Big Oops
Great job by the ATF again:
- ATF agents across the country have been working to track down thousands of guns and firearms parts that had been seized by law enforcement and were supposed to be destroyed but were stolen first, according to sources familiar with the effort.
The agents are searching for some of their own retired service weapons as well as guns from other federal law enforcement agencies, including the FBI and DEA.
All of the weapons had been sent to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' National Firearms and Ammunition Destruction Branch in Martinsburg, West Virginia, to be shredded, according to court documents and congressional letters.
A longtime guard at the ATF facility has admitted to carting off thousands of firearms, gun parts and ammunition and selling them over several years.
- According to the report, a contract security guard at the facility has been stealing federal property since 2016, including automatic rifles, semi-automatic handguns, Glock slides, magazines, and scopes. The ATF is being cagey about how many firearms the guard stole, but his plea agreement indicates that he nabbed at least 3,000 Glock slides, over 4,000 firearm parts, fifteen rifles, eighty handguns, and nine NFA Class III firearms.
The ATF hasn’t said how many of the firearms and parts it has recovered, but the Journal Sentinel reports that the stolen firearms have been recovered across the country, in Mexico and the Caribbean, and at crime scenes. All 25 ATF field offices have been tasked with recovering the firearms.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
67 Comments:
quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
-- Juvenal
Too cheap to assign sworn law enforcement to this?
That's the way it should be
So ATF is putting guns back on the street because they didn’t want to pay for a reliable sworn agent. Unbelievable!
ATF just piggy backs on CPD, they don’t do shit!
I seriously don't know what to say..
This would not be a problem if the lovely ATF would merely donate all items to the NRA.
The NRA could then distribute to the impoverished the means to avail themselves of their Constitutional Rights.
The NRA would be much, much more trustworthy to determine the fitness of both each individual item and the recipients thereof.
This policy of automatic destruction of still useful tools is blatantly elitist!!!
Why, many good homes are awaiting the opportunity to adopt one of these misused, abused and misunderstood tools, of which none are to blame for their aforementioned misuseage.
Waste not, want not.
Is this the “Gun Show Loophole” liberals talk about ????
Oops?
What does the atf do?
"The mission of ATF is to protect communities from violent criminals, criminal organizations, the illegal use and trafficking of firearms, the illegal use and storage of explosives, acts of arson and bombings, acts of terrorism, and the illegal diversion of alcohol and tobacco products.Sep 9, 2014
Department of Justice (.gov) › jmd"
The premier law enforcement agency for firearms and they can't keep track of the firearms in their facility. And hiring outside security to guard the place was their first mistake. Why didn't they have sworn ATF agents securing the place. Everybody that worked there should be fired for allowing this to happen. Will we hear next of Mexician Cartel members working in the DEA inventory & recovered narcotics facility?
There has been a billboard in Englewood for years showing a White man in an orange jumpsuit with the tag along the lines of: “Buy a Gun for Those That Can’t and Buy Yourself 15 Years in Jail”. This guy steals a fuckin arsenal and is looking at a max of 20 years. Must not fit the narrative
What is it with the feds, they can’t seem to keep ahold of their weapons. I believe it was 2 summers ago, it happened twice in about a month where some dill hole FBI super cop left a god damn armory in his vehicle which was then stolen. Jesus Christ guys, I know CPD fucks up constantly, but we can manage to (for the most part from what I’ve observed) keep hold of our weapons.
It wasn't thousands of guns. It was slightly over one hundred guns. The Nine NFA guns are probably the worst, as full auto weapons are NFA. So are short barreled shotguns and rifles.
I wonder what the other 4000 parts were? Barrels and hand guards (no biggie) or drop in autosears?
I know someone who bought some of those pistol parts- were sold on eBay. Dominion Defense i believe the Company name was. ATF from Downers Grove stopped by his house to retrieve the parts, they got his info from Paypal.
Military routinely sells sensitve items for scrap that must be scrapped by winning bidder on-site and supervised. Stuff like armored vehicles and such. Sytems are already in place for these type if sales. Somebody sure screwed the pooch.
Unlike municipal or state law enforcement, Federal Agencies, especially under Democrat Administrations are Above the Law. This incident is known as a "Gun Walking" disaster , and not the first by ATF. In 2009 the ATF purchased and distributed at least 2,000 firearms to Mexican Cartels under an Operation called "Fast and Furious". The weapons were supposed to have concealed GPS devices so they could be tracked and the Cartel gunmen located. However, the brilliant bureaucrats behind the scheme, failed to take into account the battery life of the GPS devices, so thousands of firearms went Unaccounted! The Attorney General at the time was the Racist, Eric Holder, and he was brought before congress, and held in Contempt for his failure to cooperate. Last week, Uncle Joe Biden said the Obama Administration had No Scandals, he apparently forgot this one. Some of the weapons have turned up in homicides on both sides of the Border. One of these weapons killed a U.S. Federal Agent, and another may have been used in the murder of a second Federal Agent. The weapons have been found at the scenes of literally Hundreds of shootings and homicides in Mexico, by Fast and Furious weapons have further strained relations between Mexico and the U.S. NOBODY IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION LOST THEIR JOB OR WENT TO JAIL OVER THIS ABUSE OF POWER. The individual in the Blog cited case was a Contractual employee, so he is expendable and will be punished and made an example. Never Forget: There are Different Rules for Different People. Stay Safe. Baby "G"
SCC, I know this is OT, but too good not to share.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2019/6/22/18701155/priest-michael-pfleger-says-yo-yo-ma-concert-cancels-farrakhan-speech-anti-semitic-st-sabina
Father Michael Pfleger tells Sneed there’s been new fallout stemming from Minister Louis Farrakhan’s incendiary speech last month at St. Sabina Church, which drew rabid criticism from members of the Jewish community for “anti-Semitic” remarks.
Renowned cellist Yo-Yo Ma’s third annual St. Sabina Concert for Peace sponsored by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and initially scheduled for Saturday night was canceled two weeks ago, according to Pfleger.
“This was an event that was supposed to draw people together,” said Pfleger.
“This had been a two-year-in-a-row concert, a celebration of love and unity and peace. I am very hurt and disturbed this happened,” said Pfleger.
Good job guys.
Too cheap to assign sworn law enforcement to this?
You’re absolutely right this would have never happened in a million years if a sworn officer was guarding the weapons. Never has there been a sworn LEO who turned out to be a thief. Just looked at our merit promoted honorable Lietenants, they never cheated, lied or stole a promotion.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC, I know this is OT, but too good not to share.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2019/6/22/18701155/priest-michael-pfleger-says-yo-yo-ma-concert-cancels-farrakhan-speech-anti-semitic-st-sabina
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It's about time e eryone woke up to these real racist thugs: fat mouth faker and fake a con, along with their merry band of fire foul mouth liars, like jerkson, sharptongue, pooprah, etc.
Im sick of all the real haters.
I'll see you, and raise you 20 handguns and 15 rifles...
Ma actually buys a ticket for the cello and it sits beside
him on the airplane. It's priceless. I think he's more worried
about the instrument. We've scared another one off.
Not like it's the first time ATF has "lost" weapons
Farrakan woke Ma
This concert was attended by people from all ZIP codes,
said Faker. I heard Ma planted a few trees, then left.
No doubt this is Farralash. Why should Ma do a concert
for Peace when there's a pit bull in town?
Reminds me of the Johnny Cash song about the auto
worker who sneaked parts out of the plant to build a
multi-year-model car.
Contract security? Mmmm-hmmm...
Lotsa hardware. They never gave the guy a yearly
polygraph?
Sanctions need to be put on Farrakhan
Respect the Yo-Yo
Heard he might be related to Eric Holder. But what do i know.
Saw a rare photo of Ma posing with Fa-Fa-Faker. Mike wearing
his priest suit. He's a camelion. Pork Chop Louie drove off world
class talent. Take heed other Chicago leaders. I'm talking about
Mr. Smollett.
Contract security?
One man managed to drive him away.
What does that say?
Farrakhan, are you listening? Do you care?
Mr. Ma can play anywhere. Why should he come here?
This post Big Oops managed to turn into a debate
over firearm diversion and artist repulsion
Need a FOIA of ATF asking the locations where these stolen guns and parts have been recovered?
I will bet my retirement check the Criminal area called Cook County had a few!
I retired from the firearms lab and we had plenty of serial numbers come through that were traced to gun destructions outside of City!
They have been hiding these stolen firearms cases since many of these weapons have been used in reported crimes!
But now it makes sense why ATF would not reply to gun inquiries on certain cases? It may have been weapons ATF already seized.
Let's flip this. Would people from all zip codes come to hear
Mr. Farrakhan speak?
Obviously the only answer is more gun laws for the Law abiding working guy.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atf-agents-looking-for-guns-and-glock-parts-stolen-and-sold-by-guard/ar-AACPeCd#page=2
Trump needs to drain the swamp of top Obama ATF management holdovers.
Think of the money we'll save if we get contract security to guard our firearms. Minimum wage no background check people are just as reliable as federal employees, who've had background checks.
O.T. I stopped reading page 4 of the slum ti.es.
Nothing but press releases for the 14th ward alderman, and his tools (particularly the Comptroller who got married at said alderman's home).
Father faker.
The ex governor responsible for killing the kids.
The various bishops of Chicago, particularly the socialist.
I can't even say their names.
Good news for P.C. Louie. Pork is not available in Iran.
Guns & Music. I'm expecting Axel Rose anytime soon.
Will L.F. be casting out any demons at the Stones concert?
BTW Louie, what do you do to relax, to chill?
Disturbed or mentally disturbed? Is there any other kind?
There’s a reason the BATFE has gotten the nickname of “F-Troop”. That’s what we called it even before the Waco disaster.
Younger readers should look up “F-Troop, TV show” to understand the reference.
Yes, this is another good reason why we have to put the Federal government in charge of our health care. They do such a fantastic job at every task given them.
nonymous said...
What is it with the feds, they can’t seem to keep ahold of their weapons. I believe it was 2 summers ago, it happened twice in about a month where some dill hole FBI super cop left a god damn armory in his vehicle which was then stolen. Jesus Christ guys, I know CPD fucks up constantly, but we can manage to (for the most part from what I’ve observed) keep hold of our weapons.
6/24/2019 01:06:00 AM
When I was working in 007, i just parked my car in the lot late at night . I noticed a small duffel type bag on the ground next to what obviously was a law enforcement sedan. I looked inside and there was a radio, two handguns and a fully automatic short barreled rifle along with a dozen or more magazines. I picked it up and walked into the station. At the desk where three ATF agents. It was their bag and they forgot about it. It makes you wonder about what these guys are thinking. I have known some ATF in the past and worked with some and I thought them to be great guys and very good at what they do.
Privatization and associated hiring standards.
It’s how every gubmint agency and major companies succumb to political pressure to create “jobs”.
Whether it’s UPS, Amazon, contracted shippers, rental car facilities and even the railroads have seen unheard amounts of property loss.
There are certain places and things that random civilians just can’t be trusted with.
Funny how we have civilian lockup keepers, property custodians, record snooping accountability investigators, yet only sworn CAPS desk clerks.
Would the real Semites, Caucasian, Celtic, Germanic and Scandinavian people's please stand up. This is identity theft!
Dare I tell you the Truth who you are ?
Scopes? Why destroy scopes or magazines? Sounds like ATF was doing some fundraising on the side and didn't know Gock slides are serialized, not just frame.
Glock slides and lower parts kit are prime commodity because a $100 80% glock frame can be purchased without FFL paperwork and turned into pistol using dremel. Same with AR-15 and a drill press.
https://ghostguns.com
Some of the greatest crooks and criminals gravitate to government. Legalized theft, bribes, theft of other people's money and assets. Great pay, benefits and pensions that never go away.
Why was the Security not a Federal Officer instead of contracting it out?
What has not come out is that several Special Agent/1811's were also involved in this event.
Village of Oak Lawn and Town of Alsip have tons of Illegals working at local hotels and motels, taking tons of jobs from Locals who could be employed full or part-time. This has been going on for decades and should be investigated. How many of these Illegals could be involved in illegal and nefarious activities, such as organized theft or Identity Theft Schemes ? And they know if they are caught they will just flee the country back to their foreign area homes, without arrest or prosecution. Time for the next American Revolution, and a giant broom sweep of all criminals, and illegal criminals. The Time is Now. Corruption and Crime are rampant in Hellinois, especially Crookagoland/Crook County, the most corrupt in the US.. Time for a Fed Army to hit this State like a ton of bricks, and clean it up.
This reminds me of that story arc on "The Wire" when Dozerman's gun was taken after he was shot, and Bunk Moreland was assigned to find it, or as one of his superiors put it, to "bring the gun home".
Maybe ATF can find a way to roll this whole mess into the Fast and Furious debacle and pawn it all off on Obama and Holder.
"According to the report, a contract security guard at the facility has been stealing federal property..."
Well, keep outsourcing, motherfuckers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes, this is another good reason why we have to put the Federal government in charge of our health care. They do such a fantastic job at every task given them.
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If you read carefully you'd notice that the problem came from part they privatized. Which, coincidentally, is exactly what's wrong with Obamacare.
When I worked at a government agency we had an Armorer that would deliver our guns to the range, wait there all day, then return the with guns to the Armory at the end of the day. He never brought the correct guns, not one time, although he was given a list by serial number at least two weeks in advance. I'm talking about 10 M4s, 10 pistols. Not a whole lot. After three years of this, the big boss came out to the range to shoot and watch training. The Armorer forgot to bring the bosses gun the only time he came to the range. The Boss went nuts and complained to higher. How does the government fix this debacle? Well, the Armorer's supervisor would have to load the guns with him and go to the range and sit there all day as well. She was making 100k+. the Armorer was making about 60k. That, is how taxes are spent at Federal level. Never fire the incompetent, just add more, higher paid, incompetent people. They still forgot to bring the right guns.
Interest I pay is a penalty
Interest I earn is a reward
Sounds like they had a $20/HR mall cop
Watching $250K of weapons
Reminds me of the Miami Vice episode where the drug
kingpin calls Sonny Socket a "lousy $200/wk cop."
Cash is King.
Cash talks, bullshit walks.
Why do these weapons need to be destroyed????
Have they even solved all the guns stolen from Chicago rail yards???
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a Federal Agency.
Feds hire contract workers or agency workers to save $.
Boosts the bosses evaluation bonus.
Penny wise, Glock foolish.
Would have made a lot more sense to sell these guns to law abiding Americans.
Cops go to a LOT of trouble trying to take guns off the street and risk their lives prying them away from felons. Citizens jump through many hoops: FOID, waiting period, background check, NCIS, etc to legally buy guns.
The ONE Federal Agency that really should understand guns seems to be leaking them on the streets with no paper trail almost like they want them to be misused by violent criminals. One nobody security guard is the scapegoat, not a single Agent catches heat for this major, major breach in the chain of custody. Where else can you screw up this bad and not get canned or go to prison?
It's almost as if they want to accelerate gun problems so they have an excuse to confiscate them. Every Communist regime has confiscated weapons.
When I was working in 007, i just parked my car in the lot late at night . I noticed a small duffel type bag on the ground next to what obviously was a law enforcement sedan. I looked inside and there was a radio, two handguns and a fully automatic short barreled rifle along with a dozen or more magazines. I picked it up and walked into the station. At the desk where three ATF agents. It was their bag and they forgot about it. It makes you wonder about what these guys are thinking. I have known some ATF in the past and worked with some and I thought them to be great guys and very good at what they do.
Yup.
Decades ago workin ghetto tact, 2 ATF Agents were assigned to ride along with us. A few hours into our tour, we came upon numerous Latin Kings engaged in a skermish of sorts in the middle of a side street we were driving down. We all hopped out and detained about 10 of them for the usual razz-matazz. ATF boys searched a few of them, myself and a partner searched a few. In the process of the usual name checks , contact cards, and field interviews, myself and partner got suspicious of a couple of the detainees and decided to re-search the LK's the ATF boys searched previously. Sure enough, a .44 Bulldog revolver was found in the waistband of one of the LK's we re-searched. Not saying ATF guys are NFG, but these guys just come from lackluster federal training and many do not grasp the whole concept of ghetto policing. They had cool fed toys, night vision scopes and the most modern handguns, but are naieve when it comes to this shit. Apparently they have not changed much in several decades. So just be careful and do not assume anything. Most are good people, but anyone can make mistakes, even the almighty Fed Agents.
gangs will now allow illegals to store guns because they are off limits in chicago
sell guns , drugs , no license needed for street vendors , why because lori refuses to arrest illegals for any crimes
she rather arrest , fine those that have licensed food trucks and carry a sidearm with a CCW
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