Hidden Costs
- Smaller departments are choosing to end their body camera programs because of the costs. Evidence retention laws in combination with the high cost of video storage is the culprit for many of these agencies, The Washington Post reports.
Body cameras “are wonderful for winning public trust, but it’s expensive,” East Dundee Police Chief George Carpenter told the paper. The department is located in a tiny suburb of Chicago and has 17 officers.
Police have been using body cameras to help restore and build public trust over the past few years. Although the cameras were widely adopted, many departments, especially those in smaller jurisdictions, are dropping or delaying their programs because of the expenses of storing and managing thousands of hours of footage.
Axon, a body camera manufacturer, says every client that has canceled a contract did so because of the costs.
We aren't suggesting CPD abandon cameras (they've cleared dozens of cops from bullshit accusations), but taxpayers deserve to know how much data cops are generating (HINT: tens of thousands of hours per month) and exactly how much storage costs are eating into the budget. Then maybe look at which former CPD exempt(s) are currently employed by Axon and ask some other pointed questions so taxpayers know exactly what's what.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
52 Comments:
"Police Oversight" of the onerous sort
will insure that lower tier ambulance chaser/
law school grads who specialize in suing Policemen
and an entire bureaucratic army must be hired to
pursue said oversight.
>Giant Sucking Sound<
That's taxpayer treasure swirling down the
City Hall toilet.
>Giant Grinding Sound<
That's this city being deliberately pushed over the abyss
by the last two mayoral administrations.
Fiscal incompetence and malfeasance...
Inclusive of preemptively settling lawsuits
against The Police when the majority of them
go begging to be fought.
But no...
The beast needs to be fed.
Kick backs from crooked lawyers must go
to/through the mayor's office and the
dirty as a dead whore's panties city council.
Campaign funds and shit and other assorted nonsense.
Meanwhile?
"The Police are what's wrong with Chicago.
Once we fix THEM, everything else will fall
in place."
Right?
Let the public vote on it
The tentacles are far reaching in this shithole city.
Not only are the costs of storing & managing the footage expensive, but what really gets expensive are the costs associated with responding to lawyer & FOIA footage requests.
Somebody has to look at all the footage in question, duplicate only that which pertains to the request, then download that onto CD-ROM & send it to the requester.
rb
I think Axon was like a drug dealer. Took advantage
of the "me too" movement, gotta have it yesterday,
gotta cover my ass.
Salesmen never mentioned eternal storage costs,
cost of cataloging, building that data tree to the sky.
Axon probably makes its money on the film & storage
rather that the cameras.
It's the initial hook that matters. All subscription-based
or recurring contract business deals are very lucrative.
Think: Apple, Netflix.
How about posting all the videos on YouTube and getting paid!
As long as we are looking at camera's and costs! Why not look at the windfall profits the red light & speed camera companies are making for providing a service that is nothing more than another revenue stream to fill the pockets of the politically connected, and supply more money to the hole through the center of the earth that all the rest of the tax money has been disappearing into back to the first mayor Daily, purposely spelled that way to illustrate how often the tax payers get screwed!
Make it a federal program. Have the federal government pay the costs.
If they need storage space, I can donate my IBM 386. I have boxes and boxes of those seven inch floppy disks they can have.
Thanks to former Supt Hillard who is making a bundle on this topic. It’s his company.
I work in IT depends on the size of data. Many companies offer mass storage at a reasonable price
The same with the NEST video doorbell. You need to pay a monthly fee to get and retain your video. It's not stored on your PC but in the NEST cloud.
In our case cameras are good, we are all liars and cheats. There's a bounty on us, record everything.
Someone's making MONEY !!!!
it's not the cost , it shows the criminal lie and play race card
it saves millions in law suits
If I remember correctly Axon donated the cameras to CPD with the stipulation they receive a long term contract to store all our video footage. Rohmncouldnt pass up free camera for every policeman and jumped on board immediately. Now we’re in this deal for millions a year. Look at this shiny object over hear politicians... unfrickenbelieable.
Storage is cheap. The camera companies are ripping off the city.
Someone's making MONEY with body cameras! !!!
Another reason given for the next huge tax raise. You want police video you got to pay for that. More Pay to Play in Chicago.
Orwell Big Brother is not cheap. Who knew?
Well, let the invisible hand that guides our economy do its work. If demand drops, so does the price.
maybe they can send a sketch artist out to crime scenes?
It's 10's of thousands of hours PER DAY.
Part of the problem is they don't purge any of those recordings like they said would happen after a certain period. Why is the department hangin' on to recordings of bullshit calls that have no evidentiary value or concluded without incident?
Once again “Follow the Money” explains everything.
Just this week the commander of 007 went into all 3 afternoon roll calls, reading the riot act because one of his family members was stopped for traffic, even going so far as to say "this person is now on my radar, you better believe im going to go through every one of their videos until I find something." He claimed what he was most upset about was that someone said "fuck the commander", so for a day everyone walked around asking who said it, the answer...nobody said it.
Turns out the fearless leader never watched the video, just took one side without any investigation, sound familiar anyone?
Without their camera on and rolling this copper would have been dealt a severe punishment, the commander had made up his mind already without taking literally 10 minutes to go and watch the video. They take these cameras away im becoming a janitor
DO NOT TAKE MY BWC AWAY!!! I love having evidence and recordings of the craziness and lack of honesty witnessed on this job. The public lies and sometimes the horrible scenes we deal with every night. We all know the cameras have had the opposite effect the police haters and I ace baiters needed to push their narrative and lawsuits through. I have become a good camera man, properly positioning my camera to document scenes, witness accounts and victims sides of the story. It’s all being recorded has become my favorite line. If it works for the police and protects us, there will be less of a push for the bwc’s when the actual truth can be damaging to the lies and accusations of the many payout seekers in the ghetto lottery occupation.
WODS
Sound's like a Time Share bend over
It should all be paid for by the peoples shown on camera! Charge them for every crime they commit. Fine the be'jeezus out of them. Sell all their possessions to satisfy the debt. Prohibit any public money for them until the debt and interest is paid in full. Community service jobs at federal minimum wage locked in at time of occurrence, no cost of living bumps. Mandate full prosecution, no plea deals, no nolle prosequi. Have judges hear cases in video conferences from other jurisdictions. Debtor's prisons and workhouses, and charge them rent while they're there. By the way, if we hold miscreants fully accountable, crime will dwindle to zero. Might take a generation or two, but we would be a hell of a lot better off.
I saw at JVD's sentencing that Danny Herbert has started growing his hair out. Looks much better!
Since the ACLU was behind the push for bodycams, why aren't they paying for these storage costs? BLM and Jesse can help out, if need be. It's about time these assholes put their money where their mouth is.
If there were some Tort Reform there wouldn’t be a need for cameras.
Then again, pandering Rahm Settlemints Inc pays out without any prior lawsuit.
The imagery they want to expose is not that of the violent feral resistance, but rather the actions taken by the BWC wearer and anyone in then background. And - COPRAH should not be the determining entity that releases the video.
The city folded to the ACLU and community and allowed the virtually lifetime retention because they knew the private company would continue to pay it forward with donations and attorneys can simply rely on COPA to sift through the files without any reason, like it’s a cash cow nexflix. Make a frivolous allegation and that file stays put.
I don’t recall, how many po exonerations have there been with the in car or bwc footage so far?
If there’s a dollar to be made a City Hall insider proposes a magic wand solution.
How long will it be before the Aldergoofs submit and buy into that Ammunition ID serial numbers bright idea again.
Not that any gun case is followed through with the current Cook Co Community Activism Office.
Tort Reform first, then limit the COPA evidence release entitlement.
Neither will happen no matter how logical
Stay Fetal.
Hold the close-up Mr. De Mille, no lights, no camera, no action.
Maybe we can get the media to chip in on the costs. They're a great beneficiary of the footage and love to sensationalize it. "We have officer body worn camera video, we must warn you, the images are violent, viewer discretion is advised". Everyone should of known the costs were in the storage. Just like the cellphone companies, many give the phones away because they know the profits are in the cellular service plans, not the hardware. However, politicians must appease the community no matter the price.
I love my de-escalating, behavior modifying, mirror of life, I got you tool. I hope it never goes away.
I call BS. AWS charges about 2 cents a month per GB for storage that is highly secure and easily accessible. That's about 10 minutes worth of video. How many minutes worth of video per officer is generated? Most places the video is only stored for 90 days or so unless there is some reason to store it longer.
Let's say a typical officer needed 2 hours a day of stored video. That would mean about 25 cents a day per officer for storage. A typical cop works maybe 60 days out of ninety so that would be about $15 per cop per year. Even if you stored video for the entire shift it would only be about $60 a year per cop.
Dam the Chicago way old Terry Hillard is doing well, wonder how much the give back via envelope and donations to democrats played into this sweet juicy contract? Psst again feds another corner another possibility!
What is the true cost of this program!
CPD and Rahm will never disclose the true, staggering cost of the storage.
Go back and search through the comments - I called out the cost of this nonsense when it was first proposed, no one listens to me about:
* Increased bandwidth
* Increased storage
* Replacement cameras
* Replacement batteries
* Replacement docking stations
* Increased need for upgraded networking equipment and cabling and connections....
Had they bothered to ask any competent IT person, they'd have known this BEFORE pissing away the $$$... But that'd cut into the fat envelopes, so here we are.
Storage is cheap the cams are where they get u each month
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Since the ACLU was behind the push for bodycams, why aren't they paying for these storage costs? BLM and Jesse can help out, if need be. It's about time these assholes put their money where their mouth is.
1/25/2019 01:45:00 PM
They are but are not. They are now worried about "privacy" issues. The cameras show the "community" and police interactions as they are and that does not fit the progressive / liberal narrative.
Follow the money......
meras.
It's the initial hook that matters. All subscription-based
or recurring contract business deals are very lucrative
I work in IT depends on the size of data. Many companies offer mass storage at a reasonable price
Sure... Vanecko data storage Inc is very reasonable.
Nothing is reasonable or legit in this city.
Who cares how much it costs it is only taxpayers money. We can always demand more, like they have a choice. Raise taxes add a few new fees increase parking see lots of ways to raise extra money. It is their money until we tell them we want it then it is our money.
Community wants cameras community gets cameras they get what they want. They don't care what it costs since they are not paying for it.
Axon has the highest rates for storage of data. They're great at giving away 'free' cameras, but they make THAT all up on the data cloud storage. Don't be fooled if you are the IT guy in charge of a bwc program for your agency. Axon has gotten very profitable from data cloud storage. And of course, you then have to dedicate people in your agency who are going to catalog all of that data by officer, watch, date, etc. and to answer all of those FOIA requests for the data that will come in by the bucketfuls.
The officers should FOIA all of their own videos everyday. That way nothing gets erased or can't be found AND, it is going to cause excruciating migraines to Admins in time and money. If they say you can't FOIA your own videos, then have your wife,girlfriend etc, to do it. You guys are missing the boat on how to strike back at the over-promoted admins.
Take a poll (survey monkey or just a click poll) and I will bet the coppers who are actually doing their job and not hiding or never turning it on are in favor of it now because it has saved them in some way or allowed for charges (Since in the new world our word no longer counts.)
Axon charges about 70-80 A MONTH for storage in evidence.com depending on the agency. We are around $75...That is per camera per month. Basically 900 a year times 4000 street officers cameras...3.6 million a year for storage. Not counting all the computer shit, ERI, IN car camera's, pods, etc.
If it weren't for crooked contracts, we would have working BWC's that were live, visual from our phones, automatically synced to the event, less cumbersome, and with our own data storage unit...Why can't we use an old City warehouse or school and turn it into a domain/server location..... Would be a lot cheaper than 3.6 a year and would be self sustaining other than software and hardware upgrades......anyway...nothing to see here...
I think drones would be a nice addition to showing the folks in action. Start selling the recordings to a cable station. The series could be called Welcome to Chicago.
The officers should FOIA all of their own videos everyday. That way nothing gets erased or can't be found AND, it is going to cause excruciating migraines to Admins in time and money. If they say you can't FOIA your own videos, then have your wife,girlfriend etc, to do it. You guys are missing the boat on how to strike back at the over-promoted admins.
1/26/2019 02:01:00 AM
This is a delightfully devious idea! Hats off to you!
rb
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think drones would be a nice addition to showing the folks in action. Start selling the recordings to a cable station. The series could be called Welcome to Chicago.
I would hope not. Not too many po’s I know would want to watch their everyday actions and encounters on the street
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