FOP Cuts Ties with Herbert
- Just over a month after Chicago Police officer Jason Van Dyke was convicted of second-degree murder, leaders of the union that represents most of the department’s rank-and-file officers apparently are unhappy with his lawyer.
The board of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7 has voted to no longer refer cases to Daniel Herbert, a former CPD officer and prosecutor who once worked as an FOP staff attorney. Herbert, who headed a team of attorneys representing Van Dyke, has built his private practice largely on representing police officers in labor disputes, as well as handling civil and criminal cases involving officers.
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In a statement, Herbert said Van Dyke wants to keep him on as his lawyer, and that the FOP board members who voted in favor of not sending further union business his way were “entitled to their opinion.” He noted that they had not attended the “majority” of the proceedings in Van Dyke’s case and had not watched all of the trial, which was broadcast live. FOP President Kevin Graham and Vice President Martin Preib both attended numerous pre-trial hearings and much of the three-week trial.
So there wasn't a meeting of the full Board?
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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I’ve said it before here, and I’ll say it again. I wouldn’t hire him to get me out of a parking ticket. He May be a former copper and he may be the nicest guy on the planet, but this isn’t the first time he’s lost.
"Herbert, who headed a team of attorneys representing Van Dyke, has built his private practice largely on representing police officers in labor disputes, as well as handling civil and criminal cases involving officers."
lets see--- what is Herburt competency level as a lawyer? or better yet, would any hotshot in the FOP use him as their lawyer? Would Ram use him as his lawyer? read Herberts reviews. it is amazing how his skills are shit
Watch an “ attorney” who had never tried a murder trial make numerous mistakes ? Dan Herbert was out of his league and his ego would not allow him to admit it . Watch him bill the FOP over a million dollars for what ? He’s represented three police officers and they all have one thing in common . They are in jail !
Van Dyke could have done MUCH better .
F. Lee Bailey and Clarendon Darrow couldn't have got Van Dyke off. His fate was sealed when the video came out.
The continued shooting after McDonald was on the ground just rubbed so many people wrong as unnecessary, cruel and excessive.
Harbert did what he could with what he had to work with. JVD was no help on the stand.
Dan is a typical cook county run of the mill scheister attorney. The only defense work he should be doing is in the minor rooms in traffic court. As much as I find these people distasteful I would of hired an Ekl, Breen, Zellner type attorney. Yes the chances of a not guilty were slim but mistakes were made and a seasoned attorney knows how to set up the case for a successful appeal.
Good he is horrible. Trial 101 if the case is to be determined by law you take trial by jury. So many missed opportunities on cross examination.
I didn't know the FOP had an "Executive Board". Isn't it the "Board of Directors"? Called them and they said the attorney wasn't fired and that any cop can use the attorney if they want to. The one FOP guy says our dues are being used to pay for the attorney to play baseball.
Is it true they were fired when one of them explained JVD hard to defend 16 shots of a guy who was on the ground? I’d fire them too.
Should have taken a bench !
It’s improbably that Van Dyke would ever have won at trial. When the judge failed to give him a change of venue, he was like the Titanic after hitting the iceberg.
Herbert charged 1.2 MILLION dollars to defend Van Dyke. Me thinks Herbert give ZERO fucks how the FOP now proceeds from now on. Herb is laughing all the way to the bank.
JVD was doomed thanks to the political climate, a biased judge and the SJW theatre called our media. HOWEVER, I implore any naysayers to watch the closing arguments again before they form an opinion. I find him, like most lawyers, personally abrasive, but I think he did everything he could for Jason. And if JVD still wants him, the guy that's been with him the longest, the guy that still visits him frequently in Moline, the guy that had to move his family out of the city at the end of the trial, the guy that's still in JVD's corner...we'll, that speaks volumes.
He's done. Can't lose like that. No one will hire him now.
I am not surprised.
You straddle that fence too often and pretty soon
you don't have to be so careful
F. Lee Bailey and Clarendon Darrow couldn't have got Van Dyke off. His fate was sealed when the video came out.
100% agree.
His goose was cooked when the video surfaced. By the way, the detective will beat his case while the two officers will be found guilty.
Herbert's competency is mainly in the area of getting pot smoking CPD applicants hired. Why he would be trusted to work a murder trial is beyond me.
Ask the Lynwood PD Sgt who used him how good he was- the Sgt was not only fired, he's also being prosecuted.
here's a question to ask? what happens to all the po's with open copa/iad cases that Herbert's law firm is representing? What other firm handles chicago police officer's matters? Doesn't this create a huge problem for officers with open cases?
Maybe someone should take responsibility for choosing Herbert in the first place. He had no business even accepting this case. Never tried a murder. Taking a jury instead of a bench was pure lunacy. You haven’t even seen yet the full fallout from that mistake. I’ll explain after sentencing. BTW ex-cops are usually crap lawyers. I can think of only one guy who’s actually good. He’s fat and sweaty and his initials are BB.
If I could, I would fire the entire FOP Board and all the trustees.
Time to start over. And for God's sake, you young coppers need to get off your ass, get involved with your union and vote.
Good start. Now, lets get rid of FOP and get a real bargaining unit in there. You know, like guys who are not employed with CPD.
He pissed off the judge early on so Van Dyke could not choose a bench trial. No jury was going to come back with a not guilty. This case was doomed from the start.
Herbert was/is over his head on this type of case.
Where were the experts from the Force Science Institute?
Long over due. Nice guy but he was way over his head in criminal matters.
He’s represented three police officers and they all have one thing in common . They are in jail !
True. Very very true.
JVD want's to retain him? Why? Does he like his new digs?
In Chicago when you need a criminal attorney get a C R I M I N A L attorney.
Proud to be from your Homeroom class of 99-9A
19 yrs next week
It is about time> This guy was TERRIBLE. How many mistakes did he make during this trail? There are several that stick out besides taking a Judge instead of a jury. Speaking about taking a judge, one of the issues that he is appealing this case on that he could not find a impartial jury in Cook County. Ah dua, that is why you should have gone with a judge. He stated that one of the jurors (A female/black) was prejudicial from the start. Again, dua, one could see that in her answers to the judge during his questioning of potential jurors. But here is the real issue: HOW DID HE GET APPOINTED TO REPRESENT JVD IN THE FIRST PLACE? I have said this before and I am going to say it again, how could the FOP assign this case to him? How can they say they represent the best interest of their membership when they assigned the most controversial Police Involved case/trail to a attorney WHO NEVER TRIRED A MURDER CASE? What was the process in this assignment? Did anyone take into account the lack of experience? Who in the FOP are his backers? How much money did he bill the FOP for his at best med ocular representation? The three other Officers who are charged in conjunction with this incident have REAL ATTORNIES WHO HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE AT 26th Street. I hope that there is a extensive review on how attorneys are hired and assign to cases. This was a very difficult case granted, but if there is a review, the FOP should look at the totality of his conduct from the moment he was assigned this case to the appeal that he is involved in currently.
Dan Herbert showed up to the police board wearing a Christmas themed gift wrap suit and a tie that lights up. Imagine being the officer that is fighting a suspension or for your job and your attorney shows up looking like a cartoon character. Shield fired him for the same reason. The guy is a mediocre attorney and is never prepared. Long overdue.
I don't know what JVD is hanging his hopes on. The only thing he has going for him is probably the change of venue issue. I guess its admirable that he wants to stick with an attorney whose defense got his client locked up for who knows how long. I would have went with a Zellner, Sam Adam or even one of those shysters from the Peoples Law Office. They get murderers off and compensation for them on top of it.
We All Rolled The Dice On this Trial, We All Have done Something and could have been fired for.Crooked County Goverment, Just realbad timming.
Once again I will say it, Herbert totally blew the case representing coppers kids that were knocked out due to putsch testing because of Ladners hate towards white cops. Took $2,500 dollars and just blew it because he wasn't prepared. Nice guy but not a God lawyer. Coppers beware.
Outcome was pre-determined. There was no trial. When did preponderance of evidence become a standard for a criminal trial and not beyond all reasonable doubt. if the first shot was legally justified, then the rest of the shots were.
This is Chicago/Cook County where they just make crap up.
Herbert never did a criminal murder trial before. I watched the whole trial on television, every day. Herbert seemed a little nervous and stammered a couple times, but I was over all impressed with the case that he and his partners put on. He even had a prosecution expert agreeing with the defense on cross examination. The defense put on a strong, valid case that showed the legal justification for the shooting. Van Dyke was fucked from the start. This jury was going to convict no matter who the defense lawyer was. Putting Van Dyke on stand? I don’t think he held up very well on cross, but I think he had to try. Several private attorneys and ASA’s I talked to over the years said it’s dangerous putting befendant on stand, but they said in this case Van Dyke had to because he needed to explain his actions. Van Dyke was demonized for years in the press and he needed to try and show the jury who he is. FOP offered Van Dyke other attorney’s but he and family chose Herbert and wife still stands by Herbert. So, let’s not bash Herbert for the outcome of this farce of a trial.
Dan is a Good person. He helped me with a beef or two down at IAD. I would use him again. He is a former Marine. How many lawyers cans say that? Happy B-Day Marine! Semper Fi! OOOh-Rahhh!
Happy Veterans day to all the other Vets out there.
Take out an umbrella insurance policy for a million or two. Get a high end lawyer. Stop playing around.
It’s too bad JVD and DH didn’t get the result they hoped for.
All things considered, this was more about Rahm, Special Ed and KimmFxxUp and their future political chips.
No need to say DH didn’t do this, didn’t do that, should have, could have, etc. can’t armchair this disposition unless you’re a seasoned winning criminal attorney.
FOP can break ties with DH but should have known the battle they were up against.
Referrals are just that.
No matter if it’s an attorney or a roofer or a car dealer.
Ever buy a Dodge loaded to the gills with bells and whistles then wonder why it drives like shit after a year and doesn’t hold a resale like a BMW?
In the vast world of attorneys, esquires and notorio publicos....You get what you pay for.
The great Vincent LaGuardia Gambini once said “I never been to a trial, all my cases settled”.
If JVD wants to retain DH it will be at his expense.
Tough decision.
Hard chargers looking to please Special Ed with numbers should take note -
Don’t rely on FOP Legal Defense Fund as bottomless piggy bank.
Stay Fetal.
Conflict of interest from very start. He could not represent Van Dyke while representing other Officers.
Should have attacked the Dept from top to bottom. Kinda hatd to do while still representing PO’s.
The blame rests on Dean and the rest who thought this was a good idea. AND the blame should also
be placed on current board that allowed this sin to continue.
This was not a winnable case. The cook county fix was in from the beginning. It was decided very early by the media that JVD was guilty and they pushed that narrative from start to finish. The corrupt liberal media in this country disgusts me.
Grahams the worst FOP pres we've ever had What a joke
Any given lawyer has one or more specializations, of which they may or may not be good at. You don't, for instance, put a divorce attorney on a murder case. What FOP should do is have a roster of lawyers that they refer different types of cases to rather than some kind of one size fits all solution that smells of an old-boy network looking after its own. Mr. Herbert is probably great at resolving labor disputes and small-claims type stuff but your union needs an ace on tap for the big heat.
JVD can be referred to the lawyers over at the Innocence Project now. If they can overturn convictions for all these dirt bags who never had an honest day in their lives, I think they could easily get him out.
The fact that the judge believed that he could get a fair, impartial, and unbiased jury to decide the fate of a police officer in cook county is laughable. The decision to have a jury of your “peers” decide your fate was questionable at best. This case was influenced by the biased media. Take a look at what is happening in this country following a police involved shooting. The police are being indicted in more and more of these cases.
The members PAID for herbert to go to Cooperstown Ny to coach his kids baseball team. Meanwhile, the VanDyke kids are without their Father. But hey, it wasnt winnable anyway according to Randy Reuckert.
Herberts wins are few and losses are many! The entire board is political but removing him may be a good thing.
What was the outcome when Greg Bell a and that $200,000 use of FOP (Our money) conundrum?
https://www.courthousenews.com/more-fallout-from-police-torture-case/
They are all in the same boat, trying to enrich their futures on the backs of the members of FOP, it has been like this and always will be like this,nothing to see here please move along quickly!
Van Dyke was dead man walking. Perry Mason could not get him off. Video was hard to defend. Herbert did decent job. Even the jury said afterwards that they NEVER CONSIDERED JVD not guilty.
People here say that JVD should have hired a lawyer that has defended police officers charged with murder.
Where do you find those lawyers with that experience and expertise? Seeing as it is extremely rare for an on-duty police officer to be charged, where do you find them that are willing to take the case?
F. Lee Bailey and Johnny Cochrane are dead.
Ever think that maybe the Force Institute looked at the case and turned away?
Really !!! What lawyer stands a chance of defending a white cop in a justified killing of any one who is not white ?????
Notice how when 11 or 12 are killed on the east coast and west coast it makes major news story BUT every week end we get 5 to 6 killed and NOTHING from the major news unless it happened to be a white cop killing any one
Trump is right,,,the fake news shows up every day
I am not a cop.
However, I have family that's Chicago cops so I paid close attention to this case from the start. As presented, the Van Dyke case was doomed from the start. It was just a matter of how bad it would be.
The video clearly did not show what was alleged by the cops.
Van Dyke's defense team should have realized that from the start and not pursued a case where they were trying to convince a jury that what their eyes were seeing was not true. Plus they were fighting the public sentiment that an acquittal would surely bring rioting. An alternative defense that would have likely kept Van Dyke out of prison and at least tempered the rioting would focus on Van Dyke probably suffering from PTSD or a similar affliction that drove him to keep shooting.
Yes, the burden of proof would have shifted to the defense but it would have been far easier to prove that a cop was suffering a form of mental illness brought on by the stress of the job than essentially telling a jury that they can't trust their eyes. By owning the crime and attributing it to mental illness, Van Dyke would have probably been looking at a time in a mental facility with early release, rather than prison time.
Its the same with the OJ Simpson case. By trying to convince a jury of laymen on the intricacies of the newly discovered DNA process, the prosecutors lost them and the jury simply didn't trust the prosecution team and likely voted along racial lines.
Attorneys need to realize that juries do not think the same way cops and lawyers do. Trying to explain the use of force protocol to a civilian would likely result in a glazed over look and a reversion to simply believing what they thought from the beginning.
Hindsight 20/20, I believe the Judge purposely acted like a dick to scare Herbert away from a bench trial. He didn't want that pressure of possibly finding Van Dyke innocent hanging over his head. I didn't watch all of the trial but one of the biggest blunders was that cheesy computer reenactment that proved nothing. I also agree with others that Van Dyke didn't come off very credible on the stand. Him tearing up while saying he just wanted to get the knife from his hand, and that's why he continued shooting would have been laughable if the trial weren't so consequently dire. It was a bad shoot imo but not a criminal one. Okay, maybe he loses his job but putting him in jail accomplishes nothing other then appeasing a certain demographic. It's not like Van Dyke would be a threat to society if he wasn't a police officer and was free. I guess citizens were scared that he would become a vigilante that would shoot and kill more wackos with knives, on PCP, while during his coffee breaks at his new job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Take out an umbrella insurance policy for a million or two. Get a high end lawyer. Stop playing around.
What umbrella insurance are you talking about?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Take out an umbrella insurance policy for a million or two. Get a high end lawyer. Stop playing around.
11/10/2018 11:06:00 AM
Take out an umbrella policy on what kind of an insurance policy? Homeowners?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Van Dyke was dead man walking. Perry Mason could not get him off. Video was hard to defend. Herbert did decent job. Even the jury said afterwards that they NEVER CONSIDERED JVD not guilty.
11/10/2018 02:43:00 PM
Sorry your wrong! the black lady on the jury in a tribune article cleraly states that "Some people thought he was not guilty so I kicked off my shoes," she clearly admits intimidating them!
Excerpt:
“Let’s not make this a race thing or a sympathy thing,” Cooke recalled telling her fellow juror, a white woman. “We’re talking about a man, not even a white man, but a man who used his authority the wrong way. He took somebody’s life, and it was overkill.”
Then, Cooke made it clear that she wasn’t backing down.
“I told everyone, ‘Kick your shoes off, get comfortable because we’re not going anywhere.’”
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/laquanmcdonald/ct-met-laquan-mcdonald-jason-van-dyke-juror-20181018-story.html
Herbert did the best he could. Van Dyke was never going to beat this. 16 shots into dude on the ground ain’t gonna cut it unless he’s armed with a gun.
Wake up.
JVD can be referred to the lawyers over at the Innocence Project now. If they can overturn convictions for all these dirt bags who never had an honest day in their lives, I think they could easily get him out.
11/10/2018 01:34:00 PM
OMG this is freakin' golden, i luv it! Oh th irony :)
About GD Damn time. If you're a halfway intelligent copper you'd know he's bush league at best and down right dangerous in any other situation. Represented me on a shooting smelling like booze. Can you imagine that? Trust me representing coppers at IAD for a CR is like needing an attorney at an ANOV hearing. Why the hell would anyone use him for criminal defense? I'm shocked the FOP allowed this - then again par for course. The entire FOP organization needs to go. Times have changed boys and girls and voting in the same incompetent people from a tiny pool of fools and expecting change is the definition of insanity. These same morons then hire your "legal advisor"! WTF?! Oh and stop with he's a nice guy. He gets PAID.
You officers need a real union! since youve never had one you dont know what your missing. as 50 year member of a chicago union that represents public and private trade workers, i can tell you, you never can have union reps or officers that work for the company you are doing battle with. never! they have to be professional, well paid and aggressive and cant be worried about whats going to happen when they go back to a district. and most importantly get your dopey disconnected, union ambiguous, hair gel kids involved in the every day business of being organized. i spent half my career working for daley, he never gave us anything we didnt take by force with a little nut squeezing. hope you officers finally get what you need, every one else is represented, about time you got what you deserve. these fucks will never offer, you have to take it. best of luck blue lives matter.
It's unpopular, I know, but I wasn't impressed with his defense at all. Nice man, well-intentioned, but an exceptional criminal defense? No.
I hired his firm for a simple a case and they blew it....anyway JVD was doomed from the beginning the fact that he only got convicted for what he did was a gift....that being said Herbert was WAYYYY over his head. Horrible prep..horrible experts..horrible cross or lack there of...all around bad...and why wasn’t JVD on home monitoring that would be time served that would be counted...anyway he’s a nice enough guy but not a trial attorney certainly not a freaking murder trial...stick to closings if he will even get that these days his reputation is screwed.
Grahams the worst FOP pres we've ever had What a joke
Oh, Like You Could Do Better?
The case was not winnable. The only possible defense to shooting that young man 16 times was a plea of temporary insanity. Van Dyke lost it that night and was was suffering from PTSD.
Here’s the problem in a nutshell . When a president runs for office he needs money to send out his mailers . They are approximately $15 k per mailer . Where do you get the money ? You get it from attorneys and insurance companies you employ . The past election one person in
Particular had six mailers . 6 x 15 = $90 k . It did not matter how many mailers were sent out this person was not going to win . The Fop needs attorneys who will prep their clients, not over 11 hours and a few beers , be honest with them and if necessary take the needed actions that best suit them . If this means taking a plea bargain so be it !
11/10/2018 11:08:00 PM
Well said! I have been saying the same for 20 years.
Pull up and start shooting while other officers are waiting for a taser. Shoot the thug and keep shooting after he is down. Shoot till you run out of ammo in the gun. Then testify you were trying to shoot the knife out of his hand. The video was enough to convict VD of manslaughter. This post is the best I have seen excusing VD behavior that night.["The case was not winnable. The only possible defense to shooting that young man 16 times was a plea of temporary insanity. Van Dyke lost it that night and was was suffering from PTSD."]
Umbrella will not cover your work issues. Better double check that JR. Your agent is blowing smoke up your ass.
Well my personal knowledge of Herbert,
I knew him from up in 024.
While he was in 024 he was given a special car to work and did nothing the whole tour. His dad was connected
Then he transfers to Academy where he taught. (While going to law school)
Leaves CPD and joins States Attorney office then moves into his own office.....
Well years later I catch a CR up in IAD and need reprensatation. (For an allegation that I had no contact with)
So I see Herbert in lobby at 35th street and ask him to take case on?
He turned me down saying case is not winnable........I was crushed.
I eventually get an attorney and go to war with Department.
Police Board unamously finds me NOT GUILTY of any allegations. (Total waste of time and money)
Best advice Herbert gave me was he would not take my case on.
Best suggestion to anyone out there who needs counsel, find a Better Attorney.
After watching JVD case I can clearly state Herbert should never have said yes to take this case on.
Herbert will get paid either way by FOP.
But there was no Confidence in Herbert from day one
This guys presentation was trash. What moron thinks he did the best considering.. ive seen better from a PD.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You officers need a real union! since youve never had one you dont know what your missing. as 50 year member of a chicago union that represents public and private trade workers, i can tell you, you never can have union reps or officers that work for the company you are doing battle with. never! they have to be professional, well paid and aggressive and cant be worried about whats going to happen when they go back to a district. and most importantly get your dopey disconnected, union ambiguous, hair gel kids involved in the every day business of being organized. i spent half my career working for daley, he never gave us anything we didnt take by force with a little nut squeezing. hope you officers finally get what you need, every one else is represented, about time you got what you deserve. these fucks will never offer, you have to take it. best of luck blue lives matter.
11/10/2018 11:08:00 PM
I agree somewhat to your post. The difference is, you can strike when your contract expires and can hold the city hostage with services not being rendered. We cannot strike and must work for years sometimes without a contract.
Thank you for your support.
Lets look at the full chain of events after the shooting. SA brought charges of 1st degree murder and official misconduct. SA lost her election and a Special Prosecutor was appointed and recharged and added 2 more counts of 1st degree and 16 counts of ag bat. Pretrial motions went on for years and the judge refused to dismiss charges on any of the counts. If there was a plea on the table, please show me when and what that would have looked like. The judge and special prosecutor were never going to allow this to be plead out. The defense may have wanted to get a plea, but that deal comes from the State. A State that was never going to allow this not to go to trial. So it goes to trial and we all say call everyone from the Mayor to the Super to the stand. To say what? By the way the Judge wouldnt all witnesses like this to be called and neither would the State. The video shows what happened but nothing shows what was in the minds of everyone on the scene. As for the defense of jvd many if not all criminal attorneys would not take a case like this. Why? Because they make much more money off defending the scum of society and calling you to the stand to discredit our profession. A bench trial was an option, but look at the pretrial motions and decisions and you tell me if the judge would have delivered a different verdict? You may not have liked Herberts style, but he laid a ton of facts for an appeal. He also has the post trial motions that are equally as important as the trial itself. Guilty on 2nd and guilty on 16 ag bat. Is there a new standard being set here? Meaning when we arrest someone of a shooting can the SA charge for each and every shot or is it 1 act. 1 act meaning sentence on 1 charge? So in order to convict of 2nd you have to find someone guilty of 1st degree murder with circumstances. The 16 ag bat were lesser included charges and should be vacated or rolled up into 1 act. Lets not forget that jvd was acquitted of official misconduct. That is important because if he conducted himself in a way that is within the law like the jury confirmed. How does that get looked at on appeal? The jury said he acted officially and because of that the p/o use of force statute says it is justified. The jury was not instructed to consider anything other than the standard jury instructions. Not because Herbert allowed it, but because the judge ruled on his motion and denied that specific instruction be given to the jury. I dont care if jvd had a dream team of attorneys. The judge restricted this case from the start.
I understand that Dean Angelo was very angry about Herbert being fired along with several other office holders from his old team. Why? Why are they angry? Is there something going on with this anger? What relationships is there between these individuals and Herbert? I understand that there were several arguments between the office holders of the old regime and several new office holders from the Graham's regime. Is it true that the only time they talk is when it is absolutely necessary? Things are very interesting at the FOP Office.
I understand that Dean Angelo was very angry about Herbert being fired along with several other office holders from his old team. Why? Why are they angry? Is there something going on with this anger? What relationships is there between these individuals and Herbert? I understand that there were several arguments between the office holders of the old regime and several new office holders from the Graham's regime. Is it true that the only time they talk is when it is absolutely necessary? Things are very interesting at the FOP Office.
11/11/2018 12:31:00 PM
Actually, they are not that interesting. Just sad. Kevin Graham is a little idiot, spent the first two years of his term trying to buddy up with his election adversaries, Bella and Angelo. (Maybe he only likes working with guys under 5' 6" ????). Meanwhile, the guys Graham ran with are all disgusted and disillusioned with his complete lack of balls inability to lead. Lately, Graham has been asking all "his guys" if they'll run with him in the next election. They keep putting him off because they ain't interested. Bella and Angelo and Graham (and the FOP's poor excuses for lawyers) are all going to pay because they were against getting involved in the consent decree lawsuit back when FOP had the absolute right to do so. Say what you will about Mike Shields not sending the letter, FLOP's failure act and get involved in the consent decree litigation is a much bigger mistake. Bye, bye, one-term KG.
Why was this assigned to Herbert who had no experience in a murder trial? Ask Dean Angelo. Then ask Ray Casiano Who was in charge of legal defense. Then ask Greg Bella. I bet you get 3 different answers. With a whole lot of, oh,ah,er,oo
Jason should have pled insanity. Once he got on the stand and testified that he was following his training, I knew it was over.
Dan Herbert attacked one particular member of the Board when he was invited to speak . He then went on to give interviews in both Chicago newspapers calling members of the Board “ bad apples !” Here’s a guy who bills our union for over a million dollars and when the results don’t come back the way he wanted he attacks his employer . Since when did we work for him ? The previous administration selected this attorney who had never tried a murder trial . He selected the judge , jury and his witnesses . He failed to prep his client properly . He also went to Cooperstown to coach his sons team one month prior to the trial all the time billing the union for his work coaching doubleheader’s.
Dan Herbert was not fired! Quit crying !!!!
https://www.calibrepress.com/2018/10/video-san-jose-police-shoot-man-with-hachet/
Check out this video. Bottom line is Alvarez and Rahm threw van Dyke under the bus to get another term.
Now its time for us to cut ties with FOP.
The kid was already dead when he left the womb. Drug addicted mother (who is now a millionaire) who never took care of him. Shuffled around and ends up with great granny who got paid and never took care of him.
Juror was predjudiced from day one. The kid never had a chance and neither did JVD.
Reply to Anonymous who wrote @ 11/11/2018 08:09:00 AM
Pull up and start shooting while other officers are waiting for a taser. Shoot the thug and keep shooting after he is down. Shoot till you run out of ammo in the gun. Then testify you were trying to shoot the knife out of his hand. The video was enough to convict VD of manslaughter. This post is the best I have seen excusing VD behavior that night.["The case was not winnable. The only possible defense to shooting that young man 16 times was a plea of temporary insanity. Van Dyke lost it that night and was was suffering from PTSD."]
Sorry pal, I have to disagree with you. If that little POS thug w/ his knife jumped on MY CAR, stabbing at the windshield and slashes one of my tires, I can only pray that someone would shoot the high AF punk before he kills me or someone else.
Read (720 ILCS 5/7-1). Deadly Force.
I don't care how many bullets it takes, if I personally have ignored 20 minutes of commands to DROP THE KNIFE while jumping on squads--out of my mind on dope like Laquan Switchblade McDonald, I fully expect to be shot. And I'm a white woman. Why do I write that? Because that's the LAW. I understand that cops have a job to do: SERVE and PROTECT. STOP THE THREAT.
I also know that I, and everybody else, has a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO *NOT* BREAK THE LAW, LISTEN TO COMMANDS OF RESPONDING OFFICERS, and DROP THE FREAKING WEAPON WHEN I AM TOLD TO DO SO.
union commenter here. all the city trade unions in the coallition are signed to no strike agreements. when faced with an issue from the politically appointed bosses who have never done our work we are told to do it and greive it. we win all our important issues eventually. thats why you need professional negotiators to deal with mush head political appointees. its easy for the city brass to give up when things get difficult, cuz hey, they didnt sign up to do hard work, and of course its not their money. im 4th gen cpd family and it makes me ill to see whats happening to our family. you guys and girls need the best professional representation money can buy for all the physical and financial risks you take. hope you get it someday. funny how the talking heads all want burger flippers to get what they are "worth" with cadillac benefits but when it comes to police and fire youre all over paid. disgusting. best of luck and God bless.
PS-- 11/12/2018 04:48:00 PM
Get your CCL and learn defend yourself the police may not be there when you need them.
What fucked Van Dyke was that he shot 16 times on video including while shithead was down, and the other cops on the scene didn't fire once. He was not going to go home after this trial. No fucking way in this city! His best bet is on appeal when everything simmers down. If you look at JVD and Herbert expressions when they got 2nd degree murder instead of 1st tells you everything.
Many years ago there was talk of a rotation system where officers working dangerous, high stress districts for a long period of time would be transferred to a slower district or a specialized unit. Officers from better assignments would then take their place. It never materialized because of the prevalence of clout and political favorites. You cannot move them. The result is officers who are stressed out, burned out and exhausted. But no one wants to face the cause of police over reaction. There is very little real help.
1st. Under the legal defense fund, an officer is allowed to chose any lawyer he wants as long as the lawyer agrees to accept the FOP rate of pay. So cutting ties with Herbert is a dog and pony show. Any copper that wants to use him still could under the legal defense guidelines. 2nd. Every copper on here saying “he fired to many times therefore he is guilty” should go educate themselves on the law. Go read up on Supreme Court decisions or turn in your buttons, because you obviously have no understanding of what you can and can’t do when it comes to lethal force. Where does it say you can only fire X amount of times once you reach the level where lethal force can be used? Does it look bad on video? Sure it does. But if he had only fired 2-3 times and the guy is still dead, what difference does it make? Dead is dead no matter the amount of shots. JVD is a political sacrificial lamb. Did his job and got thrown under the bus for GMac and Rahm. Read up and educate yourselves boys and girls.
I watched both videos. I get what happened in JVD's case. But, someone please explain to me how Sgt. Muhammad is not facing an attempted murder charge for shooting the autistic kid. Racism? WTF! That was WAY worse than what JVD did.
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