Shotspotter Fail
Word from the west side:
- The shooting you referenced at Homan and Walnut in tonight's posting - where up to three offenders used numerous weapons to shoot six people including a 5 year old - cops recovered 15 or 20 shell casings and might have missed a bunch more in the dark. Shotspotter didn't even get a single gunshot detection. Homan and Walnut has been the location of a fixed post for three or four months, the 011th district is covered in wall to wall gunshot detectors that Rahm spent millions on, and the entire system failed. Not that it would have stopped anything but the word I got from the people manning the nerve center is there's still something like a 30% to 50% failure rate on picking up gunshots, especially from cars.
Great use of tax dollars once again Rahm.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 2:01 AM
61 Comments:
Even so Rahm and Special Ed are the biggest problem. The failure of CPD is squarely on their shoulders. For the most part Shotspotter is a good tool. For the most part if nobody is shot the public is so tone deaf they figure it’s not in issue. I can’t tell you how many times the shotspotter picked up where the shooter was and no calls to 911 occurred.
Shotspotter works great in our district. A lot of firearns recovered from officers responding to the scene quickly.
You know it's not the worse investment considering it prompts the need for more higher quality pods. Shot spotter helped me get a gun out of what I would normally have considered a bs domestic call. Been a believer since then haha that said Rahm still sucks
The technology is amazing; our officers will be dispatched to a shotspotter alert and sure enough shell casings are located at that expect location. When it’s used in conjunction with a nearby POD cameras the info is really invaluable.
The info I’ve heard is Shotspotter has something activated that automatically suppresses fireworks, likely due to the large amount around the holiday. The gunfire is automatically grouped in on occasion. Before this, it was easily 90%+ accurate. I know we’re quick to criticize crime fighting efforts from the city, but honestly; this one is actually worth the money.
- 11th District Sgt
Don't make fun of the SHOT-SPOTTER for the west side; it's for the children. I now pay $1,500.00 a month for my HEALTH INSURANCE to keep Fillmore safe by having a computer count the gun flashes or gun sounds throughout the west side. thank you to all the liberal, democratic, crooked politicians that make shitcago such a shithole.
Everything Ding Dong spends money on is a failure..Lets let channel 7 investigative reporters tell our great citizens why this is more wasted tax payer money and find out WHY this system doesnt work,,,even though Fat Ed and his Boss will say otherwise. Nothing but lies from HQ..just like crime numbers are down....yea right. Remember, elections are coming up more and more lies coming out soon.
And yet these Lemmings are in awe of the fucking thing, which we've had for many years.
Remember the narrative, "crime is down due to technology".
The Army tried the shot spotter in Iraq and found it was unreliable.
That money could have gone to the pensions....
Another day another failure of our mayor making the right decisions, from the Chicago public schools sexual assault scandals of the children, to the O’Hare people mover project that is a total failure, to what he is going to the police retirees taking away their healthcare, to doing big shorts on the Police Pension’s system, Using multi millions and taxpayers money for the D Paul stadium, then going to give Barry for his pathetic library which is not needed here at all which will be an eyesore $200 million plus in taxpayer money remember it was supposed to be all find it privately even a private people don’t want to give them any money they know what a waste it is!
Someone needs to get fired for this, lives are lost, young innocent lives. But nothing will happen. Rahm is too busy collecting campaign cash to care. And the media is complicit.
Why am I not surprised?
https://youtu.be/g_rWja1Xiu8
SchartSplasher is doing quite well, but to iron out all the kinks it needs a 50 million dollar fine-tuning and all will be wonderful! Send the money to Dumbledoof Lewin at Hogwarts Fantasy Techno Lab.
Well, only like 10% of murders are cleared, yet we still have detectives. Should we get rid of those? I don't think so.
Where's the drones? We need drones to fly into the detected area.
Here are some simple questions:
1) how many shootings have the shot spotter prevented?
2) how many offenders have been apprehended due to the shot spotter?
3) Is the clearance rate for himicides going up due to the shit spotter?
Answers:
1) Undetermined (I highly doubt it)
2) I haven’t heard of any, but there might be a few
3). No
Maybe the system is "alogorithymed" during the 4th of July week.
"Alogorithymed" basically means turned off.
America
Lol I work on the west side. Shotspotters don’t catch half the shootings. People still call in shots fired calls.. it is a huge waste of money.
My partner tells me he survived the "Battle of Homan and Walnut" years ago. I was lucky every time I traveled through there it was a DMZ....hostile, but a DMZ.
That is why I must pay for my health insurance and loose half of my SS
Insurance cost $1,250.00 per month
Who needs shotspotter ride with your windows down. Is it good technology yeah sure but I hear different people coming on zones after shots fired calls ‘no shotspotter hits’ that doesn’t mean there wasn’t a shooting. Like the main post says what if the guy was fired from inside a vehicle. Just like goofs who would say after a shots fired call ‘I’m right here I don’t hear anything’ then a minute later dispatcher would say ‘well we are getting calls for a person shot at that location’
It works great! Im on tact now, lead district in guns.
Time to pull out more money from your ass you pathetic little twit...
The shot spotter is a good tool, but not to be replaced by your senses though. The technology is only as good as the guys behind the desk using it. And no matter how awsome the technology is, if nobody is available to respond what’s the point of it?
Heard shot spotter has an infared body count indicator and can detect which honor student requires a blanket or body bag...
Shotspotter was never going to be the answer for eliminating crime, especially since it's another reative tool. But it is effective for dispatching units to shootings, many of which are not even reported by citizens to 911
There have been several complete misses with shot spotter in the butthole 003, ppl shot but not a peep from that expensive system that’s suppose to you know alert us........ goofy tac Lt goes over radio and has SDSC room notify whomever for the miss. Move along, nothing to see here.
The shotspotters are all turned down for the past few days as they have turned all of the filters to the system on because of the fireworks and Fourth of July. Don’t any of you read the admins?? They put this out like a week ago and it’s also been read at all the roll calls in the C/O book. It says that gunshot events may not be captured in most parts of the districts and if they are the possibility of them being mislocated is high. Relax.
Other than getting us to the scene minutes after the event what good is shotspotter? It hasnt solved one crime or resulted in any arrests. Because if it did it would be all over the news.
To Democrat for Life - $1,500.00 a month for health insurance! You are kidding, aren't you?
I have a source for used genuine gypsy crystal balls.
Inspector general needs to go out and test these million dollar thefts.
very simple bring in some of those movie squib rounds that dont fire a projectile and fire it at random sights.
on the other end the inspector general clouted investigator will monitor the computer at OEMC and those useless district control centers.
if it works terrific.
NOW if it does not that means that 3 different companies ripped the City off and do not do any maintenance to them.
you could probably test about 30 of them just in 011 in 1 day.
SO somebody should have a bunch of R/d number to verify how many shootings the shot spotter has reported with confirmation
1. dead body
2. blood
3. hole in cars, windows, and buildings
4. shell casing inventoried
or what happens in real life no report noted, no ET assigned and no Detectives on scene.
Great TECH is ueseless if NO data is used to solve problem.
Right special ED see you at the cook out on the 4th...
Failure rate doesn't matter. They know the public is too stupid to realize shotspotter is a useless technology. This is the same dumb public that believes Alderman Burke has severed ties as a property tax attorney to Trump. Just repackaged it to look legit.
With all the technology - Shot-Spotter, red light cameras, speed cameras, surveillance cameras, etc. Chicago looks more like one of those futuristic movies where the city is a hell hole and Rahm's idea of a great city.
I know we’re quick to criticize crime fighting efforts from the city, but honestly; this one is actually worth the money.
- 11th District Sgt
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Do they make a “bullshit spotter” judge replacement system? Just wondering. If not, why rush to scenes if the courts throw everything out, deny charges and risk POs being injured, stripped/fired and sued? Seems to me it’s a house of cards made out of money that collapses all the time. But yeah, totally worth millions.... and the aforementioned risks... with little to no prosecutorial bite for offenders.
So, brother, I’m not arguing the effectiveness of the devices but their existence is rather pointless if our judicial system is corrupt and refuses to prosecute. Therefore, it is a waste of money, at least currently.
Plenty of people in this thread claiming it works, or it doesn't. Sound like just the thing that an Investigative Journalist would love to look into. Someone should call us Zekman - she's a sneaky little shit that will get right on it and get the truth...
It didn't work in Iraq either.
Any money put into the pension to shore it up to proper funding levels? Nope just money for incompetence at O'Hare, CPS, Illegals, ect. But don't worry once we get a Casino were gonna be flush with cash for pensions. How much was it RHAM was supposed to put in the pension. He is giving 2X that away to contractors with out a bid and settling law suits to the ghetto lottery lawyers that kick back into his re-election fund.
Technology , the connected thief's best friend . Think about it , the endless money flowing around from start to finish if there is one . Ya got the courting and wining and dining and bags and envelopes . Then ya got the contracts bloated with kick-ups and updates and political appointee's . Then ya got the upgrades and installations and the unions or not . And then campaign contributions and more political favors , it's like a frickin ATM . Best part is , it don't even have to work
I'm retired CPD. I've noticed that at some intersections , there is a vertical antenna-looking device that rises about 20-30 feet above stoplight poles. Is this "shotspotter"? If not, what is it? It's not a red light camera.
On the North Side, I recall there's one at both Clark and Fullerton and Belmont and Broadway.
The event went under booth review and was overturned.
Ruling on the street stands.
The playas were gunned down by clownin.
Special Ed was charged with his second Time Out.
Result of the play, 4th down again in 11.
The most expectation from ShotSpot is hope that it can take a nice Polaroid.
Although the ShotSpots folk were paid in full. the unmaintained equipment is likely obsolete by now.
Oh well.
It’s Always Sunny in Sanctuary City.
""There have been several complete misses with shot spotter in the butthole 003, ppl shot but not a peep from that expensive system that’s suppose to you know alert us........ goofy tac Lt goes over radio and has SDSC room notify whomever for the miss. Move along, nothing to see here.
7/03/2018 09:57:00 AM""
Yeah never once. Not even ever mentioned. Theres so much gun fire out there who gives a fuck anyway?
A scam. Just another scam.
I am retired 3 years now, and I did my last years at callback due to a medical condition that has left me almost immobile now. That being said, I recall when assigned to OEMC at the POD cameras, they started using Shotspotter(or however that is labeled now). They stopped using them then because of all the phony reports coming from the echos of fireworks, truck backfires, etc. My question is, did they ever resolve that specific problem, or did they merely let it sit and try to fire up the same old inefficient mechanism with the hopes it would work? Just curious.
The shotspotter works. Think of all the shootings that did not occur. These are the unspoken truths. These numbers cannot be measured. Lots of hope and change to solve that pesky out of control crime problem committed by certain demographics.
Lots of federal grant money lobbied by former gold star pensioned retired command staff members for those shotspotters. The six figure guys were recruited for their executive truly ineffective crimefighting experience to supplement their measly pensions which one cannot possibly survive on. Lots of secondary employment for the bosses.
If these consultant lobbyist types say it works, then let them grease the skids to solve the violence problem with an infusion of public cash and their very own supplemental personal compensation.
Money talks. Crime pays. In the meantime, give the arrested and re-arrested criminals that bond and set them free giving them just one more chance to commit additional acts of criminal terror. And let them activate the shotspotter heating up the rival warring "G's" with all those non- FOID acquired guns.
Dont forget those hard chargers in those baby cpic rooms get a rise in a euphoric state much like a sexual arousal calling out those shots fired calls putting their cinematic skills to work from deep inside a bunker making that technological difference solving those violent crimes. All all that enthusiasm like an orgasm on the radio. I sure hope those excited inside people are wearing protection when they unsheathe their technological weapons after the shotspotter is stimulated.
How does a “ shotspotter “ tell the difference between a gun shooting off, fireworks or a car back-firing ?
Just axin
The overwhelming number of violent crimes validates the need for more money (resources) to solve the problem. Incarcerating criminals keeps them in a controlled enviroment reduces the overall crimes perpetrated on the law abiding public. Low crime statistics defeat the demand for increased public funding for those new ,innovative, solving once and for all, crime strategies.
Shotspotter is identified as a tool to be used by those shotspotter resource officers who somehow justify their importance identifying the obvious chorus of gunfire. All technologies have limitations. It seems silencers are being used since a dismal 50% of aggravated firearm discharges are currently identified by the breakthrough cutting edge technology, a.k.a. Shotspotter.
All that gunfire as evidence by a double digit number of casings suggests that that shotspotters should be enrolled in Obamacare to get affordable healthcare and receive at no cost one of those non-stop infomercial hearing aids. And Obamacare enrollees are eligible for a subsidized cellular phone at no cost. More goverment resources to solve government created problems.
Anonymous said...
Other than getting us to the scene minutes after the event what good is shotspotter? It hasnt solved one crime or resulted in any arrests. Because if it did it would be all over the news.
It’s served it’s purpose. Takes more po’s off the street in the districts where they are needed more
Where is the outrage by prominent democrats like Ramn Emanuel, Tammy Duckworth and "Little Dicky" Durbin. It seems they have lots of outrage and concern for children of llegal immigrants being separated from their parents. Please show me the similar outrage by those concerned democrats for the three inner city American children almost permanently separated from their American families. Thank God these American citizen children will recover and weren't lined in chalk.
Hey democrats these children were almost separated from their parent(s) with a permanent plot at a cemetery six feet under. I guess American children don't count. Their political exploitation draws attention to the social failures in democrat voting enclaves. These children cant be used in a narrative of blame and shame against the sitting president.
But democrats can make a full slam dunk recovery by signing these children for an irrevocable lifetime benefit of SSI disability to fit in with the overwhlming throngs in disabled unable to work members in their community. This is what democrats do to lock in the vote and motivate the base. Its a winning strategy.
Rahm didn’t want to pay for the wi-fi.
ShotSpotter is a JB Pritzker thing that he forced on Rahm via the University of Chicago.
The reality is this: Having worked in an SDSC room, there are things I've concluded. Aside from the 4th being complicated with the fireworks, Shotspotter regularly has errors. When it works, it's pretty spot on. With that said, it prevents nothing and 90 plus percent of the time, the PODs do not exist where needed or are broken and some are just outdated with horrible, unusable footage. Then, add in our judicial system and it makes the whole concept pointless for crime solving. The only use is for officer safety by hopefully giving us a heads up on where Rahm's current and Obama's former constituents are shooting.
Typical Chicago kickback scheme.
Police “tech” is a goldmine for the machine/outfit to grab public treasure.
"Anonymous said...
To Democrat for Life - $1,500.00 a month for health insurance! You are kidding, aren't you"?
7/03/2018 10:21:00 AM
Wish I was. Don't qualify for Medicare because I did not earn enough points in Social Security before I was hired. "Don't worry about it. You get a pension and free health care for life". In 1986 the city started taking money from new recruits to put toward Medicare. What about us (those who got on in 1980)? "Don't worry about it. You get a pension and free health care for life". I pay $1,500 a month for Health Insurance. At my age I will have to get a job now to accumulate points for Medicare. Thanks for your concern.
.....I pay $1,500 a month for Health Insurance. At my age I will have to get a job now to accumulate points for Medicare. Thanks for your concern.
7/04/2018 06:51:00 AM
You could just trust in your fate and go without the insurance.
After all, just how long do you want to delay the opportunity to meet our Maker?
Presuming, of course, that your life habits are not the staying the fuck out of hospitals kind.
It's not difficult to stay healthy, if that is your intent.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How does a “ shotspotter “ tell the difference between a gun shooting off, fireworks or a car back-firing ?
Just axin
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It’s called science. You wouldn’t understand
Anonymous democRAT for LIFE! said...
"Anonymous said...
To Democrat for Life - $1,500.00 a month for health insurance! You are kidding, aren't you"?
7/03/2018 10:21:00 AM
Wish I was. Don't qualify for Medicare because I did not earn enough points in Social Security before I was hired. "Don't worry about it. You get a pension and free health care for life". In 1986 the city started taking money from new recruits to put toward Medicare. What about us (those who got on in 1980)? "Don't worry about it. You get a pension and free health care for life". I pay $1,500 a month for Health Insurance. At my age I will have to get a job now to accumulate points for Medicare. Thanks for your concern.
If you are or were married and your wife worked you can use her quarters. She would need 40 quarters and most women earned quarters starting at summer jobs, and in the workforce prior to marriage and usually for some time after marriage. Also if you were married for 10 years and got divorced, you can still use her quarters
Shotspotter is BS,always has been.
Just another contract for the connected to kick back with.
???Anonymous Anonymous said...
How does a “ shotspotter “ tell the difference between a gun shooting off, fireworks or a car back-firing ?
Just axin
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It’s called science. You wouldn’t understand
7/04/2018 10:20:00 PM <<<'
Part of it has to do with the supersonic crack of the bullet moving through the air. This can be fooled by a lot of factors like using sub-sonic ammo such as those Black Talons we were given years ago.
How does a “ shotspotter “ tell the difference between a gun shooting off, fireworks or a car back-firing ?
Just axin
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It’s called science. You wouldn’t understand
7/04/2018 10:20:00 PM
The above reply is scientifically defined as "assinine snark".
Assinine snark is scienterrifically proven to be found only emminating from the assholes of the assinine snarkly species known commonly as "smart assed dumb assholes".
Assinine snark is never confused with ball bustingly effective sarcasm. At least not by any other than those smart assed dumb assholes.
As for you original query:
1. The scientific identifying of the differences between sonic waves, caused by a variety of means, which sound, to the average human ear, as the report of a firearm discharging, is not effectively relevant. The scientific delineation between similiar sources of these types of sonic events has no useful effect in this current subject of convo.
2. Researching the science, and methods developed therefrom, of accurately determining any individual sound event's source of cause is one way to pass the time and satisfy curiosity. The science of sound, aka, sonics, is quite facinating.
3. The practical element of any sound detection system, this detection and determining the occurence of an actual firearm discharge(s) being the subject of convo, is purely one of, theoretically, being quicker than awaiting notification from the publc reporting(s) of event(s) to 911. That is all the usefulness this currently convo subject has to offer. (I omit the obvious taxes being doled out to the usual sticky fingered hands.)
4. The Internet, being the magical source of all curiosities, awaits the original poster's curious attempts to satisfy said curiosity.
ScienTerrifically Yours,
Professor Peabody
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