the second tier pension, they are capped off at about 105k that is pensionable. Shouldn't we at least get a bigger raise now since coppers will be making less from their pensions in the future?
I wouldn’t be in a rush to get a new contract - right now you are all protected under old contract . They want to get rid of college reimbursement . They want to get rid of the signed affidavits for complaints . They want to get rid of the contractual punishment agreements . So don’t let them dangle large pay increases as a price in Lou to take away other contractual rights that we have fought for for many years to obtain . However the 3 year wonders will all vote for the money and screw the majority out of the rights that our fathers have fought for before . Why hasn’t the union taken on the civil suit of residency in behalf of all the members? It’s a winnable lawsuit look at all the major cities in America and smaller ones too that do not have a residency requirement . If your concerned about in crease in pay and not focused on other rights they want to take away then make it more affordable to be a cop and live outside the city !
Just like 3 year wonders voted to get rid of duty availability and decrease tuition reimbursement. Last I recall it was the Dino the dinasaur and crew screwing over young coppers
I saw it in print that duty availability was pensionable. Many people think it’s not or guess that it’s not. I’m too lazy to look it up.
Okay fine I’m not that lazy here’s link showing duty avail is pensionable. I saw it else where too
http://www.chipabf.org/ChicagoPolicePension/PDF/PreRetire.pps
Time to realize that private sector people are getting 3% or less and spent many years not getting raises. Those are the people packing up and leaving because they are tired of getting nickled and dimed to death. Police have a hard job but remember to figure in all the benefits before you start complaining about a 4% raise.
Love how they always bring up the private sector. OK lets go there. U don t have to live in the city. Which means you don t have to send ur kids to private school which cost around $14 k now a days. U get ur social security where as we lost almost all of it even though we had our hrs. Most companies have matching 401k s, which is like getting a pension but they don t steal it . U do something wrong u won t lose your house or end up in jail. And most important, everyday you go to work you don t have to think that it might be your last on this earth.And by the way, we pay taxes too u asshat.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I saw it in print that duty availability was pensionable. Many people think it’s not or guess that it’s not. I’m too lazy to look it up.
6/14/2018 06:28:00 PM
Who cares about them. If they are too lazy to look it up and believe it’s not pensionable let them believe it
I’m a retiree and my pension check says it’s oensionable
I wouldn’t be in a rush to get a new contract - right now you are all protected under old contract . They want to get rid of college reimbursement . They want to get rid of the signed affidavits for complaints . They want to get rid of the contractual punishment agreements . So don’t let them dangle large pay increases as a price in Lou to take away other contractual rights that we have fought for for many years to obtain . However the 3 year wonders will all vote for the money and screw the majority out of the rights that our fathers have fought for before . Why hasn’t the union taken on the civil suit of residency in behalf of all the members? It’s a winnable lawsuit look at all the major cities in America and smaller ones too that do not have a residency requirement . If your concerned about in crease in pay and not focused on other rights they want to take away then make it more affordable to be a cop and live outside the city !
Residency is challenged I. The state courts. That’s how all the other cities won. No way the Illinois Supreme Court approves it. Look what happened when the retiree health care case came before them. They just refused to hear it without comment although in 2014 they heard a similar if not an exact case for retire health care for state employees and ruled in their favor
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I saw it in print that duty availability was pensionable. Many people think it’s not or guess that it’s not. I’m too lazy to look it up.
6/14/2018 06:28:00 PM
When duty availability first came about, it wasn't pensionable.
Now it is
Um terrible idea. I enjoy my duty availability, uniform allowance and getting home at 1415 everyday. How about furlough by district?? Some new Jack on 1st watch doesn't deserve a 7b/13b just because he is on 1st watch. We all paid our dues, suck it up and get some time on before those summer furloughs kick in.
765B
Go to first watch then douchebag
VOTE NO to any kind of concession look into how much money goes into TIF Districts!
Anonymous said...
No one really mentioned this but since new recruits are on the second tier pension, they are capped off at about 105k that is pensionable. Shouldn't we at least get a bigger raise now since coppers will be making less from their pensions in the future?
6/14/2018 10:07:00 AM
No two tier pensions or pay scale creates resentment working next to someone who gets better benefits doing the same job stop thinking about yourself.
Union needs to get us back into social security if all these pension funds going bankrupt?
You guys don't realize how bad it is in the private sector over 2/3 of jobs pay less than $20hr.
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