Rule 14
The Rules and Regulations of the Chicago Police Department state in part:
- In addition to the positive requirements of all the foregoing sections, the following rules
of conduct set forth expressly prohibited acts.
Rule 14: Making a false report, written or oral.
Now don't get us wrong. We are far from pure as the driven snow. We lie occasionally. Most people do...little lies that don't really mean anything in the great scheme of things. We even stretch the truth on the street with criminals and media types.
But if you're the head of a major metropolitan police department, struggling to "rebuild the trust" that so many libtarded politicians insist is "shattered" and the cause of all sorts of problems, don't you think you'd try to refrain from lying so blatantly that even the jaded media sits up and takes notice and steals stories from alternative media?
But if you're the head of a major metropolitan police department, struggling to "rebuild the trust" that so many libtarded politicians insist is "shattered" and the cause of all sorts of problems, don't you think you'd try to refrain from lying so blatantly that even the jaded media sits up and takes notice and steals stories from alternative media?
- The Chicago Police Department tonight stood by its claim that an allegedly illegal handgun that was confiscated during an arrest at 11:28 p.m. on Dec. 31st was the first gun to be confiscated on the streets of Chicago in 2019.
A police spokesman said the police report number for the case, JC100002—literally the second police case of the new year—was generated at 12:02 a.m. on New Year’s Day “making it the first police report generated for a gun arrest of 2019.”
However, during a quickly-called press conference one hour after the report number was generated, Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson repeatedly said the gun was recovered, and the related arrest was made, after midnight on New Year’s Day.
“And two minutes after the new year comes in…there you go, our first illegal weapon,” he said.
“Tactical team 363 got the first illegal weapon off the streets of Chicago at 12:02,” Johnson said another time. “Two minutes after midnight.”
Note the spin that Google-me and media affairs puts on this turd in an effort to protect Special Ed from the stupidity of Commander Bangles. Now imagine if you or we attempted this.
Labels: dumb ideas, scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
97 Comments:
Let it rain...
The entertainment is in seeing who
all gets wet...
It wasn’t done with any malicious intent.’’
When you are a superintendent or any connected party it’s ok to stretch things to suit the cause, if you are a PO with no connection
then you are getting fucked with no lube.
Special Ed is the biggest goof on the Department! Nothing is going to happen to him, Rahm and Father F. Love him.
CLOUT CORRUPTION CRONYISM the gift that keeps on giving ALL government agencies in cook county is like this sickening.
Superintendent Eddie Turd.
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
Nothing will happen to these UnNOBLE clowns!
Hopefully a new mayor will clean house of all these useless exempt clowns!
former president William "Bill" Clinton once said what is the meaning of the word "Is", and "I didn't have sex with that woman", so there you have it! nothing here, let's move on!
Lol yeah ok — as police officers we all know it’s nonsense. What time is documented on the case report for arrest? What time did officers involuntary deny his freedom!? There’s some amazing mental gymnastics being performed here. Everyone involved with this debauchery knew exactly what the plan was beforehand and what to do if a gun was recovered near midnight. Everyone on the 363 teams deserves nothing less than a sustained rule 14 to follow around their career. Disgraceful
Well is there a CR number or not? Allegation=CR
Anonymous said...
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
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But the press conference that SCC is referring to, with quotes stating “And two minutes after the new year comes in…there you go, our first illegal weapon,” he said.
“Tactical team 363 got the first illegal weapon off the streets of Chicago at 12:02,” Johnson said another time. “Two minutes after midnight.”
And the foot chase tapes at 1130 with the dispatcher reading the time of recovery out loud to cover her ass? You back Special Ed on that part?
SCC, how do you stand the stupidity here?
Isn't the 003rd Police district the very same district that got into trouble over a gun arrest made by the University of Chicago Police? As I recall some years back around 2012-2014. A whole tactical team including the Sergeant was Dumped. Some P/O's were sent to Callback, over the paperwork. Who actually arrested the Offender and the Court testimony. It was a big deal back then. The University of Chicago PD was beefing about the lack of Respect for their work and Dedication to the community. And the CPD was taking all the credit for their arrest since CPD only processed the arrest and cut them out of the paperwork and Court. Many meetings were held about this incident. The UofC had to adjust to the 003rd district. They weren't ready for the real Chicago Police department way. They were still used to the (Mayberry police) 021st district.
It's the kind of spin worthy of the Whirling Dervish.
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
1/07/2019 01:17:00 AM
Why is this hard to understand?
It matters when the arrest OCCURRED and if the arrest report says 0002 hours that’s a lie. Unless he is out of handcuffs until the RD was pulled, which i doubt.
So, who made the first gun arrest in 2019?
Rule 14 only for the little guy fuck this Dept .
Wait until this poor victim of society gets to court and his court appointed attorney points out the time discrepancy to the judge by the top police officials to get his/her honor to say DISMISSED due to code of silence.
There are 3 officers on criminal trial for providing false reports!
If it is ok for the Supe to lie, why not them?
Well, ya see, it was just a traffic stop, ya know, a Temporary detention at first. And as luck would have it, they weren't able to determine that the firearm was illegally possessed until 12:02. It was at That point when the guy was placed in to secured custody. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
1/07/2019 01:17:00 AM
This struck a nerve with me...
Good, why don't you go away and not come back. Better yet, never comment again, except for the one reply you can give to this.
Hey Asshat, you need to open your eyes and clear your mind. Reread what was written. It is not about the the number being pulled after midnight, all perfectly fine and sometimes happens.
It is about the bold face lies he stated to the public and press. BOLD FACE LIES.
Nobody needs your back because you're an asshat and the cop nobody likes in the district.
Your mom hates you because you're such an idiot.
They lied and got caught. Now they are telling a bigger lie. In April they'll say "April fool's prank". Pathetic. They are the tact team? That guy is a sargeant? This is a police department? WTF?
A lie, ie a lie, is a lie.......
This incident is the epitome of the “culture of corruption” that grips the City of Chicago government. For the top leadership not to see this as nothing more than dishonest speaks volumes. They are truly blind. We at times, are our worst enemies.
Anonymous said...
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
And the times on the arrest report not corresponding to the actual foot chase? The dss and the Lt refusing to sign off on report knowing the times were wrong? Something smells.
Big money Bags for the Super 260,000 thousands yearly, it’s not make Believe.
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
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Problem is the arrest time on the report is well after the actual arrest time of the offender and recovery of the weapon. Not off by a couple of minutes either, it's way off.
But the police department tonight said that, even though the suspect, Darrell Rhyme, was “in custody” at 11:28 p.m., “this was considered an investigatory stop. Officers needed time to determine what they were dealing with. In this case they needed to conduct a preliminary investigation into the background of the suspect, whether the gun was legal/illegal to possess, secure the offender's vehicle and interview other individuals and witnesses.”
So according to whatever moron said this, an ISR means you’re in custody. Someone please explain to these idiots what a lawful detention/investigatory stop is compared to being in custody. And if these morons want to say he was only detained on an investigatory stop from 11:28 pm until placed into custody at 12:02 am they’re even bigger morons. Over 30 minutes is not a reasonable amount of time to be detained. This case will get tossed either at prelim or the first motion. Slam dunk lawsuit as well. I’m sure Ward and the Cmdr will go down to Corp counsel to stand by their officers. Unreal.
Dog and pony show with consequences due to the BULLSHIT!
And there you have it
Leadership engaged in straight up lying not just to its members but to every citizen of the Chicagoland area.
When leadership engages in such blatant lies and cover up GugI, you damage the reputation of all of us.
Some advice FOP, reach out to all of the lads involved and get them legal representation before they testify in court. File a beef on management involved and sue each and everyone of the lying managers that orchestrated this. Dude is going to walk, idiot Eddie and all the other supervisors shouldn’t. .
Punitive damages are a must.
It’s your job FOP. Step up.
. Everyone on the 363 teams deserves nothing less than a sustained rule 14 to follow around their career.
A Rule 14 violation will kill your career. By States law your police license can be revoked. Even if not, any defense attorney will roast you on the stand. Even your case reports will be questioned.
You will lose the job.
I was fired by this Dickhead Eddie for a rule 14 that wasn't, but IPRA said it was so there you go. Count on it I will be watching this very closely.......
This isn’t a 5 minute lie, it’s a 32 minute lie. The whole story was concocted by upper level management to sensationalize a gun being removed off the street in the beginning of the new year. Who cares 2018 or 2019, the police officers did their job and now all involved have egg on their face, including the superintendent who will play dumb saying he didn’t know. The noble offenders will also get a pass. The patrol officers who made the pinch have to do the singing in court. Pathetic and embarrassing “leadership”.
Really, does anyone care anymore? Fat head eddie is running around on the new year telling the media about the first gun pinch of the year. What's wrong with that picture? There were people shot and killed that's what's wrong with his focus on a gun arrest.
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
Hey hair gel, the arrest happened before midnight. The foot chase happened before midnight. The guy with the gun was detained and weapon was recovered before midnight. It matters not one shit when the RD was generated. The time stamps for all the facts of the arrest were documented before midnight. Depending on how the arrest report was written, if all these facts are different than the case report and times don’t match, these officer blatantly violated rule 14. If this guy’s defense attorney can even read, this case is being thrown out. If the defense attorney is compentent at all he can get these officers lying on the stand too. And the civil lawsuit is going to be open and shut against these officers too.
And for what? A press conference? Fuck. That. Fuck these bosses. They’ll parade you for a dog and pony show then throw you to the wolves when things go south.
These officers did this to themselves. If you want to run and gun, that’s fine. You better know how to do your damn job though. Pretty simple stuff like how to write a report and what all these fancy times mean in real life. This is not a game, you will be fucked over and if you don’t know what you’re doing you’ll be left holding the bag when all the bosses walk away squeaky clean yet again.
Learn your damn job and learn how to tell a boss no when they are wrong or the old classic of saying in writing which boss ordered you do it.
Been retired almost 20 years (roll your eyes), but, for you Monday morning quarterbacks, house mice, and do nothing habitual complainers; the states attorney would ask you "On OR about 0002 hrs., 01 Jan 2019, in the vicinity of whatever, what happened or whatever. So, for you nit pickers out there, go make a arrest, attend court, and broaden your knowledge.
"What difference, at this point, does it matter?" Yes it does matter.
A real news reporter would follow this case through the court system to see how silly it is.
Fire those tactical rangers. Most not all White shirts won’t back you.
I have more questions than answers...
It’s all about the stat. They don’t care what happens in court later on. All that matters is the silly bar graph at comstat. That’s how you get a merit promotion
So, what are Box 1 and Box 2 going to say under oath at the probable cause hearing? How bout in Room 406?
But the press conference that SCC is referring to, with quotes stating “And two minutes after the new year comes in…there you go, our first illegal weapon,” he said.
“Tactical team 363 got the first illegal weapon off the streets of Chicago at 12:02,” Johnson said another time. “Two minutes after midnight.”
And the foot chase tapes at 1130 with the dispatcher reading the time of recovery out loud to cover her ass? You back Special Ed on that part?
SCC, how do you stand the stupidity here?
Hey stupid, it doesn’t matter what special ed says, he’s not the one going to court on this case and a news conference is just that and not evidence. The officers will go to court and testify the arrest was at 2330 but they didn’t pull the RD until after midnight. Apparently some people don’t understand how Court and trials work.
fucken hypocrites beter shove there ethic training up there ass
Bold faced lie
Eddie and sarge should be suspended
Looks like COPA isn’t an independent agency ?
CBS news , real story is the 3 man crews that change burnt out street lights in Chicago .
Follow them , work day , maybe 3 or 4 hours a day
Driver does little , one operates cherry picker , one changes bulb .
Long lunches, travel time to and from shop , coffee break .
That is the reason we have no lights for a week in Mount Greenwood.
Look into it miss victory , you could be the next Walter Jacobson , Mike royko , John kass
Real investigative reporters.
There is no Rule 14 in the Exempt Rule book.
Anonymous at 0117hrs, go back to sleep. This has nothing to do with the RD# being pulled after midnight. That happens all the time and means nothing. The point is saying the incident happened 2min after midnight when it was actually 30min before
So Special Ed made a sport of this.
First gun recovery arrest, first dope arrest, first curfew, first ISR, first DUI, first desk run, the challenge goes on.
No quotas, just a list of firsts and participation awards.
Let’s not forget about the the fact that an illustrious tactical team was actually out after and available after 2200hrs is a feat worth mentioning. First time for that this year too.
I’d like to know little more about what led to the arrest in the first place.
We all know when “freedoms are impeded” and arrest begins. Maybe Special Ed forgot.
So what was it, a traffic stop, just standing around street stop, letting a few go before the midnight rush of reveling, random activity sourcing headhunting, etc.
This preplanned stunt has so many holes in it and so ripe for ramifications.
The more they broadcast this showboating stunt by Special Ed the more it looks like the civil lawsuits will fly - and settled fast.
I’m sure el’ COPA has a file started.
Besides SpecialEd touting another gun recovery (arrest) what has he done about the all the gun toting feral getting sent home on i Bonds and repeating the offense the next few days or so?
Shouldn’t he or somebody be highlighting the lack of prosecutions since his cousin was first elected CookCo States Activist?
No, he’s on the way out, just 3 months to solidify that pension bump.
Cake and Coffee this stoolie already.
In other rumours:
I heard the Special Fenners and Merited others took the Command Staff / Bird Box Challenge over the weekend.
The birds in the box won, and they were blindfolded.
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything
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It does in CRIMINAL COURT. When you are fabricating times, what else are you fabricating. A smart lawyer will ask for a jury trial and afterwards 12 morons will agree that the CPD officers conspired to trump up that arrestee.
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
1/07/2019 01:17:00 AM
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Are you drinking at the early hour you posted?
You do understand the idea here was about physically making the 1st gun arrest/gun confiscation AFTER 0001hrs don't you?
Johnson should demote, and rule 14 the Commander, for reporting to him that the gun was recovered after midnight. To do less or nothing at all will only further diminish the already abysmal morale of "The Backbone" patrol officer, that he continually pushes for more, while elevating the corrupt phonies and criminals who blame "the police" for crime and criminal behavior. Only a Blue shirts are ever held accountable. But hey she was a LIE tenant.
Just playing devils advocate, does pulling a rd # after midnight give you a JC or JB rd #? If so did they make the occurrence time 31 dec at 2330 and correct arrest time, Could that be what occurred? cause if so, then it’s just Ed lying to the media and the coppers did everything fine. Shouldn’t be problem
Don’t go to court on this one and take the deviation.
There should eb some type of rule for this passing out seats to your family like many do:
Lang: Hasn’t talked with daughter about his House seat — but she’s free to apply
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/rep-lou-lang-resigns-illinois-house-joins-political-firm/
He says his daughter is free to apply but he is taking peoples names, yea morons waste of time like the rest of the corruption, unless your connected you waste your time! Have you noticed how the heads of state police have all been connected cpd bosses drawing a huge pension and taking over isp! Makes the troopers feel like they are unqualified as they keep bringing in Chicago retreads!
The arrest has nothing to do with what the new Fast Eddy said at a news conference. He's just blowing smoke up everyone ass. It all has to do with whats on the tape,video and the paper.If the hard chargers say they arrested him at 1130 and they write it up that way and testify to that its no problem. It also doesn't matter what time the RD was pulled. The merit bosses on the dept can say anything they want with no repercussions but if we sneeze in the wrong direction lookout. When asked by the states attorney at prep before trial tell the truth. When asked to explain what Fast Eddy said tell them to subpoena him and let him explain himself. Your answer is I can't and won't answer for him.
“Your mom hates you because you're such an idiot.“
I’m not the commenter this person was referring to and have no part in this. I just felt the need to say, wow, that escalated quickly hahaha fantastic.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
"Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled
after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything..."
****
"But the press conference that SCC is referring to, with quotes stating
"And two minutes after the new year comes in...""
"Tactical team 363 got the first illegal weapon off the streets
of Chicago at 12:02,” Johnson said..."
"And the foot chase tapes at 1130 with the dispatcher
reading the time of recovery out loud to cover her ass?
You back Special Ed on that part?
SCC, how do you stand the stupidity here?"
1/07/2019 04:49:00 AM
CPD Exempt/City Hall sourced stupidity is very much par
for the course and SCC, with the able assistance of the
"all seeing eyes" and "spirits of the air" do ALL that
is humanly possible to lay said stupidity out for all
to see...
...Like some big, stretched out, skid marked, funky-assed
drawers laid out on public display sunny-fucking-side-up...
And the City Hall enabled CPD exempts gone all to pieces
into a full blown panic over having their drawers laid out
by the blue shirted peons no longer being good sports about
being repeatedly peed on to prop and promote the self-served
CPD exempt premise of "We're all BLUE (Until it doesn't serve
OUR purpose/fit OUR narrative)."
>Pause<
"We're all BLUE..."
If such were actually so,
things would NOT be as they are.
Too many of the most one-way m/fers have benefited
for far too long...
Here's hoping that the FEDS actually DO
drop a brick shit-shack from high altitude
smack bang through the roof of that riotously
reeking whore house at 3510 S. Michigan Av.
and that there are NO survivors.
>Surveying wreckage...
Long, low whistle and slow-clap of approval<
Just a bunch of crooked-assed, curled toe shoes
on the wrong feet sticking from underneath the rubble
in a big-assed quarter mile hole punched into the ground.
Heh... Let Cholly Williams come back
and be in charge of THAT.
>Urk!<
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Look.
Point & Laugh.
Leave.
Reality is always better than a “ feel good” bullshit story. Come on guys... everything is on tape or camera! The ole “r/o was directed by xxx to generate report” isn’t gonna save you.
I agree that it is bullshit that they said the gun was recovered in 2019 when it was in 2018 but the time the RD number is obtained doesn't mean a thing. How often do we get an RD well after the fact. Does the date on the report say 2018 or 2019??? Now that could be a problem.
The brass in 003 encourage this stuff. Commander bangles on down. Sgts RJ and JG on midnights have ppos and fresh off probation kids believing the department has their back , brass has their back, kidney bean has their back. Just go out and get these numbers, you’ll make tac , you can write warrants , have an 06 spot. Well the tac guys are know it all liars , the warrants are clusterfucks and fruitless (wrong doors are commonplace) and the 06 cars are clueless 2 year wonders.
I had a commander tell me at one time, " The general Orders are Orders for you. For the command staff they are guidelines". And, I really think they believe this. I can't tell you how many times I have heard a gold star miss state department orders or policies. Many of them are ignorant of these. That is why they are " merit" promotees. And, then add the fact that the merit promotees are sponsored by, ( most likely) someone powerful, so they have no worries about blowback.
Anonymous said...
Been retired almost 20 years (roll your eyes), but, for you Monday morning quarterbacks, house mice, and do nothing habitual complainers; the states attorney would ask you "On OR about 0002 hrs., 01 Jan 2019, in the vicinity of whatever, what happened or whatever. So, for you nit pickers out there, go make a arrest, attend court, and broaden your knowledge
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Sorry old-timer, but that no longer applies. You were able to testify to vagueness. Today, the judges, asa’s, PD’s, and juries demand exactness. Be happy you were able to be the police in the era you did
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything.
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It does in CRIMINAL COURT. When you are fabricating times, what else are you fabricating. A smart lawyer will ask for a jury trial and afterwards 12 morons will agree that the CPD officers conspired to trump up that arrestee.
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Yeah Right! Tell that to the coppers when the lawsuit comes down. Because that Same Smart Lawyer is going to get a nice pay day after dragging those coppers name through the mud while nothing will happen to Johnson and all his fellow white shirts.
Hey does anyone have Ed Burke’s cell phone number. I’d like to give him a call and offer to pay for a spot at the fbi task force.
If only Ed Burke has placed one of his lacky officers at the fbi public corruption squad. He was never smart enough to be a policeman. LOL
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CBS news , real story is the 3 man crews that change burnt out street lights in Chicago .
Follow them , work day , maybe 3 or 4 hours a day
Driver does little , one operates cherry picker , one changes bulb .
Long lunches, travel time to and from shop , coffee break .
That is the reason we have no lights for a week in Mount Greenwood.
Look into it miss victory , you could be the next Walter Jacobson , Mike royko , John kass
Real investigative reporters.
1/07/2019 01:10:00 PM
Maybe star a Second City Lightbulb Changer blog? That's where things like this would belong.
Anonymous said...
Isn't the 003rd Police district the very same district that got into trouble over a gun arrest made by the University of Chicago Police? As I recall some years back around 2012-2014. A whole tactical team including the Sergeant was Dumped. Some P/O's were sent to Callback, over the paperwork. Who actually arrested the Offender and the Court testimony. It was a big deal back then. The University of Chicago PD was beefing about the lack of Respect for their work and Dedication to the community. And the CPD was taking all the credit for their arrest since CPD only processed the arrest and cut them out of the paperwork and Court. Many meetings were held about this incident. The UofC had to adjust to the 003rd district. They weren't ready for the real Chicago Police department way. They were still used to the (Mayberry police) 021st district.
1/07/2019 05:08:00 AM
Yep, the University of Chicago PD made a gun arrest. Sgt EB and his team falsified the arrest paperwork and stole the arrest. A couple of officers were fired, including Sgt. EB who was forced out. The shit hit the fan when bipolar former CPD commander John Doty, stormed into 003 and yelled and threatened then Commander Chris Fletcher.
The female officer involved went to court and had a nervous breakdown over this case.
“Monday morning quarterbacks”
Dear Retired Twenty years ago.
The “hook or crook” days are over. The .. we’re short curfews open up the phone book days are over. And further more any half ass attorney is going to hammer away at the times. And FYI Officers have lost their jobs lying about location of arrests. You know, make sure it’s in our district so we don’t have to ask permission ? Etc.... Now go back and take a nap.
Anonymous said...
Been retired almost 20 years (roll your eyes), but, for you Monday morning quarterbacks, house mice, and do nothing habitual complainers; the states attorney would ask you "On OR about 0002 hrs., 01 Jan 2019, in the vicinity of whatever, what happened or whatever. So, for you nit pickers out there, go make a arrest, attend court, and broaden your knowledge.
1/07/2019 10:28:00 AM
It does in CRIMINAL COURT. When you are fabricating times, what else are you fabricating. A smart lawyer will ask for a jury trial and afterwards 12 morons will agree that the CPD officers conspired to trump up that arrestee.
What are you talking about? You do realize that when doing a report just because the RD is listed as being pulled 30 min after the arrest occurred it doesn’t mean anything. The case report and arrest report still reflect the arrest occurring 31 dec at 2330 hrs. There is no lie other than Ed being lied to by 003rd district supervisors. The case and POs will be fine. A “smart lawyer”, is that a oxymoron? Their paper is fine. They can explain how the arrest was used as a PR stunt by the department but there was no fabrication. Get your facts straight and know how to complete a AIRA report before you open your mouth.
If the officers testify when the arrest actually occurred they’re be doing the right thing for themselves, the hell with the brass who wanted the dog and pony show based on this arrest. If the officers go with the brass and testify to correspond with the press conference them shame on them and don’t expect any benefit parties.
Anonymous said...
“Monday morning quarterbacks”
Dear Retired Twenty years ago.
The “hook or crook” days are over. The .. we’re short curfews open up the phone book days are over. And further more any half ass attorney is going to hammer away at the times. And FYI Officers have lost their jobs lying about location of arrests. You know, make sure it’s in our district so we don’t have to ask permission ? Etc.... Now go back and take a nap.
Anonymous said...
Been retired almost 20 years (roll your eyes), but, for you Monday morning quarterbacks, house mice, and do nothing habitual complainers; the states attorney would ask you "On OR about 0002 hrs., 01 Jan 2019, in the vicinity of whatever, what happened or whatever. So, for you nit pickers out there, go make a arrest, attend court, and broaden your knowledge.
1/07/2019 10:28:00 AM
Please tell me you have something better than the "on or about..." Please tell me you have something that will hold up during an IAD investigation, and other court proceedings. In court everything comes into play. For example the supt stating "first gun arrest", reports refelcting such yet all equipment and comMunication time stamps reflect another time. And the DSS and desk sgt refused to approve the false reports. So your ancient argument is invalid. We have new tools now big guy, and those tools don't lie.
OT
The Captain merit board is meeting Tues-Wed-Thurs this week to go over the Captain SES applications only passing those they find qualified on to the Supt for interviews. They don’t have a hair on their A$$ if they don’t disqualify the LIEtenants from consideration.
This sets a terrible example. If senior police management can bend the truth, what about the rank and file?
“Anonymous Anonymous said...
“Monday morning quarterbacks”
Dear Retired Twenty years ago.
The “hook or crook” days are over. The .. we’re short curfews open up the phone book days are over. And further more any half ass attorney is going to hammer away at the times. And FYI Officers have lost their jobs lying about location of arrests. You know, make sure it’s in our district so we don’t have to ask permission ? Etc.... Now go back and take a nap.”
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You’re nuts. You can use any time you want from the time idiot wasn’t free to go until the time he’s booked for a time of arrest. You know why? Because it doesn’t matter. Call whatever time you want between the time you stopped dumbass with a gun and the time you charge him in CLEAR for the time of arrest. It doesn’t matter. The time matters more if it’s a DUI arrest in making sure there are 20 minutes of observation before the blow. You could say the time of arrest is one minute before observation began if you wanted to. No one cares.
I know you guys really hate this super and will bitch about him incessantly like you have every super before, but you are really hanging your hat on the wrong hook in this case. No one has perjured themselves, lied, or done anything wrong. You know what you should be doing? Telling the guys who stopped a scumbag with a gun that they did a good job. The super calling attention to your gun arrest was to praise you. You can’t even take that without turning into bitching session.
The blind hatred in this department is astounding. You’ll even incorrectly break the balls of a retired guy - who is right in this case. Jesus Christ I’ve never seen more people that hate their lives more than in these comments.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CBS news , real story is the 3 man crews that change burnt out street lights in Chicago .
Follow them , work day , maybe 3 or 4 hours a day
Driver does little , one operates cherry picker , one changes bulb .
Long lunches, travel time to and from shop , coffee break .
That is the reason we have no lights for a week in Mount Greenwood.
Look into it miss victory , you could be the next Walter Jacobson , Mike royko , John kass
Real investigative reporters.
Each guy is in a different union and has a different "job description." Guess you should've called Burke for a job before settling for our job. Worry about yourself, not what everyone else is doing. You must be the guy watching everybody else come and go and whine about their breaks because you aren't smart enough to make this job work for you.
Been retired almost 20 years (roll your eyes), but, for you Monday morning quarterbacks, house mice, and do nothing habitual complainers; the states attorney would ask you "On OR about 0002 hrs., 01 Jan 2019, in the vicinity of whatever, what happened or whatever. So, for you nit pickers out there, go make a arrest, attend court, and broaden your knowledge.
Sorry smart ass but you left way before the computer age.
When the ASA states "On or about" they are not talking about a half hour. They are using that verbiage in case the defense attorney nit picks the times in minutes, not hours.
Enjoy your retirement....I've got 5 years then max, I really don't see myself reading or even worse commenting on the blog...no offense to the blog.
Find a hobby, read books....EXPAND YOUR MIND
Its amusing that this department has sunk so low as to feel the need to make headlines with the first gun arrest of the year. Are they trying to compete with the first baby born in the new year headlines? Just keeps getting more ridiculous by the day.
Only thing that matters is the time of arrest and time listed as time of incident. Time that the RD was generated is irrelevant. If they waiting until after midnight to pull an RD it doesnt matter. Even time of arrest isn't that important most of the time unless showups, 48 hours custody or sequence of events is important. Time of arrest is whatever is on the pcad. Not the paper really.
You’re nuts. You can use any time you want from the time idiot wasn’t free to go until the time he’s booked for a time of arrest. You know why? Because it doesn’t matter. Call whatever time you want between the time you stopped dumbass with a gun and the time you charge him in CLEAR for the time of arrest. It doesn’t matter. The time matters more if it’s a DUI arrest in making sure there are 20 minutes of observation before the blow. You could say the time of arrest is one minute before observation began if you wanted to. No one cares.
I know you guys really hate this super and will bitch about him incessantly like you have every super before, but you are really hanging your hat on the wrong hook in this case. No one has perjured themselves, lied, or done anything wrong. You know what you should be doing? Telling the guys who stopped a scumbag with a gun that they did a good job. The super calling attention to your gun arrest was to praise you. You can’t even take that without turning into bitching
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You CANNOT use any time you want, you MUST use the time the offender was not free to go, you want to know why....because we now have a 48 hour rule in which the offender MUST either be charged or RWOC.
Long gone are are the days that you could lock a suspect in a room for a week, with the lights on, without food, and without bathroom breaks.
Anyone who retired mother than 15 years ago should avoid comparing the policing they were allowed to do to the policing today
Remember when Cline "ran up the stairs" to make the first gun arrest on New Years Eve?
Anonymous said...
Don’t go to court on this one and take the deviation.
1/07/2019 04:00:00 P
And you think it would not be continued?
What Superintendent numbnuts say in a news conference and what is written on the reports and said in court are quite different.
No malicious intent. It appears they are taking a page out of the Comey/She Devil Hillary wipe the server , with like a cloth book.
How many rule 14 violations did not trigger 30 days pending?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
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The Captain merit board is meeting Tues-Wed-Thurs this week to go over the Captain SES applications only passing those they find qualified on to the Supt for interviews. They don’t have a hair on their A$$ if they don’t disqualify the LIEtenants from consideration.
Do you really believe that will happen?
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything
I think everyone blasting this guy is misunderstanding him, because he is misunderstanding SSC. I think (and hope) he means the same thing that everyone else is saying, that it doesn’t matter that the RD was pulled after midnight, because the arrest occurred well before midnight.
Cant we all just come together and congradulate Eddie on the “First Lie” of the new year.
Eddie said the tact guys knew the offender (multiple convicted felon). So when he ran with the gun and got caught, their is no other 32 minutes investigation that needs to be done prior to his arrest. Whatever anonymous person is trying to defend this blatant lie on arrest time, weapon recovery time and transport time is obviously involved and is trying to create a half ass out for themselves. Sorry, everybody that had a part in this embarsing glorified fiasco is an idiot.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
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The Captain merit board is meeting Tues-Wed-Thurs this week to go over the Captain SES applications only passing those they find qualified on to the Supt for interviews. They don’t have a hair on their A$$ if they don’t disqualify the LIEtenants from consideration.
1/07/2019 09:08:00 PM
This makes a difference why?
I've seen criminal cases dismissed, and civil lawsuits settled or lost by the city, for lesser conduct than what Hanna, Ward and others engaged in.
They have problems. I was a working officer for over 25 years all over the city. I lived in branch 25 , branch 35 and 38; branch 48 and 34, gun court, an night narcotics courts. So I'm not a desk riding Monday morning quarterback.
Wow, look at their grandstanding photo on CWB
Anonymous said...
It does in CRIMINAL COURT. When you are fabricating times, what else are you fabricating. A smart lawyer will ask for a jury trial and afterwards 12 morons will agree that the CPD officers conspired to trump up that arrestee.
What are you talking about? You do realize that when doing a report just because the RD is listed as being pulled 30 min after the arrest occurred it doesn’t mean anything. The case report and arrest report still reflect the arrest occurring 31 dec at 2330 hrs. There is no lie other than Ed being lied to by 003rd district supervisors. The case and POs will be fine. A “smart lawyer”, is that a oxymoron? Their paper is fine. They can explain how the arrest was used as a PR stunt by the department but there was no fabrication. Get your facts straight and know how to complete a AIRA report before you open your mouth.
1/07/2019 08:36:00 PM
The arrest report in reflect the arrest occurring on 01 Jan 2019 at 0002 hrs, idiot
You CANNOT use any time you want, you MUST use the time the offender was not free to go, you want to know why....because we now have a 48 hour rule in which the offender MUST either be charged or RWOC.
Long gone are are the days that you could lock a suspect in a room for a week, with the lights on, without food, and without bathroom breaks.
Anyone who retired mother than 15 years ago should avoid comparing the policing they were allowed to do to the policing today
1/08/2019 07:06:00 AM
You can detain somebody, they are not under arrest and are not free to go. You arrest somebody when YOU determine that you have probable cause. That is the time they are under arrest, not when you first stopped them or when you pulled the RD number.
This whole thing sounds like it being blown out of proportion. Im sure Car 3 told the OEMC to notify him of the first 143A pulled and that is when this all got put into motion. A press conference was most likely already scheduled before the they got their facts straight. People who most likely fucked up here Sup and his staff and the 3rd Commander/Captain by being so far removed from the street that they did not think to confirm with 363 what time the arrest actually occurred.
Please tell me you have something better than the "on or about..." Please tell me you have something that will hold up during an IAD investigation, and other court proceedings. In court everything comes into play. For example the supt stating "first gun arrest", reports refelcting such yet all equipment and comMunication time stamps reflect another time. And the DSS and desk sgt refused to approve the false reports. So your ancient argument is invalid. We have new tools now big guy, and those tools don't lie.
1/07/2019 08:53:00 PM
The DSS and the desk sgt are the same person, so your ill informed argument is invalid.
You CANNOT use any time you want, you MUST use the time the offender was not free to go, you want to know why....because we now have a 48 hour rule in which the offender MUST either be charged or RWOC.
Long gone are are the days that you could lock a suspect in a room for a week, with the lights on, without food, and without bathroom breaks.
Anyone who retired mother than 15 years ago should avoid comparing the policing they were allowed to do to the policing today
1/08/2019 07:06:00 AM
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I’m sorry, I didn’t think I had to clarify that the time isn’t so important when you are making an on-view gun arrest where the 48 hours won’t apply, because whether the scumbag gives a statement or not it doesn’t matter, you caught him with the gun in his hand and he’s being charged. And if he isn’t (it is Cook County after all) you’re going to know that way before 47 hours, or 47.5 hours. Thank you for your astute observation as to when “it counts.” It didn’t count for this, and they knew it, so they made some positive PR for the cops. Again, you would find fault with that any way you could, because you hate your boss and your job. Not everyone is as new to police work as you think, or so old that rules were bent or ignored. Some of us know the job. An announcement at a press conference doesn’t mean shit. Johnson wasn’t the arresting officer. When they ask the cops what was the time of the stop, as long as they are truthful there is no violation of any sort. Try to get that through your heads instead of whining about a super trying to call some attention to the good work of the cops.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Remember when Cline "ran up the stairs" to make the first gun arrest on New Years Eve?
1/08/2019 07:39:00 AM
It was an escalator
Anonymous said...
Please tell me you have something better than the "on or about..." Please tell me you have something that will hold up during an IAD investigation, and other court proceedings. In court everything comes into play. For example the supt stating "first gun arrest", reports refelcting such yet all equipment and comMunication time stamps reflect another time. And the DSS and desk sgt refused to approve the false reports. So your ancient argument is invalid. We have new tools now big guy, and those tools don't lie.
1/07/2019 08:53:00 PM
The DSS and the desk sgt are the same person, so your ill informed argument is invalid.
1/08/2019 08:49:00 PM
My apologies, the WOL and the DSS. Is it valid again? How about the first arrest of the year, is that still valid?
Blogger GEU said...
Sorry SCC, can’t back you on this one. RD number being pulled after midnight for a pre midnight arrest doesn’t mean anything
I think everyone blasting this guy is misunderstanding him, because he is misunderstanding SSC. I think (and hope) he means the same thing that everyone else is saying, that it doesn’t matter that the RD was pulled after midnight, because the arrest occurred well before midnight.
1/08/2019 10:57:00 AM
Exactly. The physical time of arrest and recovery of the weapon is the actual time . Not the made up time. It sounds like 363 team was trying to do the right thing and was waylaid by the grandstanding, publicity and promotion hogging commander and lieutenants.
The fact the WOL and the DSS would not sign off on the arrests, and the tact sergeant and tact lieutenants did so instead is a big red flag.
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